Thank you for putting this together. I picked up a model 45 with a 3 phase. I had restored other tools with 3 phase power, but the reeves drive combined with 3 phase was new to me. Lots more tinkering to do before its fully operational. Thank you for your informative video and wiring diagram.
Thank you for the video, George! You are an entertaining guy! I am picking up a Powermatic 90 tomorrow and found your videos while searching on TH-cam. I really appreciate all of the detail you showed of your electronics. I will most likely be doing something very similar :)
I really enjoy your videos . I just purchased a powermatic model 90 and slowly getting back to original condition, it's missing the original banjo instead it has a Delta/rockwell banjo I think I could live with it. Nice job on the restoration.
Thanks. Yes, this is correct. Motor alone at low speeds has very low torque. However, you can work with low speeds on the spindle, by setting the mechanical speed control to low, and increasing the motor speed.
@@georgebell7103 all you need to run a 3 phase motor on 110 is a cheap VFD and a lifetime of engineering knowledge. thanks for sharing i didnt know it was so simple. i see your floor jack in the background, and notice you have your lathe on casters. i am currently contemplating buying a 700 pound lathe. i am watching other youtubers show how they move and lift big stuff.
@@terrypriest6471 Yes, it is quite simple to hook up the VFD. Much easier that it might seam at first. Yes, I have everything in the shop, save the metal lathe, on casters. Makes the shop easier to clean and more versatile, when unique projects come along. Machines than need a good foundation also have leveling feet which can retract when moving them on the casters. Thanks for your comments.
Thank you I took the three phase out years ago but still have it and need to move it from Pa to Tn and out of my basement and want to go back to the three phase and this was a big help
Great videos, thanks. I just bought a '77 model 90 in great shape at a school auction... and wouldn't you know it? They optioned it for a single phase motor. So I can't do this conversion unless I actively seek out a 3 phase motor replacement! The reeves speed control is still a big upgrade for me, tho. The minimum pulley speed on my old rockwell was 900rpm! Looking at the manual, I think my slowest speed on this PM90 is about 320rpm so still a little fast for roughing on 10 or so inch bowls but still way better than 900.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, having both the mechanical reeves speed control, and also motor speed control is really a nice combination if you can do it….. you would need a 3 phase motor and VFD to configure as I have demonstrated in this video. Good luck whatever you decide to do.
I did not publish a list of the electrical components for fear some inexperienced person might simply copy all not understanding what was going on. They may get very frustrated, or worse get injured, or build something unsafe. However if you want we can talk via email. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
Thanks George. I have the same P90 the exact same model with aluminum labeled wrap around the speed dial rather than the cast numbers. According the serial number lookup mine is a 1969. Oddly, mine has a 1.5hp single phase motor. It looks like it was a special order, unless someone did an excellent job retrofitting the motor. I may someday switch it to a three phase with VFD but that's a future possibility. Thanks again for the very informative video. I really appreciate when someone takes the time to share knowledge. If by chance you know where I could purchase a new aluminum label for the speed dial I'd also appreciate that too, mine is badly scratched. Great video, cheers.
Thanks for your comment. I suspect you machine was ordered with a single phase motor. The VFD really adds flexibility to the operation of the machine. I do not know where a new replacement aluminum band can be found. You might consider removing it and perhaps printing on the back then reinstalling it. Good luck
Thanks for your comment, TECO has updated their Line of VFDs. So, you could just get their current offering. However, I don’t think it matters, there are several makers of good quality units. Just make sure you size the VFD to be capable of handling the amperage requirements of your motor. Good luck.
Hello! Great videos. Thank you. I have the same machine. Did you have any runout on the spindle? Mine has .004 out. Is there any way to correct and make it closer to 0? Thanks
Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video. I don’t recall if I even checked the runout on the spindle after I replaced the spindle bearings. You could do that to get some improvement.. maybe. However, 4 thousands sounds pretty good for woodworking.
@@georgebell7103 I might be picking up a model 90 next weekend and if I do, I will be watching your video a few more times! It is in pretty good condition, however, it is missing the variable speed dial. For $50, I feel like I can't really go wrong. I'll know more when I actually go look at it.
@@georgebell7103 I am set to pick up the model 90 this Friday and I am going to attempt your conversion. My thought process to move it is: 1) Unbolt it from the base. 2) With 2-3 guys, lift and pivot it into the back of the truck and slide it in. I was wondering if you have any other suggestions for this process. Thank you.
@@littlephish4206 sure this will work, the thing weighs 600 pounds. As I recall, I disassembled it and was able to get all the parts in my van by myself.
