Orthodox is spiritual due to God spirit present. As a child growing up in my Orthodox church l loved all the icons, the choir service its love towards God, when l became an Altarboy my love towards God was unquenchable that made me even serve in the altar when got old to teach the young ones too. God is so beautiful if you truly let yourself be in God control cause your spirit isn't like any others cause if you ask a priest, nun, monk or any others they will tell you they also let God and Jesus steer them towards heaven. If you don't believe me try it, you might find peace too.
Papal infallibility not being a thing in the Orthodox Church means every doctrine that is developed in your church is prone to error (and most likely developed in error) because you guys don’t believe the Holy Spirit leading the clergy in charge of making these important doctrine can prevent error which technically is blasphemous.
@@TonyG203You have that completely wrong. We believe the Holy Spirit leads the church itself and protects it from falsehoods, through councils and tradition. We dont believe sinners can be infallible. Its a paradox, and is meant to be.
@@ChrisShockz how are councils exactly led, and who is leading them? Also, how do you compose an infallible book with a fallible magisterium? Doesn’t even make sense logically. Are St. Paul, St. Peter, st mark sinners? Yes. Does that make their writings in scripture fallible?
also, i have been inspiring to some furries and got them out of situations that are unhealthy such as polygamy for example. It seems fit tht my calling rn is to be a light in the dark for people tht need it. I am trying but there are days where it is very very difficult to do tht.
@@daimionkaizafox ok, thats a great answer even tho theres nothing holding somone for to be a furry but aight 😂 the first step i would recommend you is remove the pfp and choose something you really love instead of this. besides having anxiety or a fur suit fetish what is holding you?
@@AleksandarArambasic the furry pfp isnt a fetish. I first found the furry fandom through wholesome means. My pfp is a representation of my personality. There is a nsfw side but i keep tht private.
As a Catholic I have to agree. You go to an orthodox liturgy and you know what you're gonna get. You go to a catholic mass and you don't know if you're gonna get an organ, guitars, drumkit, funny priest, reverent priest? It's a guessing game.
As a Catholic I actually see this as one of the very strengths of Catholicism. You can definetly see different people and different traditions but at the core the Church is one.
Well I don't see the boundaries since you can be a muslim and deny Christ's deity and still be somehow linked to the body of Christ because you believe in one God. This will be my last comment, I'm not here to argue. Anybody who seeks shall find.
@@Isfean No it isn't because most of what you refer as tradition today developed over time within a cultural medium. The vestment, the liturgy, veneration of icons and even God's energy- essence distinction. You can afford to hold this view of Orthodoxy that you hold because the church for past 1500 years has remained predominantly within a geographical location. Catholics on the other hand have interacted with more cultures and offcourse will be influenced by those cultures.
I agree with what he is saying, but even with those flaws in the Catholic Church, the truth is the truth therefore I will not leave the Catholic Church no matter the flaws because the truth remains the same, I am Catholic not because of the people, the practices, etc. I am Catholic because Jesus is present there in the Eucharist. hope we Catholics and orthodox come to unity one day🙏🏻
Former catholic 😂😂 as a orthodox I wouldn't accept you , if you can leave from a true church of christ to another true church , you stand for nothing you will soon leave for something else ,
So true & so sad. Before Vatican II the Catholic Church was the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church with such beauty & continuity for ages. What you discovered in seeking Orthodoxy was this pre Vatican II Church. It's only been 60 years since VII yet a whole generation has been so deprived of its sacred past. But, Catholics, have hope & don't settle. Seek a truly traditional Latin Mass community where your faith can be learned in it's fullness of doctrine & in true Worship. 🙏✝️🙏
I love my "orthodox" brothers and sisters in Christ. I love the church as a whole. I also love my "Catholic" brothers and sisters in Christ. I love my "Protestant" brothers and sisters in Christ. I have had a revelation from God in recent months that tells me the Church (all Christians) need to come together as one under the one true God that revealed himself in the flesh and died on the cross for the sins of the world, raised to life on the 3rd day and conquered death once and for all. Whoever that believes in him shall not parish but have eternal life. I understand there are ritualistic differences throughout different denominations but I believe coming together would make our lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth smile upon us and glorify his holy name. God bless you sir.
