I'm not a fan of this whole realignment thing outside of football who only plays once a week it's going to mess up other sports who travel more than one time a week. Like they should've done differently like maybe add some g5 teams to the p5 conference. I kind of think it's going to be a disaster
@@scottbones a lot of my friends went to OSU so it's not personal to me, I say root for your enemies to succeed so that you look better in victory over them
Cheers man. Holding out hope realignment will rear its ugly head again in a couple years and things will fall more in our favor. Best of luck in the B10
Also, destroying a 108 yr old conference and tossing out geographic conferences, tradition, and rivalries in favor of a short term cash grab is a huge part of the reason that college athletics are losing their luster. Not to mention the transfer portal/NIL being the wild west and favoring the big/rich schools by far. RIP CFB
The thing is if the schools are smart they will keep the rivalries. Yes they will be out of conference now but they still will have their effect they always do.
The cash is not short term what is you talking about? Also a lot of the rivalries are intact it’s not like a lot of the teams not going to the same conference.
CFB viewership has been declining. All this conference realignment is just a cash grab for media companies and is not going to be sustainable. The national championship had 22 million viewers last year. The week 5 SNF game between the Cowboys/Niners had like 35 million. CFB keeps trying to compete with the NFL for viewers/money when it is inevitably going to fail. No rivalries are not intact dude and anything that is still intact is a shadow of what it once was.@@commonsense3921
No at all. It is a terrible thing to do. The disparity between OSU and the Ducks in our dark years was significant even when we were in the same conference. Add in Phil Knights money, Big Ten money and recruits when OSU will making 4 million a yr in the MWC when UO makes 59 million or whatever it is and the rivalry game will be more than meaningless. OSU/WSU continuing rivalries with in-state counterparts does more harm than good and won't land them in a Power conference nor make enough financial difference to alter our course.@@sheayurkunas9513
I'm a diehard beaver fan. I appreciate the coverage of this situation. It definitely has been really tough being a beaver fan over the years. I think there is some optimism in the fan base at the moment despite all of this.
As a Duck fan, I think it’s truly a shame that OSU is going through this! It’s criminal that a great conference with a rich and storied tradition is no more simply due to $$ and tv deals! I never root against OSU unless they’re playing Oregon. Never been one of those fans! It’s heartbreaking that they are suffering and will continue to suffer. Once the portal opens on Monday they’re gonna lose every decent player they have! They’ll be competing with Boise State, Montana and San Diego State for players. The days of them competing against top tier teams will be over. They deserve much better!
I'm not a student nor from Oregon, actually I'm from Mexico, obviously I root for my college football team BUT a cousin of mine who I consider a close friend gave me an OSU hoodie, I like it a lot and I use it a lot, by the time I didn't had a team to root for in the NCAA, I started to slowly follow OSU football, I became a Beavers fan, I'm even considering apply for study-aboard kind of semester there and it's just sucks how everything went with the PAC-12
As a huskies fan that’s has a parent that went to OSU, this is why conference realignment should never happen I feel so bad for you guys I would love to be a beav some day but with all this I just don’t know
Lifelong oregon resident and duck fan.. Half of my close friends and family are Beavers. The shock and disbelief on their faces the other day when their coach left, my heart goes out to them. The whole thing makes me sick, being left out of conference realignment. I really hope they can get into a power 5 conference or somehow find a way to make being an independent work. Definitely going to be rooting for them to have success.
According to multiple sources the DC at OSU Trent Bray was just named HC(a very popular pick), supposedly USC really wanted him as their new DC. Oregon State and WSU will regularly be ten win teams in the MW/Pac-2 merger conference that will happen after the court cases end. They will be regular contenders for the 12 team expanded playoffs as the best non-power 4 conference teams, I say this as a Duck alum. The schedule by the way is virtually done, both schools will play 7 MWC games plus their previously scheduled 3 out of conference games, that is ten out of twelve games, actually in the case of WSU they now have a 11th game against UW scheduled and OSU will likely have a 11th game against Oregon scheduled any day, Oregon is negotiating with Boise St and Texas Tech to re-schedule or cancel so the Civil War can continue, finding a single final 12th game will be easy for both schools. The seven game MWC schedule is a two year deal for 2024 and 2025 to give time for the court cases to finish. I am confident they will win the case and walk away with a couple hundred million dollars, precedent was already set by the conference when USC and UCLA left and got nothing, its a pretty clear cut case. The uncertainty will probably hurt recruiting for a couple of years but then they will bounce back becoming bigger badder versions of Boise St a few years ago or Cincinnati or more recently Tulane, regularly beating power 4 conference schools.
Going to be a fun thing to watch a West coast team have to fly 2500 miles over and over and see how that works as far as cost to the universities that are having to do that. Not only that some players may not want to do that and be happy to stay in the area instead of burn themselves out during finals and so on with all those long trips.
It’s sad seeing the PAC-12 go away, the fact that half of the teams are moving to the B1G (a Midwestern conference) and the ACC (an east coast conference) is definitely a head scratcher for me
1:59: With such a non descript football history, many people may not know that the school actually had a Heisman Trophy winner. Quarterback Terry Baker in 1962. He also won the Maxwell Trophy and was Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year.
I can see why a coach would take a job in a better conference, but coach Smith had a good thing going at OSU. He had players that respected him, a university and fan base that loved him. Now, he burned those bridges and went to a MSU team that needs a lot of work. He might be successful, but he will forever be disliked by Oregon State university, fans and players.
One of the myriad of reasons I'm done watching CFB after this year. Wazzu and Oregon State belong in power 5 period. Pac 12 should still be a conference, period. Greed, corruption, and a need to fix what isn't broken led to this. Nothing else, period. Many great memories watching both these teams on otherwise lonely nights in college with the Pac12 after dark thing. Good riddance NCAA, don't let the door hit you on your way out!
