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Ah, word of warning ;) it might happen that pi4 will eventually fail to boot. In tat case just powercycle. This is second large issue which I’m trying to solve just now
The chip speed is around 7 x faster in sysinfo on real A1200 with real 68030, no fpu. The benchmark shows wrong info because of timing issues it displays numbers that do not make sense. My a1200 boots up in 2 seconds. Sorry forgot to add:. Need to turn of fast RAM and use Chipram only. Depends on the settings. If u use WB3.1 or OS 3.9 or higher. OS 3.9 doesn't really use Chipram, only fastram. It's more like windows for multimedia and internet, but games will not run. I have two CF cards. 1 internal and one on the turbo card. When booted from stock internal with trapdoor expansion off it runs in stealth mode as in stock A1200 so minimum WB Install only. It keeps running of of fastram and many programs and games freeze and crash
What do I do when it fails to boot? That's why I never even considered downgrading from real 1230 axel. I never have issues with it except many demos and games that have not been patched. For example State of the Art runs perfect (not a single glitch) on ACA1234 68030 @ 50Mhz even though it was written for A500 to load from floppy. The only issue I still have is the OSSC converter when the video mode switching is too fast. The FPGA can't catch those because of the missing timing on video out. Digital issue. On a CRT with Sync, there are no glitches.
@@tlaskows yes, sure. I'm happy that you are happy with your ACA1234. But what is actually the point of your comments? Are you unhappy that someone is happy with his PiStorm?
Thanks for doing this video, HAM! We've been waiting for such a board for so long, can't wait to get mine! Regarding performance, rendering speed is damn impressive and I'd really love to see some more of Layout work since that's one of the chipset's bottlenecks for the A1200, as well as how much better Animation playback on Scala is with the Pistorm32 in frames-per-sec, say Hires Ham8 Laced where there are moving pixels through the whole screen. Really can't wait to try this out... Thanks again! :)
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah the p32 is super quick for rendering. It just lags a bit too much for higher graphics screens as I’ve shown. That need to be addressed before I myself would commit to full time use.
I was generally ignoring all this PiStorm stuff because I am just coming back up to speed from a 20 year hiatus. All the new information is like drinking from a fire hose. For example, I finally understand the adf thing and WHD load! But my key take away....I WANT ONE!!!
I'm still trying to figure out why it's called Terrible Fire or rabbit load USB. All this new stuff. I'm not paying 400$ for 2 USB ports. There are many many tutorials videos. I'm still on C64 because I haven't finished all the games for it. Like Sega Sonic The dog or smth port from Genesys or mastersystem. I don't remember. I never like that game anyway. I had a gamegear a long ago. I will probably upgrade to GeOS next year to get online.
This is really really cool and kudos to Michal for getting this working so well. I still feel very much in two minds over this. It is kind of vampire-ish in some ways depending on how much you use, but that's not to say it's bad or not a real Amiga experience. With Pistorm, the team have done more to create a future for the Amiga than Amiga Technologies ever achieved and at an amazing price point. I do wonder if it's more performant than Pimiga on a Pi 4 with JIT on. If it is, then amazing. If not maybe the Pi is better emulating rather than... "emulating", if you get what I mean.
Absolutely. I get you. These type of devices always come with some…baggage for certain folk. And I understand why. I feel, at least to me, it’s a clever accelerator card. Thanks for checking the video out! :)
@@a4000t well, as time moves forward, more and more. As old hardware dies or becomes totally unaffordable. Which is already the case for a lot of folks. These cheaper options are welcome.
@@HoldandModify I dont buy that, mainly because parts will be around for another 30+ yrs. the I can't afford an Amiga thing is also thin,we couldn't afford this stuff as kids,but as adults it shouldn't be a problem to get into one. If you haven't managed to pick up an amiga in 30+ years of them being out,well u waited too long or you arent typing hard enough LOL.. seriously tho,if your scraping to make ends meet and eating out of a dumpster and you want an amiga,your priorities are out of whack right :)
Oh. I missed the clip of the 060 lol 😂. Warp 1260 or TF1260. They are not the same. The Warp card has Internet, HDMI and many more features, but it's overkill for everyday use
The values differ from one SysInfo version to another. In real numbers PiStorm32 and Emu68 reach about 4.4 MB/s, where absolute maximum defined by Chipset is somewhere around 7MB/s.
