After all these yearsssssss, we have to wait this long. Honda just found that drawer of leftover cocaine from the 80s, and we love it! Finally Honda being, THE Honda!
What? You mean being as stupid as they can be when it comes to performance (anyone with common sense knows that FWD and unbalanced engines, and the I3 is unbalanced, don't belong in performance applications). Gimmick.
But still a cornlog compared to the I4 and V4 engines, of which if you had any engine knowledge, would know they not only vibrate less and are more balanced, the space you would put an I3 in, an I4 will fit in as well.
Or something a bit lighter, like a VFR600. Honda did sell a VF400 and a VFR750, but the 400 has disappeared and the 750 has grown and grown, so I'd say there's room for a smaller capacity V4. And as the 600's still seem to have a market, a V4 600 could be a huge hit.
you do know the F in VFR stands for Four cos it has four cylinders? so it would be a VTR for Three but that is the two cylinder literbike version we already got.
Best part of a V3 engine is it is a narrower engine. Mostly it’s the rear cylinder so the bike has a narrow waist like V-twin for the rider to tuck in. The NSR 400 was a V3 back in the day and that was the theory behind it. Plus the firing order of a three make it torquey like the triumphs and Yamaha R1. This is great news. Hope they (Honda) makes it. And I also hope they paint it like the old RC30 with a single sided swing arm
Whatever you do with this, Honda, please put emphasis on reducing weight. I’m not looking for a super powered, porky bike. Make it lightweight, with good handling, and you’ll get my attention.. even with a smaller capacity engine.
An electrically driven blower makes a lot of sense. It removes a lot of complexity and a lot of potential points of failure, and there’ll be no turbo lag. It’s an interesting concept even though it’s likely to be the final throw of the dice for combustion engines in bikes. I bet it’ll sound the tats
Let’s hope when it comes out, it’s sporty, light and has HRC on the side 👍🏻. When the 900 Fireblade came out it was a game changer. Hopefully this could be the same 🤔.
Sounds awesome. I always wished they had built a v5 that sounded like the rc211v. That would be the ultimate for me. But I’m excited to see what this sounds like
@@dibnah46 Must be, and that model year was therefore a special one. While the pre-2006 models fired each cylinder one after another, Honda changed the firing order to a mixed big banging and long banging one (according to a Japanese website mentioned as a source on the Wikipedia page about big bang firing orders).
This Honda V3 concept is so interesting and exciting. Not only is a V3 engine very unique in the market, it's also FORCED INDUCTION with an electric charger so theoretically they can adjust the boost pressure to suit riding style/modes and support high torque as well as high power output. Looking forward to seeing what Honda put this in. I'm hoping there will be a 850-900cc naked sport bike variant of this. I expect it will be quite expensive but if it is unique/special and comes with all the garnishes (don't skimp on cruise control, Honda) then it will be worth it.
This is not a Turbo charger. It is an compressor. Exhaust driven turbos contains of compressor and turbine. In this case the compressor is electrical driven. There will be no lag since the emotor driving the compressor wheel is superfast.
honda has plenty of v4 800cc and v4 1200cc motors laying around from the retired VFRs, they just need to bring that back and revise them to get it up to par with todays power and handling figures. the 1200 was was pushing 160hp (i think)...they have all the ingredients to make killer motorcycle! VFR was already a single sided swing arm chassis. just needs and update!!! and lets be honest the VFR was always cooler than any CBR
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I am also very excited about this engine , can’t wait to see it in production.
@@Conjones37 Good choice, but as I ride to work all year that´s a bit to sporty for me. I wanted a bit more weather protection, so on my list are Tracer 9 (no V2, but good torque) or Guzzi V100 (A bit big and heavy, but Cardan). Let´s see what Honda brings up, I would like to have more sporty tourers, but i also would buy an SV 1000 in a heartbeat.
It is the motor for the 2026 Africa twin. Tenth anniversary of the current platform and makes perfect sense as the current AT is a near perfect bike except for power at only 100hp. The NT1100 will also receive this motor and due to the electric turbo it is a simple matter to decide on precise power/torque specs for any model to which Honda chooses to install it. The patents have existed since 2019 so in development for at LEAST 5 years. They'll get my money!
Pitched a denim tent when I saw this title and thumbnail. Really exciting, I’m glad to see SOMETHING that isn’t a parallel twin. I’d like to see a smaller v twin for those bikes but that’s besides the point. Honda already has the knowledge on how to make an engine like this from their v5 in the rc211v, can’t wait to see what this is about
Weve been waiting for Honda to bring us a new v4 platform since the RC30/45. The 213S great but insanely priced. NS400R v3 two stroke was sweet. Really look forward to seeing what platforms this v3 comes in
Dial a boost. Not a new idea but first on a bike? Imagine the "modes" you could have. You want it down low, spin it up. You want it up top, wait and then spin it up. You could make it like a two stroke "on the pipe". How cool is that.
