My Vices in Latin Pronunciation / Vitia mea in Latine pronuntiando

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  • @BrowardHeron
    @BrowardHeron 3 ปีที่แล้ว +166

    I’m not gonna lie, I nearly keeled over when you hit us with that gringo Latin haha

  • @MagisterCraft
    @MagisterCraft 5 ปีที่แล้ว +104

    Thank you for doing this, my friend! We should all follow your lead in your display of humility and admit errare vere humanum est!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Heh it is indeed! Hopefully I can get rid of my darn American accent sooner or later...! Thanks. :) XIII !!!

  • @TheOtherCaleb
    @TheOtherCaleb 4 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    I just noticed that if you talk latin with in American accent, you sound like Mark zuckerberg

  • @erjaluz7436
    @erjaluz7436 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Macchè Lucaaa tu sei italico onorario!!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Grazie, Erica! :D

    • @remedyisrael705
      @remedyisrael705 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are you going to make more videos soon because it seems like your channel would be very good and informational !!!! I like what I see in the one video so far off the titles it seems like you like doing experimental analysis on things and are you an astronaut ?

  • @aninhagamez
    @aninhagamez 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    I thought you were Italian hahaha your "r" is so perfect, as a Brazilian who speaks with that same "r" I can tell, and watching your video I realized that a lot of your vices in Latin are the opposite of mine when I speak in English

  • @maximuslondon
    @maximuslondon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I studied Latin (and Latin literature) for seven years in Italy, a long time ago. We were never taught to speak or even write in Latin, the aim was to learn the language so that we could understand the Classics, like Virgil for instance. Now, though, just listening to Luke talking in Latin I am surprised how much of it I can understand.

  • @andresyanez9243
    @andresyanez9243 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Luke, estoy empezando con gran entusiasmo el estudio del Latín, y tus recomendaciones y videos han sido una inspiración para mi. Observo tu pasión y amor por la lengua latina, la importancia y cuidado que das a la pronunciación correcta, y francamente has logrado que mi entusiasmo se incremente. Gracias!

  • @sahinoudiengo816
    @sahinoudiengo816 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Hello there! I'm Russian. Sorry for my "Anglica". I respect your work on creating classical Latin pronunciation. I started learning Latin two weeks ago. For Russian-speaking people learning Latin classical pronunciation is easier then for English-speaking, because russian T, D, P, C, U sound the same as Latin. But there are soft sounds T, D, B, P, N, M, L, G in Russian language, but there are not this sounds in Latin. Also in Russian sound L is not Latin and there are not sound W, which is present in Latin. This things do creating classical pronunciation more hardly for russian-speaking people.
    Thank you for your work, you stimulate me to learn Latin. (and "Anglica" even too!!!)

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Говоришь очень хорошо по-английски! Спасибо 😃

    • @sahinoudiengo816
      @sahinoudiengo816 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus hah
      I have a little need of your help. How I can translate on Latin "Wonderer (or traveler) on the way" ?

  • @patchoulicolt7093
    @patchoulicolt7093 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I'm sitting here wondering WTF is going on. Turns out I'm supposed to have subtitiles enabled. . .

  • @weirdlanguageguy
    @weirdlanguageguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I constantly find myself returning to this video. Everything about it is hilarious and enjoyable, and I'll most likely be back in a week or so. Thank you!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      How kind of you to say so! I’m delighted 😀

    • @weirdlanguageguy
      @weirdlanguageguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@ScorpioMartianus You're welcome!

  • @yulissa2925
    @yulissa2925 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I almost don't understand anything u say but its so catching and interesting! I tried to pronounce just like u were saying but it was difficult! I thought I'd be easy as I'm a native spanish speaker, however I really appreciate ur content! (BTW my English is not the best)

  • @yunasimanuishmausha4547
    @yunasimanuishmausha4547 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Well worth it. Educational about the true pronunciation of Latin.

  • @ivanradu2503
    @ivanradu2503 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Sine cura sis, magistre! Tua dictione clarissima est et placet.

    • @topazbutterfly1853
      @topazbutterfly1853 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just a quick notice, second declension nouns that end in “-er” or “-ir”, such as puer, magister, mater, pater, have Vocative forms identical with the Nominative ones. So it should be “magister,” not “magistre.” Just like some other words have irregular Accusative and Ablative forms, like “vis, -is,” which is “vim” in Accusative and “vi” in Ablative.

