Hi there, beautiful video. I have 58 and thinking about getting 58x for my office use. I was searching for 58x preheat routine and stumbled upon your video. It helped me make my decision, thank you 🙏
I gave myself 3:55min to watch this video and I really appreciate it!! thanks for making it and posting it.. I wish one day this will become my morning routine 🤤😊👌
Beautiful Videos, I’m so surprised how little views you’re getting cause the content is super high quality and entertaining definitely will subscribe and wait for more!
… my Arco grinder recommends 0-30 for espresso, but I couldn’t achieve sufficient pressure. Only after I dialed grind below 0-20 and smaller - was I able to able to achieve 9 bars on my Flair 58 with longer shot/extraction times ~20 secs; recently I’ve seen others recommend Arco settings between 0-10 & 0-16 for espresso
Very nice set up, love it. I have the 58+ with Normcore walnut tamper + Ekg kettle too. I really like the Sinonimo knock box, but it is pretty costly...
Hi Shoichi, I really love this video. I have some confuse between flair 58 and flair 58x. How long have you need to pre-heat the flair 58x and the highest temputure can you made with this way. Thanks and have a good day!
Thanks! I have never measured it, but I heard 58x takes few minutes longer to reach the highest temperature compared to 58. I personally don't wait that long (maybe 1 minute max after boil) anyway since I feel the few degrees difference won't affect the final cup.
I thought the whole purpose of the 58x was to not have to remove anything to pre-heat. You preheat it with water and purge it. Saves having to loosen the set screw every time.
Not sure where you got that information? At least, the steam pre-heating is what Flair recommends for 58x. Nonetheless, keen to know if there's any better ways. th-cam.com/video/PoLeUv8oYpw/w-d-xo.html
@Shoichi I'm not sure how old yours is, but the ones made in the last half year or so are allow you to pour water in the top (fully assembled and in stand), pull up the handle to draw in the hot water, let it sit to preheat, pull down the handle to purge, and it's ready to go. Have a look at some of the other 58x demonstrations on TH-cam. The whole point of the 58x is not to have to use it like the less expensive pro 2, etc
Not saying you can't do it the way you are but it was designed to be easier do use than the less expensive models. th-cam.com/video/kf33Zum1Lgw/w-d-xo.html
Nice video. I have almost the same setup (comandante c40 instead of arco) Everytime I start with the plunger down, somehow there is air in the system. Reason why I always fill the chamber, then put the plunger and press.
That's true. I usually let the air escape by lifting the handle once or twice while filling the water. But I guess if you are not brewing back-to-back, attaching the plunger after the fill might be a better workflow.
Im looking into getting a 58 but idk if my grinder would be up for espresso. Im currently using a Kinu M47 classic and ive been making some great pourovers with it and i definitely want to step up my coffee game and start trying my hand at espresso. Will my Kinu be good enough for the 58 or do i need to buy a new grinder for it?
Haven't tried Kinu for myself so can't fully speak for it, but considering it has the same burr size as ARCO, it should do the job. Especially if you're just starting, I'd recommend avoiding high upfront investment as you never know how much you'd enjoy the espresso game. If you do, you'll naturally know when to upgrade 😉
@be_shoichi Thanks, I was thinking about getting either the 2.0 or the 58, mainly for the pressure gauge and I'm leaning more towards the 58 because the portafilter is a more common size and interchangeability. And to be honest I'm not too worried about the higher price tag of the 58 only because I know I do enjoy espresso but would like to learn how at home. Also I'm a manual machine nut (why I bought a kinu) and the cost for the 58 is literally only 100 dollars more than the grinder I'm using. I'll be doing a bit more research while I'm saving and thanks again for the info 👍👍
@@СтасГрищук-ц7б The good thing is it's wireless so it's portable. You can bring it around the kitchen or outdoors too. And it's cheaper. So if you like that, I think it's a good choice.
I'd recommend Leaves Coffee Roasters for third wave, Kabuki for OG kissaten vibe, Koffee Mameya Kakeru for more contemporary stuffs, and Bear Pond Espresso for their signature "Angel Stain". Hope you enjoy your time there!
@@be_shoichi amazing, thank you. also should ask, I'm having trouble between deciding between the 58 and 58x, how do you find the workflow of the 58x, and do you think it still does lighter roasts just fine without the electric preheating?
the body is a large piece of steel, do you find pre-heating using the steam is enough? I am thinking to buy Flair 58 X, I just dislike the 58 with its ugly power supply and i also don't like that it require power.
I haven't done or seen any side-by-side comparison with the 58 so cannot speak for it, but I feel 58x pre-heats well enough. It becomes very hot to the touch just like how James Hoffmann mentioned in his video reviewing the 58. At least, it's not bothering me in terms of the workflow or the quality of the espresso.
Thanks! It's a random item I found online, so I don't have a brand name. Probably you can find something similar by searching "espresso shot glass wood handle"' on Google :)
@@be_shoichi Thanks for the reply. Will do that. One more question if you don't mind. Which basket will you recommend? Have you used the High flow by Flair?
