Could Knuckle Defeat MERUEM? (Yes, however...)
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Hey if Kurapika remove his curse on his heart that he can use the ability in his middle finger so he could use a sezu chain on meruen?
Can you make a video on some succession war match ups
Beyond vs Botabai
Beyond vs ging
Ging vs pariston
Kurapika vs chrollo
Chrollo vs hisoka
Hisoka vs illumi
Zodiac vs spiders
Benjamin vs Tserranich
Camilla vs hasenburg
Leorio vs pariston
Weird what if but I wonder what would happen if netero changed his mind and didn't use the rose on meruem and instead they both tried to create a "world of equals" why would Issac change his mind? Simple the same reason I could see hisoka joining the ant king. Because it will be the birth of a stronger humanity overall or strong humans along side strong ants sounds like heaven for nen users who love fighting in my opinion
I'm actually wondering how long and many times does Phinks have to twist his arm to be able to one shot Meruem.
His arm would fall off 😂
Phinks could twist his arm until the sun burns out and still not generate enough Nen for a one-shot. Meruem's just built different, you know? Like, imagine trying to knock over Mount Everest with a feather. It's not happening! 😂💀
i'm guessing he can't out put more than his total aura capacity in one go so the answer is never enough
Over 9000
I feel like even if he could generate enough power to beat Meruem in a single hit the power of it would also most likely kill himself as well, arm just goes kaboom along with the rest of him.
I could see Meruem reflexively killing Knuckle and Meleoron with his tail when Knuckle punches Meruem. Then it's just a confused Meruem standing over two corpses as a post-mortem APR slowly bankrupts him.
Not a exactly a win, but definitely a big help to anyone else that wants to give it a go.
Oh yeah i forgot about post mortem nen.
With how big of a amp death is apr could potentialy Bankrupt him in mere minutes
He wouldn't even go bankrupt because he'd immidiatly repay and kill Knuckle in a single swipe lol
He'd never know APR was even on him
i wonder if post mortem APR will bankrupt permanently since it would be more powerful
@@logan-vq3dm no because post mortem APR is impossible. For Knuckle to die APR has to be repaid, thus deactivating it
@@skales3864 lol totally blanked on that. Then what are the odds of Meruem killing just Meleoron and the post mortem nen making Knuckle a ghost forever, allowing him to win?
The "what if" team that could have possibly killed Mereum outright would have been Knov + Meleoron. If Knov didn't get hit with the PTSD of Pitou's En, his "teleport your head off your shoulders" move plus Meleoron's invisibility would have been a game ender in one go.
Can you prove this 'ignores Durabiltiy'?
@@slevinchannel7589 yes because durability doesnt make you immune to teleportation
@@suryanshbiswas Cool but Nen isnt all powerful
@@slevinchannel7589 Thats debatable since Ai exists. Her abilities could very well be nen related unless togashi adds a new power system later on.
@@mustafahassan7781 He already has confirmed it and Liam has a video about it
Even without nen, Meruem's body is naturally stronger than a human's.
Even with nen protection, I don't think Knuckle could run away from Meruem, let alone survive a single blow from him.
he didnt even user aura to beat netero did he? just pure speed and strength
I was thinking the same thing. The king without nen will still be able to kill with strength alone. But though he has a very tough body he is still vulnerable to nen strikes. Because he doesn't have nen to protect his innards .
No, that's cap. Meruem never developed hatsu or anything, but he uses nen to envelop his body and fight. We can see him use ten/ren in multiple manga panels as well as anime scenes. If Knuckle uses KO on a meruem with no nen it will kill him, or at the least it will deal serious damage.
@@xarion69 he may have used some subconsciously to strengthen him but still its so little and untrained removing nen doesn't make a huge difference
I was going to write that haha, absolutely fair
For some reason, the idea of Meruem setting up a website to advertise his Empire of Ants is very funny to me.
Wow, a Video mentioning Nen: that i would live to see this day
New video: What if Meruem was part of the Succession War?!?
Could Knuckle, after having hit Meruem once with like 200 aura, maybe just invite the king for a game of Gungi and survive the game for that long because he takes a few minutes for every move he will make?
genious
That could work if knuckle as good as komugi lol
What a Genius strategy. Except for being in the presence of the King for that long is just plain suicide. Even before he got the ability to read minds from Pouf, he was already excellent at mind games.
I don’t think it’s gonna work
Nah idk the rules but i Don't think a game takes more than 15 Min meruem would be really pissed and kill him
Nanika's probably the only known living thing that can one shot Meruem, of course excluding the dark continent creatures.
Well yeah, but she's a dark continent creature as well, so that doesn't really count
But CAN Nanika one shot Meruem? Thing is, if the kind of creature Nanika is was some all-power wish granting creature, they'd probably not be listed as a threat in a list of presumably equatible terrors. It'd be THE terror. Idk if it's limitless. Humans are relatively weak and the consequences of actions could be reversed enough to save his life, but Gon STILL lost his nen... I think that alone implies there's a kind of limit, because Gon couldn't be healed fully back to normal. Meruem is almost undeniably the strongest we've seen in the story, and I feel like there may be an almost a way of rationalizing that if Gon "might even sink his fangs into the king" in adult form, as Pitou said, and Nanika couldn't even fully reverse the consequences of that power, perhaps killing Meruem IS beyond the realm of possibility for Nanika. Because in my opinion, adult Gon might've been closer to the Meruem Pitou knew, but post-rose Meruem was a whole 'nother monster. I honestly want to think he was beyond some "instant win" button.
