Model Railroading 101 Steam Locomotives Engines For Beginners
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Welcome back to class! In this episode of MR101 we take a look at steam locomotives. We discuss some information about how they work, and there is also a fairly detailed look at several types of locomotives - even tank engines and geared locos.
Find out what makes them move, how to tell what you are looking at, why a tank engine does not need a tender, and why a tender is called a tender instead of something else.
A great primer for beginners, and a great reminder for someone with a little more experience. You might learn something new that you didn't already know!
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“A Big Boy looks silly on a small layout with three cars behind it.”
Literally just described my layout 😂
Hey, I don’t have a lot of space in my house, and it’s one of my favorite locomotives, so go easy on me! Lol ;)
Rule #1 always applies!
I knew all this, but wanted to hear it from someone else for grins.
You did an EXCELLENT job. Easy to understand, entertaining yet straightforward, the kind of video I'll want my grandson to watch in a few years when he starts playing with trains.
No pretense, just quality programming. I'm a cranky old English major, and y'all sounded highly credible and communicative.
I watched all the 101 videos but this has to be my favorite so far.. I'm not even planning on doing steam on my layout but this was so informative in general I feel smarter for just watching it! Great job guys!
Thanks much for checking it out David! If you know anyone who might also like it, please feel free to share it in your circles!
“Most of the time the tender will carry more water than fuel”
*The New York Central has entered the chat*
This comment is too true
My great grandad worked as a fireman for the norfolk western and I belive he worked on the y class(the mallet you were talking about) he also worked on the j class. He worked till he couldn't and was released from the railroad
Hey I what was his name I might know him
I’m from around this area
I'm more of an experienced modeler. I've got several Mantua Pacific's and other engines with the open frame (Pittman) motors and I found out that replacing the magnets with neodymium (rare earth) magnets makes a HUGE difference in current draw and now they will "creep" around the tracks like you guys' DCC speed step 1. I don't do DCC because I hate the tinny sound of HO DCC. Only DC for me. I just recently got my first brass diesel, a Hallmark Fairbanks-Morse H12-44 in the Central of Georgia Railway Company livery. I used to live in Jonesboro, GA, so I model the Central of Georgia. I got a bunch of HO scale trains for Christmas this year, all in the Central of Georgia livery. Cheers from an ex-Georgian in eastern TN
How do you know which 'model' magnet to get for a repair or swap such as that?do you somehow find the motors part number and then what factory it was made in, its component part numbers etc? I would like to do what you suggest but it seems impossible.
My mom worked for southern pacific in San Francisco for like 35 years or so. She took Caltrain back and forth every day, she was on a Caltrain during the 1989 earthquake on her way home from work. The train set I had when I was a kid was an SP train set she got from her work, mighta even been some special edition for all I know, this was back in the early 80s, I wish I woulda appreciated that train set and still had it...
Although I’m a longtime model railroader, I truly enjoy tutorials such as this one, as I’m always learning something new. I own at least one example of every steam loco featured here, but I enjoy operating a 4-4-2 Atlantic pulling matched passenger coaches the best.
Terrific video, keep up the fine work! 🚂
Cool, thanks!
@9:13 I didn't think I was going to learn anything from this video...I know what a Tank Engine is, but holy hell! You actually just helped me connect the dots on why he's called Thomas the Tank Engine! 🤯
Always glad to help.
That was really good a advise on how to choose Steam locomotives for a layout. I think a good a steam locomotive for most layouts is a 4-8-4 Northern. They are both good for Passenger and Freight trains.
For my first steam locomotive, I got a Union Pacific 4-8-8-4 Big Boy for my birthday and I love it!!!!!!! I recently also got some cars for him to run.
Even though i've been in the hobby for a while, these are an absolute joy to watch. Great videos!
John is behind the camera but asks great questions that would’ve otherwise left viewers, and helps lighten up the atmosphere. Great video, very informative!
Finally a comment from someone who understands the format! Thanks!
@@tsgmultimedia there was a typo, I wanted to say " that would've left the viewers confused". no problem, love the channel, have have seen all the new formats by John, who has now gone in front of the camera! Continue the good work! Saved me a lot of research on the basics.. I can now concentrate on the difficult, finding N scale rolling stock/passenger cars for the steam era! :P
Thanks for creating this video. I inherited several HO Steam trains from my dad and this gave me insight how they were used in real like !!
