Is AROS The Future of Amiga?

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    AROS is an open source continuation of the classic Amiga operating system, that today runs on all kinds of devices from Raspberry Pi's, FPGA machines, classic Amigas and standard PCs. But how well does AROS run in 2022, and is it a worthy successor? I try out the Icaros Desktop distribution.
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    ▬ Contents of this video ▬
    00:00 - The Modern Amiga Landscape and History
    04:08 - Introduction to AROS
    05:29 - Icaros Desktop AROS Distro
    06:45 - Installation
    07:54 - Squarespace Sponsor Slot
    08:52 - Setup & Config
    11:18 - Tour of Icaros Desktop
    18:32 - Web Browsing & Network Tools
    20:33 - Bundled Applications & Games
    24:13 - Running 68K Classic Amiga Applications with AmiBridge
    29:28 - Conclusion
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  • @paolobesser3382
    @paolobesser3382 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    Hello, I am the mantainer of Icaros Desktop and I would like to thank you for your video. It's always great to see proofs of appreciation of all the astounding work AROS and 3rd party apps developers have done. I am just trying to mix them all together in a way they can inter-operate to get the best possible modern Amiga-like experience.

    • @electrictroy2010
      @electrictroy2010 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t even use a computer anymore. I do everything on my phone, except when I’m at work (Windows laptop). Amiga desktop is pretty dead
      .

    • @BiohazardX9
      @BiohazardX9 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@electrictroy2010 maybe to you but definitely porting old OS to modern day hardware is very useful. if you knew anything about desktops, you'd realise that workbench is actually pretty useful. This (Aros), React, and Haiku are all very impressive OS's.

    • @keyboard_g
      @keyboard_g ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Is the source to Icaros available to view? I couldn’t find a link on the website.

    • @johnjoyce
      @johnjoyce ปีที่แล้ว

      @@keyboard_g I could not find source either.

    • @kotyz85
      @kotyz85 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BiohazardX9 Haiku also has a decent webkit-based browser capable of youtube playback and a ton of apps ported over from linux (mostly qt/kde apps) including vlc, libre office, telegram desktop. Most usable from all of these small alternative OSes. Too bad they don't have any working arm port, it would be perfect desktop OS for raspberry pi.

  • @mshular
    @mshular ปีที่แล้ว +81

    With AROS, I wish we still had Fred Fish around. He rallied a lot of the community to open source and helped us get the tools needed to bring the platform forward without Commodore. AROS is the future, but getting a group of Amiga developers to agree on anything needs a respected early leader behind it. If only Carl Sassenrath or someone of the like would step up

    • @manuel-xax
      @manuel-xax ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was about to post "+1", despite it felt too few.
      Then I remebered I still own various Amiga, so as a much deserved tribute, here they come in "+" form :-)
      +500 !
      +1000 !
      +4030 !

    • @mshular
      @mshular ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@manuel-xax I started pretty late into the game around '95. Still got a 2000 (040) and a 3000 (060), with a plain jane 1000 in the mail. Never has another computer inspired me to dig in and enjoy using it even before running any software like the Amiga has

    • @manuel-xax
      @manuel-xax ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mshular I owned a 2000 (later added a 030+882 accelerator board).
      The 3000 is the one I never had, despite it was the most beautiful beside the 1000.
      Just like you, in my eyes the Amiga was the most inspirational computer I ‘ve owned.
      It took over 20+ years before I started to really like a lot (almost « an Amiga lot » !) another computer.
      That other computer is my base model M1 MacBook Air, by the way.

    • @KiraSlith
      @KiraSlith ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Welcome to "The FOSS Problem" Amiga Community!
      Seriously, give it a few years and next thing you know you'll be having arguments about which variant of a dozen FOSS system components (that all do the same thing) is "better". In another ~20 years you're going to have an executable format war that will continue... effectively forever.
      Cheers, from a begrudging Linux user.

    • @fallous
      @fallous ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not sure how useful Carl would be given the ups and downs of his Rebol project.

  • @50MGG
    @50MGG ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Many years ago I hacked together AROS to run on a modified XBOX, had soldered 128MB ram also to be more useable, great fun, still have that machine kicking around somewhere :)
    Maybe it's time to revisit it again.

  • @Vorper
    @Vorper ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Pretty incredible that this level of OS is done by a small developer. TH-cam what it takes to make a modern OS, the resources required are massive

    • @fuzzywzhe
      @fuzzywzhe ปีที่แล้ว

      OS itself is pretty simple. It's the applications on top of it.

