True, the Conn does sound a little 'fatter' but having played a yts 62 for 25 years and now playing a custom z ul, when you switch from a quality Yam horn to a vintage horn it's like getting out of a car with an automatic gearbox and then driving a manual (stick shift) car with a slightly dodgy clutch. The beauty of Yamaha horns (even compared to other modern horns) is that they allow you to play completely freely without getting in your way. They're simply effortless. To me, that's worth sacrificing the minute tonal difference that a vintage horn may offer.
almost can’t compare these two horns. both great horns. 10M a true legend. all round horn maybe 62. For serious full time jazz and r&b 10M haNds down. no contest. Fabulous sound and playing
My first time watching this video and I was thoroughly impressed. Some of my fav tunes on two of the best tenors. Both sounded awesome, but that breathy sound coming from the 10m did it for me. Great job.
I played a yts 62 for years...changed the neck for a G1.. used noyak resonators and rooskin pads.. bell metal link 6 and a soft 3 reed. Horn could sore over a big band for solos and was awesome in combo settings for real book sessions. I actually really liked your 62 sound concept. The con will be fun for you as well.. i see a place in your resume for both these horns..
Both horns sound great! Hard to choose one over the other. I think the yamaha is more focused and the conn has a bigger sound with less edge. I have a silver yamaha custom 875 that I play and I love it. One thing about yamaha saxes is they're built to last. Sold my old yamaha 62 years ago and then bought the 875 which I still play. Thanks for the comparison, it was very interesting
Sounds good. I can't wait to hear how that conn sounds after you get it touched up. Even with needing a pad job and a full set up it's just got a much bigger and richer sound than your Yamaha. You made a good buy with that one. Keep up the good playing.
I have a 52 10m as well and I love it. And I paid a hell of a lot less than the purists pay for their RTH models. My tech also said that the post-war ones were better in some ways, simpler mechanisms, less bells and whistles.
The Conn has more character to the tone hands down than the Yamy. There are alot of things I like about Yamaha's as well. As far playing a certain way, reeds and mouthpieces can effect this as well, but ultimately is up to us do the channeling. Set up properly, they can be made to play fairly quickly, don't open up the stacks, the Conn has a big enough sound already. Rolled tone holes help for the response time.
Very nice playing. The Conn has a richer sound but that’s what they are known for. I’ve owned both of those horns. The Yamaha sounds great but the 10M just has ‘something’ special the Yamaha lacks. As for the key action, the Yamaha is far superior. Your 10M is a beautiful example.
Great playing and sound on both tenors. I'm with you on the RTH -vs- non-RTH. I've been lucky enough to play test a few and the '48-58 tenors were the very best sounding Naked Lady's to my ears.
I had the conn overhauled a year ago, and its much better. that said, when i took this video, I had the conn for only a day or so. After playing the conn for a year, the yamaha just isnt enough horn all around. in the hands, fingers, air required ect... The yamaha is a refined machine, but feels like a toy to me. I am also 6.5" tall with big lungs and hands, so thats part of it too I guess.
thanks a lot man. will do. im having my 62 purple logo tenor overhauled right now with a killer setup some roo pads and awesome resonators as well. playing on my buescher till i get it back. but as yamaha is my main horn because im studying music and as you said w your conn "it makes you play it a certain way" and i want to grab a nice technique with a sax that has better intonation and more easy blowing so when i go to vintage horns i can adjust said technique. that said i love vintage sound
@marcos wurfel no doubts about that. I have had 5 Conns, until a technician abused of my last Chu-berry Tenor, ripped it off, and took parts to use in other horns. I told about on SOTW. Since than Never had a Conn again.🙄
@@1dotele well, a that time and after have waited 3 YEARS😲😲 I gave a general Alarm as I saw him dealing mouthpieces on SOTW. The whole thing came out and more customers/players on SOTW reported problems too. I became my sax back, totally abused, custom parts stolen, rich dark honey re lacquer (already done in the 30s) completely damaged, sax unplayable after 3 years! Lance O. Burton from Seatle area did it.
They are both good. The little difference is only a matter of taste. For example, you played better on Yamaha on the sencond piece, and so, I prefered what I heard. You play very well, BTW...both instruments are very tuned. I have seen many Yamaha with people playing some notes out of tune. Congratulations. A sax doesn´t play alone.