Doesn't the Sysinfo version play the decisive role? On my Amiga 500 with ACA500plus and ACA1233n I get 3.17 with Sysinfo version 4.0, 3.08 with version 3.24 and 1.20 with version 4.4.
I'm waiting for my PiStorm32 Lite at the moment. I'll be running it with a Pi3B+, which should be plenty fast enough, and then some. I don't know if I'll even use it long term, but I was curious, and since it was so affordable, and I already owned a Pi, I thought it would be fun to try it out. Long term, I'll be replacing the failing connector on my old GVP A1230 Turbo+ Series II accelerator, but in the mean time, perhaps I'll fall in love with the PiStorm ^^
Just know that it Is still early in dev and performance can vary wildly from program to program. It’s also looking more sans more like the AGA performance issue may be an non fixable issue due to the Pi’s GPIO bandwidth.
I use the build from 03.march, since the 10.mar version was reported to have an issue not seeing the SD card partitions on Pi4. The one thing I still need to figure out is how to get rtg working with picasso96.
Ive found a few strange issues on workbench with this, my file manager (browser 2) cant copy files from place to place when its installed, but if i put my tf1260 in it can, other file managers ive tried work ok but browser 2 was always my favorite, also why does it need a 3.2 rom file when the amiga already has 3.2. roms in it. Bottom line overall tho, is what an awesome bit of kit all the same, well done mr shulz
Has anyone tested pi4 model B? I just installed one with the latest version on a pistorm32 lite. But it only runs for about ten seconds, and the Amiga would freeze....
holy Crap Q! The PiStorm32-lite for A1200 and Lightwave is heaven🎉❤ Got mine ordered for my spare 1200 MB and even with my Pi3A+ it will be a dream accelerator👍…though my CS-MKIII is still the best in my heart💾
I have two. One is a fan made one from all the way back in the late 1990s. Amazing work. The other is the actual station model from the show. I Grabbed it and some other stuff while working at the studio. For archival reasons.
Has this been tested on an aca500. Pistorm inside the 500 case with a pi4 too tight. I have an aca500 in a large case that I made . It will fit comfortably in the case .
Just keep in mind the aca500 is finicky even with icomp’s own accelerator cards so my expectation is low , I have a pi4 coming so I will try this out after I get back from March break with the kids
@@danielbaturensky4544 well the first issue I ran into is that I have an aca500 case resembling a gvp hd add on that follows the contour and shape of the 500 and I must remove all that because the pistorm will not fit with any case that extends past the aca500 , I’ll keep you posted , I spent the remainder of my free time getting my newly built a1200 ready .
@@danielbaturensky4544 so I can confirm the a500 boots but none of what the pistorm had to offer was available no options in the aca500 boot up menu for a cpu were accessible and running sys info it was registered as a 68000 cpu , maybe something I have done wrong not sure, it was an older build though. When I get it working on my 1200 I’ll try again.
you are seriously hindering your disk reads and writes by not taking advantage of the Pistorm storage.... same for roms map your rom via the pistorm for added speed boost! The difference is night and day! MMU libs probably shouldnt be installed with pistorm although like you im not an expert so look into this if you want a solid answer :)
@@HoldandModify for the price this level of performance is amazing! I paid about £500 for a TF1260 with full fat 060 but even that is slow when next to a ps32!
Have a PiStorm 32 and have the onboard storage running. Currently sysinfo shows it to be 22MB/second! And it boots fast! Running this on the caffeine OS with a Kick 3.1 image ROM.
