Mark and Sam After Work (the western Australian speedshop mechanic & ULR shooter) demonstrates that for Handloaders, 300 win mag can run heavier projectiles with LESS pressure than 300PRC due to case/chamber design allowing slightly higher velocity… I know it sounds counter intuitive but this gentleman demonstrates and explains why.
You hit the nail on the head with ammo availability for the .300 PRC. If Hornady is the only game in town along with limited loads, it will become another "has been" in the .30 caliber cartridge world.
The 300 PRC and the 300 Win Mag have exactly, the same performance, Exept the 300 PRC uses a longer Action/magazine that alows heavier/longer Bullets. If you look at the availability of cartridges in 30 Cal, #1 308, #2 30-06, #3 300 WM and a tie between 300 Blackout and the 30-30 Win. Guess the millions of 30 cal users are not going to trade in their rifles for the new kid on the block. I'm geting a used 300 Weatherby and will rebarrel to 300 WM. Mag action/magazine, and can seat out the heavy/streamlined bullets to 300 PRC performance, and still use factory ammo
The reason 6.5 prc took off was because it fit a role people wanted, “magnum creedmoor” many including myself saw the creed’s numbers and said “pass.” Those same people like myself say the prc numbers and said “that’s what I wanted.”
The problem with the 6.5 prc is a few companies cheat and chamber it in long actions. Negating the “advantage” of it being a shortish action length. But to say it’s a “complete waste.” Nosler load data, prc drives the 150 grain ablr to a blazing 3050 with four different powders. 6.5x284 wasn’t even tested at that weight. What cartridge was a waste of time?
I love my 300 PRC. Using it for mule deer and ELK. I have a 6.5 prc in the same brand of rifle and I was shocked how little the difference in recoil between the 2 was. Great video, Lots of great points.
I think you spoke volumes when you stated that the 30-caliber field is already well-established. Shooters are proud of their 30 caliber choices, like no others out there. It's hard for even the mighty Hornady Manufacturing Company to get in there with that kind of playing field to market against, regardless of innovation and marketing muscle. My own personal restraints lie in hunting and shooting philosophy. I'm don't have access to ELR distances and won't shoot at any big game at distances that make this round so appealing at being able to handle. I think it's capabilities are cool but not cool enough to buy a new gun for. Great discussion! It's been on my mind all day...
This and 264 win mag is hard to find factory ammo for. I like the effectiveness of 264 but don’t have the time to reload for it. 6.5 PRC is close enough for my hunting and target shooting needs.
The 300 PRC is behind in 7mm PRC ammo sales. That being said the 7mm PRC is edging out 7mm Mag after less than a year. The age of the archaic belted magnum is slipping into history.
Well, a couple of weeks ago I went to a LR shoot and 4 guys (including me) where shooting the 300PRC to 2k and I must say they performed well. But not saying it can not de done with an other similar cartridges and that it is some kind of magic. However, I must say, I like it 😎 Thanks vor sharing.
Excellent points all, very well presented. The other PRC's offer real differences where the 300 PRC will only be appreciated by the few long range shooters who can withstand the recoil of a 300 mag. Plus the 7mm PRC arrives downrange with all the accuracy and less recoil than a 300 PRC.
My theory is that PRC is targeted at factory ammo shooters and cost is a real issue. It is an awesome round if you can afford the rifle, scope and ammo to feed it. If you reload, high bc bullets can be used with the other 30 cal chamberings. The cost of a fast twist barrel is way more cost effective. 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag is not much different.
On the flip side of the coin, 300 PRC seems more procurable than 300 WSM. At least it can be bought off the shelf. Maybe this is a topic for an episode. Is 300 WSM dying or being eliminated by manufacturers?
@@diggernash1 I am a big fan of 6.5 PRC. In Houston, Hornady ELDX and Match go for 55-65 a box. The Norma Golden Target goes for 39 a box and shoots great for me. The 300 PRC is only occasionally on the shelves from Hornady and cost 75-95 a box. I think this is the biggest part of the problem with 300 PRC. Once you start reloading these calibers, and the similar older variants, the differences in performance lessen.
@@wyattallen9289 Did you buy any factory ammo? I saw some Precision Hunter at a big box store in Texas today for $89.99. I’m hoping that someday the price comes down into the $2 per round range. I still think price of ammo is why the chambering is not more popular. Same for some of the great Weatherby chamberings. I do see some 300 PRC on Ammoseek in the $2.25 range but that is before shipping, which looks to be in the $20 range. $65 for mail order is better than $90 for off the shelf gratification.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. The only thing I would add is this video discusses factory offerings of the 30 PRC ammo. In my opinion a lot of the crowd that is attracted to the 30 PRC are reloaders. As long as brass is available the reloader is good to go. I currently own a 300 WM and would love to upgrade to the PRC, but I am waiting to see if brass availability improves. Right now you can find it, but it is expensive. Quite a bit more than what I can get 300 WM brass for.
Not trying to pick a fight, but does a shorter action and heavier bullet really make it an upgrade when factory ammo is almost nonexistent. We're loading .300 Win. Mags every day non stop, and still can't make enough of those. Whatever you choose doesn't really matter I guess, as long as you have fun with it! Thomas, Mississippi!!
@@thomashaley7657 In response to what you said: I don't buy factory ammo so ammo availability is not as important to me. I reload everything I shoot, so if there is brass available I am good to go and I can find brass for the PRC. I would agree with you to some extent that me calling the PRC an UPGRADE might have been a poor choice of words. For probably 80-90% of the shooters out there the 300 WM will get the job done in any hunting situation just fine. The main reason that I would consider switching from my WM to the PRC is the belt. The 300 WM has a belt which means that head spacing is done off the belt rather than off the shoulder. I also like the slightly longer neck on the PRC. Are those two things UPGRADES? Yes, but not huge ones. With regard to the heavier bullets, I am not a long range hunter. My hunting shots are almost always under 300 yards and the 165g-180g class bullets work just fine at those ranges. At the end of the day, I would strongly agree with you that the 300 WM is a proven winner and it is not going anywhere.
A 300 PRC needs a 3.7-3.8" Magnum action lengh. If you get a 3.8" action and rebarrel for the 300WM, you have the exact same performace as the 300PRC with reloaded(220-250 grns) long bullets. You allready got the brass and the equipment. I'm doing it with the 7 Rem Mag. Mag action, rebarreled for 7RM and a bit long throated carbon barrel. Just for hunting and doubt will use heavier than 180 grns bullets
Very good video, I guess I fell into a rare category, I am new to hunting and shockingly did not have a 30 caliber hunting rifle (well maybe my 300blk) so I got to start from scratch, I chose a 300PRC because I figured it was the best option for both hunting and LRPS, but you're right, If I had a 30cal already, I probably wouldn't have bought it
@@ReloadingWeatherby I really want to, I have a single stage press but haven't gotten all the other stuff needed, to be honest I watch a lot but still kinda nervous to take the leep
I bought a Cascade in 300prc for like 700$ to see how much I would enjoy the round and it is a blast to shoot so far and the recoil isn't bad supressed and ammo is very easy for me to get locally. So all in all fun round.
I love my 300prcs. HMR wilderness for my precision rifle and a wilderness ridge for my hunting rifle. Incredible cartridge supressed, no replacement for displacement
Good topic, today! Yes, the 300 PRC does not really solve a need in the 30 caliber arena. As you mentioned, there really isn’t enough difference from a practical standpoint. Especially for hunters. And it has more recoil than the other PRCs. And it’s not as well supported in comparison to the other PRCs, and many older cartridges as well. I think the 7mm PRC will be far more popular than the 300 PRC. Also, we can’t overlook the geopolitical and pandemic aspects that have affected supply chain issues all over the world and in all industries. All of that has impacted the gun and ammo industries as well, in terms of support, over the last few years. And inflation is cutting into discretionary funds that were previously being spent on nonessential items. That is affecting many shooters and hunters right now, as well.
Here is what a lot of people forget about when comparing new cartridges. As someone like me living in an area that requires lead free, the 300PRC is a much better option for seating super long heavy lead free bullets. A 300 win mag almost 70% of that same bullet is seated inside of the case reducing powder charge and also cannot be seated further out to improve accuracy. Also head spacing is more accurate on a beltless vs a belted cartridge. The 300prc is pretty much the factory option for dudes that used to custom chamber a long throated 300 win mag. In terms of hand loaders and lead free hunters the 300prc takes the cake.