I appreciate what you are saying, but I don’t have a parts list for all the switches I used. The wire diagram was included the the video, so folks could see how the electronics work and understand the theory of operations. I am reluctant to publish every detail (specific part numbers etc.) for fear people would simply copy everything I did, not understand what they were doing, and get in trouble. Possibly finding themselves hopelessly confused about why things aren’t working, or even hurt. Having said that, I am willing to help. send me an email, and we can discuss. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
I am in the middle of a restore of a Powermatic 90 with a Baldor Baltric 1hp, 3ph motor. I would guess around a 1966 model. Bolts from the bottom for the bed. I am a little confused about the wiring. Is the low voltage on the VFD AC or DC? I can not verify if the motor will even run with a VFD. I also don't know which potentiometer to choose as there are many different resistance types. Could you help me out?
Good morning George, I was very impressed with your video on the Model 90, do you have a material list for the items that you used to convert the lathe over to VFD? In particular, which switches and tach did you use. Thank you.
Thanks for your comment. I don’t have a list of the specific switches however all of them are of the standard variety. All can be ordered fro Amazon, EBay, macmaster carr, or similar suppliers. Send me an email if you need help. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
Hi George, Excellent video! I'm also restoring a 3-phase Model 90, using a VFD. Question about the original wiring - specifically the three wires associated with the Reeves Drive. Does this wiring also get removed? You demonstrated that your Reeves Drive still works. If its wiring is removed, then the assumption is that this speed adjustment is only by the OEM speed control increasing/decreasing the diameter of the upper pulley. Is that the case? Or, if that wiring remains, where does it connected? Thanks, Dan. Thousand Oaks, CA
Thanks for your comment. My machine only had pieces of the original wiring, So, I cannot speak to it with great authority. The reeves drive is all mechanical. Change speed by moving the pulleys in and out by the control lever. The original wiring used a low voltage control system to turn the motor on and off, as shown in the video. Send me a not via email, we can discuss further if desired. Pargolongago@yahoo.com
Mr. Bell Iv watched both of your Vfd installations I can see your useing a Teco FM-50. But I don’t know what specific model it is. I see them on EBay at good price but I’m afraid of getting the wrong one. I have a S.B 13 running on a home built Rotary phase converter I made. It was a fun project and learned a lot. But I keep going back to your Vfd and how nice they are wired up and running. If I get a teco FM50 three phase in /three phase out can it be wired in L1 and L2 in and three phase out L1 L2 L3 ? Or is it specifically Single phase in and three phase out Hope I’m wording this Wright lol Thanks
Thanks for your comment. I believe TECO has upgraded their VFD drives, and the FM50 is no longer available. VFDs come in many configurations, be careful what you buy. Make sure the input is what you have available, in the shop, typically 1 phase, 120V or 240V. Make sure the VFD specifications match your input and output needs and the amp output is consistent with the motor you are trying to control. 3 phase input will not work if your shop does not have 3 phase power. Email me if you want to discuss further. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com. Good luck.
Thanks for this very informative video. I have just found a M90 locally on CraigsList that I;m interested in. Can you possibly offer a reasonable range that it might be worth. Price is $2500 with a North American PL50 phase converter.
Thanks for your comment. These are nice machines. I have sold this machine, send me an email and we can discuss.... PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com. Also check out the second video in the series if you have not already
I have had several viewers ask for a parts list for the electronics. I am reluctant to publish a detailed list. However send me a note and I will help you out. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
I have a mid 70's model 90. I think I'm going to do the same thing to it. Wired a 3 phase motor with a VFD on my drill press and love it.
Yes, speed control is very nice on three phase motors plus VFD. Thanks for your comment
Thank you for putting this together. I picked up a model 45 with a 3 phase. I had restored other tools with 3 phase power, but the reeves drive combined with 3 phase was new to me. Lots more tinkering to do before its fully operational. Thank you for your informative video and wiring diagram.
Glad the video is helpful. Good luck
Thanks for the detailed explanation of the power and drive system. Such a nice setup. Time traveling to get to nearly 6K RPM’s was awesome.
Hey, thanks for the comment, and watching to the end of the video
Lookin’ good George! Another solid piece of old iron brought back to life. How about a Bridgeport next?
Yeah, Ryan I am thinking about a Bridgeport Mill.
Thank you for the video, George! You are an entertaining guy! I am picking up a Powermatic 90 tomorrow and found your videos while searching on TH-cam. I really appreciate all of the detail you showed of your electronics. I will most likely be doing something very similar :)
Great to hear the videos were helpful... let me know if I can help with any questions. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
I really enjoy your videos . I just purchased a powermatic model 90 and slowly getting back to original condition, it's missing the original banjo instead it has a Delta/rockwell banjo I think I could live with it.