  • @bedwere
    @bedwere 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Sumus omnes peccatores, Luci!

  • @juniusrabbinius211
    @juniusrabbinius211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Juxtapositio Luci Itali contra Lucem Americanum instructiva magnopere est!
    Seriously, this is very helpful as well as being really really funny and entertaining. It’s terrific!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gratias tibi, Juni mi care! Much obliged for your comment and for watching. :) I hope to get rid of some of these errors soon!

  • @abelpalmer552
    @abelpalmer552 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Was my quarantine project to learn a little Latin and I did but it fell by the wayside during the semester...just came back to this channel and can understand way more than I thought I would. Seriously motivating to study it more.

  • @thadtuiol1717
    @thadtuiol1717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    You say you're American, but your face is so Italian!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Hehe thank you! :D My father's parents were from Italy, so I look approximately 50% Italian I think. I appreciate the comment! Thanks for subscribing.

    • @thadtuiol1717
      @thadtuiol1717 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I knew it! I've lived in 7 different European countries and am fairly attuned to European phenotypes. In Italy you would blend in perfectly

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Haha grazie! Actually the Italians usually thought I might be French or Swiss, also because my accent in Italian isn't distinctly American (though still foreign).

    • @iberius9937
      @iberius9937 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You have a striking resemblance to a very good friend of mine, sir. He as of Spanish/Cuban heritage but also has a phenotype that is finely attuned to a Roman or Italian. Very alpinized Atlanto-Med.

    • @tudormardare66
      @tudormardare66 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus Es similior Heluetis, sed adhunc potest quiddus dicere te Italus Septentrionis esse. Itali diversissimi inter ipsis in aspecto sunt, quoque Hispani, Dacoromanique, quod omnes populi antiqui Maris Nostri inter Septentrionales cum oculis viridibus caerulissimisque, quoque cum pelle alba, et Meridionales cum pelle maroniore, oculis saepe tenebrioribus extabant. In fine: medium idealis inter has regiones.
      Semi-latinus, semi-germanus, potis et pauco celtus.

  • @jmgguinea
    @jmgguinea 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tu canal de TH-cam es un feliz descubrimiento para mí. Estudie Latín en la escuela secundaria y me fascinaba, aunque el método gramatica-traduccion resultaba frustrante. Muchos años después, aquí estoy redescubriendo esta lengua maravillosa gracias a tus excelentes dotes de comunicador (sí, un español aprendiendo Latín de un "bárbaro"). Muchas gracias por esta labor impagable.

  • @carlnikolov
    @carlnikolov 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Luke! Thanks for your videos. I always watch your videos, I have seen almost all of them! Hahahae!

  • @GumSkyloard
    @GumSkyloard 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Never expected to see a Latin Vlog, but hey, not complaining!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are many on this channel

  • @plakette26
    @plakette26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When I watched your first video (and a couple more) I thought you were Italien! I would have NEVER EVER expected you to be American, cause your pronunciation is so perfect and open!! I'm no linguistic expert but: you can be proud of yourself! I am proud of you 👏👏👏

  • @remedyisrael705
    @remedyisrael705 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It seems like you were trying to mess up but your out of this world Latin speaking ability was getting in the way of you trying to make us feel better but we see what you were trying to show us 😂❤

  • @sabrinaimbrogno7932
    @sabrinaimbrogno7932 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sei fantastico! Ed anche divertente!
    (I was cracking up!)
    Grazie mille per questo canale. 💝

  • @valeriusdacius2123
    @valeriusdacius2123 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Perbelle loqueris, vitia humana sunt!

  • @TheManzanita09
    @TheManzanita09 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I just discovered this channel and I think you are really funny además, encuentro muy interesante lo que haces.

  • @willowwedemeyer5152
    @willowwedemeyer5152 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Iucundissime maxime mones, Luci! Ego quoque nimis Americanice loquor, sed multum pejus.
    Aliquantulum delictorum iam mihi notum erat, sed gratias plurimas tibi, quod aures aperis! Mihi autem valde exercendum est, ut ne resurdesceam. ;)

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Gratias pro comentario tuo! Paene eundem sonum Americanum habeo in lingua Italica. His diebus strenue me exerceo in hoc sono exstirpando. :D

  • @bonniebrown1566
    @bonniebrown1566 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know this video is old, but I just wanted to say this was encouraging and funny! It’s so hard as an American to get those vowels right. And as a TEXAN, who can manage to inadvertently transition through pretty much ALL vowel sounds just trying to say the letter “a”, this was especially entertaining. 🙈😆

  • @g.v.3493
    @g.v.3493 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sic domine! Gratias tibi ago. Vere me multum iudet.

