I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, "Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) the people, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray." (Al-Bukari: Book 3; 42) Beware of this individual. Do not take your religion from non-muslims, clean shaven, liberals, western "academics", who make false claims regarding the righteous predecessors of the religion of Islam (Salaf us-Saalih), that promote/praise revolutionists.
Lol 😅…this isn’t a religious discussion but an academic one. So there is no point of talking about ‘taking religion from non Muslims’ . Only people who are inclined to intellectual discourse will appreciate it.
@@hamzatniyi3541 People who are inclined to intellectual discourse listen to scholars. The scholars are the most academic and some have written works which reach 80 books in volume revolving around one topic. If you think this is academic then you are gullable deprived and have been fooled.
I'm salafi for 18 years now. and I'm a student of knowledge. It's the 1st time I hear some one analyze so could salafizm by tracking the history of wearing shoes in prayer. Trust me he doesn't know what he's talking about even if he is a professor in Honolulu university
Blogging Theology is a great platform. It harkens back to early Islam in which ideas are openly discussed snd explained. To bury one’s head in the sand and say I have all I need to know, goes against what we are commanded to do - read, learn and practice our faith. Learning about Islam never ends as we have to stay on top of our knowledge and faith. To practice our faith we must continue the basics but work on self improvement, self group.
@Hidetaka Miyazaki he also brings in salafis scholars and experts as wel the best ideas will win you think we should deplatform people that is a weakass cowardly mindset doesnt matter who he brings on if you are faithfull you can clearly see the descrepancies if you get affected you are just pathetic and weak.
@Hidetaka Miyazaki taking knowledge is not at issue. Discussing different ideas within the community is paramount. If you don’t address things they go underground. This leads to undesirable outcomes.
Salafism is the Islamic idea rooted in the Quran and Sunna in light of the Salaf and the elasticity to accommodate on going new issues that are relevant to Human experiences and conditions. The wahy has stopped but the Sharia continues.
Why would any Muslim wish to ascribe themselves to a modern movement which casts aspersion and doubt on the competency of the majority of the Ulema of the past? I feel much safer following a madhab with thousands of years worth of scholarship that has chains going back to the Salaf 😊.
My comment was removed maybe by TH-cam but I’ll comment again. Salafiyyah is not a modern phenomenon, but rather the way Islam was understood by the Sahabah and their followers. There’s no need for some orientalist to tell us what is originally part of our religion and what is not. The prophet ﷺ said “the scholars are the inheritors of the prophets” so Islamic knowledge is sought from the scholars, not orientalists. Islam is not some dead religion that needs to be rediscovered and explained by orientalists, it has scholars to defend it. It would’ve been much better to bring a Muslim scholar to discuss Salafism, or a student of Islam like Abdulrahman Hassan or Uthman bin Farooq. So because Salafis debated concerning the length of a beard that makes Salafiyyah a new phenomenon? Also, the scholars disputed whether it’s haram or not to have the pants below the ankles and it’s an acceptable difference of opinion, it doesn’t make Salafiyyah a new phenomenon. Ibn al-‘Arabi, a Maliki scholar who died in 1148, said in ‘Aaridat al-Ahwadhi (7/238): It is not permissible for a man to let his garment go beyond his ankle and say that he is not being arrogant by doing so, because the text mentions the prohibition and refers to the reason, and it is not permissible for anyone to say I am not one of those referred to in the text, because the reason does not apply to me, because that attitude goes against sharee’ah and is an unacceptable claim. It is a kind of arrogance to make one’s garment and izaar longer, so he is definitely lying.” He brings minor disputes within Muslims and makes it seem like it’s a whole different phenomenon. At the time of the prophet men and women would have separate doors at mosques. And when they finished praying, the women would leave first then the men. Then when they were at the streets, the prophet ﷺ commanded the women to walk away from the men to not free mix with them in the streets. Abu Usayd al-Ansari narrated that he heard Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) say to the women on his way out of the mosque when he saw men and women mixing together on their way home: ‘Give way (i.e., walk to the sides) as it is not appropriate for you to walk in the middle the road.’ Thereafter, women would walk so close to the wall that their dresses would get caught on it. Narrated by Abu Dawood in "Kitab al-Adab min Sunanihi, Chapter: Mashyu an-Nisa Ma’ ar-Rijal fi at-Tariq." Umm Salamah (May Allah be pleased with her) said that after Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said "as-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullah’ twice announcing the end of prayer, women would stand up and leave. He would stay for a while before leaving. Ibn Shihab said that he thought that the staying of the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) was in order for the women to be able to leave before the men who wanted to depart." Narrated by al-Bukhari under No. 793. Abu Dawood under No. 876 narrates the same hadith in Kitab al-Salaat under the title "Insiraaf an-Nisaa’ Qabl al-Rijaal min al-Salaah" (Departure of Women before Men after the Prayer). Ibn ‘Umar said that Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: "We should leave this door (of the mosque) for women." Naafi’ said: "Ibn ‘Umar never again entered through that door until he died." Narrated by Abu Dawood under No. 484 in "Kitab as-Salah" under the Chapter entitled: "at-Tashdid fi Thalik". Abu Hurayrah said that the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: ""The best of the men’s rows is the first and the worst is the last, and the best of the women’s rows is the last and the worst in the first." Narrated by Muslim under No. 664
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه والسلم : (ذع ما يريبك الى ما لا يريبك ) فعلا ان الخوض في الجدال ينسي المسلم في هدفه الاساسي وهو عبادة الله والعمل الصالح خاصة اذا كان الشخص مسلما جديدا مثل صاحب القناة . اللهم انا نسألك الهداية
JazaakAllah Khair Paul for pushing back some of the generalization made by Dr Aaron. Dr Aaron may have overlooked many other implications certain practices which I assume cannot be understood from outside. Brother Paul wonderfully explained the meaning and intent behind certain practice and not generalizing them as merely as a reactionary act against changing society.
@BF109G4 Hanbalis didn't kill Muslims claiming they were disbelievers. It started with him. To this day they are very harsh on Muslims but do not lift a finger in defending them. Do your research my bro.
@@kemikali Abu Bakir fought over Zakat, Ibn Abdulwahab fought over Shirk. BTW, this is a civil war between Arabian tribes and you don’t have the right to talk about it so shut up.
@BF109G4 Spoken like a true Wahabi👍🏼. All you gotta do is research the subject, you'll be shocked. I definitely was. It all makes sense afterwards. It's a sensitive topic, but reality will always exist. People can still follow it if they want to but the real history is a game changer for many.
may Allah guide the sincere believers to true Islam found only in The Noble Quran and authentic hadiths (Sunnah) with the understanding of the pious predecessors (the Salaf including the Sahaba)! 🤲🏻 ameen.
Why did you specify ‘authentic’ hadith? The criteria of the ahle sunnati wal jamah is not to ascribe only to the ahadith that have been specified as Sahih, but rather any hadith that comes from the prophet without contradiction to other parts of the scripture and deen. Except for the maudu, because those ahadith we are certain to not be from the Prophet.
This guy is wrong about the beard 20:00 Salafis keep the beard because it is a command of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and it is obligatory according to the 4 major schools of fiqh. It has nothing to do with 21st century. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Cut the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the unbelievers.” (al-Bukhari, al-Libas, 5442; Muslim, al-Taharah, 382)
Wrong. Not all madhabs agree it’s obligatory for example shaifi believes it’s sunnah. Furthermore their is no Ijma on the issue. His point is what happens when salafis take a literal approach and believe they have authority to derive fiqh rulings from Hadith and make their own ijtihad when that domain falls only to the scholars.
@@coolsticks99 There is a difference in saying Imam ash-Shafi’i believed something, and that it is a view of the Shafi’i mathab. Imam ash-Shafi’i himself believed it is haraam to shave the beard. Please be accurate before you speak on Islamic rulings brother. Moreover regardless of the point about making ijtihaad, as a Muslim one should simply fear Allah as much as he can by leaving what makes him doubt according to his level of knowledge. Since there are many many scholars who believe it to be haraam to trim the beard past the fist length, and they have their proof for that, it is upon the layman muslim to do his best to follow the safest opinion. We are commanded to follow the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wasallam, and many of his hadiths are clear as day and can be implemented by the layman muslim. For example do you need centuries of scholars to tel you that pork is haraam, or that you shouldn’t get tattoos, or that you have to say SalAllahu alayhi waslaam when the prophet is mentioned? No, all you need to do is read the hadith that tells you that Allah’s curse is upon the one who doesn’t do that.
@@user-ze9tj9yj4t I implore you to pick up a introductory book on usual Al fiqh because what you just said is not at all how fiqh/islamic legal theory works and imam shaifi (May Allah forgive him) himself recognizes that his opinion was just that, an “opinion “. He acknowledged it had no Ijma and therefore subject to dispute so he told his students to not take his opinions as clear cut as he too could have been wrong. Just because a lot of scholars say it’s “haram” (which I wouldn’t even go as far as saying that maybe makrooh at best) doesn’t mean theirs Ijma/majority on it and the opinion of the fist length is even a lesser opinion among scholars (most of salafi scholars hold this opinion). Additionally scholars throughout history encouraged laymen such and you and I to pick and choose rulings/opinions that is most lenient to us so to not burden us provided it’s from a qualified scholar (heavy emphasis on qualified). Your statement that all we need is Hadith is a very ignorant comment that goes against usual Al fiqh and 1000+ of scholarship. What laymen need is to listen to qualified scholars and follow rulings from them in which you have no knowledge in. Recognize that it’s just an opinion that is subject to dispute and NOT a universal thing among Muslims. Follow whoever you find trustworthy and other Muslims will follow who they think is trustworthy (even if what they follow is diff from yours) and go your own way because arguing on what’s haram and halal is a form of ijtihad which belongs only to scholars to delve into and totally forbidden against laymen such as us. Be carful using the word “haram” so lightly: “We address the respectful scholars who tackle the word “ haram ” easily and set it free in their writings and fatwas that they should observe that Allah is watching over them in all that they say or do. They should also know that this word “ haram ” is very dangerous. It means that Allah’s Punishment is due on a certain act or saying, and should not be based upon guessing, whims, weak Hadiths, not even through an old book. It has to be supported by a clear, well-established text or valid consensus. If these last two are not found, then we revert the given act or saying to the original rule: “permissibility governing things”. We do have a good example to follow from one of our earlier pious scholars. Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: “It was not the habit of those who preceded us, the early pious Muslims, who set good example for the following generations, to say, ‘This is halal , and this is haram . But, they would say, ‘I hate such-and-such, and maintain such-and-such, but as for halal and haram , this is what may be called inventing lies concerning Allah. Did not you hear Allah’s Statement that reads, ‘Say: Have you considered what provision Allah has sent down for you, how you have made of it lawful and unlawful? Say: Has Allah permitted you, or do you invent a lie concerning Allah?” (Yunus: 59) For, the halal is what Allah and His Messenger made lawful, and the haram is what Allah and His Messenger made unlawful.” Again I recommend you pick up a book on Islamic legal theories and how it ties into the modern era to better understand.
I’d recently read Dr Rock-Singer’s book and found the discussion very insightful. I’d be interested in hearing a discussion extending his research and theories beyond the societies focused upon in his book and within a western societal context, since it would appear that western Salafis (like myself) had inadvertently adopted some of the societal constructs and discussions of those Muslim countries alongside our religious understandings/adherence to dress codes etc. thereby obscuring the sociopolitical and socioreligious contexts with each overlapping in various instances.
Sensitive wobblers in the comments I see. Everything winds them up. Interesting they are on this channel. Has someone issued a rallying call for them to bombard the comments with their bullcrap. Keep up the great work Paul.
