This is one of the most organized, concise, straight to the point, informative video, without all the nonsense, that I ever watched on you tube. Well done !!
Respect for admitting your mistakes. Unfortunately, factory accessories on bikes are almost always way more expensive and worse quality/performance than the aftermarket options.
Thank you! Having had Tiger 955i and R1200GS side-openers for many years - once I discovered top-openers from Triumph/Givi, there was no going back for ('no more gravity spillage'!) My Givi/Triumph Expeditions on my Tiger 800, and now 1200 GT Pro, are bigger and easier to pack; they just feel much wider than previous side openers. A trade-off I'm happy with. I always remove remove them when not on a road-trip, and use a top-box for day-trips. I was always really sniffy about 'panniers bags' ("waste of money" I thought) However I learnt to love them - took me a while to understand that packing your stuff off-bike, to plop them in when you're ready to go, is way better. No more hauling heavy pannier boxes and muddy panniers in B&B/hotel rooms! Took me a while duh... But a useful accessory now. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks man, those were really useful infos before purchasing all the crap they would’ve sold me🤘🏻 wish there would be more ppl like you making such practical videos. Greetings
Outstanding and very much eye opening material sir, thank you especially since I'm doing a little bit of research on Tigers before actually buying one.
I have the same side panniers, you can actually adjust them so they only open the top third like a top loading case. There are locking clips inside that you can adjust, that black horizontal line at about the top third is actually a hinge point. Try it out, it's a pretty good design when used like that.
Just tried it and while it's not as useful as the top opening option it's definitely an improvement. Unfortunately it was raining and it reminded me of another weakness of these cases that I didn't mention: they're not waterproof!
I have the Triumph all-metal top-opening side cases and matching top case and, I'd have to say, they may be quite a bit more expensive but they are excellent quality and well worth the extra.
Thanks for your explanation of Not buying Triumph accessories, and clearly explained. My personal thoughts are that the front crash bars may protect the engine but do not extend to protect the sides of the fuel tank, which when dropped looks obvious and could leak !! So thank you.
I'd suggest buying the case liner bags. Put your belongings into them then just put the filled bag in the side case. Makes packing and unpacking much faster and easier. Plus the liner bads are 100% waterproof
I have those panniers and they have been great. the side ones you can lock them inside so only the top bit opens. that is a great feature when you are traveling and just need one pannier to get things in and out quickly. you can adjust both left and right so only the top opens. The one in the back fits perfectly a helmet and a jacket (with protection etc) so it is good for a short trip. Regarding the protection bars, I bought them with it from the dealer, I have dropped it a couple of times in tough terrain and nothing has bent. even the scratch that was left on the bar was easy to remove and no damage whatsoever happened to the motorcycle. I think the best thing of buying these from the dealer is that they fit it for you free of charge. I did check other options before going in but overall the benefit of having to buy all separately and do all the mods myself on a brand new bike just didnt balance out the hazzle.
For my BMW gs, I got my Outback panniers rack and boxes from GIVI and the engine guards as well, and they are great - much cheaper than BMW or Triumph. I am about to purchase the Triumph 900 and will just purchase the rack from GIVI and my boxes will work perfectly. Like you did, I put the OEM BMW skid plate on as it is fine and strong, but I put barkbusters on rather than the BMW handguards. Aftermarket accessories are much cheaper, and more flexible in terms of changing or adding parts, and better quality.
Good points. I've owned numerous bikes and a bunch of different top cases. Every top case I had, with my 3 different passengers, all rather the pad removed from the top case. Extra room as you mentioned, but with a larger flatter surface against the back.
Nice video. Thanks for the tips. I just purchased the new 900 gt pro and before signing the contract I had the 3 suitcases removed from the estimate, which in Italy cost a total of more than 1800 euros. the same Givi things cost 30% less.
No. She got the original Triumph bars. You can see in her video when she drops it that they're the same as mine ✌🏼 th-cam.com/video/U5eq5XSMZk8/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the video. I took your advice on some of the points you made. I originally purchased the top box but returned it because it's just too big. I went with the triumph outback cases instead of the trekker because they top open instead of side open. I didn't purchase the top engine guard, just the lower one. The outback cases are so much nicer than the plastic trekker ones, plus the tops opening is a huge plus. I'm not going to do a top box. If I need extra storage I can just strap on a dry bag to the back or the tops of the outback cases.
The topic is so scary I have to check this video. Because I just bought 2024 GT Pro with same set. But after I got through your video I got relief. And I gonna tell you why. ... First of, the crash bars. You said it's not quite sturdy and tend to bend after the fall. Absolutely right. Because it was design to be softer than your bike's frame to protect it from bending. If the crash bars are too strong, when your bike falls it will transfer all the force to your bike frame instead. Not just frame could be bend, but also engine holder might be crack as well. Fixing/Changing crash bars or side panel are a lot cheaper than fixing bike frame/engine holder for sure. ... Next one, Side case.... I completely agree with you about Givi/Triumph mono key lock standard. I having this problem as well, but it's still ok for me because the total cost when buying Givi outside is much more expensive. But about the opening side case... Normally when everyone is packing stuff. We will strip down all case and finish packing before put it back to bike. Not packing on the bike. And also, Do you know this Givi Trekker can open half of the lid to access stuff inside the case while it's attached to the bike? ... I'm not gonna blame you for anything you didn't know. This is your first ADV bike after all. Thanks for your great video. Even I saw this too late.