  • @ogorangeduck
    @ogorangeduck 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A knowledge of Mandarin helps somewhat with not aspirating stops, but since I speak in English much much more frequently, I still make mistakes (specifically 'pulcher')
    Great video!

  • @nettuno891
    @nettuno891 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sei un grande, bravissimo!

  • @taylorgibb174
    @taylorgibb174 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    I've watched a few videos of you speaking latin but I never noticed you having an american accent. As a german speaker I myself have the most trouble with not adding aspiration to the initial unvoiced plosive (which can be a problem in many languages, not only in latin). It's great to see how much effort you put into thinking about your pronunciation, but don't be too hard on yourself.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Danke! Very nice of you to say. 🤠

    • @tereseshaw7650
      @tereseshaw7650 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScorpioMartianus I learned the plosive in Ancient Greek class. We did it, but we Americans were dubious.

  • @lucamaestrini8696
    @lucamaestrini8696 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oltre ad essere colto e estremamente simpatico nonché autoironico sei un gran bel pezzo d'omo!

  • @steamfunk19
    @steamfunk19 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a french native speaker the latin plosive sounds are easy to pronounce ! On the contrary, when I speak english I tend to pronounce those consonants too smoothly without the breathing /h/ following them...

  • @hubert1990s
    @hubert1990s 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I discovered your channel recently. I do not speak Latin (yet :) ), but I extremely enjoy it, really :)

  • @CarLostis
    @CarLostis 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    In my native Spanish, we have this errors in pronunciation also, for example, some r’s we pronounce as “middle” or “long” r’s, like scorpio, has a single r, but we pronounce it like Scorrpio(middle), and in Marrrtianus the r is rolled more, I guess it is more natural for the tongue to say it that way, the Italians pronounce roma with a single r, and in Spanish, all words that begin with an r, are pronounced with the rolled r, in Spanish, Rrroma and in italian Roma.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Actually, you are correct in your pronunciation! The single 'r' only happens between vowels in Latin and Italian; it is doubled elsewhere, even when written single. Stay with your Spanish convention! If it differs at all with the Italian, that's probably fine; I'm sure the Spanish convention of 'r' was an acceptable variant in Roman times. I made a video about it here: th-cam.com/video/5dIdZTXxpdg/w-d-xo.html
      Thanks for your comment!

    • @joselugo4536
      @joselugo4536 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Puerto Rico it depends on the individual, some pronounce rs as the hebrews do. No Puerto Rican pronounce perro as pelo.

    • @uplbdevcom
      @uplbdevcom ปีที่แล้ว

      As an Italian native speaker I find that your effort in pronouncing long and open vowels is sometimes innnatural, but you probably just do it for didactical purposes

  • @marinalypirou-bali7315
    @marinalypirou-bali7315 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Έχετε μα πόσο δίκιο! Είστε φανταστικός, το ίδιο πάθαινα όταν δίδασκα Γερμανό ελληνικά

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Χαχα ναι, μάλιστα! Έχουμε πάντες χαρακτηριστικά των διαλέκτων μας.

    • @marinalypirou-bali7315
      @marinalypirou-bali7315 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScorpioMartianus Μία ερώτηση μονάχα κύριε καθηγητά, γιατι cujus κ οχι cuius; ως ήχος αποδίδεται το ίδιο κ στους 2 τυπους, αλλά παρατήρησα πως στα κείμενα Ρωμαϊκής περιόδου αποδίδεται ο 1ος τύπος ενώ ο 2ος σε κείμενα Μεσαίωνα. Εσεις πότερον διάλλεκτον μιλάτε;

  • @joachimbramson1991
    @joachimbramson1991 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    thanks for the clarifications. that's pretty much what I understood from Wheelock's lating for beginners. I wish I could roll the 'r' better. this language sounds much better than I would've anticipated. When I was younger all I would hear of latin what the church pronounciation and I never liked it. Apart from the 'r', I also have issues of my own, pronounciating the words from my native French tongue. The 'u' of Latin is equal to the 'ou' of French but I keep pronouncing it like the French u, or /y/.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Merci! Ah, oui, les grecs avaient le mème problème, since the omicron-upsilon ου = [u:] in Koine Greek, the same Greek around the time of of the Romans. Wheelock is one of the worst books I've ever encountered, if you don't mind my blunt opinion. :D The pronunciation guide in particular is lousy and damaging.