The Pac-12 was broken, period. If you don't realize that, how fundamentally unsound it was compared to other conferences, you're dumb. Period. When a conference is less than a year away from having no TV deal, that's a problem. It's a sign something is "broken". That something is the perception of the conference. The leaders of the conference made plenty of baffling decisions that cost the conference money, namely moving the headquarters, as well as making their own network instead of partnering with someone. And then complacency from presidents like OSU's-who supported the person who did all this, Larry Scott-led to issues that led to the breakup. Is greed a part of it? Yes. But likely not how you think. Four teams held up the TV deal, one of them was Wazzu. So of course, teams who wanted a deal done and had options, left. In the end, Oregon State and Washington State had a hand in their own situations. Did they have the most to do with it? No, but they did, and to pretend like they are just victims goes against reality.
@@kyletucker3811 Your point is what exactly within that wall of text? That I'm dumb for thinking that it's only getting worse from here on out. I'm a Nebraska fan and alum. Our school is going to be relegated out of power 5 within 10 years. Book it! It's going to be 2 super conferences with a college super bowl. Someone grab me a puke bucket. The little guy gets trampled on end of story.
@@andrewbsfootballarchives4247The fact your comment is a wall of text and then you try and knock me for having a wall of text. Pot, I'm kettle. Also the fact you just exposed you're talking out of your ass with no understanding of why the Pac-12 broke up.
Seriously, wait until the transfer portal hits before you do WSU. No program will be more decimated. I'll be surprised if Dickert stays. Unfortunately for Oregon State and ourselves, we don't have much light at the end of the tunnel. We're in this together and we'll get through it. Go Cougs.
currently a student here at OSU, i’m concerned and curious how our football will look next year. We’ve lost many coaches and our conference, along with many important players. Damien Martinez staying is the only thing we have going for us right now.
As a Michigan State fan and alum I cannot begin to think how it’d feel to be a Beaver or Alum at this point. I will forever be a fan and pull for Oregon State. Both schools are Land Grant institutions with a lot of history. I’m of course thrilled to have Coach Smith but it’s bittersweet and I hate being looked at as the school that picked the bones of what is left of OSU.
Things I will point out as a fan/alum... OSU has a Heisman (I know it was in 1962 but it is better than Princeton's nattys). OSU has several Biletnikoffs and produced many NFL players (Steven Jackson, Chad Johnson, TJ houshmandzadeh, Sammie Stroughter, Nick Barnett, Brandon Browner, Matt Moore, Derek Anderson, Brandon Cooks, Isaac Seumalo, Jordan Poyer, Jacquizz Rodgers, James Rodgers, Luke Musgrave, Isaiah Hodgins. Johnny Hekker, Steven Nelson, Rezjohn Wright, etc). Beavs are not in a major metropolitan era and have always had to recruit 2-3 stars (almost all of whom rarely receive another P5 offer) to compete against the likes of USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, etc (all of whom are better resourced). In the past twenty years, they pulled off upsets against #3 USC in 2006, #2 Cal in 2007, #1 USC in 2008, #12 Wisconsin in 2012, #7 ASU in 2014, the Ducks in 2020 and 2022, among others.
As an LSU fan, I remember the 1962 Heisman won by Terry Baker because LSU halfback Jerry Stovall finished second. Baker was really incredible. Quarterback, point guard in basketball, and earning an engineering degree! Terry Baker and Jerry Stovall are both still living.
OSU fan and a personal friend of Andrew here, everything he said, was right at the time. As of today, September 12, 2024, the Pac-12 but really the PAC-2 is still alive. And it was announced today that Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and San Diego State have officially joined the conference. It will take affect in 2026, and as of now the conference will have 6 members. I had read today that they require 8 members minimum to be considered an NCAA conference. That just means I need 2 more between now and 2026. They are rebuilding, and it will never be the same as before, but the Conference of Champions will most likely live on…Go Beavs!
Most players outside of DJ U (portal) and Gould (declared for Draft) look to be staying at this point because we were able to lock Bray as HC. Still a lot of time before now and next season.
As a Beaver's fan I am so disappointed....Can't blame Coach Smith for bailing, but had hoped he would stay just because he was and is a Beaver. In my simple mind, his salary was good, how much money do you need? Go Beavs!.
One thing out of this mess is that while they never were heated rivals Oregon State and Washington State fans are practically much closer now than ever before.
I really don't understand why the Big 12 left Oregon State behind. Oregon State doesn't have the big city feel of Tucson, Tempe, and Salt Lake or the hot new coach in Boulder, but little Corvallis, Oregon, is one of the best environments in the sport. It's not an easy place to play. Oregon State has the misfortune of being a power 5 environment stuck in a "group of 5 town." That's not meant to be an insult to Corvallis, but that's how the other major conferences view you. It's unfair for the Big 12 who has programs in rural locations like Corvallis and still does not give Oregon State an olive branch.
Because Oregon State has nothing to offer. The Big XII has absolutely nothing to gain from adding them. They have a small fanbase, little TV value, no history, and the only sport they're consistently good in is baseball which doesn't pay the bills. The Big XII would have to take a haircut on the next TV contract to take them, and it wouldn't even make sense when the ACC is the next conference on the chopping block with programs that would have way more to offer. It's a sad situation but Oregon State has had over 100 years to establish itself as a legitimate brand and didn't do so. Statistically there has to be someone on the bottom end of history, and that happens to be Oregon State and Washington State.
I know this news came out after the video was posted, but the team and fan base are beyond stoked on the new hire of Trent Bray as head coach. Damien Martinez has continued to show loyalty as of now, and many of the players are consistently showing support towards the team on social media. It doesn’t guarantee a stay, but the loyalty and support is promising. I’m personally still hopeful for my school and its athletics. There will most definitely be a downfall, but I don’t think we are crashing and burning as hard as people think. A lot of people came to Oregon State because of the culture and coaching surrounding our athletics. Athletes have not gone to OSU for prestigiousness (minus baseball). We are close to figuring out our schedule for the next two years as well, so not all hope is lost!
@@YoshiYosheda If you look at when I made this comment, you’d see I posted this before that happened. I’m aware her got busted, but as of right now that has not had an impact on his spot on the team. He just won’t be in the bowl game
I think possible solution for Oregon State is they could join the ACC or Make Mountain West a new P5 conference. I think ACC could use Oregon TV market since they already getting Cal, Stanford. The other option is Make the Mountain West the new P5 conference (crazy but it just might work).
