Probably more about cycles. You ramp the speed up while also heating it, then cool it down, rinse and repeat a few thousand times. It still takes a while but probably days not years.(idk exactly how they do it, just drawing it from examples I know about in other industry)
@@frosthammer917 Always about cycles. Designing load cycles is a science and an art, simulating years of wear and tear in weeks and months is a challenge but a necessary one. I should ask my colleagues what goes into it, they're quite good at it, as much as they might not like to admit it
I hate that noctua color scheme... not only it doesn't match most of components and color schemes... but... it's BROWN... who wants brown items? it's only good for leather and some garments...
10:11 - "I think the community backlash is kind of undeserved" How on Earth did you manage to miss the pun-opportunity Linus? "I think the community backlash is OVERBLOWN!"
People don't even understand how much detail Noctua is putting in their development. It's so detailed they won't "just" color them black and white because adding colors alters the plastics too much. Same with LEDs changing the frame structure. They are the ones working on the 0.05% performance increases
@@卛 Everyone who is a fan of Noctua? I don't.... How could you not know this? I could probably hacksaw together a cooler that outperforms most. The fact that it would blow out your eardrums wouldn't matter, because you know "who cares about noise".
I'd actually love to see a friendly interview or just conversation with Noctua. They don't just know their stuff they understand it and more than their competition.
Any AIO of roughly similar price annihilates Noctua's flagship offering Ao no they don't understand their competition Lian li fans at this point easily give comparable performance while being much easier to install and look 1000x better than Noctua So Noctua REALLY doesn't understand their competition
@@goochipoochie yeah, no. All of these points are simply not true. They still offer top of the line air coolers and the most silent and most performative fans on the market for a fair price.
Fun fact: any time someone explains phase changes and the latent heat of vaporization, Technology Connections grows just a little bit more powerful. In his final form, he will be able to rewrite reality, transforming all A/C units into reversible heat pumps. Also, he'll probably fix that thing with the combined brake/turn signal lights in American cars. And our toasters are gonna get way cooler. It's gonna be awesome.
That's one thing I have been asking for a long time. No, not brown Asus GPU or brown Seasonic PSU though those are nice. I will definitely buy a Noctua laptop cooler and take it out with my laptop when I am waiting in the airport for all to see.
OOhh - yes please! Noctua would very likely be majorly unsatisfied with biscuit fans and we'd finally get our hands on those solid-state cooling chips that make the news about once a year for the last decade. (The AirJet, according to google.)
@@CyberiusT make the laptops slightly thicker and just put a bigger heatsink and cooler in there. Made from Noctua of course, and can put better cpu's in there.
I've been eyeballing the Secretlab desk for a while now. Is it super big? I need something that will allow me to have three monitors, my AV receiver, a right and left channel speaker, and a huge center channel speaker. My desktop being on the desk is optional, but that would be cool too.
TBH I love Noctua for the simple fact that they engineer the snot out of everything, so that you know that even though the prices are high, you’re getting truly their best effort to make the best product imaginable. And while some of those gains might be approaching the diminishing returns category, you pretty much know that before you buy it. And also their shizz lasts forever, so price over time is honestly cheaper than a cheap cooler.
Can confirm. Almost 16 years of nearly continuous service on my NH-U12 - the only remaining mechanical part from that build. I feel like I should buy a Noctua hoodie or something to show appreciation for such quality engineering.
Well dont forget that quality performance parts tend to also last longer, plus aren't they also known for being quieter than at least stock cooling on most stuff frm old computers and consoles to stuff like this, a power supply XD
@@random_n I have bought 4 of their hoodies, each color twice, I lost one, grew out the of the other. Best hoodies I own, hands down. 10/10. I can't shill enough for their hoodies, they could legit transition to making clothes, the hood comfort is unreal. My gf won't stop stealing them tho so I don't actually get to wear them that often. : ( Anyway, 10/10 hoodies, the grey one runs a little small though, that's the only weird thing, brown is true to size, but grey is on the smaller end of normal. I would definitely recommend getting one. You will not regret it
i went with a back then overkill noctua cpu cooler and im still using it to this day years later with no issues at all. Gotta love a future proof well build product, 100% worth the extra money i payed for it back then
I bought the shittiest and cheapest air cooler I could find on amazon and I'm still using it today 8 years later with no issues at all. That's gotta be at least 200% worth the money spent then
Eh i'm on a Scythe that i got well over a decade ago and i'm still using that, still running smoothly. They too upgraded me to a new socket, charged me uhh basically less than shipping cost for the upgrade in total including shipping.