Very interesting comparision. I hear two completely different saxophone players. One is a shy student from Japan, talented but without any charisma. The other has a lot of experience, his music is full of wisdom. I guess he cames from Elkhart.
they have more power and they vibrate because of the thin brass. my unlaquered buescher has an amazing power. you wouldnt believe the tone. has a few intonation issues, as soon as my purple logo is out from the overhaul i will do the mouthpieces test. thanks again brother and keep on with that sound
absolutely no winner, good as two ones. First=modern scale and modern sound. Second=old scale vintage sound.Is good to have both. By the way I put a modern cooper neck by CE Winds on an old Buescher Aristocrat small bell and got a wonderful bang!
@Saxolinaful thanks! I have lately been wondering if the conn gives the focus key action that needed for all styles. was listening to some lenny pickett! the yamaha is more VI like, but lacks resonance and color of a selmer, let alone a booming conn. but the conn was affordable.....
BTW, I have a friend saxophonist who was playing very nice a year ago. He playus Alto and Tenor. On tenor saxophone I like most, it´s more jazzy and I think he had better ideas. So, he made the mistake of selling the two yamaha saxes in order to acquire an alto Selmer. Man...the sound didn´t improve anything, indeed, I find it worst. But as almost all saxophonists, they THINK that the sound is better. We, people who hear the sound of the guy know what we hear. These differences are minimal, and sometimes, a person has better ideas on certain instruments, regardless of the price. And the ideas is what matter most.
thanks. The keys on the yamaha are more refined. The conn almost channels you to play a certain way, in other words you cant b.s. your way around it like you can with the yamahas. that said, i can still get around the conn fine. the stack keys are actually pretty quick.
In support of the Yamaha, I tried a friends 61, it does have a very mature sound in the lower register I did really like, and there were no tuning issues up in the palm keys. Both would be ideal depending on the gig and the style of playing.
Man, you've got a great tone! They both sound great, different sounds for sure. It's hard to say which I like better, just different. Are you familiar with Kohlert horns (the vintage german ones, not the modern Czech ones)? If you like the 10M, you should DEFINITELY check them out! I have a Yamaha Custom Z and a Kohlert 55, and I love them both....great sounds on both, just different.
This is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Two completely different horns. If you have a good VI tenor to compare to the 62, that would more apples x 2, since the original 62 was designed as a sort VI "copy". You might as well be comparing a VI to the Conn in this vid. Anyhow, sound good..I enjoy your playing..lots o' soul
I prefer the 62 over the naked lady to be honest! Although the naked lady sounds fat aswell, the 62 just seems like a much better horn in terms of intonation. However, if the naked lady had a service by a knowledgable technician it would sound even more amazeballs!
All depend of the music style... by jazz or blues, Conn sounds better. And Yamaha sounds better by rock and other modern styles. But the mechanical precission is by far the best in yamaha. Both sounds v good! Well played.
I recently bought a Martin 1946 Committee III and compared to my 10M which I already had. After getting the Martin and my Conn serviced, it was night and day difference- 10M for me! I don't think the Yamaha comes close.
yes I still use this set up. I can only recommend what works for me, but that doesn't mean it works for you. get a recorder and try a bunch of mouthpieces out. v16, java, slant sig, metal link, even berg larson depending on your horn are all good. record them all, try to play the same sample for each mouthpiece and don't adjust your playing at all to make the piece sound better. just play, then listen. we all play different. good luck.
great song man, e prefer .. i like the dark sound of Hard Hubbers Mouthpieces V16 mouthpiece like that, but I do not I adapted to it, I preferred its sound with conn.
Nice sound on both. Just be carefull with Conns tune. That Vandoren is a medium large chamber, some notes on the Conn are a little sharp. It is best for those saxophones to use a large chamber mouthpiece. Best wishes
Conn has bigger beefy tone but 62 is more even responds better phrasing is cleaner for my the conn does not speak the music as well. thanks nice playing
It depends on who you go to and how good of a job they do. anywhere from $700-1400 is in the ball park. Not only should they do a god job getting the horn to function at 100%, but also set it up to your needs.