Do you think Nanika would make request to someone if she was hidden by Meleoron using God's Accomplice?
According to rules about Nanika wishes she won't make request to the last person she made requests to or if she doesn't know their name so if she doesn't know Meleoron's name or he was the last person she made requests to and then Meleoron takes her to one of Meruem's royal guards using God's Accomplice to keep them hidden and tells Nanika their names then Nanika makes several requests to one of them and because they ignore her requests they fail and when some fails they die and the person they care about most also dies and we know the most important person to the royal guards is king Meruem.
@@khoblivion8215 I made a comment on questioning if Nanika could even wish or command Meruem away... which I don't think she can... this is an interesting take though... I think that might work, because unlike killing them randomly just "cuz someone wished it" this kind of instant kill is far more conditional and is basically a potentially unbeatable strategy. That said, it depends on a few things... in my comment, I assumed it's a power Nanika exerts, likely intertwined with nen that she uses to kill or grant wishes... I'm THINKING the death by requests works differently than a "kill" wish. I'm thinking it probably works more like nen conditions, which basically just work like cause and effect. Nanika can't even undo the basic condition Gon faced, which was forfeiting his nen, she just saved his life. So, to go into a bit of headcanon, the "Codependence of Desire" used to describe Ai might be a form of basic nen contract... nen might also be far more of a pervasive natural force in the world than we understand if that's the case... like, by wishing, you form a contract that makes it to where there's a price you'll need to pay. Maybe the Ai don't even need to tell you or imply that, but it just works. I guess the process of nearly any wish is the ignorance of not knowing there'll be a price maybe? In any case, if it's like a nen contract, and nen contracts work like causality, then I think your idea works, because it's relying on some natural force that carries out nen (this force could also explain post-mortem nen)... tbh if this worked, it'd likely mean that Nanika's wishes work the same way, meaning she COULD kill Meruem... so maybe the Ai are just physical beings that have an inherent ability to force a nen contract with other living beings and are naturally attuned to making things happen through some natural force that carries out the functions of Nen abilities...
... and if that rant was confusing asf, I'm a dumbass, and if it were true, Togashi would probably come up with an explanation... mostly less convoluted xD
Nanika could fulfill a wish to kill Meruem, but the cost in lives would be insane. Heck, it might kill the whole human race. Remember the rules of the ability.
Killua could potentially command Nanika to do it, but I don’t think that occurred to him maybe until they were already in the thick of things. They didn’t realize how strong the ants were until Kite was already defeated. Gon wouldn’t leave after that, and Killua didn’t want to leave Gon. Not to mention they had to defeat knuckle and shoot in 30 days. He maybe also just didn’t want to reveal that he could abuse Nanika’s ability to his family. He only used Nanika when it was absolutely necessary to save Gon. So there’s a few good reasons why he didn’t use Nanika.
The problem is that if you push the King into a corner he will be forced to develop a Hatsu and it will just counter whatever he's facing. Even if he runs into trouble with APR he could just develop a technique to do nen exorcism.
Yeah that was the case until we found out that Meruem was not a Specialist. I'm still wondering why Togashi did that,it makes Meruem less scary.
@@caliqm2199He's still an emitter with almost unlimited aura - he can do literally anything with it. His En literally cannot be matched. The first Dispelling nen ability was a conjurer ability too - not specialist. Meruem can also develop a specialist ability - it's not impossible to get one later in life.
@@caliqm2199Netero is pure Enhancer and his Hatsu is literally utilizing both Conjuration and Manipulation, his two worst affinities. Mereum has Unlimited potential grow and develop if he's put into a situation where he has to.
@@caliqm2199 I disagree, you can be threatening w/o being a le secret ultra rare specialist class. Meruem doesn't even need a hatsu. He's so strong he can one shot basically anything, and durable enough to effortlessly tank Netero, a GOAT hunter and one of the strongest of all time. Meruem didn't even unleash his full potential. He may have developed a hatsu if given more time. And that is why he needed to be assassinated ASAP
Ah yes... My anti-APR technique. Haven't used that since the Heian era.
Maybe the stronger the opponent, the closer Knucle has to be for the debt to increase.
Bro would practically need to be frenching post-rose Meruem.
He needs to stay close enough for a long time to get enough interest to bankrupt him. Meruem has a lot of aura.
Knuckle solos Meruem, mid diff.
Liam I think I could beat meruem
Whats your nen ability
Yeah, the clear choice is Knov + Meleoron. _(using Scream)_
But even that is more complicated than it looks. Chimera ants can survive after being cut in two. And Meruem is an Emitter. So, it's possible that his decapitated head could pull a Majin Buu and escape the dimension it's sent to by teleporting.