    • @somesalmon5694
      @somesalmon5694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I figured the biggest problem would be drivers especially with the lack of documentation for devices especially graphics cards and peripherals although those aren't necessarily as important.

  • @Kalamatee
    @Kalamatee ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, Dan. Always nice to see some appreciation of the massive amount of work people have contributed to developing AROS, just a shame more with the ability/knowledge don't get involved.

    • @fcf8269
      @fcf8269 ปีที่แล้ว

      Beside doing it for nostalgia, if there is no revenue model, people with skill and ability and knowledge won't spend their time on it.
      Unless you have free time to spend and prove you can run raytracing on an atari 800 to show how skilled you are, anything else is done mostly for the purpose of getting money in your bank account.
      If they start to sell AROS, you can bet that more people will try to make a check out of it, and you will see people with skill and knowledge joining in.

  • @espenskog8745
    @espenskog8745 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thanks for this nice review. I liked seeing how the seamless emu mode works. Could you do the same review but with MOS ? Would be nice to hear your conclusion/thought on these two on such a side-by-side comparison.

  • @pkf4124
    @pkf4124 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video Dan,
    With ICAROS Morphos and Amithlon we have it covered. how ever it would be some much better if everyone just played from the same song sheet, then we could have something really great.

  • @bobfromsoireegames4309
    @bobfromsoireegames4309 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Another great video Dan. This is an interesting OS for sure

  • @synthshoot1026
    @synthshoot1026 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for laying out this video like that as it clarifies allot of confusion.

  • @vurpo7080
    @vurpo7080 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    There's a little thing I'd like to note: RAM disks are also a built in feature used by default on Linux - your /tmp directory is a RAM disk and you can create other ones anywhere in your filesystem by creating an empty directory and mounting the tmpfs filesystem inside them!

    • @sashakoshka
      @sashakoshka ปีที่แล้ว +2

      /tmp is not always stored in ram

    • @judgegroovyman
      @judgegroovyman ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sashakoshka that's true they are only stored in ram by default. they can be configured to be stored elsewhere of course but by default they are like an amiga ram disk.

    • @judgegroovyman
      @judgegroovyman ปีที่แล้ว

      thats a good point! I never thought about how similar the /tmp and the amiga ram disk are.

    • @judgegroovyman
      @judgegroovyman ปีที่แล้ว

      thats a good point! I never thought about how similar the /tmp and the amiga ram disk are.

  • @bilbobaggings
    @bilbobaggings ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely brilliant look at AROS from you. Used this many years ago and even then, i found that it was very good.

  • @ricky865
    @ricky865 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    It would be cool if Hyperion ported Amiga OS 4.1 to ARM. The same can be said for Morph OS.

    • @SkynetCyb
      @SkynetCyb ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do they even have devs left to even issue bug fixes? I can't remember the last time I saw any news about anything new for OS 4

    • @robertgijsen
      @robertgijsen ปีที่แล้ว +4

      In terms of support Hyperion must be the worst company I've ever dealt with. I bought kickstart 3.2 and the floopy edition, as I like to be able to install my Amiga like I'd have had to do it 30 years back. But it's missing several floppies (ie the diskdoctor one). After more than half a year of mailing, posting on their facebook and even TRYING to get my forum account acitivated I downloaded the ISO from Pirate Bay. My patience only goes to a certain level.
      I won't expect anything at all from Hyperion. I'm absolutely grateful for their software and kickstart (which is why I bought it) but the company itself is crap.

    • @Anticorriente
      @Anticorriente ปีที่แล้ว

      ARM not but RISCV.

    • @brodriguez11000
      @brodriguez11000 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Borrow from industrial computers the passive backplane. Everything active on daughter-cards. Less obsolescence, and easier to change and upgrade.

  • @xPLAYnOfficial
    @xPLAYnOfficial ปีที่แล้ว +10

    To get around the lack of USB boot, I bet this would work with Ventoy, which is a tool that lets you launch ISO files from a USB drive. This would probably be the best option currently until they get a native USB installer option working.

    • @AMIGASYSTEM
      @AMIGASYSTEM ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No lack, Icaros and AROS One can boot from USB, but you can also create a PendriveLive to install AROS on HD !

