Got mine early July it's a fantastic daily driver , the thickness is no problem on my 6.75 inch wrist 7 in the summer , great build quality , time keeping. No more Steinharts for me 😂
How many people go cave exploring? It's probably a little more than those that need an helium escape valve on their Diver for when they saturation dive:)))))
I did it once with a team (we decided to go through a mountain instead of over it) - Dark, Cold, Disorienting and everything on you will be scratched or scuffed 😆
Man, I saw a mini doco on a family that were cave explorers. They were quite experienced and often spent weekends underground. This weekend the eldest son didn't make it back to camp. Turns out he got stuck and couldn't back out. They found his body a month later in a vertical 'shaft'. Head down. Died of exposure. I'm not sure speleology is for me. But the Explorer II was also aimed at those transversing the poles, places where one experiences long spells without a sunset or sunrise. Re. your point on HEV’s; couldn’t agree more. I’m I correct in saying that there are fewer than 200 people able to dive to depths that require an HEV?
Savage comment, but absolutely agree. When I told my Rolex AD I would indeed be swimming and diving (SSI so only ~20m down) in my SeaDweller they were quite shocked!
Tudor is at its best when they're not copying Rolex. There's so much more potential with the brand with its original designs. Next, work on the proportions and it could cannibalize Rolex in a serious way
Hit the nail on the head with this one Brian. They have so much of their own inspirations to go on (and have made killer pieces in the past) Sadly, money and demand will always talk - dictating what has to be "valued" most. Sigh... at least they still have some bangers out there that show what they're capable of 😉
@@edrader That's not always the case, not anymore. My current dream watch is a Black Bay 58 in black and I'd take that before any Rolex Submariner, they are completely different watches.
@@pedrojorge2741 you're probably right. i have owned many of both. rolex is more like expensive jewellry these days. my last tudor was the pelagos. sat on the wrist like a brick and was a scratch magnet. mydaily is a seiko willard now
It's an issue. ETA movements are tried and true and have been a huge success. Sadly with their in-house work, Tudor still hasn't nailed the slimness of their movements. Guaranteed this is what they'll be working on for a while now (becasue it's a complaint that everyone has) 😆
Another really good and intelligent insight into the BB pro and a lot more accurate than most in my opinion, I tried one on at an AD in April and was very impressed by how it wore and the overall esthetics .
Always a pleasure seeing you Brittany! It's funny how because we're so inundated with the same "black bay" theme that these models end up looking generic until we take a step back for a while. Really hope you and J are well! I met Lucy and Matt the other week at Bremont's HQ. Such a great fam 😉 Have a great start to your weekend! 🍷
I think this watch, like almost every Tudor is a good-looking watch, at a great price point. I have bought three Tudor watches with the last year, and I’m happy wearing all of them. Looking forward to your reveal… Which watch did you buy?
I agree. Price v Quality is spot on and the "Built for use" theme around a lot of them just makes it sweeter. I'll say this much about my pickup... the watch was included in the video 😉 Think the reveal will happen in a month mwahaha! Thanks for the comment Scott 🥃
I received this watch couple days ago and I can honestly say that it is my favorite TUDOR WATCH. It’s a 9/10 watch for me. It’s almost a perfect combination, I have Rolex, Tudor, Omega and I can say this it’s a well put together masterpiece. $4,000 can’t be beat
I'm so happy it's been a superb experience for you Yaros. I feel exactly the same with mine. Been on the wrist now for over three months and after taking it off & putting it on over the months it's never stopped (the gift and curse of a 70hr power reserve 😆) Excellently built machines 🥃
I picked up the black bay Pro and I have been wearing it non stop this watch is just awesome . The thickness is definitely not an issue . The watch wears more like the regular 58 than the Regular GMT . Love it
Started to really love Tudor. They've gradually become a very collectable brand in their own right. I'm pleased for them...... (I've had it with Rolex. Sure nice watches but too much going on surrounding them)
I feel the same way Sir, after finding my Tudor the thought of wanting a Rolex has evaporated (for now at least) Maybe in the next decade there will be a change but as of right now it's just unreal 🥃
Mmmm I really don’t like the idea behind the Explorer II, a frankenstain watch that does not have it’s own prrsonality. This new Tudor doesn’t get anyware as well. Talkin as a watch user and an industrial designer.
It has gotten to a stage where there's this "franken" quality around it. The original identity disappeared as we hit the 80's. The Polar redeems it in someways, but it's an odd one for sure. Such a pity that it lost it's signature from the 70's 🥃
For me this watch is completely overrated. I don't understand the hype and its another Rolex homage watch. Although I do really like the original BB GMT, it is simply too thick and out of proportion. Aesthetically it doesn't work. I know people love it and I really wanted to love it myself, but its proportions are flawed just like this one. If Tudor wants to be thought of more than just a budget Rolex then it needs to address its dimensions. I mean a 39mm case with over 14mm thickness!? Absolutely ludicrous! I feel sorry for people who end up buying these only to sell a few months later (it will happen). I want to love Tudor I really do buy they have some work to do. Still a long way to go.
A 24 hour indicator is also useful for very specific working conditions, such as those working on submarines. I can tell you that it is extremely easy to lose track of day and night when you're submerged for a month straight.
Submarines! Didn't even register in my head. Funny enough, I clipped a section to that sentence when I mentioned "Saturation Diver" as a part of the list. Very sharp call Aiden! 🥃
Actually, this would also be good for saturation divers who stay at depth, devoid of any natural light for a month. Or even just to keep track of their actual home timezone so they know when they can call the fam. Missing the escape valve though... but berpahs simply unswrewing the crown would be good enough for that?
I work at NASA, and for Mars missions we sometimes work on “Mars time,” which is a 25-hour day. And we work in a windowless command center. Needless to say, your circadian cycle gets messed up bad within a week or two. A 24-hour watch with a date function would have been great for my stint 😅 That said, I’ll take a proper traveler’s GMT over a non-independent 24-hour hand any day
I’m Tudor fanboy but this watch is lazy. Build a homage watch and leave it as thick as a hockey puck🙄 When a company like Christopher can build a well proportioned watch for a quarter of the cost and Rolex ‘a little brother can’t there is a problem.
It is a huge gripe that basically everyone has around this (especially the size) I reckon Tudor is going to be doing a lot of spending to get these movements thinner over the next two years. I'm in the same boat, can't appreciate a thick watch 🥃
The height worries me. And baffles me. ETA/Selitta, SoProd ect. all have GMT mov’ts that sit well in sub 13mm high timepieces - granted not with a ‘travellers’ feature, a 4hz beat rate and an extended power reserve. Obviously next door the boys and girls at Rolex have managed to fit those bells and whistles into a slim movement. It suprises me that Kinissi we’re unable to do so off the bat. This trend to smaller watches is not only about diameter. It’s about wearability in general- which extends to weight and height.
Nicely articulated Anthony. Nowadays we want size but also usability from a thinner case (especially for daily wearers) Something tells me lots of money will be pumped into making these movements smaller. Maybe as early as next year we'll see a difference. With Longines and their Zulutime making a killing, guaranteed Tudor will be wanting to catch them 🥃
They only had to copy the original indices, but they had to destroy it by giving it the Bland Bay makeover 🤦🏻♂️ Hideous!! Not in the same league as your Omega.... I'll be getting the Steinhart instead, far nicer. Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Would be interesting to see if your new pickup is an FXD. Last November was a great month, my AD called to let me know a Rolex Submariner 124060 was ready for me to pick up to replace my departed Pelagos LHD. Then 3 weeks later, I got an another call from my AD to offer me the FXD - 7 months on, IMO is the best Tudor on sale at the moment.
Leave it to Rolex/Tudor, to take one of the least interesting aspects of one of the most interesting Rolexes of all time, to bolster one of the laziest Tudors of all time.
I can’t say I’m an expert but I suspect as production becomes more and more expensive there’s the inclination to rely more heavily on branding creating a product identity that is easily identifiable and not very challenging and it seems as if a great deal of the customers are very happy with this After all Rolex has become the watch for men who wear things made famous by men who did things
I’m guessing you picked up a Pelagos FXD. With its square plots, snowflake hands, and crown guard, it has all the classic Tudor elements. There's so much to like about the FXD- the purpose driven design, the titanium case, the Marine Nationale connection. It really is the ultimate tool watch IMHO. Can’t wait for your reveal.
Having round indices and snowflake hands is like wearing a tuxedo with white sneakers! It’ll be fun to see what Tudor you picked up-I’m betting the new Pelagos 😎. Best regards
All things considered (and it was my money) also depending on what you have in your collection. The Zulutime is bang for buck unlike anything else. I'd be getting the Blue dial on leather with that fancy deployant to bring down the 42mm size 😉
I agress. The Snowflake hand should be reserved for Snowflake dials. The need to bring back that original "Ranger" hand from their North Flag collection and they'd be making a killing. Such a gorgeous design 🥃
I think they've swept it under the rug (which is very sad indeed) - such an original design AND they barely even explained the history behind the North Greenland Expedition and how great the original models were for the trip. They could make an absolute killing bringing the design back with a fresh lick of paint, gorgeous handset, titanium case and bracelet? A more "Ranger" feel... Ah, the possibilities...