Yeah. Kurapika reinforced by Nen was slightly stronger than Uvogin's natural physical brawn without Nen. Does anyone truly think that Knuckle reinforced with Nen will be physically stronger than Merumen's natural brawn? He'll be nowhere near. He still doesn't stand a chance.
And we have to take into account how much he will have to deplete his nen reserves to deliver a high principal to Meruem.
@@Dronebertios_World I believe his nen gets returned after bankrupting someone, not that it matters.
Yeah this scenario leaves Knuckle with no nen or almost no Nen left as well, so really at that point its just a martial artist Vs. A super predator
what are you talking about. Kurapika reinforced by nen was strong enough to fight on par with uvogin fully powered up. Uvo without nen wouldn't even be able to dent kurapika with nen
@@Yoofen buddy, Kurapika made that statement verbatim
The only way I could ever imagine them winning against Mereum with aggression is if they used Kurapika’s steal chain ability to give Knuckles ability to Netero. Then perhaps they may be able to take down his physical body, idk
Not even that would work, as only Netero’s Guanyin could touch Meruem, and the user needs physical contact to activate Hakoware.
Knovs scream combined with perfect plan/perfect plan would actually one shot meruem. honestly they should have just hired illimi. Combine perfect plan with needle men and he wins
Do you think that an Illumi's needle could penetrate Meruem's "skin"? manipulator are the answer I agree but must be another one like that girl from York new city ark.
The needle would never penetrate his skin. Zero Hand barely scratched the ant king
What about the kiss lady?
Lizard to disappear
Musical midget to lower king's sences
Kiss lady to turn king into a dog
@@csr8924 if she somehow manages to kiss him i bet her ability would work, unless it specifically targets humans. That being said, it's not viable considering Meruem looks down on humans and only sees them as food at best. He would pulverize her before her lips are within reach of his face.
@@saparapatepete I mean lizard guy always exists right
*_Correction:_*
Knuckle is not an Emitter. We know from Togashi's notes from the 2022 Mori Arts Center Gallery Exhibition that Knuckle is a Conjurer. Which takes a while to wrap your head around. Also, revealed: Knov is an Emitter. I know. Strange.
Hakurai takes a physical form so it makes sense people even hit it plus it also stays even when your out of range even though it does work. Plus knov has to conjure the space only once for it work due type being used and emission would be cheaper since he would regained his aura.
I also don't think knuckle is lending the aura it's way too much
@@geegoflex6762
Knov doesn't Conjure his 4th Dimensional Mansion. He Emits it.
Razor Emits physically touchable devils. That's not solely the realm of Conjurers. But yes, Knuckle's Hakoware makes sense as Conjuration, too.
Weird. I thought conjurers could physically create inanimate objects to which they give different kinds of effects on them. Kinda like gears/equipment in MMORPGs which have slots for gems to give them different attributes. While emitters can use their aura to manifest soul-like creatures like pets with different skills and personalities of their own.
@giociasico Kite also created Crazy Slots, remember.
The differences between the 2 types of Nen Beasts are very vague. And Conjurers have to be touching / near their Nen Constructs to avoid using Emission, thus losing power.
How is Conjuration _not_ just a worse version of Emission? I have no damn clue. Conjurers can impose rules, but so can Manipulation, which is easy for Emitters.
Hakoware:* has the number on its forehead doubled*
Narrator: it was the first time the King felt fear
Could an argument be made for Knuckle using post mortem nen? Maybe after Knuckle's death APR would never disappear, leaving Meruem in zetsu until someone eventually manages to kill him? Knuckle almost definitely doesn't win a 1v1 but could definitely set someone else up to defeat him
Just An infinetly repearing APR cycle. Though i guess there is nothing stopping him from just finding or creating a nen exorcist
Or just waiting For the small period inbetween bankruptcy to find And eat a nen exorcist.
Nah, the rules of APR state that it can be paid back by dealing a blow of equal aura units, which Meruem would easily do. Anyway, the zetsu is only enforced for a month. Post mortem nen is powerful, but that doesn’t mean it can just break the conditions of your hatsu. Otherwise everyone would be too afraid to ever kill anyone because of potential random consequences.
10:20 Hakoware: 80,085.
*laughs like Beavis & Butthead*
Still not sure why you think Phinks wouldnt run out of Aura before ripper cyclotron got strong enough.
Gon put all his aura into one attack and it wasn't enough to defeat Razor. Netero put all his aura into one attack and it wasnt enough to defeat Meruem.
You remembered irrelevant thing for Gon, as we know that Greed Island era Gon is 100x weaker than Gon before he gonna hit Morel with HALF Gon capability
If I'm not wrong, having conditions improves nen abilities. Otherwise, what's the point of even having conditions, any enhancer would just want the easiest way to hit the opponent with the maximum amount of aura. In Phinks case, time spent increases power, so give him a day and maybe he can do something.
@@HispachioZ
The difference between those two Gons is a lot smaller than the difference between Razor and Meruem.
My point is that an enhancer can put as much aura as they want into an attack... Up to their maximum capacity.
