You're right on the money! I bought the Steinhart Olko and honestly feel no need to get the Tudor Pro, despite the many differences between them. Saving my pennies for a new 38mm Omega Aqua Terra.
I got the OLKO!!! It was to be back in stock at 6pm German time this past Sunday. I logged on at 6:01 and got it! When I checked back at 6:15...it was sold out again! I can't wait to have this thing on my wrist. I had a 1655 Rolex back in the day. Bought it in about '78 for $800. Wore it every day for 20 years and sold it for $1500. Thought that was brilliant. Now they go for $30,000!!!!! I don't like the look of the current Explorer IIs or the Black Bay, so this is as close as I can get to replacing that beauty. AND FOR UNDER $600! Should be here by the end of this week - Fedex tracking says it left Munich early today.....
Oh wow I never would have thought that they'd be the same thickness of the BB Pro had a flat crystal, definitely an interesting note. Yeah I agree, I'm a big fan of the BB Pro but I keep changing my mind on the 1655 which wouldn't be the case if they were actually the same.
Ngl i had to remeasure the cases because i didnt believe what i was seeing! the BB Pro is basically a 12.6mm watch! Granted that the slab sides actively work to make the watch look thick as opposed to the Steinhart case but still its important to make a note of the BB Pro's thickness. Yeah the 1655 design is a polarizing one, and now the more i look at it the more I like it!
The value of the Steinhart is incredible. If this was in my collection it would likely stay but......... I don't have it because I have the BB Pro and seem to be on an extended honeymoon with it for some months now. For what the Steinhart manages to produce for the cost it has to be recommended, OK it's not a 'true GMT' but those not country hopping but work with people in different countries this may well be a benefit. Great review TWI!
Yeah it would have stayed if it wasnt squeezed out by my BB Pro and SSK GMT! Lets see if this ends up being a rebuy at some point lol. The steinhart really did offer insane value and actually the caller gmt was more useful to me considering i track other time zones but I dont travel as much! Thanks as always Anthony!
i own a couple rolex watches and i find myself reaching for my steinhart "cermit" most of the time. steinhart gets a lot of hate, but they are truly really good watches, not just a good value. you really put things in perspective when you compared the price of a steinhart to the seiko 5
Yeah Steinhart makes great quality watches no doubt about it, every time I wore mine it felt like it was double or triple the price. Yeah when I realized that all that watch was being offered for roughly the same price as the SSK it was pretty eye opening! As much as I love my SSK GMT, the Steinhart is a step above across the board
The 42mm version of this is the first Steinhart I ever purchased. Was so impressed with the quality for the money & have a few Steinharts now. Looking forward to seeing the Tudor for real. Saw the Ranger yesterday, not for sale, exhibition only & was underwhelmed to tell the truth. Have also seen the Root Beer GMT & wasn't keen on that. I have Steinharts vintage style rootbeer & prefer the looks of that one. For me their stand out release this year has been this watch so hope to see it soon. If you miss the Steinhart, luckily not too expensive to get again in the future. Watchcrunch looks interesting, will have to check in on this platform.
Thanks Alison! Yeah this was my first Steinhart and like you I was shocked by how good the overall quality was and I still can't believe this version was $500! I haven't experienced their other watches but they look great including the root beer! I have yet to see the Ranger in person but as far as I can tell it's close to being great but not quite. What color was the lume in your opinion? Sometimes it looks white other times green I'm hoping it's more on the white side.😬
@@thewatchidiot hello, the markers on the ranger appeared creamy coloured rather than white. I do love Tudor watches but this one just looked bland. I don't mind field looking watches at all, but in this case I would prefer the offerings from Hamilton for instance. Also think Longines is killing it at the moment with their new releases which I am so pleased about. It is about time the Swatch Group gave some love to Longines as historically they were a truly great company.
Yeah the dial could have been spruced up a bit but the fit/finish and hopefully the overall comfort of the Ranger might be able to win it for me! Unlikely tho bc I'd have to sell quite a few watches lol. Yeah longines is doing great things I definitely want to try out their zulu time if they ever get that down to 40mm it could be a game changer for me!