Brilliant,I have the Givi top box and panniers for my T120 but I'm getting a 900 gt pro next spring and all I have to get is the model specific mountings from Givi for them to fit
I am looking at the 900 GT for my next bike. It will be my first ADV as well, but I have been accused of being a Triumph "fanboy". This video is most helpful. Info about the panniers is most helpful. I try to educate myself well before a new purchase. I want to be truly "ready to buy" when I tell the dealer I am ready. This video is much appreciated.
considering this with cruze control, quick shifter. Coming from an alder 750gs that has a lower seat and flat area for 2 up riding.. The GT pro makes it higher. ITs lighter than my 750gs by about 6 kg thats a good thing as its top heavy for my old bod !!
Thanks for the vid. You made some very good points. I bought a Kawasaki Vulcan S 650 in April and found out the O.E.M. Kawasaki accessories were waaaay more expensive than aftermarket! I'm looking into trading up to the Triumph Tiger 900 series next year and already looking into aftermarket accessory costs.
Great video! Thank you for pointing out potential options for the Triumph accessories. No sense buying cheaper engine guards, for instance, if after-market guards are better.
All good points. The OEM upper crash bars are definitely to be avoided. Damage to the tank as well as the beak area. For bars, I'd recommend you look into PUIG, from Spain. I think they are good because they do not attach to the front upper engine/ cylinder location. Many cases of broken bolts there, and they are extremely difficult to remove. Agree that Givi is a great line of luggage accessories. I use their hard cases, soft bags on their racks with the rapid release option. I actually like the lids on the cases you have, and I think the side opening is good, as I usually take the cases off to unload. Cheers.
I looked at Puig which is the home brand here (yes I live in Spain) but I didn't see them offering anything specific for Tigers other than windscreens. I'll have to take another look ✌️
I bought an old 1989 Goldwing that had side opening cases like yours and it decided to open while we were riding and we lost everything we had in it. Of course when we noticed we turned around and tried to find our stuff but not knowing when it happening made it hard, and we never found any of it. So if you buy an older bike and it comes with side opening cases make sure you check that they are still working as they should. Of course, having had that experience turned me off side opening cases for life :)
I have a similar story with a top case. I had a small bike with a top case and I hit a pothole in a roundabout. As a result the top case ejected and all my belongings ended up spread out on the tarmac. Good thing I wasn't riding alone and we did manage to save everything bar the top case. Anyhow, side cases and bad quality equipment are no nos ✌️
The side opening side-panniers do split at the top. So you can open just the top, if you want. The opening is smaller, but at least everything does not fall on the floor. R
Really appreciate your honest admission of what you think weren’t good purchase decisions. Unless the dealer is offering some package deal that’s too good to pass up, then I recommend people put off buying luggage until you’ve spent some time with the bike and had time to research options. I think it’s particularly egregious that Triumph had Givi change the mounting for their branded luggage so that it’s not interchangeable. As for the upper/tank protection, your dealer did you wrong. Looks like they sold you the v1 model instead of the v2. The v2 has a third mounting point and are much more rigid. They’ve been out for quite some time so there’s no reason that they should have sold you the inferior v1 except to clear their inventory. With all you bought from them, I’d go back and complain that they knowingly sold you and inferior product when they had to know that an improved version was available (at the same price!).
Maybe I wasn't clear enough but my main gripe with the Triumph engine guards is that I think having top and bottom is a ploy to sell us two items instead of just one. There's no reason why one better designed bar item shouln't be enough and the aftermarket options are proof of this ✌️
I bought the top opening Givi Dolomiti side cases for my 900 Tiger, for the reasons you mentioned. Love them and they remove so easily. I ordered a Sargent seat yesterday, that should be a nice upgrade as well.
On my triumph 900 rally pro I bought Outback tek engine guards and bash plate then the T-Rex racing luggage rack as it is stronger. Outback advises against not using a top case and just 8kg, 16 lbs and not use as backrest. The panniers racks are set up to use Mosko Moto soft side bags. Hard side luggage as more secure theft wise but if you drop the bike there is a very real possibility of catching you lower leg under the edge of the case with broken bones. Haven't found a top case yet. On any brand of motorcycles I wouldn't purchase accessories from the dealer unless an aftermarket idem.
Purchased about the same but the safetybars went back to Triumph because they again had a different color then black or grey already on the bike (kind of champagne) Triumph agreed that was wrong and sent a new set to the dealer which of course was the same color... I didn;t want that and purchased a set in the AM, where I paid 600 Euro originally I paid about 250 Euro for a top and lowerset in the AM, where the tubes where 2mm wider where black and fitted perfectly without having to remove the extra lights in the front first. The suitcases on the back I simply find to wide, you have to be very careful not to hit something. As a reminder when I use them i connect a piece of wire on the top bar that reminds me how wide they are. Crazy is also that there is a mounting piece on the back for a topcase, but if you buy the original topcase yet again you have to purchase an extra mounting piece on top, thats money down the drain. Next time i will be more patient and look for those things in aftermarket first.
Yes they can but you can't fit big items in them in that case. The left case fits a full face helmet but only if it's set to open completely to the side ✌🏼
I think your video was very informative, lots of useful tips. I’ve been looking at triumph 900cc also but in low seat height . I read all the comments, got a kick out of the ( I’m a weakling answer) 🤣💪
top opening saddlebags are always better. If you have side opening ones and you are packing a lot in them, you should get liner bags you can pack and just put the whole bag inside instead of individual items. Also, you can probably make some small mods to move that top case back a little bit and give your wife more space.
Yeah I use the liner bags but sometimes you just need to do a quick run to the grocery store and that's where the issue with side opening bags is more evident. Tried moving the top case to the back but she just won't settle for less space than what she had before! ✌️
I only recently realised that not all hard side cases have carry on handles. And I thought to myself how people bring them to a hotel?.. One of the answers were they take inner bags. But that made me really confused. Why would anyone buy hard cases, but pack stuff into a soft bag. And after that would try to fit that somehow into into a hardcase. A lot of space would be wasted, because no way to pack properly into a soft bag. (and if one wants soft bag, they lighter and usually cheaper anyway, and works with almost any bracket with adapter)
@@PovilasPanavas Why would you put handles on non-removable saddlebags. They are hard because you want them half way decently locked while leaving everything on the bike. If I am just going to take them off and carry them, then I want the lightest weight possible, which probably isn't hard bags.