I don't know if somebody wrote about this, but Honda release a V3 concept launch video (/watch?v=nkv9CGYHdik). Of course Honda did put "noise blocks" on the video on some of the parts but there is section where they're showing clip from the enging testing and there is no power but we've got 2 gauges which looks like one of them is compressor's RPM (up to 20k RPM) and the second one is probably for the engine (up to 8k RPM). Also on the same clip there is torque value which is partialy "blocked/noised" BUT the value we could definitely read about 146-147 Nm (@2740 RPM) so with this we can calculate power which is around 160-170 HP (general equation is Power = Torque x RPM) assuming that the torque curve is flat all the way to the end which should be quite correct because on another clip in the video Honda shows that torque curve is flattening on the graph. This could be interesting if the engine is on smaller side and lightweight :)
You are not alone- this is one of the most exciting things In motorcycles right now and as you say - not just another parallel twin. Really nice of honda to try something new!
An electric supercharger means that manifold pressure is independent of rpm and therefore torque and power curves can be, within reason, programmed to be whatever the tuner wants. Flat power or torque curves? Here you go sir! Really peaky 2T style power curve? Just chose ride mode 3...
wheres the power to drive this compressor coming from? to get just a few measly kw extra output on the crank, is going to require something in the region of 50kw of electrical power. and most of that will be lost as heat in the generator and motor...
@@paradiselost9946 "wheres the power to drive this compressor coming from?" From the engine, just like a conventional crank driven supercharger. The only difference here is that instead of coming straight off the crank, it comes from the alternator in the form of electricity. That does cause some losses which is why this is nowhere near as good as conventional turbos and supercharging but it is still a net gain in power with the added benefits of much smaller and better packaging over a turbo and much more control and adjustability over a supercharger. It also opens the possibility of powering it from a battery which is charged by one or more energy recovery schemes. I have no idea if Honda is doing that though.
THIS IS HUGE!! Great for meeting future emissions constraints. The supercharger means minimal valve overlap is required while still meeting horsepower goals. This also negates the need for pulse tuning in the exhaust system meaning it can be greatly simplified as can be seen by the sweeping pipes on the concept. Thank you Honda!
My first race bike was an NS400R, so the prospect of a new Honda sportsbike powered by a V-3 most assuredly gives me the fizz. I'm not a two-stroke purist, so this being a four-stroke doesn't put me off one bit. Good on them for bringing us something exciting, enticing, and above all, not another - for the love of god - parallel twin.
Wowowow, I would actually think the cylinders are 200-250cc meaning 600-750cc. The electric compressor would not add a giant amount of boost, probably well under 5lbs, but keeping pressure in the intake for optimum combustion. This will likely equal RCV levels of performance while cutting emissions drastically. A sound bite of this on a dyne would have been nice of them. So exciting!
Old Japanese bike exect was being interviewed, his "handler" stepped away and he intimated, "Honda is NASA, Yamaha is marketing, Kawasaki is rich kids racing". I forget what Suzuki was. Exhibit A: NR750/RC40
3:30 it’s not a “super”charger, maybe it’s a kinda-charger or helper-charger. Guessing 1-3psi at low rpm; as rpm climbs and the amount of air it can consume increases the boost drops as it doesn’t have the exhaust increase of a turbo or the rpm of a crank driven supercharger to increase its “max output”.
It's an electrically driven supercharger. And all it needs to keep up at higher RPMs is more power to the electric motor. It doesn't have to be driven at a constant speed all the time. It would be very easy to basically shut off at idle and ramp up as throttle is increased. You could even spin it FASTER than crankshaft speed if you wanted. In fact, I strongly suspect they will be running it significantly faster than crankshaft speeds. A blower like this will probably be spinning at at least 20k at full chooch.
i dont see the issue with a V3 bike having a single sided swingarm, gotta have something truly unique especially if it's gonna be in the 700-900cc weight class
I'm actually surprised this wasn't their first solution to emissions, they increased displacement and lowered compression first ... And made the engines last longer, if they supercharge they can give the customer something while shortening life span ( won't matter to most customers who don't keep a motorcycle to high mileage)
Planned obsolescence could be considered a massive emission in the sense that it's promoting the generation of a lot of garbage, which compounds with the need to generate even more new future garbage way sooner. So there's that. No company wants to be considered less reliable because their engines last half as long either. The solution they found was the only possible solution, even if it's not something we like or desire, and the fact that most emission standards are misdirected.
is it a pain in the ass to do maintenance on those bikes? I'd love a V4 but I'm limited on patience and skill for wrenching lol. Don't want to have to take apart a bike to do simple things with the rear cylinders
@@Incognitorider24 It's just a fun way of displaying the engine instead of just putting it on a stand by itself. This isn't a prototype for a production bike. Trying to piece anything together at this stage is pointless.
