Brains like we do have nerve tubes/canals that lead in our whole body, destroying the brain, organ loses function having no command to do which why nerves go down, and that’s why we can’t feel the pain. Although a human would die instantly, but the heart will beat for few times. Just imagine using this method on fish and a bullet that goes through humans brain( let’s hope that this doesn’t happen to everyone) We go down, having no connections to nerves to do an action. Same goes for fish or any other animal. I hope you read my comment and understand why is this the humane way of killing the fish.
Vaso funny enough, since their brain is a simple structure, it could be that you just merely messed up its ability to control its body, as you can’t actually be sure each, and every time. So as you gut it, cut it’s head off, your just killing it normally, with an added affect of it being a vegetable inside it’s own body before it died. So extra horror to the fish by your hands lol
Nonsense. It's akin to lobotomy, it occasionally caused paralysis and many things. Ikejime do not guarantee dead brain. Stick with club, it's many times more humane than this so-called "ikijame."
Yea, idiots don’t know what they are talking about, Ike Jime is the way to go, better fish, more humane, cmon it’s obvious, great video brother and good luck out on the water!
Takes too long, and if you catch a bunch of fish and you have to fillet them yourself, this is honestly too much of a hassle. Besides, id say this is a lot more brutal and inefficient than simply thunking the fish on the noggin, killing it instantly.
This process is interesting. It's new to me. We have an immediate kill law here in Maine. I'll try it on the next legal striper I catch. They have to be at least 28 inches to keep here.
That is a great law! I hope more fishermen do that with fish. Wow. In CA, they have to be 18 inches or bigger in saltwater. And, many lakes like this in the video has no size limit on stripers. Love to hear how your experience of ikejime goes !! Tight Lines! Thank you very much for watching my video!
There are videos out on TH-cam with taste testing of fish using the ikijime vs standard bleeding suffocation method. The testers found that a 2week old refrigerated ikijime killed fish tasted better than a 2day old refrigerated suffocated fish. That speaks volumes to me.
I've never heard any Fisher worth their salt ( excuse the pun ) who would say suffocation is the way to go. Bleed out, stunning, or break their brain functionality, but suffocation? Major yikes. That's a weak way to kill a fish. Take the little extra time, kill them quickly and with as little time out of the water while still alive. I dont even bother removing the hook until I'm sure they're dead.
so its admittedly a selfish act ... this "Humane Killing" its really just for increased taste pleasure, it really gets me how flesh-eaters will sit there and claim selflessness when discussing "humane slaughter" when in reality it just makes them taste better... good to know . I applaud your candor.
Ensin Grey I have always dispatched fish by braining and bleeding. More humane for the fish and better tasting on the table. Humans are omnivores as are all primates. That’s why our eyes are on the fronts of our heads like most predators. If you are a veggie, good for you. Get over the fact that most humans do what comes naturally. Veggies always seem angry to me like they are unhappy in their lives. You can go to almost any restaurant and find a vegetarian meal on the menu. Nice of the restaurant owners to be inclusive to all types. How come I can not go to a vegetarian restaurant and order a steak? I know why, the owners are not as accommodating and inclusive like most people. Veggies are to caught up pushing their unnatural lifestyle choice and being angry. Sad.
@@fishhunt9874 the only thing that should "Come Naturally " is the need align your values with your actions... how dare you expect Vegans to accommodate needless slaughter, Vegan is not a Diet !- its a philosophy of seeking consistency between your morals and your actions. humans are first and foremost. adaptable, we can survive off many different diets, but how can you say your pets cannot be eaten ,yet deny others that same right.. for NOTHING more then your momentary taste pleasure...
Ensin Grey I am not denying anyone their rights. You are the only one here suggesting that. I am very much an “To each his own” person. If you are a vegetarian, why are you watching videos on how to kill animals? Are you a hypocrite? Do you have a twisted perversion? Or is it you just like to push your life philosophies on others who really do not care about your point of view. Do you eat veggie burgers? Why do you think the creators of veggie burgers designed them to “bleed and taste like meat?” Do you put seasoning on your veggies when you eat them? If you do should I say “How dare you” you season them for momentary mouth pleasure! I have nothing against most vegetarians. I worked along side and adored one at the firehouse for 20yrs. She explained her views when we first met and that was it. She was a lot of fun to work with. We would share food at fires, we would trade chicken for coleslaw etc. She was like most of us a very much an “To each his own” person. Not someone like you....
As explained before on a separate video, this method has been used for thousands of years as it was discovered to improve the flavor of fish because the fish goes through less pain and stress using this method than the traditional method used by many companies today, which is throwing fish into an ice box and have them suffocate to death which could take up to five minutes to a few hours.
@@MrNormal593 might want to cut out the sarcastic ‘oh ok’, that easily makes you sound 60 years old, maybe at least 50. As said, the ancient Japanese have been skewering fish brains since about 500 BC. Pretty interesting stuff.
