Retatardicia es loi keq tei paizuh, par mijoniz di aniz el humbre varonil blancus escondidus nustro idiomi piro nustra furza numaz a crecende eztua le origini de lenguaje qui azido pachado purla buca de cadai varonil kei en esperetus estara presentus kendo nuztra jente vuelva e reignar y pasar vajo un nevo rex pacha todi le planeka
The only problem is the r pronouncation and the s. The s is said to be as k. And for the r. You can tell a Romance language is not his mother tongue so the r is heighten.
I just came here from a recitation of odyseia in homeric greek it is just amazing me this stuff was once the purview of a very small class of people now I can hear a considerately reconstructed aeneid whenever little I want to, just amazing. Thanks!
There’s a lot of good things here, like the nasalization, ellision, and even the circumflex accent in words like “prīmus”. The biggest thing is that ō was probably raised from short o, more like the o in “go” but monophthongized. Also, l’s in most environments other than before “i” was l-pinguis like in “law”. Also, this is a less definite feature but since ellision occurs, Latin probably did not use the glottal stop, so a sequence of two i’s was probably realized with an approximant in between like “ih-yee”. Otherwise, the fact that this recording even exists is great.
could you point me to a comprehensive pronunciation guide that outlines everything you're talking about here? I'm currently working through Wheelock's 6th ed. which is greatly simplified. But I have studied IPA and would like to take a more detailed approach.
Jack Ray Just FYI, some of the stuff in Vox Latina is somewhat controversial. Not saying not to read it, but the use of [ɪ] and [ʊ] as short [iː] [uː] is not totally accepted.
I’m taking Latin 1 this year. I’ve had a total of 2 shortened classes (half days) and I’m absolutely obsessed with it. It’s fascinating on so many levels, and I hope to one day reach this level of proficiency. Thank you for making this!
i put this on in the background when im studying and having listened to it (subliminally?) many, many times i really think it has helped a lot with my accent and the flow of the language. thank you so much for making this available! it can be hard to find latin audio.
The year 2021 is nearly over. To escape modernity I have begun studying allegedly dead languages. Now, having searched YT for "Latin audiobook," I am delighted to discover this recording and somewhat surprised at the number of people who have apparently also chosen to revive this exquisite ancestor of so many modern languages.
I was looking for something like this. I am taking an introductory class on the Romans and my professor speaks and reads Latin like this. We are reading the translation of this novel but I find myself captivated by the language. I could listen to it for ages.
I'm glad it served you well, and much thanks for the subscription. I plan to finish the Aeneid and also branch out into some other stuff, both classical and mediaeval.
can you continue to publish the remaining books of the Aeneid? Please, Virgil is my favorite Latin poet in fact I'm reading The Aeneid and I just finished the eighth book, I'm passionate about the Latin language and culture and your pronunciation is sensational! 🥺❤
This is perhaps the closest rendition of restored pronunciation, I have listened to others, especially native Italians or Greeks trying to do renditions of ancient languages and they seem to shorten the vowel quality or the syllables the way the current languages are. Its like listening to a Latino or Russian speaking English, they rush through the syllables shorting vowels or lateral and nasal finals. This is great, because its pronounced by a speaker whose native language has more similar lengths of syllables to the latin.
@@MenelmacarLG What is your mother tongue? And would you please make more recitations and put them up for sale! :) Chris is correct; you have the best pronunciation!
@@MatW1lson I'm an American, but I try to hide my native accent when I speak another language. Thank you for your praise and your interest. I am working on another big project now. It will hopefully be available pretty soon.
@@MenelmacarLGHow’s the progress so far? I commented on Christmas Eve 2022 and it’s now June 13th 2023. Just start publishing small stuff. You can refine later. I would like to hear you recite all of Vergil’s poems like Georgics and Eclogues. You and Daniel Pettersson have the best classical Latin voices. I do believe that eventually there will be a wave of market demand in people wanting to learn Latin... Within 5-10 years. Right now though... there is not much of a market but there will be. I’m also from the USA btw (Ohio).
Thanks a bunch, I’ve been looking for a longer text to listen to for quite some time. And I’d pay $$$ to know how an ancient Roman would rate our attempts to restore pronunciation. ;)
@@annterashita1770 Not as close as Ecclesiastical Latin does (which is more like medieval Latin which is (at least) as removed from original Latin as medieval English is from ours).
This is brilliant! Beautiful and very impressive!! A few suggestions to make subsequent recordings even better: 1) pause a bit when there’s a comma or period, or at the end of a grammatical chunk to make it easier for the reader to understand. 2) try to match your intonation to the meaning...for example, in line 11, it’s a question, but you don’t really read it like a question. 3) maintain the natural word stress/accent of each word...sometimes it sounds like you’re stressing the wrong syllable in order to make a long vowel long: cano, Troiae, iram, urbem, patres, etc. I know that there are some who disregard the natural stress in poetry, so I guess it’s a matter of taste, but I find it much nicer when there’s both the meter AND and the normal stress.
@@Thelaretus Thanks! I have read that article and am aware of the different approaches. I listened to the recording many times and based my comments on that, but it’s not a big deal at all, and I can certainly be wrong. I listened to the reading of Book 2, and it’s excellent. The accents seemed to me, with rare exceptions, to be perfectly fine.