I like the sound of the Yamaha much better. I also like the way you sound on the Yamaha. I guess it begs the question, is it because you are more familiar with the Yamaha or that the Conn needs work?
@ca4Gochops u`re a great player. what would you say about the machanics of the Conn, is that a lot more inconvinient than Yamaha`s, or that the thing you don`t really mention, especially if playin` some faster bebop? have u tried different 10m, are they all playin` in tune? thanks.
you still use this? i mean im looking for a nice hard rubber mpc and i thing that one the t9 is a replica of the slant if im not mistaken. do you recommend it. point me towards something good please. oh and nice chops
I'm buying my first tenor (play alto at the mo) and am not sure whether to spend the extra and get a yts-65 or go for the yts-275, another opinions would be appreciated
cual es el nombre del segundo tema? en internet se consigue la transcripcion? gracias excelentes saxos los 2 aunque me quedo con el lady face. saludos.
Proposta diferentes. Conn era para tocar em Big Band da década de 50. YTS 62 é mais para solo. Mas a afinação e entonação do Yamaha é muito melhor e insuperável e tem mais brilho. O Conn é mais escuro e cheio mas perde na resposta para o Yamaha que tem som mais aberto e articulação mais definido.
Look. There are far more saxes with straight tone holes that there are with rolled. If rolled tone holes are such a big deal why don't more saxes have them? My guess is that rolled tone holes were a marketing gimmick back in that period.
A big factor to not having rolled is that they were not only an extra step in production, but they also have repair issues. When techs try to level sax tone holes they have to remove brass through filing, and rolled tone holes can develope holes easily and create a ring of brass hanging off
absolutely no winner, good as two ones. First=modern scale and modern sound. Second=old scale vintage sound.Is good to have both. By the way I put a modern cooper neck by CE Winds on an old Buescher Aristocrat small bell and got a wonderful bang!
True, the Conn does sound a little 'fatter' but having played a yts 62 for 25 years and now playing a custom z ul, when you switch from a quality Yam horn to a vintage horn it's like getting out of a car with an automatic gearbox and then driving a manual (stick shift) car with a slightly dodgy clutch. The beauty of Yamaha horns (even compared to other modern horns) is that they allow you to play completely freely without getting in your way. They're simply effortless. To me, that's worth sacrificing the minute tonal difference that a vintage horn may offer.
The Conn has more "body and soul" :-) Nice playing.
almost can’t compare these two horns. both great horns. 10M a true legend. all round horn maybe 62. For serious full time jazz and r&b 10M haNds down. no contest. Fabulous sound and playing
My first time watching this video and I was thoroughly impressed. Some of my fav tunes on two of the best tenors. Both sounded awesome, but that breathy sound coming from the 10m did it for me. Great job.
The player knows how to get it all out the horns. Compliments!!
Both played/sounded great. 62 is the choice here for any smooth jazz guy, Conn for the old schooler for sure.
I played a yts 62 for years...changed the neck for a G1.. used noyak resonators and rooskin pads.. bell metal link 6 and a soft 3 reed. Horn could sore over a big band for solos and was awesome in combo settings for real book sessions. I actually really liked your 62 sound concept. The con will be fun for you as well.. i see a place in your resume for both these horns..
Both horns sound great! Hard to choose one over the other. I think the yamaha is more focused and the conn has a bigger sound with less edge. I have a silver yamaha custom 875 that I play and I love it. One thing about yamaha saxes is they're built to last. Sold my old yamaha 62 years ago and then bought the 875 which I still play. Thanks for the comparison, it was very interesting
Sounds good. I can't wait to hear how that conn sounds after you get it touched up. Even with needing a pad job and a full set up it's just got a much bigger and richer sound than your Yamaha. You made a good buy with that one. Keep up the good playing.
I have a 52 10m as well and I love it. And I paid a hell of a lot less than the purists pay for their RTH models. My tech also said that the post-war ones were better in some ways, simpler mechanisms, less bells and whistles.
I prefer the conn but you sound nice on both horns! The conn has a bit more depth in my opinion.
The Conn has more character to the tone hands down than the Yamy. There are alot of things I like about Yamaha's as well. As far playing a certain way, reeds and mouthpieces can effect this as well, but ultimately is up to us do the channeling. Set up properly, they can be made to play fairly quickly, don't open up the stacks, the Conn has a big enough sound already. Rolled tone holes help for the response time.