Ah, word of warning ;) it might happen that pi4 will eventually fail to boot. In tat case just powercycle. This is second large issue which I’m trying to solve just now
Okay thanks for the heads up. Thank you
Hey I use Aca1234. It never crashes. Individual computers real high quality from my experience
The chip speed is around 7 x faster in sysinfo on real A1200 with real 68030, no fpu. The benchmark shows wrong info because of timing issues it displays numbers that do not make sense. My a1200 boots up in 2 seconds. Sorry forgot to add:. Need to turn of fast RAM and use Chipram only. Depends on the settings. If u use WB3.1 or OS 3.9 or higher. OS 3.9 doesn't really use Chipram, only fastram. It's more like windows for multimedia and internet, but games will not run. I have two CF cards. 1 internal and one on the turbo card. When booted from stock internal with trapdoor expansion off it runs in stealth mode as in stock A1200 so minimum WB Install only. It keeps running of of fastram and many programs and games freeze and crash
What do I do when it fails to boot? That's why I never even considered downgrading from real 1230 axel. I never have issues with it except many demos and games that have not been patched. For example State of the Art runs perfect (not a single glitch) on ACA1234 68030 @ 50Mhz even though it was written for A500 to load from floppy. The only issue I still have is the OSSC converter when the video mode switching is too fast. The FPGA can't catch those because of the missing timing on video out. Digital issue. On a CRT with Sync, there are no glitches.
@@tlaskows yes, sure. I'm happy that you are happy with your ACA1234. But what is actually the point of your comments? Are you unhappy that someone is happy with his PiStorm?
Thanks for doing this video, HAM! We've been waiting for such a board for so long, can't wait to get mine! Regarding performance, rendering speed is damn impressive and I'd really love to see some more of Layout work since that's one of the chipset's bottlenecks for the A1200, as well as how much better Animation playback on Scala is with the Pistorm32 in frames-per-sec, say Hires Ham8 Laced where there are moving pixels through the whole screen. Really can't wait to try this out... Thanks again! :)
Glad you enjoyed. Yeah the p32 is super quick for rendering. It just lags a bit too much for higher graphics screens as I’ve shown. That need to be addressed before I myself would commit to full time use.
I was generally ignoring all this PiStorm stuff because I am just coming back up to speed from a 20 year hiatus. All the new information is like drinking from a fire hose. For example, I finally understand the adf thing and WHD load!
But my key take away....I WANT ONE!!!
And this is how it gets ya! Heh
Which part? That pirating is illegal? My A1200 still has a real disk drive to restore from in case of FUBAR
I'm still trying to figure out why it's called Terrible Fire or rabbit load USB. All this new stuff. I'm not paying 400$ for 2 USB ports. There are many many tutorials videos. I'm still on C64 because I haven't finished all the games for it. Like Sega Sonic The dog or smth port from Genesys or mastersystem. I don't remember. I never like that game anyway. I had a gamegear a long ago. I will probably upgrade to GeOS next year to get online.
@@tlaskows never spend what is not comfortable. Ignore the pressures. Stay off EBay while drinking. :)
You figured out WHDLoad?
This thing is cool! Interesting that SysInfo shows Copyback mode off for the virtual 040...
I'd love to see more of this, thank you very much!
Yeah I need to dive deeper in to it for sure.
This is really really cool and kudos to Michal for getting this working so well. I still feel very much in two minds over this. It is kind of vampire-ish in some ways depending on how much you use, but that's not to say it's bad or not a real Amiga experience. With Pistorm, the team have done more to create a future for the Amiga than Amiga Technologies ever achieved and at an amazing price point. I do wonder if it's more performant than Pimiga on a Pi 4 with JIT on. If it is, then amazing. If not maybe the Pi is better emulating rather than... "emulating", if you get what I mean.
Absolutely. I get you. These type of devices always come with some…baggage for certain folk. And I understand why. I feel, at least to me, it’s a clever accelerator card. Thanks for checking the video out! :)
It just exposes the RPI hardware map to AmigaOS. Drivers have to be written for AmigaOS (in 68k) which is what is taking the times.
now everything for Amiga will become a pi dongle.. sadly
@@a4000t well, as time moves forward, more and more. As old hardware dies or becomes totally unaffordable. Which is already the case for a lot of folks. These cheaper options are welcome.