Brother Paul, I thank you for your commitment. I enjoy your varied content. I hope you will cover the formation of the Salafiyyah with an Muslim scholar aswell to get a more contrasted, nuanced perspective. May peace and blessings be upon you.
Assalam Alaykum. But Ash'ari-Maturid and Mo'tazela and Shi'ites saw Salafiyyah as extremist movement and they hate it so much. Do you think they will appreciate that?
It is better to host Sheikh Hassan Somali discussing this book as a Salafi man than to listen to a man who does not understand our religion or our culture and lives in another continent.
I am one of fast majority followers of Salaf Salih (first disciples of the prophet Mohammed صلى الله عليه وسلم) but I find the modern salafi making every other Muslim look wrong Muslim and they are self centered, may Allah guide them.
I don't find his thesis particularly strong. I would say to all Muslim brothers and sisters, do not go extreme and cause division in your religion with simple matters like length of one's beard, listen to Quran: Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me. And [yet] they divided their affair among themselves, [but] all to Us will return. So whoever does righteous deeds while he is a believer - no denial will there be for his effort, and indeed We, of it, are recorders. [21 : 92-94]
Thank you Paul for this excellent discussion. I have read some books of Salafism from authors like Albani, Bin Baz, Uthaimeen etc. I do not follow Salafi approach to interacting with source texts; rather, I follow the classical approach of Usul al-Fiqh and Maqasid al-Shariah established by our classical scholars and revisited from time to time to accommodate the social condition and context of the current reality. I found this discussion academic, beneficial, and detached from emotional anchors. Though I love my Salafi brothers for sticking to an approach they consider is the correct way to understand and practice the deen, I have more negative perspective on their approach to scholarship. May God Almighty bless you for another excellent discussion.
Salafism is a modern movement calling to the way of the Salaf however it neglects the opinions of most of the Khalaf, picks and choose among the Salaf-ul-Saliheen and may strictly follow one over another, begins to oppose the madhabs (some may still follow) and unfortunately is the beginning of knowledge disappearing with the death of scholars as prophesied. We’ve even seen books and hadith tampered with. The youth are easily attracted to the movement because it’s easier to convince them how wrong their parents are (since some parents may do wrong especially because of culture). May Allah guide us in this time of peril and we seek refuge in Allah from Shaytan
who told you books and hadiths have been tampered with? “shaykhs” Hamza Yusuf and Yasir Qadhi, who say it’s ok to worship and pray to the dead and at their graves and tombs, aslong as you don’t consider them to be the same as Allah! may Allah guide you and them to true islam 🤲🏻 ameen.
@@muslimresponse103 I’m not going to get into an argument for something some of the Salaf would be guilty for in your viewpoint because debating it is not my concern since I do not practice it. For the past few three decades this movement continues to condemn the Khalaf into the fire in their eyes as though only “now” we somehow got “true Islam”, May Allah guide you and me brother.
@@MohammedAlSharif2002 the Prophet (saw) told us what to do in these times near the last day and that is stick to the majority. Stick to the Ahlul Sunnah, the scholars will be gone and many have already and along with it knowledge! Soon all that will be left is a people who remembered their ancestors for saying “La Ilaha IlAllah”
You will not understand anything from them. They are Westerners who do not know our culture or our religion. Ask the Muslim Arabs only. As an Arab Muslim: Monotheism (altawhid) means the worship of God directly without an intermediary, whether it is an idol, a shrine, or a religious man, and it is the message of the prophets. Like building shrines according to the Sufis, or building idols according to Buddhism, or the key to heaven from the priests to the Christians, as if idols, shrines and churchmen had a divine attribute in intercessions and the admission of people to heaven custom: They are the Arab customs and traditions that Islam did not oppose and perhaps Islam supports: such as marriage rites, death rites, treatment of tribal and individual problems between members of society that are not resolved in Islamic courts, etc. Example: It is from the Sunnah to feed only the people of the dead and to offer condolences to the family of the deceased only, but we feed them and we stand beside them from the same tribe for three days. Example: Any issue of blood that is dealt with in court, but because the court does not deal with this problem, it can be solved according to Arab customs in different ways by pardoning or paying millions or what is acceptable to the people of the murdered as a solution. In marriage: Financial support is provided to the groom from his relatives, tribe and friends to hold a good marriage ceremony. This is not from the teachings of Islam, but it is certainly a good thing.
It is so strange he is American, based in America, and specializes in the Salafi movement but his research doesn't seem to look at the American Salafi movement at all. I wonder why that is
Dear Paul, I love you for the sake of Allah. You are an indispensable platform for Muslims and people who want to learn more about Islam. What a great conversation.
After watching I tried to summarize what I learned but I couldn't. I found the talking points and the narrative being constructed quite unconvincing. In fact the narrative he wants to construct is very blurry to begin with, I didn't even get a good idea of what that is.
It seems to me mr Paul that you have done the right move inviting a specialist to deconstruct and understand the subject at hand. Knowing the influence you have on some Muslims as well as Muslim converts and soon to be converts. The version of Islam you present to them, whether it's one of deep spirituality and inclusivity on one hand, or one of exclusiveness and to much concern in exoterism on the other, is crucial to your life in both worlds in my opinion. 'With great power comes great responsibility '😄.
@@TareqKhan0 Yes we do if the said orientalist is specialist and non biased. The Prophet pbuh is reported to have said : "the Word of wisdom is the lost property of the believer. Wherever he finds it, he is most deserving of it."
@@smilelikeababy9435 Islam in theory doesn't change. However , The practice of it does. For instance The religiosity of Ibn Taymiyya is far different from al Hajaj although both are Muslims, their understanding of Islam is different. But one is a revered scholar and the other is mass murderer.
@@smilelikeababy9435 the word authentic is applicable to all Muslims not only you. As for Quran memorization at 6, good for you! although the generalization you made doesn't stand.
@@smilelikeababy9435 I think you reading to much into this. You can't judge him based on one interview that doesn't conform to your way of thinking. If anything he is much closer to salafism than he is any to any other movement within Islam. He is always quoting the imam Ahmad an cheikh ibn Taymiyya. As for his motifs we can only stick to what the Prophet pbuh thought us: we only judge people based on the apparent.
I honestly see no difference, but the ones who do distinguish between them restrict Wahhabism to Saudia Arabian Salafism, whereas Salafism is a general term that includes other strands of Salafism in Egypt, the Levant, North Africa, Central and South Asia, and the West. However, Saudi Arabia remains the intellectual centre and financial supporter of the sect. As such, all Salafis respect Saudi Arabian, Najdi scholars more than any other scholar. Thus, in my view, Wahhabism is a more accurate and objective term than Salafism. That said, Salafis consider it offensive and insist that they are followers of the Salaf. Hence, the term Salafism gradually became more popular than Wahhabism. Book recommendations: The Making of Salafism: Islamic Reform in the Twentieth Century Rethinking Salafism: The Transnational Networks of Salafi 'Ulama in Egypt, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia Wahhabism and the World: Understanding Saudi Arabia's Global Influence on Islam Intellectual Life in the Ḥijāz before Wahhabism: Ibrahim al-Kurani’s (d. 1101/1690) Theology of Sufism Wahhabism and the Rise of the New Salafists: Theology, Power and Sunni Islam Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (Makers of the Muslim World) Wahhabism: A Critical Essay A Critique of the Palmyran Creed: Deconstructing Ibn Taymiyya's Theology of Resemblance Ibn Taymiyya and His Times The Life of Ibn Hanbal by Ibn al-Jawzi The Formation of Hanbalism: Piety into Power The Hanbali School of Law and Ibn Taymiyyah: Conflict or Concilation
The word "Salafiyyah" is NOT from the Sunnah. The word "Salafi" is NOT from the Sunnah. Even the word "salaf" as used the Sectarians is NOT from the Sunnah. They searched the entire hadith databases & found just 1 usage of the word 'salaf' then they misused it for their own ends. The only well established labels or names from the Sunnah are: "ahl asSunnah walJama'ah" and "khayrulQuroon". And from the khayrulQuroon, we follow 1 of the Schools of Fiqh such as Hanafis or Malikis (or the later Shafi'is or Hambalis). And this has been Islam for 1400 years untill the Salafis changed it in modern times. The Salafiyyah religion/sect has been propagated throughout the world by brainwashed young students of the University of Madinah. Albani popularised the salafi sect amongst the Arabs especially the young during the 1970s. Albani was influenced by Salafiyyah as a teenager when he read the al-manar magazine written by the infamous salafi Rashid Rida (d 1935) who was also a freemason. Rida's teacher/mentor was the salafi Abduh (d 1905) who was a also a Grandmaster of the Freemasons. Abduh was the disciple of Jamaluddin Afghani. Afgani, born in 1838 as a Shia, tried to "unify" all Muslims by preaching and writing against the madhabs/Schools of Fiqh. He was also a Freemason. His teacher was Ahmad alAhsai (b. 1753) who was a Twelver Shia who believed that he got his knowledge directly from the Prophet (saw) & the Imams in dreams! The above is just 1 strand of the Salafiyyah religion. Another strand is the najdi/wahhabi movement which was united with Salafiyyah by Dr Taqi ad din Hilali - born in morocco 1893-1987. Rashid Rida, the salafi freemason, wrote a letter of recommendation for him to give to King abdulAziz al Saud who then placed Hilali in various teaching positions in Madinah & Makkah thereby brainwashing Muslims to the Salafiyyah religion. Bin baz invited him to teach at MU 1967. Bin baz also invited albani to teach st MU. Hilali was the best friend of Arp Arsalan - another Freemason! Question to ask is, WHO ADVISED THE BLIND BIN BAZ TO PICK THESE CHARACTERS TO BRAINWASH MUSLIMS???
Say with me: La ilaha illalLaah, wahdahu, laa shareeka lah, lahul Mulk, wa lahul Hamd, wa Huwa ‘ala kulli shay’in Qadeer. SubhaanAllah AlhamdulilLaah La ilaha illalLaah Allahu Akbar Wala hawla wala quwatta illa bilLaah SubhaanAllahi wa bihamdihi SubhaanAllahil Azeem Rabbi-ghfirli. *Now make duaa.*
Great interview. Enjoyed this. Bring him on again. Please also consider bringing on Dr. Natana J. DeLong-Bass who has authored an interesting book on "Wahabism".... This will be a great follow up to this session. She also has some useful insights.
DeLong-Bas's book is very partial. "I'm sad this piece of scholarly trash was published by Oxford," says Khaled Abou El Fadl, professor of law at UCLA who writes frequently on Islamic jurisprudence. "This doesn't qualify as scholarship -- it falls within the general phenomenon of Saudi apologetics." Michael J. Ybarra, reviewing DeLong-Bas's book in The Wall Street Journal, points out that "where on earth this [tolerant] form of Wahhabi Islam ever existed she doesn't say." Michael Sells, author of "Approaching the Qu'ran" and professor of religion at Haverford College, says "DeLong-Bas never challenges the propriety of Abd al-Wahhab's claim to absolute authority -- the authority to declare the believer and the unbeliever (authority God reserves to himself in the Koran) and to impose the most severe sanctions on those he disagrees with." Most importantly, she has been financed by Saudi Arabia which is a huge problem. Stephen Schwartz, a Muslim convert and author of "The Two Faces of Islam," says "Revealingly, she thanks not just Esposito in the acknowledgments but also several prominent figures in the Saudi kingdom (where Wahhabism is the official religion), including Faisal bin Salman, whose status as a Saudi prince she omits mention; Abd Allah S. al-Uthaymin, son of a notorious member of the Wahhabi ulema; and Fahd as-Semmari, director of the King Abd al-Aziz Foundation for Research and Archives, in Riyadh. She thanks the latter foundation for financial support. There is much evidence that this volume was rushed into print as a response to the questions about Wahhabism asked by Westerners after September 11. That was entirely predictable; what was not is the markedly inferior quality of the effort."