I couldnt give a toss what cc it is. It is a v3, it appears to have an electric turbo, and a single-sided swingarm. It is *different* which is exactly what the bike market needs right now.
As a VFR-addict I was hoping for a V5... Joke aside, amazing tech again, Honda is finally back. This will be my last bike. But HONDA please listen, when in doubt design wise, just hire an Italian designer bureau for the chassis. Should you fail, CF Moto or Zontes will be happy to take it from here.
Electrically driven compressors like these have been available for decades, its pretty cool that they are developing this, lets hope it gets to production, 500cc anyone??😮
@@GimmeSomeLovexD-kx9jq Reports are that this will only have about 5 pound of boost. They aren't getting 150+hp out of this thing on 5 pounds of boost, that would take either a LOT more displacement or a lot more boost.
The engine cases & heads when looked from right side profile are vaguely RC45/46-ish,I expect it being akin the the V5 with 2cylinders missing in firing order and balance( hence the 75° angle), and I hope it will have gear driven cams !
V3 just makes sense, as narrow as a inline twin but the quick spinning internals of a 3 cylinder. Will sound amazing, I love the sound of inline triples even in the budget cars, a V format will hopefully add more character. Please Honda make it and leave some engineering rawness to provide some character
As there was a picture with the triple pipe exhaust, and others with the Akra, and there's notes on the website about weight being with the race kit.... Is that kit an additional cost on top of the 35k price???
Interested to see what they go for. Maybe smaller 400-600cc displacement with the intercooler pushing it to R9 performance. Or will go the go for a 800-900 and pushing it to H2 levels of blazing.
Love the idea of a supercharged V3. Honda need another big engine VFR with the 1200F dead without a replacement for years this seems a good fit. I love my VFR1200f and would love a newer one but I don't want to go down in CC as the power from the 1200 V4 is amazing. Also stupidly been thinking about supercharging the VFR if I ever get a few grand together, I already know what small car superchargers would fit.
Loving the concept V3. No turbos on bikes due to effect on handling and weight, and the torque from the engine shaft is not enough to overcome friction and air drag at speed, not cost. Do you think 6 stroke bike engines will make an appearance
3:51 Turbos stopped simply because the turbo lag issue is still unsolvable for bikes..Kevin Cameron has wrote extensively about it when Suzuki was teasing its Recursion Turbo engine over several years in the 2010s
Smells like a modern revival of the VFR. I'm sure manufacturers could apply a similair strategy as they do to cars to bring the cubic capacity down. Image 250cc motorbikes with 150bhp.. game changer.
This I am looking forward to. Remind of an engine VW did with the V5. (Did not know about the early Honda engines). No problem producing this. Sign me up if it’s been delivered!👍
The looks, the substitute for the one missing cylinder (the electric compressor) and the displacement: Yeap, that must be a VFR successor. Pitty, it isn‘t a V4 again…
Turbos in bikes, mainly not a popular thing due to plumbing required. Also, they make good power as is efficiency laws have been more relaxed for motorbikes compared to cars in general?
I've been legal on a motorcycle since 16. I'm now 45 years old, owed many, many bikes from 125s to 1400cc 20+ motorcycles, and my favourite bike is the one I own now 2011 honda cbr1000rr the last analogue bike before all the aids took over.. I 🦆ing love it it's the best overall balanced bike I've ever riden.
this is Awesome… the concept is an exciting prospect. Lets hope Honda can make it work, in the sense of it being powerful, lightweight (ish), and potentially conforms to EU requirements. I hope it is being developed for supersports bikes
I think the reason they stopped developing turbo engines is because of the unpredictable nature of those turbo inductions. These bikes were scary to ride back in the day with those nasty turbo lags. Also I think it might be expensive to produce as well. That's just my guess.
@@paultanton4307 that’s supercharged. The turbine runs off a shaft(i think? It’s usually a belt in a car) that’s linked with the engine so you get predictable power. Turbos are so unpredictable because your bikes power depends on how much power you made a second ago. Giving the feeling of a unreliable throttle
i hope its short wheelbase cruiser. like a hybrid between adv and cruiser. like a cruiser that you can sit on like a adv bike. taller than cruiser but lower than adv. kind of like rocket 3 but shorter and with taller front and cruiser handlebars and some kind of fairing. but judging the placement of rear shock its going to be another squat rocket.