@@G91YS Yeah i've actually got a Deepcool Gammax 300 that isn't doing so well and this started right after warranty ran out. The fan isn't spinning smoothly any longer. There is no oil hole in the fan motor, and the fan is proprietary can't truly replace it with something else, it's got a nonstandard mount pattern. The heatsink also relies on a 120mm fan with an integrated funnel to channel it into a smaller 100mm-ish heatsink.
Linus really made a great point. I remember getting into watercooling in 2005ish and buying all the parts then wondering why my thermals were complete ass. Well, new paste, checking platform, checking pressure and i never got it right until I swapped to an older modded block. Such a PITA
Nocuta's long term support reminds me of Asetek's customer support in the AlthonXP days. I bought one of their blocks second hand at a carboot sale but the acrylic was full of hairline cracks, sent them an email and they shipped a replacement with fittings, a spread of fine sandpaper from 400-2000grit, (it was around the era of the "lapping" craze) along with some thermal pads and several sheets of branded stickers for free! If they hadn't gone all in on patent restricting AOIs and holding the industry back by decades, they would have won a customer for life with that interaction!
No shot, that CFD solver is pretty barebones, if they're designing at this level I mean they just have to be using something like StarCCM or Ansys Workbench
I bought a Lian Li SFX 850W PSU and the stock fan was so loud at times, that i thought my PC was overheating or something like that. It took me a while to realize that it was the PSU, but after i figured that out, i ofcourse searched online for the same issue and found a guy who did just that on reddit. Ordered the fan (wrong one the first time, it had to be 14mm thick.) and installed it by cutting the stock fan in the middle of its wire and cut the noctua's molex adapter wire from the middle and put them together by using e-tape and zipties. I was so worried that it wouldn't turn on at all and overheat my PSU, and i had no way to know during boot, since the PSU only spun up when over 60c. But it worked!
I'm always happy to pay a good bit more for noctua products because of their dedication to backwards compatibility and just plain making great products. At this point I have undoubtedly saved money by not having to buy 3 other heatsinks over the past 15 years.
Yooo that's awesome! So fun fact; thermosyphons and pumpless refrigeration is very prevalent in industrial applications in ammonia! The orientation will be super important, but essentially the refrigerant heats up on the CPU and turns into a gas, the gas feeds into the fan coils at the top of the radiator on the GPU (from what I see), condenses into a liquid filling the thermosyphon and then overflowing into the reservoir on top of the cpu! It makes sense! It would only take a very minimal amount of charge, and you could theoretically refill a depleted system (once leaks are corrected) with refrigerant you use on your car! I almost want to make one myself!
I think the only way that it makes sense for noctua to continue to optimize for dye area, is to have early samples of where the hotspots are, and not reviewer early sample, cause they would need more time than reviewer samples. But if they did get early samples, they could just start selling the heatsinks as an interchangeable unit from the rest of the cooler, making it kind of similar to a subscription model for enthusiasts. Alongside a specific built heatsink for a specific CPU, they could also sell a general use heatsink, that instead of being optimized for a CPU, its generally good across a spectrum of CPUs. Also the desk fans are great, especially if you have old fans laying around, great way to reuse a product (Remember the 3 Rs)
Yep. Reduce and Reuse often get forgotten, and many places, Recycle is often a lie or way to complicated for things with composite construction or food residue.
I bought the Noctua desk fan a two months ago. I use it everyday keeps my hand and arms not so sweaty. Could use some tweaking in what they include but overall very happy.
Everyone is complaining about the cost of the desk fan but I can see its use in lots of places away from the desk. The first thing I keep thinking of is those little fans they have for the driver on coach busses, trucks, farm equipment, etc., where it makes sense to have a durable, robust fan that focuses it's airflow to one location, and where a big company would be able to afford to install the fans in their fleet a lot more readily.
Part of the complaining is more at the power supply included with the product being valued at 30 dollars, when it probably costs them maybe 2 dollars in bulk orders.
I have been using Noctua fans since 2016, still working great that and my Gigabyte Ultra Motherboard. Used in a dusty and smokey and humid environment.
As someone who has lapped their own zalman flower heat sinks back in the day before switching to noctua, has replaced the fan in a PSU with noctua fan and has one of those sabertooth tuf brown and green motherboards, I can get behind all of these products with no problems. I’m even sold on the desk fan, if I got one of them I’d use it and it’s modular components for the rest of my life.
I'm waiting for more on the Prime TX600 and second-gen NH-D15. Also curious about the thermosiphon prototype. Whether we like it or not, innovation and variety push the industry forward.