@@sammygames2046
The condition isn't that harsh. He puts aura into his fist each time he rotates his arm (we know for sure because we see it glowing after a few rotations), and eventually his fist will have 100% of his aura capacity inside it.
By that point, it still won't hold a candle to what would be needed to beat Meruem.
@@sammygames2046 Having conditions can increase how much Aura you can output, but it doesn't increase how much Aura you have in reserves, with the exception of something like Adult Gon.
I think you should put together your ideal team to defeat the ant king, not counting unknowns like Ging. Like they were waiting in the tomb to team up on him
i would say meleoron and knov, meleoron uses god accomplice while knov teleports king's head off to another dimension
can you pls make a video about contracts with conditions , and possibly include potential moments when one of the charecters could've made a contract that had a possibility of defeating meruem.
And I think killua and Alluka pair might have had the best chance of defeating ant king one sidedly
What if instead of hitting him hard enough to bankrupt before he can counter, you hit him soft enough he didn't realise he was being attacked? Maybe he's occupied with his board game when Knuckle sneaks in and give him a gentle nen poke. He doesn't know what this weird creature who appears is but is more interested in playing his game. Knuckle could spend all day hiding in the next room over.
Before even watching the full video I have to say I seriously doubt he could , even without nen maruem is still formidable as an animal with natural talent and ability.
Thank god… Knuckle is my favorite character that nobody talks about. ❤
This analysis is an analogy for homeownership today 😂😂😂😂😂.
Why do you say "now its back to you...me"
I don't think Meruem would be stronger then a human Nen-user, any human nen-user, as strong as his body could be, he would be restricted by physics, and there is just that much space for muscles and such. Yes, we did see Gon and Killua and a lot of people pushing normal physics away, like when they open that heavy door, but we can still argue it was the works of Nen even though they weren't aware of it, as it's not like we seen any super-human strengths in people restricted to Zetsu state (best example would be how Kurapika capture Uwogin with normal chains, since he was forced into Zetsu state).
Regarding the fight, they would either need to wait and train Cameleon into holding his breath for 15 minutes (which is totally possible, without any nen ability, human record is 24 minutes and 37 seconds, and Chameleons, like many other reptile, can hold their breath for longer then humans), which I honestly think it would take around 1 week and a pure oxygen tank; use Knov in combination with Knuckle, since we saw how not only the people touching Cameleon but also their nen abilities goes incognito, it means that they can stay for almost 2 minutes, use Knov portals without being detected, then go back and repeat. They could also use a nen-user who can steal and give abilities like Leon and Kurapika, and give the ability to someone who can hold their breath for 15 minutes. So yeah, the reason why Nen is fascinating is that, raw strenght-points is not enough to determine the outcome of a fight. 2-3 individuals combined, that together are worth less then a nail to Meruem, can honestly take him down.
I do not think Meruem has a significantly larger pool of aura than Youpi. As a matter of fact, I think Youpi has more aura than Pitou and Pouf, it's pretty much his thing.
Meruem experiences a significant increase in power when he assimilates Pouf and Youpi...
I 100% disagree with you on meruem having 7 million nen aura points. IMPOSSIBLE even!!!
What we understood from hxh is that chimera ants in general have more aura and better nen talent than humans. IN GENERAL. so the royal guards are the absolute PEAK of chimera ants. And the king surpasses even THEM. but it makes absolutely ZERO sense that the king is 10 times stronger. In fact id say that meruem is as powerful as 5 pitou/youpi royal guards at the same time. As powerful doesn't mean as much aura, it means that if there were 5 royal guards as strong as these two, then and only then they'd be able to give meruem an equal fight.. But again, as powerful doesn't mean a much aura. So imo with only logic backing me up, no way meruem has 7 million points. Because when youpi and pouf gave their nen aura to meruem. He was fully healed and a lot stronger. Which means that both of them had enough aura to make him even better than he was before. Butttt that's also not confirmed. So the last conclusion i have is meruem has 1.5 million nen points or a MAXIMUM or 2 million points. No WAY its over that. It doesn't make sense. MAYBE post death his capacity became over it, like 2.5 or 3 mil, but before? No way.
It's very unlikely he just keeps getting a linear boost by continuously rotating forever.
It probably boosts linearly to a certain point and then each spin after that it continues to give you less and less and less with "infinite spins" hitting some arbitrary limit. It could be very high though maybe 100x power boost if he did it long enough ?
Diminishing returns would be a thing though.. I feel anyway. Headcannon is what it is for all of us lol.
Limitless aura/power doesn't seem possible to me given the nen power system. Not for something as simple as a windup.
The problem with Phinks is that the power of his attack is limited to the Nen that his body can generate. After a certain point it will reach a limit and it doesn't scale infinitely. Even if Meruem didn't dodge, he just has to focus enough Nen at the location of Phink's attack in order to survive it. Maybe Phinks could make a life pact like Gon did, to get more Nen, but he's also an adult so accessing his future potential will likely have diminished results.
couldn't knuckle pair up with knov. Challenge him to a game in the subspace, hit meruem into the portal (on a lower floor) then enter the next floor up. With the point of depleting his nen (by bankruptcy) to the point where he could not break through the layers, and then starve him to death in there? This is obviously predicated on indestructible floors (at least to the nenless), and ants dying of starvation. But, I guess you could argue that point for anyone (if the floors were always, nen or not, indestructible).