@@RuggedSportsmen In a standard/long action the limit to OAL cartridge is the Magazine. With a 300 PRC you need a Magnum/3.6" OAL action/magazine. If you have a rifle where there is 1/4" of space between the 300WM bullet and front of magazine. you can handload whatever bullet. I have a very old 30-06 that will rebarell to 35 Whelen, and when afordable will get a 300 Weatherby(Used $500, new $700) and rebarrel($500 to $1000) to 300 Win Mag. Long throated for those long copper bullets (Doubt will use anything heavier than 200 Grns) I reload, and have thought about the 300 PRC for a new rifle, but ammo/components are scarce. 300 WM everywere. And the performance is identical with both cartridges, except the heavier bullets
Im still buying one....between the RUM and the Nosler, the PRC just seems to make sense from a cost/benefit standpoint. I can't go back to belted magnums.
Yeah that isn’t true at all. Seekins precision can’t get 300 prc rifles out fast enough. Also the Christensen arms MPR is a hot seller too. 300 prc is taking off. It’s just been a slow burn bc the price per round is a little more than average. It fits in the space between 300 win mag and 338 lapua. Which is needed!
@@ReloadingWeatherby But it actually is selling well. I travel all over the southeast for work and stop in multiple big box and gun stores and most can’t keep it on the shelves.
The WInmag is just so entrenched now its dug in deeper than an Alabama tick. It will eventually give way to the 300 prc just for the fact no one in their right mind would buy a new Winmag over a Prc, why would you? you might as well get the new improved cartridge and faster twist rate barrel. They both will exist in the same universe for a long time simply because there are soooo many Winmags out there but time will eventually see the demise of the Winmag and the more Prcs built every year means the more ammo producers will come on board for it, it is..... INEVITABLE.
Can’t argue that the 300 PRC is a very efficient and fantastic cartridge. However, despite being limited with manufacturers, it does what a handful of cartridges already do in terms of ballistics. Furthermore, some outperform the (300) PRC in all areas including maximizing the use of longer heavier cartridges and having a much more diverse selection of ammunition like the 300 Norma which is also being used by various branches of the US military.
as i mentioned it often in other videos. I live in switzerland, we’re limited in our hunting regulations, minimum 7mm bullet diameter and a maximum shooting distance from 220yrds. so I often thought about getting another rifle just to satisfy my needs 😂 I shoot two 300wm and one 308. For me there’s absolut no need for a new rifle. but I’m Stil looking for a 300rum or 300wby. prc stuff isn’t really available here.
Very well layed out video i dont hate thr prc but if Hornady factory ammunition would shoot very close to the advertised velocity in all the prc line up might would help a lil.cause what i have tested does not .working on a custom 27 nosler will let u know when I get results
Check your action screws, and the barrel channel. And try some standard cup and core bullets. If it wont shoot 180, or 165 grain Hornady Interlocks, or Sierra Game Kings, its definitely sick.
I have a savage 110 stealth 300 win mag. its a 1-8 twist and has a long throat so i can heavy 225 eldms nice and long . Got a larry willis belted magnum collet sizing die and the the brass lasts just as long as a non belted magnum now.
The 300 PRC is a great looking cartridge, but I think the COAL is hurting it as not all long actions and magazines can support it. Also, ballistically it has maybe 50-100 FPS advantage over the 300 WM, or I can give up 100-150 FPS and use the 300 WSM that is very similar looking but 0.9" shorter. Thus the main advantage seems to be being able to seat bullets out away from the doughnut. I think the 7mm PRC has a lot more to offer since it has all of the advantages of the 300 PRC and none of its disadvantages.
it may not be popular, but I feel like all roads LEAD to it like this HAS to be the round that the new high BC shooters will upgrade to when they begin to aspire to longer distances all th 6.5 guys and the prc family guys, all roads lead to the 300 PRC
I see the 6.5 being loaded at work constantly. Honestly I'm sick of hearing about anything 6.5. I'd much rather be hearing about the .264 Winchester, or even the .260 Remington. I've got two boxes of .260 that I can't even give away! 50 years ago when .30 was King, the .30 PRC would have left a serious mark! Thanks for the videos and info. Thomas, Mississippi!!
If Whitetails here in the south start wearing body armor I’d buy one, Until then I’ll stick with the old, The price of ammo has pushed me back to my standard calibers, Africa would be a good place for that round, Elephants, Water buffalo, etc.
@@TimBiagi shoots great from my tests. Very consistent once you get used to the recoil. As for the rifle although its on the cheaper side for a caliber like this it handles it well and hasn’t gave me any issues this far. Just keep the barrel well oiled and good to go!
The other issue that I see with the newer ilk of cartridges is that there is no real way to shoot light bullets accurately. The jump if you were to ever load a 180 or a 150 into a 300 prc from the case to the rifling can not have a great effect on accuracy
Good video and I agree, I think the other thing to note too is that the 300wm fits in a standard long action. As always, even if you were to take advantage of some more extreme heavy bullets that take advantage of the higher twist, your velocity would be similar to a 6.5 creed and eventually there is diminishing returns.
I agree with everything you said with exception to the 300 PRC having similar ballistics to the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 300 PRC demolishes the 6.5 Creedmoor with high b.c. bullets and velocity. But how many people want to deal with the recoil of a 300 PRC? Not many.
Thanks for replying! My comment may not have been very clear and I agree, very different performance from the standpoint of 300 PRC vs 6.5 Creed. I was just trying to make a point by saying, just because you can put a higher BC bullet in there, doesn’t mean it’s optimal. To exaggerate even further, you put a 500gr bullet in a 300 PRC cartridge (provided you had the twist rate and cartridge overall length) you would end up with low enough velocities to where that would no longer be an advantage. 300 PRC I would say is not optimized to take advantage of a higher twist, which is also where the limitations of the 6.5 creed would be for requiring optimal expansion in a hunting scenario. I hope this makes more sense.
The RUM can also handle those rounds and get about the same fps as the PRC as well. Actually went with the RUM because there were way more options to use for reloading than the PRC
As far as the powder capacity goes for the 300 win mag, you can use faster powder in the 4831 or 4350 burn rate and the powder capacity won't be an issue.
4831 or 4350 wont get heavier bullets up to 300prc velocity. For instance, a 190 grain barnes LRX the 300 winmag has a max compressed powder charge of 78.7 grains vs the same bullet and powder for the 300prc has a max compressed powder charge of 88.3 with a velocity difference of 245fps faster in the 300prc.
RW, I think the 300 PRC lacked the marking campaign of many of the new cartridges. Couple that with the lack of rifle availability and ammo availability, what you get is just another good cartridge that will soon be in the obsolete category. As you so rightly pointed out, the PRC isn't doing anything that the Win., Weatherby and RUM haven't been doing for years. I see no reason to make a change, even if I could find a rifle and ammo. Soon it'll be with the 300 SAUM. Cheers, Jeff
I shoot 180 gr Berger vlds out of my 7mm rem mag with a 1:9.5 twist I think it depends on your elevation. Im in Wyoming though higher than most however I would need a 1:8.5 twist if I wanted to shoot 185s to 195s.
@@ReloadingWeatherby It takes a long time for hunters to change their minds from the old faithful to something with better numbers. That is a big chunk of shooters not swayed easily. And winning the cartridge race in 30 cal is the hardest of them all. You made really good point in the video. 👍 Cheers from Sweden
Great video, you made a lot of really great points. However, there’s a really important one I think you left out. The advantage the 300 PRC gives over the win mag is range. But does anyone actually use the win mag at range? Yes, I know there are military snipers chambered in 300 win mag. Not counting that exception, who is using 300 win mag for precision rifle? That seems to be what Hornady had in mind for the cartridge, after all they did call it the Precision Rifle Cartridge. But no one uses magnum 30 cals for precision rifle. It has no real trajectory advantage over the 6.5 creed or 6mm creed. With the disadvantages of much more recoil, and much more cost. Good luck shooting a match with 250 grain A-tips. Your wallet will be a whole lot lighter, and your shoulder a whole lot more bruised than everyone else playing the game. And (almost) no one is hunting at the ranges of where 300 PRC begins to edge out the win mag in performance. So really the only people who would actually buy a 300 PRC are the sniper LARP type people, and there aren’t a ton of them.