I did this a few years ago, and still run it. It's one of their small SFX-L PSUs and I've fitted a slim 120mm noctua fan inside it. It works incredibly
9:49 ive been running the same Aio since mid 2018 at 100% pump speed 100% of the time. I got it for a 9900k and its currently cooling a 13700kf perfectly. Seems pretty gosh dang reliable to me 🤷♂️
For the cpu cooler issue, it depends on how they market it, if they make the 2 cpu specific ones as a separate line or make sure to specify that it's for enthusiasts only then it could be alright. It's available for the enthusiasts who don't have the tools to custom level their contact plates themselves and all the people who want the best compatibility just buys the regular edition. With how good their coolers are, even if the contact area becomes an issue with future cpu's it'll likely still get better performance and less noise than the stock cooler.
we need a AMD-Noctua collab to make the cooler already part of the CPU, you just need to awkwardly look from the side when putting it in the slot, but the thermal contact is unrivalled
Hope these come out soon for when I upgrade my 9 year old pc. Still runs and while not as super used as it could be, it also would be nice to be able to feel a difference in performance for another ten years or so. Plus better cooling and lesser sound is even better. Course just need a chunky case to not worry about cooling for the days of summer where you sweat the second you go outside.
I printed one of those fan shrouds and attached it to a San Ace 120x38mm fan that at max speed is 6400rpm and its insane. Insanely loud, and an insane amount of air even 20ft away.
A great solution would be buying a contact frame, such as one like thermalright, in combination with standard coolers. even if you require a generational upgrade lets say in 8 years or longer, all you have to do is buy another solid frame which costs way less, but can achieve optimal thermal performance if you care for that extra headroom with minimal deviance from a dedicated cooler.
It's not. Like Linus said, it's the opposite. Noctua doesn't have a lot of variants or huge product lines. Putting so much effort into current CPUs when the contact plates will change over time is new for them.
@@BigBoyJay_69I hope reviewers test it with some older CPUs (hopefully ones that haven't lived in a test bench) to see what the performance is like on products it isn't tailored to. I can't see hotter die areas going away any time soon, so it may still end up better long term as long as they provide good mounting options to target hotter die areas.
The noctua NV-FS1 and NV-FS2 (the desk fan and the passive cooled device fan thing) are actually one of the products that made me super excited My desk area is in a cubby under the bunk bed my dad made when I was a kid. the wall plug powered fan controller (from a trusted brand) will allow me to add airflow to my desk space so it doesn't get as hot.
My favorite part about these trade shows is how the different channels present all of the same information differently. This was easier to digest than GamerNexus’ video.
@@schwuziIt is but for reviewsof hardware i will trust him or Hardware unboxed or some other channels, ltt is just something I watch for entertainment.
there is something so admirable about Noctua and the insane strive for air blowing related perfection. can't wait for the new PSU may do an all Noctua build in the fractal North.
I just got done putting NF-A12x25s in my PSUs a couple of months back. (After wearing gloves and draining the main capacitor.) Some Silverstone PSUs don't have enough minimum voltage to turn a NF-A12x25. The Silverstone ET500 can turn a NF-P12 redux-1300 with no load.
Really glad for LTT and GN being what they are especially for something such as this - two well informed and differing arguments on a specific topic, both valid, and i get the benefit of weighing up what i value more with the information provided. Keep it up y'all. I'm a................big fan.
@@maksimfedoryak you could find that color scheme on motherboards back in the day. I'd like to see a "Pro" or "Expert" type mobo come back with that kind of colorway.
I actually would like it if Noctua would come out with 38mm depth fans across their product stack. I like buying old server gear for my home lab but the fans on those are designed for datacenter use where noise doesn't matter and where the server is expected to be both at 100% utilization the whole time and where it is packed next to a bunch of other servers also pumping out heat. I throw in noctua fans right now to bring the noise levels under control but I do worry if the chassis have enough static pressure to actually cool the system and I don't even bother with coolers and GPUs that are fanless because they expect to be cooled by the case fans pushing air across them.
Literally right as I am about to finish my new build they go and drop this. If i ever find need of a second PC i can finally do my all beige and brown build.
I've now seen 3 videos of the same booth before LTT put theirs out but it's easily the most watchable because it not only has a great amount of information but it also has that entertainment layer.
As a mechanical engineer who happens to design custom coolers for our products, I loved this video. Also, a fans ability to overcome 'back pressure' is its static air pressure rating and makes a mountain of difference of the performance of the fan in confided spaces. SFF PCs MUST have fans with high static air pressure values. My gaming SFF is the size of a lunchbox and fits in a backback. It holds a 12th gen i5 paired to a RTX 3080 with no thermal throttle :)
Will there be an 2000'ish Watt version PSU for the EU & Nordic HEDT/GPU station markets? Pretty please? :) I'm still looking for a solid stable one to power my 4x 3090 GPU workstation. Thanks.
Missed opportunity to use a Noctua-edition LTT screwdriver for the backstabbing
Yes
Absolutely disappointed
New LTT screwdriver, Noctua backstab edition: comes with scalpel bit, poison needle bit, and Phillips and Torx bits!