@@MenelmacarLG Thank YOU for all the work you’ve put into this project. It’s wonderful! I have listened to some of your Book 2 as well and it’s great. It seems that you’re paying a lot more attention there to the meaning of each sentence or phrase, which makes it much more pleasant to listen to. I am very sorry for some of the brutal comments some people have left. I hope that doesn’t discourage you. I’m working on little videos of Catullus poems, and sometimes the “feedback” is quite harsh! A good exercise in Stoicism :)
It is too much performance, trying for perfection of which we know little; I feel I will deliver a recitation based more on the dactylic hexameters than rolling r’s (aristocratic speech) we know this was another language from the commons meant to elevate the Latin language. I was a Bronx boy who thirsted for Homer & Virgil. My first encounter as a high school student was at Bronx Community College & Fordham College where I first read the Loeb Library of Classical Latin & Greek. That is 50 years ago. I still have a copy of Catullus always at hand. Also Amo, Amas, Amat & More by by Eugene Ehrlich (Introduction by William F. Buckley) cites many incorrect pronunciation. The stresses are not falling in poetical place here. Give me a chance for an honest hearing of an amateur. It is not curriculum vitae (it should sound like kuu-RIH-kuu-luum WEE-ti). Well long vowel weetay. I will welcome your honest opinion in any case. I have waited years to do this. I don’t think I should do so terrible; this is not only an academic pursuit.
There was an old Latin textbook my junior high used in the early 1960's - it was beginner level but was based on the Aeneid. Does anyone know title and author ?
I have been listening to this video from time to time since 2019. I really love your pronunciation, Especially your long and nasalized vowels and r's. Who are you, magister, habesne to Instagramma , Telegramma, Librum Faciei? Quid est nomen tibi?
Grātiās tibi agō for your kind words. I'll get book 3 out one of these days, and eventually the whole poem. As for myself, I try to keep him away from this channel if I can help it.
Grātiās prō laude tuā. Velim, et habeō prōpositum ut cēterōs faciam librōs, sed tam negōtiōsus sum nunc temporis ut nesciam quandō... Sed tandem! Volō.
@@MenelmacarLG Hi there, there are two options: (1) Edit the video here and change the licence to "Creative Commons cc-by" (Edit video » Video details » More options » Licence panel) - this is easiest, we will do the rest. (2) Upload the video to Wiki Commons. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (this is a bit more fiddly).
@@joaocabral3541 That's the idea. Americans and British and Germans and such STRIP Latin and Ancient Greek of their Mediterranean flavor with their bad pronunciations and accents.
it's imprtant to mini pause between words to make it sounds more natural. great work btw. "just the other day, (*pause*) Bob told me he went to 7/11 (*pause*) to grab a pack of beer. (*pause*) "
if CYDONIA on MARS is something that's covered up, how did these MARTIANS talk with Each Other? For the ROMANS always claimed ancestry from FATHER MARS.
@@MenelmacarLG Hello. Thank to you ! I think you recite extremely well, I even like listening so much that I am able to recite the beginning 😭 congrats from France
It is Classical Latin. Ecclesiastical Latin is much the same language, but pronounced quite differently. The sounds of Eccl. Latin begin to approach what we hear in modern day Italian, and something like it might have been similar to the speech of the common people of Ancient Rome.
@@TheEuphrosyne1216 for example the v in Ecc. sounds like a normal /v/ like in Italian, but in Classical Latin it's a /w/. Classical Latin is technically correct, but either pronunciation is fine.
I know next to nothing about latin, grammar or languages and I don't know why I'm here, listening to the aeneid in, apparently, a near perfect restoration of classical Latin but it sounds cool👍 keep it up and good luck to the people learning this weird language
Estne Luke Ranieri? Sounds like his beautiful lilts especially in certain poetic parts. And of course the rest of the amazing he has which perfects lingua Latina.
@@MenelmacarLG grātiās beyond words. Your audiobooks are the only ones I've found on YT worth listening to repeatedly (for classical latin) and you've done an incredible job at learning from Luke and all your other sources. If I could donate I would - perhaps you could put an option on your links for people to give :) or maybe option to buy offline version to keep? I appreciate all your time and care. You and Luke are exceptional 🙏❤️
Thank you. I doubt it will be any time soon, but I do plan to finish this. I'm not very happy with it, though, and will post the next book when my Latin is up to par. I'll think about doing 12 next, though, since you've requested it.
Bueno soy hablante nativo de español y se entiende bastante...bueno tengo la ventaja de saber muchos sinónimos en castellano mínimo 2 por palabras entonces me.resulta un poco las fácil captar algunas palabras y frases del latín
The lines will be metrical by default even in a casual reading. Metre isn't something imposed on the verbs. But yes, it is a bit monotone and strained.
I don’t what I was trying to say with that second sentence lol. By the way, I had a thought after learning more about the phonetics of Latin: you sound like an Ancient Greek who’s learnt Latin but kept a bit of an accent! Which is very classical indeed. Two pieces of evidence: 1. you pronounce long vowels as open instead of closed like the long vowels in ancient varieties of Greek, 2. you sound almost like you’re using a pitch accent, and like Greek, you pay attention more to the poetic meter for intonation than individual stresses of words. This is not a criticism though! I just think it’s interesting
While this is good, especially in comparison to other 'spoken Latin' on TH-cam, it sounds quite artificial to me for over-emphasising features like vowel length, nasalisation etc. This is what a lot of my fellow classicists do, so I still give you high kudos for this version, but keep in mind that there's vowel length in English too and the difference really isn't a lot. Nevertheless, keep going!
Thank you much. The nasal vowels occur in two places: firstly, at the end of words that end in M (jam, puellam, quem, &c.), and secondly, in words where an N precedes an S or F (īnfāns).