There's no turbo on motorcycles (outside from drag bikes) because the lag can be very dangerous when it kicks in in a curve for loosing traction and make a low side.
Really hope this will have hydraulic lifters so valve adjustments won't ever be an issue. Not as big of a deal when all valves are in one spot, but having to disassemble more of the motorcycle would be tedious. Honda had them in older bikes before, hopefully they'll go back to it for this platform.
Honda is finally doing what they are best are. making interesting bikes and engines. Took them a couple decades to go back to form.
Yep
Not in North America market, they remember Hiroshima and Nagasaki
@@ellwoodwolfokay
I'm not sure about bikes, but in engineering terms they've never not been in form, been a staple of excellence for decades
They are making more money than any other motorcycle manufacturer with their "boring" bikes though.
After all these yearsssssss, we have to wait this long. Honda just found that drawer of leftover cocaine from the 80s, and we love it!
Finally Honda being, THE Honda!
Hate me for it, but I think the Fireblade is the best bike out there.
@@Opie.. it is, I love my SC77
Lol - well done - nice comment
@@newtype101 hahaha. That’s very funny 👍
What? You mean being as stupid as they can be when it comes to performance (anyone with common sense knows that FWD and unbalanced engines, and the I3 is unbalanced, don't belong in performance applications). Gimmick.
Everything better than the boring parallel twins! Way to go!
But still a cornlog compared to the I4 and V4 engines, of which if you had any engine knowledge, would know they not only vibrate less and are more balanced, the space you would put an I3 in, an I4 will fit in as well.
@@VBMichael_D not as well. Hence the v3 logic.
It IS a parallel twin... with an extra jug hanging off the back.
I actually do like it though.
@@VBMichael_D They say that only children or fools should speak of things unfinished or untried. Which one are you?
Unless the parallel twin is a 270° and sounds good. Ninja 650 Honda rebel 500 both sound garbage
A new VFR850 with the single sided swingarm would be awesome
Or something a bit lighter, like a VFR600. Honda did sell a VF400 and a VFR750, but the 400 has disappeared and the 750 has grown and grown, so I'd say there's room for a smaller capacity V4. And as the 600's still seem to have a market, a V4 600 could be a huge hit.
you do know the F in VFR stands for Four cos it has four cylinders? so it would be a VTR for Three but that is the two cylinder literbike version we already got.
Everybody knows VFR stood for Very Fast Racer ...
@@AJCsr My bad. sorry XD
@@nicozimmermann8672 It's the Vee Free Racing, innit?
Best part of a V3 engine is it is a narrower engine. Mostly it’s the rear cylinder so the bike has a narrow waist like V-twin for the rider to tuck in. The NSR 400 was a V3 back in the day and that was the theory behind it. Plus the firing order of a three make it torquey like the triumphs and Yamaha R1. This is great news. Hope they (Honda) makes it. And I also hope they paint it like the old RC30 with a single sided swing arm
There were to versions of Honda's V3 2 stroke. The GP NSR 500 was a different configuration to the NSR 400 2 stroke road bike.
@@RichardASK 3 versions. The 250 had yet another configuration. Very slightly different to both the 400 and 500.
It’s not the “firing order” that determines torque, just a little autistic note 😊
@@gasdive The 250 was the same in concept as the 400, in terms of how it's balanced. EDIT: and firing intervals
@@identiticrisis yes, further research rather than relying on 40 year old memories of magazine articles, they are more similar than I thought.
I have zero passion for electric bikes. This looks great.
al got a proper casey over this and im there with him drawing swords! great news
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Whatever you do with this, Honda, please put emphasis on reducing weight. I’m not looking for a super powered, porky bike. Make it lightweight, with good handling, and you’ll get my attention.. even with a smaller capacity engine.
An electrically driven blower makes a lot of sense. It removes a lot of complexity and a lot of potential points of failure, and there’ll be no turbo lag. It’s an interesting concept even though it’s likely to be the final throw of the dice for combustion engines in bikes. I bet it’ll sound the tats
Let’s hope when it comes out, it’s sporty, light and has HRC on the side 👍🏻. When the 900 Fireblade came out it was a game changer. Hopefully this could be the same 🤔.
Sounds awesome. I always wished they had built a v5 that sounded like the rc211v. That would be the ultimate for me. But I’m excited to see what this sounds like
Which one? The pre 2006 RC211V or the mixed long- and big-bang engine (because the outer piston pairs fired each together) from 2006 on?