I doubt Oregon state would have the money to travel all the way to the east coast and they'll probably have to take a pay cut like cal and Stanford and I just don't see how they would make it a power 5 conference with two teams that nobody wanted....the American had better teams and still never got its power status back after they changed from the big east
“They don’t bring in the most money”. You said it right there. NCAA lost power and authority over NCAAF and now it has become about money and greed. That’s the sad part. You got some college players making more money than NFL players now and playing college football is now about who will pay more instead of which college will offer the best college experience for the STUDENT athlete. That being said, OSU is screwed with all their debt and no big conference to support them. They just have to accept the fact that they’re considered a mid-tier program by college football.
As an OSU Alum from back in a day when getting into the stadium called Parker Stadium back then was a two drink minimum as football teams were just awful. We had terrible coaches with ridiculous records. Check out Joe Avezzano and his 4-67-2 four years. It’s just never been pretty good. Let’s not forget the famous Civil War game that ended in a 0-0 tie. Can you imagine watching two awful teams almost score for 3 1/2 hours? So yeah it has been hard to feel good about any period of time with Beaver Football because when things are clicking is about when things start falling apart. I really thought Smith would be different. So this one really hurts. He was one of us and came from us. After a lot of thinking I think that when it comes to the business of college sports, OSU has always been behind the 8 ball. Oregon has always marketed to out perform in athletics. They have a huge fan base mostly of non alumni because the fans see how serious they are about their sports. I would say we are occasionally passionate. Some times we are good, sometimes we are not. But it’s not something we tirelessly pursue to make right. We have tolerated crappy coaches because we don’t know when to say, this is no longer benefiting our university, time for change. And I suspect this is the same complacent attitude that has left us behind in the conference exodus. But we are still here. So when it comes to losing Smith, I blame our athletic department management for once again coming in a day late and dollar behind, etc. There are 3 types of people in this world. People that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the hell just happened. I think we are the latter.
Hopefully OSU and WSU can find a good path forward. If all else fails we will welcome them with open arms in the MWC. Its a fun and competitive league that has some loyalty to each, other unlike the dumpster fire that the PAC12 turned into.
Somehow the PAC-2 need the Mountain West to join the PAC 12. And continue as the PAC 12. There is so much talent out there and what parents want to fly to Michigan,Ohio, NJ. Penn just to watch their son play football. When they can play at home in the new PAC 12.
That's our best case scenario but it really doesn't look likely. We'd need to add the best of the mountain west and try to sway a couple of competitive P5 schools to essentially lower their standards. We're holding out hope but the MW is looking most likely.
I worked in corvallis at the time the coach went to Michigan. One of the assistant coaches came in to get his oil changed and it was kinda brutal knowing he was gonna be out of work as he didn’t get the call to go to Michigan, and the new head coach was bringing in a whole new staff.
as a beaver fan thanks for brining light to this situation cause even before this nobody cared about us and its unfair that a team like rutgers is staying in power 5 when they have a much worse team than us
Maybe like Maryland, OSU, WAST, NEB, MINN, Wisconsin, you know the lower tier big 10 teams that have no shot of winning big ten can make there own conference 🤔
As a Boise State fan, welcome to the mountain west, usually a pretty top heavy conference in football with really low lows, basketball is gonna be great with you guys and Washington state though
Funny thing is wsu and osu aren't going to the mountain west 😂. But you are going to be upgraded to the new pac west giving Boise st more money and be in a power 5 conference finally. We have a 2 year grace period to rebuild the pac 12. All the mountain west team will come into our conference.
@@michaeljoubert4107 I honestly hope that this happens so long as our Commissioner is in power, I think that the best thing that they can do is they keep the conferences separate but do some sort of relegation system with the top team in the mountain west moving to the pac-12 and the worst team in the PAC moving to the mountain west. They would also need to get a couple more schools to join in because a conference needs at least 8 schools, so idk maybe take like North Dakota State and South Dakota State or possibly poach some other teams in the Group of Five.
Oregon State and Washington State being left behind reminds me of UConn missing out in the early 2010s. I remember going to UConn games before the old Big East split. My father was able to get suite tickets through his job. Games were no where near the same before the program declined and the end of the old conference.
Pac 12 should get Boise state, San Diego state, Unlv, Fresno state, Nevada . Also it’ll probably some teams that move up get them. Try to get notre dame too
I wish Alabama or Georgia could just have a taste of disappointment not even as bad as us but maybe lose 2 games a season or something 😂 I’m sad and every fan base is just mean saying we ass anyways
Oregon State and Washington State are screwed. Their days of even sniffing national relevancy have come to an end. This won’t be the last time this realignment BS ends programs and kills rivalries/fanbases. Unfortunately, college sports are now ran by TV companies who only care about profit. And the fans, per usual, are the ultimate losers
feels like their best option would be to beg the ACC to take them in on a discount like Stanford & Cal. If they join the mountain west they're pretty much doomed however they would be able to bank on the ACC staying alive or potentially jumping ship if it falls apart. All speculation though and everything would need to go right for it to work
I’m shocked the coach who was an alumn left for msu. Msu is a basketball school that thinks it’s a football school. JS won’t last with the high expectations they have and MSU will never finish anywhere near the top with the realignment.
@@mikaylafaithparteli9412 They’re never going to see the success they had under Dantonio. Michigan being that bad for that long was an anomaly. Combine that with Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA and it’s much worse. It’s gonna be tougher for everybody, especially the traditional 6-6, 8-4 type programs like MSU.
The oregon fan side of me feels no pity to them but the CFB fan side of me thinks it’s extremely unfair I feel for oregon state fans as a CFB fan they should definitely be in a conference sad times CFB is in
At 4:47 “the PAC-12 decided to dismantle…” FALSE USC decided to leave for the Big 10 and was quickly followed by UCLA. Other teams in the PAC-12 recognized the monetary impact that would have on their conference and bailed (tho “bailed” implies an effort to save a ship versus rats abandoning a ship). The truth is a single team precipitated the collapse of the PAC-12, and then nine of the remaining eleven self-dismantled. The Pac-12 per se did not dismantle. P.S. I am a Duck fan.