The only thing about the Catholic religion is that you all pray to Mother Mary and the saints, but the Bible clearly states that we should pray to Jesus and through Him, God listens to our prayers. I’m not trying to judge in no way so please don’t take it the wrong way, I just don’t understand? Can you explain this to me please and thank you?
@debrajones4010 much like when you ask someone to pray for you during a trying time Catholics ask the saints and the mother Mary to intercede for them in that same way.
I am Roman Catholic and i do understand what he is saying. I do see our church becoming too comfortable with alternatives to…not sure how to word this right…quality BUT I also understand how the leniency in some areas like the music at mass can help reach a extremely large variety of people
It would seem to the outsider, that Orthodox adheres excessively to outward symbols and rituals of expressions of faith that are expected to be followed rigidly, as signs of faith. Wouldn’t that just be a new set of Mosaic Laws?
Not followed rigidly as signs of faith but aids to help us in our worship and stay on track on the way with Christ. I've been Orthodox for about three years, previously Baptist, and I feel that I've been given a big open space to move around in, even though there are clear boundaries - but boundaries are good and necessary. Going back to the evangelical protestant world would feel like climbing back into a box - even though I have the utmost respect for my many friends still in that tradition and also gratitude for the way that tradition nurtured me through the years leading up to my conversion to Orthodoxy.
As a Roman catholic. I'm not sure what he is referring to. My church has latin mass everyday. And during the mass have the full latin rite during the consecration. And we sre big on iconography. Because the church is a reminder of heaven andnits beauty.
@@theremix54 a big problem is that there are not enough priests. This stuff use to be more common. But my 1 priest is the pastor of 2 churches and 3 prisons and our hospital.
@@KarmicSaltyes Francis has. He’s literally killing it at the seminary level and not allowing it in most dioceses, wake up to the evil that is Jorge Bergoglio.
True understanding and knowledge of God is found in the HolyBible. READING IT Not in icons or chanting The HolyBible, the Word of God is what is required. Nothing to do with the words orthodox catholic Baptist Anglican or any of these words The Word of God the HolyBible is what should be talked about. It’s what should be repeated. It’s where the focus needs to be. There are actually no instructions from God in any of His Word to draw pictures. NONE But there is an instruction given by God in both the Old and New Testaments on what He wants from you: Deuteronomy 8 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live. Matthew 4 4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. The thing that is required of you from God is to read all of His Word and live by all of His Word. That’s what God wants. Those are HIS INSTRUCTIONS
It’s hard for me to think my Catholic religion is a graceless cult. If tomorrow I became an Orthobro I would still have a hard time denying the faith of the Catholics as more like a break in communion rather than a heresy.
It isn't bro, be careful of the misinformed people causing further divisions. the separation is from political egos and some theological differences of opinion. Check out ecumenism. We are of the same faith, have faith we will be one unified church again. Follow Jesus and where the Holy Spirit takes you, not that of the opinion of men, even mine, do some of your own research into the history of the church and what Catholic means. God bless.
Forgive me, this may come off as rude especially when compared to the other commenter above me: ecumenism is a heresy for a VERY GOOD REASON! The reason is this: To subscribe to some ecumenist idea like branch theory (or something like it) is to deny the obviously apparent differences between Catholic and Orthodox ecclesiology. Both institutions are EXCLUSIVIST to each other, despite modernizing efforts. As an orthodox Christian, I must say to you, both churches CANNOT be true at the same time due to theology, especially ecclesiology. Please, take your time in earnest prayer, I will pray that you come to understand the truth.