Agree with some things you said but also disagree on others. 300 PRC absolutely destroys the 6mm Creedmoor and 6.5 Creedmoor at long distance shooting. But... no one wants to shoot a high recoiling 30 caliber magnum for fun. (Except me)
If you want a big 30 cal go with the 300 norma mag. Shorter case which allows you to seat 230-250 gn projectiles out far while magazine feeding. And pushing 230gns at over 3100fps depending on barrel length. Also the US military have adopted the norma cartridge as ther new advanced sniper round
Norma is 2x the price as 300prc. 300prc can be had now cheaper than 300wm and it preforms better. I think the main reason it didn't take off is simply people don't want the recoil of the win mag, prc or norma
I put together a Custom 300 PRC Big Horn Action Preferred Barrel Blsnks Barrel 1:9 twist, 250gr A-Tips, Lapua Brass, Ramshot LRT powder, 2850fps, .346 MOA. That my friends is a missile strike. You have to hand load to see the real performance of .300 PRC
You have to look at what you would use it for. The main focus for this cartridge is hunting. Not many are going to shoot it in competition. In 30 caliber, the 300 WSM is probably the most popular. No it doesn't do well with the heaviest 30 bullet, but it will shoot many effective hunting bullets very accurately with the least amount of recoil in the 30 caliber magnums and is widely available in factory loads. With this new generation of 6.5 Creed shooters out there, they will never switch to a 300 PRC due to the recoil level. I also think the 7mmPRC will suffer the same fate. The 7mm Rem Mag is pretty much the most recoil hunter will take in hunting rifles shooting in field positions. Not many will shoot 7mmPRC in competition either. The 300 WSM is pretty much the highest recoil cartridge that sees some use in competition.
@@ReloadingWeatherby that’s good! My 300win struggles to stabilize anything over 200. I didn’t try enough load development though. 180s tend to stack right in there with very little load development.
I would think more people are shooting paper over animals these days which is why the most popular calibers are light recoil high bc. People just want to shoot for fun or sport.
The ammo is only part of it. The other equation is that a special 30 cal is not necessary to shoot long range. A standard 10 twist will stabilize some excellent high bc bullets.
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😳 I went to their website and they do have faster 1 in 8 twist barrels, for their 6.5's (like the 6.5 prc), but they aren't chambering anything in the 270 Winchester, from what I could see in any of their model 90's! 😭
Itll pick up when more people make ammo all i ever see is Hornaday ammo for the 300 and its 65 to 80 bucks a box more close to 80. COME ON FEDERAL PUT SOME LIFE IN IT ALL IT NEEDS IS A TERMINAL ASCENT!!!
🕵️♂️ I think that they are either having supply chain issues or are too busy trying to fill military contracts! From what I have heard, it is more of the latter! All Your Ammunition is Going to Ukraine, Thanks to Joe Biden! 🤣
The 300 PRC is just more gun than I would want. I think the 300 WSM in a Tikka would be perfect since you can modify it easily and load bullets out more. If I was looking for a good grizzly gun then yes the 300 PRC would be great but to be honest you don't really need that kind of power either even for them.
🕵️♂️ And the number of factory loads in various bullet weights, whereas the 300 prc only deals with the heavier bullets! If you look at the 338 WM, by comparison, it can accomplish the same thing (Muzzle Velocities of 2850 ft/s with similar weight bullets and similar trajectories, by using Bullets with B.C.'s over 0.6) that the 300 prc can do and with less powder and recoil and with a larger frontal diameter bullets! The 338 WM has more heavy bullets, hunting bullets, and quality bullet options too! 🤔
🕵️♂️ If we look at the Nosler #9 Online Manual, the 338 WM (with 71.5 grains of IMR 4350 powder) will push a 225 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (B.C. of 0.611) at a Muzzle Velocity of 2,882 ft/s, generate 36.93 ft lbs of recoil, and only drop -36.3" at 500 yards (when sighted in at 200 yards)! Meanwhile, that new 215 grain Terminal Accent bullet, out of the 300 prc, is going 2,860 ft/s and will have -36.5 " of drop at 500 yards! And, the 300 WM (using 76 grains of Reloader 26 Powder) and pushing a 210 Nosler ABLR bullet will have a -35.8" drop, generate 34.84 ft lbs of recoil, and have a similar starting Muzzle Velocity of 2,874 ft/s! So, the 300 WM has more versatility in the lighter bullets, but if you want to shoot the heavier ones, then the 338 WM has a definite advantage and will make a bigger wound channel, with it's bigger diameter and heavier bullets! 🤑
Great video,but if we compare 7 mm rem mag with the same twist and 7 mm prc,what is the diference??? I think that 7 mm rem is beteer in that comparison.
🤔 The 7mm prc can do it in a 24" barrel, where you would be better of with a 26" barrel in the 7mm Remington Magnum! If that doesn't bother you, nor the belt for head spacing on the 7mm Remington Magnum, then their really won't be that much difference for hunting purposes! 🤷♂️
If you get a rifle like seekins ph2 they have ridiculously long magazine lengths that allow people to seat bullets way out essentially making the 300win even better same goes with the prc.
Fun fact federal discontinued the 215G terminal ascent loading. So can remove that from the list. Which is sad because it’s my favorite bullet. But I’ll be keeping my 300 PRC as a hunting rifle only the outfitter loading is perfect for 400 and in anything outside 400 ELDX or M is perfect
I think for practical hunting distance it’s adds nothing. I personally am just not going to take a shot a 600 yards and even the best shooters predicting the wind is extremely hard. If your trying to shoot steel at 1k sure it’s better.
It’s pretty popular I see 5-10 300prcs minus my own at the range every time I go, cheap to shoot , accurate , goes far with ease , iv used factory ammo and rifle out to a mile and it’s doable
The reason ammunition companies keep inventing new calibers is for profit. Once the hype is done about one card trithey slow down production so you have to buy the reloading equipment‼️ And they make even more money because now they sell primers powder and bullets & brass cases‼️
I love mine. I agree ammo options stink only one manufacturer an just now able to get it easy. Prices are finally getting affordable. Brass is available though an bullets
My Bergera 300 PRC has a 1:9 twist… and boy she’ll fling a 220 eldx through a donut hole at 200 yards. So while I understand the importance of a faster twist, you also are limited speed because of maximum bullet rpm limits. Lighter bullets can’t be shot at higher speeds in fast twist rifles. But one key factor is velocity. People always want faster… the 300 PRC is meant for reaching to the next mountain peak not the next 200 yd scrap of paper.
There are a LOT of people online and on youtube who continue to verbalize that the 300WSM is their favorite caliber of all time and there are a LOT of custom rifle builders who favor the WSM as well due to the significant repeatable non-picky nature and accuracy of the WSM
I know that we're talking about .30's here, but I own one of the first Featherweight short mags in .270. It does shoot pretty accurate. I wish I had bought two. That was around 2001 or 2002.
One of the reasons it hasn’t gone anywhere is there is the 300 Win , 300 Dakota , 300 H&H , 300 WSM , 300 REM short mag , 308 Norma , 300 Norma , 30 Nosler , 300 REM ultra , 300 WBY ( my personal favorite ) ! Boy we sure needed another 300 ??? That not as good as half of the above cartridges and barley as good as the other half ! ……. Get it through your head it’s all about selling new rifles ! What is it really ? A proprietary target cartridge and probably a good one ! We don’t need another 30 caliber hunting cartridge! Oh to soon ???……
For hunting, the 300WM is perfectly fine and much more available. Basically, the 300PRC filled a need that wasn't needed. There are not enough ultra long range target shooters to really make much difference. Super mags have never been big sellers.
👍 You are correct! And, yet, that is not what the customer wants! The proof of that is the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmore! Now, the popularity of the prc cartridges is with the smaller two - the 6.5 prc and 7mm prc - which is much greater than the 300 prc! What most of these companies "refuse to accept" is that most of the country is shooting Whitetail Deer No Bigger than my dog, don't need a Big Magnum, and wouldn't want the recoil either! Currently, 10 States Don't Even Allow Muzzle Breaks Either! So, the "Real Problem" is that these companies are "out of touch" with their customers! And, "That" is NOT a recipe for success either! 🤣 Also, who wants to spend $100 on a Box of Ammunition (when you can even find it)? Not me either! ☹
@@ronlowney4700 I cannot imagine needing anything more powerful than my 280AI or the 30-06 I inherited from my dad. If I did need something bigger to hunt a brown bear, it would be buy rifle, sight in rifle, shoot a box through it, hunt with 2nd box, sell rifle after hunt. Then, practice with my 6mm ARC.