Before I finish the video I would say yes but many factors would need to be involved
In
Like a idea off the top of my head is a poor man’s rose, Post-Mortem nen,
And lots of sacrifice.
But yeah it’s possible but this basic idea would work for any character on any character so I wouldn’t say knuckle only plan but it’s the easiest I could think of
Dude the only scenario I can think of is meleoron train under morel to hold his breath much longer.
Then meleoron could hold his breath up to 45 minutes to more than an hour
Why do questions like this exist? No. Couldn’t even beat someone way weaker than him
Actually no. Meruem would blitz him at the start of the fight and rip him apart no nen needed
Really a talent to find so many interesting things to talk about in relation to a single creative property. A true testament to this person’s enjoyment of it. A fun watch as always
I mean, the obvious anwser is to make it into a game that can comfortably last a longer period of time.
Meruem is clearly willing to follow the rules of a game, and doesn't seem to just kill opponents halfway through a game, as simply killing the opponent would be admitting he can't win the game. And his pride doesn't allow for that.
So Knuckle + Komugi could bankrupt Meruem relativly easily if they challenge him in the right way. A simple "Hey meruem, I bet you can't beat Komugi before Hakoware bankrupts you" is really all it takes. Meruem's pride wouldn't allow him to deny such a challenge, and Komugi played against him for literal days.
However, that leaves one major question. To what extend does Meruem actually become vulnerable without nen?
Sadly the problem would be the integral tragedy of the arc, the humans would never have thought or considered that meruem could become fond of someone like komugi😔
I'd say his best bet would be either Mereum agreeing to the power without knowing its utility (doubt) or using some power like Knov or Goreinu to land one hit and then move Knuckle to a completely different place in the world to let the attack do its job. If it's a situation where Mereum wants to fight, Knuckle only wins if Mereum allows it.
even 17 minutes seems incredibly incredibly low. I would've expected like 17 days to make meruem bankrupt
What I like to know if its possible to supercharge knuckle via his own ability by bankrupting a lot of people at the same time, give him 5.000.000 Nen units and lend that to the King in one go. If thats the case he just needs to survive for seconds before defeating the King
Does Knuckles gain the nen he bankrupts? I don't really remember.
@@projectmessiah well they have to pay him back so I would guess so
All you have to do is trick him, still hard, but you only need to make him think a 20 minute game of wits will be fun.
im writing an essay on hxh and these videos cheer me up
What’s the essay about
You're missing a crucial bit of info! APR doesn't disappear if knuckle leaves the 50m radius, it only stops accruing interest. Which means they could leave with Knov's power and come back every time Meleoron needs to take a breathe. It would take longer, but it would mean there's no longer such a dire reliance on the amount of time APR takes to bankrupt Meruem!
P.s. I know Knov would be unlikely to want to face the ants again, so even if not, I'm sure there's someone else with a power that could get them in range and escape far enough away within 2 minutes
Honestly, this estimate of Meruem's power just makes Gon's rage even more insane. Pitou estimated Gon to be comparable to Meruem after he transformed. And, if I'm not mistaken, that form was Gon sacrificing his future potential just to kill Pitou which means that, at his "full potential", it would take roughly 16 minutes to bankrupt him under normal circumstances.
All they needed to do was have meleoron and knov sneak into the palace using God's accomplice. Then knov uses his "scream" ability on meruem's head like he did to that soldier ant when he snuck into the palace. Game over ant king. I feel like togashi realized that and had to nerf knov with the whole freak out he had lol.
10:37 Knuckle's affinity got retconned by Togashi. He's now a conjurer. Honestly makes that even more impressive. His Aura is probably like 40-45k if I had to guess.
I'm writing this before watching the video, but let's be fair, Knuckle can literally beat anyone on a long enough timeline and if he can safely stay within range of his target. Very large "but," much like your Aunt Edna's.
Its easy. Knuckle has to train the boardgame meruem and komugi played to become good enough to hold meruem for 20+ mins. + he has to convince meruem to play with him, give him an aura fistbump at the beginning, easy win
Meleoron and Knov together can beat Meruem, Meleron will use his ability to became invisible and so Knove and once they get to Meruem... Knov will teleport Meruem's head to one of his rooms but Togashi killed Knov's will to fight
Knuckle : punches Meruem
Hakoware : "Jikan desu"
0 -> 0.0001
Tax season is almost here in the U.S.
Gotta hire Knuckle, the accountant hunter.