@@AyaWetts i understand keeping it locked on the bike. But I don't want to keep any items outside. Too dangerous. I don't know about these particular bags he has, but general when you have those hard cases not out of plastic, you can very easily remove them from the rack. You unlock them, and after that there's an easy way to remove them and bring to hotel. I guess weight might be an issue for some people. For me it isn't to carry it for 100-200m until the lift of a hotel.
My experience of vibrations on the bike may be relative to other bikes I've owned, but the vibrations aren't bad and definitely nothing that would keep me from enjoying the ride. I've 650s where your hands would go numb. I've got a 833 Sportster with the same issue.
top opening interferes with a normal givi or shad top box. i have no problem with side but yes it will come out easier. there is only one side hard box taht opens from the front and rear. . Opening from the rear is blocked by a 48L top box; or bigger.
GT pro is not ment to take offroad on rocks , get the Rally or Rally pro instead. You are right about the standard crash bars. I used Hepko & Becker upper and lower crash bars on my rally pro. After 5 medium crashes offroad even these where bend, but no dammage to the bike so far. If going offroad you are better of with soft paniers..;no dents and it's a lot more safe . Also do not use a topcase offroad, the weight so far up and on the back makes you loose controle over the front wheel.
Yes, GT Pro is not for rocks but you don't always know what you're going to get when you start down a trail. For my use it's still better than the Rally Pro as I do very little offroading ✌️
I bought Triumph engine bars, the latest have been modified and are better design. I bought the Triumph Explorer cases that open at the top. Pleased with my Tiger and Triumph accessories
Good video, totally agree with you about the aftermarket accessories and have just had my fingers burned with the new Triumph Top box that was included on my new bike....the lovely, 2 helmet Givi box that I thought was identical, now doesn't fit! Very annoying as the new one is half the size (but it all works on the same key so I'll probably end up keeping it) and I wanted to be able to swap them around. The top loading panniers are so much better than clamshell, even with the little hinge door. I wouldn't want to be dropping the weight of the bike on them, hasn't it damaged them? Thanks for the vid and safe travels. Cheeers Rick
They've been scraped but are still holding up quite nicely. My view is that I'd rather replace the panniers when they brake than something more crucial to the bike's functionality ✌️
100% right! That´s why I always use TT alupanniers on my GS! Toploaders are the very natural way to use saddlepanniers... mpo all the best from Austria, Guenther!
Good video and some food for thought, although on doing a little research after watching, I think I will still go with the (top load) triumph panniers when I by my bike (1200 Rally, which will share the garage with my T120)… I am in the US and over here, at the time of writing, it is true that the black panniers are listed at 1160 usd on the triumph site but I also found the exact same part number for 740 usd on a “genuine triumph parts” site. That’s actually cheaper than the comparable Givi Alaska here in the US (36l and triumphs is 37l) and I think the triumphs look cleaner… less rivets on the outward facing side of the panniers. So even though made by Givi, they are likely designed in cooperation with Triumph and not just the Triumph logo slapped on the side of an Alaska pannier, and would not be more expensive to replace, if not purchased through the dealer (right now Triumph is even offering a pannier set included with purchase of a new 1200, so even if that offer is gone when I buy, I will talk them down to the $740 I can buy them at elsewhere. As I mentioned in another comment, I will not be getting a top case. I do not like the way they look at all (on any ADV bike).
Random info that might help you - triumph has a deal going right now on the new tiger 1200's where you can get free aluminum panniers and mounts. Just took advantage of this deal snaggin my gt pro not that long ago, maybe this is US only and I don't know where you are, just throwing it out there to potentially save you $1000+
Hai fatto un quadro completo e corretto dei problemi degli accessori originali Triumph rispetto a SW Motech, Givi ed altri. Un'altro aspetto negativo dei Triumph è il prezzo! Quindi approvo in pieno il tuo video, tutto giusto!!!!!!!!
Triumph does allow to get black luagge if you select the ones which opens up instead of sideways. However, the brackets would still be silver :( I wonder if there's some other way to make locks for the lugagge. Because when you buy side cases they always come with a third lock to put in your topbox, so the locks are easily changed. One would just need to make it based on Triumph key :/
Bonjour, j'ai pris crash bar top case et valises semi-rigide chez sw motech . Après une chute les valises non rien eu et le crash bar à fait le boulot . Hello, I took crash bar top case and semi-rigid suitcases at sw motech. After a fall, the suitcases had nothing and the crash bar did the job. Thank you for this video
Get a quote for services before buying, I just read in Uk first valve clearance service being £1000 at main dealer and £680 at small independent. That is stinking my expensive given the bikes are like £11k
The top box and passenger comfort was a killer. FWIW sw motech was no better. I think Givi might have a box rack that allows a bit more space backwards? The back rest might work in the lumbar position rather than up the top which is closer to the passenger.
@kondormotorides I was told by a dealer that it's to avoid too much weight at the back which makes the front light. Cruisers are heavier with longer wheelbase.
I will be buying the 1200, likely just after summer. I will not be getting a top box. I just think they look awkward being so high and far back. I will strap some kind of a duffle type bag across the seat and (top loading) panniers if I need more space. I am unattached and may never ride with a passenger (prefer not to actually). If I end up getting the Rally I definitely won’t and IF I become attached again at some point then she can ride my T120 next to me 😅.
@@kondormotorides Really? Yeah, widely known and referred to often here and many other places.Its why Triumph came out with "solids" and all the after market crash bars came out amd some even their 2nd version recently came out...