@@thewatchidiot the fit & finish looks the same as any Tudor, though I believe it has a new clasp. It just looks very bland in real life & I wouldn’t want to own it if I had the Explorer type Tudor you now own. I just think there are better options to spend that type of money on at the moment, but I will be interested in what you think of it once you have actually seen it, held it & tried it on. This is what makes watch collecting fun though, our different opinions & watch tastes…….
Yeah I can't wait to see it in person! The main plus for me is that it's fully brushed, I'm a sucker for a fully brushed watch lol! Like you said I definitely wouldn't want to swap my BB Pro for the ranger but good on Tudor for getting the community talking as always!
I have the Steinhart , Aachen edition no cyclops , C3 lume not old radium , Steinhart are amazing value for money I think that's where the hate comes from , Gunther making solid homage watches for a reasonable price.
One thing I wonder is, considering the price difference, what is the rough cost for servicing these? There would be quote differences from different servicers you can pick, I would imagine that if you have the Tudor, you would want it serviced by Tudor. I wonder what a full service for either is cost wise, a couple of people have suggested to me that a £500 ish Steinhart could cost £500ish to fully service.
Yeah they have their own very specific design made for a specific purpose which and I love that. Diver GMT is a good way of describing the diver dial gmts! 😂 As legible as triangle, circle, rectangle indices are they do end up looking the same!
Thank you so much! Congratulations on getting the Steinhart its seriously such a good watch! I got that bracelet through Gnomon watches for $120 without international shipping, but since i wore the bracelet only about 3 times and I no longer have the Steinhart I can sell you mine for less if you'd like! I also have the integrated rubber strap and clasp. I have my contact info in the description so please do reach out if you want!
0:50 What kind of that bracelet is on the Steinhart? I like it better than the original. I think I found it. That bracelet and maybe the watch also was got from gnomon?!
Really like the bb pro, bit chunky compared to the 58 which is what put me off buying one. Bought the bb58 925 instead. Could you do another update on yours soon? Mines turning slightly warmer after a month of ownership.
I'm a watch guy. I have 12 watches and deep down I know most or all are redundant... But saying those 2 watches are very different is a bit of a stretch and shows how crazy watch collecting is 😆
looool yeah in the end all watches are redundant I've come to that realization too😂 but idk I'm not sure a watch with a dial design as safe as the BB Pro's can be the same as a polarizing and confusing 70's dial!
I'm really excited to see what San Martin manage to make of the design, theyve got a great track record and hopefully I'll get one in for the channel when it comes out!
I bought the Olko Steinhart. I found it disappointing and sold almost immediately. I haven't handled the Tudor but suspect I'd love it (just not as much as my BB58 blue)
@@lamkeet I suppose I wanted it to be more evocative of the vintage Rolex it pays homage to. Just felt like a bog standard modern watch. Even the faux aged lume on the dial felt crisp and modern. And the 39mm wore a lot bigger than I was expecting and didn't sit well on the wrist.
Yeah this is definitely a hot style right now I think. I want the white indices version. I like the Tag Heuer Formula 1 with a similar bezel and case right now, blue dial, but it's about $1100 on grey market annnnnnnd its quartz. It's nice but not at $1200 for quartz nice.
Started the journey with Steinhart. I quickly got over it within a year. The cyclops is not accurate. I’m not even comparing. Just on its own. The clasp is also run of the mill cheap looking. For those reasons, I would never recommend it to any one.
I REALLY don't like the Frankenstein look of the Tudor. The rectangles on the hands and the circular indices clash for my eyes. And I hate the faux rivets. Then you look at price and, for me, it's the Steinhart all day long.
Subjective opinion here, but for me, the Steinhart wins in every category: Bezel: Both cool, but the Steinhart's bolder numerals have more presence. Sunburst finish is cool on the Tudor, but the Steinhart's appears more metallic, and vintage. Dial: That vintage 70s style on the Steinhart, wow, I love it, unlike the dial we see on every Submariner/GMT from the past 60 years. Hands: Love the Orange vs Yellow, and personally not a fan of the snowflake-style (love the floating effect on both though). Case: Not sure how Steinhart managed to make this case so slim with their movement, while Tudor's is super thick, but the win again goes to the Steinhart here. Bracelet: Not a fan of the rivets on the Tudor, it's like they're trying too hard to look tooly. Movement: The Tudor's MT5652 is probably better, but the Steinhart's ETA 2893-2/SW330 Elaboré is a solid movement. Price: Obviously the win again goes to the Steinhart here, with the Tudor being 10X more expensive. Again, my perspective only. I acknowledge Tudor as being a great brand, and I'm guessing the reliability/longevity score will go to the Tudor in the long run. I also acknowledge I'm a big fan of the Rolex 1655, which is the look the Steinhart is going for here, but for me, I'd reach for the Steinhart in the watchbox over the Tudor 8 times out of 10.
