How powerful is the 45-70 Government Lever Action Rifle Cartridge?
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- The 45-70 Government cartridge, commonly chambered in lever action rifles such as the Marlin 1895, is extremely versatile in that factory loads are available in multiple different “power levels” from original 1800’s era buffalo loads that roughly approximate a very powerful 44 Magnum load all the way up to loads that many people would be comfortable taking on a dangerous game hunt.
This short video discusses and compares common 45-70 loads to other common cartridges so as to draw an easily understood comparison between various power levels amongst rifle cartridges.
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What happened to your face it looks scratched up
Why stop at power…?
What about drop…? Accuracy etc…?
@@augurcybernaut4785 drop is around 80, 90 inch's past 300 yards
Dude, you look like you are an eye patch, 10 years short, and a few shades lighter than a real life Nick Fury. With respect too man. Good video.
Got one myself. Kicks like a drunk mule
Sure does
no joke..but fun to take outdoors, but I wouldn't say "plink"...more like making things disintegrate !
Got myself a Marlin trapper and my first shot almost blew me off my feet🤣
Idk, I got my Henry and it just feels like a 12 gauge
@@Monsoonpain well it was plinking that plate of steel
I just saw a video of a Derringer that fires 45-70. In case you ever find yourself in a high stakes poker game on a riverboat, when suddenly you're charged by a Silverback gorilla.
Stupid pistol to begin with. The bigger the rounds, the more Stupid novelty garbage they become.
But how much power do you loose from that short barrel? 45-70 was designed to shoot from a rifle. Plus who wants to handle that load from a derringer? Lol
Probably equivalent to .38spl
Magnum Research makes some 45/70 Revolvers. BFR
Bond Arms Cyclops.. thats the one you're talking about Austin. It's pointless.. but I still want one
Really really loved the way you compared the loads to other common cartridges. Made it super easy to understand
When he compared it to the 300 Win Mag that really gave me a new perspective. When a .45-70 delivers more energy than even the mildest 300 Win Mag, it’s no slouch.
That was the best part of the video for me, I don’t know the relative numbers of other cartridges so that was a HUGE help
Foot pounds of energy doesn't tell the whole story. A bullet's construction, weight, diameter and other factors determines its effectiveness. Velocity alone isn't the key either. You need to match the bullet and load to the intended task.
@@appalachiangunman9589 at the muzzle.
@@paulm749 yeah we should not forget that smaller spicy rounds may have the same energy profile but that does not mean energy transfer. A big heavy bullet is less likely to overpenetrate, so more energy in target. That means more stopping power.
45-70’s one of the greats out there…one of very few rounds that successfully made the transition from black powder to smokeless, and as he said, you can get loads that go from mild to wild. One of the best brush buster’s out there. Guides in Alaska and Canada carry lever guns with 18 inch barrels packed full of the hotter flavor, cause when you’re down on your luck, in thick brush, and a big bear decides it doesn’t care for you, there’s not much out there that’s as compact, handles as well, and pushes the kind of energy that a 430 grain +P hard cast from Buffalo bore or underwood goin 1950 FPS out of an 18 inch barrel, with 4 more readily available.
The ultimate brush gun is a 12 ga with slugs
No guide with a shit carrys a 45/70 or any short lever gun. Your job as a guide is to insure your clients safety and to make sure game doesnt get away. Maybe a decent camp or fishing rifle but that's about it.
@@jsk7029 Uh huh. Sure thing Mr "expert"
@@bikeman9419 the ultimate brush gun that (hasn't made it to the commercial market) is mine.
Semi auto, 10 rnd mag, 570gr at 1900 fps. The sectional density makes it a better penetrator than your slug, which is most likely better suited for light skinned deer vs breaking femurs after plowing through 4ft of tissue.
Nice said about the gun couldn’t said it any better I live in Alaska so i know it’s reliable 👍🏽
Then you have the hand loads people make for Ruger number 1s. Those things touch 458 win mag territory
I love my no1's, that falling block locks up like a bank vault
Dont leave out the siamese mauser its right there with the ruger no1, my mauser kicks harder w/hand loads than my 458 win mag w/factory loads, i havent had the 458 for long & was quite surprized.
@@michaelpierson7256 I find that hard to believe personally, unless the factory loads you're getting are super low power for the 458. My WW1 k98AZ is quite enjoyable to shoot even with decently hot loads.
@@michaelpierson7256 in looking at getting one, Never saw factory ammo for 8 x 52 rimmed Siamese, so I’m assuming you load your own?
