Kind of semantics here, but electric turbo =/= electric supercharger. Like you said, the turbo requires the exhaust turbine. If the compressor is purely driven by the electric motor, it is a supercharger.
I believe that the term turbo comes from the fact that it's a turbine. Whether exhaust gas powers it or it's electrically driven shouldn't change it's name.
I had a V4 made by Ford of Europe that was fitted to my Transit van. Same engine also found its way into Saab 96, so yes V4 have been around in cars and not just motorcycles.
I'm glad that a company with the engineering and expertise in ICE engines, is not giving up. It really doesn't take a lot of engineering to make an electric motor make big power. Kudos to Honda.
cylinder configurations/layout doesn't influence the sound as much as the crank angle or exhaust layout. For example the 90* v-twin and 270* parallel twin has basically the same sound.
There are definitely v4s in cars, they're not popular because the v4s advantage is mainly how compact you can make them for the performance, cars hace space in the engine bay for larger engines. I know the Lancia Fulvia had a v4. The 919 race car has a v4 too.
Given the advances made with small electric motors such as what you get in a brushless power tool this has a high potential to be reliable and powerful
Ford Essex V4 was manufactured between 1965 to 1977, and appeared in quite a few of their offerings, including the Capri, Corsair, Consul/Granada, Zephyr, and even the Transit.
Lancia did many V4 engines in cars from the 30s through 70s. Though they were very narrow angle 12-15 degree and shared heads across banks so would be more accurately described as VR4.
They should investigate putting a small high-pressure air tank between the compressor and the engine. That would make it true no-lag and would greatly simplify turbo control.
I would like to see an opposed piston 3 cyl . 6 piston engine on a motorcycle. 6 cyl. engines are very smooth . This design has no valves or cyl head , but 2 crankshafts. It would work well with the blower . The opposed pistons balance well it works well with diesel too .
Ok. I have some questions which do not appear to be covered; 1) what is the motivation behind this new design - Euro 7 or future race requirements? 2) motorcycles do not need a turbo/electric charger. The power to weight ratio does not need it. 3) There are more moving parts than conventional motorcycles (Reliability/cost). 4) Is it heavier or lighter than conventional motorcycles? 5) Is the centre of gravity higher with additional equipment above the engine? 6) Finally, has there been any market research for a change in design to meet customer needs? I am sure clips like this is going to help with innovative ideas for the future, but for me moving from prototype to mass production has to meet customer expectations of what they want from a motorcycle. This looks to me like the design is trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
Kirk, I too am returning to the motorcycle world after a 35 year hiatus. I am now 76 and I first bought a used '94 V-Max. I traded it in on a '23 Grom as it is easier to get my leg over. Groms are really hard to find; especially a new black one. I also have aquired 3 other Hondas; a 2010 VFR1200f, a 2014 CB1100, and most recently a 2012CBR250r. Although I am a Honda person and I am intrigued by this new concept, I was really waiting for Yamaha to unveil a new RD350 two-stroke with variable exhaust tuning. What they unveiled at EICMA was a HUGE disappointment in making a 4-stroke DOHC bike that will go absolutely NOWHERE. They really blew it. If they ever re-make an emissions compliant 2-stroke I will be first in line to buy it
in the new civic, accord, and crv (and probably hrv at some point, right?), why do you think they hybridized the 2.0L engine and not the 1.5t? didn’t the 1.5t get better gas mileage than the 2L? was it because of the oil dilution issues of the 1.5?
Emission regulations are killing big power traditional IC vehicles. This engine design is a smart move for Honda’s future. But I for one will be sad to see the demise of real muscle bikes and cars.
I think it's a mistake for Honda to use the electric compressor only on larger displacement motors. A larger displacement motor already has a large amount of power. The Kawasaki supercharged bike is a full liter. It makes more sense to me to use it on a small displacement motor to give it the power of a larger displacement motor. Imagine a 300cc bike that makes 50hp and weighs 300lbs.