Arma virumque canō, Trōiae quī prīmus ab ōrīs Ītaliam, fātō profugus, Lāvīniaque vēnit lītora, multum ille et terrīs iactātus et altō vī superum saevae memorem Iūnōnis ob īram; multa quoque et bellō passus, dum conderet urbem, inferretque deōs Latiō, genus unde Latīnum, Albānīque patrēs, atque altae moenia Rōmae. Mūsa, mihī causās memorā, quō nūmine laesō, quidve dolēns, rēgīna deum tot volvere cāsūs īnsīgnem pietāte virum, tot adīre labōrēs impulerit. Tantaene animīs caelestibus īrae? Urbs antīqua fuit, Tyriī tenuēre colōnī, Karthāgō, Ītaliam contrā Tiberīnaque longē ōstia, dīves opum studiīsque asperrima bellī, quam Iūnō fertur terrīs magis omnibus ūnam posthabitā coluisse Samō; hīc illius arma, hīc currus fuit; hōc rēgnum dea gentibus esse, sī quā Fāta sinant, iam tum tenditque fovetque. Prōgeniem sed enim Trōiānō ā sanguine dūcī audierat, Tyriās olim quae verteret arcēs; hinc populum lātē regem bellōque superbum ventūrum excidiō Libyae: sīc volvere Parcās. Id metuēns, veterisque memor Sāturnia bellī, prīma quod ad Trōiam prō cārīs gesserat Argīs-necdum etiam causae īrārum saevīque dolōrēs exciderant animō: manet altā mente repostum iūdicium Paridis sprētaeque iniūria fōrmae, et genus invīsum, et raptī Ganymēdis honōrēs. Hīs accēnsa super, iactātōs aequore tōtō Trōas, rēliquiās Danaum atque immītis Achillī, arcēbat longē Latiō, multōsque per annōs errābant, āctī Fātīs, maria omnia circum. Tantae mōlis erat Rōmānam condere gentem!
I'm adding this as a second comment so it will be easier for you to delete if it becomes obsolete. I found two little issues with the video. Around the 14:20 mark, I thought I heard a repeated line. Maybe that's the thing you told us you were planning to edit out. Also, there's 1:15 of dead air at the end (starting at 56:58 or so). As I said, feel free to delete this comment. I would have sent this as a private message, but I don't think I have your contact info.
Ah, yes, thanks, good call on the repeated line: I thought I'd found the last one. The dead space at the end was an accident I just left in. Last time I tried to fix the video in the TH-cam editor I deleted everything except what I was trying to delete: we'll see how I fare this time.
Maxime amo pronuntiatum tuum. Quamquam didici linguam Latinam quattro annis in schola, numquam cogitavi Latine loqui. Ignorans phonologiam sermonis, quaesivi exempla soni intra hebdomades recentes, ut percipiam linguam Latinam elocutam. Felix sum oratione tua inventa et carpam pro usu. Praeterea miror, quod ausus es innotescere pronuntiatum tuum - minime ausus essem orbi monstrare, quod nimis timida sum. (Scribere Latine etiam non consuesco, ergo condonas errata mea.)
@@MenelmacarLG Respōnsum tuum maximē dīligitur. Nōnnumquam post illam litteram adhūc Latīnē scrībēbam loquēbarque, et nunc cēnseō mē lentē sed incessanter prōgressam esse. Ut ōlim didicī aliōs sermōnēs, sīc nunc cōnor discere Latīnum. Rēgulāriter Latīnē legō et scrībō et audiō et loquor, saepe auxiliō librī Linguae Latīnae per sē Illūstrātae; nōn nōvī ūllum alium opus, ā quō scientia mea linguae hōc gradū aucta sit. Enim ūtor bibliothēcam digitālem nōmine Legentibus et eō modō quaerō contāctum audītīvum. Postrēmō coepī ipsa scrībere fābulās et poēmata nōtūra optiōnes auctōrum. Poēmata sunt praecipuē magnō ūsū; eōs semper ēloquor et ergō sentiō cōnsecūtiōnēs, prō exemplō, canendī versum multīs cum spondēīs. Haec sunt gradūs meī ad discendum linguam Latīnam - habēsne suāsiōnēs propriās prō novā discipulā?
@@MenelmacarLG I clicked in the video kind of not paying attention, thinking, oh cool the aneid in Latin. And then I saw the time... it was one of those moments where you're on a run away train and you can either jump off into the abyss and probably die or follow the journey into the shadows. Neither are the greatest but with the darkness there is the guarantee of something interesting happening, and honestly, if you've accidentally clicked on something, might as well smash it with gusto. You know that kind of shit I'm doing this.
Horribile auditu lexisti ! Hoc non latinum sed pessimum dialectum Italiae inferioooris est. Tántae molís erát románam cóndere géntem, __ scansionemque respectavisti. Vae tibi !
@@SamDiMento Would it sound better to JULIUS CAESAR Himself, who originally uttered It out to be recorded! Only He would know if the exact nuanced pronunciation is correct, whether pleasing or not to us of another age, but definitely pleasing to Him...
Are you talking about the V as a W sound in the 1st century? If so, I think there’s pretty good evidence that that’s how it was pronounced. Whether it’s awful or beautiful is really a matter of taste/habit :)
And I bet you could do better? Read with a perfect Italianate accent and reconstructed pronunciation? With passion and a feel for the material? Doubtful.
My desire to learn is being matched equally by my lack of comprehension.
Try Duolingo it has a Latin course
Memento Mori Recte dicit!