@@johannesk.6885 no pre 06 when Rossi rode it. The videos of the Japanese guys riding it around a car park at a demonstration is incredible
@@johannesk.6885 they must have only done that one for one season then? Didn’t it go to the rc212v in ‘07? The 800cc v4?
@@dibnah46 Must be, and that model year was therefore a special one. While the pre-2006 models fired each cylinder one after another, Honda changed the firing order to a mixed big banging and long banging one (according to a Japanese website mentioned as a source on the Wikipedia page about big bang firing orders).
This Honda V3 concept is so interesting and exciting. Not only is a V3 engine very unique in the market, it's also FORCED INDUCTION with an electric charger so theoretically they can adjust the boost pressure to suit riding style/modes and support high torque as well as high power output. Looking forward to seeing what Honda put this in. I'm hoping there will be a 850-900cc naked sport bike variant of this. I expect it will be quite expensive but if it is unique/special and comes with all the garnishes (don't skimp on cruise control, Honda) then it will be worth it.
This is not a Turbo charger. It is an compressor. Exhaust driven turbos contains of compressor and turbine. In this case the compressor is electrical driven. There will be no lag since the emotor driving the compressor wheel is superfast.
honda has plenty of v4 800cc and v4 1200cc motors laying around from the retired VFRs, they just need to bring that back and revise them to get it up to par with todays power and handling figures. the 1200 was was pushing 160hp (i think)...they have all the ingredients to make killer motorcycle! VFR was already a single sided swing arm chassis. just needs and update!!! and lets be honest the VFR was always cooler than any CBR
I am also very excited about this engine , can’t wait to see it in production.
I think this has been the most exciting announcement.
Seems like it can be used in many different bike configurations
Agreed
This could be a successor to my SV 650.
So far I haven't found anything.
@@singlucille3440😂. You must have a Labrador and white stick.
@@singlucille3440I also have an SVs. The bike that’s on my radar is just the triumph Daytona 675 or if I was rich enough then it’d be the panigale V2
@@Conjones37 Good choice, but as I ride to work all year that´s a bit to sporty for me.
I wanted a bit more weather protection, so on my list are Tracer 9 (no V2, but good torque) or Guzzi V100 (A bit big and heavy, but Cardan).
Let´s see what Honda brings up, I would like to have more sporty tourers, but i also would buy an SV 1000 in a heartbeat.
Ooh looks nice excited to see how this gets used in production street models
2:25 Honda already makes a single sided swingarm, its on the CB1000R Black
And the vfr 800
@@danielbrown6774 and the VFR800X Crossrunner. been my daily for a while
Also the Goldwing, various VFRs, RC30, RC45, NR750, various RS250's, various NSR250's, RVF400, NSR500 (VTwin) and more
It like they have no knowledge of motorcycle lol
In the current lineup they don't make it on any except the Goldwing. On the sportsbikes there is none.
It is the motor for the 2026 Africa twin. Tenth anniversary of the current platform and makes perfect sense as the current AT is a near perfect bike except for power at only 100hp. The NT1100 will also receive this motor and due to the electric turbo it is a simple matter to decide on precise power/torque specs for any model to which Honda chooses to install it. The patents have existed since 2019 so in development for at LEAST 5 years. They'll get my money!
Pitched a denim tent when I saw this title and thumbnail. Really exciting, I’m glad to see SOMETHING that isn’t a parallel twin. I’d like to see a smaller v twin for those bikes but that’s besides the point. Honda already has the knowledge on how to make an engine like this from their v5 in the rc211v, can’t wait to see what this is about
The last time Honda built a triple that I remember was the ns400r. A proper 2 stroke weapon
Weve been waiting for Honda to bring us a new v4 platform since the RC30/45. The 213S great but insanely priced. NS400R v3 two stroke was sweet. Really look forward to seeing what platforms this v3 comes in
A great step in the right direction to my far fetched dream of a production Honda V5
Dial a boost. Not a new idea but first on a bike? Imagine the "modes" you could have. You want it down low, spin it up. You want it up top, wait and then spin it up. You could make it like a two stroke "on the pipe". How cool is that.
I don't know if somebody wrote about this, but Honda release a V3 concept launch video (/watch?v=nkv9CGYHdik).
Of course Honda did put "noise blocks" on the video on some of the parts but there is section where they're showing clip from the enging testing and there is no power but we've got 2 gauges which looks like one of them is compressor's RPM (up to 20k RPM) and the second one is probably for the engine (up to 8k RPM). Also on the same clip there is torque value which is partialy "blocked/noised" BUT the value we could definitely read about 146-147 Nm (@2740 RPM) so with this we can calculate power which is around 160-170 HP (general equation is Power = Torque x RPM) assuming that the torque curve is flat all the way to the end which should be quite correct because on another clip in the video Honda shows that torque curve is flattening on the graph.