It was an espresso blend (Brazil, Columbia and Ethiopia) at medium to dark roast. The liquid is just filtered water. You can find out more by looking up RDT (Ross Droplet Technique).
Right now I am using 0/26 (Number 26 on Level 0) for medium-light roasted beans. I usually adjust between 0/22 and 0/28 depending on the roast level so that the total brewing time will be around 30 seconds at 9 bar. Hope that gives you some reference points!
eline sağlık çok güzel.Ama çok abartı ve uğraştırıcı geldi bana.Gereksiz çok malzeme.Çektiğin toz kahveyi al 1 bardak suya at karıştırarak kaynat iç birde öyle dene.
Hi there, beautiful video. I have 58 and thinking about getting 58x for my office use. I was searching for 58x preheat routine and stumbled upon your video. It helped me make my decision, thank you 🙏
Glad to hear! 58x in office sounds like an awesome idea.
I gave myself 3:55min to watch this video and I really appreciate it!! thanks for making it and posting it.. I wish one day this will become my morning routine 🤤😊👌
I love how extra people are about espresso. 😊
I've barely scratched the surface 😂
@@be_shoichi yes! be more extra. Its chicken soup for my OCD soul.
Beautiful Videos, I’m so surprised how little views you’re getting cause the content is super high quality and entertaining definitely will subscribe and wait for more!
Thank you for sharing this masterpiece
Brilliant video, mate. I've seen it like two dozen times.
have a flair 58 and the arco hand grinder. my grinder got sorted with the too coarse problem with shims. Now I'm grinding at the same range as yours.
… my Arco grinder recommends 0-30 for espresso, but I couldn’t achieve sufficient pressure. Only after I dialed grind below 0-20 and smaller - was I able to able to achieve 9 bars on my Flair 58 with longer shot/extraction times ~20 secs; recently I’ve seen others recommend Arco settings between 0-10 & 0-16 for espresso
Amazing. Keep up the good work and content. I am flashed about your capture and recordings 👌🏽
Beautiful setting and great aesthetics of the video! Love your set-up and I'm also thinking of getting the Flair!
Great video 99/100. For that mirror shot, it would have been 100/100 to have a different more close up angle
Haha, yeah I felt that shot was a bit long and pointless too. Thanks for watching every frame of the video 😁
This set up is freshhhhh!
Really clean! Wish you can make a home tour soon!
Maybe one day! I'm now working on a desk tour so that's coming soon.
@@be_shoichi Nice to know that! I’ll be waiting
Very nice set up, love it. I have the 58+ with Normcore walnut tamper + Ekg kettle too. I really like the Sinonimo knock box, but it is pretty costly...
Thanks! I also hope there would be more good looking knock boxes out there to choose from...
pppplease do a desk setupp!!
love it
Hi Shoichi, I really love this video. I have some confuse between flair 58 and flair 58x. How long have you need to pre-heat the flair 58x and the highest temputure can you made with this way. Thanks and have a good day!
Thanks! I have never measured it, but I heard 58x takes few minutes longer to reach the highest temperature compared to 58. I personally don't wait that long (maybe 1 minute max after boil) anyway since I feel the few degrees difference won't affect the final cup.
I thought the whole purpose of the 58x was to not have to remove anything to pre-heat. You preheat it with water and purge it. Saves having to loosen the set screw every time.
Not sure where you got that information? At least, the steam pre-heating is what Flair recommends for 58x. Nonetheless, keen to know if there's any better ways.
th-cam.com/video/PoLeUv8oYpw/w-d-xo.html
@Shoichi I'm not sure how old yours is, but the ones made in the last half year or so are allow you to pour water in the top (fully assembled and in stand), pull up the handle to draw in the hot water, let it sit to preheat, pull down the handle to purge, and it's ready to go.
Have a look at some of the other 58x demonstrations on TH-cam. The whole point of the 58x is not to have to use it like the less expensive pro 2, etc
Not saying you can't do it the way you are but it was designed to be easier do use than the less expensive models.
th-cam.com/video/kf33Zum1Lgw/w-d-xo.html
I see, I'll try and see how it works. Thanks for letting me know!
Beautiful
Nice video. I have almost the same setup (comandante c40 instead of arco)
Everytime I start with the plunger down, somehow there is air in the system. Reason why I always fill the chamber, then put the plunger and press.
That's true. I usually let the air escape by lifting the handle once or twice while filling the water. But I guess if you are not brewing back-to-back, attaching the plunger after the fill might be a better workflow.
Brilliant video! Can you tell me the name of the knock box in the video?
Thanks! It's from a brand called Sinonimo.
Im looking into getting a 58 but idk if my grinder would be up for espresso. Im currently using a Kinu M47 classic and ive been making some great pourovers with it and i definitely want to step up my coffee game and start trying my hand at espresso. Will my Kinu be good enough for the 58 or do i need to buy a new grinder for it?