If by “better” you mean better quality of components and craftsmanship used to build the watch, yes I acknowledge the Tudor is better. But for attractiveness, the Steinhart wins in every category-dial, hards, case, bracelet.
Most luxury watches are vastly overpriced. Brands like Steinhart prove it really. Doesn’t stop us buying them anyway. Lean into it - I know I’m being ripped off but I can live with it because I’m infected and all hope was lost many years ago.
Yeah there's a lot of extra money being spent on a luxury watch and the gains arent often proportionate. The feeling of the BB Pro on the wrist is unbelievably good but is it 8 times better than the Steinhart? Not at all but the extra upgrades make sense as an overall package (or at least I can justify it to myself lol!) But yeah the fact that Steinhart can make watches at this level really shows that there are many companies that are super lazy while charging too much. Hopefully things change!
@@thewatchidiot it’s crazy what we will pay for what are objectively minor minor upgrades - it’s really the brand we are paying for if we are honest with ourselves. Which is fine as if the name makes us feel good then why not?! I stopped pretending a long time ago that my higher end watches are value - no mass made machine constructed SS wrist watches should cost more than $1-2k max. Ever. Period. Perhaps that makes me crazier than the Watch crazies - as I know all this to be true yet continue the madness! Most argue the case to try and rationalise their spending.
Ordered one of these. Gmt hour hand sticks, doesn't keep proper time. Olko customer service is THE WORST. There are sp many great gmt's, spend a bit more for a better watch.
I would be embarrassed wearing a Steinhart homage watch. Just as embarassing as Invicta. Steinhart should stop making homages and focus on their own designs. The Ocean One Titanium 500 was a good start. Change the bezel a little, to stops being a Rolex ripoff and they are starting to pave their own path. Its just grotesque that their catalog is literally 95% direct homage/copy watches. I’d rather pick-up a Fossil made Glycine Combat while shopping at Costco.
I'm not really a fan of clomages of current production Rolex watches, but no way I'm about to pay $30,000 for a vintage Rolex 1655! Steinhart is more than ok for me on that end, I'm glad they made a watch that Rolex hasn't made in decades and will never make again
@@thewatchidiot I just wish they would stop making homage/copy watches. They can obviously make a decent watch and the Ocean One Ti shows they can make things their own. Wish they would embrace that and move away from homage crap.
Check out my post about the Black Bay Pro and Steinhart on WatchCrunch!
www.watchcrunch.com/the.watch.idiot/posts/as-different-as-can-be-12712
Big Steinhart fan. Great watches that only watch guys know about.
You're right on the money! I bought the Steinhart Olko and honestly feel no need to get the Tudor Pro, despite the many differences between them. Saving my pennies for a new 38mm Omega Aqua Terra.
When they usually restock it ? Always sold out!
I got the OLKO!!! It was to be back in stock at 6pm German time this past Sunday. I logged on at 6:01 and got it! When I checked back at 6:15...it was sold out again! I can't wait to have this thing on my wrist. I had a 1655 Rolex back in the day. Bought it in about '78 for $800. Wore it every day for 20 years and sold it for $1500. Thought that was brilliant. Now they go for $30,000!!!!! I don't like the look of the current Explorer IIs or the Black Bay, so this is as close as I can get to replacing that beauty. AND FOR UNDER $600! Should be here by the end of this week - Fedex tracking says it left Munich early today.....
Oh wow I never would have thought that they'd be the same thickness of the BB Pro had a flat crystal, definitely an interesting note. Yeah I agree, I'm a big fan of the BB Pro but I keep changing my mind on the 1655 which wouldn't be the case if they were actually the same.
Ngl i had to remeasure the cases because i didnt believe what i was seeing! the BB Pro is basically a 12.6mm watch! Granted that the slab sides actively work to make the watch look thick as opposed to the Steinhart case but still its important to make a note of the BB Pro's thickness. Yeah the 1655 design is a polarizing one, and now the more i look at it the more I like it!