I like that you did it the last way at the end because people can see the effect, clearly it’s much more active than ikejime so hopefully people will see the hard way what happens when you speak about something you know nothing about, cool vid 👍🏼 Edit: to clarify I’m saying these people who say to do it regular have no clue what they’re talking about, and you doing it the standard way is showing that clearly they’re wrong
This video was very helpful, thank you. As a kid, I was always taught to cut the fish's throat, or to snap their necks for smaller trout. Now that I'm old enough to start buying my own fishing equipment, it's important to me that I should kill the fish as humanely as possible. Thank you for the tutorial
I watched an entire ike jime playlist from this Korean fellow, and he pointed out that you know you hit the brain when the fish suddenly dilates its pupils and opens its mouth wide. (In the examples you show, it doesn't appear that this is happening in the fish you process.) He doesn't just stab the fish, he also stirs the spike around to scramble the brain. Also, for rapidly bleeding out the fish and to remove the spinal column, he uses a Japanese water pressure based tool that squirts a stream of water into the nerve chanel, which pushes the entire spinal cord out the hole he poked in the brain in a second, then he squirts a stream of water into the artery under the fish spine, rapidly draining the fish of blood. This tool he uses seems to me to be a faster and more thorough way of doing the spinal cord neutralizing and the blood removal. Take a look: th-cam.com/play/PLeBseaOtVDZJu_KX4xNLFUjJsn1-DHuT3.html
May seem inappropriate but I assume the spike in of itself is more about japanese stylistic/spiritual tradition and that I could use my knife for all the tasks of dispatching, bleeding, and filet, with exception of spinal?
Thank you I was looking to catch something to use in my garden for my pepper plants but didn't want it to suffer for long. I've usually just done catch and release. This was very helpful!
@@Opaleye Not most of the times... If you succeed the fish's mouth open 100% of the time. It doesn't open but it stops moving. That means the brain is still alive and you're torturing it. That's the common sense knowledge for professional sushi chef which was also on youtube. So in that case, you have to keep stabbing and search for the brain until the mouth opens which is torture... Again, unless it's already dead, the mouth would open 100% of the time.
@@Opaleye What species? All the typical edible fishes opens their mouth when you succeed destroying their brain, so that's the first time I've heard that.
Bro it’s very noble of you to go to basically every comment and make sure people know they should damage the brain at least. Btw I’m trying to catch my first fish tmmrw would damaging the brain and doing the wire thing with a chopstick work as well?
I think completely obliterating the brain immediately, is the most humane way if you are going to eat it or use as bait. Don't use live bait it's cruel, what if you were the fish and you had no way of telling humans how it really feels?
Nice videos. I ordered the tool from Japan a couple weeks ago. I read that the best way to find the brain is to enter between and right above the eyes and point the spike at the end of the lateral line for most fish. Does this sound correct to you? Also if you successfully spike the brain is there still a chance the wire will go into the muscle instead of the spinal column or does the skull always guide the wire in correctly? I am going bluefin fishing in a few weeks and worry about pushing a wire into the loins. I’ve only done the brain spiking before but never the wire but want to try this time if I catch one. Also for large bft that are longer than 4 or 5 ft, I was thinking about using 80lb flouro instead. Do you think that would work? Thanks for the videos they are helpful.
Yes, that is very accurate. Yes there is still a chance that the wire will go into the muscle. The fish will show an intense reaction when you insert the wire correctly! it would work, but using a thicker wire for blue fin tunas will be better :) Thank you very much for watching my video!
Thank you for this very informative video i really enjoyed watching it look forward to more videos like this! Stay safe in those waters :) 🐟 Definately deserved a subscription from me! 😊
So, you'll know when you insert the rod through the spine from the head when they have that reflex? Also, I noticed the fish straighten out as well. That's another sign? Basically you have to "feel" for it?
Just discovered this method, trying to determine which size (gauge;mm) wire I will need, your video helped my understanding, are u using the 1.2mm wire (circuit breaker) that came with the magenta colored handle on that striper?
Decapitation is also deemed humane as long as it is followed by pithing, which is the destruction of the brain. After decapitation, insert a probe into the head and swish it around to destroy the central nervous system. Similar to a lobotomy, pithing is done because, unlike mammals, fish can remain conscious after decapitation due to their unique physiology (Pauline Chen and Daniela Sharma, Ph.D. - Rutgers University)
@@zz-np2sr Also, the wire makes the fish immobile while its heart still beats for several minutes to pump out the blood. Without that, fish will move violently, which could possibly ruin its blood vessels inside the fish.
Would this work on regular fish? Because I went fishing with my papa All the time and he did things the old school way and I’m refreshing my memory of fishing with him , wondering where I can get one of these from with everything included , I’m going back fishing this summer been wanting to go fishing lately for some reason
Even if they don't feel pain it is sad if a helpless creature dies उनको दुःख नहीं लकता है फिर भी यह नहीं करना चाईए क्यूकी जब कोइ मरता टा है तो हम को दुःख लगता है ।
You can also cut the tail and go in that way then you can actually see the spinal column (you should go down the small hole towards the top of the spine and not through the middle)
You might be missing the brain with the spike. My fish usually opens mouth wide when brain dead. I also go from the tail, easier to get the neural canal
Does the position of the brain vary depending on the type fish? I’ve viewed an app showing the positions of the brain depending on the type for purpose of this method. I don’t want to miss the brain and do more harm than good.
Thank you Teenja!! I totally agree! I think those fish deserve that kind of painless death. They are dying to be served on our tables! I dont criticize people eating fish, but at least, we should not torture them to death! Thank you for watching my video!