@@r4ngerr4ge32 be careful of your pride, brother. you might want to pray for understanding also. you're right though, there is only one truth but who are you or I to assert we have it? and ecumenism is far from being a heresy, it is simply the aim of creating unity in the church, if your patriarchs can do this you should be able to open your own heart toward it. It is the wish of Jesus Himself that we come together, asserting tribal pride and arrogance only hinders that goal. God bless. edit: I want to say something. on my journey I prayed for a church and Christ showed me the RCC and it was only confirmed to be the right decision for me since then on multiple occasions, but I don't deny the possibility that the Holy Spirit led all you Orthodox Christians to your churches. I trust His judgment and will so we should not attempt influence or manipulate him on his journey but he should pray and trust in God to guide him. I have wondered if the schism was part of His plan for some reason, who are we to guess why? we can only wait and see what comes of it. but I'm tired of seeing the lies, vitriol and hate towards Catholics from blatant misunderstandings, it is not Christ like. I see so much pride from Orthodox people on comments on YT and it's a shame.
I’m new and I’m trying find out what way to go. All I know is I believe in god Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I love learning the rosary and I don’t yet properly understand the different Christian faiths or quite where I belong yet. If anyone can offer any advice I will be so grateful 🙏
It’s not. Not all, but a lot of the differences between that exist between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, already existed centuries before the Great Schism between the West and the Est.
Loving the Orthodox Church is not enough. One of the pockets that is always present and consistent is the Petrine ministry to be a point if unity....be Orthox but embrace that pocket....
He doesn’t know what he is talking about. Every orthodox is different language different culture, the only thing that is the same is iconography. Only eastern catholics do iconography. Roman Catholics have statues. There are no pockets or whatever he is describing.
I received my salvation through the Catholic Church and I learned to love God through the Catholic Church. I learned in their schools through the third grade. God is Lord of the storm. Part of the reason God allowed the Church to split was to achieve different assignments. Jesus will judge the Church. Most need to make sure they are doing and making all the right actions. Catholic and Orthodox churches are still around, must be a purpose. Pray, love and wish the body to be well.
...what did Jesus say to one of His female followers,?🤔 she was asking Jesus to tell her sister to help her with the serving, Jesus reprimanded Martha, because He enjoyed having His followers clinging on His every word, as does God enjoy us when we lean on His Word and His promises💁♀️💞🌿🕊🌈🌻🙋♀️
To me, he's highlighting the superiority of Catholicism. It is truly a catholic (universal) church. Eastern orthodoxy has only one regional expression but it does not have catholicity.
Where does it say in the Bible that I have to go through first communion in order to be "allowed" to participate in communion? Doesbt simply believing Jesus is the Son of God simply enough? Also why doesn't the Catholic church talk about the Holy Spirit??
What I don't like about the Orthodox Church is that it doesn't consider the Virgin Mary the Immaculate Conception when she clearly is look at Lady of Lourdes, also I have felt the presence of Jesus A taste of him and I could not imagine having all of God within my womb so Mary is very special I smell roses all the time and I feel my mother's presence... I also can smell other Saints such as Saint Therese and I could feel her presence as well, the Orthodox Church doesn't recognize Saints after a certain period of time which is not right
Only correct in the context of the post concillor church. Post Trent & before the 2nd Vatican Council, the Western Catholic Church wasn't a liturgical & doctrinal fruit salad. There was universal conformity, with only cultural variation in expression.
The catholic church has many avenues to know, reach, relate, worship Jesus, we all have unique degrees of holiness as God's people. The options or variety give God's people options or choice in how they desire to honour God Almighty.
Yes, in one Catholic Church the air is is thick with incense, leaving me gasping as I walk in. In another it’s guitars and banjos. At least different churches are not shooting at each other.
I love everything about orthodoxy but camnot get into iconography. God says no graven images . Nor can i justify praying to a saint over jesus himself it makes no theological sense
Thats why im leaning away from ortodoxy because the center is icons and not Christ i just need him not a icon of him i cannot forget the second comandment
The Orthodox Church is wounded. They only have 220k members. Catholicism has 1.3 billion followers. Rome was the epicenter in handling all the heretical issues that came out of the east. We have a parish in every community of the world. We are responsible for building the Western world in terms of education hospitals and universities. We are the champion of life's and we are the greatest giver of charity.