Been in the hobby for quite a while. I don't really model steam or have any, but still find these 101 videos very enjoyable. Thanks!
I’m on my sixth layout, I just purchased my first home and have a 11” x 12 foot shelf fishing dock layout that’s a proto-freelance, my first go at steamers and the early 1900’s rather than the 80’s-present I’ve always done. I’ll be also building several block sections that the trains will go from one to the other by a barge so each section in a way has off set staging.
Great tutorial of steams engine.
I bought a Broadway Limited, USRA Light Pacific 4-6-2 for Canadian National Railways, to cover the end of the steamed days in Quebec, east of Montreal.
It has great articulations on the trucks allowing to go on 18 inches curves. I discovered that Broadway Llimited is making almost all of its steam fits 18 inches curves! Even the Big Boy. It is a factor to consider before buying.
Thank you again for all the information you are providing us.
Excellent info, thanks for watching!
I've been running a Mikado as my general purpose. It's big enough I can haul lots of freight and blend in with the massive engines and layout at my club, but small enough I can run it on my tiny, problem laden layout at home. It's also fast enough that I can pull passenger with it, although I generally leave that to a pair of E units.
Good video!
Thanks for putting this video together, there was a lot I learned from it.
Awesome, learned a ton about Locomotives watching this video!
Getting back into trains for this holiday season, glad this video popped up!
Ever since I was a little kid, my favorite has always been the 2-8-0 Consolidations. I just think they look the sharpest in terms of proportions.
Thanks for the cool video series. I'm enjoying it a lot!
One my favorites is the Western Maryland Consolidation (number 734)
Wonderful collection of steam! I have the life goal of expanding my steam fleet and having as many examples of different steam engine wheel configurations like you do! I have some of those same models you showed but continue looking for more! Surprisingly I have a lot of the bigger ones already and need more small engines! I have a 4-4-0, Shay, and Heisler but the next smallest one is a 2-8-4 or 4-8-2. Looking at someday getting a 4-6-0, 4-6-2, and 2-6-0 as well.
We never see any "DMIR Yellowstone" 2-8-8-2 articulated steam models. The Duluth Railroad Museum has one on display. It was only used for pulling ore cars from the Iron Range to the Duluth docks. It is a huge steam engine.
Great video! It's just what I was looking for in terms of an introduction to trains. :D
Thanks! Please share it with anyone else who might benefit from it!
This is a terrific video chocked full of info. Thank you!!
On the Pennsylvania RR, the 4-6-2 "Pacific" was called a K4. They were probably the most versatile and prolific locomotive PRR had during the Golden Age. They were built in Altoona.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge. Another great video.
Now that you've mentioned switchers, I need to get a few steam switchers in the Central of Georgia livery or ones that I can repaint and decal for the Central of Georgia. I'll have to look at their roster of steam engines to see what they used. Cheers - eastern TN
thanks for the steam! And especially the geared.
The Cab Forward is an interesting explanation. I never knew that before. Thanks. BTW UP was in Beast Mode lol.
UP always had a go big or go home attitude for sure!
I really enjoy the smaller engines way more then the larger ones. It’s mostly cause that’s what I model and have seen in museums, but there’s something so charming about them as well.
This is good information! i would suggest for small layouts, it you really want an articulated locomotive, would be getting a 2-6-6-2 Logging locomotive. Mantua made these for years and can be purchased/updated to DCC with sound too. The prototype and the models were designed to turn around really tight radius curves.
great tips about the Steams loco Dan and John, i enjoyed the video
This was super informative, I learned much about the purpose builds of steam locos.
that's good! however, a small side note, it's called a *LOCOMOTIVE* actually, and not an engine. technically, engines are what power a vehicle, like the engine in a car, semi-truck, or here, a locomotive.
Great video. Loved the discussion style presentation.
And the music. Rock On!
Great Videos guys. Very informative.
Nice video this will help me pick out some steam locomotives for my fictitious California Pacific -cheers Allan
Very well done guys, thanks
I know i m way late but, i really like the banter in these video. Great job and still really interesting!