Was hoping maybe osu was sneaking away with some with how good they were the last few years and this one. Once the coach that turned it around left that's went out the window. Uw fan that always rooted against wsu and uo i always liked osu as second best of the northern 4 pac 12 schools.
You haven’t paid attention to Oregon State fans if you think there is any sort of despair, it’s a an energized fan base now that Smith is gone…Also WSU and OSU can and will be a 2 team conf for 2 years which is time to figure things out, I wouldn’t be so naive to think they are automatically going to be relegated to the MWC…But it is a easy and lazy take.
You should talk about the (most likely) down fall of group of 5 schools I don't see group of 5 schools lasting long because of all the BS of NIL the portal and conference realignment I just don't see group of 5 schools have a football program in the next 20-25 years NCAA is just in for the money with the P5 schools
I'm a ducks fan but overall Oregon team fan I feel bad for the beavers and what's going on it's absolutely a shame. Sorry to my beaver fans it does suck
As a video it’d be cool to see the rise and fall of the Lincoln Riley Sooners and then how the Sooners rebounded from what seemed hopelessness to a very bright future, and how in the opposite side USC has went down and how their future isn’t bad but definitely some question Marks
I still feel that California & Stanford going to the ACC is beyond stupid. Why exactly would the ACC even need those 2 teams anyway? Wait! Where is the Washington State video?
2021 AZ st. Vs beavs at Corvallis. Close game but their kicker looked like he ate a lil too much.. I started a burger boy chant that I felt bad but needed to get in his head… I don’t regret it my boy needed to lay off the burgs
Straight up trash what happened to OSU and WSU. Im hoping they can keep the PAC-12 name and rebuild but I know that's going to be a road filled with potholes and landmines.
It's not just wrong it's broken...if the big market schools think they are going to thrive when they take the show around the country they are mistaken. UW, UCLA, Oregon and USC are just a few losing seasons from being irrelevant.
If the pac-12 didn't implode like it did, i think Jonathan would still be the head coach, but money always talks, and it has killed a conference and left a up and coming football team but in bray we pray 🙏
Actually... You heard it here first... Washington ST and OSU are going to independent for the next 2 years then the Pac 12 will merg with the Mountain West and use the Pac 12 brand to still be a power 5 conference. I hope they learned from their mistakes and not charge extra for their network.
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I'm not a fan of this whole realignment thing outside of football who only plays once a week it's going to mess up other sports who travel more than one time a week. Like they should've done differently like maybe add some g5 teams to the p5 conference. I kind of think it's going to be a disaster
As an Oregon alum who has rooted against OSU for decades I really think it's tragic what happened to the Beavers. My heart goes out to them...
I'm also an Oregon alumni, but I don't feel bad at all. Every Beaver I've ever met has treated me like dirt.
Oregon state has an inferiority complex, which is going to be even worse now
@@scottbones a lot of my friends went to OSU so it's not personal to me, I say root for your enemies to succeed so that you look better in victory over them
Me too!!! This is a tragedy.
Cheers man. Holding out hope realignment will rear its ugly head again in a couple years and things will fall more in our favor. Best of luck in the B10
Also, destroying a 108 yr old conference and tossing out geographic conferences, tradition, and rivalries in favor of a short term cash grab is a huge part of the reason that college athletics are losing their luster. Not to mention the transfer portal/NIL being the wild west and favoring the big/rich schools by far. RIP CFB
The thing is if the schools are smart they will keep the rivalries. Yes they will be out of conference now but they still will have their effect they always do.
The cash is not short term what is you talking about? Also a lot of the rivalries are intact it’s not like a lot of the teams not going to the same conference.
CFB viewership has been declining. All this conference realignment is just a cash grab for media companies and is not going to be sustainable. The national championship had 22 million viewers last year. The week 5 SNF game between the Cowboys/Niners had like 35 million. CFB keeps trying to compete with the NFL for viewers/money when it is inevitably going to fail. No rivalries are not intact dude and anything that is still intact is a shadow of what it once was.@@commonsense3921
No at all. It is a terrible thing to do. The disparity between OSU and the Ducks in our dark years was significant even when we were in the same conference. Add in Phil Knights money, Big Ten money and recruits when OSU will making 4 million a yr in the MWC when UO makes 59 million or whatever it is and the rivalry game will be more than meaningless. OSU/WSU continuing rivalries with in-state counterparts does more harm than good and won't land them in a Power conference nor make enough financial difference to alter our course.@@sheayurkunas9513
@@commonsense3921do you blacks possess common sense? Do you know what that is? Try again, boy
I'm a diehard beaver fan. I appreciate the coverage of this situation. It definitely has been really tough being a beaver fan over the years. I think there is some optimism in the fan base at the moment despite all of this.
Same here
There better off in the mountain west believe me it might help instead of hurt them
@@garyrevilla8553 they’re
As a Duck fan, I think it’s truly a shame that OSU is going through this! It’s criminal that a great conference with a rich and storied tradition is no more simply due to $$ and tv deals! I never root against OSU unless they’re playing Oregon. Never been one of those fans! It’s heartbreaking that they are suffering and will continue to suffer. Once the portal opens on Monday they’re gonna lose every decent player they have! They’ll be competing with Boise State, Montana and San Diego State for players. The days of them competing against top tier teams will be over. They deserve much better!
well said
Appreciate the kindness. It’s rare
The insanity of this conference realignment cannot be overstated.
god this is brutal. i can’t imagine how i’d feel if my team essentially got relegated AND lost a beloved head coach
I'm not a student nor from Oregon, actually I'm from Mexico, obviously I root for my college football team BUT a cousin of mine who I consider a close friend gave me an OSU hoodie, I like it a lot and I use it a lot, by the time I didn't had a team to root for in the NCAA, I started to slowly follow OSU football, I became a Beavers fan, I'm even considering apply for study-aboard kind of semester there and it's just sucks how everything went with the PAC-12
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Dude, good luck, go for it ❤
As a huskies fan that’s has a parent that went to OSU, this is why conference realignment should never happen I feel so bad for you guys I would love to be a beav some day but with all this I just don’t know
Lifelong oregon resident and duck fan.. Half of my close friends and family are Beavers. The shock and disbelief on their faces the other day when their coach left, my heart goes out to them. The whole thing makes me sick, being left out of conference realignment. I really hope they can get into a power 5 conference or somehow find a way to make being an independent work. Definitely going to be rooting for them to have success.