Honda is presently competing in F1, which uses an MGU-H, which is basically a turbo for the future. What technology manufacturers in F1 create normally make it to the road cars sometimes
Technically, no forced induction internal combustion engine "requires" an intercooler, however, every forced induction internal combustion engine would benefit from one. Simply compressing the air concentrates the heat already contained by the air. Think of a compressor as a magnifying glass in sunlight. You're not adding any heat, just concentrating what is already present. The mechanical action of compressing the air increases the collisions (friction) between the air molecules, producing heat. Frankly, I understand that effectively placing an intercooler on a motorcycle would be difficult, but don't let them BS you!
Add cylinder deactivation tech to this engine and you have three engines in one package. 1, 2 or 3. You can run any of these configurations. Since it's an electric supercharger, you can have a Forced induction single cylinder 250 pulling the weight when you're conserving fuel and you don't need all the ponies. Innovative and I see plenty of potential.
It's a compressor, and not a turbo charger, because there is no "turbine" part. The turbine of a turbocharger is the part where hot air from the engine's exhaust powers the same axis the compressor runs on. Without the turbine there is no turbo, so all you have left is the compressor.
ADV Bike ! performance of a triumph tiger, width of a Tennere, Narrow at the waist for standing and a compressor for low down power. Sounds like the best of all worlds. BTW. Didnt DKW ??? run a 2 at the front 1 at the back were the rear piston was a compressor (possibly back in the middle ages ;-))
Mercedes has a engine with a 48v electric compressor. It has a 48v for the compressor and a 12v battery for the accessories. I reckon a motorcycle would be this way.
Compressor is correct … “turbo” is used loosely (Porsche BEV doesn’t have a turbo but they have a turbo trim level). Turbo is short for turbine. That’s what is getting spun by the exhaust gases, which in turn spins the compressor on the intake. Speaking of Porsche, they had a V4 in the 919 (race car). Yamaha is famous for their V4… Vmax is the original “power cruiser”. Intercoolers have nothing to do with hot exhaust. They are on the intake side, meant counteract the heat created by compression…and if intake air is cooled enough, you can increase air density so you can mix in more fuel. The exhaust pipes aren’t curvy for looks. They do it for equal length. Rear cyl would have a much shorter run as it’s closer to the silencer. Lastly, why the hell is your video thumbnail showing the bike upside down?
They did not run the rear exhaust pipe to the front to make it more cool looking.. The idea is to have all pipes the same length to equalize the cylinder scavenging. All three pipes are entering the Muffler/catalytic converter in the same area.
In a vehicle that is wheelie limited as opposed to traction limited; I'm not so sure front (both) wheel drive helps much in performance. Maybe as more of a safety or handling feature? Wonder what it feels like to have the front wheel helping to pull you around a corner.
Volvo makes a supercharged, turbocharged, hybrid SUV. It has an electric supercharger and conventional turbocharger. The system works well enough according to reviewers but it is so complicated that reliability could be a nightmare.
It's not a Turbo charger is there is no exhaust running it. It's an electric compressor. There were some Hard Core V-3 Two strokes as you read from Wiki Peda.. A battery of some size and regenerative braking to charge said battery that runs the compressor would be interesting.
That is a supercharger compressing intake air causing super co air to be forced into the intake. Turbos run off of the exhaust and superheated recycled exhaust gasses into the combustion chamber. Motorcycles already have cooling issues fue to leaning out the fuel mix for emission reduction and fuel economy. Therefore; superchargers electric especially make the most sense
WRONG ! There is a hot side on the turbo that is feed by exhaust gases - it spins an impeller on the Other end of the shaft that compresses fresh air that is feed into the combustion chamber…
I wonder if you made a full hybrid - if you could use the same motor that adds to the drive train, also power the supercharger - it's activation could be clutch controlled - so when you need maximum power, the electric motor engages, and also spins up the supercharger ... hmmmm.
Lyten Li-Sulfur battery samples are now shipping. US military is testing samples on drones. Li-S is 60% lighter than LFP batteries. Li-S are potentially 900 wH/Kg. At 500 wH/kg you have electric jump jets. LFP is only 160. At 900 we are talking big jets like a 737. I like ICE, but there is a crossover for power density and it was just crossed. BEV has no soul so I figure we need to buy cool sounding ICE now and collect.