This is perhaps the wisest TH-cam comment I have ever seen
Retatardicia es loi keq tei paizuh, par mijoniz di aniz el humbre varonil blancus escondidus nustro idiomi piro nustra furza numaz a crecende eztua le origini de lenguaje qui azido pachado purla buca de cadai varonil kei en esperetus estara presentus kendo nuztra jente vuelva e reignar y pasar vajo un nevo rex pacha todi le planeka
😂😂😂
This has to be the best pronunciation in a recording of the Aeneid ever attempting. Macte!!
Much thanks, Luke. It's been a brilliant exercise.
Both of the recordings you gentleman have made are excellent!
I find this to be a great tool for normalisation of pronunciation... I listen to it over and over... thank you.
The only problem is the r pronouncation and the s. The s is said to be as k. And for the r. You can tell a Romance language is not his mother tongue so the r is heighten.
I agree.
Even one year after I first heard this, I still cannot get over how well-pronounced this is compared to the other versions I've heard. Bravo!
Grātiās reddō tibi māximās.
I just came here from a recitation of odyseia in homeric greek it is just amazing me this stuff was once the purview of a very small class of people now I can hear a considerately reconstructed aeneid whenever little I want to, just amazing. Thanks!
There’s a lot of good things here, like the nasalization, ellision, and even the circumflex accent in words like “prīmus”. The biggest thing is that ō was probably raised from short o, more like the o in “go” but monophthongized. Also, l’s in most environments other than before “i” was l-pinguis like in “law”. Also, this is a less definite feature but since ellision occurs, Latin probably did not use the glottal stop, so a sequence of two i’s was probably realized with an approximant in between like “ih-yee”. Otherwise, the fact that this recording even exists is great.
could you point me to a comprehensive pronunciation guide that outlines everything you're talking about here? I'm currently working through Wheelock's 6th ed. which is greatly simplified. But I have studied IPA and would like to take a more detailed approach.
Jack Ray I’d say Allen’s “Vox Latina”. Not so much IPA since it’s a little older but I think it’s the most thorough.
@@enzop177 thank you!
Jack Ray Just FYI, some of the stuff in Vox Latina is somewhat controversial. Not saying not to read it, but the use of [ɪ] and [ʊ] as short [iː] [uː] is not totally accepted.
@@Zavendea because it’s probably not correct
I’m taking Latin 1 this year. I’ve had a total of 2 shortened classes (half days) and I’m absolutely obsessed with it. It’s fascinating on so many levels, and I hope to one day reach this level of proficiency. Thank you for making this!
Nīl est. Proficiency is not as hard, nor does it take as long, as you might think. Are you aware of Lingua Latīna per sē Illūstrāta?
Menelmacar I just looked at it. I’m ordering a copy asap! Thank you.
1 year later, how is it going? Fluent yet? :D
@@chloeccg6404 You're hot.
i put this on in the background when im studying and having listened to it (subliminally?) many, many times i really think it has helped a lot with my accent and the flow of the language. thank you so much for making this available! it can be hard to find latin audio.
Wow! This is terrific! The best I’ve heard since Musa illa Pedestris!
Thanks indeed for your high praise.
What am I reading here? 😀 Thanks very much. This one is much more correct than mine - I like it!
Thank you so much! This sounds perfect. I am currently taking latin and I was trying to hear the pronunciations in a more fluent manner.
Hoc perbene factum est, et quod ad metrum, et quod ad pronuntiationem pertinet - laudo!
Grātiās māximās tibi agō.
Moretum bonum gustibus.
The year 2021 is nearly over. To escape modernity I have begun studying allegedly dead languages. Now, having searched YT for "Latin audiobook," I am delighted to discover this recording and somewhat surprised at the number of people who have apparently also chosen to revive this exquisite ancestor of so many modern languages.
Quōmodo discis Latīnē? Quōs legis librōs?
@@MenelmacarLG ego latium non loquor. Ego sanscritam scio. Latinum et sanscritam sunt similis.
@@MenelmacarLG ☹
@@abhinavchauhan7864 Egō volō Sānscritam discere!
@@MenelmacarLG wow. Can i help you?
Thanks for this! I LOVE not only the excellent pronunciation but the energy and passion in the reading.
Grātiās tibi dēbeō.
I was looking for something like this. I am taking an introductory class on the Romans and my professor speaks and reads Latin like this. We are reading the translation of this novel but I find myself captivated by the language. I could listen to it for ages.
Please do more of these! This was exactly what I needed. Subscribed!
I'm glad it served you well, and much thanks for the subscription. I plan to finish the Aeneid and also branch out into some other stuff, both classical and mediaeval.
@@MenelmacarLGPlease do! (It's been five years)
Ālātum tempus.@@VoidLantadd
this is fantastic, very well done!
Grâtiâs tibi agô.
can you continue to publish the remaining books of the Aeneid? Please, Virgil is my favorite Latin poet in fact I'm reading The Aeneid and I just finished the eighth book, I'm passionate about the Latin language and culture and your pronunciation is sensational! 🥺❤
Beautiful language.
This is perhaps the closest rendition of restored pronunciation, I have listened to others, especially native Italians or Greeks trying to do renditions of ancient languages and they seem to shorten the vowel quality or the syllables the way the current languages are. Its like listening to a Latino or Russian speaking English, they rush through the syllables shorting vowels or lateral and nasal finals. This is great, because its pronounced by a speaker whose native language has more similar lengths of syllables to the latin.
Thank you. What do you think is my native language?
@@MenelmacarLG What is your mother tongue? And would you please make more recitations and put them up for sale! :) Chris is correct; you have the best pronunciation!