I struggle with putting my fish down in the best way possible. I keep a lot of what I catch and I always wonder what the best way to end them is. Thanks
@@Opaleye Yes, I nick a small little hole in there head(so the shock can reach there faster without suffering) and put the taser in there and it finishes them pretty easily
I hope you put that last fish out of its misery - please don't listen to commentators telling you how to kill it - torture of a living creature is never necessary to show as an example tip: If you want to kill a fish without inserting a bullet or knife into it - put it in a bucket of clean water and add a few drops of clove oil at a time - this is actually more humane than even ikejime but clove oil is expensive and this method is usually used for pet fish :/
Hello. I'm a fisherman, yet I'm a scientist. I know what I am doing and understand the pain mechanism of vertebrates pretty well. There is a reason why clove oil is used for pet fish. Clove oil is not safe to consume.
@@Opaleye Yes I agree - I think you may find this simplified page interesting: www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/fishkeeping-news/painful-fish-deaths-you-might-be-guilty/
Great video! I’m new to fishing and ikejime and have a couple of questions: 1. Is it safe to let fish bleed out in muddy lake water or do you need to use water suitable for drinking? 2. If fishing for a day and killing with ikejime immediately after catch, putting fish in ice slurry and filleting 8 to 12 hours later once getting home do you need to gut the fish before putting in ice slurry?
I know you think that this is the "humane" way of killing a fish but the fact of the matter is that fish have extremely different brains than we or other mammals do. First off fish lack a neocortex which is what produces conciousness in mammals. They also lack the nerve structure to feel pain. So while it might make sense to kill the fish quickly for convenience, it doesn't really make it "humane" because it's highly unlikely that the fish is suffering as a human or mammal would. And I'm not trying to sound cruel, but as a fisherman I've done a ton of research on this. Check out Dr. James Rose's papers for more info. Tight lines!
It was an old idea that fish dont feel pain. And, recently, many scientists have done some experiments that support the idea that they do feel pain. Myself is a scientist who have done years of research on the nervous system. I have done alot of reading on this topic as well. Also, this method would be helpful if fish do feel pain. On the other hand, it would not harm any even if they dont. Thank you so much for watching my video and writing your comment :) Tight lines to you too!
@@Opaleye Another thing to consider is how fish behave after being hooked. Think about it, if you got hooked in the mouth it would hurt like hell and you probably wouldn't be thinking about eating. But there's many cases of fish breaking the line and then being caught again within minutes with the hook still in their mouths. I've had this happen myself a few times with largemouth and bluefish. Also had another time when I caught a striper with an ice pick sticking out of its anal vent. When I see things like that it makes me very skeptical that fish experience conscious pain like humans or mammals would
@@GREEKgangsta15 I dont think we have the same definition of pain here. Your definition seems like the pain that we, humans, feel. I do believe that fish feel pain, but I dont think that is the pain that humans feel. You cant assume that they would feel their pain in the way we do.
@@Opaleye Sorry I don't want to get in a debate or anything. Just as an animal lover but also an avid fisherman, I would hate to deliberately do anything that would cause suffering to any creature. However there's a difference between what we know as "pain" and something called nociception which is basically injury stimuli. Even bacteria and microorganisms experience nociception. But conscious suffering is a WHOLE other matter. Pain and fear are conscious states that humans and other mammals experience because of our large neocortex. Fish don't have this part of the brain so it's very unlikely that they possess the consciousness necessary to "feel" anything. Most of a fishes behavior (including reactions to being hooked/handled) could very well be attributed to unconscious learning aka instinct
@@GREEKgangsta15 No worries. I like educational conversations like this. I do agree that fish dont feel the pain like we do. But, I think stress is a type of pain although it does not directly injure fish. Also, whether they feel pain or not, I believe that this method has no harms, but benefits. Thank you again for your comments and time :)
I usally have a knife with a small blade and I stab it's brain and then bleed out the fish but now that Ive seen this I gotta get myself that nice vid btw
Technically, lactic acid can build up in the fish for up to 10 minutes or possible even longer even after you destroy the nerves. I just bleed the fish and immerse in ice water as soon as possible
Lactic acid production is due to anaerobic respiration, if anything bleeding it out will increase lactic acid production due to the lack of oxygen. Chilling it definitely helps though, and of course destroying the nerves will prevent muscle reflexes.
You have it all wrong mate, it’s not about the pain it’s about stress and stuff, fish can have stress but not pain, studies have shown that, scientists have studied them for years and years, and it has concluded that fish cant feel pain at all.
Oxazepam65 when the rod goes in it scrabbles the spinal nerves around and makes the fish brain dead, unable to feel pain but its heart will still function so the fish doesn’t release stress hormones and acids that decrease its shelf time and make it taste worse.
Additionally, the brain is already damaged and dead as soon as I poke it with the spike. The wire has nothing to do with its brain. And, it is indeed more humane. there are many scientific evidences supporting it. And, I damage the brain in a second, and my ikejime takes about 15 seconds, not 5 minutes.
You pissed me off lol I fish trout alot, but I like the ike Jima method eh what ever mate my new favorite species is the largemouth been that way for 10 years
Must be the most humane way to kill a fish, but releasing it to prevent overfishing would be even better! Stripper Bass are slow growing fish so it takes years for a female to grow until it can breed more fish to keep stocks on a healthy levels.
That is true! But, it is a bit different in lakes compared to ocean. It is a bit abundant in lakes. That is why you can take up to 10 stripers per person from that lake.
Brains like we do have nerve tubes/canals that lead in our whole body, destroying the brain, organ loses function having no command to do which why nerves go down, and that’s why we can’t feel the pain. Although a human would die instantly, but the heart will beat for few times. Just imagine using this method on fish and a bullet that goes through humans brain( let’s hope that this doesn’t happen to everyone) We go down, having no connections to nerves to do an action.