🤣 "Our Needs"? FYI: I LIVE IN THE WEST! 🤭 And, No, It Doesn't Meet My Needs! 🙄 Why? 🕵️♂️ More Recoil Than What I Need to Endure to Kill North American Big Game With! ☹ My 270 Winchester and 30-06 have been filling my freezer for half a century! 😃 So, "No Magnum Necessary"! 🤪
🙂 That is good Austin, but bench rest shooters would rather go off the shoulder than the belt! None the less, belts work fine - but, just like my women, I don't "prefer" the "extra wasteline" around the middle! 🏃♀️ But, to each his own! 🤣
🤪 At $100+/box? 🤷♂️ Ouch! 🤕 I used to be able to buy a case of 10,000 rounds of 22lr for $130 dollars/case! Now, who do you suppose will become a better shooter in the end - the one that can practice all day, or the one that can launch 10 rounds at a country mile once a month? 🤭 Case Closed! 👨⚖ And, I can say that because I have Several Custom Magnums Myself for the same purpose and regret doing so! 😪 Just save your money and buy something in a caliber that you can shoot more frequently! 🤑
Us that like the 300 win mag is starting to get the 300 PRC but is just to much for ammunition and not much avant eg the 300 PRC has over the 300 win mag for the price not good enough. I like the 30 caliber rounds but is not a big difference between the two for hunting. 6.5 prc for the win great deer slayer.
If you already have a big 30. Stay with it. They all work. If you’re buying a new gun go with the 300 prc. I see 300 prc Hornady ammo everywhere. That’s all you need. Reload if you want something different. 300 prc ammo available online for $42. Don’t judge a cartridge because other ammo companies aren’t supporting it. There are more 6.5’s out their. Big 30’s aren’t as big of market. Not everyone can handle it. I’m not getting one because my 338 win mag doesn’t leave any questions that any 30 would answer. Kiss and make up with Hornady Weatherby Boy! I get it. You’re a Weatherby guy. My complaint with your videos is usually you don’t own what you’re ripping up. Never shot it. Never loaded for it. Not really an expert. Your just looking at paper. I love you man! When I get my channel going you can rip me up too!
Except I have reloaded and shot the 6.5 PRC, 6.5 Creed and 300 PRC. You're welcome to disagree with me. But what happens if you don't reload and there are only two options for hunting ammo... and your rifle doesn't like the ELD-X factory and you don't want to shoot a mono bullet.... suddenly you're stuck with a mono bullet you don't want and a ELD-X that doesn't shoot well. Having options is always a good thing.
You boomers are so quick to generalize and assume so much that isnt so. You have no idea what guns he owns. And as far as the 300prc goes, it does nothing extra at REASONABLE HUNTING DISTANCES to justify the extra cost, extra recoil, lack of factory ammo etc etc. Non competition shooters dont need that. Its a marketing gimmick...of which i am not shocked someone with such a feeble mind fell for
300 PRC isn’t going anywhere and I don’t think the 7PRC will come near the popularity of the 6.5PRC. Hornady is great to have in our sport but they cannot convert everybody to their line of cartridges and ammo. They sure supply the marketing and components when they launch but the 300 and 7 looks like a dud compared to your 6.5cm and PRC. Thanks for the video.
300 prc is more popular than you think. I know several guys who switched to it exclusively as their elk cartridge. I built one myself cause rifle availability used to suck but now theirs lots of choices even for cheap rifles. If you own a 300 win mag i wouldn't be in no hurry to get one but if your looking for a new 30 cal I say go for it.
@@thatguyfishingben4794 I agree. It's growing in popularity, but it is still no where close to the popularity of the 300 Win mag. It seems the 300 PRC is popular for the reloaders.
My buddy has two custom 300 prc rifles and I'm building one now. I despise reloading belted cartridges. The prc has all the advantages of the WM with none of the pitfalls. I think the lack of factory ammo is because most people reload it, at least that's what I've seen. I agree though, definitely not even close to the popularity of the WM, but I do see more and more people interested in it. I think it's getting more popular rather than fading away.
The 7mm PRC destroys the .300 and 6.5 when you look at the ballistics…. 7mm PRC is far superior over the other 2…. I wish it would have came out before I bought a .300PRC because it is way better shots a hell of a lot flatter
Have to disagree. Except the 300wm, the other magnum cartridges you list are less popular or more expensive than the 300prc and most of the factory ammo for 300wm is for hunting. 300prc has best factory ammo for long range target, even if it is all Hornady.
300 PRC really doesn’t check any boxes that weren’t already checked. The recoil sucks, and with the cost of components and factory loads it’s a no for me.
The 300prc has taken off, just because there’s not 21 different boxes of ammo doesn’t matter. The 300prc is way better round than 300 win. It’s basically the modern 30 cal just like what hornady did with the 7mm prc
I agree it has gotten more popular. However... the lack of factory ammo is not good. You have only 2 hunting bullet options. What if your rifle doesn't like either one and you don't reload? So much for a precision cartridge.
Mark and Sam After Work (the western Australian speedshop mechanic & ULR shooter) demonstrates that for Handloaders, 300 win mag can run heavier projectiles with LESS pressure than 300PRC due to case/chamber design allowing slightly higher velocity… I know it sounds counter intuitive but this gentleman demonstrates and explains why.
I saw
You hit the nail on the head with ammo availability for the .300 PRC. If Hornady is the only game in town along with limited loads, it will become another "has been" in the .30 caliber cartridge world.
The 300 PRC and the 300 Win Mag have exactly, the same performance, Exept the 300 PRC uses a longer Action/magazine that alows heavier/longer Bullets. If you look at the availability of cartridges in 30 Cal, #1 308, #2 30-06, #3 300 WM and a tie between 300 Blackout and the 30-30 Win. Guess the millions of 30 cal users are not going to trade in their rifles for the new kid on the block. I'm geting a used 300 Weatherby and will rebarrel to 300 WM. Mag action/magazine, and can seat out the heavy/streamlined bullets to 300 PRC performance, and still use factory ammo
The reason 6.5 prc took off was because it fit a role people wanted, “magnum creedmoor” many including myself saw the creed’s numbers and said “pass.” Those same people like myself say the prc numbers and said “that’s what I wanted.”
6.5 PRC is a complete waste! Much rather have a 6.5x284 Norma just like the 300 PRC. Just get a 300 Norma
The problem with the 6.5 prc is a few companies cheat and chamber it in long actions. Negating the “advantage” of it being a shortish action length. But to say it’s a “complete waste.” Nosler load data, prc drives the 150 grain ablr to a blazing 3050 with four different powders. 6.5x284 wasn’t even tested at that weight. What cartridge was a waste of time?
I love my 300 PRC. Using it for mule deer and ELK. I have a 6.5 prc in the same brand of rifle and I was shocked how little the difference in recoil between the 2 was. Great video, Lots of great points.
6.5 PRC is like a 7mm Remmag.
From what im seeing its easily a top 5 most popular cartridge at the moment. And #1 for new elk rifle purchases.
Thanks for watching!
Love mine, a Howa 1500. Hoping to draw a Wyoming elk tag this season...put it through its paces.
I think you spoke volumes when you stated that the 30-caliber field is already well-established. Shooters are proud of their 30 caliber choices, like no others out there. It's hard for even the mighty Hornady Manufacturing Company to get in there with that kind of playing field to market against, regardless of innovation and marketing muscle. My own personal restraints lie in hunting and shooting philosophy. I'm don't have access to ELR distances and won't shoot at any big game at distances that make this round so appealing at being able to handle. I think it's capabilities are cool but not cool enough to buy a new gun for. Great discussion! It's been on my mind all day...
The Ruger cartridges were all made by Hornady, where are they?
The 6.5 PRC was exactly what I wanted, a short action 264 WinMag. Pretty much the only reason I went with it and I am very pleased with it.
This and 264 win mag is hard to find factory ammo for. I like the effectiveness of 264 but don’t have the time to reload for it. 6.5 PRC is close enough for my hunting and target shooting needs.
The 300 PRC is behind in 7mm PRC ammo sales. That being said the 7mm PRC is edging out 7mm Mag after less than a year. The age of the archaic belted magnum is slipping into history.
You think there are more 7 PRC owners than 7mm Rem mag owners now?
@@ReloadingWeatherby You’ll need to re-read my comment first. You seem confused.
@@DemsAreDemonic Where did you get your numbers?
Well, a couple of weeks ago I went to a LR shoot and 4 guys (including me) where shooting the 300PRC to 2k and I must say they performed well. But not saying it can not de done with an other similar cartridges and that it is some kind of magic.