The only two other people who I can think are adult gon and maybe karaoke using the dagger to stab the king heart it may help if the king becomes a member of the spider
tserriednich !!!!
maybe Chrollo Lucilfer
beyond netero
100% alluka zoldyck
Gon Freecs when he sacrifices everything and develops his full potential
Killua Zoldyck when he sacrifices everything and develops his full potential
maybe Hisoka
100% ging freecss !!
maybe pariston
zetsu locked meruem can still destroy people... thats why kurapike tested his chains on zetsu uvogin if he can physically break them without nen
We have an accurate count of Youpi’s max Aura. Chapter 287 has apr of 60,610. It states even suppressing all Nen Youpi would bankrupt in 3mins 50seconds. Doing the math, 10% for 23 more cycles, Youpi bankrupts at 542,718. Going by the time stamps in chpt 287 & 289, when first told this til Knuckle removes APR he needed 4.42 seconds more to bankrupt Youpi. So if Morrel is 70,000 total aura then Youpi is not quite the 10x Knuckle settles on. As for Meruem, especially after absorbing Pouf & Youpi, Knuckle doesn’t stand a chance
I wonder how apr would change if knuckle died with the intent of stopping the king. That post mortum nen has gotta be interesting
To determine the number of fights you would have to have per day, we can calculate the average number of fights you would have had per year based on the information provided.
If you started training in martial arts at the age of 5 and have had 5000 fights by the age of 29, that means you have had 24 years of training and fighting (from age 5 to age 29).
To find the average number of fights per year, we divide the total number of fights (5000) by the number of years (24):
Average number of fights per year = Total number of fights / Number of years
Average number of fights per year = 5000 / 24
This gives us approximately 208.33 fights per year.
To find the average number of fights per day, we divide the average number of fights per year by the number of days in a year. Assuming there are 365 days in a year:
Average number of fights per day = Average number of fights per year / Number of days in a year
Average number of fights per day = 208.33 / 365
This gives us approximately 0.57 fights per day.
Therefore, if you have had 5000 fights by the age of 29, on average, you would have had to have approximately 0.57 fights per day.
Thats if our boy knuckles been fighting since 5 . But how do you have HALF a fight ? lol
Or how about this. Knuckle rocks up to Meruem and says "wanna game of fake shogi?" Activates Hakoware with 10-20 units of aura with a powerful handshake, and then spends a long time thinking on his turns. Easy enough to spend 20 minutes that way, and Meruem is absolutely up for a game of fake Shogi.
Anyway, I disliked Knuckle's nen ability. Up to that point, nen was this cool system with all sorts of different sliders and space for creativity, but then Knuckle turned up and canonically said "nah it's just power levels from DBZ again lmao".
Yeah but look at how long it took for it to try and work for Youpi, which we never saw. And if he has to stay within 50m radius of the target the entire time....
There's NO WAY he'd have the time to stay around Meruem unprotected and try to wait for his nen to run out. What he's going to camp out and pitch a tent and wait. 17 mins is a bogus calculation. Knuckle hit Youpi and from the time he first hit him til the time ge deactivated it was roughly 5 mins. And Youpi STILL had over 500,000 units of aura. And thats AFTER using TWO major nen upgrades and explosions.
It's just not happening.
Is it possible for Meruem to "shatter" or destory APR if he uses his full power? Or is APR totally indestructible?
Heres a problem, knuckles 500 aura punch might just mean 0 to Meruem. Ex. A punch from a butterfly might be dangerous to another butterfly , but a human will newer even feel a small pinch. (I used butterfly to not use ant, avoiding confusion, ehehe)
Knuckle couldn't even hold his cool and keep from releasing Chapter 7 from Youpi. Even if he bankrupt Meruem, Meruem still would have demolished everyone at that battle, maybe aside from Adult Gon, if Gon went at Meruem instead of Pitou. Ignoring the Poor Mans Rose ofc.
You must develop a Power for fight kimera ants, like Kurapika with Spider !! But maybe Who has more chanse Is Hisoka becouse Bungee Gum " possesses the proprieties of both Rubber and Gum "
Haha Joke enything whe se have the Power of kill him, less the Alluka or a fk nucleare bomb !!!
I have a tattoo of Potclean (APR, Hakaware, whatever you wanna call it) that I got literally the day before Covid lockdowns started happening, and the tattoo artist asked “You want a number in the little area on his forehead? Like 420?!” There’s no lesson there really just a funny thing that happened. I did not get the 420 or any numbers though lol
Knuckle vs Meruem is a funny case because that was the original plan for the palace raid. So let's try assuming that everything in the raid went absolutely perfectly. Let's say Netero arrived, fought Meruem, but didn't nuke himself. Meanwhile, each of the royal guards gets defeated easily by their opponents, and everybody gets a few minutes to rest before the king's return. Zeno stays because his dragon dive doesn't hit the part of the palace housing Komugi, and he's ready and willing to help kill the ant king. Gon is sticking to the plan as well, and will not cripple himself or leave the battlefield. And for good measure, Knov has a much more resilient mind in this timeline, and has not suffered a mental breakdown. In this case, is killing Meruem possible?
