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- Welcome back to our Kinefinity In Depth series. In this video, we're looking at the flagship camera from Kinefinity, the MAVO LF.
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I love when Harry Potter reviews cameras. Magical.
What day is It?
hahahaha soooo good! thank you sir, you made my day! :D
lol
He's not at al like harry potter ! XD
@@CampingtrendNl - it's Wednesday, 5 years later. Still a great camera!
This camera has such an incredible look. I had to purposefully try really hard to find any noise or artifacts in those high ISO shots. Wow. Just wow.
Beautiful footage! About as good as it gets! With such options and flexibility the MAVO LF I believe it will become the camera of choice for many filmmakers over the next year.
So beautiful video, as always!
I've been waiting for this video for so so long. Thank you thank you thank you. Would love to see the raw and a red comparison!
No problem, thanks for watching!
I'm sure people will be comparing them to RED cameras soon enough
Carl
This Kinefinity videos are so helpful! Thank you!
No problem, thank you for watching!
Carl
Thanks Carl for your time and effort on this review.
No problem! Thank you for watching
Carl
Amazing!
**** this looks good! Okay, i'm officially saving money
It is such great value for money
Carl
Dream camera!
Agreed, such a lot of power in such a small form factor
Carl
@@ProAVTV sry maybe i missed it which mount is on this one, ef pl? or combined ?
Hey Carl, how about a video explaining the difference between the basic, pro, & premium packages? Cheers!
I agree I would love to see how the footage (low light, color science and dynamic range) compared to a red.
I'm sure people will be making comparisons!
Carl
Great video Carl. Keep up the good work! Review request for those Atlas & Co anamorphic lenses pretty please :D
Thanks! They are lovely lenses, trouble is getting them in one place for long enough, they are so popular!
Carl
Image look bit softer than red! Make a comparison with red! I feel very happy new portable cine cameras coming i have only sèen red from many years!😀😀😀
I love this cinema camera
It certainly has a lot going for it!
Carl
@@ProAVTV carl it will be cool to see a review of nisi or mavo apocromatic cine lenses they seem to have character ✌💛 (Breathing - detail - color- distorsion- bokeh)
Thanks for this. I’m really interested in dynamic range test. More how it compares to a “higher-end” camera like a RED Gemini in highlight roll off. Or even against the queen of highlight detail retention. No need to name her.
It would be nice to have an idea where it lands in a real world, challenging shooting environment test.
From what i've seen, same dr as gemini, about one and a half stops less than alexa lf.
I will like to see how it compares with red cameras in terms of Dynamic range and low light performance
😮 oh man I'd love to own one of these
They are pretty special
Carl
I want to see some side by side high ISO (low light) tests with Mavo / bmpcc 4k / GH5/S1
Why? They are completely different cameras. Change that to the Mavo, C200, and ursa Mini, maybe through a red in there. All you’re going to hear is “all look great, one is a baby cinema camera which has a way smaller sensor and shit battery, one is a photo camera, another is a cinema camera.
Hello Carl! That's a great review! I have a question - When you crop down from 6k to 4k to shoot anamorphic, do you also lose some light? does the image gets darker?
I want to see the Z Cam 8k LF comparison with the Mavo LF.
These camera's seem fantastic for the price! I thought this was going to be 25k but at under 13k that's great value in comparison to RED.
The price of these cameras really is impressive when you look at other Large Format cinema cameras
Dan
For any independent filmmaker, unless you have very deep pockets, it makes zero sense to invest on a RED. Especially here in Europe, where Kinefinity has technical assistance. Even if you have deep pockets, it makes more sense to go for Kinefinity and invest the rest of the money you'd blow on the RED ecosystem and get a new PC or some state of the art glass. I mean, you can buy these cameras in complete, just-charge-the-battery-and-put-a-lens-on packages. The MAVO LF Pro-Package is a little over €18k, and the MAVO s35 Pro-Package is a little over €13k. For everything these cameras offer, this is some of the biggest bang for your buck on the market, at the moment - if not really the biggest.
Alex Alexis wow phenomenal pricing .
How is the DR compared with Gemini or Alexa Mini?