Same goes for fish or any other animal. I hope you read my comment and understand why is this the humane way of killing the fish.
Vaso very accurate. Many people dont read my explanations ;(
Thank you so much for your comment and watching my video!
KACA Life No problem!
Vaso
funny enough, since their brain is a simple structure, it could be that you just merely messed up its ability to control its body, as you can’t actually be sure each, and every time. So as you gut it, cut it’s head off, your just killing it normally, with an added affect of it being a vegetable inside it’s own body before it died.
So extra horror to the fish by your hands lol
The don’t have souls
Nonsense. It's akin to lobotomy, it occasionally caused paralysis and many things.
Ikejime do not guarantee dead brain. Stick with club, it's many times more humane than this so-called "ikijame."
Demonstration with high quality footage and explanation. Good video
Thank you very much. I am glad it was helpful.
Yea, idiots don’t know what they are talking about, Ike Jime is the way to go, better fish, more humane, cmon it’s obvious, great video brother and good luck out on the water!
Thank you so much for watching my video and your comment!
Yeah.. Many people dont know what is going on in the video and try to read what I wrote :(
Takes too long, and if you catch a bunch of fish and you have to fillet them yourself, this is honestly too much of a hassle. Besides, id say this is a lot more brutal and inefficient than simply thunking the fish on the noggin, killing it instantly.
This process is interesting. It's new to me. We have an immediate kill law here in Maine. I'll try it on the next legal striper I catch. They have to be at least 28 inches to keep here.
That is a great law! I hope more fishermen do that with fish. Wow. In CA, they have to be 18 inches or bigger in saltwater. And, many lakes like this in the video has no size limit on stripers. Love to hear how your experience of ikejime goes !! Tight Lines!
Thank you very much for watching my video!
There are videos out on TH-cam with taste testing of fish using the ikijime vs standard bleeding suffocation method. The testers found that a 2week old refrigerated ikijime killed fish tasted better than a 2day old refrigerated suffocated fish. That speaks volumes to me.
I've never heard any Fisher worth their salt ( excuse the pun ) who would say suffocation is the way to go. Bleed out, stunning, or break their brain functionality, but suffocation? Major yikes.
That's a weak way to kill a fish.
Take the little extra time, kill them quickly and with as little time out of the water while still alive. I dont even bother removing the hook until I'm sure they're dead.
so its admittedly a selfish act ... this "Humane Killing" its really just for increased taste pleasure, it really gets me how flesh-eaters will sit there and claim selflessness when discussing "humane slaughter" when in reality it just makes them taste better... good to know . I applaud your candor.
Ensin Grey
I have always dispatched fish by braining and bleeding. More humane for the fish and better tasting on the table. Humans are omnivores as are all primates. That’s why our eyes are on the fronts of our heads like most predators. If you are a veggie, good for you. Get over the fact that most humans do what comes naturally. Veggies always seem angry to me like they are unhappy in their lives. You can go to almost any restaurant and find a vegetarian meal on the menu. Nice of the restaurant owners to be inclusive to all types. How come I can not go to a vegetarian restaurant and order a steak? I know why, the owners are not as accommodating and inclusive like most people. Veggies are to caught up pushing their unnatural lifestyle choice and being angry.
Sad.
@@fishhunt9874 the only thing that should "Come Naturally " is the need align your values with your actions... how dare you expect Vegans to accommodate needless slaughter, Vegan is not a Diet !- its a philosophy of seeking consistency between your morals and your actions.
humans are first and foremost. adaptable, we can survive off many different diets, but how can you say your pets cannot be eaten ,yet deny others that same right.. for NOTHING more then your momentary taste pleasure...
Ensin Grey
I am not denying anyone their rights. You are the only one here suggesting that. I am very much an “To each his own” person. If you are a vegetarian, why are you watching videos on how to kill animals? Are you a hypocrite? Do you have a twisted perversion? Or is it you just like to push your life philosophies on others who really do not care about your point of view. Do you eat veggie burgers? Why do you think the creators of veggie burgers designed them to “bleed and taste like meat?” Do you put seasoning on your veggies when you eat them? If you do should I say “How dare you” you season them for momentary mouth pleasure! I have nothing against most vegetarians. I worked along side and adored one at the firehouse for 20yrs. She explained her views when we first met and that was it. She was a lot of fun to work with. We would share food at fires, we would trade chicken for coleslaw etc. She was like most of us a very much an “To each his own” person. Not someone like you....
As explained before on a separate video, this method has been used for thousands of years as it was discovered to improve the flavor of fish because the fish goes through less pain and stress using this method than the traditional method used by many companies today, which is throwing fish into an ice box and have them suffocate to death which could take up to five minutes to a few hours.
@@MrNormal593 might want to cut out the sarcastic ‘oh ok’, that easily makes you sound 60 years old, maybe at least 50. As said, the ancient Japanese have been skewering fish brains since about 500 BC. Pretty interesting stuff.
I witnessed this from a far.
😂😂
Sponge Bob ptsd BTW
Listen to that old Krabs, stay away from hooks
So thats why i keep finding holes in their heads
lol you must be rich to afford and keep eating these fish
@@stew880 what are you talking about? You don’t need expensive equipment and these things will bite almost anything.