I hope it will be very very fuel efficient, because that is most important for me. I dont need too much power to drive, because iam not in a hurry when driving a motorbike
The only bikes today that can compete with these 500cc Two-Stroke bikes are 1000cc and 1300cc 4 strokes..And they would lose badly in a canyon race. Or a windy track... With new clean burning technology they don't know how they can bring them back into the race circuit because 4 Strokes are no competition...They are still tractor engines.
The EV is slowing down in Europe but a given fact though..... . Many new small EV's will hit the market. The much anticipated Tenault 5 EV, Renault 4 EV, Fiat Grande Panda, new Suzuki e Vitara, all with wltp range between 325 and 400km. Enough for commuting. Many cities will ban the Ice long before 2035 in Europe, Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam etc, etc. I personally think all EV'S, except Tesla en Byd are very average, to heavy, obese even, only through big battery pack, acceptable driving range. I will stick to our Lexus ES hybrid as long as possible as well as our Suzuki Ignis city car. Both brilliant, efficiënt cars.
Yeah now that the rates are going down, EV uptake is going to start climbing fast again. Already today few people in first world countries are buying new non-electrified vehicles. I mean nobody in their right mind would buy a pure diesel car in 2024.
Electric compressor is not a turbocharger unless the exhaust is also driving a turbine that is mechanically connected to the compressor shaft. And the exhaust nothing to do with with the intercooler, and all to do with the compressor map efficiency and boost levels as that is ehat creates the heat.
Please let's discuss semantics first. An "automotive show for motorcycles" is a... motorcycle show. Also, by definition a turbo takes its energy from the engine exhaust. Otherwise, it is called a supercharger. Be it belt driven or electric powered.
@@tinhinnh I'm sure they could if they wanted to, but they haven't. Chopping a cylinder off wouldn't solve the issue. They'd have to chop the turbo off, figure out how to make the intake and exhaust manifolds take up 1/5 the space they currently do while flowing more air than they currently do, and integrate the transmission into the crankcase. Car engines and motorcycle engines are very different things. When people try to put motorcycle engines (usually a Hyabusa) in a car, it's a fragile mess and when they try to put a car engine in a motorcycle they don't even pretend to be making something that you'd actually want to ride (like the Dodge Tomahawk).
Just curious, have you been told you talk too much before? This subject does not need this much discussion due to the fact that none of the specifications are given yet or even hinted at yet. Honda has always been notorious for not giving any information away until the release of their motorcycles, ie: 1983 VF750F Interceptor, the first V-4 from them available here in the U.S. Everybody needs to relax until the release, because no one except the folks at Honda know what this engine includes or has or what size it is. Nice discussion video though and keep up the hard work.
Please stop moaning about the demise of the ICE! From what is evident in ALL the language from both manufacturers and government, there is wiggle room for whatever meets the goals of lower emissions, lower costs, lower weight, less overall environmental impact, and increased performance. Currently, there are several very credible projects coming directly from manufacturers and from automotive suppliers that will produce commercial-level solid state batteries, super-fast charging, alternative fuels, advanced ICEs, myriad gas/electric combinations, etc., etc. I've got two ICE motorcycles, one ICE car, and one EV. For MOST of what needs to get done with a vehicle, EV is hands-down the way: instant response, quick, quiet, smooth, no smells, no gas station trips (we got used to that crap), much easier to operate and maintain. For motorcycles, until the range hits a real-world 250 miles it ain't time yet. I enjoy the mechanicalness of ICE, drivetrains, and gearboxes - I've own more than 65 vehicles and have been driving for more than 50 years. And the sounds, too (BTW, you apparently have never hear a Triumph triple ripping up the rev range!). But whatever we end up with in the near and long terms, it will be an improvement. It's not bad, it's good; just different.