Not to argue but really how many drops do u expect out of a set of bars? Doodle bent her bar but they saved all the plastic so it worked. All the luggage try and get installed with the purchase price of the bike, u would be surprised what a dealer will include. Swmot bars for my 1200 rally pro did not connect under the fender but are open and seem to me are a vine grabber? I could be wrong but i went w the triumph brand. Good info on what to look for.
I could be wrong too. I'm just sharing my opinion because I think it might be useful for some people out there but I clearly don't have the last word ✌️
Ck out doodles sandstorm ride video she just posted, moto bars bent as well, she thinks they should be indestructible but they did their job saving the plastic. Just fyi.
I thought, initially, oh no not another disgruntled more money than sense fool. I've fallen many times into the same trap called marketing. When you buy into a brand you reinforce your own view of why you chose to buy a particular product by supporting that brand. (hope that makes sense) Also, there is a feeling of loyalty to that company that deters comparison with other similar products. Lots of product reviews are sponsored and this one, refreshingly, is not. Well done and lots of respect for your honesty. Your review could save buyers from making costly mistakes. Keep your reviews coming please.
I prefer reviewers who get straight to the point. Instead of storytellers who tell what they are going to tell and why they are going to tell what they are going to tell. Let's call it the last mistake. 😂Another thing that leaves me puzzled: these are real beginner mistakes (so the beginner is excused), but I can't imagine this is a motorbike for beginners. Anyway: always ask around before you buy. That being said, nice video.
I was so mad to find out about the Givi incompatibility. I have the same setup as you and saw the Givi Canyon soft bags and instantly wanted them. Spent a lot of money buying them only to find out they didn’t work.
@@kondormotorides its part of the learning curve of a new bike I suppose. I have told everyone I know about it before buying a new Tiger. Good video. Keep up the good work.
You need to watch ARieman1 and learn about loading "adv" bikes. He goes into honest detail about how the hard luggage systems are purely disastrous. There is a science to this sport, and you need to approach motorcycling with physics in mind. You make reference to "doodle", she is completely the most ill informed person in the adv world, hands down.....come on guys and girls.....take a step back and pull out the science, instead of all the nonsense.
Why didn’t you look at non factory options before ticking the boxes? As for givi not fitting, did you use givi mono lock or mono key? They have different systems, and yours in givi badge are mono lock.
I said it in the video. This is my first adventure bike and I wanted all the protections riding out of the dealer, but now I know better and wanted to share ✌🏼
Dealers want allways to sale all the stuff. They re promoting the one key System as a must have. And if you sit in the nice show room, you are prone to believe all the Blabla 😵💫
This is one of the most organized, concise, straight to the point, informative video, without all the nonsense, that I ever watched on you tube. Well done !!
I second this statement. You should do more of these!
Respect for admitting your mistakes. Unfortunately, factory accessories on bikes are almost always way more expensive and worse quality/performance than the aftermarket options.
Great advice to those interested in purchasing the Triumph Tiger. Very useful information.
Thank you! Having had Tiger 955i and R1200GS side-openers for many years - once I discovered top-openers from Triumph/Givi, there was no going back for ('no more gravity spillage'!) My Givi/Triumph Expeditions on my Tiger 800, and now 1200 GT Pro, are bigger and easier to pack; they just feel much wider than previous side openers. A trade-off I'm happy with. I always remove remove them when not on a road-trip, and use a top-box for day-trips. I was always really sniffy about 'panniers bags' ("waste of money" I thought) However I learnt to love them - took me a while to understand that packing your stuff off-bike, to plop them in when you're ready to go, is way better. No more hauling heavy pannier boxes and muddy panniers in B&B/hotel rooms! Took me a while duh... But a useful accessory now. Thanks for the vid.
Thanks for sharing ✌️
Thanks man, those were really useful infos before purchasing all the crap they would’ve sold me🤘🏻 wish there would be more ppl like you making such practical videos. Greetings
Glad to help ✌️
Good idea about the top opening and I agree with all of what you mentioned, good stuff!
Thank you for this. I wish I did even more research before shopping, but at least I got this feedback.
Outstanding and very much eye opening material sir, thank you especially since I'm doing a little bit of research on Tigers before actually buying one.
I think they're awesome bikes but yeah, accessories are probably better from the aftermarket ✌🏼
I have the same side panniers, you can actually adjust them so they only open the top third like a top loading case. There are locking clips inside that you can adjust, that black horizontal line at about the top third is actually a hinge point. Try it out, it's a pretty good design when used like that.
Just tried it and while it's not as useful as the top opening option it's definitely an improvement. Unfortunately it was raining and it reminded me of another weakness of these cases that I didn't mention: they're not waterproof!
Correct and you use any of them as a top box don’t see what the issue
Thanks bro.. on my way to get a Tiger 900GT..very helpful
Edited on 04 Nov
Finally got a Tiger 900 Rally pro..but followed your advice
Well done and congrats on the new bike ✌️
@kondormotorides thanks bruv
I love my trekker panniers; they are just like suitcases and use them for other travel purposes and things outside of just motorcycling.
They're good and I'm happy with them but I do think I'd be happier with top opening cases instead ✌️
I have the Triumph all-metal top-opening side cases and matching top case and, I'd have to say, they may be quite a bit more expensive but they are excellent quality and well worth the extra.
Thanks for your explanation of Not buying Triumph accessories, and clearly explained. My personal thoughts are that the front crash bars may protect the engine but do not extend to protect the sides of the fuel tank, which when dropped looks obvious and could leak !! So thank you.
Good point ✌️
Just confirms what I complained about 2 years ago when the bike was first released. Most manufacturers now ignore pillion comfort.