@@MatW1lson I'm an American, but I try to hide my native accent when I speak another language. Thank you for your praise and your interest. I am working on another big project now. It will hopefully be available pretty soon.
@@MenelmacarLGHow’s the progress so far? I commented on Christmas Eve 2022 and it’s now June 13th 2023. Just start publishing small stuff. You can refine later. I would like to hear you recite all of Vergil’s poems like Georgics and Eclogues. You and Daniel Pettersson have the best classical Latin voices. I do believe that eventually there will be a wave of market demand in people wanting to learn Latin... Within 5-10 years. Right now though... there is not much of a market but there will be. I’m also from the USA btw (Ohio).
@@MatW1lson Thanks for your encouragement, and for your praise. Slow going over here, but I won't deny I agree that I should be doing small stuff.
Amazing! Instant subscribtion earned.
Incredibile dictu est, hoc est luce sole ipso clarius!
Such experthood is rare among Latinists.
Fantastic Work!
Thank you indeed.
Optime! Bene recitatum est. Valeas plurimum!
Gaudeō et tibi grātiās agō.
Thank you so much! Your pronunciation is so awesome!
libenter, amīce
Please do more of these!!!!
Pārēbō. Et grātiās tibi agō.
Tua pronuntiatio est lenis, me place multissimo, debo gratias tibi, hoc auxiliat
Libenter.
Thanks a bunch, I’ve been looking for a longer text to listen to for quite some time.
And I’d pay $$$ to know how an ancient Roman would rate our attempts to restore pronunciation. ;)
You're welcome. I intend to finish the Aeneid as well as read some other stuff. If you have a request I'd gladly consider it.
@@annterashita1770 Not as close as Ecclesiastical Latin does (which is more like medieval Latin which is (at least) as removed from original Latin as medieval English is from ours).
This is amazing and very impressive! Great work on this!
Grâtiam tibi habeô.
Rome framing it's origin myth around their ancestor pump n' dumping The Queen of Carthage is one of the most savage and hilarious burns in antiquity.
Dilectissime, Logane! Numquam melior recitationem Vergilii audivi. Audiam iterum iterumque.
Grātiās tibi māximās agō.
No matter how much time I spend revising before I post, I always seem to notice mistakes after the fact. Arrgh! (meliorem)
This is very impressive
Grātiās tibi agō.
Bene recitavisti. Vale
Grātiās prō grātiā.
This is brilliant! Beautiful and very impressive!! A few suggestions to make subsequent recordings even better: 1) pause a bit when there’s a comma or period, or at the end of a grammatical chunk to make it easier for the reader to understand. 2) try to match your intonation to the meaning...for example, in line 11, it’s a question, but you don’t really read it like a question. 3) maintain the natural word stress/accent of each word...sometimes it sounds like you’re stressing the wrong syllable in order to make a long vowel long: cano, Troiae, iram, urbem, patres, etc. I know that there are some who disregard the natural stress in poetry, so I guess it’s a matter of taste, but I find it much nicer when there’s both the meter AND and the normal stress.
@@Thelaretus Thanks! I have read that article and am aware of the different approaches. I listened to the recording many times and based my comments on that, but it’s not a big deal at all, and I can certainly be wrong. I listened to the reading of Book 2, and it’s excellent. The accents seemed to me, with rare exceptions, to be perfectly fine.
@@DavidAmster Thank you, sir, for your praise and critique.
@@MenelmacarLG Thank YOU for all the work you’ve put into this project. It’s wonderful! I have listened to some of your Book 2 as well and it’s great. It seems that you’re paying a lot more attention there to the meaning of each sentence or phrase, which makes it much more pleasant to listen to. I am very sorry for some of the brutal comments some people have left. I hope that doesn’t discourage you. I’m working on little videos of Catullus poems, and sometimes the “feedback” is quite harsh! A good exercise in Stoicism :)
It is too much performance, trying for perfection of which we know little; I feel I will deliver a recitation based more on the dactylic hexameters than rolling r’s (aristocratic speech) we know this was another language from the commons meant to elevate the Latin language. I was a Bronx boy who thirsted for Homer & Virgil. My first encounter as a high school student was at Bronx Community College & Fordham College where I first read the Loeb Library of Classical Latin & Greek. That is 50 years ago. I still have a copy of Catullus always at hand. Also Amo, Amas, Amat & More by by Eugene Ehrlich (Introduction by William F. Buckley) cites many incorrect pronunciation. The stresses are not falling in poetical place here. Give me a chance for an honest hearing of an amateur. It is not curriculum vitae (it should sound like kuu-RIH-kuu-luum WEE-ti). Well long vowel weetay. I will welcome your honest opinion in any case. I have waited years to do this. I don’t think I should do so terrible; this is not only an academic pursuit.
@@RamismTamoid Hi Thomas, are you referring to a recitation you’ve done or are going to do?
Trying to teach myself Latin. I have no idea any of what was said. I will understand. Not now but eventually... I will comprehend this.
Get a hold of Lingua Latîna per sê Illûstrâta.
th-cam.com/video/j7hd799IznU/w-d-xo.html
I shared this with my group because it is so stunning..
Much thanks for sharing, but what kind of group do you mean?
Not" Group" per se on my LinkedIn account where I try to expose the world to the beauty of languages.
I am Chasidah "Chaz"Fried
on LinkedIn.
There was an old Latin textbook my junior high used in the early 1960's - it was beginner level but was based on the Aeneid. Does anyone know title and author ?
Macte! Perplacet recitatio.
Grātiās laudis auscultandīque tuī causā agō.
Was the rolled R part of how Latin was typically spoken?