Interestingly enough, Honda won Baja with an experimental direct injection two stroke that' was cleaner than a comparable four stroke. Honda promptly shelved that technology.. go figure-
Electric turbos also do not need intercoolers because they can oversize the inducer. More airflow with psi of boost allows the air to not get heated as much when being compressed. I want to stick one on my Daihatsu Mira!!
There is no turbine and there is no interaction with exhaust flow. You can't call it an electric turbocharger. It's a supercharger. End of story. And you don't understand intercooling either. Intercooling doesn't cool the exhaust air. The exhaust in a turbo turns a shaft. That air is not the same air going in the intake. Even superchargers (not exhaust driven) can have intercoolers. I love your enthusiasm, but you're making a few things up here.
Kind of semantics here, but electric turbo =/= electric supercharger. Like you said, the turbo requires the exhaust turbine. If the compressor is purely driven by the electric motor, it is a supercharger.
@redstonegarage A turbocharger is an exhaust driven supercharger. Whether they're exhaust, belt, or electrically driven they're all superchargers.
It's a turchargsupraturbinator.
Comon. It's a motor and fan.
hahaha
@@exothermal.sprocket LOL
Not really semantics. It's a supercharger.
I believe that the term turbo comes from the fact that it's a turbine. Whether exhaust gas powers it or it's electrically driven shouldn't change it's name.
That rear cylinder exhaust run isn't just for aesthetics - they are matching the lengths for each cylinder, no doubt.
Also it has to come forward to the Catalytic converter.
Yep, equal-length exhaust is probably right.
I had a V4 made by Ford of Europe that was fitted to my Transit van. Same engine also found its way into Saab 96, so yes V4 have been around in cars and not just motorcycles.
Porsche 919 hybrid is also a v4.
I’m glad Honda is making something really unique again. I can’t wait to see what bikes are powered by this!
I'm glad that a company with the engineering and expertise in ICE engines, is not giving up. It really doesn't take a lot of engineering to make an electric motor make big power. Kudos to Honda.
Ford used to make a V4 car engine back in the ‘60s here in the UK. It was used in a Ford Corsair
The Ford Taunus V4 engine is a 60° V4 piston engine with one balance shaft, introduced by Ford Motor Company in Germany in 1962.
Saab 96 used the same engine.
cylinder configurations/layout doesn't influence the sound as much as the crank angle or exhaust layout. For example the 90* v-twin and 270* parallel twin has basically the same sound.
Honda campaigned a championship-winning 990cc V5 called the RC211V in motogp in the early 2000’s.
...and Freddie Spencer was pretty handy on their V3 2-stroke GP 500 in (I think) 1983/84, before murdering the competition on the V4 in '85 👍
That was typical of Honda back then… maybe things are looking up!
RC211V is a beast
Remove one cylinder front and rear. Voila. V3.
More companies should be investing and improving ICE's. With the technology we have today, they could be much better.
They have been doing exactly that for the past century.
Driving a car is equivalent to driving a wheel chair.
Many cars had v4 engines, Ford Taunus, Saab 96, Saab 95, Lancia Fulvia, Matra 530, Ford Capri, Saab Sonett V4, Tatra 97,
There are definitely v4s in cars, they're not popular because the v4s advantage is mainly how compact you can make them for the performance, cars hace space in the engine bay for larger engines.
I know the Lancia Fulvia had a v4.
The 919 race car has a v4 too.
Given the advances made with small electric motors such as what you get in a brushless power tool this has a high potential to be reliable and powerful
Ford Essex V4 was manufactured between 1965 to 1977, and appeared in quite a few of their offerings, including the Capri, Corsair, Consul/Granada, Zephyr, and even the Transit.
This sounds exciting. I am 1/2 as excited as you are.
Rigth on the money , Riding a bike it’s way better than any car nothing compared to that ,, they it feels like flying without wings🏍🙋🏻♂️
Until battery technology advances we will still have ice cars.
It's not so much even advancing. We just need larger and more affordable batteries.
"we'll be all electric by 2040" translates to: "we will be bankrupt by 2050".
Electric cars are a scam and a lie.
We will definitely all have awesome tans.
Wrong.