I'd suggest buying the case liner bags. Put your belongings into them then just put the filled bag in the side case. Makes packing and unpacking much faster and easier. Plus the liner bads are 100% waterproof
It's a good suggestion. My issue is more for quick shopping runs which l like to do on the bike when the weather allows ✌🏼
I have those panniers and they have been great. the side ones you can lock them inside so only the top bit opens. that is a great feature when you are traveling and just need one pannier to get things in and out quickly. you can adjust both left and right so only the top opens. The one in the back fits perfectly a helmet and a jacket (with protection etc) so it is good for a short trip. Regarding the protection bars, I bought them with it from the dealer, I have dropped it a couple of times in tough terrain and nothing has bent. even the scratch that was left on the bar was easy to remove and no damage whatsoever happened to the motorcycle. I think the best thing of buying these from the dealer is that they fit it for you free of charge. I did check other options before going in but overall the benefit of having to buy all separately and do all the mods myself on a brand new bike just didnt balance out the hazzle.
Good points. I never liked the way the top bit opens on the side panniers ✌️
@@kondormotoridesI worked on a real good deal when purchased upfront. I guess it’s best to wait for end of quarter purchase 😂
For my BMW gs, I got my Outback panniers rack and boxes from GIVI and the engine guards as well, and they are great - much cheaper than BMW or Triumph. I am about to purchase the Triumph 900 and will just purchase the rack from GIVI and my boxes will work perfectly. Like you did, I put the OEM BMW skid plate on as it is fine and strong, but I put barkbusters on rather than the BMW handguards. Aftermarket accessories are much cheaper, and more flexible in terms of changing or adding parts, and better quality.
Good points. I've owned numerous bikes and a bunch of different top cases. Every top case I had, with my 3 different passengers, all rather the pad removed from the top case. Extra room as you mentioned, but with a larger flatter surface against the back.
True. The pad seems like a useless accessory ✌🏼
Nice video. Thanks for the tips. I just purchased the new 900 gt pro and before signing the contract I had the 3 suitcases removed from the estimate, which in Italy cost a total of more than 1800 euros. the same Givi things cost 30% less.
Thanks. This is really helpful. I think Doodle's crash bars were SW Motech, and they did bend.
No. She got the original Triumph bars. You can see in her video when she drops it that they're the same as mine ✌🏼
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@@kondormotoridessw motech bars also did bend, she tells about it in a later video.
Thanks for the video. I took your advice on some of the points you made. I originally purchased the top box but returned it because it's just too big. I went with the triumph outback cases instead of the trekker because they top open instead of side open. I didn't purchase the top engine guard, just the lower one. The outback cases are so much nicer than the plastic trekker ones, plus the tops opening is a huge plus. I'm not going to do a top box. If I need extra storage I can just strap on a dry bag to the back or the tops of the outback cases.
Well done ✌️
The topic is so scary I have to check this video. Because I just bought 2024 GT Pro with same set.
But after I got through your video I got relief. And I gonna tell you why.
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First of, the crash bars. You said it's not quite sturdy and tend to bend after the fall. Absolutely right. Because it was design to be softer than your bike's frame to protect it from bending. If the crash bars are too strong, when your bike falls it will transfer all the force to your bike frame instead. Not just frame could be bend, but also engine holder might be crack as well. Fixing/Changing crash bars or side panel are a lot cheaper than fixing bike frame/engine holder for sure.
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Next one, Side case.... I completely agree with you about Givi/Triumph mono key lock standard. I having this problem as well, but it's still ok for me because the total cost when buying Givi outside is much more expensive.
But about the opening side case... Normally when everyone is packing stuff. We will strip down all case and finish packing before put it back to bike. Not packing on the bike. And also, Do you know this Givi Trekker can open half of the lid to access stuff inside the case while it's attached to the bike?
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I'm not gonna blame you for anything you didn't know. This is your first ADV bike after all. Thanks for your great video. Even I saw this too late.
Hi. Yes I know they open half the lid but I think that's less useful than true top opening cases. Thanks for your comment ✌️
Brilliant,I have the Givi top box and panniers for my T120 but I'm getting a 900 gt pro next spring and all I have to get is the model specific mountings from Givi for them to fit
I am looking at the 900 GT for my next bike. It will be my first ADV as well, but I have been accused of being a Triumph "fanboy". This video is most helpful. Info about the panniers is most helpful. I try to educate myself well before a new purchase. I want to be truly "ready to buy" when I tell the dealer I am ready. This video is much appreciated.
Advice from a gt pro owner: i would look at a couple of reviews of real reviewers instead of this ;)
I've put 18k km on my GT Pro and the bike itself is really nice to drive. The Triumph App sucks ass but it's not necessary.
considering this with cruze control, quick shifter. Coming from an alder 750gs that has a lower seat and flat area for 2 up riding.. The GT pro makes it higher. ITs lighter than my 750gs by about 6 kg thats a good thing as its top heavy for my old bod !!
Thanks for the vid. You made some very good points. I bought a Kawasaki Vulcan S 650 in April and found out the O.E.M. Kawasaki accessories were waaaay more expensive than aftermarket! I'm looking into trading up to the Triumph Tiger 900 series next year and already looking into aftermarket accessory costs.
Aftermarket parts look cooler too ✌️
Great video! Thank you for pointing out potential options for the Triumph accessories. No sense buying cheaper engine guards, for instance, if after-market guards are better.
All good points. The OEM upper crash bars are definitely to be avoided. Damage to the tank as well as the beak area. For bars, I'd recommend you look into PUIG, from Spain. I think they are good because they do not attach to the front upper engine/ cylinder location. Many cases of broken bolts there, and they are extremely difficult to remove. Agree that Givi is a great line of luggage accessories. I use their hard cases, soft bags on their racks with the rapid release option. I actually like the lids on the cases you have, and I think the side opening is good, as I usually take the cases off to unload. Cheers.