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Le y en Latin se prononce comme le u en français, donc Aegyptus = aie - guppe - tousse

  • @siwanthaawikrema8738
    @siwanthaawikrema8738 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks you are explaining well

  • @abdulhakimsaid9264
    @abdulhakimsaid9264 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Salve et vale domine Lucius(americanus,mihi multum placet suam dictionem!!!Restitutio suam est in integrum!Gratias ago!!!(Repetitio est mater studiorum!/Multum mihi gaudeo vos vedere et audire!!!/ Продължавай отличен си!!!)

  • @inespoliglota
    @inespoliglota 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When someone outpaces my nerdiness. At quite a fast pace :D

  • @thegreatbatsgy7018
    @thegreatbatsgy7018 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Youre so cute!! I do this when i speak spanish too...weirdly enough im good with the double r's...its the double/triple vowels that get me the most and the vowels with inflection at the beginning of words next to words with vowels at the end.
    I love the "gua" words. At least in the part of mexico i learned its pronounced "WAacamole" (guacamole) or might as be spelled "Huacamole".
    I really love y's with vowels too. "La playa" can have part of the ñ (nia versus jia like youd try to pronounce in english) sound in it (or not, ive heard it both ways there).

  • @nononobyeeee
    @nononobyeeee 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks for your language :)
    It is so fun

  • @Marianofrv
    @Marianofrv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lucius, etiam magister errare potest

  • @plakette26
    @plakette26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    NOW I know why I love your videos so much. Because as a girl from East Germany we have difficulties with open vowels, too 😅 (Most of the time I speak "hochdeutsch" but it's soooo hard to speak especially o and a 🙁🙄). Nevertheless, I am so used to you speaking Latin, and I adore your voice. With or without this small mispronounciations 💕💕💕

    • @tictacmaniac7415
      @tictacmaniac7415 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same here, Hochdeutsch :/
      But at least we’ve absolutely got the u sound down, hehehehehe

    • @plakette26
      @plakette26 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tictacmaniac7415 haha welcome 🤗 But I have to confess, I have to train the U also 😅

  • @markisback
    @markisback 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Americanus with better prononciation than Latin teachers in France. Fun and
    Learning Latin since novembre 2021, thanks Lukius.

  • @igorfray
    @igorfray 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There's a song in brazilian portuguese called "Errare humanum est" and he say this latin phrase with a bad Brazilian accent, it make sense considering the meaning of the phrase!😂😂

  • @barrigudo00
    @barrigudo00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Muito engraçado e interessante.

  • @Brandon55638
    @Brandon55638 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tam joculāris es!😂😂😂

  • @Apaurie
    @Apaurie 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I like the part: "i am an american" and me: im glad no to be it, cause of mother tongue i don't have these problems with the vowels xD
    The rolled "R" = ppffffff can't pronounce them properly. After all, that's not a problem, im a barbarian so im not supposed to know every subtles of the language xD
    Good job man !

  • @gainmelk
    @gainmelk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Luca - homo universalis es! Avem gubernator, linguarum peritus, auctor et cantor! Euge!

  • @plakette26
    @plakette26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Watching this with mit cat lying next to me, snoring. You trying the "cat.... Hhhhhccccat... " instant head tilt from my cat and staring at you 😂😂 You are a cat whisperer 😁🐱

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haha I am! I love chatting with cats. I get them haha

    • @plakette26
      @plakette26 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus indeed 💕 My cat watches your videos as hypnotized and excited as me 😻😍👏👏👏

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Aw that’s so cute 😻

  • @Wadokujin
    @Wadokujin ปีที่แล้ว

    Grahtsee! :)

  • @truthterrain3484
    @truthterrain3484 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I learn from you BECAUSE you are an English speaker. You made the effort and had to bother about perfection and details way more than Italians or Spanish.