Also the browning model 78b. It can also be loaded to near 458 win levels.
One of my dad's buddies had a sharps replica 4570 with a heavy ass custom barrel and breech. He would cast his own ~500 grain bullets and hot load the shit out of them shells.
He spent his Saturday afternoons making 700+ yard shots across the valley his backyard looked over.
*BANG*
*sips coffee*
*opens up news paper*
*flips page*
*ping*
Bullseye 😉
The 45-70 is the only rifle proven to stop a T-rex. I know for a fact it will drop a T-rex like a sack of potatoes, because I shot one about six months ago. I still don't know why that T-rex was carrying a bucket of candy.
...Holy frig, it's 150 years old this year!
I was looking up it's age for a joke, but when I calculated it out, I forgot what that joke was supposed to be.
Happy birthday, 45-70!!
Fired a black powder 45-70 load out of a Boer War era rifle. That was not pleasant.
ah the ol 45/70, the round that kills and field dresses all in one action.
The only thing that hurts after taking my 45-70 to the range is my wallet.
Yeah it’s ridiculous now. Over 2x pre-pandemic. I haven’t fired mine in 2 years
@@stevenfuller3816 living in CaliFOREIGNia, you have to buy them in a neighboring state since they arent easy to find in state and shipped to an FFL
or
Sneak them across state lines..
Ouch is reloading any better?
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It's just words that dont mean crap to the Dictators..
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Thanks!
@@masonleather
I need to know, will it kill a Bigfoot?
No joke, my aunt has a few of them on her farm in East Texas.
Please help and answer my questions. These things are any where from 7ft to 12ft tall and 800lbs to 1200lbs. I know the height is correct but the weight is an estimate.
Just picked up my first 45-70 6 days ago can’t wait to hit the range with it.
The more I learn about firearms that I don’t own ; the more a need them.
So that means I should get one, right?
If you can afford to shoot it.
Absolutely, i have mine, nothing like big thumpers😊
It's nice sometimes to have a rifle that shoots through things.
Do it nostalgic with a Japanese built Winchester 1886. Looks like old West, handles hot loads. I think I can put 9 in the magazine. 300gr JHPs smoke it down range. Crescent butt plate feels fine.
@@JW...-oj5iw I’m sure the butt plate handles it fine, but what about your shoulder???
I love the aesthetic Grey look to this rifle. Not to mention the .45-70 Leather stock add-on is a lovely touch as well. Looks great.
huh,?not a gun expert myself but I find this info fascinating. really well done and I learned some things I find interesting. well done.thank you.🥺👍😀
Thanks!
Goddammit, now I'm rethinking what I want for Christmas this year.....
If you have the money, get the 45-70. I can load them for super cheap. But I haven’t bought components is 6 years. Factory loads are stupid expensive, but they are fun. FYI, You don’t need crazy hot loads to kill things. Trapdoor loads will go stem to stern on bill elk.
That’s a big difference, ballisticaly for the same caliber… pretty cool.
I don’t think they expand they’re just pretty much all penetration right? Would like to see a comparison.
I cannot express how nice it is to see a gun video that's actually informative, and not a gossipy take on range cliches.
Great stuff. You've got my follow.
I have had the privilege of hunting deer with my 45/70. I use the leverevolution 325 grain and what a round it is. It hits like a sledge hammer and drops them in there tracks. 3 of the 4 I have got with it have been a hair over 100 yards with no need to track. Absolutely awesome round!
(My first day taking the 45-70 to the range) Holy fuck, that was the best 120 dollars I spent. "Jesus man how many rounds did you shoot" 40 😢
Exactly why I bought reloading dies right away!
Too rich for me.
You know de way
I can tell you that firing the "Cowboy" loads out of a Marlin rifle was fun and rather unremarkable.. the Leverevolution rounds were stimulating to say the least.
If you can find the Buffalo Bore High Power loads.....pricey, but those will loosen your teeth
I've had a Marlin model 1895 in 45-70 with a 26 inch barrel and 9 round tube for about 6 years and it's my favorite gun. I've put down about 40 hogs with it and it has such a great versatility of cartridge loads. I reload them myself, from 200 grain light plinking or mid sized game loads to 600 grain "hog wreckers" as I call them.
Excellent breakdown on the different loadings. I appreciate the calibre comparisons, really makes it easy to understand.
Some of those loads will turn that old trapdoor into a cool "what not to do" display.