I looked at Puig which is the home brand here (yes I live in Spain) but I didn't see them offering anything specific for Tigers other than windscreens. I'll have to take another look ✌️
@@kondormotorides I think this is the product 2384N for the Tiger 850-900 GT & Pro.
The side case that opens from the top is a no-brainer.
Yep
I bought an old 1989 Goldwing that had side opening cases like yours and it decided to open while we were riding and we lost everything we had in it. Of course when we noticed we turned around and tried to find our stuff but not knowing when it happening made it hard, and we never found any of it.
So if you buy an older bike and it comes with side opening cases make sure you check that they are still working as they should. Of course, having had that experience turned me off side opening cases for life :)
I have a similar story with a top case. I had a small bike with a top case and I hit a pothole in a roundabout. As a result the top case ejected and all my belongings ended up spread out on the tarmac. Good thing I wasn't riding alone and we did manage to save everything bar the top case. Anyhow, side cases and bad quality equipment are no nos ✌️
Had the same problem with my tiger800 xcx. The protections bend easly. I would take it from SW motech for sure.
The side opening side-panniers do split at the top.
So you can open just the top, if you want.
The opening is smaller, but at least everything does not fall on the floor.
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True, but then you can barely fit anything in them. Certainly not a helmet which is what I mostly use the left one for ✌🏼
Really appreciate your honest admission of what you think weren’t good purchase decisions. Unless the dealer is offering some package deal that’s too good to pass up, then I recommend people put off buying luggage until you’ve spent some time with the bike and had time to research options. I think it’s particularly egregious that Triumph had Givi change the mounting for their branded luggage so that it’s not interchangeable.
As for the upper/tank protection, your dealer did you wrong. Looks like they sold you the v1 model instead of the v2. The v2 has a third mounting point and are much more rigid. They’ve been out for quite some time so there’s no reason that they should have sold you the inferior v1 except to clear their inventory. With all you bought from them, I’d go back and complain that they knowingly sold you and inferior product when they had to know that an improved version was available (at the same price!).
Maybe I wasn't clear enough but my main gripe with the Triumph engine guards is that I think having top and bottom is a ploy to sell us two items instead of just one. There's no reason why one better designed bar item shouln't be enough and the aftermarket options are proof of this ✌️
I bought the top opening Givi Dolomiti side cases for my 900 Tiger, for the reasons you mentioned. Love them and they remove so easily. I ordered a Sargent seat yesterday, that should be a nice upgrade as well.
I'll take a look at that seat. The stock one is a bit stiff ✌️
Thanks so much for this. I am looking to purchase this bike and your review will prove very helpful.
Happy to help✌️
On my triumph 900 rally pro I bought Outback tek engine guards and bash plate then the T-Rex racing luggage rack as it is stronger. Outback advises against not using a top case and just 8kg, 16 lbs and not use as backrest. The panniers racks are set up to use Mosko Moto soft side bags. Hard side luggage as more secure theft wise but if you drop the bike there is a very real possibility of catching you lower leg under the edge of the case with broken bones. Haven't found a top case yet. On any brand of motorcycles I wouldn't purchase accessories from the dealer unless an aftermarket idem.
A good video, thank you! :) Really annoying they don't have black crash guards and skid plate.
Very good information. Thanks for sharing!
Purchased about the same but the safetybars went back to Triumph because they again had a different color then black or grey already on the bike (kind of champagne) Triumph agreed that was wrong and sent a new set to the dealer which of course was the same color... I didn;t want that and purchased a set in the AM, where I paid 600 Euro originally I paid about 250 Euro for a top and lowerset in the AM, where the tubes where 2mm wider where black and fitted perfectly without having to remove the extra lights in the front first. The suitcases on the back I simply find to wide, you have to be very careful not to hit something. As a reminder when I use them i connect a piece of wire on the top bar that reminds me how wide they are. Crazy is also that there is a mounting piece on the back for a topcase, but if you buy the original topcase yet again you have to purchase an extra mounting piece on top, thats money down the drain. Next time i will be more patient and look for those things in aftermarket first.
Yeah I'm not saying the dealer options are bad, just that it makes sense to take your time and look around in the AM ✌️
Thank you for the great video. Going to check out the GIVI catelog 👍
Great video. Very informative. I think those side cases can open at the top too though.
Yes they can but you can't fit big items in them in that case. The left case fits a full face helmet but only if it's set to open completely to the side ✌🏼
I think your video was very informative, lots of useful tips. I’ve been looking at triumph 900cc also but in low seat height . I read all the comments, got a kick out of the ( I’m a weakling answer) 🤣💪
It's a great bike. I think it's probably the best bike in the market, period ✌🏼
top opening saddlebags are always better. If you have side opening ones and you are packing a lot in them, you should get liner bags you can pack and just put the whole bag inside instead of individual items.
Also, you can probably make some small mods to move that top case back a little bit and give your wife more space.
Yeah I use the liner bags but sometimes you just need to do a quick run to the grocery store and that's where the issue with side opening bags is more evident. Tried moving the top case to the back but she just won't settle for less space than what she had before! ✌️
I only recently realised that not all hard side cases have carry on handles. And I thought to myself how people bring them to a hotel?.. One of the answers were they take inner bags. But that made me really confused. Why would anyone buy hard cases, but pack stuff into a soft bag. And after that would try to fit that somehow into into a hardcase. A lot of space would be wasted, because no way to pack properly into a soft bag. (and if one wants soft bag, they lighter and usually cheaper anyway, and works with almost any bracket with adapter)
@@PovilasPanavas Why would you put handles on non-removable saddlebags. They are hard because you want them half way decently locked while leaving everything on the bike. If I am just going to take them off and carry them, then I want the lightest weight possible, which probably isn't hard bags.