  • @aiocafea
    @aiocafea 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    old video but i just wanted to say this video is brilliant and it can be so *hard* to admit even minute faults after studying a language for several long years, especially if you did it in a formal setting or commented on its phonology (or other aspects)
    for many years i had been so drunk with the idea that i need to sound indistinguishable to a native-english speaker *all the time* and in all circumstances that i took all criticism personally, and all inaccuracies as moral failings
    phonetics and language-learning can be extremely fun!! it is however extremely easy to consume yourself in search for the *perfect* pronunciation or fall into pitfalls of pride, and the first step to get back onto the horse is realising that if you want to be more knowledgeable in anything, you have to accept that you will always continue to be a language learner, and it's normal to make mistakes

  • @igormarilhanofernandes8432
    @igormarilhanofernandes8432 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That "American latin" pronuntiation remembers me of the American priests who say latin masses always terribly pronuntiated.

  • @Aditya-te7oo
    @Aditya-te7oo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pronunciation wise I don't have those problems, 'cause my native language (Bangla or Bengali) has both the unaspirated and the aspirated consonants, i.e. c/k/q, ch, p, ph, t and th. It also has both the dental T and D sounds.

  • @astherthemetalhead3000
    @astherthemetalhead3000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Even the Magister makes Mistakes. Gratiam

  • @g.v.6450
    @g.v.6450 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for cutting the American accent short! Speaking Latin (or Ancient Greek, for that matter) like that is against the Geneva Convention!

  • @AuthLing
    @AuthLing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for your channels, they are fantastic!
    Some new sources like Cser 2020 describe /l/ as dark L in most positions, except for geminated /ll/ and followed by "i".
    Do you think that this may be right? Then your American dark L would sound like authentic Classical Latin.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It seems to be correct for pre-Classical Latin, but it seems to be an innovative phenomenon outside of Italy in Hispania and Gallia after Classical Latin, and in different environments

    • @AuthLing
      @AuthLing 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ScorpioMartianus Thank you for the answer!
      Who are the most competent modern latinists? I am only familiar with works of Cser, Calabrese and Allen.

  • @user-hp3ow6fv1m
    @user-hp3ow6fv1m 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hello I want to ask how can we say : "only for loved ones" in Latin

  • @FarfettilLejl
    @FarfettilLejl 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Imagine showing this video to an ancient Roman. They'd be like WTF?! :D

  • @guillermorivas7819
    @guillermorivas7819 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mis vicios pronunciando en Latin. No lo se todo pero lo hablo muy bien.

  • @justamusician7846
    @justamusician7846 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sālve, Lucie !! Ego Carolus sum, puer peruani. Sicut scitis, ego Linguam Hispanicam loquo, et phoneticae Linguae Latinae facilem per Hispanophonis. Sed, gratias tibi ago pro videi tuii. I am not sure if I wrote this text properly. As you know, there aren't any good Latin translators, so, I wrote it by myself. 😊

  • @alicarbajobrisam2309
    @alicarbajobrisam2309 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a spanish speaker, I really find these phonetics easy to pronounce

  • @PeterSipes
    @PeterSipes 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    interdum in schola discipulis fabulas legens pulchre linguam pronuntio pausamque facio et mihi voce interiori dico "bene factum'st." generaliter multi lapsus sunt mihi latine loquenti.

  • @frexelsio6786
    @frexelsio6786 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    After Italians, French speakers can also easily pronounce all these letters Luke ! :)

  • @Leoptxr
    @Leoptxr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Your short I and U point brought up something that has been kinda bugging me for a while. I recently found out that, at least as far as the work of Sidney Allen, which is my go to reference for Latin pronunciation, short I and U had indeed a different quality from long U and I as do short O and E from their long counterparts. These qualities being exactly [ɪ] and [ʊ] for short I and U respectively (actually Allen proposes [ɨ] and [ʉ], but [ɪ] and [ʊ] are close enough). Nam, qui opinaris, o dilectissime gurus meus?

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Hi, Leonardo! :) I cover this in my videos on the Calabrese system, which is what I now use:
      th-cam.com/video/RhqQzMORWVk/w-d-xo.html
      th-cam.com/video/eH8E5RKq31I/w-d-xo.html
      Simply, Sidney Allen was mistaken. Andrea Calabrese's evidence is extremely difficult to refute.

