British Army: What Is The Hourly Rate?
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- British Army: What Is The Hourly Rate?
Many people incorrectly think that members of the Armed Forces are paid 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. This is wrong and, in this video, I set out to actually show that serving personnel in the Armed Forces earn more than the national minimum wage which is currently at £9.18.
I use data from the Continuous Working Patterns Survey as well as the Working Time Regulation to further solidify my point and provide evidence, context and perspective to back up my statement.
Whilst under Service Law, serving personnel must be available for duty 24/7, 365 days a year, they aren’t actually on duty for that length of time. This would be impossible. No one works that amount and this video sets out to educate and inform both serving personnel, veterans and civilians of how the British Army is paid.
Links:
British Army Pay - • How Much Are The Briti...
Squaddie Vs Civvie - • Military Versus Civili...
Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
0:45 Difference between hourly pay and a salary
1:22 Pros and Cons to being paid an hourly rate
1:54 Pros and Cons to being paid a salary
2:27 Overtime pay
3:06 Hourly pay and salary summary
3:30 Armed Forces salary in an hourly rate
4:20 Incorrect method of salary into hourly rate example
6:20 Armed Forces employment law
7:31 What is the working time regulation?
8:32 Continuous Working Patterns Survey
9:31 How the MoD calculate the hourly rate
10:09 Correct method of salary into hourly rate example
12:00 Table of all hourly rates in the British Army
12:20 MoD legally exempt from minimum wage legislation
12:51 Day to day for the most part is like a 9 till 5
13:18 Stand-down in place of Time Off In Lieu (TOIL)
14:36 Final thoughts
15:57 Outro
Sources:
www.gov.uk/government/publica...
www.gov.uk/government/publica...
www.gov.uk/national-minimum-w...
croner.co.uk/resources/pay-be....
timetastic.co.uk/blog/salary-...
www.gov.uk/overtime-your-rights
www.gov.uk/maximum-weekly-wor...
www.raf-ff.org.uk/service-pay...
www.gov.uk/government/statist...
DISCLAIMER:
I am not a professional financial advisor and this video is not financial advice. Please do your own research before making any decisions with your money and seek professional financial advice if need be.
Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
0:45 Difference between hourly pay and a salary
1:22 Pros and Cons to being paid an hourly rate
1:54 Pros and Cons to being paid a salary
2:27 Overtime pay
3:06 Hourly pay and salary summary
3:30 Armed Forces salary in an hourly rate
4:20 Incorrect method of salary into hourly rate example
6:20 Armed Forces employment law
7:31 What is the working time regulation?
8:32 Continuous Working Patterns Survey
9:31 How the MoD calculate the hourly rate
10:09 Correct method of salary into hourly rate example
12:00 Table of all hourly rates in the British Army
12:20 MoD legally exempt from minimum wage legislation
12:51 Day to day for the most part is like a 9 till 5
13:18 Stand-down in place of Time Off In Lieu (TOIL)
14:36 Final thoughts
15:57 Outro
Lol it looks like me posting that police constable 90k salary with overtime left a big impression on you so much that you had to make a video. Keep up the good work
PAY, PENSIONS, PROMOTION AND OVERALL PROSPECTS ARE DECIMATED IN RECENT YEARS.
Can I just say a big thank you for taking some of your own time to focus on creating these videos when you could have chosen to do other things in your spare time. I've personally seen other Military TH-camrs who have only talked about finances briefly and none have gone into depth. Whereas your videos go into depth about finances that I didn't even know about. Thank you.
You're welcome and thank you for the appreciation, it means a lot.
I always think the army isn't doing enough to educate the young squaddies about finances. Glad I found this channel to have something to link them to. Keep it up mate.
Cheers, thanks for the appreciation
Mega video kid, I'm in yr 31 and the amount of juniors that NTT without truly appreciating the OFFER is painfull. Spot on and made me giggle!
Thank you. Good to hear it made you smile
This needs making into a public / school information film.
Excellent work.
The uk mill all arms is obviously short of recruits. Its simply down to give it a go syndrome.
If civvies saw and understood this. Also the MOD it would help.
The best bonus for anyone joining is the chance to learn a trade. Your set up for life even if you only hack it fot a couple of years.