However, I must say, I like it 😎
Thanks vor sharing.
Excellent points all, very well presented. The other PRC's offer real differences where the 300 PRC will only be appreciated by the few long range shooters who can withstand the recoil of a 300 mag. Plus the 7mm PRC arrives downrange with all the accuracy and less recoil than a 300 PRC.
Seems the mil snipers really like 300 PRC
Sold off the old 300 WM for a custom 300 PRC, and I am glad I switched.
Enjoy your 300 PRC
My theory is that PRC is targeted at factory ammo shooters and cost is a real issue. It is an awesome round if you can afford the rifle, scope and ammo to feed it. If you reload, high bc bullets can be used with the other 30 cal chamberings. The cost of a fast twist barrel is way more cost effective. 300 WSM and 300 Win Mag is not much different.
On the flip side of the coin, 300 PRC seems more procurable than 300 WSM. At least it can be bought off the shelf. Maybe this is a topic for an episode. Is 300 WSM dying or being eliminated by manufacturers?
@@robertneal4112 Factory 300 WSM ammo is available around me, but I am a fan of the PRCs.
@@diggernash1 I am a big fan of 6.5 PRC. In Houston, Hornady ELDX and Match go for 55-65 a box. The Norma Golden Target goes for 39 a box and shoots great for me.
The 300 PRC is only occasionally on the shelves from Hornady and cost 75-95 a box. I think this is the biggest part of the problem with 300 PRC. Once you start reloading these calibers, and the similar older variants, the differences in performance lessen.
I got a Cva 300prc for $700
@@wyattallen9289 Did you buy any factory ammo? I saw some Precision Hunter at a big box store in Texas today for $89.99. I’m hoping that someday the price comes down into the $2 per round range. I still think price of ammo is why the chambering is not more popular. Same for some of the great Weatherby chamberings.
I do see some 300 PRC on Ammoseek in the $2.25 range but that is before shipping, which looks to be in the $20 range. $65 for mail order is better than $90 for off the shelf gratification.
I agree with pretty much everything you said. The only thing I would add is this video discusses factory offerings of the 30 PRC ammo. In my opinion a lot of the crowd that is attracted to the 30 PRC are reloaders. As long as brass is available the reloader is good to go. I currently own a 300 WM and would love to upgrade to the PRC, but I am waiting to see if brass availability improves. Right now you can find it, but it is expensive. Quite a bit more than what I can get 300 WM brass for.
Not trying to pick a fight, but does a shorter action and heavier bullet really make it an upgrade when factory ammo is almost nonexistent. We're loading .300 Win. Mags every day non stop, and still can't make enough of those. Whatever you choose doesn't really matter I guess, as long as you have fun with it! Thomas, Mississippi!!
@@thomashaley7657 In response to what you said: I don't buy factory ammo so ammo availability is not as important to me. I reload everything I shoot, so if there is brass available I am good to go and I can find brass for the PRC. I would agree with you to some extent that me calling the PRC an UPGRADE might have been a poor choice of words. For probably 80-90% of the shooters out there the 300 WM will get the job done in any hunting situation just fine. The main reason that I would consider switching from my WM to the PRC is the belt. The 300 WM has a belt which means that head spacing is done off the belt rather than off the shoulder. I also like the slightly longer neck on the PRC. Are those two things UPGRADES? Yes, but not huge ones. With regard to the heavier bullets, I am not a long range hunter. My hunting shots are almost always under 300 yards and the 165g-180g class bullets work just fine at those ranges. At the end of the day, I would strongly agree with you that the 300 WM is a proven winner and it is not going anywhere.
A 300 PRC needs a 3.7-3.8" Magnum action lengh. If you get a 3.8" action and rebarrel for the 300WM, you have the exact same performace as the 300PRC with reloaded(220-250 grns) long bullets. You allready got the brass and the equipment. I'm doing it with the 7 Rem Mag. Mag action, rebarreled for 7RM and a bit long throated carbon barrel. Just for hunting and doubt will use heavier than 180 grns bullets
Very good video, I guess I fell into a rare category, I am new to hunting and shockingly did not have a 30 caliber hunting rifle (well maybe my 300blk) so I got to start from scratch, I chose a 300PRC because I figured it was the best option for both hunting and LRPS, but you're right, If I had a 30cal already, I probably wouldn't have bought it
Are you reloading for your 300 PRC?
@@ReloadingWeatherby I really want to, I have a single stage press but haven't gotten all the other stuff needed, to be honest I watch a lot but still kinda nervous to take the leep
The 300 PRC has peaked my interest (on paper), but I'll always be a fan of my 300 Wby Mag.
I bought a Cascade in 300prc for like 700$ to see how much I would enjoy the round and it is a blast to shoot so far and the recoil isn't bad supressed and ammo is very easy for me to get locally. So all in all fun round.
Enjoy!
Awesome round!
You hit the nail on the head
I agree with you 100% you covered all the bases
Thanks for watching!
I love my 300prcs. HMR wilderness for my precision rifle and a wilderness ridge for my hunting rifle. Incredible cartridge supressed, no replacement for displacement
I love my PRC 300, I hand load 220 Bergers. Fantastic round
And as far as the 7mm Mag, I have the Browning with the 1:8 twist. It loves 185 gr pills
Thanks for watching!
Good topic, today! Yes, the 300 PRC does not really solve a need in the 30 caliber arena. As you mentioned, there really isn’t enough difference from a practical standpoint. Especially for hunters. And it has more recoil than the other PRCs. And it’s not as well supported in comparison to the other PRCs, and many older cartridges as well. I think the 7mm PRC will be far more popular than the 300 PRC. Also, we can’t overlook the geopolitical and pandemic aspects that have affected supply chain issues all over the world and in all industries. All of that has impacted the gun and ammo industries as well, in terms of support, over the last few years. And inflation is cutting into discretionary funds that were previously being spent on nonessential items. That is affecting many shooters and hunters right now, as well.
Here is what a lot of people forget about when comparing new cartridges. As someone like me living in an area that requires lead free, the 300PRC is a much better option for seating super long heavy lead free bullets. A 300 win mag almost 70% of that same bullet is seated inside of the case reducing powder charge and also cannot be seated further out to improve accuracy. Also head spacing is more accurate on a beltless vs a belted cartridge. The 300prc is pretty much the factory option for dudes that used to custom chamber a long throated 300 win mag. In terms of hand loaders and lead free hunters the 300prc takes the cake.
@@RuggedSportsmen In a standard/long action the limit to OAL cartridge is the Magazine. With a 300 PRC you need a Magnum/3.6" OAL action/magazine. If you have a rifle where there is 1/4" of space between the 300WM bullet and front of magazine. you can handload whatever bullet. I have a very old 30-06 that will rebarell to 35 Whelen, and when afordable will get a 300 Weatherby(Used $500, new $700) and rebarrel($500 to $1000) to 300 Win Mag. Long throated for those long copper bullets (Doubt will use anything heavier than 200 Grns) I reload, and have thought about the 300 PRC for a new rifle, but ammo/components are scarce. 300 WM everywere. And the performance is identical with both cartridges, except the heavier bullets
I got the 6.5 creed because it is the perfect southern whitetail and blackbear cartridge👍 I’d get a 300 PRC if I were an elk hunter!
Im still buying one....between the RUM and the Nosler, the PRC just seems to make sense from a cost/benefit standpoint. I can't go back to belted magnums.
Yeah that isn’t true at all. Seekins precision can’t get 300 prc rifles out fast enough. Also the Christensen arms MPR is a hot seller too. 300 prc is taking off. It’s just been a slow burn bc the price per round is a little more than average. It fits in the space between 300 win mag and 338 lapua. Which is needed!
It's popular for those that reload... that doesn't mean it is selling well for the general public that don't reload
@@ReloadingWeatherby But it actually is selling well. I travel all over the southeast for work and stop in multiple big box and gun stores and most can’t keep it on the shelves.
I agree with you Jeff! They sell as fast as they hit the shelves here in Canada!
The WInmag is just so entrenched now its dug in deeper than an Alabama tick. It will eventually give way to the 300 prc just for the fact no one in their right mind would buy a new Winmag over a Prc, why would you? you might as well get the new improved cartridge and faster twist rate barrel. They both will exist in the same universe for a long time simply because there are soooo many Winmags out there but time will eventually see the demise of the Winmag and the more Prcs built every year means the more ammo producers will come on board for it, it is..... INEVITABLE.