EVs are boring
It will be Chinese EVs everywhere because of their underpaid labour and middle class people wanting cheap and affordable cars. I hope I'm wrong
Lancia did many V4 engines in cars from the 30s through 70s. Though they were very narrow angle 12-15 degree and shared heads across banks so would be more accurately described as VR4.
They should investigate putting a small high-pressure air tank between the compressor and the engine. That would make it true no-lag and would greatly simplify turbo control.
Porsche's Le Man's decimating 919 was a V4
I would like to see an opposed piston 3 cyl . 6 piston engine on a motorcycle. 6 cyl. engines are very smooth . This design has no valves or cyl head , but 2 crankshafts. It would work well with the blower . The opposed pistons balance well it works well with diesel too .
Coolest engine of all time: The Napier Deltic. Eighteen cylinders with 36 pistons.
What do you know about Boyle's law and intercoolers?
Sounds like not a lot!
Ok. I have some questions which do not appear to be covered;
1) what is the motivation behind this new design - Euro 7 or future race requirements?
2) motorcycles do not need a turbo/electric charger. The power to weight ratio does not need it.
3) There are more moving parts than conventional motorcycles (Reliability/cost).
4) Is it heavier or lighter than conventional motorcycles?
5) Is the centre of gravity higher with additional equipment above the engine?
6) Finally, has there been any market research for a change in design to meet customer needs?
I am sure clips like this is going to help with innovative ideas for the future, but for me moving from prototype to mass production has to meet customer expectations of what they want from a motorcycle. This looks to me like the design is trying to fix something that isn’t broken.
Kirk, I too am returning to the motorcycle world after a 35 year hiatus. I am now 76 and I first bought a used '94 V-Max. I traded it in on a '23 Grom as it is easier to get my leg over. Groms are really hard to find; especially a new black one. I also have aquired 3 other Hondas; a 2010 VFR1200f, a 2014 CB1100, and most recently a 2012CBR250r. Although I am a Honda person and I am intrigued by this new concept, I was really waiting for Yamaha to unveil a new RD350 two-stroke with variable exhaust tuning. What they unveiled at EICMA was a HUGE disappointment in making a 4-stroke DOHC bike that will go absolutely NOWHERE. They really blew it. If they ever re-make an emissions compliant 2-stroke I will be first in line to buy it
Kirk, Ford, Lancia and Saab have all made V4 road cars and Porsche made a V4 LMP race car. So yes, they are rare, but they have existed.
There was a Saab 96 with v4 engine from Ford. Ford used it in the Ford Taunus 15M.
Would a V3 paired with the existing I-MMD system generate enough power to replace the base Civic engine?
in the new civic, accord, and crv (and probably hrv at some point, right?), why do you think they hybridized the 2.0L engine and not the 1.5t? didn’t the 1.5t get better gas mileage than the 2L? was it because of the oil dilution issues of the 1.5?
The ICE in a hybrid setup usually runs the Atkinson cycle for increased efficiency. I don't think turbos work with that.
Would this replace the rrr fireblade, or be below it. Could it be 2027 motogp related?
Emission regulations are killing big power traditional IC vehicles. This engine design is a smart move for Honda’s future. But I for one will be sad to see the demise of real muscle bikes and cars.
I hope they can balance the engines like that since imbalances in motorcycles can be disastrous
It has a super charger not a turbo.
I think it's a mistake for Honda to use the electric compressor only on larger displacement motors. A larger displacement motor already has a large amount of power. The Kawasaki supercharged bike is a full liter. It makes more sense to me to use it on a small displacement motor to give it the power of a larger displacement motor. Imagine a 300cc bike that makes 50hp and weighs 300lbs.
Good point though they must have their reasons probably having to do with the market.
@@gwilliamwallace Cheers!
Glad Yamaha is dropping crossplane. I have always feared for their durability. Shaking like a Harley is not for me.
The compressor will propably only be active during certain driving conditions. It probably can do with a quite small battery. 12:03
Do you understand the difference between a turbo charger and supercharger?