It was rolled in certain positions, yes. At the beginning of words and phrases and also when doubled. So it's tapped in "serō" but rolled in "serrō".
Beginning at 15:02 is my favorite passage.
I have been listening to this video from time to time since 2019. I really love your pronunciation, Especially your long and nasalized vowels and r's. Who are you, magister, habesne to Instagramma , Telegramma, Librum Faciei? Quid est nomen tibi?
Grātiās tibi agō for your kind words. I'll get book 3 out one of these days, and eventually the whole poem. As for myself, I try to keep him away from this channel if I can help it.
What do you think of the historicity of retracted s for Classical Latin? Seeing that you use a fronted (non-retracted) s.
Great video, great Latin!
I just didn't know about it back when I made this. I use it now. Lots of fun.
Por favor, se possível, continue a postar o restante dos livros com esta pronúncia, é excepcionalmente boa e única
Grātiās prō laude tuā. Velim, et habeō prōpositum ut cēterōs faciam librōs, sed tam negōtiōsus sum nunc temporis ut nesciam quandō... Sed tandem! Volō.
Speed it up by .5 for it to sound more natural
Good advice.
Honestly, I think the speed is perfect. If it’s faster it would be very hard to understand, for me, at least.
That is some clean latin. magnifico
Grātiās tibi habeō.
Hi there, would you be willing to release this as Creative Commons so it can be added to Wikipedia / Vicipaedia?
Sure. What does releasing it require?
@@MenelmacarLG Hi there, there are two options:
(1) Edit the video here and change the licence to "Creative Commons cc-by" (Edit video » Video details » More options » Licence panel) - this is easiest, we will do the rest.
(2) Upload the video to Wiki Commons. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page (this is a bit more fiddly).
It seems very realistic, thanjyou for ehelping em with my oral test
Also, do you mind uf i ask waht is your mother language?
Thank you indeed, I'm glad it was helpful. My mother-tongue is English.
And what's your mother-tongue?
@@MenelmacarLG Portuguese, that's why i asked, you sounded really mediterraniam
An excellent compliment, thank you.
@@joaocabral3541 That's the idea. Americans and British and Germans and such STRIP Latin and Ancient Greek of their Mediterranean flavor with their bad pronunciations and accents.
Nossa, adoraria saber falar latim.
I tell myself i should learn a new language.
I come up with the one no one speaks.
Sī nēminem putārēs Latīnē loquī posse, errārēs. If you thought no one speaks Latin, you'd be wrong.
it's imprtant to mini pause between words to make it sounds more natural. great work btw.
"just the other day, (*pause*) Bob told me he went to 7/11 (*pause*) to grab a pack of beer. (*pause*) "
that is not exactly how Latin dactylic hexameter works, see th-cam.com/video/l_kAX8E8GEs/w-d-xo.html
I agree, if you mean between the syntactic chunks.
Euge! Gratias!
Libenter.
@@MenelmacarLG Alias recitationes mox facies? Pronuntiatio tua placet.
@@janusroland Tertium parô.
@@MenelmacarLG optime! cupide expecto
Play it a few times over. Get a copy of the text and alternate between reading and listening. Review your grammar.
if CYDONIA on MARS is something that's covered up, how did these MARTIANS talk with Each Other? For the ROMANS always claimed ancestry from FATHER MARS.
2 years that I’m listening that and I still don’t know who is the one reciting this poem, please help me amici
I'm the one reciting the poem. Hello. It's gratifying to know you've been using this for two years, thank you.
@@MenelmacarLG Hello. Thank to you ! I think you recite extremely well, I even like listening so much that I am able to recite the beginning 😭 congrats from France
How different is ecclesiastical latin from Classical Latin? Is this Classical Latin?
It is Classical Latin. Ecclesiastical Latin is much the same language, but pronounced quite differently. The sounds of Eccl. Latin begin to approach what we hear in modern day Italian, and something like it might have been similar to the speech of the common people of Ancient Rome.
@@TheEuphrosyne1216 for example the v in Ecc. sounds like a normal /v/ like in Italian, but in Classical Latin it's a /w/. Classical Latin is technically correct, but either pronunciation is fine.
why the narrator doesn't pronounce"M" as the last letter?
Yes, the Romans of Vergil's time really did that. Weird stuff. Compare French and Japanese for something similar (with -N).
I know next to nothing about latin, grammar or languages and I don't know why I'm here, listening to the aeneid in, apparently, a near perfect restoration of classical Latin but it sounds cool👍 keep it up and good luck to the people learning this weird language
Estne Luke Ranieri? Sounds like his beautiful lilts especially in certain poetic parts. And of course the rest of the amazing he has which perfects lingua Latina.
I'm not Luke, but I have imitated his pronunciation ever since I started speaking Latin. Grātiās tibi agō prō verbīs dulcibus.
@@MenelmacarLG grātiās beyond words. Your audiobooks are the only ones I've found on YT worth listening to repeatedly (for classical latin) and you've done an incredible job at learning from Luke and all your other sources. If I could donate I would - perhaps you could put an option on your links for people to give :) or maybe option to buy offline version to keep? I appreciate all your time and care.
You and Luke are exceptional 🙏❤️
This is beautiful! I'm looking for a Restored Pronunciation recording of Book XII - do you have that planned anytime soon?
Thank you. I doubt it will be any time soon, but I do plan to finish this. I'm not very happy with it, though, and will post the next book when my Latin is up to par. I'll think about doing 12 next, though, since you've requested it.