Can’t argue that the 300 PRC is a very efficient and fantastic cartridge. However, despite being limited with manufacturers, it does what a handful of cartridges already do in terms of ballistics. Furthermore, some outperform the (300) PRC in all areas including maximizing the use of longer heavier cartridges and having a much more diverse selection of ammunition like the 300 Norma which is also being used by various branches of the US military.
In the custom rifle realm the 300PRC is popular. I believe factory ammo options are low hence custom rifle owners roll their own.
I agree. It's a reloaders cartridge
I love it. I'll buy it all then for myself.
as i mentioned it often in other videos.
I live in switzerland, we’re limited in our hunting regulations, minimum 7mm bullet diameter and a maximum shooting distance from 220yrds.
so I often thought about getting another rifle just to satisfy my needs 😂
I shoot two 300wm and one 308.
For me there’s absolut no need for a new rifle.
but I’m Stil looking for a 300rum or 300wby.
prc stuff isn’t really available here.
Very well layed out video i dont hate thr prc but if Hornady factory ammunition would shoot very close to the advertised velocity in all the prc line up might would help a lil.cause what i have tested does not .working on a custom 27 nosler will let u know when I get results
Check your action screws, and the barrel channel. And try some standard cup and core bullets. If it wont shoot 180, or 165 grain Hornady Interlocks, or Sierra Game Kings, its definitely sick.
I have a savage 110 stealth 300 win mag. its a 1-8 twist and has a long throat so i can heavy 225 eldms nice and long . Got a larry willis belted magnum collet sizing die and the the brass lasts just as long as a non belted magnum now.
The 300 PRC is a great looking cartridge, but I think the COAL is hurting it as not all long actions and magazines can support it. Also, ballistically it has maybe 50-100 FPS advantage over the 300 WM, or I can give up 100-150 FPS and use the 300 WSM that is very similar looking but 0.9" shorter. Thus the main advantage seems to be being able to seat bullets out away from the doughnut. I think the 7mm PRC has a lot more to offer since it has all of the advantages of the 300 PRC and none of its disadvantages.
Thanks for commenting!
it may not be popular, but I feel like all roads LEAD to it
like this HAS to be the round that the new high BC shooters will upgrade to when they begin to aspire to longer distances
all th 6.5 guys and the prc family guys, all roads lead to the 300 PRC
I see the 6.5 being loaded at work constantly. Honestly I'm sick of hearing about anything 6.5. I'd much rather be hearing about the .264 Winchester, or even the .260 Remington. I've got two boxes of .260 that I can't even give away! 50 years ago when .30 was King, the .30 PRC would have left a serious mark! Thanks for the videos and info. Thomas, Mississippi!!
You work for a ammo company?
I do.
If Whitetails here in the south start wearing body armor I’d buy one, Until then I’ll stick with the old, The price of ammo has pushed me back to my standard calibers, Africa would be a good place for that round, Elephants, Water buffalo, etc.
I just got the Savage long range hunter rifle in 300 PRC. Rifle was only like $800. However 200 rds of Hornady Match ammo for it was around $420
Have fun with it!
How does it shoot?
@@TimBiagi shoots great from my tests. Very consistent once you get used to the recoil. As for the rifle although its on the cheaper side for a caliber like this it handles it well and hasn’t gave me any issues this far. Just keep the barrel well oiled and good to go!
Not popular for factory ammo buyers but a dream for reloaders
It's a good one
The other issue that I see with the newer ilk of cartridges is that there is no real way to shoot light bullets accurately. The jump if you were to ever load a 180 or a 150 into a 300 prc from the case to the rifling can not have a great effect on accuracy
It's more gun than most people need. It has a lot of recoil. Out to 1000yds the top target shooters are using 7mm cartridges.
Does really do any thing that other similar cartridges do for a hunter?
Good video and I agree, I think the other thing to note too is that the 300wm fits in a standard long action. As always, even if you were to take advantage of some more extreme heavy bullets that take advantage of the higher twist, your velocity would be similar to a 6.5 creed and eventually there is diminishing returns.
I agree with everything you said with exception to the 300 PRC having similar ballistics to the 6.5 Creedmoor. The 300 PRC demolishes the 6.5 Creedmoor with high b.c. bullets and velocity. But how many people want to deal with the recoil of a 300 PRC? Not many.
Thanks for replying! My comment may not have been very clear and I agree, very different performance from the standpoint of 300 PRC vs 6.5 Creed. I was just trying to make a point by saying, just because you can put a higher BC bullet in there, doesn’t mean it’s optimal. To exaggerate even further, you put a 500gr bullet in a 300 PRC cartridge (provided you had the twist rate and cartridge overall length) you would end up with low enough velocities to where that would no longer be an advantage. 300 PRC I would say is not optimized to take advantage of a higher twist, which is also where the limitations of the 6.5 creed would be for requiring optimal expansion in a hunting scenario. I hope this makes more sense.
I think the real problem is magazines. It requires a magazine longer than every other standard magnum cartridge.
The RUM can also handle those rounds and get about the same fps as the PRC as well. Actually went with the RUM because there were way more options to use for reloading than the PRC
RUM should be faster
As far as the powder capacity goes for the 300 win mag, you can use faster powder in the 4831 or 4350 burn rate and the powder capacity won't be an issue.
4831 or 4350 wont get heavier bullets up to 300prc velocity. For instance, a 190 grain barnes LRX the 300 winmag has a max compressed powder charge of 78.7 grains vs the same bullet and powder for the 300prc has a max compressed powder charge of 88.3 with a velocity difference of 245fps faster in the 300prc.
RW, I think the 300 PRC lacked the marking campaign of many of the new cartridges. Couple that with the lack of rifle availability and ammo availability, what you get is just another good cartridge that will soon be in the obsolete category. As you so rightly pointed out, the PRC isn't doing anything that the Win., Weatherby and RUM haven't been doing for years. I see no reason to make a change, even if I could find a rifle and ammo. Soon it'll be with the 300 SAUM.
Cheers, Jeff
Thanks for commenting Jeff
I shoot 180 gr Berger vlds out of my 7mm rem mag with a 1:9.5 twist I think it depends on your elevation. Im in Wyoming though higher than most however I would need a 1:8.5 twist if I wanted to shoot 185s to 195s.
If i didnt have a 338 LM, this is what i would get.
But now i cant afford anything else 😅
Haha 338 Lapua is expensive.
@@ReloadingWeatherby It takes a long time for hunters to change their minds from the old faithful to something with better numbers.
That is a big chunk of shooters not swayed easily.
And winning the cartridge race in 30 cal is the hardest of them
all. You made really good point in the video.
👍
Cheers from Sweden
Great video, you made a lot of really great points. However, there’s a really important one I think you left out.
The advantage the 300 PRC gives over the win mag is range. But does anyone actually use the win mag at range? Yes, I know there are military snipers chambered in 300 win mag. Not counting that exception, who is using 300 win mag for precision rifle?
That seems to be what Hornady had in mind for the cartridge, after all they did call it the Precision Rifle Cartridge. But no one uses magnum 30 cals for precision rifle. It has no real trajectory advantage over the 6.5 creed or 6mm creed. With the disadvantages of much more recoil, and much more cost. Good luck shooting a match with 250 grain A-tips. Your wallet will be a whole lot lighter, and your shoulder a whole lot more bruised than everyone else playing the game.
And (almost) no one is hunting at the ranges of where 300 PRC begins to edge out the win mag in performance.
So really the only people who would actually buy a 300 PRC are the sniper LARP type people, and there aren’t a ton of them.
Agree with some things you said but also disagree on others. 300 PRC absolutely destroys the 6mm Creedmoor and 6.5 Creedmoor at long distance shooting. But... no one wants to shoot a high recoiling 30 caliber magnum for fun. (Except me)
I like 300 Win mag the best
If you want a big 30 cal go with the 300 norma mag. Shorter case which allows you to seat 230-250 gn projectiles out far while magazine feeding.
And pushing 230gns at over 3100fps depending on barrel length. Also the US military have adopted the norma cartridge as ther new advanced sniper round
Norma is 2x the price as 300prc. 300prc can be had now cheaper than 300wm and it preforms better. I think the main reason it didn't take off is simply people don't want the recoil of the win mag, prc or norma
I put together a Custom 300 PRC Big Horn Action Preferred Barrel Blsnks Barrel 1:9 twist, 250gr A-Tips, Lapua Brass, Ramshot LRT powder, 2850fps, .346 MOA. That my friends is a missile strike. You have to hand load to see the real performance of .300 PRC
Does it really out perform any 300 Win, 300 Norma, 300 RUM, 300 Nosler, ot the 300 Weatherby, is it really any surprise.