Thanks, Laurence. It was done that way intentionally so that someone would be asking the questions that viewers might be thinking of while watching. It was fun to do, too.
At 31:21 the "Shay"(?) is just 5 minutes south of me at the Railroad Park! I was so excited to see that in this!
The biggest VR (Victorian Railways) locomotive is a 4-8-4 "H" Class #220 known as "Heavy Harry", only one of 3 actually completed at Newport workshops during WW2
Another great video!
Logging steam engines are my absolute favorite!
There's something about the geared locomitives!
Very good video for all beginners
Thank you for watching!
In the UK the steam locos don't have head lights as the have removable headlamps instead. Headlamps could be put on a locomotive at various places on the front of the locomotive and various combinations meant different things (e.g. express passenger, express goods, etc). But if any preserved locomotive wants to run on the mainline today, they must have a high intensity headlamp, that often looks like an older style oil burning headlamp, mounted to the front of the loco. Hope this helps.
The comment that the UK engines don`t have headlights is a misconception the headlamps were just located in a different location than American units. The headlamp was usually located on the pilot much closer to the tracks. Also UK trains do not have bells and rely on the whistle as a warning device.
I just like the character of steam locomotives.
Big Wheels + Big Boiler = Heavy Passenger
Big Wheels + Small Boiler = Light Passenger
Small Wheels + Small Boiler = Light Freight
Small Wheels + Big Boiler = Heavy Freight
20:15 ". . .and hopefully will run again." man, that hit hard. i kinda teared up at that. for those that don't know, Union Pacific officially retired 3985 due to it's extremely poor condition combined with the 4014 Big Boy being restored(based on their wanting to keep a maximum of two steamers in operation), but in my opinion, it's a missed opportunity. I mean, it would've been SO cool to see those two behemoths double-heading, or running side by side, their drivers pounding the rails, thick, dark smoke blasting out of the stacks. anyhow, Rest In Peace 3985, you kept going for quite a while, now, it's time for you to rest. . .
NOW ITS TIME TO WAKE IT UP AND SHIP IT OUT EAST NEXT YEAR
@@Burlington_Route Yeah, and maybe California and Oregon?
Most Excellent Video Thank You!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What brand is your Texas Class model and is it a current one?
I have one, but it's a rather old Bachmann. I also notice that the one you were showing has three axle trucks, while the one I have is a Centipede. Mine also has very little water storage and a massive coal bunker. I technically should be using a water tender with it...
Am looking to replace my old one with a newer model if available. Haven't seen them yet.
Very interesting....thank you
Very West Coast oriented. I live in Pennsylvania, so the most common steamers that I remember were the 4-6-2 K4 (Pacific), and the 2-8-2 I2 (Mikado) on the Pennsy, and 4-6-4 J3 (Hudson) on the NY Central.
Great. Learning so much. Wish these sessions were twice a week...or more often!
Thanks for watching!
Nice show
Man, I have learned a lot from you two! So, from a layout perspective, when would you pull these out and run them? Would you normally just display them in a cabinet when not in use, and only show them running when someone asked about it? How do you normally store these when not in use?
Dan generally stores his stuff in the boxes they came in, as he does not have a large enough layout to keep them out and ready to go. Once he has a layout big enough to keep stuff on the track, that's probably where most of his equipment that he likes to run will reside.
Hello, I am now back again into Model Railroading and really appreciate your vlogs. You guys do really good stuff for the newbies or the back to hobby people. But if I might make an observation, due to your locale and livery preferences, you leave out some of U.S. locomotives eastern of the Mississippi for modelers. Point of case, in your excellent steam episode #6 you failed or did not even mention the grand 2-8-4 Berkshire. A true monster and workhorse of a steam locomotive. One of which played just as an important role in the eastern United States as the "Big" steamers did crossing the mountains of the west. On a second note, Your Diesel episode #7 you spent more than a greater half of the video about little of the great locomotives of that era. I understand and realize that is not your "era" but that era was dynamic and very prolific. I realize I am older now, and like cars most locos all look the same. But it was that way back through the 50's to mid/ maybe late 70's early 80's. I would enjoy seeing more about the Gen 1 and 2 locomotives if you have the time and share the passion. Thank you very much and keep up the good work.