As a huge LSU baseball fan, I would hate to see Oregon state's baseball program go downhill. They're one of the great college baseball programs.
According to multiple sources the DC at OSU Trent Bray was just named HC(a very popular pick), supposedly USC really wanted him as their new DC. Oregon State and WSU will regularly be ten win teams in the MW/Pac-2 merger conference that will happen after the court cases end. They will be regular contenders for the 12 team expanded playoffs as the best non-power 4 conference teams, I say this as a Duck alum. The schedule by the way is virtually done, both schools will play 7 MWC games plus their previously scheduled 3 out of conference games, that is ten out of twelve games, actually in the case of WSU they now have a 11th game against UW scheduled and OSU will likely have a 11th game against Oregon scheduled any day, Oregon is negotiating with Boise St and Texas Tech to re-schedule or cancel so the Civil War can continue, finding a single final 12th game will be easy for both schools. The seven game MWC schedule is a two year deal for 2024 and 2025 to give time for the court cases to finish. I am confident they will win the case and walk away with a couple hundred million dollars, precedent was already set by the conference when USC and UCLA left and got nothing, its a pretty clear cut case. The uncertainty will probably hurt recruiting for a couple of years but then they will bounce back becoming bigger badder versions of Boise St a few years ago or Cincinnati or more recently Tulane, regularly beating power 4 conference schools.
Great analysis. Thank you from an OSU alum/fan.
Going to be a fun thing to watch a West coast team have to fly 2500 miles over and over and see how that works as far as cost to the universities that are having to do that. Not only that some players may not want to do that and be happy to stay in the area instead of burn themselves out during finals and so on with all those long trips.
It’s sad seeing the PAC-12 go away, the fact that half of the teams are moving to the B1G (a Midwestern conference) and the ACC (an east coast conference) is definitely a head scratcher for me
1:59: With such a non descript football history, many people may not know that the school actually had a Heisman Trophy winner. Quarterback Terry Baker in 1962. He also won the Maxwell Trophy and was Sports Illustrated's Sportsman of the Year.
I can see why a coach would take a job in a better conference, but coach Smith had a good thing going at OSU. He had players that respected him, a university and fan base that loved him. Now, he burned those bridges and went to a MSU team that needs a lot of work. He might be successful, but he will forever be disliked by Oregon State university, fans and players.
One of the myriad of reasons I'm done watching CFB after this year. Wazzu and Oregon State belong in power 5 period. Pac 12 should still be a conference, period. Greed, corruption, and a need to fix what isn't broken led to this. Nothing else, period. Many great memories watching both these teams on otherwise lonely nights in college with the Pac12 after dark thing. Good riddance NCAA, don't let the door hit you on your way out!
The Pac-12 was broken, period. If you don't realize that, how fundamentally unsound it was compared to other conferences, you're dumb. Period. When a conference is less than a year away from having no TV deal, that's a problem. It's a sign something is "broken". That something is the perception of the conference. The leaders of the conference made plenty of baffling decisions that cost the conference money, namely moving the headquarters, as well as making their own network instead of partnering with someone. And then complacency from presidents like OSU's-who supported the person who did all this, Larry Scott-led to issues that led to the breakup. Is greed a part of it? Yes. But likely not how you think. Four teams held up the TV deal, one of them was Wazzu. So of course, teams who wanted a deal done and had options, left.
In the end, Oregon State and Washington State had a hand in their own situations. Did they have the most to do with it? No, but they did, and to pretend like they are just victims goes against reality.
@@kyletucker3811 Your point is what exactly within that wall of text? That I'm dumb for thinking that it's only getting worse from here on out. I'm a Nebraska fan and alum. Our school is going to be relegated out of power 5 within 10 years. Book it! It's going to be 2 super conferences with a college super bowl. Someone grab me a puke bucket. The little guy gets trampled on end of story.
@@andrewbsfootballarchives4247 Lmao
@@armstrongaddy1155 Must have missed the punchline somewhere? Enlighten me
@@andrewbsfootballarchives4247The fact your comment is a wall of text and then you try and knock me for having a wall of text. Pot, I'm kettle.
Also the fact you just exposed you're talking out of your ass with no understanding of why the Pac-12 broke up.
Seriously, wait until the transfer portal hits before you do WSU. No program will be more decimated. I'll be surprised if Dickert stays. Unfortunately for Oregon State and ourselves, we don't have much light at the end of the tunnel. We're in this together and we'll get through it. Go Cougs.
currently a student here at OSU, i’m concerned and curious how our football will look next year. We’ve lost many coaches and our conference, along with many important players. Damien Martinez staying is the only thing we have going for us right now.
think Idaho state
I pray for your Program this really sucks TCU fan here but I also understand if good players decide to leave this sad situation
Anyone remember the rodgers bros? They were fun to watch at oregon st yrs ago.
Should be a wake up call for the Vanderbilts and Rutgers of college football
As a Michigan State fan and alum I cannot begin to think how it’d feel to be a Beaver or Alum at this point. I will forever be a fan and pull for Oregon State. Both schools are Land Grant institutions with a lot of history. I’m of course thrilled to have Coach Smith but it’s bittersweet and I hate being looked at as the school that picked the bones of what is left of OSU.
as a UO alum, this is f'd up. UO joining the BIG10 seems like a tragedy. Cant believe it. If not the ACC they need to go independent
This Beaver fan does speak for Beaver fans.
The PAC 2 is a go for at least one year. They can milk the grace period for 2 years before they have to leave/merge the conference
Things I will point out as a fan/alum...