This could be interesting if the engine is on smaller side and lightweight :)
Im a 636 guy that was looking into an R9 but now Im back to waiting. Hope they release more information soon.
You are not alone- this is one of the most exciting things In motorcycles right now and as you say - not just another parallel twin. Really nice of honda to try something new!
An electric supercharger means that manifold pressure is independent of rpm and therefore torque and power curves can be, within reason, programmed to be whatever the tuner wants. Flat power or torque curves? Here you go sir! Really peaky 2T style power curve? Just chose ride mode 3...
wheres the power to drive this compressor coming from?
to get just a few measly kw extra output on the crank, is going to require something in the region of 50kw of electrical power. and most of that will be lost as heat in the generator and motor...
@@paradiselost9946 What they call a 'compressor' is actually a hair dryer, but without heating the air. Powered by electrickery.
@@paradiselost9946 "wheres the power to drive this compressor coming from?" From the engine, just like a conventional crank driven supercharger. The only difference here is that instead of coming straight off the crank, it comes from the alternator in the form of electricity. That does cause some losses which is why this is nowhere near as good as conventional turbos and supercharging but it is still a net gain in power with the added benefits of much smaller and better packaging over a turbo and much more control and adjustability over a supercharger. It also opens the possibility of powering it from a battery which is charged by one or more energy recovery schemes. I have no idea if Honda is doing that though.
THIS IS HUGE!! Great for meeting future emissions constraints. The supercharger means minimal valve overlap is required while still meeting horsepower goals. This also negates the need for pulse tuning in the exhaust system meaning it can be greatly simplified as can be seen by the sweeping pipes on the concept. Thank you Honda!
U just made all that up
@@RideBreakFix Obviously you are not a mechanical engineer nor do you have any idea as to how an engine actually functions. Thanks for playing.
@@rafaellastracom6411 neither do you with that ridiculous comment. More like a false information engineer
@@RideBreakFix B.S.M.E. Lafayette College 1995. Like I said, thanks for playing.
@@rafaellastracom6411 no engineering is the same since 1995. Maybe if this bike had a steam engine. Time to go back to school
My first race bike was an NS400R, so the prospect of a new Honda sportsbike powered by a V-3 most assuredly gives me the fizz. I'm not a two-stroke purist, so this being a four-stroke doesn't put me off one bit. Good on them for bringing us something exciting, enticing, and above all, not another - for the love of god - parallel twin.
Going to be loud with those exhausts!
Loud pipes save lives. PARDON?
Zero chance of those making it into a production bike..
I want to believe that this is what will drive a resurrected VFR - Honda needs a sport tourer back in the line-up !!
Wowowow, I would actually think the cylinders are 200-250cc meaning 600-750cc. The electric compressor would not add a giant amount of boost, probably well under 5lbs, but keeping pressure in the intake for optimum combustion. This will likely equal RCV levels of performance while cutting emissions drastically. A sound bite of this on a dyne would have been nice of them. So exciting!
The "My favorite Honda" bit was amazing
Old Japanese bike exect was being interviewed, his "handler" stepped away and he intimated, "Honda is NASA, Yamaha is marketing, Kawasaki is rich kids racing". I forget what Suzuki was. Exhibit A: NR750/RC40
3:30 it’s not a “super”charger, maybe it’s a kinda-charger or helper-charger. Guessing 1-3psi at low rpm; as rpm climbs and the amount of air it can consume increases the boost drops as it doesn’t have the exhaust increase of a turbo or the rpm of a crank driven supercharger to increase its “max output”.
It's an electrically driven supercharger. And all it needs to keep up at higher RPMs is more power to the electric motor. It doesn't have to be driven at a constant speed all the time. It would be very easy to basically shut off at idle and ramp up as throttle is increased. You could even spin it FASTER than crankshaft speed if you wanted. In fact, I strongly suspect they will be running it significantly faster than crankshaft speeds. A blower like this will probably be spinning at at least 20k at full chooch.
i dont see the issue with a V3 bike having a single sided swingarm, gotta have something truly unique especially if it's gonna be in the 700-900cc weight class
I'm actually surprised this wasn't their first solution to emissions, they increased displacement and lowered compression first ... And made the engines last longer, if they supercharge they can give the customer something while shortening life span ( won't matter to most customers who don't keep a motorcycle to high mileage)
Planned obsolescence could be considered a massive emission in the sense that it's promoting the generation of a lot of garbage, which compounds with the need to generate even more new future garbage way sooner. So there's that. No company wants to be considered less reliable because their engines last half as long either. The solution they found was the only possible solution, even if it's not something we like or desire, and the fact that most emission standards are misdirected.