This I'd very cool and educational video thank you for post quite useful
Glad it was helpful!
Mystery Train Theater 3000 - informative, thanks.
10:23 Thomas was a cheeky little engine.
Thanks guy's
Really enjoy these videos...thank you for making them! I'm new to the hobby and am from Florida, but I don't really see a lot of availability of our railroad here (Florida East Coast Railroad.). What would you say is a good N scale railroad if I like variety! Southern pacific?
It's always best to pick something you have genuine interest in. SP has a ton of history attached to it so if you like to do research it could be an excellent choice.
thank you very informative about real trains, let alone models, something i havent seen since i was a child, an electric steam train with real smoke from its funnel, about a foot long and about 7 or 8 inches high, with wide metal, track not hornby, it also had rolling stock and coaches, unfortunately my older brother sold it, otherwise i would still have it now, have never seen the like nowadays, their all small in comparison
16:20 Nice Prairie. Was this the one you want to do up as Santa Fe 1010 from the Scott Special? What primers/paints/procedures would you recommend for brass? I've done a few plastic models, but brass seems like a different world. Thanks!
I'm pretty sure the painting process is pretty much the same for brass as it is for plastic. Primer then very thin coats of the "real" color until it looks good. I'll check with Dan and if I find out any different, I'll tell him there's a question waiting for his attention on here. Thanks for watching!
A little late to comment (getting caught up on all your videos.....and they are great BTW)but I found this episode very very informative ,I learned quite a bit.I will probably need to get a nice steam loco for my layout which is N scale ,but still in the construction phase.Since my layout is completely freelanced and I will have locos from the `40s to the present ,I guess it wont matter if I run a steamer lol.Besides ,it is my own little world and anything goes !
That's the #1 rule of model railroading. It's your layout, you can do what you like to do to have fun. The #2 rule is: if anyone disagrees, refer to rule #1.
You forgot the Triplex - used on the ERIE RR, and [I think... off-hand... by the Norfolk and Western (2-8-8-8-4 However)]. Both locomotives the "successful" but flopped because they were too job specific and other issues that severely plagued their design. Great video!
If I remember correctly, one of the issued was not having enough steam power to the third pony truck, right?
It was the Virginian, not N&W that also had the triplex and I think they may have had only one. The triplex had two major problems; anything above 15 mph (I could be wrong on that number) it quickly ran out of steam and when the tender's fuel/water were used up they would loose tractive effort because the weight on the third engine was going down. Their last days they were only used in very slow pusher service.
Very good videos...I learned a lot from these...,keep good work up .....I have 2 questions which is I cannot keep train on tracks....can you do info on how to setup and make sure tracks are secure and how to to setup tracks securely....thank you
I'm very familiar with tank engines thank you very much( because of Thomas)
No info on the Virginia & Truckee Baldwins? 🤔 I looked through all the comments even. I learned a lot regardless, nice video. For any railfans, I actually knew the family who published Extra 2200 South magazine.
i am just looking into model R/R hoping to start it someday. When i was a kid i was quite a war monger and used to notice pictures of R/R carrying military equipment. now after reading and watching several documentaries i notice most of those specialized cars were used in places like Nazi Germany more than the US. One interesting example was the cannon they called Big Bertha. I remember as a kid seeing model railroad cars with missile launchers on them. after serving in the military for several years and learning military strategy i realize how impractical such a specialized car would be from a tactical point of view. At an old age i am no longer such a war monger and also have a little more sense than i did as a child.
I have a model (in HO scale) of one of the big German rail-mounted guns (but it wasn't the biggest they used). The Germans used them in both World Wars, Google the name "Anzio Annie".
As a newb this was so informative, thank you. I just wish you had said what models they were. What was the first model you were using please? It looke rwallt well made.
there are a lot other minor wheel arrangements out there, but one major wheel arrangement I think you shouldn't have skipped was the 2-10-2 Santa Fe.
I am looking at starting a small N gauge layout. 4x2 any suggestions on an engine or starter set that might be reliable?
Guys, this is like taking a course in railroading! VERY informational and VERY well presented! Kudos to you both for teaching us model railroading! What about cog railway steam engines? How do they differ? Thanks!