Yup, don't do it lol. Modern Marlin 1895s are the way to go unless you go fallingblock
Those top loads will turn a Marlin lever action into scrap as well.
I wanna see 45-120 next.
The 45-120 your almost only ever going to see black powder load equivalent for same with most other options along those lines but look up leverguns50 if you want see some hot loads from something like that.
How about a 50-110?
@@dundonrl 50-110 wasn't the biggest, iirc. Still, if you loaded it in an action strong enough to contain it and light enough to carry (under 10 lbs), you wouldn't be able to handle its full potential. 50 Alaskan is still a handful that reaches recoil levels the vast majority of people simply can't tolerate.
@@dundonrl or 50-140 sharps
You can work a 1895 to a 45- 90 chambering but it's close. 20 grns of space makes a significant increase in powder.
I shot a Freedom Arms revolver in 45-70, it had an 8 inch barrel and weighed close to 5lbs loaded. With light loads it was a lot of fun, with hot loads it was terrifying.
I love to hear 45-70 speak.
Your similies to other calibers is perfect. Everything makes complete sense to me!
Please give us more content.
Wish someone made a 45-70 upper the AR platform.
Lol well your wish is granted. You can get Phenix weaponry ar in 45-70 auto which is 45-70 the machine the rim off the rim. Other options are there are 450 Marlin ar 10 uppers 450 Marlin was made to offer a factory load that duplicates 45-70 hand loads or 458 socom does pretty good at matching power of a 45-70 or if cheap and poor really do you need a 458 bullet drop down to 452 bullet diameter and do a 450 bushmaster.
@@t-bfr45-70 yeah that Phoenix arms 45-70 is a fine piece with a very fine price tag too. I’m not poor by any means but I’m not paying that much either. That 450BM is looking like a pretty solid choice in my book.
@@peternorton5648 really wish the 450bm was 458 caliber because I have ocean of bullets could load but being 452 have less options worth loading for the velocity. But you can pick them up for the right price.
AFAIK it started off as a black powder cartridge. Best be careful with what you load into an antique. 😉
I sure know what u mean as i have all 3 load levels, 2 trapdoors level1, a gibbs no1mk3 enfield level2, a siamese mauser level3.
In factory ammo, the lower powered stuff is labelled as “for use in all rifles”, meaning including the older weaker stuff, whereas if it doesn’t say that or some other indication that it’s okay, assume it’s not.
then you would use a modern firearm
The 45/70, kicking ass since 1873, and shoulders!
I tried a .458 win mag a few years ago. My shoulder still hurts
I recently tryed out my 458 mag. I got it w/broken sinthetic stock for $400 put new wood stock on. It kicked noticably less than my 45-70 siamese mauser. Quite surprizing.
Must have been a gun that did not fit you at all. The .458WM is not that bad.
@@robertunderdunkterwilliger2290 agreed, I've considered a new Boyd's stock,(i put one on my 458 mag recently & it fits very good) especially since I'm gonna rechamber the siamese mauser to 45-90 win.
@@robertunderdunkterwilliger2290Agreed. I could shoot mine all day long, if I could still get ammo for the prices I was paying 25 yeard ago...
@michaelpierson7256 Would you sale it.
Fair warning Hornaday leverlution is 2 different loads. I own an original trapdoor 45-70. Those leverlution rounds are spicy
Yep the 325gr version is quite hot
Id not be shooting them out a trapdoor they are right on the edge of a bad day for a trapdoor.
@@t-bfr45-70 You got the regular safe load and the "self-ejecting" load...
Lever actions feel very satisfying in a way i can't explain. Like bolt actions
A great video !
You quickly put this mystery about the 45-70 and it's many different factory loads available today !
So in other word it’s a bad ass weapon if a grizzly or rhino try to car jack you
Or a grizz try’s to steal someone’s car….
Pretty poor against either. It's better than a pistol round or 12g slug but pales in comparison to a 375 or 458.
I live in rural Alaska, and when you're talking hunting with the guys who guide the out of state tourist hunters you'll find that a LOT of them have similar kits which inevitably include a .45-70 lever action with extra spicy rounds and a backup revolver.
Against a rhino I wouldn't trust it, I'd definitely want something punchier, but it'll ABSOLUTELY drop a charging grizzly in its tracks. Even without the firsthhand accounts and seeing its effectiveness personally you can find reliable testimony speaking to its reliability vs pretty much all the big game you'll be find in North America.