I will look into this. Sounds ritualistic to me. I went to my wife church Catholic and was being fed the word. I asked for a Bible. No Bibles. I want to read and test the spirit and see if its in alignment. They looked at me like I was crazy. Also i felt nothing in there nothing 😅 Holy Spirit
I am a convert too Catholicism and attend the Latin Mass. I understand what he’s saying when it comes to the Novus Ordo; but in the Mass (Latin rite) that has been the bedrock of the faith for well over a millennium; no. The pontiff is the seat of Peter and this matters!
@@kimphilby7999 I think it’s best to clarify the significance of the seat of Peter and its biblical origins. Christ established Peter’s position when He commissioned him by his renaming after Peter’s declaration. Examples: The continual singling out of Peter in scripture; with the angel at the tomb, Jesus’s undoing of his three denials and Christ commissioning him, Paul’s referencing his authority, etc… Also, the historical fact of the church going to the leading bishop on authority when the apostle John was still alive. My point, is that there is a strong biblical argument. It’s also congruent with the old covenant and a high priest; ie, Moses. Jesus references the “seat of Moses” as an authority. The pope is the vicar. He himself can personally error but the Holy Spirit protect the position when it comes to faith and morals. Example: What has been made dogmatic has never been undone in the 2000 yr history of the church; no matter who was the pope. Christ IS The Church and this includes the papacy. God bless you.
@@daddydaycareah3994 there is something that i don't understand and i wish for you to explain it better for me: if the Pontif claims to be the descendant of Peter through apostolic succession, how can he do that if Peter was Bishop of Antioch, and not of Rome?
@@player1playforfun that’s a great question and I’ll do my best to answer. The successor of Peter has to do with the position of Peter, not of where, but of whom. Jesus didn’t establish Peter as a bishop of a place but of his church
John chv14 v 6 And Jesus answered, I Am the Way the Truth and the Life no one comes to the Father Except through me Acts ch 4 v12 Neither is there Salvation in Any other for there is No other Name under Heaven given Amongst Men Whereby Ye Must be Saved .Gods word.
In Catholicism for example we pray to Mary to pray for us, Mary can’t remove our sin but if u think about it Mary is the mother of Jesus , so clearly Mary and god have a special relationship since Mary is the mother of Jesus , so god .. Asking Mary or saints in heaven to pray for us is just the, asking god to help us , e don’t pray to saints to do Jesus job ,w e pray saints to pray for us
When Jesus/God demands you pray directly to Him? He will hear you. Didn't Jesus withdraw His kinship to Mary from the cross when He said, ""Woman, here is your son". Jesus then said to the disciple, "Here is your mother," No one can intercede between you and Jesus Christ.
@@anthonybizzell3857 true , but I think that since the saints are in heaven with god asking them to pray for us is not them interceding our prayers to god , it’s just like if I ask someone to pray for me , we ofc pray to god , we just ask for the saints , so the ones who were very close and who are every close to god to also pray for us
The Greek orthodox church actually encourages there congregation to submit to the covid 19 shot through the faith 4 vaccines program through the nih for money
I believe the God gives blessings to the Catholic church, the Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the east and the Coptic churches. Jesus wanted his body to be whole and as humans we have found ways to divide ourselves. It will take a great amount of humility on all sides for us to be united as One. It will take the Holy Spirit working through the leity to make this happen. As a potential convert to Orthodoxy or Catholicism I appreciate both. All Glory be to Jesus Christ.
Though it’s not polite to say, the church isn’t divided. It’s one like it always was one (Orthodox). There’s no point in giving someone legitimacy for leaving it. Otherwise, we can call Arius and those who followed him a church too.