Very nice playing. The Conn has a richer sound but that’s what they are known for. I’ve owned both of those horns. The Yamaha sounds great but the 10M just has ‘something’ special the Yamaha lacks. As for the key action, the Yamaha is far superior. Your 10M is a beautiful example.
Great playing and sound on both tenors. I'm with you on the RTH -vs- non-RTH. I've been lucky enough to play test a few and the '48-58 tenors were the very best sounding Naked Lady's to my ears.
Conn 10M sounds great!!! Real sound of 50's
I had the conn overhauled a year ago, and its much better. that said, when i took this video, I had the conn for only a day or so. After playing the conn for a year, the yamaha just isnt enough horn all around. in the hands, fingers, air required ect... The yamaha is a refined machine, but feels like a toy to me. I am also 6.5" tall with big lungs and hands, so thats part of it too I guess.
thanks a lot man. will do. im having my 62 purple logo tenor overhauled right now with a killer setup some roo pads and awesome resonators as well. playing on my buescher till i get it back. but as yamaha is my main horn because im studying music and as you said w your conn "it makes you play it a certain way" and i want to grab a nice technique with a sax that has better intonation and more easy blowing so when i go to vintage horns i can adjust said technique. that said i love vintage sound
I love them both but there is nothing like a sound of an old conn
but hard to play..well... modern horns are more comfortable and have fast action
@marcos wurfel no doubts about that. I have had 5 Conns, until a technician abused of my last Chu-berry Tenor, ripped it off, and took parts to use in other horns. I told about on SOTW. Since than
Never had a Conn again.🙄
@@gilsontopfstedt3554 you should have abused him and took some parts off him post his name so nobody goes to that thief
@@1dotele well, a that time and after have waited 3 YEARS😲😲 I gave a general Alarm as I saw him dealing mouthpieces on SOTW. The whole thing came out and more customers/players on SOTW reported problems too. I became my sax back, totally abused, custom parts stolen, rich dark honey re lacquer (already done in the 30s) completely damaged, sax unplayable after 3 years! Lance O. Burton from Seatle area did it.
@@gilsontopfstedt3554 sorry this happened to you thanks for his name
Both the horns sound good. But the choice of my ears is the Conn 10M
They are both good. The little difference is only a matter of taste. For example, you played better on Yamaha on the sencond piece, and so, I prefered what I heard. You play very well, BTW...both instruments are very tuned. I have seen many Yamaha with people playing some notes out of tune. Congratulations. A sax doesn´t play alone.
I understand what you mean. Listened again to your video and changed my mind. The Conn sounds better!
The Conn is more centered and more mellow! I'd take the Conn over the Yamaha, but both sound good!
Very interesting comparision. I hear two completely different saxophone players. One is a shy student from Japan, talented but without any charisma. The other has a lot of experience, his music is full of wisdom. I guess he cames from Elkhart.
CONN, there aren't doubt
10m winner !!!
conn!!!
very sweet!!!
conn 10 realmente uma máquina !!!!!
Conn all the way!
great sound on both
they have more power and they vibrate because of the thin brass. my unlaquered buescher has an amazing power. you wouldnt believe the tone. has a few intonation issues, as soon as my purple logo is out from the overhaul i will do the mouthpieces test. thanks again brother and keep on with that sound
absolutely no winner, good as two ones. First=modern scale and modern sound. Second=old scale vintage sound.Is good to have both. By the way I put a modern cooper neck by CE Winds on an old Buescher Aristocrat small bell and got a wonderful bang!
Very nice playing, i preferred the sound of the Conn for this style. I have a YTS-61 which I think is a bit less bright sounding than the 62.
@Saxolinaful thanks! I have lately been wondering if the conn gives the focus key action that needed for all styles. was listening to some lenny pickett! the yamaha is more VI like, but lacks resonance and color of a selmer, let alone a booming conn. but the conn was affordable.....