    • @RexGalilae
      @RexGalilae 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, it was also a documented stereotype that the African and Sardinian provincials didn't know the difference lol, proving that such a difference existed in the first place

    • @servantofaeie1569
      @servantofaeie1569 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think its just [i] [iː] [u] [uː]

  • @Max-te2gy
    @Max-te2gy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there an actual difference between unaspirated t and regular d? Same for c/k and g, p and b? Technically the latter sounds should be voiced as opposed to the previous ones, but I can't seem to pronounce unanspirated unvoiced t with a discernible difference to d.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup! Although English and German speakers can’t easily tell the difference, these are completely different phonemes. You’ll get the hang of it! Listen to lots of Spanish or Italian or Russian and you’ll be able to learn how to do it eventually 😊

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The following exercise has been proposed for Anglophones needing to unlearn aspiration: hold a small open flame (e.g. candle) in front of your mouth, at about an inch or two. Say cat, cup, pet etc. The flame should not move!
      BTW: for learners whose native language does not aspirate in these contexts, it is fairly straightforward to learn, but difficult to remember to do it consistently.

  • @albarylaibida1214
    @albarylaibida1214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't believe that you are american! You definetely have no accent. I can say this because I speak portuguese and your pronunciation, especially the 'r' sound, is so perfect. Congrartulations, man!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Obrigado! 🥰

    • @albarylaibida1214
      @albarylaibida1214 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus By the way, do you teach Latin online? I got interested.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes! www.AncientLanguage.com

  • @weirdlanguageguy
    @weirdlanguageguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I have been trying for ages to pronounce the unaspirated plosives and I can't figure it out. Do you have any advice?

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I do! So, for an English or Arabic speaker, the voices consonants g d b are not aspirated, just voiced. So the trick is to say g d b, but without using your vocal chords.
      And we don’t use our vocal chords when we whisper! So if you whisper “give,” “bed” etc, you’ll be saying exactly the right sound. Then all you have to do is selectively turn your vocal chords back on after the enunciation of a whispered d, and you get t, etc. It takes some practice, but you’ll get it! It also helps to listen to lots of a language which doesn’t have aspirated k t p, like Greek and most forms of Italian.

    • @weirdlanguageguy
      @weirdlanguageguy 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus Thank you!

    • @iberius9937
      @iberius9937 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScorpioMartianus Interesting that you should say "most" forms of Italian, as I've actually heard them aspirate the C sound.

  • @LordTankian0
    @LordTankian0 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Au"-Owen Wilson

  • @CeWagnoun
    @CeWagnoun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Luke I really like your videos! I just wanted to say, anyway, that most scholars think classical latin had a double /l/ sound: the first one, as you said, the "Italian" one, the second one, like the american one, [ł] (velarized) close to velar vowels or consonants (this feature transformed "velo" from "velle" into "volo").
    The same about the vowels: short vowels were probably more open, so short /i/ and /u/ were most probably [ɪ] and [ʊ].
    Saluti dall'Italia!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks! As for the velarized L, my research has shown that this was localized to the Ibero-French branch of Latin, but has no basis in Classical Latin pronunciation at all. What the ancient Romans describe for LL is exactly as you do in Italian: the tongue is pressed against the palate, producing a palatalized sound.
      As for short i and u, watch my video on tbt Calabrese Pronunciation. Le brevi suonavano in qualità uguali alle lunghe.

    • @CeWagnoun
      @CeWagnoun 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScorpioMartianus Lo farò con piacere! Thanks for your clarification: I'd be curious to read something about that! As for what I mentioned, I show you this paper from Luciano Canepari (I don't always agree with his methods, but he is considered among the best phoneticians in Italy). canipa.net/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=en:latin_pronunciation.pdf
      Un abbraccio e continua a farci appassionare con i tuoi video! :-)

    • @antoniofuentes6523
      @antoniofuentes6523 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      What about Priscian saying
      "l" triplicem ... sonum habet: exilem,
      quando geminatur secundo loco posita, ut "ille",
      "Metellus"; plenum, quando finit nomina vel sylla-
      bas et quando aliquam habet ante se in eadem
      syllaba consonantem, ut "sol", "silva", "flavus", "clarus";
      medium in aliis, ut "lectum", "lectus".

    • @madhobidas4123
      @madhobidas4123 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@ScorpioMartianus Is the Classical Latin L sound a dental L sound ?