Now look at this clock; it is electrical, and goes with a regularity that defies the best chronometers. I have divided it into twenty-four hours, like the Italian clocks, because for me there is neither night nor day, sun nor moon, but only that factitious light that I take with me to the bottom of the sea. Look! just now, it is ten o'clock in the morning." ~Captain Nemo
I am a tudor fan so it was a no brainer to get this. However i was not expecting to love it so much that it would relegate the bb58 blue and the tudor gmt to the reserves. It is addictive on the wrist, business-like, no nonsense. You don't notice the thickness, in fact it feels solid like a SEL rolex compared to its older brethren. Love your videos keep on keeping it real!
First of all, thanks for the honourable mention! I'm somewhat claustrophobic and wouldn't go into a cave in the first place. But that doesn't matter. There is something to be said about a rugged watch that one can just wear and beat the hell out of and not have to worry. It's *supposed* to have battle scars. I like that watch a lot.
A group and myself decided to go through a mountain instead of over it once... and it was interesting 😆 And absolutely about wearing it and not "respecting" it. That build-for-use is amazing 🥃
@@ID-Guy p.s. I'm leaving Canada Saturday for the Scottish highlands and will be going to the Isle of Islay for a bottle of Lagavulin. You want me to pick you up one? It's cheaper that way. Then I could meet up with you in London or wherever the hell you are...lol
Waited for this for ages, 1655 is unobtainium at the prices they go for , but two thirds of an inch thick and slab sided at that, its a bit out of proportion for acceptable bezel:thickness ratio even for a larger wrist. Its a real shame, but its a no for me 😔
It is a pity that the case is the one element that everyone feels the same about. It's the one core detractor that's going to turn so many people off this. A real pity BUT there's hope that they'll pump money into making their GMT movement thinner 🥃
As always you have made a video with plenty of thought. Besides some of the minor design flaws that you have indicated the most obvious lazy effort is the thickness. That will always be the achilles heel of any current Tudor GMT.
Thank you Galaga, unfortunately it's the one thing that's turning so many people away from these models (unfortunately) They've gotta sort out the thickness of these movements, man...
Tudor are getting very boring, almost every watch of theirs has snowflake hands, I can see Tudor going downhill if they don't stop bringing out copies of old Rolex designs.
I also wish that the Snowflake hand was reserved for a handful of pieces. But a watch like the North Flag that nailed the "Spear" hand that belonged to the ranger... so, so wish this design was used more 🥃
I went with the Pro over the explorer for 3 reasons. 1 Availability. 2. Price. 3. It is better looking in my opinion. I like the vintage style lume and the muted yellow hand then the almost toyish orange hand. On a side note the watch is thick but not in a bad way it gives the feel of being solid and just enough wrist presence 😊. This is my 5th Tudor ❤
Must say, I've become a big fan of 41 - 42's with these professional styled pieces. BUT it looks like that 39mm size is continually the hot-seller. Hope you're well Chris and thanks for the comment! 🥃
Eh honestly it feels boring to me, feel like this is more for the Tudor fanboys than new buyers. No one not into watches has had a positive reaction to this watch from my experience. Could just keep weird company tho
The Black Bay has become the fan watch, no doubt. They're great but also derivative. It's kinda sad that it's their most important property at this point when the brand has such gorgeous original designs that are neglected by the masses (good for us 😉) The North Flag / Ranger needs new life so, so badly...
@@ID-Guy totally agree! The ranger was the watch I was drawn to most when I first got into watches. They have such an interesting back catalog it’s too bad they don’t explore the advisor and heritage chrono either. Maybe if Vulcain relaunches successfully or something we’ll see an advisor :) That said, I get it from a business strategy standpoint. They spend a lot on marketing, and a consistent brand look (like the black bay) is the best way to leverage that impression frequency for a growing brand.
@@JizzyNinja The Advisor! What a watch... man, we need more alarms... I feel the same way and wish they'd explore their OG designs more. They have such an amazing catalog behind them that they could leverage so nicely today. The Tudor name is hot and people go mad for anything "sports" related. Ah, they could make a killing 🥃
The s&g black bay 31 is my favorite release of 2022! Have to try one on. Black Bay 925 is my one and done watch and I'm very happy! This Black Bay Pro didn't do anything for me but I've never been a GMT guy.
I'm loving their TT's so much too... The GMT they brought out (for me at least) is more exciting than the Pro. But also a great call going after the 925. They nailed the colour on it (super versatile too on straps which is a huge bonus) You and I both lucked out with our pieces I think 😉
It was asked of me in the comments a while back and I'd have to agree. If it was my money (not that I don't love Tudor) but the Longines gives you tonnes. The question is if you'd bond with the Longines or Tudor more? Take more time to think about it brother 😉
@@ID-Guy I think because of the history that Longines has and also it being almost a grand cheaper than the Tudor. I think I'll go with the Longines! Thanks for the reply and keep up the good work! Love your channel! 👍🏻
@@thatyellowbronco My pleasure brother. If given the choice, I'd go Blue dial & bezel with a leather strap on deployant (to bring down the overall presence and weight) Nothing like having one watch that does it all with straps 🥃
Bob! Love your music! 😉 Those original 1655's GMT hand was directly linked to the hour hand (so it couldn't be independently set like today's pieces) BUT that's all been fixed today luckily 🎸
"Is it a homage watch? Is it original?" Is there Black Bay that isn't a Rolex homage? That in itself is interesting given Rolex's design philosophy of constantly paying homage to the original references of the past so that people can easily trace the lineage of a specific watch line.
Great observation Henrique. The BB series seems to always have that "homage" subtext with them. I do hate the fact that "original" designs aren't original anymore 😆 Have a great start to your weekend! 🥃
@@ID-Guy my huge pleasure buddy. I REALLY enjoy your videos, you bring a different design focused perspective that shows watches in a different light which is pretty unique. Keep em coming
I actually liked this watch when it was announced. I think it looks best on the nato, though the clasp on the bracelet is awesome. I, like everyone else, wanted a BB58 sized Black Bay GMT, 1 to 1 copy. But the Pro actually worked design wise for me and it was a little bit unique even though it’s inspired by the older Explorer. I was even thinking of picking the watch up until I saw the thickness spec and saw how thick it actually looks. It’s too much for my small wrist. I love the dimensions of the BB58 but I couldn’t imagine being able to pull off a much thicker version of it. Hopefully a future version brings that thickness under 13mm then I’d be very interested again.
I think this watch will be an issue for those of us with slimmer wrists (sadly) Something tells me the group are going to be spending lots of money to make these GMT's thinner in the future - it's the one gripe that everybody unanimously has so hopefully we'll see this change 🥃
There's argument to be made that the 1953 Glycine Airman basically set the stage for all of these steel bezels. A real watch before it's time. Love them 😉
I bought it and enjoy it but it’s too thick. I changed the bracelet to a RubberB strap and feel much better on the wrist. I’m a fanboy of Tudor. I also have the Pelagos 42 blue date, 41 BB, and BB gmt opaline dial. They don’t fit like my Starbucks or mint Green Day just
@IDGuy great video and analysis as always. Not sure what made me think of it, though it might be good to re-incorporate music into some of your videos. Perhaps at the end, as before? 👍🥃🍷🎸
Thanks as always David! I was thinking of throwing in an outro one of these days (or have something in the background) But we'll see! The guitar has to live in and out of its case thanks to the limited space I'm in at the moment BUT I'll make an effort one of these days 😉
There's not enough bling! 😆 Can't believe that that's the modus with current Rolex professionals. Not matte finishing, no chamfers, no AR... the list goes on and on...
@@ID-Guy, it’s a tool. Tools are supposed to get knocked around, scratched and used. If they added Arabic numerals and dropped they date to the six position, it would be the perfect field watch. GMT hand can come in handy when finding North when your compass decides to break. Slap it on a RAF or NATO strap and you’re ready to explore anywhere.
@@ID-Guy I love all your videos and share your design sense (though I am just an amateur / enthusiast). The thing that bothers me most about Tudor is that they slap those ugly snowflake hands on everything and call it a day. It works with the square snowflake dial used on the Pelagos, but is a real mess on the Submariner-style dial used on the Black Bay line. I would actually consider a BB58 if it had a different handset.
@@joshn.5625 I feel you man. The Snowflake dial and handset works so well together (they were originally conceived to be together) It does feel lazy that they don't look back at the handset they used with the Ranger / North Flag and use those to break things up. This is probably why we love brands like Omega, Breitling etc. they continually change-up their styles and offer a huge range of handsets. "Don't like the Broad Arrow? Here are Pencil hands" and so on 🥃
The new crown is cool 😎 Not sure about the yellow orange hand...lacks contrast. Case size is great I hope they will o e day ad an oyster bracelet and make the triangle at 12 much bigger 😀 (100% agree with you).
WHYYY!?.......... those RIVETS ruined it for me! NO FUNCTIONALITY! NO PURPOSE! Why does Tudor continuously, purposely mess up on their designs? Is it because they do not want to give Rolex competition or take Rolex Sunshine from them? fix the simple little eyesource. And I will purchase a Tudor watch and I will add it to my collection of Rolexes and Omega amongst other luxury watches.
Got one on my wrist now, it is gorgeous, very tooly but the thickness is a bit of niggle. You definitely know you have it on your wrist compared to a BB58 or Explorer.
Thanks for this Stephen. The presence is definitely a thing that'll take getting used to. I have a 15mm thick Chrono and just the head alone, you know it's there. I just hope it's not too top heavy for your liking...
@@ID-Guy That's it, it has a 2 week trial to see if I can get used to it. I'd be curious to compare it to the BB41GMT to see what difference the case size makes to the weight distribution.
Great vid! I can’t keep “Luxury Steinhart” out of my head when I see this. Nice watch don’t get me wrong, but idk I’ll stick to my Black Bay. For some reason I don’t get the same vibe from the Blue Black Bay.