I like that you did it the last way at the end because people can see the effect, clearly it’s much more active than ikejime so hopefully people will see the hard way what happens when you speak about something you know nothing about, cool vid 👍🏼
Edit: to clarify I’m saying these people who say to do it regular have no clue what they’re talking about, and you doing it the standard way is showing that clearly they’re wrong
Yeah. Many people dont understand what this method is all about. THank you so much for your comment and watching my video!
This video was very helpful, thank you. As a kid, I was always taught to cut the fish's throat, or to snap their necks for smaller trout. Now that I'm old enough to start buying my own fishing equipment, it's important to me that I should kill the fish as humanely as possible. Thank you for the tutorial
Fish lobotomy
I've been doing ikejime since I was 7😂🤣.....I used to do that to my fish not knowing that I'm performing ikejime😂🤣
Wow. You have been doing a right thing :)
Thank you for watching my video!
So you basically invented it, though it had already been invented. Happened to me with Latte Coffee.
I watched an entire ike jime playlist from this Korean fellow, and he pointed out that you know you hit the brain when the fish suddenly dilates its pupils and opens its mouth wide. (In the examples you show, it doesn't appear that this is happening in the fish you process.)
He doesn't just stab the fish, he also stirs the spike around to scramble the brain. Also, for rapidly bleeding out the fish and to remove the spinal column, he uses a Japanese water pressure based tool that squirts a stream of water into the nerve chanel, which pushes the entire spinal cord out the hole he poked in the brain in a second, then he squirts a stream of water into the artery under the fish spine, rapidly draining the fish of blood. This tool he uses seems to me to be a faster and more thorough way of doing the spinal cord neutralizing and the blood removal.
Take a look:
th-cam.com/play/PLeBseaOtVDZJu_KX4xNLFUjJsn1-DHuT3.html
May seem inappropriate but I assume the spike in of itself is more about japanese stylistic/spiritual tradition and that I could use my knife for all the tasks of dispatching, bleeding, and filet, with exception of spinal?
Thank you I was looking to catch something to use in my garden for my pepper plants but didn't want it to suffer for long. I've usually just done catch and release. This was very helpful!
Ikejime translates to the words
“Brain Spike”
B if you didn’t know, you know you hit the fish’s brain when it’s fins stiffen up, and the mouth widens.
True! Most of the times!
Opaleye 👍🏻
@@Opaleye
Not most of the times...
If you succeed the fish's mouth open 100% of the time.
It doesn't open but it stops moving. That means the brain is still alive and you're torturing it. That's the common sense knowledge for professional sushi chef which was also on youtube. So in that case, you have to keep stabbing and search for the brain until the mouth opens which is torture...
Again, unless it's already dead, the mouth would open 100% of the time.
@@gjrloiouyfchicfhhudrgky3470 I disagree. I see some species close their mouth instead. But, most of fish open their mouth.
@@Opaleye
What species? All the typical edible fishes opens their mouth when you succeed destroying their brain, so that's the first time I've heard that.
can i use any kind of wire or it must be a wire specifically made for ikejime?
Anything that has some straightness works well! In this video, I use a plant to do ikejime: th-cam.com/video/SMd0LYEeDd0/w-d-xo.html
Bro it’s very noble of you to go to basically every comment and make sure people know they should damage the brain at least. Btw I’m trying to catch my first fish tmmrw would damaging the brain and doing the wire thing with a chopstick work as well?
I think completely obliterating the brain immediately, is the most humane way if you are going to eat it or use as bait. Don't use live bait it's cruel, what if you were the fish and you had no way of telling humans how it really feels?
I saw elsewhere that a slit was cut at the tail too to facilitate the bleeding.
Nice videos. I ordered the tool from Japan a couple weeks ago. I read that the best way to find the brain is to enter between and right above the eyes and point the spike at the end of the lateral line for most fish. Does this sound correct to you? Also if you successfully spike the brain is there still a chance the wire will go into the muscle instead of the spinal column or does the skull always guide the wire in correctly? I am going bluefin fishing in a few weeks and worry about pushing a wire into the loins. I’ve only done the brain spiking before but never the wire but want to try this time if I catch one. Also for large bft that are longer than 4 or 5 ft, I was thinking about using 80lb flouro instead. Do you think that would work? Thanks for the videos they are helpful.
Yes, that is very accurate. Yes there is still a chance that the wire will go into the muscle. The fish will show an intense reaction when you insert the wire correctly! it would work, but using a thicker wire for blue fin tunas will be better :)
Thank you very much for watching my video!
KACA Life I’ll also have 200lb flouro. Would that fit? I think it’s like 1.2 mm. Or maybe I should get some wire (all assuming I can land one)
Nelson Sun yes. That will work better. You will catch them for sure :)
KACA Life I see titanium nickel leader apparently works well since it retains its straightness. Maybe I’ll try 45 lb wire leader?
@@nelsonsun4952 That will work too! anything that has some straightness works!
This video helped a lot. Where did you get your ikijime kit? I can’t seem to find one with a wire, only the spike. Thanks
Thank you for this very informative video i really enjoyed watching it look forward to more videos like this! Stay safe in those waters :) 🐟 Definately deserved a subscription from me! 😊
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You know the wire can slide through the ice pick, right?
RIP Fish
Great video and thanks to let people know how to dispatch fish in the most humane and quick way
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One time I dropped by metal spike type thing I use to kill fish so I used a car key
Oh wow haha
I have not done that. I hope you car key does not smell fishy.
For those searching for the right tools. You can use a long thin T-shape screwdriver and a long steel wire from any hardware store instead.