OSU has a Heisman (I know it was in 1962 but it is better than Princeton's nattys). OSU has several Biletnikoffs and produced many NFL players (Steven Jackson, Chad Johnson, TJ houshmandzadeh, Sammie Stroughter, Nick Barnett, Brandon Browner, Matt Moore, Derek Anderson, Brandon Cooks, Isaac Seumalo, Jordan Poyer, Jacquizz Rodgers, James Rodgers, Luke Musgrave, Isaiah Hodgins. Johnny Hekker, Steven Nelson, Rezjohn Wright, etc).
Beavs are not in a major metropolitan era and have always had to recruit 2-3 stars (almost all of whom rarely receive another P5 offer) to compete against the likes of USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington, etc (all of whom are better resourced).
In the past twenty years, they pulled off upsets against #3 USC in 2006, #2 Cal in 2007, #1 USC in 2008, #12 Wisconsin in 2012, #7 ASU in 2014, the Ducks in 2020 and 2022, among others.
As an LSU fan, I remember the 1962 Heisman won by Terry Baker because LSU halfback Jerry Stovall finished second. Baker was really incredible. Quarterback, point guard in basketball, and earning an engineering degree! Terry Baker and Jerry Stovall are both still living.
They had a good game in 2004, I think. LSU vs OSU baseball has also been good in recent years in the postseason.@@billwang4181
Usc was number 3 not 8
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OSU fan and a personal friend of Andrew here, everything he said, was right at the time. As of today, September 12, 2024, the Pac-12 but really the PAC-2 is still alive. And it was announced today that Boise State, Colorado State, Fresno State, and San Diego State have officially joined the conference. It will take affect in 2026, and as of now the conference will have 6 members. I had read today that they require 8 members minimum to be considered an NCAA conference. That just means I need 2 more between now and 2026. They are rebuilding, and it will never be the same as before, but the Conference of Champions will most likely live on…Go Beavs!
I’m a beaver fan who lives in Eugene, so this hurt so much to see. But good news is we hired DC Trent Bray as our new head coach!!
Most players outside of DJ U (portal) and Gould (declared for Draft) look to be staying at this point because we were able to lock Bray as HC. Still a lot of time before now and next season.
You forgot to mention the year that they upset mark sanchez and the usc Trojans that was a wild game
Trent Bray is the savior we need and deserve. Loyalty gets rewarded. #BrayArea
As a Beaver's fan I am so disappointed....Can't blame Coach Smith for bailing, but had hoped he would stay just because he was and is a Beaver. In my simple mind, his salary was good, how much money do you need? Go Beavs!.
Love the collaboration with Saturday Shenanigans! Great video you two!!
One thing out of this mess is that while they never were heated rivals Oregon State and Washington State fans are practically much closer now than ever before.
I really don't understand why the Big 12 left Oregon State behind. Oregon State doesn't have the big city feel of Tucson, Tempe, and Salt Lake or the hot new coach in Boulder, but little Corvallis, Oregon, is one of the best environments in the sport. It's not an easy place to play. Oregon State has the misfortune of being a power 5 environment stuck in a "group of 5 town." That's not meant to be an insult to Corvallis, but that's how the other major conferences view you. It's unfair for the Big 12 who has programs in rural locations like Corvallis and still does not give Oregon State an olive branch.
Because Oregon State has nothing to offer. The Big XII has absolutely nothing to gain from adding them. They have a small fanbase, little TV value, no history, and the only sport they're consistently good in is baseball which doesn't pay the bills. The Big XII would have to take a haircut on the next TV contract to take them, and it wouldn't even make sense when the ACC is the next conference on the chopping block with programs that would have way more to offer.
It's a sad situation but Oregon State has had over 100 years to establish itself as a legitimate brand and didn't do so. Statistically there has to be someone on the bottom end of history, and that happens to be Oregon State and Washington State.
I know this news came out after the video was posted, but the team and fan base are beyond stoked on the new hire of Trent Bray as head coach. Damien Martinez has continued to show loyalty as of now, and many of the players are consistently showing support towards the team on social media. It doesn’t guarantee a stay, but the loyalty and support is promising. I’m personally still hopeful for my school and its athletics. There will most definitely be a downfall, but I don’t think we are crashing and burning as hard as people think. A lot of people came to Oregon State because of the culture and coaching surrounding our athletics. Athletes have not gone to OSU for prestigiousness (minus baseball). We are close to figuring out our schedule for the next two years as well, so not all hope is lost!
You do know Martinez just got busted by the law don't you
@@YoshiYosheda If you look at when I made this comment, you’d see I posted this before that happened. I’m aware her got busted, but as of right now that has not had an impact on his spot on the team. He just won’t be in the bowl game
@@YoshiYoshedadidn’t realize the program hinged on Martinez playing the Sun Bowl
I think possible solution for Oregon State is they could join the ACC or Make Mountain West a new P5 conference. I think ACC could use Oregon TV market since they already getting Cal, Stanford. The other option is Make the Mountain West the new P5 conference (crazy but it just might work).
I doubt Oregon state would have the money to travel all the way to the east coast and they'll probably have to take a pay cut like cal and Stanford and I just don't see how they would make it a power 5 conference with two teams that nobody wanted....the American had better teams and still never got its power status back after they changed from the big east
Nah, it's just the Power 4 moving forward.
Big 12*
According to doesn’t want osu
@@get2choppa the big 12 the big 10 SEC and ACC don't want them if they did they would be in one the power 4
“He won’t be the underdog anymore.” Enter: Wolverines
As.a lifelong Beaver fan, I’m extremely pleased with the Trent Bray hire and pissed off at Jonathan Smith and the way he left.
“They don’t bring in the most money”. You said it right there. NCAA lost power and authority over NCAAF and now it has become about money and greed. That’s the sad part. You got some college players making more money than NFL players now and playing college football is now about who will pay more instead of which college will offer the best college experience for the STUDENT athlete.
That being said, OSU is screwed with all their debt and no big conference to support them. They just have to accept the fact that they’re considered a mid-tier program by college football.