You know its gonna sound amazing! Triple's already do but a V triple? yes please!
Talking of V4s, you can't beat the smell and sound of a V4 twostoke.
I Have a blast on my RZ500 most weekends👍
Great Vlogs keep them coming
Turbo lag in corners isn't very cool and a turbo needs more space, adds weight, more complexity etc.
excuse me, my VFR1200 is single swing arm.
and my VFR800X. and the VFR800 line. lol
The current lineup does not have singe swing arms except for the Goldwing, how hard is it to understand what they are meaning?
is it a pain in the ass to do maintenance on those bikes? I'd love a V4 but I'm limited on patience and skill for wrenching lol. Don't want to have to take apart a bike to do simple things with the rear cylinders
@@Jon-nz3dm like most modern bikes - yes engine work is tricky. big part due to all the other bits you have to take off.
@@Jon-nz3dmI have a NC30, and yeah it gets quite fiddly on the rear 😮.
Triple threat, 2 in the pink, 1 in the stink.
The fist is getting popular
This looks amazing. Not just the v3 but pressurising the intake, what a great idea!
Just have to put it in a great package now.
It’s a new RVF 750 or VFR 400, single sided swing arm is the clue
Look at the rear tire size. 200 width. That’s cbr 1000rrr-sp territory. This is going to be a super bike going toe-to-toe with the Ducati V4.
The vfr 750 is a 4 cylinder
I see it being a Diavel rival
@@Incognitorider24 It's just a fun way of displaying the engine instead of just putting it on a stand by itself. This isn't a prototype for a production bike. Trying to piece anything together at this stage is pointless.
@@Incognitorider24The old RC36/1 had also an around 200 sized tire on the back and only 101 hp.
You guys are hilarious 😂 Cannot wait to see more about this V3.
I couldnt give a toss what cc it is. It is a v3, it appears to have an electric turbo, and a single-sided swingarm. It is *different* which is exactly what the bike market needs right now.
900 cc !
As a VFR-addict I was hoping for a V5... Joke aside, amazing tech again, Honda is finally back. This will be my last bike. But HONDA please listen, when in doubt design wise, just hire an Italian designer bureau for the chassis. Should you fail, CF Moto or Zontes will be happy to take it from here.
Super cool concept, interesting to see what they do with this.
Finally I have cracked a smile over a modern bike idea :)
Honda's gotta make more RCs. I hope this is the engine for the CBR600RR replacement
More like Fireblade
Of we are talking about 3 cylinder, any options on the cfmoto 675 ?
the Honda Shocker
And their back in the room 👊
Electrically driven compressors like these have been available for decades, its pretty cool that they are developing this, lets hope it gets to production, 500cc anyone??😮
Mmm a 500cc v3 would make me cream my pants. I can only pray that this won’t be another 150hp+ machine that I’ll never consider
@@GimmeSomeLovexD-kx9jq Reports are that this will only have about 5 pound of boost. They aren't getting 150+hp out of this thing on 5 pounds of boost, that would take either a LOT more displacement or a lot more boost.
The engine cases & heads when looked from right side profile are vaguely RC45/46-ish,I expect it being akin the the V5 with 2cylinders missing in firing order and balance( hence the 75° angle), and I hope it will have gear driven cams !
I agree, great to see something interesting coming along other than another parallel twin. Looking forward to see what this ends up in...
V3 just makes sense, as narrow as a inline twin but the quick spinning internals of a 3 cylinder.
Will sound amazing, I love the sound of inline triples even in the budget cars, a V format will hopefully add more character.
Please Honda make it and leave some engineering rawness to provide some character
A V3 engine sounds saucy ❤
Gutted I'm not going to eicma. But, hopefully getting to motorcycle live.
It's good to see Honda with new ideas
Honda V3 race series?! Yes please!!!
As there was a picture with the triple pipe exhaust, and others with the Akra, and there's notes on the website about weight being with the race kit....
Is that kit an additional cost on top of the 35k price???
With that single-sided swing arm, it could also preview a new VFR ?
Interested to see what they go for. Maybe smaller 400-600cc displacement with the intercooler pushing it to R9 performance. Or will go the go for a 800-900 and pushing it to H2 levels of blazing.
Love the idea of a supercharged V3. Honda need another big engine VFR with the 1200F dead without a replacement for years this seems a good fit.