If one colour is good enough to represent this earth it would be less complicated…..but all colours existed so each can survive. If simplified is enough to serve god it is great but if people needs requires different methods and different methods are used to keep people close to god is also in service to god…. One right intention is all in service to god, not absolute restrictions cuz with absolute force and restrictions bring stronger rejection and destruction and nature constantly displays by earthquakes ..etc which is caused by a big force
What the Vatican has never understood is that if you take something and continually change it - which the RCC routinely does - then what you end up with is not what you started out with. So they can state all they want that they are "the church that Jesus founded" when Jesus would not recognize - let alone approve - of what the RCC now is.
This is absolutely amazing and illuminating! My favorite was watching ALL OF the previous GENTLEMEN, I wish I knew who he was! *On the truly importance of MARRIAGE AND WHAT IS SYMBOLIZES TO YOUR CHILD, OUR YOUTH, THE WORLD, BUT MOST IMPACTFUL WITHIN OURSELVES! As the love and companionship and friendship and respect is honor. His devotion and his commitment is truly real from loving me unconditionally. his loyalty his soul his heart and his mind are divinely connected and Genuinely aligned with mine! He has never wavered his compassion or his commitment for us and our very strong yet also delicate bond as one. Completely devoted companion’s who truly love and honor with compassionate care for one another can achieve the highest level’s of Absolute Love both together and within thy self. As God intended for all of us!* And this is true salvation and happiness! From my marriage I have felt the way God Loves Us! This is how I have succeeded in life in every aspect of my soul and mind and heart! But without that I would truly feel hopeless and alone, unwanted and unloved! MOST IMPORTANT UNWORTHY! MY MARRIAGE AS HE SAID VERY MUCH SYMBOLIZES THE DEVOTION GOD HAS FOR HIS CHILDREN, ALL HIS CHILDREN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!
The weakness is the claim that it's true. Because when asked to demonstrate the truth claims, we are told to have faith. Faith is not a reliable pathway to truth.
Mar mari stated that the Orthodox Church is like the straight path to god and that Catholicism is like a mother keeping her children under her roof. He said both ways are leading to god
It shall help you to understand Scripture if you mark not only what is spoken, or written, but ask yourself of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goes before and what follows after.”
I love the songs being sung in the church which makes followers mind directed towards god through songs is wonderful….. song is such that directs to where and who it is directed and is best way to hear and feel god….. ❤
Raised a catholic but left as a teen. Never understood why catholism was so bad until studying scripture and understanding confessing to a priest who has no authority to forgive sins, meant all those sins can ONLY be forgiven by Yeshua/Jesus.
There is no iconography in the scriptures No iconography or partiular kind of singing in the teachings of Jesus Christ or Paul. JESUS warned against teaching which adds or make the traditions of men equivalent to scripture.
Idols are a no no. Icons are fine. Humans themselves are an icon of God. We are made in his image. Christ is the perfect icon, the perfect image of God. Mankind are flawed icons. By uniting with Christ we become unflawed icons, though still not perfect as only God and Christ are perfect.
1 Corinthians 14:33 King James Version 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 2 Timothy 2:15 King James Version 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
All we have to do is accept Jesus Christ and profess Him as our saviour. He saves us regardless of chants, icons and all the other stuff. Jesus is a jealous God and doesn't share his glory with other 'saints' living or dead.
I went along to a Catholic mass recently in my home town. On the one hand I was impressed that it was so well attended, with lots of families with children, and generally a good atmosphere. On the negative side, the service was actually not too dissimilar to the Baptist church I used to go to, a structured service, but fairly light, liturgically, not quite informal, but straying fairly close.
I went to my brother's wedding a year or two ago at a Catholic church and it honestly barely looked any different from protestant services I attended growing up. Some of the music was even identical.
It’s a sad reality. That’s why the Latin mass is so SO important. Not like the new order masses… they do resemble more and more like Protestant services each year
As a Catholic I very much understand and respect this opinion, still while I highly value iconography and chants, I like that Catholicism offers other forms of practicing Christianity while not throwing tradition out of the window like Protestant tend to do.