I forgot to bring one!! - LS
@@EricGerlachCaI'd actually buy that
wym, pause it and look again :P orange end cap
I wish I was a validation engineer at Noctua. "Hey I am going to start my soak test, I'll be back in 10 years."
😂
Lol. They're probably running accelerated tests though, maybe spinning them at faster than their rated speeds or something like that.
Probably more about cycles. You ramp the speed up while also heating it, then cool it down, rinse and repeat a few thousand times. It still takes a while but probably days not years.(idk exactly how they do it, just drawing it from examples I know about in other industry)
@@frosthammer917 Always about cycles. Designing load cycles is a science and an art, simulating years of wear and tear in weeks and months is a challenge but a necessary one. I should ask my colleagues what goes into it, they're quite good at it, as much as they might not like to admit it
You could say they were a fan of this powerful idea
Cool
BANNED
Badum tss
They were... on... C R A C K!
two puns on one sentence... wow
Why Noctua took so long? World production of brown paint doesn't keep up the pace with Noctua needs.
I hate that noctua color scheme... not only it doesn't match most of components and color schemes... but... it's BROWN... who wants brown items? it's only good for leather and some garments...
@@geort45 well... everybody will know that it's a noctua fan... I think that is the point.
@@geort45 It's poop brown, but it's NOCTUA poop brown. And EVERYONE knows that it's a Noctua by that poop brown. It's a good poop brown
@@Nopuluwell your avatar does have noctua color scheme
@@geort45it’s not for everyone and that’s ok. They don’t have to appeal to everyone
Seasonic x Noctua has to be one of the best reliability partnership ideas in the industry
lifetime warranty lol
I didn't know Seasonic were known for reliability, unfortunately my PSU from them died within a year.
@@casey7128 they have a 10+ year warranty, could have just gotten it replaced directly by them.
@@casey7128everyone has some bad units but overall, they have some of the most reliable stuff out there.
@@casey7128 They often come with 12 year warranties, so on average their failure rate must be rather low, or else they'd be bankrupt by now.
Let's take a moment and admire the video and audio quality LMG provide from the show. It is just amazing.
R.I.P Linus, killed by his own screwdriver.
I know why his screwdriver decided to screw him, ill tell you, after our segway to our sponsor, rizz wallet
@@snickerboi3723 lol good one.
😂😂
Wow thanks Linus for the heart......could it be.....did he survive?
He screwed himself.
At this point i expect Noctua to partner up with a case maker to make a noctua colored pc case and let LS build a full noctua pc.
Right Fractal could do that, and then the final piece would be a brown Motherboard
I would buy the case...I love the dual brown theme of their fans
A Define 7 xl noctua version with specific fans for different case configs would be sick indeed
@@walkinmn NZXT gotta get on that
@@Friedbrain11 Yeah my only problem with their colour scheme is not being able to do the whole build in it lol
10:11 - "I think the community backlash is kind of undeserved"
How on Earth did you manage to miss the pun-opportunity Linus? "I think the community backlash is OVERBLOWN!"
You're right. I blew it. - LS
@@LinusTechTips Just blame it on the writers
@@LinusTechTips Don't worry, it'll blow over.
@@LinusTechTips booooo.... !
@@LinusTechTips Unlike Seasonic power supplies, which don't blow up.
People don't even understand how much detail Noctua is putting in their development. It's so detailed they won't "just" color them black and white because adding colors alters the plastics too much. Same with LEDs changing the frame structure. They are the ones working on the 0.05% performance increases
And then there is thermalright still beating them
@@Gilaric with more noise yeah
@@broodjenoodles literally who cares?
@@卛 Everyone who is a fan of Noctua? I don't.... How could you not know this?
I could probably hacksaw together a cooler that outperforms most. The fact that it would blow out your eardrums wouldn't matter, because you know "who cares about noise".
@@卛many people especially people who own ITX which is bevinding more and more popular by itself
I'd actually love to see a friendly interview or just conversation with Noctua. They don't just know their stuff they understand it and more than their competition.
Steve @ Gamers Nexus has some good interviews with them
And thus the reason noctua is slow in releasing new products, aka still delivering quality on the market.
Any AIO of roughly similar price annihilates Noctua's flagship offering
Ao no they don't understand their competition
Lian li fans at this point easily give comparable performance while being much easier to install and look 1000x better than Noctua
So Noctua REALLY doesn't understand their competition
@@goochipoochie Chinese bot? 🤔
@@goochipoochie yeah, no. All of these points are simply not true. They still offer top of the line air coolers and the most silent and most performative fans on the market for a fair price.
The "AIO" is so Noctua... A pump?! THAT MAKES NOISE! Lets use nature!
It doesn't have a pump, it's a vapor chamber the was supersiszed.