It is foolish to host academically Westerners who have not studied in Islamic universities to talk about the thought and books of Sheikh Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab, who do not know Arabic, instead of Salafi scholars who speak a lot of English.
You guys went on about the beard as if it's just something Muslims do to imitate the prophet, forgetting that it was a direct instruction from the prophet Sahih Muslim 259a The messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard grow. On the separation of men and women, let's not forget that ijmae of the scholars on the interpretation of the Quran or hadith in a given context is also a valid source of ruling in islam While watching, in my mind, I was thinking, if this guest is Muslim, he is most likely a liberal Muslim. The only thing left was for him to waive all prophetic traditions as culture or explain why it was specific to that time or for a specific reason (just as you did on the shortening of trousers).
This guy's assumption about praying with shoes at 30:00 is laughable. Praying with shoe is permissible, but it is not obligatory. No Salafi make it a big issue. The following hadith clearly shows Prophet Muhammad pbuh removed shoes when it had dirt. There is no inconsistency here. This guy doesn't have understanding of even simple fiqh. Abu Sa’id al-Khudri said: “While the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was leading his Companions in prayer, he took off his shoes and placed them to his left. When the people saw that, they took off their shoes too. When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) finished his prayer, he asked, ‘What made you take off your shoes?’ They said, ‘We saw you take off your shoes, so we took ours off too.’ The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Jibril (peace be upon him) came to me and told me that there was something dirty on them.’ When any one of you comes to the mosque, let him look and if he sees anything dirty on his shoes, let him wipe them and then pray in them.” (Abu Dawud, 650; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih Abi Dawud, 605)
Literal meaning is an important aspect of Language and we can't deny it. It is the Husn(beauty) of Language that following Literal meaning it contains figurative and hieroglyphic character.
The idea of these groups as social movements is interesting. It's funny how Saudi cultural clothes or particular ways of wearing western clothes can show your theology sometimes. Though you definitely see other Muslim groups being distinct in clothing and appearance as well. Also I believe the Salafi wave is dying down with political shifts in Saudi Arabia. I think the movement gave a lot of good to the ummah but the new Islamic intelligentsia seem to be much more balanced and nuanced in their understanding now.
The beard is a part of Islam and imaan whether you are a salafi or not, all 4 imaams considered shaving the beard to be haraam, just my 2 cents from a short clip of this video. I would be cautious taking this much information about our religon from disbelievers.
As a practising salafi I agree with all your speech Paul when talking to this person he had a but for everything. He needs to read hadith like sahih al Bukhari and sahih Muslim and all the other hadith books which tell us how we should dress and grow the beard. Muhammad pbuh said differ from the pagans grow your beards and trim your mustaches sahih al Bukhari. Allah said if you really love Allah follow Muhammad peace be upon him and Allah will love you. Qur'an Al Imran. Yes salafis refer and is based everything upon the Qur'an and sunnah basically if we stick to these sources we will be safe from innovation and deviated sects.
Thanks so much Paul and Aaron for the great conversation. It was all interesring to me and especially the part where praying with shoes was discussed, the evolution of its importance for the salafies and how they trie to find justification for the changing position.. So it turns out it is not strictly Quran and Sunna but it is a mazhab of its kind. Yes it is and we see in the mosques how they are following same way of praying and attire which makes them instantly recognizable. While it is a fact that the Sahaba Kiram prayed in different ways and had different mazhabs of their own and different ways of bringing a fatwa, modern salafis follow only one line, one pattern and somebody decided this for them. Surely they will provide scriptural and hadith proof for this but somebody chose this for them in disregard of other views.
"I don't know what Salafiyah is, I asked my local Mowlana Saab what Vohobi is and he said they grow beards and hate the 4 Imams." Here, is your Paragraph summed up in 1 sentence.
I'm no salafi, but let's be careful of trying to find out the reason of an Islamic movement from Orientalists such as this guy, who claim he has no bias, but let's face it, they do.
Paul, for somebody that devoted time to think about the modernity and its implications, here is something interesting. Same like it is very rare to see a Muslim that knows and practices his religion converting to something else, it is also very hard to find somebody that practices and UNDERSTANDS his mazhab to become a salafi. Salafism although aims to restore the olden golden times is a very modern position perfectly suited to modern man that lost the ties to his past, is spiritually uprooted and thinks of him self that can figure out his religion by him self. Who needs learning and studying a centuries old tradition of academia and practice? This is modernism par excellence providing the badly needed relief from any kind of authority. Except the one that reinforces this notion.
Does holding salafi beliefs necessarily negate holding onto mazhabs? Mazhabs (from what I understand) are schools of thought of Fiqh (jurisprudence) basically the "how" to go about practicing Islam (how to pray, make ablution, a lot of "how to"s). Maybe with the Salafi understanding or movement, there are many slight nuances and different "groups" within it. But for me, I think it's possible for Salaf to stick to mazhab, (since mazhabs are already according to sunnah and Quran, founded by the 4 righteous Imam).
Salafis have a very one dimensional view of Islam. I'm not saying I'm better than them or anything. But it's pretty ignorant to believe that they are the true followers of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the sahabas, when they see the Prophet as just a regular man.
A Muslim that neglected his prayers for a period of time let's say a few months etc would be asking to make dua forgiveness to Allah as he/ she tries their best to maintain their prayers.a salafi would say " oh you must RECAPTURE THOSE months and complete them or you will be punished....so guess we have to take out that tally chart.salafis make prayers difficult for a beginner which gives MORE power to Shaitan to discourage the individual to maintain his or her prayers
Tq Paul for bringing new topic in your podcasts. JazakaAllahu Khair. Truly to know and understand what has been happening and developing within Islam, I think, is very very important indeed. As the Prophet said there shall be 73 coaches in Islamic train but only one will be truly safe. Certainly no Muslim wants to miss the Ahli Sunnah walJamaah coach(firqah). This advises shows that the borne Muslim doesn't have much advantage over the newly reverted. One has to be on one's toes to be on the the right path! To seriously learn, makes effort to understand and know the acceptable creeds and allowable practices! Me myself was borne AsSyaa-irah&/AlMaturidiyah Muslim family (a self claimed Ahli Sunnah walJamaah society). And only recently, perhaps less than 2 years ago, I reverted to Salafi. The reason has been, after making a serious study, alhamdulillah, I found that AsSyaa-irah&/AlMaturidiyah creeds were fundamentally based and developed on philosophical/kalamic axiom and arguments which in principle opposes the basis of Islamic fiqh/ilm principles and methodology/manhaj employed by Salafus-Sholeh Ulama' (that includes by all 4 main fiqh Mazhab Ulama'). The Kalam and/related rational deductive syllogism proofs for god existence employed by AsSyaa-irah&/AlMaturidiyah proponents or the similars is not valid. Their gaps filling exercises without a certainty prior knowledge as a qias/comparative examples are faulty (fasad) and also no one can claim knowing unseen (ghaib) without God' (Allah SWT) inspired(Wahy) knowledge (of course through His Prophets or Messengers) - meaning by necessity one must first know god before filling the gap! Construction of kalamic or philosophical axiom and arguments is liking a practice of weaving a beautiful basket but one must first have egg/s to fill it otherwise empty ! To me - the consequence is dire to one faith - one is not truly believing in (make a true syahadah) and worshipping Allah but one is only submitted to the god of the philosophical axiom and arguments gaps - derivative of arrangements of words@ kalam until one has a better evident or proof. The true Islamic creeds and practices (ibadah) are only from Allah SWT Wahyu - AlQuran, authentic aSunnah Rasulullah SAW and authentic Ijma' of Sahabat² (Rasulullah) RAa.
@@Toronado2 Imam Hanafi rA was a Salafi. He was borne and dead before both Abu Mansur AlMaturidi asd Abu Hassan Asyaari and so too Imam Malik rA, Imam Syafie rA and Imam Hambali rA.
@@Toronado2 I just wanted to tell you it is inconsistent to claim Hanafi while one is subscribing to Asya-irah or AlMaturidiyah creed. I follow Salafus-Sholeh Mazhab. All four Imans are Salafus-Sholeh Ulama' the same. Only from the beginning I was introduced to Imam Syafie rA so I follow his fiqh. You know after Othmaniah of Turkey fallen to democracy only the Hambaliah of Saudi Arabia has been retaining and practicing full Sunnah teaching. In my opinion now only the Mazhab of Imam Hambali rAa is remained protectedly(preseve) authentic. It so happen that Saudi official creed is Salafi since they follows Imam alMujaddid Syeikh Muhammad Abdul Wahab àlHambaliah rA (who was a Salafi).
@@matishakabdullah5874 Listen, I didn't ask for non of that. Why are you playing stupid? Let me ask my question again; "Which one of the Madhabs did you belong to?" Do you SEE the question? Or are you going to play stupid and give me something that is irrelevant to my question? If You Don't want to answer then say you don't want to reveal which Madhab you belonged to. Then I will understand that you are lying OR You don't Know your Madhab well enough to talk about it. Personally I think you never studied your Madhab and are a total Jahil.
But if you notice, the Salafis in KSA or those Salafis who follow Saudi Salafi “scholars” don’t worry about wearing turbans which was a garment the Prophet (PBUH) always wore.
Suggestions please, so we can look at them as well. Would love to hear from someone who's dealt with the lost manuscripts of Timbuktu. Or the Western African Islamic cannon. Perhaps there are giants we're missing.
The argument that Salafi movement started because these scholars wanted to appear distinct and gain status sounds weaker than a thread from what the guest scholar articulated. Come up with something better Orientalists, sorry.
**Blogging Theology**, this discussion does not bring the entirety of Manhaj of Salaf - rather the book limits the Salafi understanding to social practices. Getting out from one pothole only to fall into the other.
He never mentioned the point of the difference between salafism and other sects regarding the shirk and innovations related to graves and dead people. And also the strange dance/music festivals in sufism and shia!
I love blogging theology but have to say this time that this topic could have been better researched. Salafis came in different waves like feminism. Depending on the political climate, it changed. There is a channel called Bro Hajji. Paul, please check it out.
According to this guy the distinction of salafism is keeping long beard, praying in your shoes, keeping clothes above the ankle, and not mixing of the sexes. That's why I don't listen to non-mulims talk about islamic religion they don't know jack, like listening to the description of fruit's taste by someone who's never even had it.
@@shukeelc5177 yes, because by focusing the minor issues they try to distract from the major sins they are committing. So they keep people busy talking about none-issues.
Most hanafis follow the fiqh of abu haneefah not aqidah. They follow mostly deobandi aqidah due to the geographical location. Abu haneefah was considered amongst the salaf.
Dr Ali Jumaa ex mufti of Egypt said: alazhar scholars for hundreds of years agreed that we should take our deen from the salaf. He added: salafees brand themselves as the followers of salaff. This is very dangerous because indirectly claiming Al azhar are not following salaf.
If you r a shia or an extreme soufi or a khawarij like Ibadi or ISIS, every muslim wd not be willing to call you a sunni muslims. like myself, i don't believe in Imamah so a shia wd not consider me a shia muslim. if i don't see that "Mawlana" Roumi receives direct revelations from Allah, then a Naqchabandi Soufi would never accept me inside his tekkia.