BTW, I have a friend saxophonist who was playing very nice a year ago. He playus Alto and Tenor. On tenor saxophone I like most, it´s more jazzy and I think he had better ideas. So, he made the mistake of selling the two yamaha saxes in order to acquire an alto Selmer. Man...the sound didn´t improve anything, indeed, I find it worst. But as almost all saxophonists, they THINK that the sound is better. We, people who hear the sound of the guy know what we hear. These differences are minimal, and sometimes, a person has better ideas on certain instruments, regardless of the price. And the ideas is what matter most.
thanks. The keys on the yamaha are more refined. The conn almost channels you to play a certain way, in other words you cant b.s. your way around it like you can with the yamahas. that said, i can still get around the conn fine. the stack keys are actually pretty quick.
Sooo true.. I went from a Yamaha YTS 23 to an overhauled Conn 10M Pre War... It kicked my buttt in the beginning but now I’m able to play it
+1 with Conn!!!!
Conn - N°1 !!!!
In support of the Yamaha, I tried a friends 61, it does have a very mature sound in the lower register I did really like, and there were no tuning issues up in the palm keys. Both would be ideal depending on the gig and the style of playing.
Great video thank you . It's the 10m so hard to play (for hands) like much people say compared to a modern sax ? Ty
Man, you've got a great tone! They both sound great, different sounds for sure. It's hard to say which I like better, just different.
Are you familiar with Kohlert horns (the vintage german ones, not the modern Czech ones)? If you like the 10M, you should DEFINITELY check them out! I have a Yamaha Custom Z and a Kohlert 55, and I love them both....great sounds on both, just different.
i like both
This is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. Two completely different horns. If you have a good VI tenor to compare to the 62, that would more apples x 2, since the original 62 was designed as a sort VI "copy". You might as well be comparing a VI to the Conn in this vid. Anyhow, sound good..I enjoy your playing..lots o' soul
I prefer the sound of the Conn , it’s not huge but the bright sound in the Yamaha I don’t go for.
Both horns sound great and it's just a matter of personal taste. I have always preferred a more focused sound from a Selmer or Yamaha.
I prefer the 62 over the naked lady to be honest! Although the naked lady sounds fat aswell, the 62 just seems like a much better horn in terms of intonation. However, if the naked lady had a service by a knowledgable technician it would sound even more amazeballs!
All depend of the music style... by jazz or blues, Conn sounds better. And Yamaha sounds better by rock and other modern styles. But the mechanical precission is by far the best in yamaha.
Both sounds v good! Well played.
I recently bought a Martin 1946 Committee III and compared to my 10M which I already had. After getting the Martin and my Conn serviced, it was night and day difference- 10M for me! I don't think the Yamaha comes close.
yes I still use this set up. I can only recommend what works for me, but that doesn't mean it works for you. get a recorder and try a bunch of mouthpieces out. v16, java, slant sig, metal link, even berg larson depending on your horn are all good. record them all, try to play the same sample for each mouthpiece and don't adjust your playing at all to make the piece sound better. just play, then listen. we all play different. good luck.
Great sounds and playing. The Yamaha is beautiful but to me
the Conn wins hands down. But hey I am a Connvert so who am I to tell.
I have the same connvictions
great song man, e prefer .. i like the dark sound of Hard Hubbers Mouthpieces V16 mouthpiece like that, but I do not I adapted to it, I preferred its sound with conn.
the conn definitely has more color and heart than the 62, I really need to get rid of mine and pick up a VI
Nice sound on both. Just be carefull with Conns tune. That Vandoren is a medium large chamber, some notes on the Conn are a little sharp. It is best for those saxophones to use a large chamber mouthpiece. Best wishes
did anyone ask what mousepiece this guy is using? I just picked up a 1966 10m and I love the sound he has on his video.
Conn has bigger beefy tone but 62 is more even responds better phrasing is cleaner for my the conn does not speak the music as well. thanks nice playing
It depends on who you go to and how good of a job they do. anywhere from $700-1400 is in the ball park. Not only should they do a god job getting the horn to function at 100%, but also set it up to your needs.
conn sounds well better ... if i was spending 1500 on a sax it would be the Conn all day !!
I like the sound of the Yamaha much better. I also like the way you sound on the Yamaha. I guess it begs the question, is it because you are more familiar with the Yamaha or that the Conn needs work?
thanks, its a v16 #9 with v16 2.5 reeds.