Hey, my man, physics don't break...
@@Truex007 tell that to someone working in the field of Quantum mechanics.
Fun fact: any time someone explains phase changes and the latent heat of vaporization, Technology Connections grows just a little bit more powerful. In his final form, he will be able to rewrite reality, transforming all A/C units into reversible heat pumps. Also, he'll probably fix that thing with the combined brake/turn signal lights in American cars. And our toasters are gonna get way cooler. It's gonna be awesome.
and we will get LED Christmas lights that don't look like gamer vomit.
@@ADMNteki'm the only one in my family that hates gamer barf LEDs (though I quite like dark blues and purples at dim settings) and no one else gets it
And he'll be able to apply his Magic of Buying Two of Them to anything.
0:32 was totally expecting a "and wondering who our sponsor is!"
Can't wait to order the Noctua AIO in 2030!
They won’t make one
That's... optimistic!
And the AIOEU in 2050
@@WTFBOOMDOOM and the EIEIO?
That would require a pretty big design philosophy shift.
desk fun is something like a merch rather than normal product
True. Some people will always find something to b*tch about
FAN IS GOOD + POWER SUPPLY GOOD = GOODER POWER SUPPLY
THE GOODSIEST
CEO math
In the words of my programming professor, "Is much more betterer!"
@@zivzulanderthe more you buy the more you save. The more you buy the more you save. Steve and Wendell, at Computex.
1$ fan + 2$ psu = 10$
Noctua need to start making laptop fans bro, and laptop makers need to standardise their fans so its easier for both parties
Framework Laptop noctua fans?
That would be the dream
That's one thing I have been asking for a long time. No, not brown Asus GPU or brown Seasonic PSU though those are nice. I will definitely buy a Noctua laptop cooler and take it out with my laptop when I am waiting in the airport for all to see.
OOhh - yes please! Noctua would very likely be majorly unsatisfied with biscuit fans and we'd finally get our hands on those solid-state cooling chips that make the news about once a year for the last decade. (The AirJet, according to google.)
@@CyberiusT make the laptops slightly thicker and just put a bigger heatsink and cooler in there. Made from Noctua of course, and can put better cpu's in there.
I'll be getting that desk fan. I can magnetically attach it to the bottom of my Secret Lab desk and keep my junk cool.
LTT Berry Fan needs to be a product
or you can 3d print one for literally 0.1% of the cost
I've been eyeballing the Secretlab desk for a while now. Is it super big? I need something that will allow me to have three monitors, my AV receiver, a right and left channel speaker, and a huge center channel speaker. My desktop being on the desk is optional, but that would be cool too.
Ultra-quiet gooch cooler is a MUST
@@lottie-bu2jnand buy a motor
I am glad I bought a NH-D15 in the past, its been with me for many years now and faithfully keeps working.
TBH I love Noctua for the simple fact that they engineer the snot out of everything, so that you know that even though the prices are high, you’re getting truly their best effort to make the best product imaginable. And while some of those gains might be approaching the diminishing returns category, you pretty much know that before you buy it. And also their shizz lasts forever, so price over time is honestly cheaper than a cheap cooler.
Can confirm. Almost 16 years of nearly continuous service on my NH-U12 - the only remaining mechanical part from that build. I feel like I should buy a Noctua hoodie or something to show appreciation for such quality engineering.
Well dont forget that quality performance parts tend to also last longer, plus aren't they also known for being quieter than at least stock cooling on most stuff frm old computers and consoles to stuff like this, a power supply XD
@@random_n Same here, I bought a case to fit my 8 year old NH-D14 after Noctua was willing to send new mounting hardware for free.
@@random_n I have bought 4 of their hoodies, each color twice, I lost one, grew out the of the other. Best hoodies I own, hands down. 10/10. I can't shill enough for their hoodies, they could legit transition to making clothes, the hood comfort is unreal. My gf won't stop stealing them tho so I don't actually get to wear them that often. : (
Anyway, 10/10 hoodies, the grey one runs a little small though, that's the only weird thing, brown is true to size, but grey is on the smaller end of normal. I would definitely recommend getting one. You will not regret it
@@SrKinko I'm considering an upgrade in the near future and didn't know this was a thing. Thank you!
i went with a back then overkill noctua cpu cooler and im still using it to this day years later with no issues at all. Gotta love a future proof well build product, 100% worth the extra money i payed for it back then
I bought the shittiest and cheapest air cooler I could find on amazon and I'm still using it today 8 years later with no issues at all. That's gotta be at least 200% worth the money spent then
Have you seen air coolers getting broken after years of use? I haven't. Cheap ones are great too.
Paid*
Eh i'm on a Scythe that i got well over a decade ago and i'm still using that, still running smoothly. They too upgraded me to a new socket, charged me uhh basically less than shipping cost for the upgrade in total including shipping.