I’ve been curious about this Steinhart for a long time. Thanks for the comparison. It’s very helpful.
Yeah this one is an absolute stunner! Glad I was able to help and hopefully you get one soon! It's even better in person 😁
I just two Steinharts myself. They are amazing. 👌 Great quality. Stunning watches.
The jubilee bracelet looks amazing on the Olko;
Which are you using?
Thank you
The value of the Steinhart is incredible. If this was in my collection it would likely stay but......... I don't have it because I have the BB Pro and seem to be on an extended honeymoon with it for some months now. For what the Steinhart manages to produce for the cost it has to be recommended, OK it's not a 'true GMT' but those not country hopping but work with people in different countries this may well be a benefit. Great review TWI!
Yeah it would have stayed if it wasnt squeezed out by my BB Pro and SSK GMT! Lets see if this ends up being a rebuy at some point lol. The steinhart really did offer insane value and actually the caller gmt was more useful to me considering i track other time zones but I dont travel as much! Thanks as always Anthony!
i own a couple rolex watches and i find myself reaching for my steinhart "cermit" most of the time. steinhart gets a lot of hate, but they are truly really good watches, not just a good value. you really put things in perspective when you compared the price of a steinhart to the seiko 5
Yeah Steinhart makes great quality watches no doubt about it, every time I wore mine it felt like it was double or triple the price. Yeah when I realized that all that watch was being offered for roughly the same price as the SSK it was pretty eye opening! As much as I love my SSK GMT, the Steinhart is a step above across the board
The watch looks nice with the jubilee bracelet. Was that from Olko as well ? Thanks
The 42mm version of this is the first Steinhart I ever purchased. Was so impressed with the quality for the money & have a few Steinharts now. Looking forward to seeing the Tudor for real. Saw the Ranger yesterday, not for sale, exhibition only & was underwhelmed to tell the truth. Have also seen the Root Beer GMT & wasn't keen on that. I have Steinharts vintage style rootbeer & prefer the looks of that one. For me their stand out release this year has been this watch so hope to see it soon.
If you miss the Steinhart, luckily not too expensive to get again in the future.
Watchcrunch looks interesting, will have to check in on this platform.
Thanks Alison! Yeah this was my first Steinhart and like you I was shocked by how good the overall quality was and I still can't believe this version was $500! I haven't experienced their other watches but they look great including the root beer!
I have yet to see the Ranger in person but as far as I can tell it's close to being great but not quite. What color was the lume in your opinion? Sometimes it looks white other times green I'm hoping it's more on the white side.😬
@@thewatchidiot hello, the markers on the ranger appeared creamy coloured rather than white. I do love Tudor watches but this one just looked bland. I don't mind field looking watches at all, but in this case I would prefer the offerings from Hamilton for instance. Also think Longines is killing it at the moment with their new releases which I am so pleased about. It is about time the Swatch Group gave some love to Longines as historically they were a truly great company.
Yeah the dial could have been spruced up a bit but the fit/finish and hopefully the overall comfort of the Ranger might be able to win it for me! Unlikely tho bc I'd have to sell quite a few watches lol.
Yeah longines is doing great things I definitely want to try out their zulu time if they ever get that down to 40mm it could be a game changer for me!
@@thewatchidiot the fit & finish looks the same as any Tudor, though I believe it has a new clasp. It just looks very bland in real life & I wouldn’t want to own it if I had the Explorer type Tudor you now own. I just think there are better options to spend that type of money on at the moment, but I will be interested in what you think of it once you have actually seen it, held it & tried it on. This is what makes watch collecting fun though, our different opinions & watch tastes…….
Yeah I can't wait to see it in person! The main plus for me is that it's fully brushed, I'm a sucker for a fully brushed watch lol! Like you said I definitely wouldn't want to swap my BB Pro for the ranger but good on Tudor for getting the community talking as always!
I have the Steinhart , Aachen edition no cyclops , C3 lume not old radium , Steinhart are amazing value for money I think that's where the hate comes from , Gunther making solid homage watches for a reasonable price.
Where did you get the watch
That Steinhart is crazy affordable and hard as hell to find with the white lume .