Salafism or wahabism term is a new islam branch or new religion invented by the British occupation of the Arab countries like in the Arab peninsula. The salafism aka (wahabism) is similar to the Shia religion which is also invented after the destruction of the Persian empire. The British empire in ww1 with brother Lowrance the commander who managed to create what we called it today wahabism(salafism) movement that destroyed the ottomans empire which is also considered Muslim and salafiesm mob or followers in the 19 century used to attack muslims in Levant countries killling and robbinv from thier Arab Muslims because according to salafiem Levant people are non believer and they worship the prophet and the prophet companions. Salafism(wahabism) after they conspired with British against thier brother Muslims the ottomans took control of Arab peninsula and called it(saudi arabia) and thier first job was destroying all Muslims ruins in Makkah and Madina because according to them its considered blasphemy which what British want which is destroying the Muslims history. Even salafism(wahabism) folllowers tried to remove the prophet tomb from mosque but this caused a fanfare in the muslim world and they feared that Arab will attack the wahabism movement. So the point is after reading g the dark history of salafism(wahabism) you will deduce that it's not good idea to follow wahabism aka salafism. The true islam religion came from Syria which is the center of Islam in Damascus because the umayyad Khalifat or all Arabs moved to syria
@@BloggingTheology And do we make non-Muslims the ones who evaluate and judge Muslims! He will not understand the Qur'an until he understands the Salafis
الأخ هارون لم يفرق بين التبرج واختلاط الجنسين التبرج هو تخفيف النساء ملابسها مثل الملابس الشفافه وتقصير الملابس اما الاختلاط هذا فصل بين الجنسين في أماكن العمل والصلاة لسد الذرائع
Hey Aaron, read and do a little more effort and seeking the facts, and do not say we when you come to conclusions rather use I to differentiate between your understanding to whatever you understood from certain texts as scholars have laid out the understanding to those verses very well over the decades so all you need to do is read before saying bunch of nonsense that wasted our time. The only reason I listened to this video is because I am subscribed to this channel is that I like and I appreciate Paul’s effort
Islamic knowledge is taken from the people of Islam and not from orientalists who do not even believe that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a messenger
this movement if they learn to hv more adab n wisdom in their approach… more people will stop n listen… it’s gd to right the wrong… bt it’s better to do it with wisdom for guidance only comes frm Allah…
I dont see the need to call yourself a salafi as a muslim. The prophet pbuh didnt call himself a salafi neither did the sahaba. So offcourse its a modern movement like there were many in islamic history
Salafi means the follower of the predecessors. Our Best Predecessors are Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and His sahaba, Tabi'in, and then Tabiut Tabi'in. It has authentically been reported on the Prophet ﷺ that during the sickness from which he died from, he said to Faatimah, radhiAllaahu anha: “…So fear Allaah and have patience. And I am the best Salaf (predecessor) for you.” The Prophet ﷺ didn't follow anyone, except الله سبحانه وتعالى commands.
Salafis follow Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and we don’t go around saying we are salafis to random people but we say we are Muslims and we only say we are salafis if we have to in cases for example where we must differentiate ourselves from misguided muslims and deviant sects of islam such as the shia and others!
Wrong we need to use those names to separate between the sects that disobey the Quran and sunnah and sahabas and claim following them while changing the meanings of the text and ignoring many other texts while accepting many inauthentic hadiths to promote their corrupted beliefs , so yeah we use those names like salafi and so on to distinguish between those kind of so called muslims and the pure muslims who follows exactly the predecessor . We can't just say i am a muslim and stops right there , we wish to do so but today things are different , they will think i am a shia or sufi of asharia or khariji ....etc lol i seek refuge of allah from those sects.
@@user-hn8ge7fi7n Are you REALLY following *Salaf-e-Saliheen?* Do you follow the commandments of Allah in *Business, Economics, Criminal Laws, Social Laws, International Laws & Politics?*
@@MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn Do you follow the commandments of Allah in yourself and your family? Do you know that it is not permitted to draw anything that depicts animate beings? Why do you have that on your profile picture?
What Quran speaks about "people" contemporaries what they call "sahaba" a term not in the Quran, the Islamic deen orders The muslim not to follow his fathers, labeling fathers as do not know and do not comprehend. How would Allah order his believers to follow people the majority of them He has condemned in the Quran . The Oneness of Allah in Salafi concept has hands (both are right)!!!!! has legs has eyes, sits, stands, come down and goes up has a chair .......... refer to Ibn Taymiyeh the description of Allah.!!!!!!
Salafi, are historically called HASHAWIYEH. this means fillings ( in terms of stuffing's pillow, mattress) meaning superficial w/o depth. This movement, would label all non Salafi Muslims as infidels. They would attribute GOD with hands and body parts hand face legs dimensions ...... human like. The core sunnah scholars have concluded that Salafis are not part of the Sunnah. Chechnya Aug 2016.
Salafism is a way of life not a movement or sect. Salafi means following the salaf (first three generations of muslims including Sahaba) in understanding Quran and Sunnah. Salafism is pure Islam. The Salafi worships God as Sahaba did. 33 79
@saber you have problem with orthodox implementation of straight up Quran,sunnah and how the first three generation of muslim understood it? Congratulations.
unfortunately this person even though he's polite has no clue about the meaning of ''Salafisim'' Salaf means predecessor, i.e The Prophet Pbuh and the companions, anyone that adheres to his teachings in Aqeedah/creed is a salafi, they don't have to profess it, let alone believe in the term, but the idea is just that. So when this guy comes along speaking about thick Mustaches, clothes being above the ankle etc, it shows his lack of knowledge and indicates how flawed his research is. The only reason this Salafi term exists is to emphasis on Aqeedah and u cant speak Salafisim if u don't understand/ familiar with that concept
*Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab ibn Sulayman al-Tamimi started the Salafi/Wahhabi movement 250 years ago. He is the spiritual forefather of modern-day Salafi Kharijites groups.*
Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab was following the creed of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Taymiyyah was following the creed of Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Ahmad ibn Hanbal he was following the creed of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad, and this Salafism is to be guided by the understanding of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad of the Qur’an and the Sunnah because they are the ones who understood the Qur’an and the Sunnah directly from the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and their words are from the Qur’an and the Sunnah with evidence The clear understanding of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad. Certainly the Shiites, the Sufis, the Maturidians, the Naqshbandi and the Ash’aris did not imitate the companions of the Prophet Muhammad in belief and worship, but rather they were imitating their late sheikhs who innovated in the religion. The revolution of Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab was necessary because he was prevented from conveying the message of monotheism and fled to Imam Muhammad ibn Saud, who promised to protect him. Then the war began between the people of monotheism and the supporters of the Ottoman worshipers of shrines. And this is one of the beautiful days for the Arabs that we expelled the worshipers of shrines
NO! sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab only REVIVED the ideology of the Salaf in the Arabian peninsula and later it spread worldwide and it was revived elsewhere around the world, like in my home country Albania, Alhamdulillah.
@@shsaif3306 Because you are ignorant of history, the first Saudi state was a movement for unification and the English had no presence in the Arab countries because it was a revolution before the First World War The third Saudi state, there was a political vacuum from the Ottomans after its fall in the First World War, and the competition was between Al-Sharif and Al Saud The House of Saud, as soon as they united the Saudi state, allied themselves with America, not Britain Perhaps you mean the Great Arab Revolt of the Sharif of Mecca against the Ottomans But despite that, the Arabs could not stand the presence of the Sufi Ottomans who spread polytheism in the Arabian Peninsula, which was on the religion of their ancestors in Islamic monotheism, and their expulsion was inevitable for religious reasons and also to preserve Arab culture and Arab dignity from the arrogant Turks.
I'm not a salafi or a scholar, but you call this guy a scholar in Islam? This is embarassing. What's beard got to do with theology (aqidah)? He could've bring the grave visitation or grave sanctification in mosques, this may give more relevance with theology... Also his focus study mainly in egypt, this lead Muslim Brotherhood I suppose... and they supposedly passive? What about Wahabism comes from Arabia? And other the trivial things like gender segregation.... as if it'll give significant differences to other sects... as Paul question him about the dressing code as other sects also can follow the similar code... Also it's not only the salaf who are trying to differentiate from the modern secular western paradigm, eg, sufis, as many independence movements initiated by them.
I heard Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) saying, "Allah does not take away the knowledge, by taking it away from (the hearts of) the people, but takes it away by the death of the religious learned men till when none of the (religious learned men) remains, people will take as their leaders ignorant persons who when consulted will give their verdict without knowledge. So they will go astray and will lead the people astray." (Al-Bukari: Book 3; 42)
Beware of this individual. Do not take your religion from non-muslims, clean shaven, liberals, western "academics", who make false claims regarding the righteous predecessors of the religion of Islam (Salaf us-Saalih), that promote/praise revolutionists.
Lol 😅…this isn’t a religious discussion but an academic one. So there is no point of talking about ‘taking religion from non Muslims’ . Only people who are inclined to intellectual discourse will appreciate it.
@@hamzatniyi3541 People who are inclined to intellectual discourse listen to scholars. The scholars are the most academic and some have written works which reach 80 books in volume revolving around one topic. If you think this is academic then you are gullable deprived and have been fooled.
Thank you 😊😊
It helped me
Jazakallah khair
It's historical insight that's on display in this video. Most have no clue about Wahabi/Salafi history! If we really knew we'd be shocked 😲
I'm salafi for 18 years now. and I'm a student of knowledge. It's the 1st time I hear some one analyze so could salafizm by tracking the history of wearing shoes in prayer. Trust me he doesn't know what he's talking about even if he is a professor in Honolulu university
The only video I disliked other than Khalil Andani’s 🧇
I totally agree.
I think he is focusing on the Hanbali jurisprudence.
This guy talks about the rise of Salafism in the 20th century
Blogging Theology is a great platform. It harkens back to early Islam in which ideas are openly discussed snd explained. To bury one’s head in the sand and say I have all I need to know, goes against what we are commanded to do - read, learn and practice our faith. Learning about Islam never ends as we have to stay on top of our knowledge and faith. To practice our faith we must continue the basics but work on self improvement, self group.
@Hidetaka Miyazaki haha you ignaramus its a battle of ideas
@Hidetaka Miyazaki he also brings in salafis scholars and experts as wel the best ideas will win you think we should deplatform people that is a weakass cowardly mindset doesnt matter who he brings on if you are faithfull you can clearly see the descrepancies if you get affected you are just pathetic and weak.
@Hidetaka Miyazaki taking knowledge is not at issue. Discussing different ideas within the community is paramount. If you don’t address things they go underground. This leads to undesirable outcomes.
@Hidetaka Miyazaki
REFUTE the IDEA instead of POOPOOING the PERSON. If You don't have the intelligence then at least have some decency.
@Hidetaka Miyazaki This is a secular and academic discussion, anyone "taking knowledge" from this is silly
Salafism is the Islamic idea rooted in the Quran and Sunna in light of the Salaf and the elasticity to accommodate on going new issues that are relevant to Human experiences and conditions. The wahy has stopped but the Sharia continues.
*I love this channel, I am glad I clicked on that one video!!*
Why would any Muslim wish to ascribe themselves to a modern movement which casts aspersion and doubt on the competency of the majority of the Ulema of the past?
I feel much safer following a madhab with thousands of years worth of scholarship that has chains going back to the Salaf 😊.
exactly 💯
Alhamdulillah we are upon the way of imam Ahmad ra.
@@Unknown_.01 imam Ahmed what? Like full name
@@businessisboomin7252 Ahmad ibn hanbal
@@Puppeteer1453 is he the founder of hanbali mazhab?
My comment was removed maybe by TH-cam but I’ll comment again. Salafiyyah is not a modern phenomenon, but rather the way Islam was understood by the Sahabah and their followers. There’s no need for some orientalist to tell us what is originally part of our religion and what is not. The prophet ﷺ said “the scholars are the inheritors of the prophets” so Islamic knowledge is sought from the scholars, not orientalists. Islam is not some dead religion that needs to be rediscovered and explained by orientalists, it has scholars to defend it. It would’ve been much better to bring a Muslim scholar to discuss Salafism, or a student of Islam like Abdulrahman Hassan or Uthman bin Farooq.