It looks great but they should make a carbon fiver or metal model, touch screen monitor compatibility, optimise handle size.
Everytime you release a new video about the Kinefinity range, but desired budget increases by £1000’s of pounds!!! 😊👍
They are some fantastic cameras!
Carl
Thanks for an awesome explanation video. Any word wether or not the Kine RAW will be fully compatible with Premiere Pro like RED CODE? And also, when you output to an external monitor will you be able to see all in the display like timecode, format, white balance etc, and if you Magnify to look for focus will that be seen on the external monitor as well. The focus part for example does not work on my Sony FS5 Mark II. And I do agree with som previous comments, som parts look very fuzzy, like the guy lighting up a smoke for instance, how come? Last question; any autofocus on this camera? Hope hope hope hope...fingers crossed. Thanks again!
I can only confirm that when its plugged into a monitor it shows everything including when you zoom the image to check the focus, for the rest I don't have an answer, but btw why the heck you need autofocus on a cinema camera?:)
Seems a pretty quiet look that opens the doors of stories, rather than slamming them in ur face.
I liked the video, very well explained. Do you know were to download some raw footage of this camera to see it capabilities on detail?
www.kinefinity.com/shots_on_mavo_lf/
Can you do a test to compare to a Red in color science?
Would be great. The price is just 1/4, but probably colors and dr will be beaten my RED
@@langohr9613ify I think so too
I agree, that would be the final test.
This video was great! Do you guys supply to the usa?
Thanks! Theres no USA channel at the moment, but if you email sales@proav.co.uk we can help advise on your options.
Carl
The electronic ND adapter, what about the IR pollution? Does the electronic ND get rid of the IR pollution?
Could you get the medium format focal reducer for the Sony FE mount and try it out with some medium format lenses? I'm very curious about how this could look.
Yes you can, in fact the Kinefinity dealer over in Amsterdam has been doing some tests of exactly that!
If you join the Kinefinity community Facebook group you can see the results there
Carl
What lenses did you use? Would the Canon Cine primes work well on the Mavo LF? The Canon Cine primes are optimized for 4k when the Mavo LF is 6k. Does that matter at all?
We used a mixture, the Bar shots were with Sigma Cine Primes, the Dog walking was a Canon 24-70mm F2.8
I think the Canon Cine Primes should be fine, from my experience with them you should have no problems at all.
Carl
what about texture, color, skin tones, high light fall of, DR? How easy are the menus, de build quality, warranty, time to boot? sorry for the interrogation hahah
Hi Carl, sounds great and I am seriously interested. Great value for money. My biggest concern is service. who can fix a Kinefinity? Are there parts available? What happens if it breaks while filming overseas? That's where Canon and Sony give professionals peace of mind. Thanks for the great video
So for our customers, we handle all the service, repair and warranty support. We have engineers in house that can repair the cameras here.
Kinefinity can also repair in china, and there are several european dealers who can repair cameras there as well.
We would of course have to get the cameras back here to our office in london to repair them though.
Carl
Can you tell me with which camera you shot the B-Roll of MAVO LF?
Blackmagic 6k is $2500 with almost all the features of your LF. Your body is roughly $14000 alone so we’re talking about $20,000-25,000 all in. Is the $20,000 difference in price worth it? Sigma is releasing a full frame 12bit raw external recording camera that will fit in your pocket. Just some things to think about.
Sorry, but the MAVO/MAVO LF/TERRA 4K all have 3:2 sensor. so opengate/4:3/6:5 all uses full length of the sensor for anamorphic. (6016*4016, 3:2)
Great little camera. Are you planning to do any dynamic range tests? Would love to see how it would hold up against Arris flagship. Also, how long is the runtime on 95wh?
Red has higher dynamic range, best to test against a red. i wouldnt buy this camera, the skin tone are not so great, i'd really go for a red gemini\dragon x.
Hello! Great video! I have two questions: 1. How long is the startup time for the camera? And 2. Does it feature any pre record options?
A bit longer than 20 secs, they plan to give MAVO/MAVOLF pre-recording feature later on through firmware updates
@@adamwerton great! Thank you!