I don’t fish. Just wanted to see a fish getting stabbed in the eye.
I think you missed the brain, it shouldn't be gasping like that. For striped bass, it's right above the gill plate
So, you'll know when you insert the rod through the spine from the head when they have that reflex? Also, I noticed the fish straighten out as well. That's another sign? Basically you have to "feel" for it?
What do we do after performing the ikejime? Do we put in on ice?
Honestly writing, this is inhumane and brutal. Fro when the needle is inserted, the fish does not die immediately, it dies a painful and slow death.
Just discovered this method, trying to determine which size (gauge;mm) wire I will need, your video helped my understanding, are u using the 1.2mm wire (circuit breaker) that came with the magenta colored handle on that striper?
How does this compare to beheading the fish?
Decapitation is also deemed humane as long as it is followed by pithing, which is the destruction of the brain. After decapitation, insert a probe into the head and swish it around to destroy the central nervous system. Similar to a lobotomy, pithing is done because, unlike mammals, fish can remain conscious after decapitation due to their unique physiology (Pauline Chen and Daniela Sharma, Ph.D. - Rutgers University)
Thank for the explanation,
I still wait for another close up ikejime tutorial 🤟🏻🤟🏻
So is knocking it out first before bleeding it out less effective on pain or bleeding it out?
actually, knocking it out is less effective on both compared to this method.
@@Opaleye thx.I'm assuming that clubbing the fish in the noggin doesn't knock it out somehow or does not desensitize it then?
@@zz-np2sr It usually does not kill the fish. It just makes it unconscious for a period of time.
@@zz-np2sr Also, the wire makes the fish immobile while its heart still beats for several minutes to pump out the blood. Without that, fish will move violently, which could possibly ruin its blood vessels inside the fish.
@@Opaleye Okay thx,that was the answer I needed.
Would this work on regular fish? Because I went fishing with my papa All the time and he did things the old school way and I’m refreshing my memory of fishing with him , wondering where I can get one of these from with everything included , I’m going back fishing this summer been wanting to go fishing lately for some reason
How do you know that fish doesn't agonise?
Does this work with smaller fish too? (Like sunfish and such). Or is there another method for them?
It may sound inhumane but I usually just throw smaller fish on the ground, kills them instantly
This works for every fish!
It works too, but it is just knocking them out. And, it is not precise. This method is more precise, but both work :)
@@Opaleye for smaller fish, would it make sense to just brain them and then clean them using a traditional method.
@@hawkstrat9105 Yes, I agree. I would just damage their brains to make them painless and not worry about the wiring process.
Can i USE A CAR OIL DIPSTICK? It looks like the wire used here..
The fish is like wooo what have you done to me aaaaaaa
Can this be done on freshwater catfish? They are so hard to kill.
Probably
Thank you for this video, I may think of implementing this into my own fishing techniques
I am so happy to hear that!!
Thank you so much for doing that and watching my video! :)
So you still cut the neck even after Ike Jime??
Even if they don't feel pain it is sad if a helpless creature dies
उनको दुःख नहीं लकता है फिर भी यह नहीं करना चाईए क्यूकी जब कोइ मरता टा है तो हम को दुःख लगता है ।
So... What do u want then? Do you want people to stop eating animals? Jeez don't be so picky
Can we just not kill the fish
No they taste good.
Hello. Is knife to the brain the same? If not can you tell me how it differs? Thankyou so much
It’s the same. I’ve used a knife to do ikejime many times and it works just as well as a spike.
@@gooddoggo2258 I always use a knife. But not sure if it can be called ikejime as we just hit the brain and not the spinal cord ?
How do they know they are hitting the spinal cord what if they are just hitting the flesh ?
When it goes in smoothly, you know you inserted it correctly. Also, fish will show a reflex response.
You can also cut the tail and go in that way then you can actually see the spinal column (you should go down the small hole towards the top of the spine and not through the middle)
You might be missing the brain with the spike. My fish usually opens mouth wide when brain dead. I also go from the tail, easier to get the neural canal
both ways work.
how do you know where the spinal cord is? I mean where to insert the wire. Can you feel it or is it always the same spot where you also kill the fish?
you just need to practice it. You will find it easily after a few trials.
@@Opaleye alright! Thank you!
@@dopegirlsdope no problem
Does the position of the brain vary depending on the type fish? I’ve viewed an app showing the positions of the brain depending on the type for purpose of this method. I don’t want to miss the brain and do more harm than good.
yeah that is right
You gotta get sharper knives!😂😂😂 but great video! Thanks for the info.
haha Indeed! I forgot to bring mine haha I had to borrow my friend's.
Thank you very much for watching my video :)
nice video. i liked the way you killed because some people dont do the brain thing and kill the fish with pain
Thank you Teenja!! I totally agree!
I think those fish deserve that kind of painless death. They are dying to be served on our tables! I dont criticize people eating fish, but at least, we should not torture them to death!
Thank you for watching my video!
I struggle with putting my fish down in the best way possible. I keep a lot of what I catch and I always wonder what the best way to end them is. Thanks
I think using a HIGH voltage taser is the best way
Do you take that when you go fishing?
@@Opaleye Yes, I nick a small little hole in there head(so the shock can reach there faster without suffering) and put the taser in there and it finishes them pretty easily
Until you shock yourself, not good being wet lol.
줄무늬농어 이게 우리나라엔 없는 어종인가봐요 !!
근데 물고기가 엄청 커요 !! 실해서 먹을게 많겠어요
이케시메할때 끝까지 쭉 밀어주는거에요 ??