@@G91YS Yeah i've actually got a Deepcool Gammax 300 that isn't doing so well and this started right after warranty ran out. The fan isn't spinning smoothly any longer. There is no oil hole in the fan motor, and the fan is proprietary can't truly replace it with something else, it's got a nonstandard mount pattern. The heatsink also relies on a 120mm fan with an integrated funnel to channel it into a smaller 100mm-ish heatsink.
Linus really made a great point. I remember getting into watercooling in 2005ish and buying all the parts then wondering why my thermals were complete ass. Well, new paste, checking platform, checking pressure and i never got it right until I swapped to an older modded block. Such a PITA
Nocuta's long term support reminds me of Asetek's customer support in the AlthonXP days. I bought one of their blocks second hand at a carboot sale but the acrylic was full of hairline cracks, sent them an email and they shipped a replacement with fittings, a spread of fine sandpaper from 400-2000grit, (it was around the era of the "lapping" craze) along with some thermal pads and several sheets of branded stickers for free!
If they hadn't gone all in on patent restricting AOIs and holding the industry back by decades, they would have won a customer for life with that interaction!
Love Noctua. Please dont stop being amazing.
I replaced my built-in power supply fan with a noctua one, didn't die, didn't burn, winning
Noctua definitely probably has one of those uber expensive solid works flow simulation licenses
"definitely probably" absolutely likely
how expensive we talking
@@boy638 It cost... "contact us"
Likely a despoke program that is even better honestly.
No shot, that CFD solver is pretty barebones, if they're designing at this level I mean they just have to be using something like StarCCM or Ansys Workbench
I bought a Lian Li SFX 850W PSU and the stock fan was so loud at times, that i thought my PC was overheating or something like that. It took me a while to realize that it was the PSU, but after i figured that out, i ofcourse searched online for the same issue and found a guy who did just that on reddit. Ordered the fan (wrong one the first time, it had to be 14mm thick.) and installed it by cutting the stock fan in the middle of its wire and cut the noctua's molex adapter wire from the middle and put them together by using e-tape and zipties. I was so worried that it wouldn't turn on at all and overheat my PSU, and i had no way to know during boot, since the PSU only spun up when over 60c. But it worked!
This! My build is a smorgasbord of hacks and hardware alterations. It may not look like a $2k PC but.... It's mine!
I'm always happy to pay a good bit more for noctua products because of their dedication to backwards compatibility and just plain making great products. At this point I have undoubtedly saved money by not having to buy 3 other heatsinks over the past 15 years.
Yooo that's awesome! So fun fact; thermosyphons and pumpless refrigeration is very prevalent in industrial applications in ammonia! The orientation will be super important, but essentially the refrigerant heats up on the CPU and turns into a gas, the gas feeds into the fan coils at the top of the radiator on the GPU (from what I see), condenses into a liquid filling the thermosyphon and then overflowing into the reservoir on top of the cpu! It makes sense! It would only take a very minimal amount of charge, and you could theoretically refill a depleted system (once leaks are corrected) with refrigerant you use on your car! I almost want to make one myself!
I think the only way that it makes sense for noctua to continue to optimize for dye area, is to have early samples of where the hotspots are, and not reviewer early sample, cause they would need more time than reviewer samples.
But if they did get early samples, they could just start selling the heatsinks as an interchangeable unit from the rest of the cooler, making it kind of similar to a subscription model for enthusiasts. Alongside a specific built heatsink for a specific CPU, they could also sell a general use heatsink, that instead of being optimized for a CPU, its generally good across a spectrum of CPUs.
Also the desk fans are great, especially if you have old fans laying around, great way to reuse a product (Remember the 3 Rs)
Yep. Reduce and Reuse often get forgotten, and many places, Recycle is often a lie or way to complicated for things with composite construction or food residue.
"you cannot steal a thought, only copy it without permission" -Totally me back in 1737BC 😊
I bought the Noctua desk fan a two months ago. I use it everyday keeps my hand and arms not so sweaty. Could use some tweaking in what they include but overall very happy.
There’s always the risk that a hose will kink, but when it comes to thermo syphons, that’s just the kind of steamy kink my pipes are hot for.
Ooooooh!
Everyone is complaining about the cost of the desk fan but I can see its use in lots of places away from the desk. The first thing I keep thinking of is those little fans they have for the driver on coach busses, trucks, farm equipment, etc., where it makes sense to have a durable, robust fan that focuses it's airflow to one location, and where a big company would be able to afford to install the fans in their fleet a lot more readily.
That's why they actually named it a "multi purpose" fan kit, nowhere is it marketed purely as a desk fan!