The motion rendition at 50fps looked dodgy, hopefully it's just because they didn't keep the shutter at 180deg. Also the highlight rolloff didn't seem so good. Would love to see comparisons to the Alexa
I think they just overexposed the camera. If you want better highlight rolloff, just do an S-curve in post.
Hey Carl. I was wondering if you ship to Canada? If so, do you include the in house service and warranty with the camera? Thanks.
Hi Jason
I'm afraid our agreement with Kinefinity is to handle the sales and support for the UK. If you email the team though they can help you find the right place to buy from: Sales@ProAV.co.uk
Carl
Did I get that right? I could Chose so shoot 4K with the Full Frame 6K Sensor and Oversample it "just like" the A7III? Or did I get that wrong? Cause that would be a killer feature imo!
Yes, that’s exactly right.
Carl
It's a hard sell with the Ursa Mini Pro G2 soon to be released though.You'd really have to be sold on that "full frame" look.
This is a very different camera to the Ursa Mini Pro. The size, power draw, low light, size of the sensor, modular design are all reasons to look at the kinefinity over the UMP.
Carl
UMP is HUGE
Awsome video, thanks for sharing. Can you tell me the name of the song playing around 9:23 on the video?
Seems like such a basic lame question but how the hell do I change from 6k 50fps to 6k wide 75fps? So far not understanding their frame rate options in their menu
When using a S35 crop mode can EF-S lenses be used?
Yes but you need to pop the plastic back-cover off the lens.
Hey Carl, what kind of support/repair service can kinefinity provide? Im guessing they are new player compared to Canon which excel on after sales service.
For our customers, we handle all support and repairs. We have engineers in house that can repair the cameras here in the U.K and all communication regarding support, repairs and service go through us. We also offer 3 years warranty cover on Kinefinity cameras.
Dan
Good to hear. By the way, the color produced by Mavo LF is very lovely. Im looking forward for your next video in depth for exposure recovery and iso performance.
Get setup to sell and support the US market.
Love your reviews thanks for everything
@@ProAVTV im seriously considering buying this camera ftom you guys, how long would it take for you to ship to Washington, DC?
@@dre66roc If you email our sales team on sales@proav.co.uk we can talk you through the options
Carl
hope you compare it with RED , also hope to see a review of the lenses they offer
do you sell it with same prices announced on their website ?
Adjusted for UK exchange rates, yes
Carl
According to Jihua, there will be oversampled opengate later on. Good for those who want to shoot opengate anamorphic.
What's open gate?
@@activatehalo7763 shooting video using the entire sensor.Very few camera manufacturer gives this option.
@@adamwerton Ah. Never heard that phrase before thanks.
Could you tell me what EVF that is you're using, also are there any in particular that work well with the Mavo LF? Thanks.
We use the Zacuto Gratical Eye which works very well.
www.proav.co.uk/zacuto-gratical-eye-evf
Carl
they plan to release their own evf soon, perhaps will be released on NAB this year.
How is the dynamic range
Seriously thinking switching from Sony to Kinefinity, they become a mature company compared with some years ago when I saw them in Beijing fair. No ND-filters ? What about the Mavo/Nisi lenses ?
As a cinematic camera they have a lot of strengths.
They have some lens mounts for EF and PL which have a variable ND built in to the mount itself. But no ND filters actually on the body itself.
The MAVO lenses look great, we have only had them here for a short time, so bit too early to judge properly. But they look like they have some real character
Carl
Does it record 144p ?
Damn I want this but at the same time Red’s headquarters is literally a 5 min drive from me..
Kez it’s about support. I’m on my way to India right now for instance. I know for a fact the red will be everywhere I go within a thousand miles. And on top of it I can repair and fix it real quick mere minutes from my house. I doubt the mavo has much support in California or Asia
Do you know if they'll be releasing a new camera this year???
Not that I know of. The MAVO LF has only just started shipping
Carl
Hey Karl, do you think they will have higher fps with future firmware updates? As the Terra 4k just got some insane ones added.
Hopefully! I know the engineers are working on seeing how far they can push the MAVO LF.