From moose to bear, its a great caliber and very versatile.
The last one will vibe check some level 4 plates... it won't punch through, but it'll make you shit a lung.
i have some 325g brass solids loaded 2k+ fps that run very well from my henry x that just might . i loaded them up for nilgai hunting in south Texas .
I love my 45/70 Winchester and my Marlin Cowboy
It makes me very happy to see lot of you guys using our Czech ammo. Nice rifle tho
Long story short, they have the power level of "fuck you dude behind the neighbors fridge"
Just to have a frame of reference, how much fylbs is a more common round like a 9mm or 12cal? ( ik these aren’t comparable im just curious)
355 ft/lb of energy is 9mm 380 is around 200 and 556 is around 1.3
357 is around 5-600 ft/pbs as well. .45-70 is a pretty monster load (pause)
@@jarodfindley9456 thank you, damn those rounds really have some kick!
@Alexis Côté makes me want to buy a 45-70 and cast some heavy bullets
230gr .45acp is about 500 ft/lbs
I love a lever gun
Still totally practical for home/farm use. I like the 3030 caliber.
Gotta love how versatile the round is and the rifles which shoot it. Ranging from ouch to artillery is quite the spectrum and hope to get a Henry Mod X soon.
Man I want to shoot some of those 405gr loads, probably need to make sure I have the next day off work though.
It seems nobody but me use 500gr bullets these days, its the original weight used. Quite a thumper.
@@michaelpierson7256 it's all about fast and flat now days. When he said 405 are about same power a 243 only thought i had was only on paper a 405 does not like to give up any of its energy it like to just keep trucking. Problem with 500 grain bullets is length of them you get ones that fit lever guns you give up powder capacity which for most part is not a big deal but most people now buying 45-70 are buying them for bragging rights or because seen it in a move.
The ‘traditional’ loads, 405@1250 are fairly pleasant to shoot. Recoils just a big shove. The pocketbook would start to hurt before the shoulder would.
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Yes this puppy kicks and it’s loud, but I’ve had my Marlin 1895G for over 20 years. It’s still one of my top favorite rifles.
For those who reload you can push the .45-70 to within 100 foot pounds of muzzle energy of a .458 Win mag. I recommend a Lee hand loader kit. The cases are straight walled and easy to resize . If you go with a high power loading only do so in a suitable action such as a Ruger #3 or a Marlin model 95.
I have a model 1871 h&r buffalo classic I want to make some hand loads. They say the single shot action can handle a lot of pressure.
@@chrismuncey3861 falling block, not trapdoor. The trapdoor is the reason pressures are kept so low.
Got several 1895s, but I’ve heard the Winchester 1886 makes the Marlin 1895 look like paper. Is that true? I’ve shot some heat out of my guns, hard to imagine a 1886 can handle more
@@bullgravy6906 Maybe a newer 1886 replica but I wouldn't trust an older one designed for black powder. I think Browning made a high quality '86 replica. From what I have heard the three strongest actions for the 45-70 are the '95 Marlin, the Ruger #3 or if you can find one the Siamese Mauser. Or probably any modern falling block like a replica Sharps. I mean for high pressure hand loading anyway.
The 45.70 used to be black powder not smokeless.
He is talking about modern loads, not the ones for antique rifles.
Yes,,,and you get about 10 shots,,,per rebore,,,,😎
Very interesting. Thanks for the video and making the comparisons for each load
What a badass caliber !!!
heh I've made a lot of people rage with my Lockwood in cod lol
Good shot!
First rifle I ever shot at 14. Love'em
And it's still a 2 shot to the chest in mw 2 🤦🏽♀️
Ya that’s silly, it’s a wrecking ball
Dude I was going crazy with that thing last night on Shipment
@@iam007derf9 it's easily the best gun for quick scoping
So many numbers, so much math
Nice work. Great video. That was cool to compare.
This is a crazy capable cartridge. Real broad range of power levels. Now I want one.
You're forgetting to mention the phenomenal penetration of the heavy bullets going slow. Nobody is going to stare down a large bear with a 243. Small and light can never compare to big and slow. They do completely different jobs. I understand the limits of 1 minute of education! I do enjoy your videos very much.
Buying a 1895SBL for myself for Christmas since the price is finally more reasonable. One of my absolute dream guns for years
PSA has had them for 1299. Almost bought another one but I want a takedown model next
@@JayNRForce I saw that last night but I’m worried they’re Remington and not Ruger
@@DanielDaniel1 I believe mine is a Rem, 2017-18. Ive had no issues with it Ive shot all kinds of loads. No QC issues that I could find but I have heard the concerns out there.