Part of the complaining is more at the power supply included with the product being valued at 30 dollars, when it probably costs them maybe 2 dollars in bulk orders.
I did the power supply 4 years ago. I also remove the fan grill for sound. Works great, extremely silent.
W take on the desk fan and coldplate, thanks Linus. Haven't heard those arguments before, definitely changed my view
I have been using Noctua fans since 2016, still working great that and my Gigabyte Ultra Motherboard.
Used in a dusty and smokey and humid environment.
hi ltt i love Noctua . Nouctua gang !!!!!
nice bro
mee too
noctua gang !!!
noctua boi!!!!
lovers of noctua
lovers of noctua
7:07 I’m glad to see that someone is making use of the Martin’s Liquid Lab mirror I’ve kept up on the old Petra’sTech server for all these years!
I really love Noctua's approach here. Next time I need a fan, I know where to go.
As someone who has lapped their own zalman flower heat sinks back in the day before switching to noctua, has replaced the fan in a PSU with noctua fan and has one of those sabertooth tuf brown and green motherboards, I can get behind all of these products with no problems. I’m even sold on the desk fan, if I got one of them I’d use it and it’s modular components for the rest of my life.
Ltt is the only channel where people are exited for ad reads
Some channels make skits etc which are basically just good content that happens to be an ad!
people no just you yes
I'm waiting for more on the Prime TX600 and second-gen NH-D15. Also curious about the thermosiphon prototype. Whether we like it or not, innovation and variety push the industry forward.
how can anyone hear a psu fan over their cpu or gpu or case fans?
6:55 this shot. Chef’s kiss to the camera operator
Nice touch with the Noctua Brown outro screen
2 of my favorite brands combined in a product, well I know what I'm gonna get for my next build
NawkTuah
Love me some NOC TUAH! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The new D15 took almost as long to design as the LTT screwdriver
I did this a few years ago, and still run it. It's one of their small SFX-L PSUs and I've fitted a slim 120mm noctua fan inside it. It works incredibly
Oke now I'm wanting to see them make laptop fans
9:49 ive been running the same Aio since mid 2018 at 100% pump speed 100% of the time. I got it for a 9900k and its currently cooling a 13700kf perfectly. Seems pretty gosh dang reliable to me 🤷♂️
1) Make goofy fan grill
2) Fix goofy fan grill
3) Call it multi-year R&D
nauk-tuah...missed opportunity
finally I dont need to hurt myself putting a noctua fan in my power supply for my all noctua setup
For the cpu cooler issue, it depends on how they market it, if they make the 2 cpu specific ones as a separate line or make sure to specify that it's for enthusiasts only then it could be alright. It's available for the enthusiasts who don't have the tools to custom level their contact plates themselves and all the people who want the best compatibility just buys the regular edition.
With how good their coolers are, even if the contact area becomes an issue with future cpu's it'll likely still get better performance and less noise than the stock cooler.
we need a AMD-Noctua collab to make the cooler already part of the CPU, you just need to awkwardly look from the side when putting it in the slot, but the thermal contact is unrivalled
Hope these come out soon for when I upgrade my 9 year old pc. Still runs and while not as super used as it could be, it also would be nice to be able to feel a difference in performance for another ten years or so. Plus better cooling and lesser sound is even better. Course just need a chunky case to not worry about cooling for the days of summer where you sweat the second you go outside.
It's amazing how much attention to shape Noctua pays. One of the coolest aspects of modern computer hardware is optimization through raw geometry.
I printed one of those fan shrouds and attached it to a San Ace 120x38mm fan that at max speed is 6400rpm and its insane. Insanely loud, and an insane amount of air even 20ft away.
Linus you are on stage at the Computex 2024, making videos at location with the same kind of sens humor and editing. I like it, it's surprising!
Noctua spit on that thing
I actually really want that desk fan enhancer shroud thing. Guess it's a lucky day for me!
Next we need a noctua framework laptop
thanks! I was trying to design my own fan shroud, didn't know they made the blueprint avail. They've got all my business now...
at 8:56 i was fully expecting a sponsor
A great solution would be buying a contact frame, such as one like thermalright, in combination with standard coolers. even if you require a generational upgrade lets say in 8 years or longer, all you have to do is buy another solid frame which costs way less, but can achieve optimal thermal performance if you care for that extra headroom with minimal deviance from a dedicated cooler.
Making 3 versions of a CPU cooler to get slightly better contact is such a Noctua move
gotta minmax the cooling
It's not. Like Linus said, it's the opposite. Noctua doesn't have a lot of variants or huge product lines. Putting so much effort into current CPUs when the contact plates will change over time is new for them.