It will outperform 300 Win mag, same performance as a 30 Nosler. All the others you mentioned are more powerful.
You have to look at what you would use it for. The main focus for this cartridge is hunting. Not many are going to shoot it in competition. In 30 caliber, the 300 WSM is probably the most popular. No it doesn't do well with the heaviest 30 bullet, but it will shoot many effective hunting bullets very accurately with the least amount of recoil in the 30 caliber magnums and is widely available in factory loads. With this new generation of 6.5 Creed shooters out there, they will never switch to a 300 PRC due to the recoil level. I also think the 7mmPRC will suffer the same fate. The 7mm Rem Mag is pretty much the most recoil hunter will take in hunting rifles shooting in field positions. Not many will shoot 7mmPRC in competition either. The 300 WSM is pretty much the highest recoil cartridge that sees some use in competition.
Curious what your group size is for the 225gr in your 300Wby? Does the 1:10 twist rate stabilize that big bullet? Thanks!
I'm just under sub MOA. Yes my rifle easily stabilizes the bullet.
@@ReloadingWeatherby that’s good! My 300win struggles to stabilize anything over 200. I didn’t try enough load development though. 180s tend to stack right in there with very little load development.
@@Semper_3.14 I bet you have a 1in11 twist?
@@ReloadingWeatherby no sir, 1:10
I would think more people are shooting paper over animals these days which is why the most popular calibers are light recoil high bc. People just want to shoot for fun or sport.
The ammo is only part of it. The other equation is that a special 30 cal is not necessary to shoot long range. A standard 10 twist will stabilize some excellent high bc bullets.
Very true
🤠 Only a Few Hours Ago, Sako just released a Video on their New Sako 90 Rifles! They have Changed these rifles for a faster twist rate barrel, so now you can buy that new 270 Winchester rifle to shoot those heavier bullets! 😜 They have also made some other new upgrades, including an adjustable trigger, new angled bolt throw, pikitinni rail, and a 3 position safety! 😯
😳 I went to their website and they do have faster 1 in 8 twist barrels, for their 6.5's (like the 6.5 prc), but they aren't chambering anything in the 270 Winchester, from what I could see in any of their model 90's! 😭
Itll pick up when more people make ammo all i ever see is Hornaday ammo for the 300 and its 65 to 80 bucks a box more close to 80. COME ON FEDERAL PUT SOME LIFE IN IT ALL IT NEEDS IS A TERMINAL ASCENT!!!
🕵️♂️ I think that they are either having supply chain issues or are too busy trying to fill military contracts! From what I have heard, it is more of the latter! All Your Ammunition is Going to Ukraine, Thanks to Joe Biden! 🤣
The 300 PRC is just more gun than I would want. I think the 300 WSM in a Tikka would be perfect since you can modify it easily and load bullets out more. If I was looking for a good grizzly gun then yes the 300 PRC would be great but to be honest you don't really need that kind of power either even for them.
Thanks for commenting!
300 PRC factory ammo here in Australia is $5.00 per round ! That's $100.00 for a box of 20. That's why it never took off here.
Is 300 Win mag ammo cheaper there?
@@ReloadingWeatherby not by much,it's around $90.00 a box of 20.
300 win mag is a big reason why it hasn't taken over, so many rifles chambered for the win mag.
🕵️♂️ And the number of factory loads in various bullet weights, whereas the 300 prc only deals with the heavier bullets! If you look at the 338 WM, by comparison, it can accomplish the same thing (Muzzle Velocities of 2850 ft/s with similar weight bullets and similar trajectories, by using Bullets with B.C.'s over 0.6) that the 300 prc can do and with less powder and recoil and with a larger frontal diameter bullets! The 338 WM has more heavy bullets, hunting bullets, and quality bullet options too! 🤔
🕵️♂️ If we look at the Nosler #9 Online Manual, the 338 WM (with 71.5 grains of IMR 4350 powder) will push a 225 grain Nosler ABLR bullet (B.C. of 0.611) at a Muzzle Velocity of 2,882 ft/s, generate 36.93 ft lbs of recoil, and only drop -36.3" at 500 yards (when sighted in at 200 yards)! Meanwhile, that new 215 grain Terminal Accent bullet, out of the 300 prc, is going 2,860 ft/s and will have -36.5 " of drop at 500 yards! And, the 300 WM (using 76 grains of Reloader 26 Powder) and pushing a 210 Nosler ABLR bullet will have a -35.8" drop, generate 34.84 ft lbs of recoil, and have a similar starting Muzzle Velocity of 2,874 ft/s! So, the 300 WM has more versatility in the lighter bullets, but if you want to shoot the heavier ones, then the 338 WM has a definite advantage and will make a bigger wound channel, with it's bigger diameter and heavier bullets! 🤑
🤠 So, what we can see is that the 300 prc doesn't give us "anything new" over the 6 decade old 338 Winchester Magnum and "other cartridges" like it! 😜
@@ronlowney4700 yes that too
Great video,but if we compare 7 mm rem mag with the same twist and 7 mm prc,what is the diference??? I think that 7 mm rem is beteer in that comparison.
🤔 The 7mm prc can do it in a 24" barrel, where you would be better of with a 26" barrel in the 7mm Remington Magnum! If that doesn't bother you, nor the belt for head spacing on the 7mm Remington Magnum, then their really won't be that much difference for hunting purposes! 🤷♂️
It's not better, the 7mm PRC is a little bit faster. But they are very close.
If you get a rifle like seekins ph2 they have ridiculously long magazine lengths that allow people to seat bullets way out essentially making the 300win even better same goes with the prc.
Thanks for sharing!
I haven't bought one because i don't know if it will be around in a few years
I think it will be
Fun fact federal discontinued the 215G terminal ascent loading. So can remove that from the list. Which is sad because it’s my favorite bullet. But I’ll be keeping my 300 PRC as a hunting rifle only the outfitter loading is perfect for 400 and in anything outside 400 ELDX or M is perfect
That 190 gr CX is a good bullet!
I think for practical hunting distance it’s adds nothing. I personally am just not going to take a shot a 600 yards and even the best shooters predicting the wind is extremely hard. If your trying to shoot steel at 1k sure it’s better.
It’s pretty popular I see 5-10 300prcs minus my own at the range every time I go, cheap to shoot , accurate , goes far with ease , iv used factory ammo and rifle out to a mile and it’s doable
There’s nothing being invented today that’s any better then the cartridges released 40-50 years ago.
Off the shelf, match grade .30 cal cartridges with poly-tipped projectiles & a BC of 0.777 were a thing in the 70s ? Yeah, I don't think so Elmer.
Because it's a crowded field, its competing directly with .300 WSM, .300 RCM and .300 SAUM not to mention all the full length magnums
The reason ammunition companies keep inventing new calibers is for profit.
Once the hype is done about one card trithey slow down production so you have to buy the reloading equipment‼️
And they make even more money because now they sell primers powder and bullets & brass cases‼️
Ammo availability did it for me
I love mine. I agree ammo options stink only one manufacturer an just now able to get it easy. Prices are finally getting affordable. Brass is available though an bullets
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@@ReloadingWeatherby Absolutely, never had anything 7mm, got a 7mm-08 last year decided on a 7 PRC recently interested to see more videos on it also.
My Bergera 300 PRC has a 1:9 twist… and boy she’ll fling a 220 eldx through a donut hole at 200 yards. So while I understand the importance of a faster twist, you also are limited speed because of maximum bullet rpm limits. Lighter bullets can’t be shot at higher speeds in fast twist rifles. But one key factor is velocity. People always want faster… the 300 PRC is meant for reaching to the next mountain peak not the next 200 yd scrap of paper.
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There are a LOT of people online and on youtube who continue to verbalize that the 300WSM is their favorite caliber of all time and there are a LOT of custom rifle builders who favor the WSM as well due to the significant repeatable non-picky nature and accuracy of the WSM
I know that we're talking about .30's here, but I own one of the first Featherweight short mags in .270. It does shoot pretty accurate. I wish I had bought two. That was around 2001 or 2002.