The way you come across, just brings back many memories of my time, I left in 2009 and Miss it thanks bye!
Well I hope I provoke the positive memories haha
Good video keep it up
Any chance you can do a video on capitation rates? I've had a look at them and don't really understand them.;
try calculating the MPGS hourly rate. they're on an annualized hours contract of 2496 hours/yearly.
What about pay when being deployed?
Hi mate, what's the DIN for working time regulations that you mentioned in your video?
I believe its 2021DIN01-045. Can find it over on Defence Connect by searching for the working time regulations. It should pop up then.
Some of this is not true and I can't believe you are saying being paid the base rate is acceptable for the shit we go through. Desk Jockey.
Interesting. Sounds reasonable but this calculation does not work for reserve officers and soldier. I took your example of the private soldier to see home much my soldiers hourly rate was.
£21425 minus Reg X factor plus Res X factor
£21425 / 114 x 105 (Reservist get 5%) = £19733
So! the Res private annual salary would be £19733
£19733 / 365 = £54.06 per day. So far so good (Not really competitive if the MOD is trying to attract a civilian away from their civil job though).
Reserves are paid in 2 hour blocks;
ie; min 2 hours =1/4 day, min 4 hours= 1/2 day. min 6 hours =3/4 day, min 8 hours = Full day
The day rate of £54.06 / by 4 gives the 2 hour rate of £13.51
An hourly rate of £6.78 (clearly below nat min wage)
; An infantry Pte can expect to deploy onto a training exercise on a Friday night and return to barracks Sunday night. A full 48hr period for 2.5 day pay (£135.15 gross)
They should expect to be on duty and working for the whole period. £135.15 / 48 = £2.81per hour (They may also be charged emergency tax as they have a full time civilian job. This could potentially bring the soldiers take home pay down to £1.68per hr if he/she is a high rate tax payer in their civilian job).
; An evening is paid as a 2 hour block ie £13.51. However, prep for the evening and travel each way is not paid for. This could be several hours of the employees time. Cost of travel (HTD) is covered. Although, the individual is classed as on duty during travel, just in case of an accident. (A higher rate tax payer could potentially take home £3.37 plus travel pay (HTD) for a drill night training period).
There are very few times, if any that a reserve is paid when not working, if fact the regulations strictly forbid it. (A paid leave day for every 10 worked is now in place as well as the pro rata pension ).
There is a small annual tax free bounty (which does go up over time) for the reserve that has met all the commitments and most far exceed them but it certainly does not make up for the pay disparity and there appears to be very few other compensating factors to reserve service.
There is no LSA for reserve service even though they spend many evenings, wks and week blocks on courses separated from their families.
I have shocked myself while ive been working this out. It has dawned on me how farsical the remuneration is now I can see it written down. Perhaps it's better if peoples attention is not drawn to this.
I wonder if the MOD have ever looked into how they pay reserve service ? As it may explain why it is a huge struggle to recruit and more importantly, retain the skilled people the MOD needs to hold onto in uncertain times.
You see with the "stand down" the CO can grant does this come off your ILA?
No, it's separate from the ILA. If the CoC are asking you to put leave in, then it isn't stand down, it's plain old leave. Stand down is essentially buckshee time off as a reward for working hard.
Another good vid. Though you’ve had to exercise the bleep machine more than previously. It smacks of having had the exact same real world conversations with some numpty.
Cheers, I feel the bleep machine was needed more for this one to really drive home and emphasize certain points
Great vid speaking as a veteran, while ive got your attention 😁😁🤣🤣, any chance you could do a vid on both ORs route into the army verses a Rupperts, as my boy is currently looking at both and we are finding it hard to get lots of info for the Sandhurst route especially as all his quals are French because im an ex pat ,,,,,,,,,,, thanx in advance
Thanks, it's certainly something I can look too in the future, just not sure how far into that future yet haha
Best thing you can do is go to U.K. and visit a career office. My friends daughter joined from Spain and all her exams etc were Spanish ….it’s easy if you want it bad enough 👍🏻
38 days is with bank holiday mate.
Is this current for the 2023 pay review ?
The salaries are now out of date but the principles and points remain the same.