So because Salafis debated concerning the length of a beard that makes Salafiyyah a new phenomenon? Also, the scholars disputed whether it’s haram or not to have the pants below the ankles and it’s an acceptable difference of opinion, it doesn’t make Salafiyyah a new phenomenon.
Ibn al-‘Arabi, a Maliki scholar who died in 1148, said in ‘Aaridat al-Ahwadhi (7/238):
It is not permissible for a man to let his garment go beyond his ankle and say that he is not being arrogant by doing so, because the text mentions the prohibition and refers to the reason, and it is not permissible for anyone to say I am not one of those referred to in the text, because the reason does not apply to me, because that attitude goes against sharee’ah and is an unacceptable claim. It is a kind of arrogance to make one’s garment and izaar longer, so he is definitely lying.”
He brings minor disputes within Muslims and makes it seem like it’s a whole different phenomenon.
At the time of the prophet men and women would have separate doors at mosques. And when they finished praying, the women would leave first then the men. Then when they were at the streets, the prophet ﷺ commanded the women to walk away from the men to not free mix with them in the streets.
Abu Usayd al-Ansari narrated that he heard Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) say to the women on his way out of the mosque when he saw men and women mixing together on their way home:
‘Give way (i.e., walk to the sides) as it is not appropriate for you to walk in the middle the road.’ Thereafter, women would walk so close to the wall that their dresses would get caught on it. Narrated by Abu Dawood in "Kitab al-Adab min Sunanihi, Chapter: Mashyu an-Nisa Ma’ ar-Rijal fi at-Tariq."
Umm Salamah (May Allah be pleased with her) said that after Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said "as-Salamu ‘Alaykum wa Rahmatullah’ twice announcing the end of prayer, women would stand up and leave. He would stay for a while before leaving. Ibn Shihab said that he thought that the staying of the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) was in order for the women to be able to leave before the men who wanted to depart." Narrated by al-Bukhari under No. 793.
Abu Dawood under No. 876 narrates the same hadith in Kitab al-Salaat under the title "Insiraaf an-Nisaa’ Qabl al-Rijaal min al-Salaah" (Departure of Women before Men after the Prayer). Ibn ‘Umar said that Allah’s Messenger (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: "We should leave this door (of the mosque) for women." Naafi’ said: "Ibn ‘Umar never again entered through that door until he died." Narrated by Abu Dawood under No. 484 in "Kitab as-Salah" under the Chapter entitled: "at-Tashdid fi Thalik".
Abu Hurayrah said that the Prophet (May peace and blessings be upon him) said: ""The best of the men’s rows is the first and the worst is the last, and the best of the women’s rows is the last and the worst in the first." Narrated by Muslim under No. 664
Abdulrahman Hassan the student isn't the same as Sh Uthman Ibn Farooq.
@@user-s8jb3qb6y Abdulrahman Hassan has a PhD.
قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه والسلم : (ذع ما يريبك الى ما لا يريبك ) فعلا ان الخوض في الجدال ينسي المسلم في هدفه الاساسي وهو عبادة الله والعمل الصالح خاصة اذا كان الشخص مسلما جديدا مثل صاحب القناة . اللهم انا نسألك الهداية
@@MohammedAlSharif2002
He has 2 phDs and working on his 3rd
@@smilelikeababy9435 exactly 🤦🏻♀️
I wonder how it's like to have a name like Dr. Rock-Singer ☺️
JazaakAllah Khair Paul for pushing back some of the generalization made by Dr Aaron. Dr Aaron may have overlooked many other implications certain practices which I assume cannot be understood from outside. Brother Paul wonderfully explained the meaning and intent behind certain practice and not generalizing them as merely as a reactionary act against changing society.
Salafism is not a movement, it’s the origin. It’s a way of life. Salafi means following the Salaf (the first three generations of Islam.
It's a movement that started with ibn Abdul Wahab. Look it up...
@@kemikali
Ibn Abdulwahab is Hanbali 🤫
@BF109G4 Hanbalis didn't kill Muslims claiming they were disbelievers. It started with him. To this day they are very harsh on Muslims but do not lift a finger in defending them. Do your research my bro.
@@kemikali
Abu Bakir fought over Zakat, Ibn Abdulwahab fought over Shirk.
BTW, this is a civil war between Arabian tribes and you don’t have the right to talk about it so shut up.
@BF109G4 Spoken like a true Wahabi👍🏼. All you gotta do is research the subject, you'll be shocked. I definitely was. It all makes sense afterwards. It's a sensitive topic, but reality will always exist. People can still follow it if they want to but the real history is a game changer for many.
may Allah guide the sincere believers to true Islam found only in The Noble Quran and authentic hadiths (Sunnah) with the understanding of the pious predecessors (the Salaf including the Sahaba)! 🤲🏻 ameen.
Ameen
ءاميين
Why did you specify ‘authentic’ hadith? The criteria of the ahle sunnati wal jamah is not to ascribe only to the ahadith that have been specified as Sahih, but rather any hadith that comes from the prophet without contradiction to other parts of the scripture and deen. Except for the maudu, because those ahadith we are certain to not be from the Prophet.
Ameen
@@kemikali so they dont consider wahabi to be on correct path?
This guy is wrong about the beard 20:00
Salafis keep the beard because it is a command of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and it is obligatory according to the 4 major schools of fiqh. It has nothing to do with 21st century.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “Cut the moustache and let the beard grow; be different from the unbelievers.” (al-Bukhari, al-Libas, 5442; Muslim, al-Taharah, 382)
Wrong. Not all madhabs agree it’s obligatory for example shaifi believes it’s sunnah. Furthermore their is no Ijma on the issue. His point is what happens when salafis take a literal approach and believe they have authority to derive fiqh rulings from Hadith and make their own ijtihad when that domain falls only to the scholars.
@@coolsticks99 propeth muhammad has beard
@@coolsticks99 There is a difference in saying Imam ash-Shafi’i believed something, and that it is a view of the Shafi’i mathab. Imam ash-Shafi’i himself believed it is haraam to shave the beard. Please be accurate before you speak on Islamic rulings brother. Moreover regardless of the point about making ijtihaad, as a Muslim one should simply fear Allah as much as he can by leaving what makes him doubt according to his level of knowledge. Since there are many many scholars who believe it to be haraam to trim the beard past the fist length, and they have their proof for that, it is upon the layman muslim to do his best to follow the safest opinion. We are commanded to follow the Prophet salAllahu alayhi wasallam, and many of his hadiths are clear as day and can be implemented by the layman muslim. For example do you need centuries of scholars to tel you that pork is haraam, or that you shouldn’t get tattoos, or that you have to say SalAllahu alayhi waslaam when the prophet is mentioned? No, all you need to do is read the hadith that tells you that Allah’s curse is upon the one who doesn’t do that.
@@user-ze9tj9yj4t I implore you to pick up a introductory book on usual Al fiqh because what you just said is not at all how fiqh/islamic legal theory works and imam shaifi (May Allah forgive him) himself recognizes that his opinion was just that, an “opinion “. He acknowledged it had no Ijma and therefore subject to dispute so he told his students to not take his opinions as clear cut as he too could have been wrong. Just because a lot of scholars say it’s “haram” (which I wouldn’t even go as far as saying that maybe makrooh at best) doesn’t mean theirs Ijma/majority on it and the opinion of the fist length is even a lesser opinion among scholars (most of salafi scholars hold this opinion).
Additionally scholars throughout history encouraged laymen such and you and I to pick and choose rulings/opinions that is most lenient to us so to not burden us provided it’s from a qualified scholar (heavy emphasis on qualified). Your statement that all we need is Hadith is a very ignorant comment that goes against usual Al fiqh and 1000+ of scholarship. What laymen need is to listen to qualified scholars and follow rulings from them in which you have no knowledge in. Recognize that it’s just an opinion that is subject to dispute and NOT a universal thing among Muslims. Follow whoever you find trustworthy and other Muslims will follow who they think is trustworthy (even if what they follow is diff from yours) and go your own way because arguing on what’s haram and halal is a form of ijtihad which belongs only to scholars to delve into and totally forbidden against laymen such as us. Be carful using the word “haram” so lightly:
“We address the respectful scholars who tackle the word “ haram ” easily and set it free in their writings and fatwas that they should observe that Allah is watching over them in all that they say or do. They should also know that this word “ haram ” is very dangerous. It means that Allah’s Punishment is due on a certain act or saying, and should not be based upon guessing, whims, weak Hadiths, not even through an old book. It has to be supported by a clear, well-established text or valid consensus. If these last two are not found, then we revert the given act or saying to the original rule: “permissibility governing things”. We do have a good example to follow from one of our earlier pious scholars. Imam Malik (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: “It was not the habit of those who preceded us, the early pious Muslims, who set good example for the following generations, to say, ‘This is halal , and this is haram . But, they would say, ‘I hate such-and-such, and maintain such-and-such, but as for halal and haram , this is what may be called inventing lies concerning Allah. Did not you hear Allah’s Statement that reads, ‘Say: Have you considered what provision Allah has sent down for you, how you have made of it lawful and unlawful? Say: Has Allah permitted you, or do you invent a lie concerning Allah?” (Yunus: 59) For, the halal is what Allah and His Messenger made lawful, and the haram is what Allah and His Messenger made unlawful.”
Again I recommend you pick up a book on Islamic legal theories and how it ties into the modern era to better understand.
I’d recently read Dr Rock-Singer’s book and found the discussion very insightful. I’d be interested in hearing a discussion extending his research and theories beyond the societies focused upon in his book and within a western societal context, since it would appear that western Salafis (like myself) had inadvertently adopted some of the societal constructs and discussions of those Muslim countries alongside our religious understandings/adherence to dress codes etc. thereby obscuring the sociopolitical and socioreligious contexts with each overlapping in various instances.
Barakallahu feekum and thank you to brother Paul, Dr Aaron and Blogging Theology team. :)
Paul, sir,
I pay you a huge thank-you!
Sensitive wobblers in the comments I see. Everything winds them up. Interesting they are on this channel. Has someone issued a rallying call for them to bombard the comments with their bullcrap. Keep up the great work Paul.
Very scholarly dismissal indeed. Kudos.
Brother Paul, I thank you for your commitment. I enjoy your varied content. I hope you will cover the formation of the Salafiyyah with an Muslim scholar aswell to get a more contrasted, nuanced perspective. May peace and blessings be upon you.
Assalam Alaykum. But Ash'ari-Maturid and Mo'tazela and Shi'ites saw Salafiyyah as extremist movement and they hate it so much. Do you think they will appreciate that?
It is better to host Sheikh Hassan Somali discussing this book as a Salafi man than to listen to a man who does not understand our religion or our culture and lives in another continent.
Really interesting, thank you.
Just want to make clear I have a deep appreciation for your work brother Paul. Despite being baffled at times.
I am one of fast majority followers of Salaf Salih (first disciples of the prophet Mohammed صلى الله عليه وسلم) but I find the modern salafi making every other Muslim look wrong Muslim and they are self centered, may Allah guide them.
I don't find his thesis particularly strong. I would say to all Muslim brothers and sisters, do not go extreme and cause division in your religion with simple matters like length of one's beard, listen to Quran: Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me. And [yet] they divided their affair among themselves, [but] all to Us will return. So whoever does righteous deeds while he is a believer - no denial will there be for his effort, and indeed We, of it, are recorders. [21 : 92-94]
Jazakallah for your comment. I was looking for something like this 👍🏽
Great discussion as per usual. Jzk
Excellent talk
Thank you Paul for this excellent discussion. I have read some books of Salafism from authors like Albani, Bin Baz, Uthaimeen etc. I do not follow Salafi approach to interacting with source texts; rather, I follow the classical approach of Usul al-Fiqh and Maqasid al-Shariah established by our classical scholars and revisited from time to time to accommodate the social condition and context of the current reality.