  • @desreb740
    @desreb740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving the preview and commentary.. when came to audio, we need to hear ((hopefully ASIO will be a good implementation. Thnx

  • @somesalmon5694
    @somesalmon5694 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I would really love to see these os' being ported to the new upcoming risc-v architecture :) this would be a really fun potentially smaller code-base to learn more about os development, especially with an open architecture with more and freely available documentation

  • @rkadowns
    @rkadowns ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like this. Would like to see more about making this a nice environment on real hardware, and videos describing how to get the most out of Janus to take advantage of the amazing 68k back catalog classic Amiga offers.

  • @SidebandSamurai
    @SidebandSamurai ปีที่แล้ว

    Brilliant review. Thank you for your work.

  • @RJLightning68
    @RJLightning68 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Been considering running AROS as a way to playing classic Amiga games and software.
    Might run it on my own retro PC's

  • @jamesmattson6813
    @jamesmattson6813 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dan, I believe you mentioned you might do a video on AROS ONE !AROS ONE Ver 2.0 was just released and looks awesome,Hope you decide to take a look at it soon and better yet decide to do a video on it!You put out some awesome and very informative videos!

  • @Ashley389100
    @Ashley389100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I watch a lot of vintage channels there's no practice point to them but I enjoy watching them 😀

  • @blooddude
    @blooddude ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Amazing to see how far AROS has come, I used to be really active in the project between 1999 and 2008, I'm guessing some of my code is still in the repository!

  • @samshort365
    @samshort365 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I have installed AROS two or three times over the years and I was pleasently surprised, although I could not consider it stable enough for regular use. Recently, I unearthed a complete UAE system I created 20 years ago and archived onto a dvd ram disc. I had set up the emulation to boot into Scalos and I must admit that in the early 2000s it looked really cool. In fact, I would have liked to have owned an A4000 in the day, but they were far too expensive for me buy. Following the demise of Commodore emulation became the only way of having a decent experience of this platform, so I dedicated a machine to it. The Internet was not as sophisticated as it is today and any browser could provide connectivity. However, my concern about the Amiga/ AROS/Morphos platform today is that it will remain an oddity for nostalgia and only of interest to a few. In its current form it could not replace a productive environment like Windows, Linux, Mac Os or even BSD. I also reserve this sentiment for Haiku, React and Risc Os. In fact, I tried to install Haiku onto hardware two weeks ago and it didn't work. This is unfortunate as, at one time, I used BeOS 5 Professional as my main system, before moving to Linux after the Zeta fiasco. Today I have a dedicated Raspberry pi for RiscOs 5 and I love it, but I still need to access a PC for printing and TH-cam. My point is that whilst people like Paolo Besser and other developers are doing a fantastic job at keeping these environments alive, I often wish the diversity had never died. The Amiga would have evolved into a wonderful modern platform in its own right. Given the enormous resources required to create and maintain an OS I think AROS and the like should be ported to unix/Linux as a layer just like Mac OS is over Darwin or Android is over Linux.

  • @timdaeleman
    @timdaeleman ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video again! Make sure you check the AROS versions for the Vampire as well: ApolloOS & Aros Caffeine.
    BTW the name for directory is drawer, not folder in Amigan :P

    • @danwood_uk
      @danwood_uk  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah brain fart on “folders” 😖

  • @boydpukalo8980
    @boydpukalo8980 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Really cool video. I bought a Vampire V4 Standalone last year and have Coffin, 3141, 321, and Apollo OS (fork of AROS). I only got into Amiga 2 years ago. Oh yeah I also bought a x5000 motherboard for OS41 with an AMD RX590 GPU for OS41and just added a Radeon X1950XTX which Morph OS can now use with hardware acceleration! Expensive but cool.

    • @TemalCageman
      @TemalCageman ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wow! Are you dualbooting your X5000 (AmigaOS4.1 and MorphOS)? How do you set that up?

  • @TYNEPUNK
    @TYNEPUNK ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thanks Dan, looks like Icaros has come a long long way, the integration is what interests me the most, I might have to try this on an old netbook! Great video, makes me wonder how easily we could port chrome or something :)

    • @spaingerusmacos9894
      @spaingerusmacos9894 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You don't have to, run it hosted and you can access chrome or Firefox and other apps.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Try a competent all-in-one , picked up a bargain Acer qusd core many years ago at wallyworld, runs FS-UAE on nix a dream.