Nice job on the restoration.
Thanks for your comment. Good luck with your project
Great video! Viewers be aware that the motor has very low torque at low speeds.
Thanks. Yes, this is correct. Motor alone at low speeds has very low torque. However, you can work with low speeds on the spindle, by setting the mechanical speed control to low, and increasing the motor speed.
i stood back from the screen at 6000 rpm. pretty cool engineering job mr. Bell.
Thanks for your comment. And thanks for making it to the end of the video… don’t think many make it that far.
@@georgebell7103 all you need to run a 3 phase motor on 110 is a cheap VFD and a lifetime of engineering knowledge. thanks for sharing i didnt know it was so simple. i see your floor jack in the background, and notice you have your lathe on casters. i am currently contemplating buying a 700 pound lathe. i am watching other youtubers show how they move and lift big stuff.
@@terrypriest6471 Yes, it is quite simple to hook up the VFD. Much easier that it might seam at first. Yes, I have everything in the shop, save the metal lathe, on casters. Makes the shop easier to clean and more versatile, when unique projects come along. Machines than need a good foundation also have leveling feet which can retract when moving them on the casters. Thanks for your comments.
I actually wired my south bend lathe with a VFD exactly as you did in the south bend rebuild video. Still works great, made lots of chips.
Yeah, the VFD in this configuration is really nice. Thanks for your comment
Thank you I took the three phase out years ago but still have it and need to move it from Pa to Tn and out of my basement and want to go back to the three phase and this was a big help
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, 3 Phase plus a VFD are great for this machine. Contact me if you need some help.
Thank you for these 2 videos. I'm considering a model 90 and it looks like it would be a fun project.
Yes it was fun. Thanks for your comment
Great videos, thanks. I just bought a '77 model 90 in great shape at a school auction... and wouldn't you know it? They optioned it for a single phase motor. So I can't do this conversion unless I actively seek out a 3 phase motor replacement!
The reeves speed control is still a big upgrade for me, tho. The minimum pulley speed on my old rockwell was 900rpm! Looking at the manual, I think my slowest speed on this PM90 is about 320rpm so still a little fast for roughing on 10 or so inch bowls but still way better than 900.
Thanks for the comment. Yeah, having both the mechanical reeves speed control, and also motor speed control is really a nice combination if you can do it….. you would need a 3 phase motor and VFD to configure as I have demonstrated in this video. Good luck whatever you decide to do.
Thank you for explaining this so well. Is it possible to get a list of the components you used in the control box?
I did not publish a list of the electrical components for fear some inexperienced person might simply copy all not understanding what was going on. They may get very frustrated, or worse get injured, or build something unsafe. However if you want we can talk via email. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
Great job!
Thanks
Thanks George. I have the same P90 the exact same model with aluminum labeled wrap around the speed dial rather than the cast numbers. According the serial number lookup mine is a 1969. Oddly, mine has a 1.5hp single phase motor. It looks like it was a special order, unless someone did an excellent job retrofitting the motor. I may someday switch it to a three phase with VFD but that's a future possibility. Thanks again for the very informative video. I really appreciate when someone takes the time to share knowledge. If by chance you know where I could purchase a new aluminum label for the speed dial I'd also appreciate that too, mine is badly scratched. Great video, cheers.
Thanks for your comment. I suspect you machine was ordered with a single phase motor. The VFD really adds flexibility to the operation of the machine. I do not know where a new replacement aluminum band can be found. You might consider removing it and perhaps printing on the back then reinstalling it. Good luck
George, great video. Could you tell me what the source of your components. Looking to add a tach to my model 90 just like you did.
Thanks for your comment. Let’s talk via email. Pargolongago@yahoo.com
Thanks for the videos. Very informative. I just sent you an email about a lathe I am considering.
Thanks for the comment Dave, I sent you a reply email.
George looking at a PM90. Great video! The FM50 isn't available anymore. What's do you suggest for an affordable VFD.
Thanks
Thanks for your comment, TECO has updated their Line of VFDs. So, you could just get their current offering. However, I don’t think it matters, there are several makers of good quality units. Just make sure you size the VFD to be capable of handling the amperage requirements of your motor. Good luck.
Hello! Great videos. Thank you. I have the same machine. Did you have any runout on the spindle? Mine has .004 out. Is there any way to correct and make it closer to 0? Thanks
Thanks for the comment, glad you liked the video. I don’t recall if I even checked the runout on the spindle after I replaced the spindle bearings. You could do that to get some improvement.. maybe. However, 4 thousands sounds pretty good for woodworking.
Great video! Thank you for posting!