I just cannot stand the thickness. Why does Tudor not make them thinner?? Everyone complains about it. I sold my BBGMT after just a couple months. It’s just way too thick. They need to make a BB58 gmt. If it was the thickness of the 58, I’d buy it tomorrow.
Honestly speaking I would buy this Tudor not because is "born to dare" but because is quite opposite. Evokes spirit and quality of old Rolex , some old times. But problem still persists, Tudor pretends that he cannot survive without milking Rolex. After all of this I do not see the reason we cannot see Tudor Submariner in the future. That will also help Rolex to release pressure of waiting list for Submariner, so win-win situation.
Very interesting take! I feel you on this one. It brings back some of those classic "Built to be used" elements that sadly Modern Rolex doesn't portray anymore (at least as a presentation) Tudor with some of their best releases has really transcended fashion and luxury and nail "Function" 🥃
Great job as always; and nice Seamaster - another fantastic vintage look. My Helm Komodo is thicker, so not worried. Hoping mine arrives soon. And dreaming of getting the Explorer II Polar.
Bezel text is awfully thin, and those bloody faux rivets, but it has a presence that makes it a great £3000 Tudor that will be hard to acquire. Oh, and at least it’s not a godawful aluminium bezel. Tudor really need to modernise, but the BB Pro is going to be a Tudor classic IMO.
Totally agree with the enlarging of indices - it would of stood out as something more, something different - as a 58 owner that eventually got bored, the only thing that would bring me back would be the use of the Pelagos indices on a 58 case, be it gmt or diver, don’t really care which. The Pelagos is a much more interesting piece than endless 58 iterations
It would be a dream to see the Snowflake dial and handset together in a smaller package! Totally feel you on this David. The Black Bay line will always have this air of "homage" surrounding it BUT their novelties like the Pelagos (hopefully the North Flag returns) and others will be that Jewel in Modern Tudor's crown 😉
The only 3 Tudor watches I like are the Pelagos either version and the Monte Carlo heritage chronograph because it has its own identity same with the Pelagos. I'm not a fan of the Black bay line and the horrible faux riveted bracelet needs to be retired. Its just a unessarsary tacky decoration. If Tudor wants the true vintage feel. Then just make a real riveted bracelet. Also the Tudor Prince Big blocks were awesome 👌it just be cool if Tudor would be their own thing and stop with the Rolex homages
Aaaand you might just be on the money with this one brother 😉 Have an excellent start to your weekend and thank you for taking the time to watch the clip! 🥃
Really good discussion there. Funnily enough, I agree with almost everything you said, but I just don't like it. Thinner, modernised and sitting in the Pelagos (the only original Tudor?) line, maybe then... But I just can't get onboard with the milked-dry retro-whimsy. That's a lazy strategy for a big company: unoriginal, uncreative, unchallenging.Then there are baffling details - why yellow? Why the cursed rivets?? In other Tudor news, I'm interested to see what comes from their pro cycling sponsorship. Ti BB58, or please, something new!
We can definitely look at it from both sides. BB's and unoriginality seem to be go hand in hand. I also wish that they still had those great collections like the North Flag to compliment the Pelagos. It also sounds like those BB Chronos for the cyclists are only ever going to be made for the cyclists 😆 But a Titanium chrono? Now that would be slick!
ID GUY, This Christmas, my brother got me one of your hoodies as a gift. It’s my workout hoodie and I love it! We both are big fans of you, your channel and your content. Sometimes, we’ll even impersonate your accent and cadence (in good, positive nature) when describing a watch. Just wanted to type out my thoughts and show you some support. Wishing you all the success and positivity we can! Greetings from America!
Ah Proots, really means a lot brother thank you! The fact that anyone can sit down and listen to me talk for longer than 5 minutes is a blessing 😆 I hope that you and your brother both have a great start to your weekends! 🥃
I went to the AD today and they had the Pro and two Zulu's. Pro is $4000 and the Zulu's were $3100. If they were in the 37mm case I'd take the Zulu any day of the week over the Pro. That being said, I tried on the Pro and the thickness is a non-issue. And I have a tiny wrist so if I can pull it off anyone can. PS congrats on the Tudor, cant wait for the Tudor reveal party! Just don't start any forest fires when you do it!
Those Zulu's made quite a splash, right? AND awesome to hear the thickness isn't an issue! Find a Pro on the South of England is... well, impossible. I'm still sitting on the waitlist of two local AD's (have been since November) and nothing. SO bit the bullet and paid a smidge over retail. But man, the watch has only left my wrist when recording these videos 😆 The gift and curse of a 70hr power reserve is it hasn't been off the wrist long enough to stop over the last 3ish months. It's going to be great to share. Have a superb start to your weekend Nef, y'Legend 🥃
I went to an AD just a few days ago. Zulu, while bigger, actually fits my rather small wrist much better. If you are considering those two models, go to your AD and try them both. No two wrists are same. You can't be sure what works for you without trying.
@@rostislavblaha6642 The last time I was at my AD they actually had both but I couldn't try them on, they were in some special display because the Longines rep was showing up later. Sometime I'll have to go back and see if they still have them. You're absolutely right though, have to try it on, I have a 44mm diver that fits me perfectly so size doesn't always tell the whole story.
After trying one on, for me the thickness is not an issue. So I've put my name on a wait list.........let's see how long it takes for the shop to ring me 🤔🤔🤔
@@ID-Guy I think you have to sell your first born as well as both your kidneys to get into the VIP list.......im on a list for my Grail watch (explorer) and I'm number 106 on the list PMSL 🤣🤣🤣
@@garybunting3035 One-Hundred and Six??? Fuuuuuu - I would lose it. A hundred and bloody six... for a 36mm Explorer. The Rolex world is such a racket today Gary. Honestly, at this stage I'm going to wait about 12 - 15 years before considering one. By then (hopefully) as things ebb and flow, the heightened demand for these watches will drop somewhat. It's pure insanity hahaha! 🥃
I like the BB Pro. Regarding the thickness... I think all one needs to do is give the watch a fair wear for at least a week or two. If you're used to thin or otherwise more compact watches...it may be a bit of proportion shock to have something you'd not normally wear on wrist. But, whether it be a much larger or much smaller watch than you'd normally wear. Forget all the other watches in your collection and just wear the one in question for a good while and it'll all start to feel and look more natural and less offensive than one might have thought at the beginning... Unless it is a truly poorly designed and uncomfortable, then there's no overlooking or getting used to that, perhaps. Btw, your new watch must be the BB925. OR, I think maybe the North Flag. Field watches seems to be your favorite genre of watches and I can see this particular field watch from Tudor fitting in. Idk?.. maybe this video about the BB Pro is your unannounced intro to your new Tudor.. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Very well said Khrono. I agree, the idea of "eliminating" everything else from your collection and solely wearing one for a week or two without disruption makes you either gel with a watch or not (as a daily) Come to think of it, I now have watches from 35mm - 43mm in diameter and thickness from
As far as I know (after handling a few black bays) they're faux heads that are a part of the links. Something tells me they wouldn't change that formula (generally riveted bracelets are very delicate) BUT who knows these days? 😉
I like the look of the Pro but the thickness is holding me back. The Farer Lander GMT is 39.5mm case and 10.8 mm thick using a SW330-2 so I would be beating down the doors to get this Tudor if it was thinner. The Farer is a micro brand and I would much rather have a Tudor to pass to my boys I just wish it was thinner. I have a BB58 and love it and wish it had this GMT new bracelet on the BB58. All in all if this micro band with a great movement can make it thinner Tudor needs to scrap the movement and build a new one thinner like when they came out with the BB58. Also I have a 6.5 inch wrist
Farer makes incredible pieces. Their Segrave Monopusher I've always looked at fondly because of the gorgeous colour combo and attention to detail everywhere. Agreed that they need to pump money into making their new generation of GMT movements thinner. A BB58 GMT is going to be a big release (maybe as soon as two years from now) 🥃 Thanks for your comment and taking the time to watch the clip!
I have been looking for some time for a watch to celebrate my 10th mariage aniversary. I found a new Pelagos 25500tn (eta) at a dealer collecting dust and bought it loving it. It rides lower compared to the newer model (te hight difference is on the underside of the watch) and that made a huge diffence in wearing experience. The back is ingraved for the occasion and i will collect it in october when it is time for the feast. Anyhow, in the boutique they had a bbpro and i tried it on. A lot of peaple find it to thick, i didnt, a lot of hight is in the domed glass and visually it didnt bother me. Still hiped over the original Pelagos, it is so pure, so their own design, as un glossy as can be. Cant wait for otober … for beiing so lucky to have found my partner in life and beiing married to her for 10 years. Seams like yesterday we met.