I hardly use my 45/70s anymore since I inherited my great grandfather's Winchester 1886s in 45/90, /50/110 & .405. I'm kind of partial to the 45/90 for deer hunting and the 50/110 does a number on hogs and black bear. Haven't shot anything with the .405 but paper yet. I can get some pretty high numbers with the 45/90 even with moderate to medium loads I can push a 327 grain rn hardcast at around 2200fps and about 3400flbs of energy, give or take. I haven't pushed it to it's full potential but it can get way up there with the right loads.
Great recap. Thanks
Had mine for about 20 years and I love it. Marlin 1895 it’s very accurate.
Historically these Rifles probably shot less than 100 yards. With iron sites and atop a Horse, good luck with that. I like the 30/30, but want a 45/70.. Beautiful Rifle.
Well done. I learned a few things and your efforts at putting this together is appreciated.
Great info thanks
Very helpful I would like to see more
Didn't realize the .45-70 was so versatile. Amazing!
Love my .257 Roberts, .308 Winchester and my 30-06 Winchster
I got my first 45/70 in 1986 when I was 16 and back then I was the only person around my area that had one , most didn't even know.
This was actually quite informative. What a versatile cartridge. Thanks for posting.
What happened to your face?
Thank you , I learned something new ....maybe useful.
For more context on how wild 3779ft/lbs is, .700 NE produces about 8900, so those high-power .45-70 loads are nearly half an elephant gun.
Did not know that. Thanks for the info.
We need more videos like this.
Love my Marlin 1895 SBL.
My smile got bigger every round he went
Absolutely true my grandfather has that one exactly beautiful gun
Now I definitely need one
All I can say is that is a gorgeous rifle
Cool video ..all those numbers made my head hurt
Wow these ballistics are all over the board!
That last round sounds like an absolute hammer at close range
Ever since I was 9 years old, I’ve wanted one. Spent every summer from 7-16 with my grandfather in ultra rural Montana. Closest neighbor was about a 30 minute drive away. We came back from fishing on the river one day, walking back to the truck when we were surprised/ we surprised a grizzly sow with her babies. It charged us and he dropped that thing with one round to the face and that was that. Ever since I saw that megafauna slumped over on the foot path, smoking hole in it’s head, I knew I had to have one for when I lived in MT. Now I’m older and I’ve got one, but I’ve learned how to not be an idiot and put myself in that position to begin with. Still toss it in the truck every time I go somewhere though.
One of the most versatile cartridges.
From trailboss loads with a 405 HC to Alliant R#7 with the same bullet I've chronyed them from my Henry AW from 1,036 fps to 2,186 fps so essentially more versatile than any bottle neck rifle cartridge period.
I absolutely love ballistics and physics, but I still always assumed .45-70 packed the most wallop. It was enlightening to see the vast differences between these loads. Thanks!
Great video! 🫡🙏
I’d been wanting a 45-70 for a camp gun for awhile and when I got it and took it to the range you would have thought I was giving away free beer! Literally a dozen guys came over and ohd and awed then wanted to shoot it. Well I had over a hundred rounds of assorted weights and loads so I kept loading it and everyone including the range masters had a few shots!!
I think I sold a few Henry’s that day!!
Interesting information 😊
Super impressive. It sounds like it's a super versatile weapon!
Just want to say thanks, brother, I have learned a lot from your channel 😊
Went out on a range trip with some coworkers for a team building day and my friend brought his Marlin 1895. He bought it because of Wind River and Jurassic Park. Shot some hornady 325 grain rounds out of it and it kicks like a mule. Probably the hardest recoil I’ve felt out of a rifle, feels like a 00 magnum buckshot round.
I love reloading for it. I can make it as easy to shoot as a clay shotgun load. Or I can load er up to where you don't wana shoot it more than once. It's a beaut.
I have a 45/70 best rifle I have ever owned I take with me everywhere I go especially when going up to the hills
Thats really impressive!
As my favorite author wrote for his character to say to describe this "Ity can go lengthwise through an armored buffalo zombie and out the other end with enough force to kill someone still".
Different cartridges, different manufacturers, different loads. It don't matter. .45-70 Govt is so much fun to shoot. And I think we all can agree on that. Bruised shoulders and all.
Got the same. Love this gun