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Yes, with a very specific combination of abilities. The linchpin of this operation is not Knuckle, but Knov. You see, Knov's Hide and Seek is one of those abilities like Cheetu's that creates an indestructible Nen dimension. The key word being indestructible. This dimension is divided into a series of 21 rooms of varying sizes. Key word being divided. These rooms are not separate dimensions, they're subdivisions of the same single dimension. All separated by indestructible walls. Knov can create undetectable portals of varying sizes connected to these rooms. Key word being undetectable. So while Netero is off fighting the ant king, Knov can set up a number of trap doors around the palace. Then, Meleoron and Knuckle can land one punch on Meruem upon his return while he's in a room filled with undetectable portals. Meruem falls into the portals, and Knov sends Knuckle into a different room in his mansion. Knuckle is now within 50 meters of Meruem, but in absolutely no danger whatsoever. After about 20 minutes, Meruem is Nenless for a month. This gives our heroes a full month to starve out Meruem while simultaneously finding somebody who can 1v1 him in Zetsu. I'm pretty sure Killua with Hurricane, Zeno, Morel at full strength, or Gon could potentially win that fight. I mean, can Meruem even survive a full month without food or water? Just hit him with Chapter 7 Bankruptcy, wait 29 days, and then send in some powerful enhancer, lol. By the way, the reason this plan still includes Knuckle is because Meruem is a Nen genius. It's possible that he could reverse engineer Knov's master key if given enough time. I don't think he could manage it in only a few minutes, but he might be able to pull it off before he thirsts to death. If you want to play things super safe, you could wait a month, send in Knuckle and Meleoron again, and punch him. Then have them leave, enter another room, wait 20 minutes, and wait another month. Meruem would have no way of even knowing they entered the room until he'd already been hit, and at that point, they're leaving. Another thing you could do is have Morel create a constant stream of smoke soldiers to enter the room and fight Meruem. This would keep him from entering some kind of hibernation to conserve food and water for the month. Basically, once Meruem is stuck in Knov's mansion, it's over. There's absolutely nothing he could ever do to escape without Nen, and he has no method to keep his Nen from being taken.
I haven't started the video yet. But even if Knuckle bankrupts Meruem, Meruem would probably still win.
A completely passive, no fighting intent Meruem got hit by Netero's first hand and was only a little scuffed and spit some blood.
So if Meruem, not using nen to amp his body, can still get hit by Netero and be moderately fine. He'd still probably beat Knuckle.
IF someone with the ability tô transfer abilities was there. He could temporarily give Gon the ability of melereon and kunuckle, gon can stay more than 10 minutes without breathing and using his jajanken as a first hit the countdown would start at about 2000 (could be alot more since thats only the usual jajanken power). Easy win.
Just cought up to the mangas.
I'm beginning to serioualy doubt that the troupe actually killed kurapika's clan!
The words of uvo would just be bragging or a troupe agreement to "endorse" the killing of the clan to be recognised as true villains.
If it is the case, I would love to see kurapika confronted to this! Would he abandon his vendetta, or even join the troupe's mission!! (Especially that he has in a way the same philosophy as they do.)
So knuckles and the chameleon hop on killuas back and killua uses god speed to make knuckles hit the king as many times as possible, once he is out of aura he switches places with knuckles and they hightail it out
The mention of "no limit" and how it could technically affect anyone made me think... how long would it take to bankrupt Ai/Nanika, and could Ai stop it on their own, or would their limit of codependence be their undoing against the least likely opponent?
Damnit!!! if only Meruem had square space he might have been able to survive The Poor Man's Rose!!! WHY!!!!
I don't know if youve already discussed this, but what do you think would happen when Kurapika encounters either of rhe Zoldycks in the Troupe? How wouls that impact his relationship with Killua?
We know there's no love lost between him qnd Illumi, but what about Kalluto?
Knuckle is a CONJURER who uses Conjuration, Emission, Manipulation and Conditions for his nen ability i.e. Hakoware.
My calls before watching the video:
Knuckle alone?
No, even if his ability goes through, I think Meruem could defeat him in Zetsu. But due to the implications of fighting nen in Zetsu:
He would take massive damage and hold a similar speech as he did in the original events with Netero.
Because those are his rules as established when he realized he could unsubscribe anyone no matter what abilities they might have. And he showed clearly with Komugi that hose rules are absolute and even apply to him. Confirming that by detaching a component of himself.
My reference here is Uvogin. I think Meruem is even stronger without Nen
But wouldn’t meruem wanna see what it does. Something that can theoretically render him to be no longer the most powerful. Proof he could be less. Than king. Would this mystery not consume his soul until he just lets himself go bankrupt. And considering his humility and intelligence then come to a understanding of peace? Knuckle may not win the fight through strength and knockout. But through peace I believe it is possible ;)
Knuckle and even Morel couldn't dodge Zeetou without nen. They have no chance against Meruem without nen.
For an assassination combo to work, they'd need Senritsu (aka melody) to play a long enough song to distract meruem while having leech from shadow beast planting eggs inside meruem....
Knov's mental breakdown was a massive downgrade of the team. They could've potentially hit an enemy with Knuckle and separated him and the enemy in separate rooms adjacent to each other for APR to continue ticking down. Actually capturing Meruem would be the hardest part, but just a theory.
what if knuckle and cheetu teamed up, and cheetu's dome ability kept kunckle within 50 metres but still untouchable for the 8 hours??? That would work, even if knuckle started with like 20 aura but i guess we don't know how cheetu's ability worked. Maybe it could work though
I think Hakoware is a pretty cool ability but I don't like it.