Your original Pelagos (two liner) is an absolute gem and it's one that anybody would want to own today (I'd happily add it to my collection) Not that it matters, but they have become super collectable and sought after today. There's too much to compliment about how pure of a design it is. You're right. I know a few collectors who have a small collection, but this Pelagos still remains their favorite watch all these years later. You found yourself a keeper there Roel (and it says the same about your marriage and anniversary 😉) Heartwarming! Thank you so much for sharing this AND happy 10 years for October!! 🥃
I quite like it as looks nice and feels like a tool as opposed to screaming “luxury”. By the way my AD said I can get the new steel Submariner or Explorer if I first get a datejust, so I put my name for the steel, jubilee, fluted bezel, blue dial, stick markers in 41mm. I think it’s a good looking watch. What’s your thoughts on it as a everyday watch? I’m loving my steel Daytona panda but after over 5 years of wearing it everyday looking to add another to the collection to celebrate the soon arrival of our daughter. I think it’s nice to have a story behind it. Cheers mate, hope you are keeping well and fully recovered now 👍🏻
Thank you Reza! All recovered now luckily (after a good 3 weeks of taking it slowly) Your choice of a fluted DJ with black dial & sticks is superb. So hard to beat AND I'd own one in a second! My only question would be the size. If 41mm's suits you then it's ideal as a daily. The way I seem to work is some days when I'm not in the mood for a bigger watch (41 - 42) I'm usually switching between a 39, 36 or 35 (literally have all the sizes in the watch box 😆). If it was me, I'd be hunting a 36mm DJ for that timeless size BUT in saying that you could be getting the Explorer in 36mm soon enough too. Ah, you can't make a bad choice here... And again, wonderful news about your daughter, the day is fast approaching! Massive congratulations! Have a great start to your weekend sir! 🥃
Those BB58 cases will be used more and more. I'm pretty sure it's the No.1 Bestseller (also really dig how they've addressed the longer hour hand with this model!) 🥃
Very well articulated IDGuy, I have to agree with your views on this one. The bottom line is it needs.. no demands to be seen in the flesh to form an opinion of your own and not just follow the comments of others. The week it was released I had a call from an AD who asked if I wanted to make an appointment to have a look at it. With the YT videos along with many comments with a lot negative negative I didn't expect much but I did make an appointment for a couple of days later when I would be in the area and I'm very pleased that I did. As you say it is definitely the most tool watch reference in the BB line and it can be worn for almost any occasion that most of us may experience. It's not super shiny or in your face but does the job and does it well. It looks have been inspired by a watch that is no longer in production certainly but this is has modern mechanicals and manufacture. I love the sunray brushing of the bezel, the way that the date is executed to try (and almost succeed) to balance the missing marker at three. The applied plots and markers sans surround are purely functional with decent lume. It would have been nice if it was a thinner but we have to understand that the BB58 does not have a date or GMT hand that will add to the height of the hand stack. It's also worth noting that the GMT hand sits above the hour hand to clear the raised plots like it's GMT sibling. The dial is also mounted close to the crystal like the GMT and Pelagos that aids the already very good at a glance readability. I'm not bothered about faux rivets on the bracelet but also I'm not a fan and it may have been better without them. A big plus is that T clasp that arguably is one of the best on the tool less adjust around. My advice is see it, try it and decide on a purchase if you like it and can justify it. That's what I did.
Great video as always boykie well done. I’m still in love with the longines Zulu spirit GMT you featured a few weeks ago, not sure between these two. I reckon you went for the 925 taupe black bay 58….
Great video once again. Also wearing an Omega (older PO with hot metal insert) today. I am waiting to receive this watch. I thing it is really useful and functional. The GMT master has too much focus on it therefore i am no longer wearing it when traveling. So basically the GMT master has lost its function for me. Can’t wait to have the Tudor BB Pro on my wrist. Looking forward to the video in which you show your Tudor. All the best 🥃
Thanks for this Theo. Love the whole "it's built to be used" feel that a watch like this has (and how it keeps its head down) I also can't wait for the reveal. The watch has been on the wrist so much since it arrived (mid February) that it's never stopped. 70hr power reserves are a gift and a curse 😆 Have a great start to your weekend!
Also appreciate you showing the Christopher Ward Anthropocene. That was my first watch over 1k and somewhat over shadowed by my newer collection but still have a soft spot for it cheers
Those CW's are so beautiful. If it wasn't for the full name script on the dial (that bugs me for some reason) I'd happily add one to my collection. I need a white dial watch that's a GMT and these are perfect!!
I was never really a fan of Tudor for any specific reason other than to say it was a cheaper rolex to be quite Frank, but since you present such an eloquent case for the watch brand especially this model it is worth a second consideration. When I buy a watch, i buy it for me not to show it off or to get attention. I love the meaning behind the watch and that is why you should buy it. This is such an expensive hobby. Anybody wanna buy a used batmobile with low milage? I hear there is an IDguy watch in the works.
Tudor really do offer that kind of machine (more will be covered in the review of mine) but the whole "tool" watch niche they have nailed with a lot of their models (far better than other brands). It all depends on the Batmobile... You might be better off trading the gas guzzler for the latest electric model? 😆
@@ID-Guy I agree they do have a very nice tool look to them, which I love. An electric Batmobile, now there's something to consider. Maybe I will name it the Bat black bay mobile.
This watch does nothing for me, I really don’t like the steel bezel and I was under the impression to truly use the GMT function, you need a rotating bezel, maybe I am wrong though. Either way this watch will sell like mad, I would much rather the BB Heritage and have that nice burgundy bezel pop with the gold.
It's an interesting one. The original 1655 was not technically a GMT because the hand couldn't be independently set. Technically speaking, all the new models that can set individually can be called GMT's. The bezel's on models today have become an added luxury that lets you set up to three timezones at once (which is quite awesome) - And those original Heritage models with Roses and Smiling text... if that design style returned with these newer pieces, Tudor would have my money for one 😉
@@ID-Guy ah ok that makes sense now, telling 3 time zones great functionality! I still feel like the Longines Zulu Time is a game changer for the price point as well, especially with that jazzy bracelet release. Those heritage models are beautiful, even with a slight thickness they wear really well, it might have to be my wedding watch. Really interested to see which Tudor you picked up as well,L.
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Have you done a review of the classic bb58 black? If so, I can’t seem to find it. Also, can you do a review of the GS sbgw231?
Got mine early July it's a fantastic daily driver , the thickness is no problem on my 6.75 inch wrist 7 in the summer , great build quality , time keeping. No more Steinharts for me 😂
How many people go cave exploring? It's probably a little more than those that need an helium escape valve on their Diver for when they saturation dive:)))))
I did it once with a team (we decided to go through a mountain instead of over it) - Dark, Cold, Disorienting and everything on you will be scratched or scuffed 😆
Man, I saw a mini doco on a family that were cave explorers. They were quite experienced and often spent weekends underground. This weekend the eldest son didn't make it back to camp.
Turns out he got stuck and couldn't back out. They found his body a month later in a vertical 'shaft'. Head down. Died of exposure.
I'm not sure speleology is for me.
But the Explorer II was also aimed at those transversing the poles, places where one experiences long spells without a sunset or sunrise.
Re. your point on HEV’s; couldn’t agree more. I’m I correct in saying that there are fewer than 200 people able to dive to depths that require an HEV?
Definitely rather take a gshock, I would cry if my new luxury watch got all scratched against the wall of a cave😂
Savage comment, but absolutely agree. When I told my Rolex AD I would indeed be swimming and diving (SSI so only ~20m down) in my SeaDweller they were quite shocked!
I actually do . . .
Tudor is at its best when they're not copying Rolex. There's so much more potential with the brand with its original designs. Next, work on the proportions and it could cannibalize Rolex in a serious way
Hit the nail on the head with this one Brian. They have so much of their own inspirations to go on (and have made killer pieces in the past) Sadly, money and demand will always talk - dictating what has to be "valued" most. Sigh... at least they still have some bangers out there that show what they're capable of 😉
people pay more for tudor because it is owned by rolex. they really want a rolex
@@edrader That's not always the case, not anymore. My current dream watch is a Black Bay 58 in black and I'd take that before any Rolex Submariner, they are completely different watches.
@@pedrojorge2741 you're probably right. i have owned many of both. rolex is more like expensive jewellry these days. my last tudor was the pelagos. sat on the wrist like a brick and was a scratch magnet. mydaily is a seiko willard now
Lazy chunky movement - if Longines can release an affordable slim true GMT at a great price, why can’t Tudor? This could have been so great…
It's an issue. ETA movements are tried and true and have been a huge success. Sadly with their in-house work, Tudor still hasn't nailed the slimness of their movements. Guaranteed this is what they'll be working on for a while now (becasue it's a complaint that everyone has) 😆
Woo! Too much too less. Wouldn't throw my Rolex in a spaghetti bowl for that.
Always a pleasure Gel 😉
Another really good and intelligent insight into the BB pro and a lot more accurate than most in my opinion, I tried one on at an AD in April and was very impressed by how it wore and the overall esthetics .
Yup! You have said this sooo well! As time goes on this watch keeps growing on me! And much more wearable for me than the 42mm explorer 2
Always a pleasure seeing you Brittany! It's funny how because we're so inundated with the same "black bay" theme that these models end up looking generic until we take a step back for a while. Really hope you and J are well! I met Lucy and Matt the other week at Bremont's HQ. Such a great fam 😉 Have a great start to your weekend! 🍷
I think this watch, like almost every Tudor is a good-looking watch, at a great price point. I have bought three Tudor watches with the last year, and I’m happy wearing all of them.
Looking forward to your reveal… Which watch did you buy?
I agree. Price v Quality is spot on and the "Built for use" theme around a lot of them just makes it sweeter. I'll say this much about my pickup... the watch was included in the video 😉 Think the reveal will happen in a month mwahaha! Thanks for the comment Scott 🥃
925? ;)
@@bryanmorgan758 Could easily be Bryan 😉
I received this watch couple days ago and I can honestly say that it is my favorite TUDOR WATCH. It’s a 9/10 watch for me. It’s almost a perfect combination, I have Rolex, Tudor, Omega and I can say this it’s a well put together masterpiece. $4,000 can’t be beat
I'm so happy it's been a superb experience for you Yaros. I feel exactly the same with mine. Been on the wrist now for over three months and after taking it off & putting it on over the months it's never stopped (the gift and curse of a 70hr power reserve 😆) Excellently built machines 🥃
I picked up the black bay Pro and I have been wearing it non stop this watch is just awesome . The thickness is definitely not an issue . The watch wears more like the regular 58 than the Regular GMT . Love it
As usual, your version is much better. Tudor's simply has too much wrong with it to consider buying.