  • @HoldandModify
    @HoldandModify ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Well now I don’t need to make this video for my channel. Mine would’ve been terrible anyways. Lol. Great video Dan!!!

    • @TemalCageman
      @TemalCageman ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes.... you are the most underproduced and poorly produced Amiga channel on youtube anyways... ;)

  • @SasaPaunkovic-camplus2
    @SasaPaunkovic-camplus2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Great review, as always. This is important topic for the future and it's nice to see use of gnu/linux codebase. Linux will also benefit from Icarus Desktop as well

  • @chrisearl2217
    @chrisearl2217 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid Dan 👍 got to ask at about minute 1 what are you using to get that resolution out of your 1200, I have the AGA mk3 but not playing well with interlaced modes, would love to find a way to have a more useful screen resolution 👊

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Scan doubler module.

  • @james5583
    @james5583 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this! I've totally missed that this exists ^^ you seem know a thing or two so maby you know if there are any program out to "filter ' a modern song too an modul-song and automatic scale the voice away, stripping it, if you know what I mean. Regards

  • @aresaurelian
    @aresaurelian ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A basic modular program perhaps that can:
    1. Be a working rigid and stable word processor,
    2. data editors/transformators (music/sound/images/video), and
    3. coding IDE with streamlined, minimalistic design, with option for additions. (VScode style?)
    Once the coding option is working we can allow the community to work through it to mass produce other solutions.
    Because it is Amiga and the rigid old systems it should be a low level language as its base, but provide optional extensions for the higher level programming languages if possible. Just an idea.

  • @dyscotopia
    @dyscotopia ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It would have been nice to see a game running in 68k integrated mode with the Amiga Forever roms. I admire the passion and if they get the USB drive option solid, I'd check it out for old time's sake. I wonder if they could include the Linux kernel as an option to increase the library by an order of magnitude

    • @TemalCageman
      @TemalCageman ปีที่แล้ว

      Lots of external USB optical drives to buy if you ever need that CD, DVD or BlueRay. And they are quite cheap.

  • @AmigaCammy
    @AmigaCammy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Aros is awesome! I used to have so much fun beta testing software on my Aros PCs, it's so ideal for Amiga hobbyists and such a shame it gets ignored or overlooked.

  • @edmundjohan9713
    @edmundjohan9713 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. Nice video. Can AROS for ARM procesors be run on TheA500 mini? Have you tried?

  • @xeschire706
    @xeschire706 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Powerpc is still around in the form of the power architecture, you can get a some parts for building a power9 developer workstation desktop from raptor computing, plus the power architecture, the same architecture behind the older powerpc processors is open-source now. The latest version of the power isa, is v3.0 the same version behind the newer IBM power10 server processors!

  • @cinemint
    @cinemint ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The elephant in the room is that the mascot might be the reason people aren't talking about it as much lol

    • @sonico9889
      @sonico9889 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree. The creator of this mascot is a furry degenerate. Even if you put those things aside, i find the design of this mascot quite cringe.

    • @cinemint
      @cinemint ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@sonico9889 it's basically ensuring that most women in tech never take part in this project

  • @jasonhowe1697
    @jasonhowe1697 ปีที่แล้ว

    .the bigger question to ask how far do we want some form of an amiga OS to go..
    and how far do we want it to go to support the hardware need

  • @GlensRetroShow
    @GlensRetroShow ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video my friend.

  • @RobertKloosterhuis
    @RobertKloosterhuis ปีที่แล้ว

    I think if I were to set up a computer I'd love to get a more modern computer up and running, get some nice looking badges for the case then find out if I could get a modern keyboard with custom keycaps. Somehow using a keyboard with windows layout and keycaps would takeaway from the look.

  • @DennieSparkman
    @DennieSparkman 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love this. I'm downloading it now to install on one of my older laptops.
    I'll put all my old Amiga games and test as many Amiga apps as I can on it to see what happens.
    This will be fun. "Never give up, Never Surrender" :P
    Thank you for posting this video.

  • @Kilroy_5150
    @Kilroy_5150 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dan, do you have a "working" link to the latest AROS Vision for the Amiga? All the links i've found are dead.

  • @NOPerative
    @NOPerative ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If the Icaros img is a standard ISO format then Ventoy on a thumb-drive will run the image without any need for formatting - merely drag and drop the ISO to your Ventoy image directory on your thumb-drive. I've messed with Icaros in the past, but was in VM systems like Workstation & others. Had recently looked at Aros One myself (like January 2022) and it does look fantastic. Good vid.