In April the first few increment levels of private soldiers are being increased due to the rise in NLW.
This is separate to any pay award that the AFPRB announce this year.
@@thesavvysquaddieso a new private gets 25k
Is the "Savvy Squaddie" a Squaddie? Hmm!
Have I given you reason to think otherwise?
Late starts on Monday Wednesday sports and Friday early knock off what unit are you with that's a gift 😂
Haha I don't get all of those. My old unit used to have a sports afternoon on a Wednesday and knock off after COs PT on a Friday. Never had a late start Monday but I know units that do which is why I included it.
hiya the savvy,i left the british army (army reserves ) after 42 years, iam on the army forces pension 15,do you know if i would get any more of the earlier pensions, i joined 81 & finished my army reserve career on july 22, i am getting a pension now,but its shocking,for the time i served
Thanks for the comment, I do intend to do a future video on reservists pensions as they are a separate beast in themselves and I know that before the 15, reservists had a separate pension altogether to regulars but at the moment I'm not too clued up on it yet.
As Savvy said, the pension prior to 2015 did not cover part time reserve service so all those years of drill nights, weekends and annual camps, prior to 2015, did not count towards the pension which is probably why it seems so low.
@@TheJEMster70 ,i did four tours in the army reserves, 95,96,2004 & 2011,the 1995 was attached to a regular regtiment, in cyprus, but would they count to army pension.
@@Chalkie758 see assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/28092/20100401JSP764Part3Amdtno3.pdf
It certainly looks like full time periods of service, e.g. FTRS appointments and when called up for operations, attracted pension entitlements under the Reserve Forces Pension Scheme 2005, but I am not an expert and cannot work out from the docs available online whether AFPS75 also provided the same to full time reservists. Your pension administrator should be able to confirm what periods of service have been used to calculate your current pension payment.
@@TheJEMster70 ,thank you for the info
I expect there are pages and pages of BS about this on ARRSE but I wouldn't bother looking unless you want to learn some new foul language.
Doesnt want to think any harder because it hurts LOL
yet another reason for me to join the military, yet to find many to reasons not to so far
I'm not going to sugar coat it, there are plenty of times that are crap but that is life. All jobs have those aspects. No job is perfect. Personally I make the most of the career path I have chosen and the make the most out of what the military is able to offer me and allows me to do and I have done loads and benefitted greatly and will continue to benefit from a what the Army can offer. I'm not one of the professional victims who sit idly by complaining about everything but never actually taking any positive action in their life to make the situation better. Instead they expect it to be done for them. You will get the negative nellies who just complain about everything. These people could win the lottery and still complain.
There will be times when you lose your weekends at the last minute, times when you are away form home for months, times where you are sitting in the pouring rain pondering life, times when the accommodation you are living in should probably be condemned, times where you are treated and spoken to like a child, times where the food has wood in it and so on. There are plenty of things that people will complain about but I tell you these things not to scare you off but to give you a realistic representation of what it can be like. No point making a big life choice to later regret it and then you are stuck for 4 years.
I'd rather people who don't like the sound of that not join the military as they just bring everyone else down around them and increase the work load of those who actually want to be there. So, still want to join? haha
@@thesavvysquaddie If im honest i dont think anything could really put me off joining the RAF to fly chinooks and other helicopters, i mean their could be a war and i would still happily do it, and i like to think that i accept what i do as my own choice and make the best of my short time on this planet. Realistically im probably nothing like that and would love to blame someone else for my own mistakes but then i guess thats just part of being human, dont think anyone likes to take credit for doing something wrong. Besides the RAF gives me a free way into the RNLI or Air Ambulance which im hoping to join after the RAF,. So uh at least 30k a year plus, free training and a great thing to put on my CV for other jobs, what more could you want?
Ah you are going RAF, ignore everything I just said. You'll be in hotels when you go a way haha
@@thesavvysquaddie Only way i can live, nice warm hotels, with 10 hours of sleep. Cant be seen running around in the mud and "sleeping" on rocks for 15 minutes day lol. Besides i can always just do that from in squad or arma in the comfort of my own home, guess I'd be just those drone pilots. And thanks for taking the time to reply to my comments
poor Joe, he tries his best lol
Haha, he'll get there eventually.