@@HoldandModify I dont buy that, mainly because parts will be around for another 30+ yrs. the I can't afford an Amiga thing is also thin,we couldn't afford this stuff as kids,but as adults it shouldn't be a problem to get into one. If you haven't managed to pick up an amiga in 30+ years of them being out,well u waited too long or you arent typing hard enough LOL.. seriously tho,if your scraping to make ends meet and eating out of a dumpster and you want an amiga,your priorities are out of whack right :)
Who's the most underproduced channel of TH-cam, who is? You are!!! xD
YOU KNOW IT! :)
Thats a pretty nice service sticker on that 1200 ;)
Who? That Paul guy? I hear he is secretly an Atari 520 ST fan! 🤣
Isn’t it! :)
I really need to get this for my a1200, just amazing.
Yeah this is pretty wicked sweet!
For OCS games 1,5 chip speed is OK. On A1200 with Apollo 040/40 i have had 7,2
Whoa! So looks like there’s still work to be done for that.
what SysInfo version? ;)
I really want an A1200 again now.
It’s really, for me, the ONE Amiga to have.
Oh. I missed the clip of the 060 lol 😂. Warp 1260 or TF1260. They are not the same. The Warp card has Internet, HDMI and many more features, but it's overkill for everyday use
Yup, I have videos of those cards against older cards. Amiga versus other Amigas. It’s a lot over the last couple years. Heh.
@@HoldandModify I just got back into the hobby and it takes a lot of time. Well, took.
@@tlaskows enjoy! It can be fun and…..$$$. Lol
CHIP RAM speeds are bad. My Blizzard 68040 reports 7.2x chip speed, a standard A1200 should be about 2.4x. a 68030 should be about 3.5 to 4x.
The values differ from one SysInfo version to another. In real numbers PiStorm32 and Emu68 reach about 4.4 MB/s, where absolute maximum defined by Chipset is somewhere around 7MB/s.
Ohhhhhh
Just checked. Amiga with 68060 reports chip speed of 2.28 in SysInfo 4.4...
@@MichalSchulz thanks for replying here!
…and thank you for working on PiStorm!
It is AMAZING.
I am proud to support you on Patreon!
Doesn't the Sysinfo version play the decisive role? On my Amiga 500 with ACA500plus and ACA1233n I get 3.17 with Sysinfo version 4.0, 3.08 with version 3.24 and 1.20 with version 4.4.
I'm waiting for my PiStorm32 Lite at the moment. I'll be running it with a Pi3B+, which should be plenty fast enough, and then some. I don't know if I'll even use it long term, but I was curious, and since it was so affordable, and I already owned a Pi, I thought it would be fun to try it out. Long term, I'll be replacing the failing connector on my old GVP A1230 Turbo+ Series II accelerator, but in the mean time, perhaps I'll fall in love with the PiStorm ^^
Just know that it Is still early in dev and performance can vary wildly from program to program. It’s also looking more sans more like the AGA performance issue may be an non fixable issue due to the Pi’s GPIO bandwidth.
I use the build from 03.march, since the 10.mar version was reported to have an issue not seeing the SD card partitions on Pi4. The one thing I still need to figure out is how to get rtg working with picasso96.
I’m not either. I saw something about installing drivers or something. Don’t know.
OK, since the Pi5 is out now, we need some update
It took a bit for the Pi4 to gain compatibility. I’ll keep an eye out though.
Can you show the Camera settings? I would've honestly expected it to be much faster.
720x480, 5 pass AA.
Sysinfo 4.4 gives me a chip speed of 3.33 with my TF1230 card and 9.69 mips.
Ah okay so Chip Ram still needs some work.
@@HoldandModify I guess so but it clearly wipes the floor with everything else in all other perfomance aspects by a country mile. 👍
Do you know if they sorted the audio speed yet? I saw that game music played too fast.