It's a "winmore" kind of skill. It only works if Knucle is superior againts opponents in hand to hand combat.
Againts an inferior opponent, we have Gon's fight as an example. He can keep adding to the deb to acelerate the process till he wins.
But againts an equal or superior opponent It doesn't do anything. Any lend aura would be given back.
In Meruem case, no matter how much Meleoron helps him. Meruem would think for less than a second, get a series of scenarios where someone was able to punch him and proced to obliterate the area around him, giving back the lent aura and some. Plus, the ants have access to a nen exorcist.
Short answer: No..But maybe..Maybe no but maybe yes but no...Yes..No...Yes...Maybe...Maybe I guess maybe I think perhaps maybe I guess so...
NO
Togashi wrote himself into a wall with certain things. Who are these 5000 people knuckle fought and let's be generous and say half of them know nen. Isn't there only like 800 hunters? Who are all these nen users? Why was everyone on greed island except like 20ish people weak as hell if there's 2500 people with nen out there at generous estimation even 1500 of that 5000 being nen users would make sense and have stronger people on greed island.
Add the owl from the Phantom Troupe arc into the mix.
Bag knuckle into the smallest possible bag, let meleoron attach it to meruem, and knuckle would tiny punch him from the bag. Then let him play a couple gungi and gg bankrupted xd
Wouldn't then they be able to paralyze Meruem with the same nen usage Hisoka introduced nen with to Gon and Kilua in the tower of heaven? (I forgot the name of that basic technique)
That was the point where the show tried to establish that someone being able to use nen is basically always winning against someone not being able to, since they can essentially paralyze the opponent. (Same reason why later the portal guy was permanently traumatized and rendered useless because he experienced Yupi's insanely strong nen without protection to remain undetectable)
So one could argue that they could do the same to Meruem, although he quite likely could dash out of range immediately, and then just fight by throwing rocks or something, which is no joke with his physical power.
Who can beat Meruem? - Rando McFodder their ability "Eye for an eye" - whatever harm is brought to the user it's inflicted on the perpetrator scaled to the perpetrator's physiology. Some social engineering so that Meruem kills Mr McFodder and bam Meruem is dead/beat. Rando is bad at social engineering? No worries his teammate Odd Snitch is there to assist, their ability "scapegoat" everyone but the user and target wants to kill the one branded as the scapegoat.
The only remotely feasible way it would be possible is if Knuckle tricks Meruem by telling him that he can make anyone multiplicatively stronger just by punching them. Meruem would feel his aura quantity increase and don't really think about it too much as more power is better (except if he doesn't care as he is already the strongest) but yeah, that would be a way to get to the max interest without knuckle dieing immediately. He could also stall by playing shogi. And when the pentaly finally kicks in, knuckle will probably most likely definetely die but Netero can come by and finish the job.
Could Knuckle win on his own? Absolutely not. Could an effective strategy be built around Knuckle’s Nen ability if someone like Netero also got involved? Probably yes.
Man you are on Fire with the amount of New videos
The thing I wonder about with knuckle's APR is that it just forces them into zetsu. Could they potentially still kill a nen user with just muscle mass alone?
One way now hear me out. If he meets meruem like netero did. And casually hits hit on the shoulder right starting the ability. With the 2-500. Then says let’s leave to the same location netero took him too. Might as well be the same but include knuckle. How long was the trip to get there and all the talking before the fight ? Plus the fight up until the bomb went off? Assuming he goes bankrupt just before the bomb maybe it has a higher chance of killing and they can’t bring him back 🤔
I think that knucle has one of the best Hatsu ever, because If you get for that ability It's Very difficult to defeat him but this ability is Very more ecffetive in humans not in Chimera ants or magical beasts because they have more aura than him.
Hear me out, what if Knuckle and Morel are both touched my Meleoron. Morel has enough lung capacity to feed oxygen to Meleoron via say a smoke-pipe. Perhaps they could last 16 minutes that way
Just make Meruem a member of Spider then let Kurapika go Emperor Time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just kidding... 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Tbh I think knuckle could beat anyone in hxh. I think that’s why he’s one of the only person they brought. He’d just have an extremely small margin of victory. Or he’d need help
He could just punch Meruem while he's sleeping. Meruem wouldn't even notice such a weak attack so Knuckle could wait 16 minutes for Meruem to go bankrupt.
okay, knuckle's aura output is definitively not 40K. his aura max maybe (probably), but the output? the output is a whole another history. gon's jajanken at the time of his figh with knuckle was around 2k. that's his whole aura output in a single punch, but that was only while using his hatsu, as knuckle estimated to his output to be a little less.
so a ko punch of knuckle should be 20 times as strong as gon was on that fight, to be 40k. i am not even sure youpi is able of that, its just too much aura output!
Okay so what if knuckle hit mereum with meleoron and then just kept running away while invisible so that meleoron could catch his breath and then running back quickly to reactivate his ability. It would take a while but theoretically, apr could activate without knuckle dying.
Isn't Knuckle a Conjurer now? (and Knov is an emitter, also much to the general bewilderment of everyone who thought they were the other affinity, respectively.)