  • @a_sterling4514
    @a_sterling4514 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It's too bad I can't get those 'r's. I feel like I can manage the vowels with practice but I have never been able to roll my 'r'. I can get a trill so I can say 'ero' (in theory) but I'll never be able to say 'erro' as far as I can tell. I've been practicing that sound for years and have never done it.

  • @DarkMagicaian
    @DarkMagicaian ปีที่แล้ว

  • @peterbrown7688
    @peterbrown7688 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Valde mihi placet camisia tua.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Gratias! :D Si vis, potes habere etiam tuam! teespring.com/stores/scorpiomartianus

  • @danielfetz589
    @danielfetz589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gratias propter tu latine loqueris! Priusquam Amicus mihi te excoperire fecisset, numquam cogitassem aliquem latine apud internet loqui velle... et quanta passione! Te admiror sed a te etiam quaero: nonne est paulum triste se dedicare de latina lingua nec facere aliquid societati "utilius"? Quomodocumque certus sum te negotium quoque habere (fortasse latinam linguam docere in schola?), atque te admiror.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Grātiās! Sed quid inūtilitātis?! 🤣 Num spernis artem pingendī? Canendī clāvicordiō? Vae!

    • @danielfetz589
      @danielfetz589 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ScorpioMartianus non, certe! Sed incredibilis est mihi homo qui cupiditate latine loquitur! Admitto me quoque ipsam passionem habere! In omni causa tibi auguro bonam prosecutionem.

  • @jacopoevangelista7658
    @jacopoevangelista7658 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Te cognovi per Ecolingistis canalem, primum te audivi vidique in idiomaton latinorum comprehensionis experimento. Italus vocem latinam (graecamque) discens in superiore schola sum ac latinum dicere conans qua de causa repente me canali tuo subscripsi.
    Optime loqueris latine, minimae sunt tuae imperfectiones pronuntiationis, nullae syntaxeos.
    Tibi ago gratias et tibi tuoque labore gratulor.

  • @roncoleman7504
    @roncoleman7504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are my favorite American Roman ^_^

  • @ndcensurado6298
    @ndcensurado6298 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was expecting him to say that he is a devotee of Dionysus and toasted a lot.

  • @karlpoppins
    @karlpoppins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm curious as to why the Wikipedia section on Latin phonology seems to claim that short vowels have different qualities than long vowels: "[...] each vowel had short and long versions: /a ɛ ɪ ɔ ʊ/ and /aː eː iː oː uː/". Ironically, these short sounds are the same vowels you would be tempted to make as native American English speaker. Is this really true? Because I was really surprised to see this; I expected that the vowels of Latin are identical to those of Spanish, Modern Greek, etc, just with phonemic length.

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wikipedia’s transcriptions are based on Sydney Allen’s work which is out of date. You are correct.

    • @karlpoppins
      @karlpoppins 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus That makes sense! As a native speaker of Modern Greek it makes me happier that vowel qualities don't change - other than the nasals :)

  • @user-zk1lj5ej3m
    @user-zk1lj5ej3m 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Брат не парься, всем давно понятно что у тебя лучшее произношение в youtube. Ты реинкарнация какого то римлянина

  • @rationaltrekker2509
    @rationaltrekker2509 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    British "L" - at least ( in some regions) is light like the Italian and Castilian pronunciation. Listen to "The Logical Song" by the UK group "Supertramp." The /l/ sound is repeated throughout the song and aways very lightly - lingua-dentally. I too American (Southern California), but I have spoken Spanish for for so many years - Castilian Spanish - and I have had British and Canadian influences on my English throughout my life - that some of my sounds in English are not at all typical of my region. I have also had German and Russian / Church Slavonic. Many of my sounds, like /l/ and /o/ come out more British, at least in in some contexts. I tend to be aware just because of the several languages I have learned to some degree, and others to which I have been exposed. Phonetics is something I'm attuned to. At the same time, I AM American and I am hard of hearing nowadays so accurately hearing and reproducing some sounds escapes me.

  • @swearike304
    @swearike304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sigismund: Ego sum imperator Romanorum et supra grammaticam!
    Aliqui: Cæsar non est supra grammaticos, nemo est supra grammaticos!