    • @AMIGASYSTEM
      @AMIGASYSTEM ปีที่แล้ว +2

      New version of AROS One 1.8 released visit AROS One Home Site

    • @SenileOtaku
      @SenileOtaku ปีที่แล้ว

      Presuming the Icaros ISO doesn't do any oddball boot tricks (you can't use Ventoy to load a MacOS boot image for example). But since they seem to be using GRUB for booting the disk it may work fine.

  • @piotras2137
    @piotras2137 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    can you change the kickstart in emulated amiga?

  • @satierkuuma5767
    @satierkuuma5767 ปีที่แล้ว

    How does dev applications run like AMOS and aztec C++ or how do you build aros compatible windows programs?

  • @PierceAndjelkovic
    @PierceAndjelkovic ปีที่แล้ว

    What is PalPC Dan keeps mentioning? Is it similar to PowerPC for the UK market?

  • @briankeller5565
    @briankeller5565 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have two boxes of 3.5 floppies of Amiga software, is there anything setup so that I can have those available?

  • @NeonEUC
    @NeonEUC ปีที่แล้ว

    As always Dan, another classic vid, I haven't watched it yet.. but know its going to be worth it as soon as I crack the beers open and watch this. Also a big thank you to you, Joe and ravi in advanced as I asked for the Amiga Adidct mag for it to be autographed by you guys. I'm in fa ebook jail for the next month so I will post it on your wall and the retro hour to let people know how awesome you, ravi and Joe are. Million thanks once again Dan. Means a lot to me mate 😊👍

  • @stephencooley5523
    @stephencooley5523 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    On a OS which try's to be a future version of the Amiga OS Workbench would it not been better to include Gloom 1 and 2 instead of Doom.

  • @awesomeferret
    @awesomeferret ปีที่แล้ว

    Heck, I'm a new prospective user and I'm interested. I think this may be the time I finally buy a PowerPC based Mac Mini. I'll start trying it on my iBook G4 first though.

  • @jjdigitalvideosolutionsllc5343
    @jjdigitalvideosolutionsllc5343 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does AROS or any other AmigaOS option offer a built-in file-sharing feature, for sharing between AmigaOS set-ups and/or sharing with Win/Mac environments?
    What about a screen-sharing feature?

  • @johalun
    @johalun ปีที่แล้ว +11

    A big problem is always going to be hardware support and the amount of effort needed to support just a few PC models. I would be in favor of focusing on a popular platform like Raspberry Pi however their Broadcom GPU is closed source so no way to get accelerated graphics. Even with open source hardware, just writing a GPU driver for a different OS is an insane amount of work. Considering this I strongly believe the best future for AROS is hosted on Linux. You get all the benefits on the Linux kernel (support for basically any hardware) while the Amiga devs can focus on the user experience and the userspace software stack. Heck, even add kernel support for m68k binaries and maybe even emulation in the kernel for a seamless integrated experience. I don't mean to diminish the hard work of AROS devs, they have done an amazing job. But trying to be realistic, this is my point of view.

  • @ajslim79
    @ajslim79 ปีที่แล้ว

    have you tried WB1.3/2.0 games as well?

  • @davidnickel3949
    @davidnickel3949 ปีที่แล้ว

    whar ever happened to the rtos based replacement?

  • @SLMK-rk7ht
    @SLMK-rk7ht ปีที่แล้ว

    Any links that have faster download speeds for the full 2.3.0?

  • @Francois_L_7933
    @Francois_L_7933 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I tried it a few years ago on an old netbook as I thought it would be nice to have a very small portable Amiga, but I ran into issues with the WiFi that I just couldn't work around. So it sadly went back to being a Linux device.

    • @camthesaxman3387
      @camthesaxman3387 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Most laptops have a removable WiFi card, and you can swap it out with one that's compatible. The Atheros 5000 chip in my Eee PC works great with AROS.

    • @paolobesser3382
      @paolobesser3382 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just install an atheros 5000 minicard in your netbook instead of the included one. Netbooks fly with Icaros.

    • @Francois_L_7933
      @Francois_L_7933 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paolobesser3382 I'll have to try that. I know the netbook has an atheros chip in it, just don't know which one.

  • @Bleats_Sinodai
    @Bleats_Sinodai ปีที่แล้ว

    I am both surprised and not surprised about seeing Eric W. Schwartz artwork accompanying such a project.