Started to really love Tudor. They've gradually become a very collectable brand in their own right. I'm pleased for them...... (I've had it with Rolex. Sure nice watches but too much going on surrounding them)
I feel the same way Sir, after finding my Tudor the thought of wanting a Rolex has evaporated (for now at least) Maybe in the next decade there will be a change but as of right now it's just unreal 🥃
Mmmm I really don’t like the idea behind the Explorer II, a frankenstain watch that does not have it’s own prrsonality. This new Tudor doesn’t get anyware as well. Talkin as a watch user and an industrial designer.
It has gotten to a stage where there's this "franken" quality around it. The original identity disappeared as we hit the 80's. The Polar redeems it in someways, but it's an odd one for sure. Such a pity that it lost it's signature from the 70's 🥃
For me this watch is completely overrated. I don't understand the hype and its another Rolex homage watch. Although I do really like the original BB GMT, it is simply too thick and out of proportion. Aesthetically it doesn't work. I know people love it and I really wanted to love it myself, but its proportions are flawed just like this one.
If Tudor wants to be thought of more than just a budget Rolex then it needs to address its dimensions. I mean a 39mm case with over 14mm thickness!? Absolutely ludicrous! I feel sorry for people who end up buying these only to sell a few months later (it will happen).
I want to love Tudor I really do buy they have some work to do. Still a long way to go.
A 24 hour indicator is also useful for very specific working conditions, such as those working on submarines. I can tell you that it is extremely easy to lose track of day and night when you're submerged for a month straight.
Submarines! Didn't even register in my head. Funny enough, I clipped a section to that sentence when I mentioned "Saturation Diver" as a part of the list. Very sharp call Aiden! 🥃
Actually, this would also be good for saturation divers who stay at depth, devoid of any natural light for a month. Or even just to keep track of their actual home timezone so they know when they can call the fam.
Missing the escape valve though... but berpahs simply unswrewing the crown would be good enough for that?
I work at NASA, and for Mars missions we sometimes work on “Mars time,” which is a 25-hour day. And we work in a windowless command center. Needless to say, your circadian cycle gets messed up bad within a week or two. A 24-hour watch with a date function would have been great for my stint 😅
That said, I’ll take a proper traveler’s GMT over a non-independent 24-hour hand any day
Or simply set the GMT hand to UTC. Making it a nice pilot watch.
I’m Tudor fanboy but this watch is lazy. Build a homage watch and leave it as thick as a hockey puck🙄 When a company like Christopher can build a well proportioned watch for a quarter of the cost and Rolex ‘a little brother can’t there is a problem.
It is a huge gripe that basically everyone has around this (especially the size) I reckon Tudor is going to be doing a lot of spending to get these movements thinner over the next two years. I'm in the same boat, can't appreciate a thick watch 🥃
The height worries me. And baffles me. ETA/Selitta, SoProd ect. all have GMT mov’ts that sit well in sub 13mm high timepieces - granted not with a ‘travellers’ feature, a 4hz beat rate and an extended power reserve. Obviously next door the boys and girls at Rolex have managed to fit those bells and whistles into a slim movement. It suprises me that Kinissi we’re unable to do so off the bat.
This trend to smaller watches is not only about diameter. It’s about wearability in general- which extends to weight and height.
Nicely articulated Anthony. Nowadays we want size but also usability from a thinner case (especially for daily wearers) Something tells me lots of money will be pumped into making these movements smaller. Maybe as early as next year we'll see a difference. With Longines and their Zulutime making a killing, guaranteed Tudor will be wanting to catch them 🥃
They only had to copy the original indices, but they had to destroy it by giving it the Bland Bay makeover 🤦🏻♂️
Hideous!! Not in the same league as your Omega....
I'll be getting the Steinhart instead, far nicer.
Cheers 👍🏻👍🏻
Is it a homage to homage yourself? Wouldn't that just be getting back to your roots?
I have to stop for a minute because I'm laughing so hard. "it's great if you're a hermit" dying.... OK back to the show!
Hey, you never know these days 😉🥃
Would be interesting to see if your new pickup is an FXD.
Last November was a great month, my AD called to let me know a Rolex Submariner 124060 was ready for me to pick up to replace my departed Pelagos LHD.
Then 3 weeks later, I got an another call from my AD to offer me the FXD - 7 months on, IMO is the best Tudor on sale at the moment.
Leave it to Rolex/Tudor, to take one of the least interesting aspects of one of the most interesting Rolexes of all time, to bolster one of the laziest Tudors of all time.
It baffles me how they can sometimes really push out incredible work, like game-changing work and then other times just repackage products 😆
I can’t say I’m an expert but I suspect as production becomes more and more expensive there’s the inclination to rely more heavily on branding creating a product identity that is easily identifiable and not very challenging and it seems as if a great deal of the customers are very happy with this After all Rolex has become the watch for men who wear things made famous by men who did things
I’m guessing you picked up a Pelagos FXD. With its square plots, snowflake hands, and crown guard, it has all the classic Tudor elements. There's so much to like about the FXD- the purpose driven design, the titanium case, the Marine Nationale connection. It really is the ultimate tool watch IMHO. Can’t wait for your reveal.
Having round indices and snowflake hands is like wearing a tuxedo with white sneakers! It’ll be fun to see what Tudor you picked up-I’m betting the new Pelagos 😎. Best regards
Hahaha! I like that analogy! You know me and my snowflake dial & snowflake handset... You might be onto something Underachieving 😉
I’m torn between this and the Longines Zulu
All things considered (and it was my money) also depending on what you have in your collection. The Zulutime is bang for buck unlike anything else. I'd be getting the Blue dial on leather with that fancy deployant to bring down the 42mm size 😉
Can you do a video on the Grand Seiko Sbgw231 please? I’d really like to get your thoughts.
Absolutely gorgeous watch Jeffrey. It's the Calatrava of the GS family 😉 It can't NOT be loved!
Get rid of snowflake hand they’ll sell more. Stops me buying one or is that a pointless comment😩
I agress. The Snowflake hand should be reserved for Snowflake dials. The need to bring back that original "Ranger" hand from their North Flag collection and they'd be making a killing. Such a gorgeous design 🥃
@@ID-Guy ooh yeah right there pal. Love ya show mate, best on TH-cam no bs🥃🥃🥃
@@Leftystrat Means a lot Philip, thank you. And have an excellent start to your weekend! 🥃
Is it just me or is tudor completely ignorant of thier own true explorer. The 'North Flag' expedition watch.
I think they've swept it under the rug (which is very sad indeed) - such an original design AND they barely even explained the history behind the North Greenland Expedition and how great the original models were for the trip. They could make an absolute killing bringing the design back with a fresh lick of paint, gorgeous handset, titanium case and bracelet? A more "Ranger" feel... Ah, the possibilities...
Because the "Black Bay Safari" would have been less reminiscent of Apple...
That didn't even register in my brain 😆 Apple has its fingers in all the pies! Damnit, that's hilarious.
Now look at this clock; it is electrical, and goes with a regularity that defies the best chronometers. I have divided it into twenty-four hours, like the Italian clocks, because for me there is neither night nor day, sun nor moon, but only that factitious light that I take with me to the bottom of the sea. Look! just now, it is ten o'clock in the morning." ~Captain Nemo
I need to read / listen to the audiobook again... Verne was such a genius. Once in a lifetime kind of mind like Golding and Orwell 🥃
I am a tudor fan so it was a no brainer to get this. However i was not expecting to love it so much that it would relegate the bb58 blue and the tudor gmt to the reserves. It is addictive on the wrist, business-like, no nonsense. You don't notice the thickness, in fact it feels solid like a SEL rolex compared to its older brethren. Love your videos keep on keeping it real!
First of all, thanks for the honourable mention! I'm somewhat claustrophobic and wouldn't go into a cave in the first place. But that doesn't matter. There is something to be said about a rugged watch that one can just wear and beat the hell out of and not have to worry. It's *supposed* to have battle scars. I like that watch a lot.
A group and myself decided to go through a mountain instead of over it once... and it was interesting 😆 And absolutely about wearing it and not "respecting" it. That build-for-use is amazing 🥃
@@ID-Guy p.s. I'm leaving Canada Saturday for the Scottish highlands and will be going to the Isle of Islay for a bottle of Lagavulin. You want me to pick you up one? It's cheaper that way. Then I could meet up with you in London or wherever the hell you are...lol
Waited for this for ages, 1655 is unobtainium at the prices they go for , but two thirds of an inch thick and slab sided at that, its a bit out of proportion for acceptable bezel:thickness ratio even for a larger wrist. Its a real shame, but its a no for me 😔
It is a pity that the case is the one element that everyone feels the same about. It's the one core detractor that's going to turn so many people off this. A real pity BUT there's hope that they'll pump money into making their GMT movement thinner 🥃
What model is pictured @2:49? Thank you
It's a gmt master II without the bezel , like Colonel Kurtz.
As always you have made a video with plenty of thought. Besides some of the minor design flaws that you have indicated the most obvious lazy effort is the thickness. That will always be the achilles heel of any current Tudor GMT.