Honda is presently competing in F1, which uses an MGU-H, which is basically a turbo for the future. What technology manufacturers in F1 create normally make it to the road cars sometimes
Technically, no forced induction internal combustion engine "requires" an intercooler, however, every forced induction internal combustion engine would benefit from one. Simply compressing the air concentrates the heat already contained by the air. Think of a compressor as a magnifying glass in sunlight. You're not adding any heat, just concentrating what is already present. The mechanical action of compressing the air increases the collisions (friction) between the air molecules, producing heat. Frankly, I understand that effectively placing an intercooler on a motorcycle would be difficult, but don't let them BS you!
Add cylinder deactivation tech to this engine and you have three engines in one package. 1, 2 or 3. You can run any of these configurations. Since it's an electric supercharger, you can have a Forced induction single cylinder 250 pulling the weight when you're conserving fuel and you don't need all the ponies. Innovative and I see plenty of potential.
Indeed, is the current blower feeding all three intakes?
We want to see the crankshaft on this V3
How many mains and how many planes.
The best motorcycle engine ever created the box 4 two-Stroke.. And possibly The V4 Two-Stroke from Honda
It's a compressor, and not a turbo charger, because there is no "turbine" part. The turbine of a turbocharger is the part where hot air from the engine's exhaust powers the same axis the compressor runs on. Without the turbine there is no turbo, so all you have left is the compressor.
ADV Bike ! performance of a triumph tiger, width of a Tennere, Narrow at the waist for standing and a compressor for low down power. Sounds like the best of all worlds. BTW. Didnt DKW ??? run a 2 at the front 1 at the back were the rear piston was a compressor (possibly back in the middle ages ;-))
Mercedes has a engine with a 48v electric compressor. It has a 48v for the compressor and a 12v battery for the accessories.
I reckon a motorcycle would be this way.
Compressor is correct … “turbo” is used loosely (Porsche BEV doesn’t have a turbo but they have a turbo trim level). Turbo is short for turbine. That’s what is getting spun by the exhaust gases, which in turn spins the compressor on the intake. Speaking of Porsche, they had a V4 in the 919 (race car). Yamaha is famous for their V4… Vmax is the original “power cruiser”. Intercoolers have nothing to do with hot exhaust. They are on the intake side, meant counteract the heat created by compression…and if intake air is cooled enough, you can increase air density so you can mix in more fuel. The exhaust pipes aren’t curvy for looks. They do it for equal length. Rear cyl would have a much shorter run as it’s closer to the silencer. Lastly, why the hell is your video thumbnail showing the bike upside down?
They did not run the rear exhaust pipe to the front to make it more cool looking..
The idea is to have all pipes the same length to equalize the cylinder scavenging.
All three pipes are entering the Muffler/catalytic converter in the same area.
In a vehicle that is wheelie limited as opposed to traction limited; I'm not so sure front (both) wheel drive helps much in performance. Maybe as more of a safety or handling feature? Wonder what it feels like to have the front wheel helping to pull you around a corner.
Yep 2wd handling sounds like something I want to try out
Volvo makes a supercharged, turbocharged, hybrid SUV. It has an electric supercharger and conventional turbocharger. The system works well enough according to reviewers but it is so complicated that reliability could be a nightmare.
It's not a Turbo charger is there is no exhaust running it. It's an electric compressor. There were some Hard Core V-3 Two strokes as you read from Wiki Peda.. A battery of some size and regenerative braking to charge said battery that runs the compressor would be interesting.
I got a digital watch with fuel tokens.
Had a look in the drawer full of smart phones but I guess I binned it 40 years ago.
Keeping my K20C2 Civic forever lol
I literally was saying an electrical superchargers could be the solution to Toyota's engine problems.
That is a supercharger compressing intake air causing super co air to be forced into the intake. Turbos run off of the exhaust and superheated recycled exhaust gasses into the combustion chamber. Motorcycles already have cooling issues fue to leaning out the fuel mix for emission reduction and fuel economy. Therefore; superchargers electric especially make the most sense
WRONG ! There is a hot side on the turbo that is feed by exhaust gases - it spins an impeller on the Other end of the shaft that compresses fresh air that is feed into the combustion chamber…
Hi don’t forget the RC 51 1000 is it between from Honda 2004
ford taunus v4 and al those v4s that lancia made?