Carl
@@ProAVTV awesome! Sorry for spelling your name wrong btw. I'm so keen on buying a Mavo lf
@@sickhcivc No worries, Karl is a super common way of spelling it, especially in europe.
Drop our sales team an email and they can help give you some advice.
Carl
I feel like Kinefinity needs to drop prices on the Mavo and Terra 4k. They are priced the same as the canon equivalent which is too high for a smaller brand. They are a bit smaller but grow in size fast just like a red.
Whatcha gonna do, Blackmagic
whats the intro song?
How come I never heard of this camera before? What are the negatives of this camera?
They are pretty new to the UK market. They aren't quite as well built and reliable as an Arri for example, as you would expect for the price. But the image is just fantastic and they give a whole host of features, way above what you would expect for the price range
Carl
what's the dynamic range?
They say greater than 14 stops
Carl
Please test the hdmi-out lag.
Lag is minimal. There is some, but nothing that bothers me.
Carl
what's the dynamic range of LF?
They say greater than 14 stops
Carl
Yes. but where is the global shutter?
Does this camera have a 23.98 frame rate?
Yes, in fact you can choose any frame rate you like. You can specify custom frame rates in 0.001 fps increments
Carl
Hi, I was wondering if the LF can do 6k at 60 frames per second? On the manufacturer's website it only states 50fps for UK but not sure if there's the standard 60fps for the US. Thanks!
No it maxes out at 50fps in 6K i'm afraid.
Carl
@@ProAVTV So at slightly lower resolution, it can shoot 60fps? Or how about 6k WS instead of 16x9? Would that allow us to shoot 60fps?
with their new firmware KineOS 6.3 it can do 6K DCI @60fps now.
Screw this god damn song ya’ll know what I’m talking about. The same freaking song that every TH-cam channel uses at least once. STAHP PLS
This cameras are not that cheap anymore :P well... still cheaper then RED....
True, MAVO LF is a serious investment. But a huge amount more affordable than the competition
Carl
ProAV TV 18 years ago our entry level Betacam SP cost us $28,000. Cameras are cheap now. People will always complain. 🙄
@@juancarlospena7089 I guess what i meant was, "are not as cheap as they used to be" and I was stating a fact, not complaining. I'm interested in RED.
David Moreno Belmonte I just meant in general I hear people complain on the interwebs and it tickles me, considering how much we are getting these days for the money compared to a few years ago.
Meant no disrespect.
@@juancarlospena7089 Well... is like when you see a cinema lens review, and someone comment is, "no auto focus? I'm out"...is a new generation, I hear you man.
Why is this called Large Format whereas it is only a full frame
I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's because ARRI first started to call their full frame Alexa a Large Format camera. 🤣At least this way no one will say "look, that's a Final Fantasy camera!"
@@adamwerton thanks!
Well, it is understandable, though Arri LF is slighty larger than full frame xD
I also don't understand why they call 65mm medium format as large format.
@@cmdr.shepard marketing...
This is due to pixel density 2 mega pixel is 1080p 8mp is 4k and we know large formats is 12 k image soo big so 24 mp is standard in 35mm sensor but this senor in camera have the ratio 4;3 so anamorphic lens is used to stretch in post production.. if u really want to learn film then see @wolfcrow channel
how much bro....
Our website will always be up to date with pricing: www.proav.co.uk/kinefinity-mavo-lf-6k-cinema-camera-proav
Dan
Is it only me that I see the in focus point is not sharp
I notice that too... but maybe it was the lens used on the plant water shot.
And only 14 stops of dynamic range?
Kinefinity: Mavo LF 6k
z-cam E2 F8: That's cute
Ursa mini looks better! Even if it’s a cropped sensor
LF is not the future. Most DPs want to stick to S35 mostly because the advantages are negligible at the high end level and it’s too cumbersome.
first!
The guys over at Zacuto truly haven't a clue of aesthetics.. the evf looks like a Chinese knock-off of a cheap US kid's toy.
Why are companies making such ugly cameras now days. I need to look sexy when running around with a camera on my shoulder :-)
But it is sexy as hell. What camera body is sexier for you? I'm curious.