I love my VFR1200f and would love a newer one but I don't want to go down in CC as the power from the 1200 V4 is amazing. Also stupidly been thinking about supercharging the VFR if I ever get a few grand together, I already know what small car superchargers would fit.
Loving the concept V3. No turbos on bikes due to effect on handling and weight, and the torque from the engine shaft is not enough to overcome friction and air drag at speed, not cost. Do you think 6 stroke bike engines will make an appearance
3:51 Turbos stopped simply because the turbo lag issue is still unsolvable for bikes..Kevin Cameron has wrote extensively about it when Suzuki was teasing its Recursion Turbo engine over several years in the 2010s
V4, the old vfr v4
Smells like a modern revival of the VFR.
I'm sure manufacturers could apply a similair strategy as they do to cars to bring the cubic capacity down. Image 250cc motorbikes with 150bhp.. game changer.
How much power will it have? 120-130 to be in the middle weight class?
Serious VFR-series vibes, although it would obviously need a new name then 😅
Where can I sign the contract? I want one. I wish it will be up to 800cc and naked.
That honda concept is so interesting im almost about to save money for a new Honda
This I am looking forward to. Remind of an engine VW did with the V5. (Did not know about the early Honda engines). No problem producing this. Sign me up if it’s been delivered!👍
The looks, the substitute for the one missing cylinder (the electric compressor) and the displacement: Yeap, that must be a VFR successor. Pitty, it isn‘t a V4 again…
Turbos in bikes, mainly not a popular thing due to plumbing required. Also, they make good power as is efficiency laws have been more relaxed for motorbikes compared to cars in general?
Well, this is quite exciting. Let's hope emissions regulations don't kill this project.
Its a very slim and compact engine/package, could be used in many bikes.
Down under here inNZ and Aus we tend to call this type of FI system as a procharger although it is usually crank driven 😊
3:45
No.... not like a Half Turbo but a Super Duper Charger 🤗
Looks good!👀 I'm excited!
That MV Agusta is STUNNING !!!
I've been legal on a motorcycle since 16. I'm now 45 years old, owed many, many bikes from 125s to 1400cc 20+ motorcycles, and my favourite bike is the one I own now 2011 honda cbr1000rr the last analogue bike before all the aids took over.. I 🦆ing love it it's the best overall balanced bike I've ever riden.
this is Awesome… the concept is an exciting prospect. Lets hope Honda can make it work, in the sense of it being powerful, lightweight (ish), and potentially conforms to EU requirements. I hope it is being developed for supersports bikes
I think the reason they stopped developing turbo engines is because of the unpredictable nature of those turbo inductions. These bikes were scary to ride back in the day with those nasty turbo lags. Also I think it might be expensive to produce as well. That's just my guess.
Not sure - Kawasaki hit the spot with the H2 series,just think they were too juicy maybe.
@@paultanton4307 that’s supercharged. The turbine runs off a shaft(i think? It’s usually a belt in a car) that’s linked with the engine so you get predictable power.
Turbos are so unpredictable because your bikes power depends on how much power you made a second ago. Giving the feeling of a unreliable throttle
Oh nice, that's effectively an anti-lag turbo then. (Without the NOOISSEE you get in rally(cross))
I love my triple (XSR900) can only love that with memories of the NS400R stoker
What happened to the KTM cam video guys?
i hope its short wheelbase cruiser. like a hybrid between adv and cruiser. like a cruiser that you can sit on like a adv bike. taller than cruiser but lower than adv. kind of like rocket 3 but shorter and with taller front and cruiser handlebars and some kind of fairing. but judging the placement of rear shock its going to be another squat rocket.
Is it three conrods on a single crank pin?
There's no turbo on motorcycles (outside from drag bikes) because the lag can be very dangerous when it kicks in in a curve for loosing traction and make a low side.
The swingarm and rear wheel is off a CB1000R Neo Sport.
Looking forward to the updates on that. At last Honda doing what they used to be good at = crazy. :)
Looking at it and the reduced size of the "airbox" I see this induction system could allow more room for fuel !
Isn’t that the SSSA and wheel from the CB1000?
Maybe this V3 engine could be used in a new VFR interceptor.
Love the mv in the background
Really hope this will have hydraulic lifters so valve adjustments won't ever be an issue. Not as big of a deal when all valves are in one spot, but having to disassemble more of the motorcycle would be tedious. Honda had them in older bikes before, hopefully they'll go back to it for this platform.
My favourite engine is a flatplane inline 4 just for the sound alone, but I would have the RSV4 style V4 in a 2nd bike.
WOW well done Honda let's hope it goes into a few different models?🤞🏻 What an exiting thing to look forward to rather than the same old same!!👌🏻👍🏻