Thank you Galaga, unfortunately it's the one thing that's turning so many people away from these models (unfortunately) They've gotta sort out the thickness of these movements, man...
Tudor are getting very boring, almost every watch of theirs has snowflake hands, I can see Tudor going downhill if they don't stop bringing out copies of old Rolex designs.
I also wish that the Snowflake hand was reserved for a handful of pieces. But a watch like the North Flag that nailed the "Spear" hand that belonged to the ranger... so, so wish this design was used more 🥃
@@ID-Guy agree
The problem with every Tudor is why are you NOT wearing a Rolex?
Exactly!
I went with the Pro over the explorer for 3 reasons. 1 Availability. 2. Price. 3. It is better looking in my opinion. I like the vintage style lume and the muted yellow hand then the almost toyish orange hand. On a side note the watch is thick but not in a bad way it gives the feel of being solid and just enough wrist presence 😊. This is my 5th Tudor ❤
39? Its for dinasor arm or for ladis arm. To small. Greets from Zürich Chris
Must say, I've become a big fan of 41 - 42's with these professional styled pieces. BUT it looks like that 39mm size is continually the hot-seller. Hope you're well Chris and thanks for the comment! 🥃
Eh honestly it feels boring to me, feel like this is more for the Tudor fanboys than new buyers. No one not into watches has had a positive reaction to this watch from my experience. Could just keep weird company tho
The Black Bay has become the fan watch, no doubt. They're great but also derivative. It's kinda sad that it's their most important property at this point when the brand has such gorgeous original designs that are neglected by the masses (good for us 😉) The North Flag / Ranger needs new life so, so badly...
@@ID-Guy totally agree! The ranger was the watch I was drawn to most when I first got into watches. They have such an interesting back catalog it’s too bad they don’t explore the advisor and heritage chrono either. Maybe if Vulcain relaunches successfully or something we’ll see an advisor :)
That said, I get it from a business strategy standpoint. They spend a lot on marketing, and a consistent brand look (like the black bay) is the best way to leverage that impression frequency for a growing brand.
@@JizzyNinja The Advisor! What a watch... man, we need more alarms... I feel the same way and wish they'd explore their OG designs more. They have such an amazing catalog behind them that they could leverage so nicely today. The Tudor name is hot and people go mad for anything "sports" related. Ah, they could make a killing 🥃
The s&g black bay 31 is my favorite release of 2022! Have to try one on. Black Bay 925 is my one and done watch and I'm very happy!
This Black Bay Pro didn't do anything for me but I've never been a GMT guy.
I'm loving their TT's so much too... The GMT they brought out (for me at least) is more exciting than the Pro. But also a great call going after the 925. They nailed the colour on it (super versatile too on straps which is a huge bonus) You and I both lucked out with our pieces I think 😉
I love this black bay pro but I think I'd still go for Longines Zulu time GMT as my first luxury watch! What do you think about my decision?
It was asked of me in the comments a while back and I'd have to agree. If it was my money (not that I don't love Tudor) but the Longines gives you tonnes. The question is if you'd bond with the Longines or Tudor more? Take more time to think about it brother 😉
@@ID-Guy I think because of the history that Longines has and also it being almost a grand cheaper than the Tudor. I think I'll go with the Longines! Thanks for the reply and keep up the good work! Love your channel! 👍🏻
@@thatyellowbronco My pleasure brother. If given the choice, I'd go Blue dial & bezel with a leather strap on deployant (to bring down the overall presence and weight) Nothing like having one watch that does it all with straps 🥃
How is it unable to do anything except “tell AM from PM”……..so, it’s an “Office GMT”. I like mine.
Bob! Love your music! 😉 Those original 1655's GMT hand was directly linked to the hour hand (so it couldn't be independently set like today's pieces) BUT that's all been fixed today luckily 🎸
No wonder I’m a sub. Thank you for explaining! It’s like the Vostok w “GMT” Thanks!
"Is it a homage watch? Is it original?"
Is there Black Bay that isn't a Rolex homage? That in itself is interesting given Rolex's design philosophy of constantly paying homage to the original references of the past so that people can easily trace the lineage of a specific watch line.
Great observation Henrique. The BB series seems to always have that "homage" subtext with them. I do hate the fact that "original" designs aren't original anymore 😆 Have a great start to your weekend! 🥃
Very cool video - enjoyed your view points and it has me rethinking this piece somewhat...
We are spoilt as enthusiasts ;) And thank you James, really mean a lot.
@@ID-Guy my huge pleasure buddy. I REALLY enjoy your videos, you bring a different design focused perspective that shows watches in a different light which is pretty unique. Keep em coming
I actually liked this watch when it was announced. I think it looks best on the nato, though the clasp on the bracelet is awesome. I, like everyone else, wanted a BB58 sized Black Bay GMT, 1 to 1 copy. But the Pro actually worked design wise for me and it was a little bit unique even though it’s inspired by the older Explorer. I was even thinking of picking the watch up until I saw the thickness spec and saw how thick it actually looks. It’s too much for my small wrist. I love the dimensions of the BB58 but I couldn’t imagine being able to pull off a much thicker version of it. Hopefully a future version brings that thickness under 13mm then I’d be very interested again.
I think this watch will be an issue for those of us with slimmer wrists (sadly) Something tells me the group are going to be spending lots of money to make these GMT's thinner in the future - it's the one gripe that everybody unanimously has so hopefully we'll see this change 🥃
Hmmmmm… that fixed bezel??? Early 60’s accutron astronaut is the OG of all OGs
There's argument to be made that the 1953 Glycine Airman basically set the stage for all of these steel bezels. A real watch before it's time. Love them 😉
@@ID-Guy yes yes yes!! BAM!!! Ur channel is my go to Channel!!! Great stuff!!!
I bought it and enjoy it but it’s too thick. I changed the bracelet to a RubberB strap and feel much better on the wrist. I’m a fanboy of Tudor. I also have the Pelagos 42 blue date, 41 BB, and BB gmt opaline dial. They don’t fit like my Starbucks or mint Green Day just
@IDGuy great video and analysis as always. Not sure what made me think of it, though it might be good to re-incorporate music into some of your videos. Perhaps at the end, as before? 👍🥃🍷🎸
Thanks as always David! I was thinking of throwing in an outro one of these days (or have something in the background) But we'll see! The guitar has to live in and out of its case thanks to the limited space I'm in at the moment BUT I'll make an effort one of these days 😉
This is what the Rolex Explorer 2 should’ve looked like.
There's not enough bling! 😆 Can't believe that that's the modus with current Rolex professionals. Not matte finishing, no chamfers, no AR... the list goes on and on...
@@ID-Guy, it’s a tool. Tools are supposed to get knocked around, scratched and used. If they added Arabic numerals and dropped they date to the six position, it would be the perfect field watch. GMT hand can come in handy when finding North when your compass decides to break. Slap it on a RAF or NATO strap and you’re ready to explore anywhere.
Lazy lazy lazy. Tudor is just a lazy, uninspired homage brand at this point. The only watch of theirs I would consider is the Pelagos.
The Pelagos is a gem 😉 I so wish they still had the "North Flag" and introduced an entire new series to the collection...
@@ID-Guy I love all your videos and share your design sense (though I am just an amateur / enthusiast). The thing that bothers me most about Tudor is that they slap those ugly snowflake hands on everything and call it a day. It works with the square snowflake dial used on the Pelagos, but is a real mess on the Submariner-style dial used on the Black Bay line. I would actually consider a BB58 if it had a different handset.
@@joshn.5625 I feel you man. The Snowflake dial and handset works so well together (they were originally conceived to be together) It does feel lazy that they don't look back at the handset they used with the Ranger / North Flag and use those to break things up. This is probably why we love brands like Omega, Breitling etc. they continually change-up their styles and offer a huge range of handsets. "Don't like the Broad Arrow? Here are Pencil hands" and so on 🥃
The new crown is cool 😎 Not sure about the yellow orange hand...lacks contrast.
Case size is great I hope they will o e day ad an oyster bracelet and make the triangle at 12 much bigger 😀 (100% agree with you).
Big fat triangle and longer plots at the quarters (works with all of their other pieces) 😉 Have a great start to your weekend! 🥃
WHYYY!?.......... those RIVETS ruined it for me! NO FUNCTIONALITY! NO PURPOSE! Why does Tudor continuously, purposely mess up on their designs? Is it because they do not want to give Rolex competition or take Rolex Sunshine from them? fix the simple little eyesource. And I will purchase a Tudor watch and I will add it to my collection of Rolexes and Omega amongst other luxury watches.
Got one on my wrist now, it is gorgeous, very tooly but the thickness is a bit of niggle. You definitely know you have it on your wrist compared to a BB58 or Explorer.
Thanks for this Stephen. The presence is definitely a thing that'll take getting used to. I have a 15mm thick Chrono and just the head alone, you know it's there. I just hope it's not too top heavy for your liking...
@@ID-Guy That's it, it has a 2 week trial to see if I can get used to it. I'd be curious to compare it to the BB41GMT to see what difference the case size makes to the weight distribution.
Great vid! I can’t keep “Luxury Steinhart” out of my head when I see this. Nice watch don’t get me wrong, but idk I’ll stick to my Black Bay. For some reason I don’t get the same vibe from the Blue Black Bay.
I know what you mean. Luxury Steinhart 😆 We've been so inundated with orange hand GMT's, sadly it's tainted the water over time 🥃
I just cannot stand the thickness. Why does Tudor not make them thinner?? Everyone complains about it.