I wonder if you made a full hybrid - if you could use the same motor that adds to the drive train, also power the supercharger - it's activation could be clutch controlled - so when you need maximum power, the electric motor engages, and also spins up the supercharger ... hmmmm.
The Saab Sonnet had a Ford built V four that replaced the earlier 3 cyl two stroke.
Thank you
Lyten Li-Sulfur battery samples are now shipping. US military is testing samples on drones. Li-S is 60% lighter than LFP batteries. Li-S are potentially 900 wH/Kg. At 500 wH/kg you have electric jump jets. LFP is only 160. At 900 we are talking big jets like a 737. I like ICE, but there is a crossover for power density and it was just crossed. BEV has no soul so I figure we need to buy cool sounding ICE now and collect.
Mazda Was going to debut a Gas burning Diesel cycle engine ,to save the world 5-10 years ago. Sure got quiet. Dream on!
I hope it will be very very fuel efficient, because that is most important for me. I dont need too much power to drive, because iam not in a hurry when driving a motorbike
Your kinda wrong on turbo heat , when you compress air it heats up my friend so just wanted you to know .
The only bikes today that can compete with these 500cc Two-Stroke bikes are 1000cc and 1300cc 4 strokes..And they would lose badly in a canyon race. Or a windy track... With new clean burning technology they don't know how they can bring them back into the race circuit because 4 Strokes are no competition...They are still tractor engines.
Toyota is the biggest auto maker in the world and they didn't put their eggs in the all-electric basket. That gives me hope.
Let’s see the new prelude come with that tech!
yes
Honda... we'll go all electric... electric turbos... 😅
The EV is slowing down in Europe but a given fact though..... . Many new small EV's will hit the market. The much anticipated Tenault 5 EV, Renault 4 EV, Fiat Grande Panda, new Suzuki e Vitara, all with wltp range between 325 and 400km. Enough for commuting.
Many cities will ban the Ice long before 2035 in Europe, Berlin, Paris, Amsterdam etc, etc.
I personally think all EV'S, except Tesla en Byd are very average, to heavy, obese even, only through big battery pack, acceptable driving range.
I will stick to our Lexus ES hybrid as long as possible as well as our Suzuki Ignis city car. Both brilliant, efficiënt cars.
Yeah now that the rates are going down, EV uptake is going to start climbing fast again. Already today few people in first world countries are buying new non-electrified vehicles. I mean nobody in their right mind would buy a pure diesel car in 2024.
@rasmusansin3273 not fast and with incentives, but steady growth...yes
Mercedes used to call their supercharged models Kompressor. No exhaust assistance to my knowledge would be an E supercharger.
There used to be V4 car engines, very few though!
Electric compressor is not a turbocharger unless the exhaust is also driving a turbine that is mechanically connected to the compressor shaft.
And the exhaust nothing to do with with the intercooler, and all to do with the compressor map efficiency and boost levels as that is ehat creates the heat.
It's not a e-turbo it's a electric driven centrifical supercharger❤
Please let's discuss semantics first. An "automotive show for motorcycles" is a... motorcycle show. Also, by definition a turbo takes its energy from the engine exhaust. Otherwise, it is called a supercharger. Be it belt driven or electric powered.
Yes there are no V2s, but i did make a V2 in Angethegreat's engine sim XD
What are you talking about? There are millions of V2s. The most popular twin engines in all of motorcycling are twins. What do you think Harley makes?
The SAAB Sonnet was a V-4
Isn't this an electric supercharger.... I cant see an exhaust connection 😕
Yes it's similar to a centrifugal supercharger. Instead of being run on the belt, it's ran by an electric motor. Pretty cool.
So it's essentially an electric centrifugal supercharger
But probably more space efficient?
CBR800RR
800cc with 150hp, perfect rival for R9 or panigale V2
V3 does it for me too!