  • @Strikeforcer
    @Strikeforcer 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks Dan, Keep up the Good Work. Amiga Nut 🙂

  • @umbrollo
    @umbrollo ปีที่แล้ว

    Great to see Morph OS working still on PPC, there must be a ton of PPC out there

    • @kjetilhvalstrand1009
      @kjetilhvalstrand1009 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      OLD hardware == DDR2 or old GFX cards, no 3D support, or no hardware video decode support, and no PCIe and you have its maybe v1.0 or v2.0. so its slow. yes the last G5 are pretty good, but they are noisy. But comparing AmigaONE-X50x0 to low spec PowerPC mac is disingenuous.

  • @fmlazar
    @fmlazar ปีที่แล้ว

    MorphOS actually isonly fully operational on a very limited subset of PowerPC Mac systems

  • @DFX4509B
    @DFX4509B ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This would be a cool use for an old A4-5000 board.

  • @peteringram-johnson7018
    @peteringram-johnson7018 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shout out to Jon Potter, author of Directory Opus, mentioned in the video! Cheers from Kiwi (Nexus)!

  • @catriona_drummond
    @catriona_drummond ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Amiga scene has always been a hot mess. I remember the flamewars of 2001 when The "traitor" MorphOS broke away and competed with a not even released Amiga OS4.

  • @protocetid
    @protocetid ปีที่แล้ว

    finally, new Amiga videos

  • @micflynn1
    @micflynn1 ปีที่แล้ว

    I use a Toshiba P105-S6197 Laptop with 4 GIG Memory and a 120G HDD. I have FS-UAE Linux usb boot, installed on the HDD so when I turn on the Laptop it boots straight to an Amiga 500 with WB 1.3 : I can add ADF disk to the folder to boot games or workbench etc by using a windows bootable USB drive to edit the Linux HDD files. You can edit the Config file to boot any Amiga you want, 500 - 4000. I also use FS-UAE to configure new systems and test them, then just copy the new system config file to the laptop and set the system config file to boot the new system.

  • @amigang
    @amigang ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Aros ran surprisingly well on old netbook acer inspire one, I remember it supported all the hardware of that device too, wifi, usb drives, vga out, I used that for a time as my Amiga fix on the road (and did website programming on that netbook) it was a great little package. I think when the dev focus on one device the system was much better for it. Aros is a great Amiga solution but it does still need a bit more spit and polish so to speak. I hope the platform popularity improves, because it does deserve more respect for being an alternative to all the legal mess that let’s face has cast a shadow over the platform ever since commodore went under.

    • @spaingerusmacos9894
      @spaingerusmacos9894 ปีที่แล้ว

      The reason for the support of that particular device is because Steve paid a developer to get drivers for it.

  • @jamesbellegarde2893
    @jamesbellegarde2893 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video as always Dan, but do you know of anyone that’s doing any videos on porting Amiga operating systems or Amiga forever 9 on the Steam Deck? I’m looking to put a Commodore omega skin on my steam deck, the ultimate customization would be Amiga Forever maybe with Amiga OS 4 or AROS…….yeah it Linux emulating Commodore Amiga but that’s Amiga for the masses not the classes as Jack would say.

  • @haplopeart
    @haplopeart ปีที่แล้ว

    Any idea why the mouse responds upside down?

  • @ZylonFPV
    @ZylonFPV ปีที่แล้ว

    So what about the other aspect to this? What new OSes can you run on an old Amiga?

  • @elyzsabethahne2116
    @elyzsabethahne2116 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is Wayfarer web browser only for MorphOS, or is it also available for AROS?

  • @Shadowfoxxy30
    @Shadowfoxxy30 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello can you help Me I'm Having an issue with my (PiStorm32Lite) for my Amiga 1200. I followed all the directions according to the PiStorm Wiki. for some reason every time I boot my Amiga I get a Blank workbench screen and a message in the top left hand corner of the Screen that says " you must insert a Volume Containing LIBS/icon.library in any drive" Now I've tried looking up this issue and I've got lost can you help me Please.

  • @TheDoctorFlay
    @TheDoctorFlay ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone else notice the error at 13:15 ?
    No Dan they are not called folders on Amiga.
    Stand in the corner and face the wall.