Orthodox is spiritual due to God spirit present. As a child growing up in my Orthodox church l loved all the icons, the choir service its love towards God, when l became an Altarboy my love towards God was unquenchable that made me even serve in the altar when got old to teach the young ones too. God is so beautiful if you truly let yourself be in God control cause your spirit isn't like any others cause if you ask a priest, nun, monk or any others they will tell you they also let God and Jesus steer them towards heaven. If you don't believe me try it, you might find peace too.
Papal infallibility not being a thing in the Orthodox Church means every doctrine that is developed in your church is prone to error (and most likely developed in error) because you guys don’t believe the Holy Spirit leading the clergy in charge of making these important doctrine can prevent error which technically is blasphemous.
@@TonyG203You have that completely wrong. We believe the Holy Spirit leads the church itself and protects it from falsehoods, through councils and tradition. We dont believe sinners can be infallible. Its a paradox, and is meant to be.
@user-xm5tj5sd3b are you a Catholic? If so, how is Pope Francis doing?
@@ChrisShockz how are councils exactly led, and who is leading them? Also, how do you compose an infallible book with a fallible magisterium? Doesn’t even make sense logically. Are St. Paul, St. Peter, st mark sinners? Yes. Does that make their writings in scripture fallible?
@@viktoralexanderyakimov3936 I hope he’s doing good God bless
Glory to Jesus Christ ☦️
Glory forever!
Who is this guy? He has a very pleasing voice and I wanna hear him speak more!
Thts my old teacher from Saint Katherine's College Fr. Andrew Cuneo. He is an amazing guy!
@@daimionkaizafox Why are you then a furry?
also, i have been inspiring to some furries and got them out of situations that are unhealthy such as polygamy for example. It seems fit tht my calling rn is to be a light in the dark for people tht need it. I am trying but there are days where it is very very difficult to do tht.
@@daimionkaizafox ok, thats a great answer even tho theres nothing holding somone for to be a furry but aight 😂 the first step i would recommend you is remove the pfp and choose something you really love instead of this. besides having anxiety or a fur suit fetish what is holding you?
@@AleksandarArambasic the furry pfp isnt a fetish. I first found the furry fandom through wholesome means. My pfp is a representation of my personality. There is a nsfw side but i keep tht private.
As a Catholic I have to agree. You go to an orthodox liturgy and you know what you're gonna get. You go to a catholic mass and you don't know if you're gonna get an organ, guitars, drumkit, funny priest, reverent priest? It's a guessing game.
Don't exchange the glory of god to worship man even if it's a Catholic church
If you are seeking “certainty” , best not do so in a place that only exists upon “faith”.
Vatican 2 was an abomination
As a Catholic I actually see this as one of the very strengths of Catholicism. You can definetly see different people and different traditions but at the core the Church is one.
To me seems just an all people pleaser, which if you read the new testament, neither Jesus nor the apostoles were.
@@Isfean I mean, Catholic Church also has its own boudaries, point is within those boudaries there's room for charisms to grow!
Well I don't see the boundaries since you can be a muslim and deny Christ's deity and still be somehow linked to the body of Christ because you believe in one God.
This will be my last comment, I'm not here to argue. Anybody who seeks shall find.
I agree as someone considering catholic faith
@@Isfean No it isn't because most of what you refer as tradition today developed over time within a cultural medium. The vestment, the liturgy, veneration of icons and even God's energy- essence distinction. You can afford to hold this view of Orthodoxy that you hold because the church for past 1500 years has remained predominantly within a geographical location. Catholics on the other hand have interacted with more cultures and offcourse will be influenced by those cultures.
Lord Jesus Christ is with us. Glory be to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. Amen 🛐☦️
Orthodoxy or death
Jesus Christ conquers
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You’re silly
Amen 🙏☦️❤️
As a former Roman Catholic, I know exactly what he is getting at.