Imagine if Honda used a reverse of the electric turbocharger to turn exhaust energy into hybrid battery energy for cars
Complexity, weight, conversion loss, cost.
How come Toyota doesn’t do motorcycle? use that gr motor
they do it through yamaha partnership
@ but its still a yamaha 😁
Toyota has nothing to do with Yamaha motorcycles, not directly anyway.
The GR 3-cylinder is too large and heavy for a motorcycle.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872they could chop a cylinder off 😊, im sure they can develop one if they wanted to
@@tinhinnh I'm sure they could if they wanted to, but they haven't. Chopping a cylinder off wouldn't solve the issue. They'd have to chop the turbo off, figure out how to make the intake and exhaust manifolds take up 1/5 the space they currently do while flowing more air than they currently do, and integrate the transmission into the crankcase. Car engines and motorcycle engines are very different things. When people try to put motorcycle engines (usually a Hyabusa) in a car, it's a fragile mess and when they try to put a car engine in a motorcycle they don't even pretend to be making something that you'd actually want to ride (like the Dodge Tomahawk).
modern Supersport class 120-130hp please
Electric compressors don’t really make all that much boost pressure.
Honda's first v3 engine? Except for the NS400R racer i used to own when I was younger. Just saying.
Honda made a V3 2Stroke Road Bike in the Early 80’s……..
what if V2 with one smaller piston other bigger oval shaped? 😉
So it's an electric supercharger - btw, even turbochargers are technically superchargers
Saab had cars with a V3 and V4 engines.
Just curious, have you been told you talk too much before? This subject does not need this much discussion due to the fact that none of the specifications are given yet or even hinted at yet. Honda has always been notorious for not giving any information away until the release of their motorcycles, ie: 1983 VF750F Interceptor, the first V-4 from them available here in the U.S. Everybody needs to relax until the release, because no one except the folks at Honda know what this engine includes or has or what size it is. Nice discussion video though and keep up the hard work.
Please stop moaning about the demise of the ICE! From what is evident in ALL the language from both manufacturers and government, there is wiggle room for whatever meets the goals of lower emissions, lower costs, lower weight, less overall environmental impact, and increased performance. Currently, there are several very credible projects coming directly from manufacturers and from automotive suppliers that will produce commercial-level solid state batteries, super-fast charging, alternative fuels, advanced ICEs, myriad gas/electric combinations, etc., etc. I've got two ICE motorcycles, one ICE car, and one EV. For MOST of what needs to get done with a vehicle, EV is hands-down the way: instant response, quick, quiet, smooth, no smells, no gas station trips (we got used to that crap), much easier to operate and maintain. For motorcycles, until the range hits a real-world 250 miles it ain't time yet. I enjoy the mechanicalness of ICE, drivetrains, and gearboxes - I've own more than 65 vehicles and have been driving for more than 50 years. And the sounds, too (BTW, you apparently have never hear a Triumph triple ripping up the rev range!). But whatever we end up with in the near and long terms, it will be an improvement. It's not bad, it's good; just different.
Interestingly enough, Honda won Baja with an experimental direct injection two stroke that' was cleaner than a comparable four stroke. Honda promptly shelved that technology.. go figure-
Ford had a 4 cylinder V car engine in 1970's l had one in a Corsair
You said Hybrid before I could get it typed out.
man I really want to hear how it sounds
Don't really get the ICE hoopla
Electric turbos also do not need intercoolers because they can oversize the inducer. More airflow with psi of boost allows the air to not get heated as much when being compressed. I want to stick one on my Daihatsu Mira!!
There is no turbine and there is no interaction with exhaust flow. You can't call it an electric turbocharger. It's a supercharger. End of story. And you don't understand intercooling either. Intercooling doesn't cool the exhaust air. The exhaust in a turbo turns a shaft. That air is not the same air going in the intake. Even superchargers (not exhaust driven) can have intercoolers. I love your enthusiasm, but you're making a few things up here.
Ford made V4 car engines in cologne, Germany.
Fraunkinsteen.