Available on olko website most of the time
One thing I wonder is, considering the price difference, what is the rough cost for servicing these? There would be quote differences from different servicers you can pick, I would imagine that if you have the Tudor, you would want it serviced by Tudor. I wonder what a full service for either is cost wise, a couple of people have suggested to me that a £500 ish Steinhart could cost £500ish to fully service.
The original explorer 2 and this Steinhart have something special about them. They're watches with a purpose - caving. Not a 'diver gmt'.
Yeah they have their own very specific design made for a specific purpose which and I love that. Diver GMT is a good way of describing the diver dial gmts! 😂 As legible as triangle, circle, rectangle indices are they do end up looking the same!
Great head to head. Nice job!
Steinhart for me
Hey, love the video. Just bought the olko steinhart last week! I saw you had another after market bracelet on it? Where did you find that?
Thank you so much! Congratulations on getting the Steinhart its seriously such a good watch! I got that bracelet through Gnomon watches for $120 without international shipping, but since i wore the bracelet only about 3 times and I no longer have the Steinhart I can sell you mine for less if you'd like! I also have the integrated rubber strap and clasp. I have my contact info in the description so please do reach out if you want!
@@thewatchidiot hey I’m definitely potentially interested! How much would you be willing to let it go for?
0:50 What kind of that bracelet is on the Steinhart? I like it better than the original. I think I found it. That bracelet and maybe the watch also was got from gnomon?!
Really like the bb pro, bit chunky compared to the 58 which is what put me off buying one. Bought the bb58 925 instead. Could you do another update on yours soon? Mines turning slightly warmer after a month of ownership.
Where did you get that Jubilee bracelet for the Steinhart from? Cheers!
Watch Church is great and all but until it's an app i'm not into it.
An app would be great and they're currently working on the app! Not quite sure when it'll be ready but I'm glad that it's in progress
@@thewatchidiot it has amazing potential
Totally agree. I don't find it easy to use at the moment and I think having an app would solve this.
I'm a watch guy. I have 12 watches and deep down I know most or all are redundant... But saying those 2 watches are very different is a bit of a stretch and shows how crazy watch collecting is 😆
looool yeah in the end all watches are redundant I've come to that realization too😂 but idk I'm not sure a watch with a dial design as safe as the BB Pro's can be the same as a polarizing and confusing 70's dial!
too bad the steinhart's nearly impossible to find. luckily there'll be plenty of GMTs coming out over the next year or so.
Next week, San Martin are introducing their own version of this watch and truth be told, I'll wait for that one.
I'm really excited to see what San Martin manage to make of the design, theyve got a great track record and hopefully I'll get one in for the channel when it comes out!
The BB Pro is too nice man. Need that
I bought the Olko Steinhart. I found it disappointing and sold almost immediately. I haven't handled the Tudor but suspect I'd love it (just not as much as my BB58 blue)
Mind sharing why was it disappointing for you?
@@lamkeet I suppose I wanted it to be more evocative of the vintage Rolex it pays homage to. Just felt like a bog standard modern watch. Even the faux aged lume on the dial felt crisp and modern. And the 39mm wore a lot bigger than I was expecting and didn't sit well on the wrist.
@@meddc1 Olko Steinhart does not have "faux aged lume on the dial," you are obviously talkin about another version.
@@lionary they do two versions. One with, one without.
@@meddc1 Indeed, I see it, sorry about that.
Just ordered this steinhart to sit next to my black bay 58.
Thats awesome man congratulations! Thats a great duo to have, you got your bases covered
Yeah this is definitely a hot style right now I think. I want the white indices version. I like the Tag Heuer Formula 1 with a similar bezel and case right now, blue dial, but it's about $1100 on grey market annnnnnnd its quartz. It's nice but not at $1200 for quartz nice.
If I want to tell time, I look at my phone, or get a Casio. I want to flash man.
Is the steinhart 39mm ?
I like the Tudors cleaner dial. I Get lost in the other watches dial.
yeah sometimes its nice to have a simple clean looking dial to look at!
Bought the steinhart because it was slimmer and had a bracelet.
Started the journey with Steinhart. I quickly got over it within a year. The cyclops is not accurate. I’m not even comparing. Just on its own. The clasp is also run of the mill cheap looking. For those reasons, I would never recommend it to any one.
I REALLY don't like the Frankenstein look of the Tudor. The rectangles on the hands and the circular indices clash for my eyes. And I hate the faux rivets. Then you look at price and, for me, it's the Steinhart all day long.