@ca4Gochops u`re a great player. what would you say about the machanics of the Conn, is that a lot more inconvinient than Yamaha`s, or that the thing you don`t really mention, especially if playin` some faster bebop? have u tried different 10m, are they all playin` in tune? thanks.
I love me some conn 10m 😍
It ain't the arrow, it's he Indian, but I like the Ben Webster-ish tone of the Conn a little more...
Conns have the spirit of jazz infused in them.
What mouthpiece and reeds do you use?
i like the conn better it sound better
Also the yanagisawa t901 sounds good, comparisons between that and the yts65?
Conn took the first round, the 62 the 2nd.
Magnificent. How long do you play?
both are good sound.conn 10m is best for standard jazz,YAMAHA is best for smooth jazz.
conn is the best for me
you still use this? i mean im looking for a nice hard rubber mpc and i thing that one the t9 is a replica of the slant if im not mistaken. do you recommend it. point me towards something good please. oh and nice chops
I'm buying my first tenor (play alto at the mo) and am not sure whether to spend the extra and get a yts-65 or go for the yts-275, another opinions would be appreciated
いや、驚きました、ヤマハが、こんなにも良い音色が出るなんて、昔は考えられませんでした、昔からの、アメセルマーク６の時代は、終わりましたね。
cual es el nombre del segundo tema? en internet se consigue la transcripcion? gracias excelentes saxos los 2 aunque me quedo con el lady face. saludos.
"Sandu" se llama
Its a standart Blues by Clifford Brown
Suenan de 10 ambos.
What mouthpiece & facing are you playing ? Both saxes sound great
nice dark sound. what is the opening (T?). Thanks
thanks its a t9
Vandoren v16 T9 rubber, and v16 2.5 reeds.
i like the conn a little better has a more vintage sound
How is switching from a modern key system to a old inline like conn? Thanks
Conn has bigger tone but you sound great on both saxes. Is that V16 T9 mouthpiece?tnx
yes it is
I have a 1952 10M. Can you tell me how much it cost to have yours overhauled? I'm looking to do the same. Thanks.
Сonn!
Conn
I cant tell which is best, Do they sound different? , yes they do. But, honestly can anybody tell which is playing, only by listening to the sound?
wow yts62 sound is almost MkVI.......
both the same great,, the important is the heart felling to play the saxophone wha waaaattt a nice
¿Porque hay temor. De tocar el sib y el do sostenido?
Conn conn conn
Can you pass me this song¿ The partiture
Proposta diferentes. Conn era para tocar em Big Band da década de 50. YTS 62 é mais para solo. Mas a afinação e entonação do Yamaha é muito melhor e insuperável e tem mais brilho. O Conn é mais escuro e cheio mas perde na resposta para o Yamaha que tem som mais aberto e articulação mais definido.
Isnt even a comparison, Conn
what is your mouthpiece and reed setup?
Mouthpiece(s)? Reed(s)? Both saxes sound like YOU IMHO, and that's fine with me.
v16, v16 2.5 reeds. playing a NY link 7 at the moment tho
tira el yamaha y quedate con el conn jeje!!
Conn has a better timbre IMO.
preço?
Conn 10 naked lady vc acha por 2500-3500 dolares. Tenho um 1952, realmente na minha humilde opinião não há nada igual
10m much better than 62. much fat and dynamic range on 10m.
Look. There are far more saxes with straight tone holes that there are with rolled. If rolled tone holes are such a big deal why don't more saxes have them? My guess is that rolled tone holes were a marketing gimmick back in that period.
A big factor to not having rolled is that they were not only an extra step in production, but they also have repair issues. When techs try to level sax tone holes they have to remove brass through filing, and rolled tone holes can develope holes easily and create a ring of brass hanging off
yamaha 62 sounds best to me.
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my ears are fine buddy. the action on those 10m's suck. I'd rather be playing a yamaha 62 than a fucked up action 10m with a raspy sound.
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Yes , I was right.
got to admit, you know some shit though smeg head.
absolutely no winner, good as two ones. First=modern scale and modern sound. Second=old scale vintage sound.Is good to have both. By the way I put a modern cooper neck by CE Winds on an old Buescher Aristocrat small bell and got a wonderful bang!