Omg those rolled R's sound really hard to pronounce and i speak spanish. Congratulations
Bueno soy hablante nativo de español y se entiende bastante...bueno tengo la ventaja de saber muchos sinónimos en castellano mínimo 2 por palabras entonces me.resulta un poco las fácil captar algunas palabras y frases del latín
Wow
This guys latin is fluent enough to make a conversation with ancient romans
Mortuus es? Duae rēs tantum? Ubi es?
Bene monēs.
I wish someone would read this in a casual reading tempo instead of strict meter.
Fair.
The lines will be metrical by default even in a casual reading. Metre isn't something imposed on the verbs. But yes, it is a bit monotone and strained.
Is it latin from Mars?
You mean because I sound like an alien.
18:50
21:00 ‘togata’
Diligo quomodo tu quidem recitaveris nasis adlatis vocalis. Hoce autem tale conorum paenitet. Sed id tamquam est, opus praeclare factum sit.
I don’t what I was trying to say with that second sentence lol. By the way, I had a thought after learning more about the phonetics of Latin: you sound like an Ancient Greek who’s learnt Latin but kept a bit of an accent! Which is very classical indeed. Two pieces of evidence: 1. you pronounce long vowels as open instead of closed like the long vowels in ancient varieties of Greek, 2. you sound almost like you’re using a pitch accent, and like Greek, you pay attention more to the poetic meter for intonation than individual stresses of words. This is not a criticism though! I just think it’s interesting
While this is good, especially in comparison to other 'spoken Latin' on TH-cam, it sounds quite artificial to me for over-emphasising features like vowel length, nasalisation etc. This is what a lot of my fellow classicists do, so I still give you high kudos for this version, but keep in mind that there's vowel length in English too and the difference really isn't a lot.
Nevertheless, keep going!
That's strange, I never knew Latin had some nasal sounds. I hear a bit of French.
Nevertheless, this is great.
Thank you much. The nasal vowels occur in two places: firstly, at the end of words that end in M (jam, puellam, quem, &c.), and secondly, in words where an N precedes an S or F (īnfāns).
Pronuntiatione Circeronis est? Audio "e" et "o" apertos, et longis vocalibus. Felicitationes pro lectura!
Grātiās tibi agō. Cicerōnis equidem prōnūntiātus quantum sciō possumque.
Rēctē monēs Cicerōnem "nōn vastē, nōn rūstice, nōn hiulcē, sed pressē et aequābiliter et lēniter" locūtum esse.
Is it just my impression or is ther a little Carthaginian accent in his pronunciation?😮
No idea what a Carthaginian accent sounds like, so I'd say it's in your head.
I believe this is Hans Örberg speaking. Imagine the difficulty of learning to understand and speak latin this good when you are Danish.
Totally engrossing is he
Impressive that he recorded it from the grave.
Arma virumque canō, Trōiae quī prīmus ab ōrīs Ītaliam, fātō profugus, Lāvīniaque vēnit
lītora, multum ille et terrīs iactātus et altō
vī superum saevae memorem Iūnōnis ob īram; multa quoque et bellō passus, dum conderet urbem, inferretque deōs Latiō, genus unde Latīnum, Albānīque patrēs, atque altae moenia Rōmae.
Mūsa, mihī causās memorā, quō nūmine laesō, quidve dolēns, rēgīna deum tot volvere cāsūs īnsīgnem pietāte virum, tot adīre labōrēs impulerit. Tantaene animīs caelestibus īrae?
Urbs antīqua fuit, Tyriī tenuēre colōnī,
Karthāgō, Ītaliam contrā Tiberīnaque longē
ōstia, dīves opum studiīsque asperrima bellī, quam Iūnō fertur terrīs magis omnibus ūnam posthabitā coluisse Samō; hīc illius arma, hīc currus fuit; hōc rēgnum dea gentibus esse, sī quā Fāta sinant, iam tum tenditque fovetque.
Prōgeniem sed enim Trōiānō ā sanguine dūcī audierat, Tyriās olim quae verteret arcēs; hinc populum lātē regem bellōque superbum ventūrum excidiō Libyae: sīc volvere Parcās.
Id metuēns, veterisque memor Sāturnia bellī, prīma quod ad Trōiam prō cārīs gesserat Argīs-necdum etiam causae īrārum saevīque dolōrēs exciderant animō: manet altā mente repostum iūdicium Paridis sprētaeque iniūria fōrmae, et genus invīsum, et raptī Ganymēdis honōrēs.
Hīs accēnsa super, iactātōs aequore tōtō
Trōas, rēliquiās Danaum atque immītis Achillī, arcēbat longē Latiō, multōsque per annōs errābant, āctī Fātīs, maria omnia circum. Tantae mōlis erat Rōmānam condere gentem!
You honestly believe that this what the Aeneid sounded like? There's almost no perceptible rhythm/meter in this reading.
I'm not sure what you mean. How should the metre sound, in your opinion?
The o and e sgould be the values of Castilian Spanish. Not open e and o.
Why do you say that? I'm not familiar.
Corporibus nostris temporem vertere non possumus, sed possumus prō menitbus nostris ex hōc font vēris bibere
Dulcia verba.
You don't need to roll latin R's that hard every time they appear...
I dare say you're right.
caesuras deesse doleo
Sounds like me reading latin 😂
Esne Finnicus?
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I'm adding this as a second comment so it will be easier for you to delete if it becomes obsolete. I found two little issues with the video. Around the 14:20 mark, I thought I heard a repeated line. Maybe that's the thing you told us you were planning to edit out. Also, there's 1:15 of dead air at the end (starting at 56:58 or so).