Haven't tried Kinu for myself so can't fully speak for it, but considering it has the same burr size as ARCO, it should do the job. Especially if you're just starting, I'd recommend avoiding high upfront investment as you never know how much you'd enjoy the espresso game. If you do, you'll naturally know when to upgrade 😉
@be_shoichi Thanks, I was thinking about getting either the 2.0 or the 58, mainly for the pressure gauge and I'm leaning more towards the 58 because the portafilter is a more common size and interchangeability. And to be honest I'm not too worried about the higher price tag of the 58 only because I know I do enjoy espresso but would like to learn how at home. Also I'm a manual machine nut (why I bought a kinu) and the cost for the 58 is literally only 100 dollars more than the grinder I'm using. I'll be doing a bit more research while I'm saving and thanks again for the info 👍👍
Can you recommend it without preheating system?
@@СтасГрищук-ц7б The good thing is it's wireless so it's portable. You can bring it around the kitchen or outdoors too. And it's cheaper. So if you like that, I think it's a good choice.
Where did you get the rubber grommet or the bottom of the piston?
That's included in the package if you get the 58x.
@@be_shoichi hmmm ok I just unboxed mine and it I didnt get that.. I will give them a call
beautiful brew bar and video! any recommendations for coffee in tokyo? will be moving there next year!
I'd recommend Leaves Coffee Roasters for third wave, Kabuki for OG kissaten vibe, Koffee Mameya Kakeru for more contemporary stuffs, and Bear Pond Espresso for their signature "Angel Stain". Hope you enjoy your time there!
@@be_shoichi amazing, thank you. also should ask, I'm having trouble between deciding between the 58 and 58x, how do you find the workflow of the 58x, and do you think it still does lighter roasts just fine without the electric preheating?
How many grams coffee beans and shoot result?
I don't remember exactly but probably around the standard 1:2 ratio. 18 grams in, 36 grams out.
Super. Thanks.
ウチにもこんなマシン欲しい！
why did you turn it into candy?!! It was going so well....
You sometimes need a cheat day 😚
Hi friend!!! What a neat job! Can you please tell me the ISO and shutter speed were on auto? I can see the hand strobe at the beginning of the video))
Yup, it was filmed in auto 😅
Clean 👌
A fellow Sigma FP and coffee fan - love to see it! Great video.
For the slowmo, is that upscaled from 12-bit 1080 footage?
That's amazing, thanks for commenting! And you're right, it's a 1080 footage upscaled to UHD.
the body is a large piece of steel, do you find pre-heating using the steam is enough? I am thinking to buy Flair 58 X, I just dislike the 58 with its ugly power supply and i also don't like that it require power.
I haven't done or seen any side-by-side comparison with the 58 so cannot speak for it, but I feel 58x pre-heats well enough. It becomes very hot to the touch just like how James Hoffmann mentioned in his video reviewing the 58. At least, it's not bothering me in terms of the workflow or the quality of the espresso.
@@be_shoichi even for light roast?
@@HaveAGoodHeart We are talking about home cafe grade, but yes!
@@be_shoichi then this is good, bcos 58x can last longer.
Brilliant video! What cup do you use for the espresso shot, the one with the handle? It looks quite fancy 😁
Thanks! It's a random item I found online, so I don't have a brand name. Probably you can find something similar by searching "espresso shot glass wood handle"' on Google :)
@@be_shoichi Thanks for the reply. Will do that. One more question if you don't mind. Which basket will you recommend? Have you used the High flow by Flair?
what beans did you use? and what is that liquid spray you put in coffee beans before grinding. thank you!
It was an espresso blend (Brazil, Columbia and Ethiopia) at medium to dark roast. The liquid is just filtered water. You can find out more by looking up RDT (Ross Droplet Technique).
Hi! What grind level and number are you using on the Arco? I'm still trying to dial it in with my Cafelat Robot.
Right now I am using 0/26 (Number 26 on Level 0) for medium-light roasted beans. I usually adjust between 0/22 and 0/28 depending on the roast level so that the total brewing time will be around 30 seconds at 9 bar. Hope that gives you some reference points!
@@be_shoichi Thank you!
what kind of shot mirror is that and how does it stick to the Flair? with sticker?
It's from Normcore, and yes it has a sticker under the base. The mirror and the base are detachable by magnet so it's a pretty neat product.
how many watts is the Arco?
It’s 200W.
What size tamper 58.35 or 58.5 ?
It's the 58.5.
Why did u choose a 58x over 58?
Personally I didn't see the value of paying 100 USD more. Vague and fixed temperature control, cheap construction (relative to other components) etc.
@@be_shoichi got it. thanks for the reply!
かんぺきです
Did you preheat on top on the kettle?
Yes, unlike the 58 model, 58x requires separate preheating.
And how much time does it take to reach the right temperature after the water started to boil?
@@skublicsgergely I usually let it sit for few seconds after the boil and I feel it's good to go.
@@be_shoichi thank you!
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eline sağlık çok güzel.Ama çok abartı ve uğraştırıcı geldi bana.Gereksiz çok malzeme.Çektiğin toz kahveyi al 1 bardak suya at karıştırarak kaynat iç birde öyle dene.
Couple of ideas:
A Flair & Arco cleaning video with the same aesthetic.
&
A video with the frozen steel ball.