  • @lorde_dimoria362
    @lorde_dimoria362 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Im a native brasilian portuguese speaker and i also have some trouble sometimes speaking that last a sound, mainly when im speaking more naturaly huaahuahauaa

  • @christosmpourazanis9284
    @christosmpourazanis9284 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well you struggle to pronounce latin as an English speaker(but nonetheless your Latin accent is almost perfect!!) but i from the other hand as a greek i pronounce easily Latin but I'm struggling with English pronunciation sometimes 😂😭

    • @Vitorruy1
      @Vitorruy1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      we all have a cross to carry as the saying goes.

  • @nurmihusa7780
    @nurmihusa7780 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A proper mea culpa! Hahaha. I find when I try to speak Latin I have a slight Finnish accent because you live and die in Finnish depending on your command of short and long vowels. I struggled to perfect them when learning to babble to cousins. When I speak Finnish, however, I suspect I may have a Latin accent. A fearful symmetry in that. Finnish broadcasting used to do the news in Latin. Perhaps they still do?

    • @jussibusy
      @jussibusy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Voin toimia Suomen-serkkuna ja kertoa suru-uutisen: "Nuntii latini" on lopetettu viime vuonna yle.fi/aihe/artikkeli/2013/05/24/nuntii-latini

    • @nurmihusa7780
      @nurmihusa7780 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jussibusy Voi voi voi. Muistan Nuntii Latinii kun olin suomessa 30 vuoden sitten. (Google translate says I should’ve said vuotta. I am amazed that was the only mistake I made!)

  • @ViiKa99
    @ViiKa99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Portuguese is a language with closed sounds too. Our pronunciation sounds like yours.

  • @gabrielgerolamo2884
    @gabrielgerolamo2884 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    At 2 minutes and 35 seconds the upper right hand corner of the screen reads ‘i’ = [u], but should it have been ‘v’/‘u’ = [u]?

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Indeed

    • @gabrielgerolamo2884
      @gabrielgerolamo2884 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ScorpioMartianus In any case, I admire your videos very much. Please keep up the good work.

  • @xrayfull466
    @xrayfull466 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    4:43 sounds like a villager

  • @cahallo5964
    @cahallo5964 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Reading latin is really easy and so is speaking it the issue is I have no clue what I am even saying (I am a native Spanish speaker so I am basically cheating I had to learn like 2 things, c always strong and using the weird spanish s which we don't use here)
    edit: vowel lenght I guess it's tricky sometimes

  • @IoannesOculus
    @IoannesOculus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Me desidero loqui tam bene quam tu! :)

  • @sahinoudiengo816
    @sahinoudiengo816 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    They say what "adultus" man can not speak foreign language with really good "pronuntiatione". Lucius, mihi placet! You spoiled these stereotypes. I love your pronunciation!
    Or...
    Did you get help of your Italian when you had been making your "bonus" Latin pronunciation?

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very nice of you! I draw on my familiarity with many languages, like Italian and Japanese

  • @bertilow
    @bertilow 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Barbarismus maximus!!! :)

  • @ryandupuis2031
    @ryandupuis2031 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    valde placet, amice! Praecipue de "Cat" :D

  • @solemnpenance8134
    @solemnpenance8134 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never had much trouble with latin vowels as a spanish speaker :D
    So yeah for me it was weird how they taught stuff in school like i being the i in "fit" and ī being ee. American latin is weird lmao

  • @highgroundproductions8590
    @highgroundproductions8590 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This man is so funny

  • @translipcorsia
    @translipcorsia 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Don't be too harsh on yourself. Great channel nonetheless!

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks very kindly! :D Well, one of my greatest passions in foreign language is phonetics, and many people who follow my channel look to me for pronunciation. The most important part about Latin pronunciation is maintaining short and long syllable quantity consistently and accurately, as in Japanese or Finnish, which is difficult for most people who speak Latin. While I do this fairly well, there are characteristics of my phonemes that have Anglophone tendencies. But I am working on it! :)

  • @cmyk8964
    @cmyk8964 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you know Finnish or Japanese, _pronouncing_ vowel length distinction would be easier than if you didn’t.

  • @mannyspace
    @mannyspace 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you pronounce Aequitas?

    • @ScorpioMartianus
      @ScorpioMartianus  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      [ae̯kᶣitaːs̠] in the International Phonetic Alphabet

  • @feanorofsunspear2320
    @feanorofsunspear2320 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    eh?