I found this discussion academic, beneficial, and detached from emotional anchors. Though I love my Salafi brothers for sticking to an approach they consider is the correct way to understand and practice the deen, I have more negative perspective on their approach to scholarship.
May God Almighty bless you for another excellent discussion.
May allah guide you to the path of the Salaf, the prophet and his sahaba
@@hasanab1626Traditional Muslims are already on that.
Hmmmm? The prophet Muhammad pbuh recommended to adopt physical appearance of him because HIS role model was Abraham pbuh. Recommended hence sunnah
Salafism is a modern movement calling to the way of the Salaf however it neglects the opinions of most of the Khalaf, picks and choose among the Salaf-ul-Saliheen and may strictly follow one over another, begins to oppose the madhabs (some may still follow) and unfortunately is the beginning of knowledge disappearing with the death of scholars as prophesied. We’ve even seen books and hadith tampered with.
The youth are easily attracted to the movement because it’s easier to convince them how wrong their parents are (since some parents may do wrong especially because of culture).
May Allah guide us in this time of peril and we seek refuge in Allah from Shaytan
who told you books and hadiths have been tampered with? “shaykhs” Hamza Yusuf and Yasir Qadhi, who say it’s ok to worship and pray to the dead and at their graves and tombs, aslong as you don’t consider them to be the same as Allah! may Allah guide you and them to true islam 🤲🏻 ameen.
@@muslimresponse103 I’m not going to get into an argument for something some of the Salaf would be guilty for in your viewpoint because debating it is not my concern since I do not practice it.
For the past few three decades this movement continues to condemn the Khalaf into the fire in their eyes as though only “now” we somehow got “true Islam”, May Allah guide you and me brother.
@@fahidhussain2780 how then what is “correct” Islam? Asharism and Maturidism?
@@MohammedAlSharif2002 the Prophet (saw) told us what to do in these times near the last day and that is stick to the majority. Stick to the Ahlul Sunnah, the scholars will be gone and many have already and along with it knowledge! Soon all that will be left is a people who remembered their ancestors for saying “La Ilaha IlAllah”
And just whose that idiot who told you the Hadith Corpus has been tampered with?
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In a world where intelligence, and appreciation for intellectuals and scholarship is scarce this platform is a beacon of hope.
Very good discussion and great take on Salafism from Dr. Aaron Rock-Singer.
Hey, brother Paul I did not get the point about Tawheed and Adah, monotheism and custom. How do Salafiyys connect those?
You will not understand anything from them. They are Westerners who do not know our culture or our religion. Ask the Muslim Arabs only.
As an Arab Muslim:
Monotheism (altawhid) means the worship of God directly without an intermediary, whether it is an idol, a shrine, or a religious man, and it is the message of the prophets.
Like building shrines according to the Sufis, or building idols according to Buddhism, or the key to heaven from the priests to the Christians, as if idols, shrines and churchmen had a divine attribute in intercessions and the admission of people to heaven
custom: They are the Arab customs and traditions that Islam did not oppose and perhaps Islam supports: such as marriage rites, death rites, treatment of tribal and individual problems between members of society that are not resolved in Islamic courts, etc.
Example: It is from the Sunnah to feed only the people of the dead and to offer condolences to the family of the deceased only, but we feed them and we stand beside them from the same tribe for three days.
Example: Any issue of blood that is dealt with in court, but because the court does not deal with this problem, it can be solved according to Arab customs in different ways by pardoning or paying millions or what is acceptable to the people of the murdered as a solution.
In marriage: Financial support is provided to the groom from his relatives, tribe and friends to hold a good marriage ceremony. This is not from the teachings of Islam, but it is certainly a good thing.
It is so strange he is American, based in America, and specializes in the Salafi movement but his research doesn't seem to look at the American Salafi movement at all. I wonder why that is
This is an interesting observation. I too have the same as question.
Dear Paul, I love you for the sake of Allah. You are an indispensable platform for Muslims and people who want to learn more about Islam.
What a great conversation.
After watching I tried to summarize what I learned but I couldn't. I found the talking points and the narrative being constructed quite unconvincing. In fact the narrative he wants to construct is very blurry to begin with, I didn't even get a good idea of what that is.
It seems to me mr Paul that you have done the right move inviting a specialist to deconstruct and understand the subject at hand. Knowing the influence you have on some Muslims as well as Muslim converts and soon to be converts. The version of Islam you present to them, whether it's one of deep spirituality and inclusivity on one hand, or one of exclusiveness and to much concern in exoterism on the other, is crucial to your life in both worlds in my opinion.
'With great power comes great responsibility '😄.
So, we have to learn Islam from a non Muslim orientalist??? Rock-singer is the new Shaikhul Islam 😭😭😭😭
@@TareqKhan0 Yes we do if the said orientalist is specialist and non biased.
The Prophet pbuh is reported to have said : "the Word of wisdom is the lost property of the believer. Wherever he finds it, he is most deserving of it."
@@smilelikeababy9435 Islam in theory doesn't change. However , The practice of it does.
For instance The religiosity of Ibn Taymiyya is far different from al Hajaj although both are Muslims, their understanding of Islam is different. But one is a revered scholar and the other is mass murderer.
@@smilelikeababy9435 the word authentic is applicable to all Muslims not only you. As for Quran memorization at 6, good for you! although the generalization you made doesn't stand.
@@smilelikeababy9435 I think you reading to much into this. You can't judge him based on one interview that doesn't conform to your way of thinking. If anything he is much closer to salafism than he is any to any other movement within Islam. He is always quoting the imam Ahmad an cheikh ibn Taymiyya. As for his motifs we can only stick to what the Prophet pbuh thought us: we only judge people based on the apparent.
Those who r mad on turm salafiya then who gonna dislike this hadith?Alaikum be sunnathi wa sunnathi khulafaye rashidun wa madhiyoon ❤
Dear Paul, I recommend you bring shaikh uthman ibnul Farooq on this topic . Thanks!
May Allah subhanehu weteala reward you for your efforts
Please please do
What is the difference between wahabism & salafism? Maybe an idea for a video or any book recommendations pls?
I honestly see no difference, but the ones who do distinguish between them restrict Wahhabism to Saudia Arabian Salafism, whereas Salafism is a general term that includes other strands of Salafism in Egypt, the Levant, North Africa, Central and South Asia, and the West. However, Saudi Arabia remains the intellectual centre and financial supporter of the sect. As such, all Salafis respect Saudi Arabian, Najdi scholars more than any other scholar. Thus, in my view, Wahhabism is a more accurate and objective term than Salafism. That said, Salafis consider it offensive and insist that they are followers of the Salaf. Hence, the term Salafism gradually became more popular than Wahhabism.
Book recommendations:
The Making of Salafism: Islamic Reform in the Twentieth Century
Rethinking Salafism: The Transnational Networks of Salafi 'Ulama in Egypt, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia
Wahhabism and the World: Understanding Saudi Arabia's Global Influence on Islam
Intellectual Life in the Ḥijāz before Wahhabism: Ibrahim al-Kurani’s (d. 1101/1690) Theology of Sufism
Wahhabism and the Rise of the New Salafists: Theology, Power and Sunni Islam
Ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab (Makers of the Muslim World)
Wahhabism: A Critical Essay
A Critique of the Palmyran Creed: Deconstructing Ibn Taymiyya's Theology of Resemblance
Ibn Taymiyya and His Times
The Life of Ibn Hanbal by Ibn al-Jawzi
The Formation of Hanbalism: Piety into Power
The Hanbali School of Law and Ibn Taymiyyah: Conflict or Concilation
Dear brother Paul Allah bless you you are doing great work on this planet and we love you
JazakALLAHukhairan
The word "Salafiyyah" is NOT from the Sunnah.
The word "Salafi" is NOT from the Sunnah.
Even the word "salaf" as used the Sectarians is NOT from the Sunnah.
They searched the entire hadith databases & found just 1 usage of the word 'salaf' then they misused it for their own ends.
The only well established labels or names from the Sunnah are:
"ahl asSunnah walJama'ah" and "khayrulQuroon".
And from the khayrulQuroon, we follow 1 of the Schools of Fiqh such as Hanafis or Malikis (or the later Shafi'is or Hambalis).
And this has been Islam for 1400 years untill the Salafis changed it in modern times.
The Salafiyyah religion/sect has been propagated throughout the world by brainwashed young students of the University of Madinah.
Albani popularised the salafi sect amongst the Arabs especially the young during the 1970s.
Albani was influenced by Salafiyyah as a teenager when he read the al-manar magazine written by the infamous salafi Rashid Rida (d 1935) who was also a freemason.
Rida's teacher/mentor was the salafi Abduh (d 1905) who was a also a Grandmaster of the Freemasons.
Abduh was the disciple of Jamaluddin Afghani.
Afgani, born in 1838 as a Shia, tried to "unify" all Muslims by preaching and writing against the madhabs/Schools of Fiqh. He was also a Freemason. His teacher was Ahmad alAhsai (b. 1753) who was a Twelver Shia who believed that he got his knowledge directly from the Prophet (saw) & the Imams in dreams!
The above is just 1 strand of the Salafiyyah religion. Another strand is the najdi/wahhabi movement which was united with Salafiyyah by Dr Taqi ad din Hilali - born in morocco 1893-1987.
Rashid Rida, the salafi freemason, wrote a letter of recommendation for him to give to King abdulAziz al Saud who then placed Hilali in various teaching positions in Madinah & Makkah thereby brainwashing Muslims to the Salafiyyah religion.
Bin baz invited him to teach at MU 1967.
Bin baz also invited albani to teach st MU.
Hilali was the best friend of Arp Arsalan - another Freemason!
Question to ask is, WHO ADVISED THE BLIND BIN BAZ TO PICK THESE CHARACTERS TO BRAINWASH MUSLIMS???
Because bin Baz as a Wahabi has that for a mition.
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Wow he lives in my city. Go Badgers 🎉
Great interview. Enjoyed this. Bring him on again.
Please also consider bringing on Dr.
Natana J. DeLong-Bass who has authored an interesting book on "Wahabism".... This will be a great follow up to this session. She also has some useful insights.
DeLong-Bas's book is very partial. "I'm sad this piece of scholarly trash was published by Oxford," says Khaled Abou El Fadl, professor of law at UCLA who writes frequently on Islamic jurisprudence. "This doesn't qualify as scholarship -- it falls within the general phenomenon of Saudi apologetics." Michael J. Ybarra, reviewing DeLong-Bas's book in The Wall Street Journal, points out that "where on earth this [tolerant] form of Wahhabi Islam ever existed she doesn't say." Michael Sells, author of "Approaching the Qu'ran" and professor of religion at Haverford College, says "DeLong-Bas never challenges the propriety of Abd al-Wahhab's claim to absolute authority -- the authority to declare the believer and the unbeliever (authority God reserves to himself in the Koran) and to impose the most severe sanctions on those he disagrees with."
Most importantly, she has been financed by Saudi Arabia which is a huge problem. Stephen Schwartz, a Muslim convert and author of "The Two Faces of Islam," says "Revealingly, she thanks not just Esposito in the acknowledgments but also several prominent figures in the Saudi kingdom (where Wahhabism is the official religion), including Faisal bin Salman, whose status as a Saudi prince she omits mention; Abd Allah S. al-Uthaymin, son of a notorious member of the Wahhabi ulema; and Fahd as-Semmari, director of the King Abd al-Aziz Foundation for Research and Archives, in Riyadh. She thanks the latter foundation for financial support. There is much evidence that this volume was rushed into print as a response to the questions about Wahhabism asked by Westerners after September 11. That was entirely predictable; what was not is the markedly inferior quality of the effort."