You are welcome. Thanks for the comment
@@georgebell7103 I might be picking up a model 90 next weekend and if I do, I will be watching your video a few more times! It is in pretty good condition, however, it is missing the variable speed dial. For $50, I feel like I can't really go wrong. I'll know more when I actually go look at it.
@@littlephish4206 well good luck. You are welcome to contact me with questions
@@georgebell7103 I am set to pick up the model 90 this Friday and I am going to attempt your conversion. My thought process to move it is: 1) Unbolt it from the base. 2) With 2-3 guys, lift and pivot it into the back of the truck and slide it in. I was wondering if you have any other suggestions for this process. Thank you.
@@littlephish4206 sure this will work, the thing weighs 600 pounds. As I recall, I disassembled it and was able to get all the parts in my van by myself.
Mr. Bell,
Would you be so kind as to share the part numbers for the switches you used on your conversion? It would be greatly appreciated to all.
I appreciate what you are saying, but I don’t have a parts list for all the switches I used. The wire diagram was included the the video, so folks could see how the electronics work and understand the theory of operations. I am reluctant to publish every detail (specific part numbers etc.) for fear people would simply copy everything I did, not understand what they were doing, and get in trouble. Possibly finding themselves hopelessly confused about why things aren’t working, or even hurt.
Having said that, I am willing to help. send me an email, and we can discuss. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
I am in the middle of a restore of a Powermatic 90 with a Baldor Baltric 1hp, 3ph motor. I would guess around a 1966 model. Bolts from the bottom for the bed. I am a little confused about the wiring. Is the low voltage on the VFD AC or DC? I can not verify if the motor will even run with a VFD. I also don't know which potentiometer to choose as there are many different resistance types. Could you help me out?
Yes, I hve helped several guys work through this …. Let’s do it via email… PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
Good morning George, I was very impressed with your video on the Model 90, do you have a material list for the items that you used to convert the lathe over to VFD? In particular, which switches and tach did you use. Thank you.
Thanks for your comment. I don’t have a list of the specific switches however all of them are of the standard variety. All can be ordered fro Amazon, EBay, macmaster carr, or similar suppliers. Send me an email if you need help. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
Hi George, Excellent video! I'm also restoring a 3-phase Model 90, using a VFD. Question about the original wiring - specifically the three wires associated with the Reeves Drive. Does this wiring also get removed? You demonstrated that your Reeves Drive still works. If its wiring is removed, then the assumption is that this speed adjustment is only by the OEM speed control increasing/decreasing the diameter of the upper pulley. Is that the case? Or, if that wiring remains, where does it connected? Thanks, Dan. Thousand Oaks, CA
Thanks for your comment. My machine only had pieces of the original wiring, So, I cannot speak to it with great authority. The reeves drive is all mechanical. Change speed by moving the pulleys in and out by the control lever. The original wiring used a low voltage control system to turn the motor on and off, as shown in the video. Send me a not via email, we can discuss further if desired. Pargolongago@yahoo.com
Great video
Fun to watch and learn.
Hey, Thanks for the comment
Mr. Bell
Iv watched both of your Vfd installations
I can see your useing a Teco FM-50.
But I don’t know what specific model it is.
I see them on EBay at good price but I’m afraid of getting the wrong one.
I have a S.B 13 running on a home built Rotary phase converter I made. It was a fun project and learned a lot. But I keep going back to your Vfd and how nice they are wired up and running.
If I get a teco FM50 three phase in /three phase out can it be wired in L1 and L2 in and three phase out L1 L2 L3 ?
Or is it specifically Single phase in and three phase out
Hope I’m wording this Wright lol
Thanks
Thanks for your comment. I believe TECO has upgraded their VFD drives, and the FM50 is no longer available. VFDs come in many configurations, be careful what you buy. Make sure the input is what you have available, in the shop, typically 1 phase, 120V or 240V. Make sure the VFD specifications match your input and output needs and the amp output is consistent with the motor you are trying to control. 3 phase input will not work if your shop does not have 3 phase power. Email me if you want to discuss further. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com. Good luck.
Hello was there a specific reason you choose a Teco brand VFD?
No, I have used several brands for 4 VFD projects so far. All have been good
Thanks for this very informative video. I have just found a M90 locally on CraigsList that I;m interested in. Can you possibly offer a reasonable range that it might be worth. Price is $2500 with a North American PL50 phase converter.
Thanks for your comment. These are nice machines. I have sold this machine, send me an email and we can discuss.... PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com. Also check out the second video in the series if you have not already
I have had several viewers ask for a parts list for the electronics. I am reluctant to publish a detailed list. However send me a note and I will help you out. PargoLongAgo@Yahoo.com
lol pretty ballsy GB lol .........6k rpm
Great fun Bobby, thanks for the comment