@@AyaWetts i understand keeping it locked on the bike. But I don't want to keep any items outside. Too dangerous. I don't know about these particular bags he has, but general when you have those hard cases not out of plastic, you can very easily remove them from the rack. You unlock them, and after that there's an easy way to remove them and bring to hotel.
I guess weight might be an issue for some people. For me it isn't to carry it for 100-200m until the lift of a hotel.
Side cases in 🏴wales GB are known as panniers 😊👍🏻 nice video
Great informative video. Really liked it and learned a lot. Thx!
Gracias, I'll be sure to buy top opening cases, it makes sense
Same here. I need to correct that but I'll wait until I finally break one ✌🏼
My experience of vibrations on the bike may be relative to other bikes I've owned, but the vibrations aren't bad and definitely nothing that would keep me from enjoying the ride. I've 650s where your hands would go numb. I've got a 833 Sportster with the same issue.
Completely agree. I don't see the issue with the vibrations at all ✌️
The oem upper crash bars have been revised. Now they come with an extra tube and side mounting point to the frame
Sounds like good news ✌️
top opening interferes with a normal givi or shad top box. i have no problem with side but yes it will come out easier. there is only one side hard box taht opens from the front and rear. . Opening from the rear is blocked by a 48L top box; or bigger.
GT pro is not ment to take offroad on rocks , get the Rally or Rally pro instead.
You are right about the standard crash bars. I used Hepko & Becker upper and lower crash bars on my rally pro. After 5 medium crashes offroad even these where bend, but no dammage to the bike so far.
If going offroad you are better of with soft paniers..;no dents and it's a lot more safe . Also do not use a topcase offroad, the weight so far up and on the back makes you loose controle over the front wheel.
Yes, GT Pro is not for rocks but you don't always know what you're going to get when you start down a trail. For my use it's still better than the Rally Pro as I do very little offroading ✌️
Excellent video thank you
I bought Triumph engine bars, the latest have been modified and are better design. I bought the Triumph Explorer cases that open at the top. Pleased with my Tiger and Triumph accessories
Excellent. As long as you gave it some thought (unlike me 😅)
Good video, totally agree with you about the aftermarket accessories and have just had my fingers burned with the new Triumph Top box that was included on my new bike....the lovely, 2 helmet Givi box that I thought was identical, now doesn't fit! Very annoying as the new one is half the size (but it all works on the same key so I'll probably end up keeping it) and I wanted to be able to swap them around. The top loading panniers are so much better than clamshell, even with the little hinge door. I wouldn't want to be dropping the weight of the bike on them, hasn't it damaged them? Thanks for the vid and safe travels. Cheeers Rick
They've been scraped but are still holding up quite nicely. My view is that I'd rather replace the panniers when they brake than something more crucial to the bike's functionality ✌️
100% right! That´s why I always use TT alupanniers on my GS! Toploaders are the very natural way to use saddlepanniers... mpo all the best from Austria, Guenther!
Good video and some food for thought, although on doing a little research after watching, I think I will still go with the (top load) triumph panniers when I by my bike (1200 Rally, which will share the garage with my T120)… I am in the US and over here, at the time of writing, it is true that the black panniers are listed at 1160 usd on the triumph site but I also found the exact same part number for 740 usd on a “genuine triumph parts” site. That’s actually cheaper than the comparable Givi Alaska here in the US (36l and triumphs is 37l) and I think the triumphs look cleaner… less rivets on the outward facing side of the panniers.
So even though made by Givi, they are likely designed in cooperation with Triumph and not just the Triumph logo slapped on the side of an Alaska pannier, and would not be more expensive to replace, if not purchased through the dealer (right now Triumph is even offering a pannier set included with purchase of a new 1200, so even if that offer is gone when I buy, I will talk them down to the $740 I can buy them at elsewhere.
As I mentioned in another comment, I will not be getting a top case. I do not like the way they look at all (on any ADV bike).
As long as you give it some thought (unlike me) then my work here is done 😁
Random info that might help you - triumph has a deal going right now on the new tiger 1200's where you can get free aluminum panniers and mounts. Just took advantage of this deal snaggin my gt pro not that long ago, maybe this is US only and I don't know where you are, just throwing it out there to potentially save you $1000+
What site did you find the Panniers at for $740?
GREAT VDO. SURE WOULD GET ALL 3RD PARTY; GIVI , SHAD FOR ALL YOU HAVE. !
I bought everything from Givi, awesome.
Side opening bags suck. I am happy with the rebranded Givi accessories that my 1200 GT Explorer came with.
To each his own. I just wanted people to know there were other options out there ✌️
Hai fatto un quadro completo e corretto dei problemi degli accessori originali Triumph rispetto a SW Motech, Givi ed altri. Un'altro aspetto negativo dei Triumph è il prezzo! Quindi approvo in pieno il tuo video, tutto giusto!!!!!!!!
Grazie Marco ✌️
That pannier can top open, like the givi.
Very true. It's still nowhere near as useful as a true top opening pannier IMO ✌
far better to have cases fall on your vs. the pannier pedal frame; - experience !
Get an inner bag for the pannier, not big money
Helpful video! Good job
Triumph does allow to get black luagge if you select the ones which opens up instead of sideways. However, the brackets would still be silver :( I wonder if there's some other way to make locks for the lugagge. Because when you buy side cases they always come with a third lock to put in your topbox, so the locks are easily changed. One would just need to make it based on Triumph key :/
1:21 that's one chubby cat 😆
Yeah she always shows up to inspect the bikes like a little mechanic 😅
Bonjour, j'ai pris crash bar top case et valises semi-rigide chez sw motech . Après une chute les valises non rien eu et le crash bar à fait le boulot .