I sold my BBGMT after just a couple months. It’s just way too thick.
They need to make a BB58 gmt.
If it was the thickness of the 58, I’d buy it tomorrow.
it's different from 1655. the only thing they share is the fixed bezel.
you can say that to 1655 copying glycine.
Honestly speaking I would buy this Tudor not because is "born to dare" but because is quite opposite.
Evokes spirit and quality of old Rolex , some old times.
But problem still persists, Tudor pretends that he cannot survive without milking Rolex.
After all of this I do not see the reason we cannot see Tudor Submariner in the future.
That will also help Rolex to release pressure of waiting list for Submariner, so win-win situation.
Very interesting take! I feel you on this one. It brings back some of those classic "Built to be used" elements that sadly Modern Rolex doesn't portray anymore (at least as a presentation) Tudor with some of their best releases has really transcended fashion and luxury and nail "Function" 🥃
Great job as always; and nice Seamaster - another fantastic vintage look.
My Helm Komodo is thicker, so not worried. Hoping mine arrives soon. And dreaming of getting the Explorer II Polar.
Bezel text is awfully thin, and those bloody faux rivets, but it has a presence that makes it a great £3000 Tudor that will be hard to acquire.
Oh, and at least it’s not a godawful aluminium bezel.
Tudor really need to modernise, but the BB Pro is going to be a Tudor classic IMO.
I'm not a big fan of gmt watches, however Tudor needs to rely on another designs. Imagine a gmt Ranger, a more toolish desing.
Titanium "North Flag" inspired GMT (that belongs to a newly revised "Ranger" collection) count me in! 🔥
Tudor bracelets. Rivets! No. No functionality and no purpose whatsoever. Sadly a deal breaker.
Totally agree with the enlarging of indices - it would of stood out as something more, something different - as a 58 owner that eventually got bored, the only thing that would bring me back would be the use of the Pelagos indices on a 58 case, be it gmt or diver, don’t really care which. The Pelagos is a much more interesting piece than endless 58 iterations
It would be a dream to see the Snowflake dial and handset together in a smaller package! Totally feel you on this David. The Black Bay line will always have this air of "homage" surrounding it BUT their novelties like the Pelagos (hopefully the North Flag returns) and others will be that Jewel in Modern Tudor's crown 😉
@@ID-Guy and after dogging this piece regularly for being derivative saw one in the metal and bought it on a whim. Absolutely love it
The only 3 Tudor watches I like are the Pelagos either version and the Monte Carlo heritage chronograph because it has its own identity same with the Pelagos. I'm not a fan of the Black bay line and the horrible faux riveted bracelet needs to be retired. Its just a unessarsary tacky decoration. If Tudor wants the true vintage feel. Then just make a real riveted bracelet. Also the Tudor Prince Big blocks were awesome 👌it just be cool if Tudor would be their own thing and stop with the Rolex homages
🎩omest🔬🤘
Rolex took more risk these year releases than Tudor.
That we can both agree on Gel! Crazy how the pendulum swings, right? 🥃
If I had to guess I would say your new Tudor is the MN pelagos. Either way. I cannot wait for the review
Aaaand you might just be on the money with this one brother 😉 Have an excellent start to your weekend and thank you for taking the time to watch the clip! 🥃
Really good discussion there. Funnily enough, I agree with almost everything you said, but I just don't like it. Thinner, modernised and sitting in the Pelagos (the only original Tudor?) line, maybe then... But I just can't get onboard with the milked-dry retro-whimsy. That's a lazy strategy for a big company: unoriginal, uncreative, unchallenging.Then there are baffling details - why yellow? Why the cursed rivets?? In other Tudor news, I'm interested to see what comes from their pro cycling sponsorship. Ti BB58, or please, something new!
We can definitely look at it from both sides. BB's and unoriginality seem to be go hand in hand. I also wish that they still had those great collections like the North Flag to compliment the Pelagos. It also sounds like those BB Chronos for the cyclists are only ever going to be made for the cyclists 😆 But a Titanium chrono? Now that would be slick!
Tudor's BEST watch hands down and I own 5 of them one being the MN Pelagos
You do such great content👌The BB Pro on steel bracelet has me mesmerized.
Tried it on last week - total meh experience.
Pelagos or Bust 😉 I can see where you're coming from. I'd hardly call these new models "exciting"
ID GUY,
This Christmas, my brother got me one of your hoodies as a gift. It’s my workout hoodie and I love it!
We both are big fans of you, your channel and your content.
Sometimes, we’ll even impersonate your accent and cadence (in good, positive nature) when describing a watch.
Just wanted to type out my thoughts and show you some support. Wishing you all the success and positivity we can! Greetings from America!
Ah Proots, really means a lot brother thank you! The fact that anyone can sit down and listen to me talk for longer than 5 minutes is a blessing 😆 I hope that you and your brother both have a great start to your weekends! 🥃
I went to the AD today and they had the Pro and two Zulu's. Pro is $4000 and the Zulu's were $3100. If they were in the 37mm case I'd take the Zulu any day of the week over the Pro. That being said, I tried on the Pro and the thickness is a non-issue. And I have a tiny wrist so if I can pull it off anyone can. PS congrats on the Tudor, cant wait for the Tudor reveal party! Just don't start any forest fires when you do it!
Those Zulu's made quite a splash, right? AND awesome to hear the thickness isn't an issue! Find a Pro on the South of England is... well, impossible. I'm still sitting on the waitlist of two local AD's (have been since November) and nothing. SO bit the bullet and paid a smidge over retail. But man, the watch has only left my wrist when recording these videos 😆 The gift and curse of a 70hr power reserve is it hasn't been off the wrist long enough to stop over the last 3ish months. It's going to be great to share. Have a superb start to your weekend Nef, y'Legend 🥃
I went to an AD just a few days ago. Zulu, while bigger, actually fits my rather small wrist much better. If you are considering those two models, go to your AD and try them both. No two wrists are same. You can't be sure what works for you without trying.
@@rostislavblaha6642 The last time I was at my AD they actually had both but I couldn't try them on, they were in some special display because the Longines rep was showing up later. Sometime I'll have to go back and see if they still have them. You're absolutely right though, have to try it on, I have a 44mm diver that fits me perfectly so size doesn't always tell the whole story.
Dimensions are out of whack. Too small a diameter for the thickness.
After trying one on, for me the thickness is not an issue. So I've put my name on a wait list.........let's see how long it takes for the shop to ring me 🤔🤔🤔
My name is still down with 2 AD's (for about 4 months now) and still nothing 😆 I have no idea how these lists work Gary...
@@ID-Guy I think you have to sell your first born as well as both your kidneys to get into the VIP list.......im on a list for my Grail watch (explorer) and I'm number 106 on the list PMSL 🤣🤣🤣
@@garybunting3035 One-Hundred and Six??? Fuuuuuu - I would lose it. A hundred and bloody six... for a 36mm Explorer. The Rolex world is such a racket today Gary. Honestly, at this stage I'm going to wait about 12 - 15 years before considering one. By then (hopefully) as things ebb and flow, the heightened demand for these watches will drop somewhat. It's pure insanity hahaha! 🥃
@@ID-Guy I agree this Rolex hipetrain is a complete feck up. I'm looking at getting a new Omege as they are available. Will await the Tudor reveal 👍
if they updated this with a thinner case, blue lume and got rid of the rivets it would be perfect!
“The most tool-orientated Black Bay” until the next one, with their recent frequent releases, will probably be in a few months…
As beautiful as these watches are, nobody is using them as tool watches. Those days are long gone. They are nothing more than fine jewelry pieces.
Absolutely amazing review, would you prefer the pro over the 58?
Appreciate it man, thank you 🥃 For me, all things considered, I'd be taking the Pro (there are just too many divers in the collection 😆)
@@ID-Guy thank you bro, I can’t deny it does look so much better. Always look forward to your video, keep up the hard work!
I like the BB Pro. Regarding the thickness... I think all one needs to do is give the watch a fair wear for at least a week or two. If you're used to thin or otherwise more compact watches...it may be a bit of proportion shock to have something you'd not normally wear on wrist. But, whether it be a much larger or much smaller watch than you'd normally wear. Forget all the other watches in your collection and just wear the one in question for a good while and it'll all start to feel and look more natural and less offensive than one might have thought at the beginning... Unless it is a truly poorly designed and uncomfortable, then there's no overlooking or getting used to that, perhaps.
Btw, your new watch must be the BB925.
OR, I think maybe the North Flag. Field watches seems to be your favorite genre of watches and I can see this particular field watch from Tudor fitting in. Idk?.. maybe this video about the BB Pro is your unannounced intro to your new Tudor.. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Very well said Khrono. I agree, the idea of "eliminating" everything else from your collection and solely wearing one for a week or two without disruption makes you either gel with a watch or not (as a daily) Come to think of it, I now have watches from 35mm - 43mm in diameter and thickness from
I like it. I have an explorer2 but I'd happily wear this.
It definitely takes the pressure of "abusing" the Exp2 on a daily basis by taking this machine out more often 🥃
Is it true that this new bracelet uses real rivets? I heard that rumor.