    • @danwood_uk
      @danwood_uk  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, long day 😩

  • @fourbypete
    @fourbypete ปีที่แล้ว

    There really needs to be an online portal where you can get real time help. My biggest complaint with Amiga 3.2.1 was the back and forth between forum and PC became too tedious for people like me trying to get back into the old machine. Also, I notice that the real machine experience isn't as good as the emulated PC experience.

  • @akfreed6949
    @akfreed6949 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was considering getting the new Atari VCS and use it for AMIGA AND ATARI ST emulation

  • @jsvideos2261
    @jsvideos2261 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can this be configured to look like Workbench 1.3?

  • @dataterminal
    @dataterminal ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you have Amiga Forever, they have AROS as a prebuild image ready to go. Double click and it launches directly into Wanderer (Workbench).
    Probably a little easier for most people, rather than trying the x86 build booting from a live CD and hoping it works with your bare metal hardware, or if you lack the actual Amiga to try it on.

    • @bbuggediffy
      @bbuggediffy ปีที่แล้ว

      People boot the live cd in a virtual machine on their x86. They do not boot it and hope it will work.

    • @dataterminal
      @dataterminal ปีที่แล้ว

      @@bbuggediffy Dan literally didn't do what you said in his video. He even mentioned using Amgia Forever to copy it over.
      It's almost like you've not even bothered to watch the video before jumping on my comment. Do you even Amiga Bro?

    • @tatianabasileus
      @tatianabasileus ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dataterminal I'm a bit doubtful Dan actually booted it on bare metal, because there was a VMWare VMSVGA driver popup during the install. I'm not sure if that'd pop up on real hardware, maybe Dan can clarify.

  • @KingNothing22
    @KingNothing22 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is no distro for raspberry pi. if you can show us how to install it to a pi, please do

  • @stuthomson
    @stuthomson ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it work with a MIDI interface? Can I run MIDI-based software like Deluxe Music?

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I still consider 2009 & 2011 a "modern day" year

    • @awesomeferret
      @awesomeferret ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is the the grand scheme of things. The proof is how a ten year old pc can still play 1080p60 TH-cam perfectly and can still browse the web perfectly (with slightly choppy scrolling, of course).

    • @SenileOtaku
      @SenileOtaku ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2009 is still recent history to me. It's kind of like seeing people saying how they were watching "Lucky Star" when they were kids, but *my* anime growing up were "Gigantor" and "Speed Racer".

  • @EchoByrnes
    @EchoByrnes ปีที่แล้ว

    I just got into raspberry pis, and I wish I could use this on one of them

  • @DAVIDGREGORYKERR
    @DAVIDGREGORYKERR 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would this run on a AMD A10-7800k (Kaveri) or is this a non starter.

  • @chrystals.4376
    @chrystals.4376 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I thought by the time BeOS was discontinued that unless it was Open Source or based on it then most Desktop OS’s have no chance against Windows or Mac. The past few decades of the state of the Amiga platform confirmed it for me, while Chrome OS, based on Linux, has lots more end users, and it’ll continue growing with OS Flex.
    So I wish the AROS community well , but I still want OpenZFS, WINE, and a lot of other things I’m not sure they’ll have resources to include any time soon.

  • @enrico8916
    @enrico8916 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't found an Image for my Pi400. 😢

  • @RemnantCult
    @RemnantCult 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I must admit as someone looking into the Amiga ecosystem, it feels like a very closed off space in a way. That's just been my first impression.

  • @JimmyCall
    @JimmyCall ปีที่แล้ว

    The only way there's a future to these older ecosystems to to program on a intermediate language that's close to machine language, but interoperable. ILVM maybe an example. That would allow software to be independent to hardware, if you implement the core language interpreter.

  • @carlclouseriii8519
    @carlclouseriii8519 ปีที่แล้ว

    My only question is does it run more modern programs? Like open office or modern games?

    • @SenileOtaku
      @SenileOtaku ปีที่แล้ว

      I've wondered how readily LibreOffice could be ported. Besides not knowing enough programming to even consider trying it myself, I also wonder if working on a different OS could be considered a conflict of interest (I work for a Linux company).

  • @AudieS71
    @AudieS71 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you run ImageFX and DCTV?

  • @av_oid
    @av_oid ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel the same about GnuStep, great software, not enough people using it.