Hello, I took crash bar top case and semi-rigid suitcases at sw motech. After a fall, the suitcases had nothing and the crash bar did the job.
Thank you for this video
Merci Parscal ✌️
Nice insights great video, thanks 🇬🇧
Great video and dead on accurate.
Get a quote for services before buying, I just read in Uk first valve clearance service being £1000 at main dealer and £680 at small independent.
That is stinking my expensive given the bikes are like £11k
I paid less than 200€ for the first service and 260€ for the second service. I'll post a video on this soon ✌🏼
He's right, and I ride a GSA.
Hi! could you please show the damege of the side cases - you said that you fell several times.
Just some scratches, Nothing noteworthy ✌️
The top box and passenger comfort was a killer. FWIW sw motech was no better. I think Givi might have a box rack that allows a bit more space backwards? The back rest might work in the lumbar position rather than up the top which is closer to the passenger.
Yeah we need proper backrests and luggage racks from the aftermarket for adv bikes. I don't get why they only make them for cruisers ✌️
@kondormotorides I was told by a dealer that it's to avoid too much weight at the back which makes the front light. Cruisers are heavier with longer wheelbase.
@@shegocrazy Makes no sense to me. If that was the case we wouldn't have top cases either ✌
@@kondormotorides Makes no sense on big adv bikes like the 1200. Maybe on a little dirt bike it's reasonable.
I will be buying the 1200, likely just after summer. I will not be getting a top box. I just think they look awkward being so high and far back. I will strap some kind of a duffle type bag across the seat and (top loading) panniers if I need more space.
I am unattached and may never ride with a passenger (prefer not to actually). If I end up getting the Rally I definitely won’t and IF I become attached again at some point then she can ride my T120 next to me 😅.
You're quite right here! That's a dirty trickery! Shame on Triumph and Givi´s Trekker
TOP BOX POSITION DEPENDS ON THE BACK MOUNTING RAIL, POSITION.
Plus many bolts in the Triumph or aftermarket uppper guards, have SHEARED off and in the engine casing. Far too common.
Hadn't heard of that
@@kondormotorides Really? Yeah, widely known and referred to often here and many other places.Its why Triumph came out with "solids" and all the after market crash bars came out amd some even their 2nd version recently came out...
@@kee7678 great info. Thanks ✌🏼
Thank you 😊
Not to argue but really how many drops do u expect out of a set of bars? Doodle bent her bar but they saved all the plastic so it worked.
All the luggage try and get installed with the purchase price of the bike, u would be surprised what a dealer will include.
Swmot bars for my 1200 rally pro did not connect under the fender but are open and seem to me are a vine grabber? I could be wrong but i went w the triumph brand.
Good info on what to look for.
I could be wrong too. I'm just sharing my opinion because I think it might be useful for some people out there but I clearly don't have the last word ✌️
Ck out doodles sandstorm ride video she just posted, moto bars bent as well, she thinks they should be indestructible but they did their job saving the plastic. Just fyi.
I've bought the same configuration....
It's still a good config ✌️
Doodle has Lone Rider luggage.
I thought, initially, oh no not another disgruntled more money than sense fool. I've fallen many times into the same trap called marketing. When you buy into a brand you reinforce your own view of why you chose to buy a particular product by supporting that brand. (hope that makes sense) Also, there is a feeling of loyalty to that company that deters comparison with other similar products. Lots of product reviews are sponsored and this one, refreshingly, is not.
Well done and lots of respect for your honesty. Your review could save buyers from making costly mistakes. Keep your reviews coming please.
It made sense Sid. Thanks for your comment ✌️
Do you find heat on your legs from the thermo fans an issue?
No more than on any other high cc bike ✌🏼
Good job, ty
I prefer reviewers who get straight to the point. Instead of storytellers who tell what they are going to tell and why they are going to tell what they are going to tell. Let's call it the last mistake. 😂Another thing that leaves me puzzled: these are real beginner mistakes (so the beginner is excused), but I can't imagine this is a motorbike for beginners. Anyway: always ask around before you buy. That being said, nice video.
i would never want the keys to match ! want seperate to leave them open, as i wish.
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I was so mad to find out about the Givi incompatibility. I have the same setup as you and saw the Givi Canyon soft bags and instantly wanted them. Spent a lot of money buying them only to find out they didn’t work.
Sorry this video was too late for you. Hoping it saves a few pennies to others ✌️
@@kondormotorides its part of the learning curve of a new bike I suppose. I have told everyone I know about it before buying a new Tiger. Good video. Keep up the good work.
Rule 1; dont buy accessories from dealers !
You need to watch ARieman1 and learn about loading "adv" bikes. He goes into honest detail about how the hard luggage systems are purely disastrous. There is a science to this sport, and you need to approach motorcycling with physics in mind. You make reference to "doodle", she is completely the most ill informed person in the adv world, hands down.....come on guys and girls.....take a step back and pull out the science, instead of all the nonsense.
Triumph builds junk ...unfortunately
That's not the point of this video and I disagree with you. Triumph is one of my favorite brands ✌️
Absolute and utter nonsense to say that builds Triumph junk nothing could be further from the truth....
Thanks for the comments really helpful what branded accessories would you recommend and from which brand ? Sw motech ?
SW Motech articles look really good. It's what I would choose ✌️
Why didn’t you look at non factory options before ticking the boxes? As for givi not fitting, did you use givi mono lock or mono key? They have different systems, and yours in givi badge are mono lock.
I said it in the video. This is my first adventure bike and I wanted all the protections riding out of the dealer, but now I know better and wanted to share ✌🏼
Dealers want allways to sale all the stuff. They re promoting the one key System as a must have. And if you sit in the nice show room, you are prone to believe all the Blabla 😵💫