As far as I know (after handling a few black bays) they're faux heads that are a part of the links. Something tells me they wouldn't change that formula (generally riveted bracelets are very delicate) BUT who knows these days? 😉
I like the look of the Pro but the thickness is holding me back. The Farer Lander GMT is 39.5mm case and 10.8 mm thick using a SW330-2 so I would be beating down the doors to get this Tudor if it was thinner. The Farer is a micro brand and I would much rather have a Tudor to pass to my boys I just wish it was thinner. I have a BB58 and love it and wish it had this GMT new bracelet on the BB58. All in all if this micro band with a great movement can make it thinner Tudor needs to scrap the movement and build a new one thinner like when they came out with the BB58. Also I have a 6.5 inch wrist
Farer makes incredible pieces. Their Segrave Monopusher I've always looked at fondly because of the gorgeous colour combo and attention to detail everywhere. Agreed that they need to pump money into making their new generation of GMT movements thinner. A BB58 GMT is going to be a big release (maybe as soon as two years from now) 🥃 Thanks for your comment and taking the time to watch the clip!
I recently bought the Grand Seiko sbgn003, it's quartz... The size of the case is so great! it's like a vintage size but in 4K.. love it
Fantastic pickup and congrats Benjamin! Hope you're rocking it as a daily! 🥃
I have been looking for some time for a watch to celebrate my 10th mariage aniversary. I found a new Pelagos 25500tn (eta) at a dealer collecting dust and bought it loving it. It rides lower compared to the newer model (te hight difference is on the underside of the watch) and that made a huge diffence in wearing experience. The back is ingraved for the occasion and i will collect it in october when it is time for the feast.
Anyhow, in the boutique they had a bbpro and i tried it on. A lot of peaple find it to thick, i didnt, a lot of hight is in the domed glass and visually it didnt bother me.
Still hiped over the original Pelagos, it is so pure, so their own design, as un glossy as can be. Cant wait for otober … for beiing so lucky to have found my partner in life and beiing married to her for 10 years. Seams like yesterday we met.
Your original Pelagos (two liner) is an absolute gem and it's one that anybody would want to own today (I'd happily add it to my collection) Not that it matters, but they have become super collectable and sought after today. There's too much to compliment about how pure of a design it is. You're right. I know a few collectors who have a small collection, but this Pelagos still remains their favorite watch all these years later. You found yourself a keeper there Roel (and it says the same about your marriage and anniversary 😉) Heartwarming! Thank you so much for sharing this AND happy 10 years for October!! 🥃
Just get on with it and show us your FXD 😀
In a few weeks it'll all be revealed 😉
I quite like it as looks nice and feels like a tool as opposed to screaming “luxury”. By the way my AD said I can get the new steel Submariner or Explorer if I first get a datejust, so I put my name for the steel, jubilee, fluted bezel, blue dial, stick markers in 41mm. I think it’s a good looking watch. What’s your thoughts on it as a everyday watch?
I’m loving my steel Daytona panda but after over 5 years of wearing it everyday looking to add another to the collection to celebrate the soon arrival of our daughter. I think it’s nice to have a story behind it.
Cheers mate, hope you are keeping well and fully recovered now 👍🏻
Thank you Reza! All recovered now luckily (after a good 3 weeks of taking it slowly) Your choice of a fluted DJ with black dial & sticks is superb. So hard to beat AND I'd own one in a second! My only question would be the size. If 41mm's suits you then it's ideal as a daily. The way I seem to work is some days when I'm not in the mood for a bigger watch (41 - 42) I'm usually switching between a 39, 36 or 35 (literally have all the sizes in the watch box 😆). If it was me, I'd be hunting a 36mm DJ for that timeless size BUT in saying that you could be getting the Explorer in 36mm soon enough too. Ah, you can't make a bad choice here... And again, wonderful news about your daughter, the day is fast approaching! Massive congratulations! Have a great start to your weekend sir! 🥃
I hope they make a BB58 Pro, those hour markers and hands are damn near perfect.
Those BB58 cases will be used more and more. I'm pretty sure it's the No.1 Bestseller (also really dig how they've addressed the longer hour hand with this model!) 🥃
@@ID-Guy I agree, now if they just added crown guards and a more Submariner style bezel along with the dial and hands of the Pro and call it the BB68!
It’s a true GMT ( black bay pro). I didn’t watch the video just wanted to say that
Very well articulated IDGuy, I have to agree with your views on this one. The bottom line is it needs.. no demands to be seen in the flesh to form an opinion of your own and not just follow the comments of others. The week it was released I had a call from an AD who asked if I wanted to make an appointment to have a look at it. With the YT videos along with many comments with a lot negative negative I didn't expect much but I did make an appointment for a couple of days later when I would be in the area and I'm very pleased that I did. As you say it is definitely the most tool watch reference in the BB line and it can be worn for almost any occasion that most of us may experience. It's not super shiny or in your face but does the job and does it well. It looks have been inspired by a watch that is no longer in production certainly but this is has modern mechanicals and manufacture. I love the sunray brushing of the bezel, the way that the date is executed to try (and almost succeed) to balance the missing marker at three. The applied plots and markers sans surround are purely functional with decent lume. It would have been nice if it was a thinner but we have to understand that the BB58 does not have a date or GMT hand that will add to the height of the hand stack. It's also worth noting that the GMT hand sits above the hour hand to clear the raised plots like it's GMT sibling. The dial is also mounted close to the crystal like the GMT and Pelagos that aids the already very good at a glance readability. I'm not bothered about faux rivets on the bracelet but also I'm not a fan and it may have been better without them. A big plus is that T clasp that arguably is one of the best on the tool less adjust around. My advice is see it, try it and decide on a purchase if you like it and can justify it. That's what I did.
Totally to the point
I am not a fan but I like it more than the modern Rolex version
It definitely communicates that "built for use" nature better than its big brother 😉
@@ID-Guy agree
I really like it. Probably not enough to actually part with money. But defo my favourite Tudor thus far.
It's nice to see them adding some "difference" into the family. We definitely don't need yet another turning bezel 😆🥃
Great video as always boykie well done.
I’m still in love with the longines Zulu spirit GMT you featured a few weeks ago, not sure between these two.
I reckon you went for the 925 taupe black bay 58….
A pleasure as always Wisam! It's going to be a nice surprise discussing the new pickup, that's for sure 😉🥃
Great video once again. Also wearing an Omega (older PO with hot metal insert) today.
I am waiting to receive this watch. I thing it is really useful and functional. The GMT master has too much focus on it therefore i am no longer wearing it when traveling. So basically the GMT master has lost its function for me. Can’t wait to have the Tudor BB Pro on my wrist.
Looking forward to the video in which you show your Tudor.
All the best 🥃
Thanks for this Theo. Love the whole "it's built to be used" feel that a watch like this has (and how it keeps its head down) I also can't wait for the reveal. The watch has been on the wrist so much since it arrived (mid February) that it's never stopped. 70hr power reserves are a gift and a curse 😆 Have a great start to your weekend!
@@ID-Guy thanks, playing golf tomorrow and Sunday so i will be fine. Also a good weekend to you.
@@ThD040 Oh to be on a course. I need to get back into it again! Have a superb time!! 🥃
@@ID-Guy if you are in The Netherlands just give me a shout out. I am a member at a lovely course in the small village of Leende.
Also appreciate you showing the Christopher Ward Anthropocene. That was my first watch over 1k and somewhat over shadowed by my newer collection but still have a soft spot for it cheers
Those CW's are so beautiful. If it wasn't for the full name script on the dial (that bugs me for some reason) I'd happily add one to my collection. I need a white dial watch that's a GMT and these are perfect!!
It wears larger than the current 40mm gmt rolex. It’s too big.
I was never really a fan of Tudor for any specific reason other than to say it was a cheaper rolex to be quite Frank, but since you present such an eloquent case for the watch brand especially this model it is worth a second consideration. When I buy a watch, i buy it for me not to show it off or to get attention. I love the meaning behind the watch and that is why you should buy it. This is such an expensive hobby. Anybody wanna buy a used batmobile with low milage? I hear there is an IDguy watch in the works.
Tudor really do offer that kind of machine (more will be covered in the review of mine) but the whole "tool" watch niche they have nailed with a lot of their models (far better than other brands). It all depends on the Batmobile... You might be better off trading the gas guzzler for the latest electric model? 😆
@@ID-Guy I agree they do have a very nice tool look to them, which I love. An electric Batmobile, now there's something to consider. Maybe I will name it the Bat black bay mobile.
@@ID-Guy hey would you ever consider doing a review on one of the Seiko Astron watches?
Excellent video
Thank you as always for taking the time to watch it Rob! It means so much. And have an great start to your weekend! 🥃
This watch does nothing for me, I really don’t like the steel bezel and I was under the impression to truly use the GMT function, you need a rotating bezel, maybe I am wrong though.
Either way this watch will sell like mad, I would much rather the BB Heritage and have that nice burgundy bezel pop with the gold.
It's an interesting one. The original 1655 was not technically a GMT because the hand couldn't be independently set. Technically speaking, all the new models that can set individually can be called GMT's. The bezel's on models today have become an added luxury that lets you set up to three timezones at once (which is quite awesome) - And those original Heritage models with Roses and Smiling text... if that design style returned with these newer pieces, Tudor would have my money for one 😉
@@ID-Guy ah ok that makes sense now, telling 3 time zones great functionality!
I still feel like the Longines Zulu Time is a game changer for the price point as well, especially with that jazzy bracelet release.
Those heritage models are beautiful, even with a slight thickness they wear really well, it might have to be my wedding watch. Really interested to see which Tudor you picked up as well,L.
I really like it. Can't wait to see it in person to see if it's too small for my 7.5" 19CM wrist.
There's always a glorious Pelagos to take its place 😉 Not that I'm biased or anything...