  • @Auugh69
    @Auugh69 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    damn that catto looks dashing

  • @jensdroessler3575
    @jensdroessler3575 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    AROS needs much more support by the community. If there‘s a future for Amiga, THIS is it.
    The only thing I really wish for is better integration for native 68k Amiga apps. As it seems now it loads a whole emulator, a whole 68k OS and runs apps there. I‘d say that‘s basically the brute for e approach. We need to trap API and OS calls to use the native x64/ARM API and OS functions, so that all those functions like drawing windows, opening requesters, library calls and so on run at full speed on the host system.

    • @joefish6091
      @joefish6091 ปีที่แล้ว

      Using QEMU or UAE to run proper old school Amiga apps and 68K code is the sensible wsy to do it.
      The core and philosphy of AmigaOS is recusive reentrant code, pre-emptive multitasking, strict kernal control of apps and routines.

    • @jensdroessler3575
      @jensdroessler3575 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joefish6091 And that didn't change with AROS. As long as all handles, hooks, APIs etc. are compatible at interface level, it would work. It's how other emulators work, it's how Apple's Rosetta works for the third time.

  • @old_liquid
    @old_liquid 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I want to ask anyone.
    Since pretty much Amiga task today is preserving software (the Amiga is long dead and Commodore hardware slowly following) and the common way of using software is UAE, does anyone tried any integrated packages like PandoraBOX 1.5? Its WinUAE packed with modern looking 1024x768 AmigaOS desktop and bunch of HDD converted games.

  • @EirikVea
    @EirikVea ปีที่แล้ว +2

    13:17 *"Drawers" :D

    • @danwood_uk
      @danwood_uk  ปีที่แล้ว

      Argh, brain fart lol

  • @mccrh7737
    @mccrh7737 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video, but not my bag for that OS ;)

  • @nickcliff
    @nickcliff 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does look pretty good

  • @GretschProf
    @GretschProf 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there another web browser that will work on Aros?

  • @grhmhome
    @grhmhome ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I like running Aros, but the issue I have is hardware acceleration

  • @MisterSplendy
    @MisterSplendy ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Dan. Are you familiar with FS-UAE (Mac). Is it possible to install AROS on it? I would love to play PPC games on FS-UAE.

  • @bitset3741
    @bitset3741 ปีที่แล้ว

    Icaros is great, but not all PC hardware is supported. I have found a lot of hardware that is really good, but the best I have found is an system running with the Intel GMA 950/945 chipset.
    I have had trouble getting the new Janus running in Icaros too...
    I got an old Compaq/HP Mini 110c I got on eBay for chip that runs great.
    Lately I have been using Amilator. Amilator is a minimal live Linux bootable that loads up E-UAE on start.

  • @keyboard_g
    @keyboard_g ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Its like 1990’s ui paradigms in modern window frames. Hard to inspire the future while hanging on to UX design that has long since been surpassed.

    • @AbAb-th5qe
      @AbAb-th5qe ปีที่แล้ว

      I would call it surpassed, just out of fashion

    • @TemalCageman
      @TemalCageman ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I actually find AmigaOS 4.1 way more flexible regarding UI compared to Windows 10. Even back in the days when I had a super-expanded A1200 with AmigaOS 3.9 + a bunch of free software that I downloaded from Aminet.... I could customize my UI waaaaaay more than I can with Windows 10. And that is back in 1998-2000.

    • @toby9999
      @toby9999 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I prefer the old 1990's ui paradigms. Unfortunately, Windows ui design moved further away from it over time. Windows 8 was the final nail in the coffin.

  • @Camikease
    @Camikease ปีที่แล้ว

    nice OS.. alot of features looks like to have been borrowed from Risc OS,
    including the configuration menu, window handling, ramdisk, etc...
    i think i could feel at home with this OS..although with the constant developing going on on Risc OS (Direct).... i dont really know...
    but its much better than window 11 or 10 .... Good looking Icons..i like that.. might borrow some for other OS's

    • @beezle1976
      @beezle1976 ปีที่แล้ว

      nah, it all comes from AmigaOS, which predates Risc OS.
      It's essentially a remake + enhancement of Amiga OS. It's API compatible on cpus other than Motorolla 680x0 and both api and binary compatible onMotorolla 680x0 cpus.

  • @segaboy9894
    @segaboy9894 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the best word processor for Amiga?

    • @danwood_uk
      @danwood_uk  ปีที่แล้ว

      I like Wordworth 7

  • @see-sharp
    @see-sharp ปีที่แล้ว

    How about invidious?