@@dinomar7818 emotionalism has no role in matter of ilm/knowledge!
It is foolish to host academically Westerners who have not studied in Islamic universities to talk about the thought and books of Sheikh Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab, who do not know Arabic, instead of Salafi scholars who speak a lot of English.
You guys went on about the beard as if it's just something Muslims do to imitate the prophet, forgetting that it was a direct instruction from the prophet
Sahih Muslim 259a The messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard grow.
On the separation of men and women, let's not forget that ijmae of the scholars on the interpretation of the Quran or hadith in a given context is also a valid source of ruling in islam
While watching, in my mind, I was thinking, if this guest is Muslim, he is most likely a liberal Muslim. The only thing left was for him to waive all prophetic traditions as culture or explain why it was specific to that time or for a specific reason (just as you did on the shortening of trousers).
This guy's assumption about praying with shoes at 30:00 is laughable. Praying with shoe is permissible, but it is not obligatory. No Salafi make it a big issue. The following hadith clearly shows Prophet Muhammad pbuh removed shoes when it had dirt. There is no inconsistency here. This guy doesn't have understanding of even simple fiqh.
Abu Sa’id al-Khudri said: “While the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was leading his Companions in prayer, he took off his shoes and placed them to his left. When the people saw that, they took off their shoes too. When the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) finished his prayer, he asked, ‘What made you take off your shoes?’ They said, ‘We saw you take off your shoes, so we took ours off too.’ The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said, ‘Jibril (peace be upon him) came to me and told me that there was something dirty on them.’ When any one of you comes to the mosque, let him look and if he sees anything dirty on his shoes, let him wipe them and then pray in them.” (Abu Dawud, 650; classed as sahih by al-Albani in Sahih Abi Dawud, 605)
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم : (واسألوا اهل الذكر ان كنتم لا تعلمون ) لاتسألوا النصارى عن دينكم سواء كان باحث أو معتنق الاسلام جديد
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I love this site, Professor Paul, but this was an odd selection...
Literal meaning is an important aspect of Language and we can't deny it. It is the Husn(beauty) of Language that following Literal meaning it contains figurative and hieroglyphic character.
The idea of these groups as social movements is interesting. It's funny how Saudi cultural clothes or particular ways of wearing western clothes can show your theology sometimes. Though you definitely see other Muslim groups being distinct in clothing and appearance as well.
Also I believe the Salafi wave is dying down with political shifts in Saudi Arabia. I think the movement gave a lot of good to the ummah but the new Islamic intelligentsia seem to be much more balanced and nuanced in their understanding now.
I have a masters Degree in Theology from King Abdul Aziz University, this guy literally dont know about what Salafism is.
Want to see Wael Hallaq soon on Blogging theology
The beard is a part of Islam and imaan whether you are a salafi or not, all 4 imaams considered shaving the beard to be haraam, just my 2 cents from a short clip of this video. I would be cautious taking this much information about our religon from disbelievers.
As a practising salafi I agree with all your speech Paul when talking to this person he had a but for everything. He needs to read hadith like sahih al Bukhari and sahih Muslim and all the other hadith books which tell us how we should dress and grow the beard. Muhammad pbuh said differ from the pagans grow your beards and trim your mustaches sahih al Bukhari. Allah said if you really love Allah follow Muhammad peace be upon him and Allah will love you. Qur'an Al Imran. Yes salafis refer and is based everything upon the Qur'an and sunnah basically if we stick to these sources we will be safe from innovation and deviated sects.
Dr Aarón , one correction: Albaani did not say niqab was obligatory. Bin Baaz did.
Thanks so much Paul and Aaron for the great conversation.
It was all interesring to me and especially the part where praying with shoes was discussed, the evolution of its importance for the salafies and how they trie to find justification for the changing position.. So it turns out it is not strictly Quran and Sunna but it is a mazhab of its kind. Yes it is and we see in the mosques how they are following same way of praying and attire which makes them instantly recognizable. While it is a fact that the Sahaba Kiram prayed in different ways and had different mazhabs of their own and different ways of bringing a fatwa, modern salafis follow only one line, one pattern and somebody decided this for them. Surely they will provide scriptural and hadith proof for this but somebody chose this for them in disregard of other views.
"I don't know what Salafiyah is, I asked my local Mowlana Saab what Vohobi is and he said they grow beards and hate the 4 Imams."
Here, is your Paragraph summed up in 1 sentence.
I'm no salafi, but let's be careful of trying to find out the reason of an Islamic movement from Orientalists such as this guy, who claim he has no bias, but let's face it, they do.
Paul, for somebody that devoted time to think about the modernity and its implications, here is something interesting.
Same like it is very rare to see a Muslim that knows and practices his religion converting to something else, it is also very hard to find somebody that practices and UNDERSTANDS his mazhab to become a salafi.
Salafism although aims to restore the olden golden times is a very modern position perfectly suited to modern man that lost the ties to his past, is spiritually uprooted and thinks of him self that can figure out his religion by him self. Who needs learning and studying a centuries old tradition of academia and practice? This is modernism par excellence providing the badly needed relief from any kind of authority. Except the one that reinforces this notion.
Does holding salafi beliefs necessarily negate holding onto mazhabs? Mazhabs (from what I understand) are schools of thought of Fiqh (jurisprudence) basically the "how" to go about practicing Islam (how to pray, make ablution, a lot of "how to"s).
Maybe with the Salafi understanding or movement, there are many slight nuances and different "groups" within it. But for me, I think it's possible for Salaf to stick to mazhab, (since mazhabs are already according to sunnah and Quran, founded by the 4 righteous Imam).
Salafis have a very one dimensional view of Islam.
I'm not saying I'm better than them or anything.
But it's pretty ignorant to believe that they are the true followers of Prophet Muhammad pbuh and the sahabas, when they see the Prophet as just a regular man.
A Muslim that neglected his prayers for a period of time let's say a few months etc would be asking to make dua forgiveness to Allah as he/ she tries their best to maintain their prayers.a salafi would say " oh you must RECAPTURE THOSE months and complete them or you will be punished....so guess we have to take out that tally chart.salafis make prayers difficult for a beginner which gives MORE power to Shaitan to discourage the individual to maintain his or her prayers
Thats actually incorrect. A salafi would say you can't make up prayers and you need to make sincere repentance.
Tq Paul for bringing new topic in your podcasts. JazakaAllahu Khair.
Truly to know and understand what has been happening and developing within Islam, I think, is very very important indeed.
As the Prophet said there shall be 73 coaches in Islamic train but only one will be truly safe. Certainly no Muslim wants to miss the Ahli Sunnah walJamaah coach(firqah). This advises shows that the borne Muslim doesn't have much advantage over the newly reverted. One has to be on one's toes to be on the the right path! To seriously learn, makes effort to understand and know the acceptable creeds and allowable practices!
Me myself was borne AsSyaa-irah&/AlMaturidiyah Muslim family (a self claimed Ahli Sunnah walJamaah society). And only recently, perhaps less than 2 years ago, I reverted to Salafi. The reason has been, after making a serious study, alhamdulillah, I found that AsSyaa-irah&/AlMaturidiyah creeds were fundamentally based and developed on philosophical/kalamic axiom and arguments which in principle opposes the basis of Islamic fiqh/ilm principles and methodology/manhaj employed by Salafus-Sholeh Ulama' (that includes by all 4 main fiqh Mazhab Ulama').
The Kalam and/related rational deductive syllogism proofs for god existence employed by AsSyaa-irah&/AlMaturidiyah proponents or the similars is not valid. Their gaps filling exercises without a certainty prior knowledge as a qias/comparative examples are faulty (fasad) and also no one can claim knowing unseen (ghaib) without God' (Allah SWT) inspired(Wahy) knowledge (of course through His Prophets or Messengers) - meaning by necessity one must first know god before filling the gap!
Construction of kalamic or philosophical axiom and arguments is liking a practice of weaving a beautiful basket but one must first have egg/s to fill it otherwise empty !
To me - the consequence is dire to one faith - one is not truly believing in (make a true syahadah) and worshipping Allah but one is only submitted to the god of the philosophical axiom and arguments gaps - derivative of arrangements of words@ kalam until one has a better evident or proof. The true Islamic creeds and practices (ibadah) are only from Allah SWT Wahyu - AlQuran, authentic aSunnah Rasulullah SAW and authentic Ijma' of Sahabat² (Rasulullah) RAa.
Which one of the Madhabs did you belong to? I follow the Maturidi Aqeedah and Hanafi Madhab.
@@Toronado2
Imam Hanafi rA was a Salafi. He was borne and dead before both Abu Mansur AlMaturidi asd Abu Hassan Asyaari and so too Imam Malik rA, Imam Syafie rA and Imam Hambali rA.
@@matishakabdullah5874
Was that my question?
@@Toronado2
I just wanted to tell you it is inconsistent to claim Hanafi while one is subscribing to Asya-irah or AlMaturidiyah creed.
I follow Salafus-Sholeh Mazhab. All four Imans are Salafus-Sholeh Ulama' the same.
Only from the beginning I was introduced to Imam Syafie rA so I follow his fiqh.
You know after Othmaniah of Turkey fallen to democracy only the Hambaliah of Saudi Arabia has been retaining and practicing full Sunnah teaching. In my opinion now only the Mazhab of Imam Hambali rAa is remained protectedly(preseve) authentic.
It so happen that Saudi official creed is Salafi since they follows Imam alMujaddid Syeikh Muhammad Abdul Wahab àlHambaliah rA (who was a Salafi).
@@matishakabdullah5874
Listen, I didn't ask for non of that. Why are you playing stupid? Let me ask my question again;
"Which one of the Madhabs did you belong to?"
Do you SEE the question? Or are you going to play stupid and give me something that is irrelevant to my question? If You Don't want to answer then say you don't want to reveal which Madhab you belonged to. Then I will understand that you are lying OR You don't Know your Madhab well enough to talk about it. Personally I think you never studied your Madhab and are a total Jahil.
But if you notice, the Salafis in KSA or those Salafis who follow Saudi Salafi “scholars” don’t worry about wearing turbans which was a garment the Prophet (PBUH) always wore.
Brother Paul please bring some West African islamic scholars onto your platform.
Suggestions please, so we can look at them as well.
Would love to hear from someone who's dealt with the lost manuscripts of Timbuktu. Or the Western African Islamic cannon. Perhaps there are giants we're missing.
The argument that Salafi movement started because these scholars wanted to appear distinct and gain status sounds weaker than a thread from what the guest scholar articulated. Come up with something better Orientalists, sorry.
**Blogging Theology**, this discussion does not bring the entirety of Manhaj of Salaf - rather the book limits the Salafi understanding to social practices. Getting out from one pothole only to fall into the other.
He never mentioned the point of the difference between salafism and other sects regarding the shirk and innovations related to graves and dead people. And also the strange dance/music festivals in sufism and shia!
which is an attraction for those muslims who want to stick to the relegion without these irrational actions.
happy to see other people see through his "scholarship" his glaringly obvious bias.
I love blogging theology but have to say this time that this topic could have been better researched. Salafis came in different waves like feminism. Depending on the political climate, it changed. There is a channel called Bro Hajji. Paul, please check it out.
According to this guy the distinction of salafism is keeping long beard, praying in your shoes, keeping clothes above the ankle, and not mixing of the sexes. That's why I don't listen to non-mulims talk about islamic religion they don't know jack, like listening to the description of fruit's taste by someone who's never even had it.
He was talking about outward manifestation and not right or wrong. So, he is probably right to some extent.