Here in Brazil this caliber is expensive a lot
One of the reasons it hasn’t gone anywhere is there is the 300 Win , 300 Dakota , 300 H&H , 300 WSM , 300 REM short mag , 308 Norma , 300 Norma , 30 Nosler , 300 REM ultra , 300 WBY ( my personal favorite ) ! Boy we sure needed another 300 ??? That not as good as half of the above cartridges and barley as good as the other half ! ……. Get it through your head it’s all about selling new rifles ! What is it really ? A proprietary target cartridge and probably a good one ! We don’t need another 30 caliber hunting cartridge! Oh to soon ???……
I have a 300wm that I load a 220RN to 2825ish
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The 300 PRC is... FRIGGIN HUGE, compared to a 300 win mag. (.36 in longer.)
Ammo also costs double.
Doesn't provide double the Awesome.
Up to about 220 gr bullet 300 Weatherby and 300 PRC are the same.
I’ll keep my 300 WSM. Hand loaded 180 Nosler AB’s at 3000 FPS 1/2 MOA
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What reloading book is that
Hornady reloading manual #11
@@ReloadingWeatherby thank u
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It's kinda like the Nosler 30 nosler is dying while the 28 Nosler is selling good.
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For hunting, the 300WM is perfectly fine and much more available. Basically, the 300PRC filled a need that wasn't needed. There are not enough ultra long range target shooters to really make much difference. Super mags have never been big sellers.
👍 You are correct! And, yet, that is not what the customer wants! The proof of that is the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmore! Now, the popularity of the prc cartridges is with the smaller two - the 6.5 prc and 7mm prc - which is much greater than the 300 prc! What most of these companies "refuse to accept" is that most of the country is shooting Whitetail Deer No Bigger than my dog, don't need a Big Magnum, and wouldn't want the recoil either! Currently, 10 States Don't Even Allow Muzzle Breaks Either! So, the "Real Problem" is that these companies are "out of touch" with their customers! And, "That" is NOT a recipe for success either! 🤣 Also, who wants to spend $100 on a Box of Ammunition (when you can even find it)? Not me either! ☹
@@ronlowney4700 I cannot imagine needing anything more powerful than my 280AI or the 30-06 I inherited from my dad. If I did need something bigger to hunt a brown bear, it would be buy rifle, sight in rifle, shoot a box through it, hunt with 2nd box, sell rifle after hunt. Then, practice with my 6mm ARC.
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@@ronlowney4700It doesn't meet your needs. In the West it meets ours. It doesn't have to be a runaway success everywhere to be a success.
🤣 "Our Needs"? FYI: I LIVE IN THE WEST! 🤭 And, No, It Doesn't Meet My Needs! 🙄 Why? 🕵️♂️ More Recoil Than What I Need to Endure to Kill North American Big Game With! ☹ My 270 Winchester and 30-06 have been filling my freezer for half a century! 😃 So, "No Magnum Necessary"! 🤪
I dont now whay every one metion the belt in magnum cases. What is wrong with the belt???please tell mee.
It is like having an extra and an unnecessary 20 lbs around your midsection! 🤭
For reloaders it can be a problem. I've yet to have a problem with the belts on my Weatherby cartridges.
🙂 That is good Austin, but bench rest shooters would rather go off the shoulder than the belt! None the less, belts work fine - but, just like my women, I don't "prefer" the "extra wasteline" around the middle! 🏃♀️ But, to each his own! 🤣
@@ronlowney4700 Ron... aren't you a little old to be dating women?
🤣 I gave them up 30 years ago Austin! 🤭 Best decision that I ever made too! 🤔 Now you know why I can afford to buy more guns! 🤠👍
Popular or not, the 300 PRC is a great sniper caliber!
It's a great cartridge
🤪 But, who are you "sniping"? 🤣
@@ronlowney4700 Steel plates
🤪 At $100+/box? 🤷♂️ Ouch! 🤕 I used to be able to buy a case of 10,000 rounds of 22lr for $130 dollars/case! Now, who do you suppose will become a better shooter in the end - the one that can practice all day, or the one that can launch 10 rounds at a country mile once a month? 🤭 Case Closed! 👨⚖ And, I can say that because I have Several Custom Magnums Myself for the same purpose and regret doing so! 😪 Just save your money and buy something in a caliber that you can shoot more frequently! 🤑
@@ronlowney4700 I use my ammo wisely
Us that like the 300 win mag is starting to get the 300 PRC but is just to much for ammunition and not much avant eg the 300 PRC has over the 300 win mag for the price not good enough. I like the 30 caliber rounds but is not a big difference between the two for hunting. 6.5 prc for the win great deer slayer.
If you already have a big 30. Stay with it. They all work. If you’re buying a new gun go with the 300 prc. I see 300 prc Hornady ammo everywhere. That’s all you need. Reload if you want something different. 300 prc ammo available online for $42. Don’t judge a cartridge because other ammo companies aren’t supporting it. There are more 6.5’s out their. Big 30’s aren’t as big of market. Not everyone can handle it. I’m not getting one because my 338 win mag doesn’t leave any questions that any 30 would answer. Kiss and make up with Hornady Weatherby Boy! I get it. You’re a Weatherby guy. My complaint with your videos is usually you don’t own what you’re ripping up. Never shot it. Never loaded for it. Not really an expert. Your just looking at paper. I love you man! When I get my channel going you can rip me up too!
Except I have reloaded and shot the 6.5 PRC, 6.5 Creed and 300 PRC. You're welcome to disagree with me. But what happens if you don't reload and there are only two options for hunting ammo... and your rifle doesn't like the ELD-X factory and you don't want to shoot a mono bullet.... suddenly you're stuck with a mono bullet you don't want and a ELD-X that doesn't shoot well. Having options is always a good thing.
You boomers are so quick to generalize and assume so much that isnt so. You have no idea what guns he owns.
And as far as the 300prc goes, it does nothing extra at REASONABLE HUNTING DISTANCES to justify the extra cost, extra recoil, lack of factory ammo etc etc. Non competition shooters dont need that. Its a marketing gimmick...of which i am not shocked someone with such a feeble mind fell for
A big bullet is more accurate but a lot of flame and high prices on rifle and Ammo
I want a 300 prc to me 6.5 prc is not a lot different than credmor at 2xammo cost
300 PRC isn’t going anywhere and I don’t think the 7PRC will come near the popularity of the 6.5PRC. Hornady is great to have in our sport but they cannot convert everybody to their line of cartridges and ammo. They sure supply the marketing and components when they launch but the 300 and 7 looks like a dud compared to your 6.5cm and PRC. Thanks for the video.
300 PRC is a popular cartridge for custom guns. I do think the 7mm PRC will be very popular though.
300 prc is more popular than you think. I know several guys who switched to it exclusively as their elk cartridge. I built one myself cause rifle availability used to suck but now theirs lots of choices even for cheap rifles. If you own a 300 win mag i wouldn't be in no hurry to get one but if your looking for a new 30 cal I say go for it.
@@thatguyfishingben4794 I agree. It's growing in popularity, but it is still no where close to the popularity of the 300 Win mag. It seems the 300 PRC is popular for the reloaders.
My buddy has two custom 300 prc rifles and I'm building one now. I despise reloading belted cartridges. The prc has all the advantages of the WM with none of the pitfalls. I think the lack of factory ammo is because most people reload it, at least that's what I've seen.
I agree though, definitely not even close to the popularity of the WM, but I do see more and more people interested in it. I think it's getting more popular rather than fading away.
The 7mm PRC destroys the .300 and 6.5 when you look at the ballistics…. 7mm PRC is far superior over the other 2…. I wish it would have came out before I bought a .300PRC because it is way better shots a hell of a lot flatter
Have to disagree. Except the 300wm, the other magnum cartridges you list are less popular or more expensive than the 300prc and most of the factory ammo for 300wm is for hunting. 300prc has best factory ammo for long range target, even if it is all Hornady.
Probably so... But as a reloader I'm not going to shoot factory ammo for long range shooting.
300 PRC really doesn’t check any boxes that weren’t already checked. The recoil sucks, and with the cost of components and factory loads it’s a no for me.
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The 300prc has taken off, just because there’s not 21 different boxes of ammo doesn’t matter.
The 300prc is way better round than 300 win. It’s basically the modern 30 cal just like what hornady did with the 7mm prc
I agree it has gotten more popular. However... the lack of factory ammo is not good. You have only 2 hunting bullet options. What if your rifle doesn't like either one and you don't reload? So much for a precision cartridge.
More handloaders pick the 300 PRC. No need for factory ammo.
Interesting theory... It certainly is getting more popular
There are lots of 300 Magnums out there, so this one does not stand out,if I wanted to shoot heavy for caliber bullets I would rebarrel my 300 Win !
Its proven better than 338 lupa