As I said, feel free to delete this comment. I would have sent this as a private message, but I don't think I have your contact info.
Ah, yes, thanks, good call on the repeated line: I thought I'd found the last one. The dead space at the end was an accident I just left in. Last time I tried to fix the video in the TH-cam editor I deleted everything except what I was trying to delete: we'll see how I fare this time.
Maxime amo pronuntiatum tuum. Quamquam didici linguam Latinam quattro annis in schola, numquam cogitavi Latine loqui. Ignorans phonologiam sermonis, quaesivi exempla soni intra hebdomades recentes, ut percipiam linguam Latinam elocutam. Felix sum oratione tua inventa et carpam pro usu. Praeterea miror, quod ausus es innotescere pronuntiatum tuum - minime ausus essem orbi monstrare, quod nimis timida sum.
(Scribere Latine etiam non consuesco, ergo condonas errata mea.)
Sed bene vidēris scrībere saltem didicisse Latīnum sermōnem. Quōmodo pergit disciplīna?
@@MenelmacarLG Respōnsum tuum maximē dīligitur. Nōnnumquam post illam litteram adhūc Latīnē scrībēbam loquēbarque, et nunc cēnseō mē lentē sed incessanter prōgressam esse. Ut ōlim didicī aliōs sermōnēs, sīc nunc cōnor discere Latīnum. Rēgulāriter Latīnē legō et scrībō et audiō et loquor, saepe auxiliō librī Linguae Latīnae per sē Illūstrātae; nōn nōvī ūllum alium opus, ā quō scientia mea linguae hōc gradū aucta sit. Enim ūtor bibliothēcam digitālem nōmine Legentibus et eō modō quaerō contāctum audītīvum. Postrēmō coepī ipsa scrībere fābulās et poēmata nōtūra optiōnes auctōrum. Poēmata sunt praecipuē magnō ūsū; eōs semper ēloquor et ergō sentiō cōnsecūtiōnēs, prō exemplō, canendī versum multīs cum spondēīs. Haec sunt gradūs meī ad discendum linguam Latīnam - habēsne suāsiōnēs propriās prō novā discipulā?
Shit I'm doing this. Ok.
What do you mean?
@@MenelmacarLG I clicked in the video kind of not paying attention, thinking, oh cool the aneid in Latin. And then I saw the time... it was one of those moments where you're on a run away train and you can either jump off into the abyss and probably die or follow the journey into the shadows.
Neither are the greatest but with the darkness there is the guarantee of something interesting happening, and honestly, if you've accidentally clicked on something, might as well smash it with gusto.
You know that kind of shit I'm doing this.
Do you know Latin?
@@MenelmacarLG I know spanish. I can look st latin and read some words.
good pronunciation but this is not being recited as actual poetry, it's too robotic
Fair point, I agree.
it sounds a bit persian and that's kinda weird. anyway thanks
I think it's because of his pronunciation, in my opinion the melodic pronunciation makes it sound like several distinct languages at times.
@@DualAxer I don't know what "melodic pronunciation" means. I'm not doing pitch-accent, if that's what you mean. I'm just inexperienced lol.
Rauci corvi vox est, non columbae,
Hahae certê
When Romans got drunk...
1:35 He says a Dookie Lol
Really...?
@@MenelmacarLG more like at 1:37 actually.
@@Amazin11000 No, I mean "really?" as in, is that all you've got for this comment-section?
@@MenelmacarLG I think you take yourself too seriously. Sheesh.
@@Amazin11000 Come now, that joke hasn't been clever since we were three years old.
CALLIDE!
It kind of sounds like persian to me. I dont know why.
Horribile auditu lexisti ! Hoc non latinum sed pessimum dialectum Italiae inferioooris est.
Tántae molís erát románam cóndere géntem, __ scansionemque respectavisti. Vae tibi !
Tibi assentior, pessimē recitāvī, et nimium servī ictuum. Exercitium puerī est. Auscultēs recitātiōnem alteram meam et discrīmina, sī adsint, inveniat auris ācris tua.
Pienso que el habla latino monumental. Latino es no supuesto estar perfecto.el punto es que el latino es comprehensible.
@@ihatecars7364 grātiās tibi agō
@@MenelmacarLG perdoname puedes tu repitarlo por mi por favor. Te agradezco por su gratis.
@@ihatecars7364 Nōn bene intellegō. Quid vīs mē iterum dīcere?
Only Protestants could dream up and recreate such an awful pronunciation. I refuse to believe that Julius Caesar said “weeny weedy weeky”!
Oh carissimus Discipulus Linguae Latinae, It's WAY-KNEE, rather than WEENY!
@@albertkundrat1734 True...doesn't make it sound any better!
@@SamDiMento Would it sound better to JULIUS CAESAR Himself, who originally uttered It out to be recorded! Only He would know if the exact nuanced pronunciation is correct, whether pleasing or not to us of another age, but definitely pleasing to Him...
Are you talking about the V as a W sound in the 1st century? If so, I think there’s pretty good evidence that that’s how it was pronounced. Whether it’s awful or beautiful is really a matter of taste/habit :)
@@DavidAmster personally I like it, it sounds strangely more authoritative.
What this crap reading is... lol
What do you think its worst aspect is?
@@MenelmacarLG It doesn't sound natural at all
@@aleksisiltala10 Yes, it doesn't sound natural to me, either, but it's at least a beginning.
And I bet you could do better? Read with a perfect Italianate accent and reconstructed pronunciation? With passion and a feel for the material? Doubtful.
@@iberius9937 it’s…Latin, not Italian