You're most welcome! You may also enjoy the "Model Railroading with Jack Burgess" series on this channel.
Does Walt Disney love all trains and locomotives?
I could not imagine MRR without steam.
18:30 I wish I had one of those, unfortunately they discontinued in 2016.
What brand is that? Athearn?
Curious, why are the drive wheels weighted on one side? How does this not throw off the balance? At first I thought it was a counter weight for the rods and mounting hardware but the rods don't seems to be mounted opposite the weighted half.
And for further confusion, the SP 4449 and, I am told at the engine house, other SP steam locos had the rear axle on the trailing truck powered. I saw the system on the 4449 in the engine house and asked a volunteer about it. So the trailing truck has a driver of sorts although it isn't counted as a driver in the Whyte system.
Thank you for watching!
Julie AV - The Espee was really good at breaking conventions..... and even rules occasionally!!! :-P
Its called a booster. Example, the NYC J3A Hudson's had issues wheel slipping starting trains, so the booster would be activated until the train reached speed and then is deactivated.
"Biggest steam engine made"
ATSF 2-10-10-2 has entered the chat
Fun!
I love the 844 model. Is it the excursion version, or no? If it is the excursion 844, there'd probably be a version as 8444.
Who manufactured that first 2-6-0 sp steamer? I want that exact one
When you came up to the articulated engines like Big Boy, I thought of another type of articulated engine that might be interesting to look at - the Garratts.
Such as the 4-8-2+2-8-4 3ft 6 gauge Australian Standard Garratt that ran in Queensland, Tasmania, Western Australia & South Australia in the 1940's & 1950's here.
Garratts are super cool. I have seen some HD video of Garratts in Africa (can't remember which country the video was taken in) and they looked and sounded really neat. It's too bad we can't see one in North America!
Pure Ecstasy
the Willamette is NOT a Shay. the Willamette is actually a better and improved design of the Shay. I am actually helping restore a Willamette to operation. so when it is operational we will have two represting engines in that class. nice video by the way.
Thanks for watching!
The captain (Conductor) is in the caboose.
How about an episode about coal trains? I grew up in a coal mining area of western Pennsylvania. Both for mines and for strip mining.
Thanks for watching!
Bruh he asked if you guys can do a vid on coal trains
Bruuuh
I love steam engines and I’d love to have one on my layout but I don’t know if it would look that good
There's also the 2-8-8-8-2 Triplex engines used by the Erie RR and the Virginian Railroad.
They were also the biggest steam flop. Frequently ran out of steam, and never moved faster than walking pace.
@@jomama05 becauss the boilers were way to small for an engine of that type.
No Berkshire? Enjoy your videos
I have a Lionel 671, which is a 6-8-6 steam turbine locomotive. I thought it was a cheap model, without a steam box and rods, but there were no rods on this locomotive. Is this worthy of mention?
Dan, in this MR 101 episode on steam locomotives, you mentioned that not all railroads called their 4-8-4s "Northerns". Do you what Union Pacific originally called them in the 1940s and 1950s before some were restored and renamed "FEFs" in UP's present-day Heritage Fleet? -from Tom Pilling
The 4-8-4 wheel arrangement can be called "Northern", "Confederation'', the NY Central called theirs "Pokeno's", another name used was "Niagara" but that was more a type of steam loco (on the NY Central Railroad) rather than a wheel arrangement. The FEF is also a particular type of loco, FEF stands for Four Eight Four.
What is the reddish stuff on the brass model at 17:50?
Reflections
Have you done a video about any of the other Nevada mining short lines?
Search this channel for V&T and NNRy.
FUN FACT: Norfolk Southern's steam turbine locomotive was actually bigger than the Big Boy, but had less horsepower.
Thatguyontheinternet really?
NS didn't have steam turbines.
youre right, it was norfolk and western.
Did I see the Up 844. How much dose it cost to buy it.
Has anybody found similar to this for British stream? Really good video even though i don't do US modelling.
That sp 4-8-2 looks like the gs4 daylight or war baby
We have the same southern pacific 2-6-0 in livesteam 1.5” scale but ours is number 1814 15:08
See we don't call our 2-10-4's Texas here we call them Selkirk, and they cannot opperate west of Revelstoke BC. due to the massive weight