Sir, I haven’t seen the Wazzu video about them getting left behind too. Please make one if you haven’t
As an OSU Alum from back in a day when getting into the stadium called Parker Stadium back then was a two drink minimum as football teams were just awful. We had terrible coaches with ridiculous records. Check out Joe Avezzano and his 4-67-2 four years. It’s just never been pretty good. Let’s not forget the famous Civil War game that ended in a 0-0 tie. Can you imagine watching two awful teams almost score for 3 1/2 hours? So yeah it has been hard to feel good about any period of time with Beaver Football because when things are clicking is about when things start falling apart. I really thought Smith would be different. So this one really hurts. He was one of us and came from us. After a lot of thinking I think that when it comes to the business of college sports, OSU has always been behind the 8 ball. Oregon has always marketed to out perform in athletics. They have a huge fan base mostly of non alumni because the fans see how serious they are about their sports. I would say we are occasionally passionate. Some times we are good, sometimes we are not. But it’s not something we tirelessly pursue to make right. We have tolerated crappy coaches because we don’t know when to say, this is no longer benefiting our university, time for change. And I suspect this is the same complacent attitude that has left us behind in the conference exodus. But we are still here. So when it comes to losing Smith, I blame our athletic department management for once again coming in a day late and dollar behind, etc. There are 3 types of people in this world. People that make things happen, people that watch things happen, and people that wonder what the hell just happened. I think we are the latter.
Hopefully OSU and WSU can find a good path forward. If all else fails we will welcome them with open arms in the MWC. Its a fun and competitive league that has some loyalty to each, other unlike the dumpster fire that the PAC12 turned into.
I used to love watching Mountain Weat football in the 2000’s. Some great teams and some fun football.
Somehow the PAC-2 need the Mountain West to join the PAC 12. And continue as the PAC 12. There is so much talent out there and what parents want to fly to Michigan,Ohio, NJ. Penn just to watch their son play football. When they can play at home in the new PAC 12.
That's our best case scenario but it really doesn't look likely. We'd need to add the best of the mountain west and try to sway a couple of competitive P5 schools to essentially lower their standards. We're holding out hope but the MW is looking most likely.
I worked in corvallis at the time the coach went to Michigan. One of the assistant coaches came in to get his oil changed and it was kinda brutal knowing he was gonna be out of work as he didn’t get the call to go to Michigan, and the new head coach was bringing in a whole new staff.
as a beaver fan thanks for brining light to this situation cause even before this nobody cared about us and its unfair that a team like rutgers is staying in power 5 when they have a much worse team than us
Rutgers makes money, OSU/WSU don't.
Rutgers isnt a one trick pony and has an actual history and brand 😂 one of the oldest football teams
Na we so back tho we just hired Trent bray and we have bright future
Maybe like Maryland, OSU, WAST, NEB, MINN, Wisconsin, you know the lower tier big 10 teams that have no shot of winning big ten can make there own conference 🤔
The destruction of the conference was the worst thing to happen to west coast football.
As a Boise State fan, welcome to the mountain west, usually a pretty top heavy conference in football with really low lows, basketball is gonna be great with you guys and Washington state though
Funny thing is wsu and osu aren't going to the mountain west 😂. But you are going to be upgraded to the new pac west giving Boise st more money and be in a power 5 conference finally. We have a 2 year grace period to rebuild the pac 12. All the mountain west team will come into our conference.
OSU and wsu isn't actually part of the MWC they can't even compete in Championship games for the Mountain west title.
@@michaeljoubert4107 I honestly hope that this happens so long as our Commissioner is in power, I think that the best thing that they can do is they keep the conferences separate but do some sort of relegation system with the top team in the mountain west moving to the pac-12 and the worst team in the PAC moving to the mountain west. They would also need to get a couple more schools to join in because a conference needs at least 8 schools, so idk maybe take like North Dakota State and South Dakota State or possibly poach some other teams in the Group of Five.
WSU grad here waiting for that video! We were left behind just the same and not very long ago we had a terrific program!
Oregon State and Washington State being left behind reminds me of UConn missing out in the early 2010s. I remember going to UConn games before the old Big East split. My father was able to get suite tickets through his job. Games were no where near the same before the program declined and the end of the old conference.
Pac 12 should get Boise state, San Diego state, Unlv, Fresno state, Nevada . Also it’ll probably some teams that move up get them. Try to get notre dame too
Hawaii and San Jose state make sense too. Montana would be an intriguing addition if they moved up.
@@deakon071 yup if they get notre dame as the top tier program and balance it out, that’ll be a nice conference
Notre Dame will never play in that bum ass conference 😂
Naw ND would probably join ACC or Big 15 (I belive)
@@mikaylafaithparteli9412 it don’t hurt to try to get them is what I’m saying
Whats going to happen to Oregon State? What do you think of all this alignment stuff?
Hate it.
As a coug, COULD NOT hate it more.
I wish Alabama or Georgia could just have a taste of disappointment not even as bad as us but maybe lose 2 games a season or something 😂 I’m sad and every fan base is just mean saying we ass anyways
They will recreate a new pac 12 with the mountain west schools and maintain power 5 status.
Oregon State and Washington State are screwed. Their days of even sniffing national relevancy have come to an end. This won’t be the last time this realignment BS ends programs and kills rivalries/fanbases. Unfortunately, college sports are now ran by TV companies who only care about profit. And the fans, per usual, are the ultimate losers
feels like their best option would be to beg the ACC to take them in on a discount like Stanford & Cal. If they join the mountain west they're pretty much doomed however they would be able to bank on the ACC staying alive or potentially jumping ship if it falls apart. All speculation though and everything would need to go right for it to work
It sucks, but I did hear Oregon was trying to get them into the BIG10, but I guess suing Oregon and Washington things changed things.
Considering everything that happened to the Beavs, they are rebounding and have momentum.. I think the future of Beaver Nation will be just fine
I used to live in Oregon and I always cheered for the beavers 🦫 over the ducks 🦆 I like the fans better whole thing is kinda sad
As the biggest Beaver fan ever I am really saddened that this is happening
The greed and lack of integrity/honor in college football is killing the sport of college football. Shame on USC, ESPN, Fox and the Big Ten.