My only experience with that is PAL/NTSC issues. Nothing to do with an accelerator.
Ive found a few strange issues on workbench with this, my file manager (browser 2) cant copy files from place to place when its installed, but if i put my tf1260 in it can, other file managers ive tried work ok but browser 2 was always my favorite, also why does it need a 3.2 rom file when the amiga already has 3.2. roms in it.
Bottom line overall tho, is what an awesome bit of kit all the same, well done mr shulz
I don’t think it does need the rom file. Remember I’m not the brightest about this stuff. Hehe. For files I use Dopus, always have. Seems okay.
Has anyone tested pi4 model B? I just installed one with the latest version on a pistorm32 lite. But it only runs for about ten seconds, and the Amiga would freeze....
Oh never mind... pulled the acceleratorboard slightly back, booting fine now. The old trick worked I guess. Omg thing thing flies!!
Ah good you got it sorted!
Is there any difference between Pistorm 32 lite and Pi Storm32 ?
Wondered about that myself. I know the Lite version seems to be a1200 for now?
holy Crap Q! The PiStorm32-lite for A1200 and Lightwave is heaven🎉❤
Got mine ordered for my spare 1200 MB and even with my Pi3A+ it will be a dream accelerator👍…though my CS-MKIII is still the best in my heart💾
Yeah it’s pretty fricken dope.
I assume the MMU is still not working in Emu68? This is the biggest drawback of the Pistorm at present.
That’s possible, I’m not sure. It’s still all work in progress for sure.
Where did you get the B5 model?
I have two. One is a fan made one from all the way back in the late 1990s. Amazing work. The other is the actual station model from the show. I
Grabbed it and some other stuff while working at the studio. For archival reasons.
030 no? whats that on your FPU space?
What are you referring to? The 1200, the TF1260, or the PiStorm?
Has this been tested on an aca500. Pistorm inside the 500 case with a pi4 too tight. I have an aca500 in a large case that I made . It will fit comfortably in the case .
Hopefully someone will post!
Just keep in mind the aca500 is finicky even with icomp’s own accelerator cards so my expectation is low , I have a pi4 coming so I will try this out after I get back from March break with the kids
@Glennbojones thanks. If you can let me know that would be great.
@@danielbaturensky4544 well the first issue I ran into is that I have an aca500 case resembling a gvp hd add on that follows the contour and shape of the 500 and I must remove all that because the pistorm will not fit with any case that extends past the aca500 , I’ll keep you posted , I spent the remainder of my free time getting my newly built a1200 ready .
@@danielbaturensky4544 so I can confirm the a500 boots but none of what the pistorm had to offer was available no options in the aca500 boot up menu for a cpu were accessible and running sys info it was registered as a 68000 cpu , maybe something I have done wrong not sure, it was an older build though. When I get it working on my 1200 I’ll try again.
Hold and modify? Lol 😅. HAM on. Do you hv a real hardware to compare it too?
Go through my videos and you’ll see..yes…Much. Lol. I’ve done a few comparisons with various machines and add-on cards.
@@HoldandModify thanks, 👍.
you are seriously hindering your disk reads and writes by not taking advantage of the Pistorm storage.... same for roms map your rom via the pistorm for added speed boost! The difference is night and day! MMU libs probably shouldnt be installed with pistorm although like you im not an expert so look into this if you want a solid answer :)
Yeah that’s for next phase. Definitely need to investigate the storage and MMU stuff.
@@HoldandModify for the price this level of performance is amazing! I paid about £500 for a TF1260 with full fat 060 but even that is slow when next to a ps32!
Have a PiStorm 32 and have the onboard storage running. Currently sysinfo shows it to be 22MB/second! And it boots fast! Running this on the caffeine OS with a Kick 3.1 image ROM.
@@cullmaster7361 and have you found if the chip ram speed slows down any games at all?
@@chrisearl2217 with a pi4 and the latest emu68 the chip speed is great. many whdload games now work perfectly with the new "cache" global tool type.