Great channel- but I will never ever buy a Steinhart. The BB pro- is definitely on the consideration list.
BB pro is clone of 1655. I’d never buy it. Steinhart did it better.
Subjective opinion here, but for me, the Steinhart wins in every category: Bezel: Both cool, but the Steinhart's bolder numerals have more presence. Sunburst finish is cool on the Tudor, but the Steinhart's appears more metallic, and vintage. Dial: That vintage 70s style on the Steinhart, wow, I love it, unlike the dial we see on every Submariner/GMT from the past 60 years. Hands: Love the Orange vs Yellow, and personally not a fan of the snowflake-style (love the floating effect on both though). Case: Not sure how Steinhart managed to make this case so slim with their movement, while Tudor's is super thick, but the win again goes to the Steinhart here. Bracelet: Not a fan of the rivets on the Tudor, it's like they're trying too hard to look tooly. Movement: The Tudor's MT5652 is probably better, but the Steinhart's ETA 2893-2/SW330 Elaboré is a solid movement. Price: Obviously the win again goes to the Steinhart here, with the Tudor being 10X more expensive. Again, my perspective only. I acknowledge Tudor as being a great brand, and I'm guessing the reliability/longevity score will go to the Tudor in the long run. I also acknowledge I'm a big fan of the Rolex 1655, which is the look the Steinhart is going for here, but for me, I'd reach for the Steinhart in the watchbox over the Tudor 8 times out of 10.
But you know that the Tudor is much better watch .
If by “better” you mean better quality of components and craftsmanship used to build the watch, yes I acknowledge the Tudor is better. But for attractiveness, the Steinhart wins in every category-dial, hards, case, bracelet.
Most luxury watches are vastly overpriced. Brands like Steinhart prove it really. Doesn’t stop us buying them anyway. Lean into it - I know I’m being ripped off but I can live with it because I’m infected and all hope was lost many years ago.
Yeah there's a lot of extra money being spent on a luxury watch and the gains arent often proportionate. The feeling of the BB Pro on the wrist is unbelievably good but is it 8 times better than the Steinhart? Not at all but the extra upgrades make sense as an overall package (or at least I can justify it to myself lol!)
But yeah the fact that Steinhart can make watches at this level really shows that there are many companies that are super lazy while charging too much. Hopefully things change!
@@thewatchidiot it’s crazy what we will pay for what are objectively minor minor upgrades - it’s really the brand we are paying for if we are honest with ourselves. Which is fine as if the name makes us feel good then why not?! I stopped pretending a long time ago that my higher end watches are value - no mass made machine constructed SS wrist watches should cost more than $1-2k max. Ever. Period.
Perhaps that makes me crazier than the Watch crazies - as I know all this to be true yet continue the madness! Most argue the case to try and rationalise their spending.
Ordered one of these. Gmt hour hand sticks, doesn't keep proper time. Olko customer service is THE WORST. There are sp many great gmt's, spend a bit more for a better watch.
Steinhart looks better!!
steinhart better, its not 15mm thick
Too much snowflakes hands on the bbpro... 3 is too much. the second hand should have been "basic".
I would be embarrassed wearing a Steinhart homage watch. Just as embarassing as Invicta. Steinhart should stop making homages and focus on their own designs. The Ocean One Titanium 500 was a good start. Change the bezel a little, to stops being a Rolex ripoff and they are starting to pave their own path. Its just grotesque that their catalog is literally 95% direct homage/copy watches. I’d rather pick-up a Fossil made Glycine Combat while shopping at Costco.
I'm not really a fan of clomages of current production Rolex watches, but no way I'm about to pay $30,000 for a vintage Rolex 1655! Steinhart is more than ok for me on that end, I'm glad they made a watch that Rolex hasn't made in decades and will never make again
@@thewatchidiot I just wish they would stop making homage/copy watches. They can obviously make a decent watch and the Ocean One Ti shows they can make things their own. Wish they would embrace that and move away from homage crap.
I own a Steinhart GMT titanium and it’s one of the watches I wear the most…looks nothing like a Rolex or any watch on the market
Ill take the steinhart alld day long thanks,
tbf, steinhart is always sold out even before your video.
The Steinhart looks better quality than the Tudor.