Exactly...all of this is Sunnah
He's just like any other ignoramus infidel spewing nonsense without knowing anything
That is exactly what the Biddah Brigade's entire existence focuses on though isn't it
@@shukeelc5177 yes, because by focusing the minor issues they try to distract from the major sins they are committing. So they keep people busy talking about none-issues.
True.
Most hanafis follow the fiqh of abu haneefah not aqidah. They follow mostly deobandi aqidah due to the geographical location. Abu haneefah was considered amongst the salaf.
Dr Ali Jumaa ex mufti of Egypt said: alazhar scholars for hundreds of years agreed that we should take our deen from the salaf. He added: salafees brand themselves as the followers of salaff. This is very dangerous because indirectly claiming Al azhar are not following salaf.
Good and informative video
Also don't forget the hadith from the prophet (saw) about the first 3 generations
Interesting to learn how salafism has taken shape in Egypt.
If you r a shia or an extreme soufi or a khawarij like Ibadi or ISIS, every muslim wd not be willing to call you a sunni muslims. like myself, i don't believe in Imamah so a shia wd not consider me a shia muslim. if i don't see that "Mawlana" Roumi receives direct revelations from Allah, then a Naqchabandi Soufi would never accept me inside his tekkia.
Salafism or wahabism term is a new islam branch or new religion invented by the British occupation of the Arab countries like in the Arab peninsula. The salafism aka (wahabism) is similar to the Shia religion which is also invented after the destruction of the Persian empire. The British empire in ww1 with brother Lowrance the commander who managed to create what we called it today wahabism(salafism) movement that destroyed the ottomans empire which is also considered Muslim and salafiesm mob or followers in the 19 century used to attack muslims in Levant countries killling and robbinv from thier Arab Muslims because according to salafiem Levant people are non believer and they worship the prophet and the prophet companions. Salafism(wahabism) after they conspired with British against thier brother Muslims the ottomans took control of Arab peninsula and called it(saudi arabia) and thier first job was destroying all Muslims ruins in Makkah and Madina because according to them its considered blasphemy which what British want which is destroying the Muslims history. Even salafism(wahabism) folllowers tried to remove the prophet tomb from mosque but this caused a fanfare in the muslim world and they feared that Arab will attack the wahabism movement. So the point is after reading g the dark history of salafism(wahabism) you will deduce that it's not good idea to follow wahabism aka salafism. The true islam religion came from Syria which is the center of Islam in Damascus because the umayyad Khalifat or all Arabs moved to syria
Salamualaykum guys, is Dr. Aaron a muslim?
Wa alaykumu s-salam, no, I do not think he is.
@@BloggingTheology And do we make non-Muslims the ones who evaluate and judge Muslims!
He will not understand the Qur'an until he understands the Salafis
@@user-kj8yl6sn2z i didnt hear any judgment from aaron rock-singer he is offering us historical evidence from a interessting view point that.
الأخ هارون لم يفرق بين التبرج واختلاط الجنسين
التبرج هو تخفيف النساء ملابسها مثل الملابس الشفافه وتقصير الملابس
اما الاختلاط هذا فصل بين الجنسين في أماكن العمل والصلاة لسد الذرائع
Beards are awesome! On men…real men I mean 😊
Hey Aaron, read and do a little more effort and seeking the facts, and do not say we when you come to conclusions rather use I to differentiate between your understanding to whatever you understood from certain texts as scholars have laid out the understanding to those verses very well over the decades so all you need to do is read before saying bunch of nonsense that wasted our time. The only reason I listened to this video is because I am subscribed to this channel is that I like and I appreciate Paul’s effort
Islamic knowledge is taken from the people of Islam and not from orientalists who do not even believe that the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is a messenger
this movement if they learn to hv more adab n wisdom in their approach… more people will stop n listen… it’s gd to right the wrong… bt it’s better to do it with wisdom for guidance only comes frm Allah…
Actually wahabi and salafi are the same I get called both alot , and I know that they are the same .
I dont see the need to call yourself a salafi as a muslim. The prophet pbuh didnt call himself a salafi neither did the sahaba. So offcourse its a modern movement like there were many in islamic history
Salafi means the follower of the predecessors. Our Best Predecessors are Prophet Muhammad ﷺ and His sahaba, Tabi'in, and then Tabiut Tabi'in.
It has authentically been reported on the Prophet ﷺ that during the sickness from which he died from, he said to Faatimah, radhiAllaahu anha: “…So fear Allaah and have patience. And I am the best Salaf (predecessor) for you.”
The Prophet ﷺ didn't follow anyone, except الله سبحانه وتعالى commands.
Salafis follow Prophet Muhammad peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and we don’t go around saying we are salafis to random people but we say we are Muslims and we only say we are salafis if we have to in cases for example where we must differentiate ourselves from misguided muslims and deviant sects of islam such as the shia and others!
Wrong we need to use those names to separate between the sects that disobey the Quran and sunnah and sahabas and claim following them while changing the meanings of the text and ignoring many other texts while accepting many inauthentic hadiths to promote their corrupted beliefs , so yeah we use those names like salafi and so on to distinguish between those kind of so called muslims and the pure muslims who follows exactly the predecessor .
We can't just say i am a muslim and stops right there , we wish to do so but today things are different , they will think i am a shia or sufi of asharia or khariji ....etc lol i seek refuge of allah from those sects.
@@user-hn8ge7fi7n Are you REALLY following *Salaf-e-Saliheen?* Do you follow the commandments of Allah in *Business, Economics, Criminal Laws, Social Laws, International Laws & Politics?*
@@MuhammadAbdullah-kx3kn Do you follow the commandments of Allah in yourself and your family? Do you know that it is not permitted to draw anything that depicts animate beings? Why do you have that on your profile picture?
Salafism insist to follow autentic scribes.
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The most important thing for Salafism is to do the bidding of the CIA
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Lie
@@ElCabalero saudi had hindu idol festival and promoted idols to Muslims, is that kufr from the rulers or you a mushrik so cant answer?
@@boredalchemist This happened in the United Arab Emirates and not in Saudi Arabia, and the UAE elite is not Salafi, its people are.
I may be wrong , but this guest may not be Muslim so be sure to have a skeptical lens lest we blindly consume orientalist ideas
They have a lawless movement therefore law and order can not be established
What Quran speaks about "people" contemporaries what they call "sahaba" a term not in the Quran, the Islamic deen orders The muslim not to follow his fathers, labeling fathers as do not know and do not comprehend.
How would Allah order his believers to follow people the majority of them He has condemned in the Quran .
The Oneness of Allah in Salafi concept has hands (both are right)!!!!! has legs has eyes, sits, stands, come down and goes up has a chair .......... refer to Ibn Taymiyeh the description of Allah.!!!!!!
it is impossible to understand Islam considering it is a human product and inevitably necessitate confined to political interpretations.
When will we see b Paul with a beard ?
Salafi, are historically called HASHAWIYEH. this means fillings ( in terms of stuffing's pillow, mattress) meaning superficial w/o depth.
This movement, would label all non Salafi Muslims as infidels.
They would attribute GOD with hands and body parts hand face legs dimensions ...... human like.
The core sunnah scholars have concluded that Salafis are not part of the Sunnah. Chechnya Aug 2016.
If anything this talk shows that Salafism is a modern movement with little connection to the actual Salaf, a protestant Islam.
Is Doctor Singer a Muslim?
This guy has very poor understanding of Islam lol
Brother Paul
I am ready to talk you about Kerala Salafi movement,It is little different versions of other salafism in the world
Salafism is a way of life not a movement or sect.
Salafi means following the salaf (first three generations of muslims including Sahaba) in understanding Quran and Sunnah.
Salafism is pure Islam. The Salafi worships God as Sahaba did.
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You couldn’t find a respective salafist cleric or student of knowledge to have this interview with brother?
I agree that's kind of strange.
@@Saber23 ???
That’s because he’s a apologist for Wahhabism
@saber you have problem with orthodox implementation of straight up Quran,sunnah and how the first three generation of muslim understood it? Congratulations.
@@Gog3453 You're disrespecting a name of Allah.Wahhab is Allah's name.
Are you crazy in your head?
For non moslem if you interesting islam..you must be carefull who you can tell you about islam..i suggest you learn islam to Syeikh Mus'ab Penfond..
unfortunately this person even though he's polite has no clue about the meaning of ''Salafisim''
Salaf means predecessor, i.e The Prophet Pbuh and the companions, anyone that adheres to his teachings in Aqeedah/creed is a salafi, they don't have to profess it, let alone believe in the term, but the idea is just that.
So when this guy comes along speaking about thick Mustaches, clothes being above the ankle etc, it shows his lack of knowledge and indicates how flawed his research is. The only reason this Salafi term exists is to emphasis on Aqeedah and u cant speak Salafisim if u don't understand/ familiar with that concept
*Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab ibn Sulayman al-Tamimi started the Salafi/Wahhabi movement 250 years ago. He is the spiritual forefather of modern-day Salafi Kharijites groups.*
Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab was following the creed of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Taymiyyah was following the creed of Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Ahmad ibn Hanbal he was following the creed of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad, and this Salafism is to be guided by the understanding of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad of the Qur’an and the Sunnah because they are the ones who understood the Qur’an and the Sunnah directly from the Prophet Muhammad pbuh and their words are from the Qur’an and the Sunnah with evidence The clear understanding of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad.
Certainly the Shiites, the Sufis, the Maturidians, the Naqshbandi and the Ash’aris did not imitate the companions of the Prophet Muhammad in belief and worship, but rather they were imitating their late sheikhs who innovated in the religion.
The revolution of Muhammad Abd al-Wahhab was necessary because he was prevented from conveying the message of monotheism and fled to Imam Muhammad ibn Saud, who promised to protect him. Then the war began between the people of monotheism and the supporters of the Ottoman worshipers of shrines.
And this is one of the beautiful days for the Arabs that we expelled the worshipers of shrines
@@user-kj8yl6sn2z I'm also an Arab but you failed to mention ibn Saud was a British puppet.
@@shsaif3306 which ibn Saud and how can you prove he was a puppet and what do you mean by puppet? may Allah guide you and forgive you!
NO! sheikh Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab only REVIVED the ideology of the Salaf in the Arabian peninsula and later it spread worldwide and it was revived elsewhere around the world, like in my home country Albania, Alhamdulillah.
@@shsaif3306 Because you are ignorant of history, the first Saudi state was a movement for unification and the English had no presence in the Arab countries because it was a revolution before the First World War
The third Saudi state, there was a political vacuum from the Ottomans after its fall in the First World War, and the competition was between Al-Sharif and Al Saud
The House of Saud, as soon as they united the Saudi state, allied themselves with America, not Britain
Perhaps you mean the Great Arab Revolt of the Sharif of Mecca against the Ottomans
But despite that, the Arabs could not stand the presence of the Sufi Ottomans who spread polytheism in the Arabian Peninsula, which was on the religion of their ancestors in Islamic monotheism, and their expulsion was inevitable for religious reasons and also to preserve Arab culture and Arab dignity from the arrogant Turks.
I'm not a salafi or a scholar, but you call this guy a scholar in Islam? This is embarassing.
What's beard got to do with theology (aqidah)? He could've bring the grave visitation or grave sanctification in mosques, this may give more relevance with theology...
Also his focus study mainly in egypt, this lead Muslim Brotherhood I suppose... and they supposedly passive? What about Wahabism comes from Arabia?
And other the trivial things like gender segregation.... as if it'll give significant differences to other sects... as Paul question him about the dressing code as other sects also can follow the similar code...
Also it's not only the salaf who are trying to differentiate from the modern secular western paradigm, eg, sufis, as many independence movements initiated by them.