They’ll be fine.
They’ll figure it out.
Rooting for them.
How can you not love beavs?
I’m shocked the coach who was an alumn left for msu. Msu is a basketball school that thinks it’s a football school. JS won’t last with the high expectations they have and MSU will never finish anywhere near the top with the realignment.
Long rebuild for them , signed a Michigan fan
@@mikaylafaithparteli9412 They’re never going to see the success they had under Dantonio. Michigan being that bad for that long was an anomaly. Combine that with Oregon, Washington, USC, and UCLA and it’s much worse. It’s gonna be tougher for everybody, especially the traditional 6-6, 8-4 type programs like MSU.
I feel bad for Corvallis and Pullman.
What’s weird is there brand new stadium wasn’t even full against Washington.
That's actually not that weird. Sorta normal most years.
It was sold out. Every game this year was sold out. Sometimes people don't show up. It was pretty nasty weather for Washington.
Yeah, the portal. Probably going to be a lot of players leaving. I feel bad for the fans at Oregon State.
A similar video on Washington St would be cool!!
The oregon fan side of me feels no pity to them but the CFB fan side of me thinks it’s extremely unfair I feel for oregon state fans as a CFB fan they should definitely be in a conference sad times CFB is in
Sad for sure! Gonna be a tough road! Recruiting will be tough , i don't blame people for leaving, love my beavers but tough years to come
How can the Big 12 or Big 10 keep out their baseball team? It’s always dominant. It’s not just footbal
Beavs baseball is elite
At 4:47 “the PAC-12 decided to dismantle…” FALSE
USC decided to leave for the Big 10 and was quickly followed by UCLA. Other teams in the PAC-12 recognized the monetary impact that would have on their conference and bailed (tho “bailed” implies an effort to save a ship versus rats abandoning a ship).
The truth is a single team precipitated the collapse of the PAC-12, and then nine of the remaining eleven self-dismantled. The Pac-12 per se did not dismantle.
P.S. I am a Duck fan.
Was hoping maybe osu was sneaking away with some with how good they were the last few years and this one. Once the coach that turned it around left that's went out the window. Uw fan that always rooted against wsu and uo i always liked osu as second best of the northern 4 pac 12 schools.
i love saturday shenanigans! great video!!
death penalty for no reason.
Really loved this video. Guest speaker was awesome!
You haven’t paid attention to Oregon State fans if you think there is any sort of despair, it’s a an energized fan base now that Smith is gone…Also WSU and OSU can and will be a 2 team conf for 2 years which is time to figure things out, I wouldn’t be so naive to think they are automatically going to be relegated to the MWC…But it is a easy and lazy take.
4:24 Some good QB play!?!?😂 We through 4 picks against Utah and a handful against US and our QB barely got to 150 yards every game
He was solid and a hell of a lot better then sending out a true freshman to lead the team for the year.
@@insertjokeh3r3 He was one of the worst power 5 quarter backs and Chiles is definitely way better. There’s a reason Chiles got playing time
please do rise of unlv again
I think they may end up in the mountain west. I think they would be dominate there and move to a better one after.
Lowkey sad
I blame the BG10 and SEC Conferences for this mess. Why couldn't Oregon State or Washington State join the Big XII Conference?
Trent Bray can stop the mass exodus and slow the hemorrhaging. Keep the spotlight on us for the 2 year BIG stall and make a cfp 🦫
It's a shame that the pac12 leaders couldn't get their heads out of their butts to save the conference before this crap happened....
You should talk about the (most likely) down fall of group of 5 schools I don't see group of 5 schools lasting long because of all the BS of NIL the portal and conference realignment I just don't see group of 5 schools have a football program in the next 20-25 years NCAA is just in for the money with the P5 schools
UConn, Rice, USF and Temple used to be in power conferences. It's happened before and will happen again.
I'm a ducks fan but overall Oregon team fan I feel bad for the beavers and what's going on it's absolutely a shame. Sorry to my beaver fans it does suck
As a video it’d be cool to see the rise and fall of the Lincoln Riley Sooners and then how the Sooners rebounded from what seemed hopelessness to a very bright future, and how in the opposite side USC has went down and how their future isn’t bad but definitely some question Marks
I was an osu fan growing up only cause my older brother was a major ducks fan
I still feel that California & Stanford going to the ACC is beyond stupid. Why exactly would the ACC even need those 2 teams anyway?
Wait! Where is the Washington State video?
How do you get left out of the power 5? Who’s job is that, Uni president? Athletic director?
2021 AZ st. Vs beavs at Corvallis. Close game but their kicker looked like he ate a lil too much.. I started a burger boy chant that I felt bad but needed to get in his head… I don’t regret it my boy needed to lay off the burgs
Straight up trash what happened to OSU and WSU. Im hoping they can keep the PAC-12 name and rebuild but I know that's going to be a road filled with potholes and landmines.
Too much negativity. Oregon State and Wazzu will prevail.
New sub for you SS. I hope we have a great reset in CFB. Where they choose 60 teams and divide them by region again.
My home town team is falling apart😢
It's not just wrong it's broken...if the big market schools think they are going to thrive when they take the show around the country they are mistaken. UW, UCLA, Oregon and USC are just a few losing seasons from being irrelevant.
We need California, Texas, & Florida schools for there recruits and TV media deals.
All I'm saying is it would be awesome if chad johnson (Ochocinco) came back to oregon state to be the head coaches
Aiden Chiles is so outta there 😂😂😂
If the pac-12 didn't implode like it did, i think Jonathan would still be the head coach, but money always talks, and it has killed a conference and left a up and coming football team but in bray we pray 🙏
Going to the Sun Bowl vs Notre Dame on CBS
Im a wsu fan. We are in this together osu!
Actually... You heard it here first... Washington ST and OSU are going to independent for the next 2 years then the Pac 12 will merg with the Mountain West and use the Pac 12 brand to still be a power 5 conference. I hope they learned from their mistakes and not charge extra for their network.