전에도 느낀거지만 조금 잔인해보이긴하지만
물고기도 고통을 덜느끼고 더 퀄리티도 높다고 하니
좋은 방법이라고 생각해요 !
네! 한국에는 없는 어종이에요!! 그리고 쭉 밀어주는게 맞아요. 맞아요! 서로 윈윈인 방법이에요. 아시아에서는 많은 분들이 아시지만 아직 미국에서는 매우 생소한 방법이에요. 제가 그래서 욕 먹더라도 좀 더 알려 볼라고 어종마다 올리고 있어요 ㅎㅎ
Striped bass라는 어종입니다. 미국 메싸츄쎗주에서 싸우쓰 케롤라이나주까지 서식합니다. 잡아봐서 아는데 손맛은 초반에 몇번 끌고가는거 말고는 없읍니다. 그런데 요놈 맛이 기가차지요. 회로도 먹어 보았는데, 튀겨먹는게 맛있었습니다.
Can you translate
so you just show them the matrix
would using a knife work? If you stabbed it in the brain?
yes! you can stab its brain with anything sharp.
I hope you put that last fish out of its misery - please don't listen to commentators telling you how to kill it - torture of a living creature is never necessary to show as an example
tip: If you want to kill a fish without inserting a bullet or knife into it - put it in a bucket of clean water and add a few drops of clove oil at a time - this is actually more humane than even ikejime but clove oil is expensive and this method is usually used for pet fish :/
Hello. I'm a fisherman, yet I'm a scientist. I know what I am doing and understand the pain mechanism of vertebrates pretty well. There is a reason why clove oil is used for pet fish. Clove oil is not safe to consume.
@@Opaleye Yes I agree - I think you may find this simplified page interesting:
www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/fishkeeping-news/painful-fish-deaths-you-might-be-guilty/
Even that website supports ikejime.
this is so freking sad bro
nah
At least etter than letting it suffocate and suffer
Why did you even click on the video?
its been like this for the past few billion years, what you talking about
I've seen a fish completely cut in half and filleted jumping in the pan that was pretty freaky!!!
Yeah, thats why I prefer this method. It is better for the meat and safer.
Interesting!
But how come I don’t see guys who fish bluefin tuna do this?
Hell you would think so for freshness of sushi 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Where was this caught?
Castaic lake!
i want buy ikejime tool. Where can i buy? Thank you
eBay has them.
2:49 watch it's eyes lol
what happens?
@@Opaleye they go from "ight this is fine" to "aw shit"
:(
@@Opaleye :)
Opaleye :(
Can someone tell me the tools used in this video and where to buy the exact one or close to the one in the video.
It is on ebay! Made my lumikan
@@Opaleye thank you 👍
No problem!
ikejime only makes fish senseless.
Great video! I’m new to fishing and ikejime and have a couple of questions:
1. Is it safe to let fish bleed out in muddy lake water or do you need to use water suitable for drinking?
2. If fishing for a day and killing with ikejime immediately after catch, putting fish in ice slurry and filleting 8 to 12 hours later once getting home do you need to gut the fish before putting in ice slurry?
My forehead hurts after watching
Your frigging putting a nail in the fishes forehead
Damn, why'd you hold him up to the camera before lobotomizing him? Turned this mf into a cartel video 😂
머리를 뚫을 때 잔인해보이긴 했지만 물고기가 고통을 덜 받고 죽을 수 있고
사람은 물고기를 신선하게 먹을 수 있으니 좋은 기술인 것 같네요!
+농어와 줄무늬 농어의 차이점은 무엇인가요?
맞아요. 양쪽으로 나은 방법 같아요.
같은 패밀리에 다른 어종이에요. 음 쉽게 말하면 친척 정도요!! 한국으로 따지면 농어랑 배스 정도? ㅎㅎ
이 고기는 미터 이상으로 자랄 수 있고 민물이랑 바다에서 다 살 수 있어요!
Oh God, I feel so bad I been doing it wrong all these years..I been poking the eyes out😬😬
You can poke at any angle. The main purpose is to damage its brain.
I know you think that this is the "humane" way of killing a fish but the fact of the matter is that fish have extremely different brains than we or other mammals do. First off fish lack a neocortex which is what produces conciousness in mammals. They also lack the nerve structure to feel pain. So while it might make sense to kill the fish quickly for convenience, it doesn't really make it "humane" because it's highly unlikely that the fish is suffering as a human or mammal would. And I'm not trying to sound cruel, but as a fisherman I've done a ton of research on this. Check out Dr. James Rose's papers for more info. Tight lines!
It was an old idea that fish dont feel pain. And, recently, many scientists have done some experiments that support the idea that they do feel pain. Myself is a scientist who have done years of research on the nervous system. I have done alot of reading on this topic as well. Also, this method would be helpful if fish do feel pain. On the other hand, it would not harm any even if they dont. Thank you so much for watching my video and writing your comment :) Tight lines to you too!
@@Opaleye Another thing to consider is how fish behave after being hooked. Think about it, if you got hooked in the mouth it would hurt like hell and you probably wouldn't be thinking about eating. But there's many cases of fish breaking the line and then being caught again within minutes with the hook still in their mouths. I've had this happen myself a few times with largemouth and bluefish. Also had another time when I caught a striper with an ice pick sticking out of its anal vent. When I see things like that it makes me very skeptical that fish experience conscious pain like humans or mammals would
@@GREEKgangsta15 I dont think we have the same definition of pain here. Your definition seems like the pain that we, humans, feel. I do believe that fish feel pain, but I dont think that is the pain that humans feel. You cant assume that they would feel their pain in the way we do.