@@BigBoyJay_69 if you want future proofness then buy the standard shape base. and the people who want the extra 1-2 degrees can but the other versions
@@BigBoyJay_69I hope reviewers test it with some older CPUs (hopefully ones that haven't lived in a test bench) to see what the performance is like on products it isn't tailored to. I can't see hotter die areas going away any time soon, so it may still end up better long term as long as they provide good mounting options to target hotter die areas.
The noctua NV-FS1 and NV-FS2 (the desk fan and the passive cooled device fan thing) are actually one of the products that made me super excited
My desk area is in a cubby under the bunk bed my dad made when I was a kid.
the wall plug powered fan controller (from a trusted brand) will allow me to add airflow to my desk space so it doesn't get as hot.
My favorite part about these trade shows is how the different channels present all of the same information differently. This was easier to digest than GamerNexus’ video.
No hate to GN but LTT is just more enjoyable to watch
@@schwuzi GN is a huge stat nerd so if you want the numbers hes your guy. LTT is more for entertainment and magazine like reviewing.
forget the stats, show me reality
I'd say that L1 is more for IT engineers, but I generally agree with your statement. @@niikon
@@schwuziIt is but for reviewsof hardware i will trust him or Hardware unboxed or some other channels, ltt is just something I watch for entertainment.
New build planed with this monster of an power supply and the new NH-D15 Gen 2, and of course a airflow optimized case full of the NF-A14 Gen 2
Don't go to 6:00 and look at the left
@@FuzzyLiama nice
there is something so admirable about Noctua and the insane strive for air blowing related perfection. can't wait for the new PSU may do an all Noctua build in the fractal North.
petition for linus to grow his beard back
I just got done putting NF-A12x25s in my PSUs a couple of months back.
(After wearing gloves and draining the main capacitor.)
Some Silverstone PSUs don't have enough minimum voltage to turn a NF-A12x25.
The Silverstone ET500 can turn a NF-P12 redux-1300 with no load.
Noc Tua, you gotta spit on that thang!
noc tuah, spin on that thang
This makes me want to build a Noctua themed pc.
Really glad for LTT and GN being what they are especially for something such as this - two well informed and differing arguments on a specific topic, both valid, and i get the benefit of weighing up what i value more with the information provided. Keep it up y'all. I'm a................big fan.
In another life we’d see a cute video of a nice little interaction between Linus and Steve from Gamer’s Nexus 🥹🥲 rest in peace friendship 🙏🏽
lol, was waiting for this
The knife thing at the beginning got me. RIP Mannheim
So even better all Noctua build. If only they had Noctua motherboards
Beige and brown motherboard? 🙎♀️
@@maksimfedoryak you could find that color scheme on motherboards back in the day. I'd like to see a "Pro" or "Expert" type mobo come back with that kind of colorway.
Every business that Noctua engages in increases the value of that product, so good for you, Noctua.
I actually would like it if Noctua would come out with 38mm depth fans across their product stack. I like buying old server gear for my home lab but the fans on those are designed for datacenter use where noise doesn't matter and where the server is expected to be both at 100% utilization the whole time and where it is packed next to a bunch of other servers also pumping out heat. I throw in noctua fans right now to bring the noise levels under control but I do worry if the chassis have enough static pressure to actually cool the system and I don't even bother with coolers and GPUs that are fanless because they expect to be cooled by the case fans pushing air across them.
Literally right as I am about to finish my new build they go and drop this. If i ever find need of a second PC i can finally do my all beige and brown build.
Bangin intro 🤣
This power supply comes under the don't let your memes be dreams category.
Noctua: *Backstabbed Linus and stole his idea*
Linus: *'Tis but a scratch.*
Also, he got his "Vision" from Chief Vision Officer stolen by Noctua.
I've now seen 3 videos of the same booth before LTT put theirs out but it's easily the most watchable because it not only has a great amount of information but it also has that entertainment layer.
A new all noctua pc it is then.
A couple of years ago the fan in my AX1200 started making noise. I wired in a NF-A14 iPPC-3000 and it has been cool and silent ever since.
I have nothing to say
As a mechanical engineer who happens to design custom coolers for our products, I loved this video.
Also, a fans ability to overcome 'back pressure' is its static air pressure rating and makes a mountain of difference of the performance of the fan in confided spaces.
SFF PCs MUST have fans with high static air pressure values.
My gaming SFF is the size of a lunchbox and fits in a backback. It holds a 12th gen i5 paired to a RTX 3080 with no thermal throttle :)
Sounds like a skill issue
I've had my Noctua NH-D15 for 11 years across 3 builds and it's still a beast. I love Noctua
just comment on this comment (reply) to grab linus attention !!!
ok bro....
Mmmmm
Will there be an 2000'ish Watt version PSU for the EU & Nordic HEDT/GPU station markets? Pretty please? :) I'm still looking for a solid stable one to power my 4x 3090 GPU workstation. Thanks.
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