@@Opaleye Sorry I don't want to get in a debate or anything. Just as an animal lover but also an avid fisherman, I would hate to deliberately do anything that would cause suffering to any creature. However there's a difference between what we know as "pain" and something called nociception which is basically injury stimuli. Even bacteria and microorganisms experience nociception. But conscious suffering is a WHOLE other matter. Pain and fear are conscious states that humans and other mammals experience because of our large neocortex. Fish don't have this part of the brain so it's very unlikely that they possess the consciousness necessary to "feel" anything. Most of a fishes behavior (including reactions to being hooked/handled) could very well be attributed to unconscious learning aka instinct
@@GREEKgangsta15 No worries. I like educational conversations like this. I do agree that fish dont feel the pain like we do. But, I think stress is a type of pain although it does not directly injure fish. Also, whether they feel pain or not, I believe that this method has no harms, but benefits.
Thank you again for your comments and time :)
Fire works like a M 90 pop ? Put it in the mouth... because don't you just throw out the head anyways?
I know that you searched for this
That looks like it hurts.
How to kill a fish Nicely , “ stabs fish through the head “
The person who ever did the subtitles be like: The heart still beats, it can still breathe, hear, see and talk... but it’s dead....
The heart still beats, but it cant feel any pain*
Local fishermen from bazar r not dat much patience to do dat...
Moreover this method may look more cruel to common people who don't know.
Poor fish
Mmm mom dinner was great!
Wow you're so funny!
Fucking disrespectful little shit
@@doopedoog lmao calm down "anonymous"
I usally have a knife with a small blade and I stab it's brain and then bleed out the fish but now that Ive seen this I gotta get myself that nice vid btw
뇌를 정확하게 파괴하지 못한듯 보입니다. 이케지메를 했는데도 아가미쪽이 움직인다면 완전 뇌사상태가 아닙니다.
Technically, lactic acid can build up in the fish for up to 10 minutes or possible even longer even after you destroy the nerves. I just bleed the fish and immerse in ice water as soon as possible
Yeah it will still build up, but the amount is very different with and without ATP!!
Lactic acid production is due to anaerobic respiration, if anything bleeding it out will increase lactic acid production due to the lack of oxygen. Chilling it definitely helps though, and of course destroying the nerves will prevent muscle reflexes.
Dropping a brick on the fish is the leest painful way.
You have it all wrong mate, it’s not about the pain it’s about stress and stuff, fish can have stress but not pain, studies have shown that, scientists have studied them for years and years, and it has concluded that fish cant feel pain at all.
@@thecoolfreezer9477 yeah its still the brick
@@thecoolfreezer9477 or blow em up with a firecracker i always do that this video was a waste of time
@@thecoolfreezer9477 or somethimes with a sledge
@@thecoolfreezer9477 but the easiest way is to blow em up
My head hurts....oh well, fresh sashimi.
Im sorry for making your head hurt :(
LoL XD
Hopefully this makes me less squeamish next time i see blod
A Labotomy for Fish
YES...What a wonderful ay to Murder Fish..I wonder what SpongeBob would have to say about this?
lol
You let the poor thing suffocate for a long time. It shouldn't take but 5 seconds after removing it from the water to do what you did.
I though they say that fish don’t feel pain
That’s just people being dumb because they think fish are dumb
So I don't have to use my shotgun anymore😕😂
hahahahaha yess
Let me say everything ok?
You better hit the brain quick because if you need to dig for 5 minutes before you find it, i'm not really sure if it's more humane...
I've seen people that take a large knife between the eyes. Does the same and less change of missing the brain.
However it's more messy
Oxazepam65 he’s not digging, he’s ramming a rod down into the spine. The spine is like a tube with segmented bone plates surrounding it.
Oxazepam65 when the rod goes in it scrabbles the spinal nerves around and makes the fish brain dead, unable to feel pain but its heart will still function so the fish doesn’t release stress hormones and acids that decrease its shelf time and make it taste worse.
Additionally, the brain is already damaged and dead as soon as I poke it with the spike. The wire has nothing to do with its brain. And, it is indeed more humane. there are many scientific evidences supporting it. And, I damage the brain in a second, and my ikejime takes about 15 seconds, not 5 minutes.
KACA Life people don’t know much about anatomy, they just assume that the fish is alive because of the seizing.
Those fish look too short to keep
The size regulations are different in lakes.
That’s one big mf bass
There is no good way to kill an WILD animal
This is great
Thank you!!
You pissed me off lol I fish trout alot, but I like the ike Jima method eh what ever mate my new favorite species is the largemouth been that way for 10 years
Sorry, but I dont get your comment. what part of my video pisses you off?
@@Opaleye I thought you were catching wild trout, obviously it wasnt
@@muze-tessa6938 oh I have some videos on trouts. this one is on striped bass.
@@Opaleye cool man! I'll check them
Must be the most humane way to kill a fish, but releasing it to prevent overfishing would be even better! Stripper Bass are slow growing fish so it takes years for a female to grow until it can breed more fish to keep stocks on a healthy levels.
That is true! But, it is a bit different in lakes compared to ocean. It is a bit abundant in lakes. That is why you can take up to 10 stripers per person from that lake.