As a 0-400ad Christian there are many differences in all the countries/Churches and I'm not gonna leave the universal Church because of that.
@@ar2ro969orthodoxy isn't really leaving for the most part
The only thing dividing orthodoxy from Catholicism is simply the Pope and his authority
I agree with what he is saying, but even with those flaws in the Catholic Church, the truth is the truth therefore I will not leave the Catholic Church no matter the flaws because the truth remains the same, I am Catholic not because of the people, the practices, etc. I am Catholic because Jesus is present there in the Eucharist. hope we Catholics and orthodox come to unity one day🙏🏻
Former catholic 😂😂 as a orthodox I wouldn't accept you , if you can leave from a true church of christ to another true church , you stand for nothing you will soon leave for something else ,
What corruption? Why not get rid of it
So true & so sad. Before Vatican II the Catholic Church was the One Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church with such beauty & continuity for ages. What you discovered in seeking Orthodoxy was this pre Vatican II Church. It's only been 60 years since VII yet a whole generation has been so deprived of its sacred past. But, Catholics, have hope & don't settle. Seek a truly traditional Latin Mass community where your faith can be learned in it's fullness of doctrine & in true Worship. 🙏✝️🙏
That’s a fair set of observations. But Catholicism is exceptionally ethnically and culturally diverse.
I love my "orthodox" brothers and sisters in Christ. I love the church as a whole. I also love my "Catholic" brothers and sisters in Christ. I love my "Protestant" brothers and sisters in Christ. I have had a revelation from God in recent months that tells me the Church (all Christians) need to come together as one under the one true God that revealed himself in the flesh and died on the cross for the sins of the world, raised to life on the 3rd day and conquered death once and for all. Whoever that believes in him shall not parish but have eternal life.
I understand there are ritualistic differences throughout different denominations but I believe coming together would make our lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth smile upon us and glorify his holy name.
God bless you sir.
Convet to the Orthodox Church, then.
Convert to Orthodoxy! ❤
The only thing about the Catholic religion is that you all pray to Mother Mary and the saints, but the Bible clearly states that we should pray to Jesus and through Him, God listens to our prayers. I’m not trying to judge in no way so please don’t take it the wrong way, I just don’t understand? Can you explain this to me please and thank you?
@debrajones4010 much like when you ask someone to pray for you during a trying time Catholics ask the saints and the mother Mary to intercede for them in that same way.
4 different types of prayer. Read Paul's writing. @@debrajones4010
I am Roman Catholic and i do understand what he is saying. I do see our church becoming too comfortable with alternatives to…not sure how to word this right…quality
BUT I also understand how the leniency in some areas like the music at mass can help reach a extremely large variety of people
It would seem to the outsider, that Orthodox adheres excessively to outward symbols and rituals of expressions of faith that are expected to be followed rigidly, as signs of faith. Wouldn’t that just be a new set of Mosaic Laws?
Not followed rigidly as signs of faith but aids to help us in our worship and stay on track on the way with Christ. I've been Orthodox for about three years, previously Baptist, and I feel that I've been given a big open space to move around in, even though there are clear boundaries - but boundaries are good and necessary. Going back to the evangelical protestant world would feel like climbing back into a box - even though I have the utmost respect for my many friends still in that tradition and also gratitude for the way that tradition nurtured me through the years leading up to my conversion to Orthodoxy.
As a Roman catholic. I'm not sure what he is referring to. My church has latin mass everyday. And during the mass have the full latin rite during the consecration. And we sre big on iconography. Because the church is a reminder of heaven andnits beauty.
This is quite rare on the world stage. Most Catholic churches are not like this, and do not offer latin mass. I love Catholicism, but it is rare.
@@theremix54 a big problem is that there are not enough priests. This stuff use to be more common. But my 1 priest is the pastor of 2 churches and 3 prisons and our hospital.
It's not about lack of priests, Francis has gone out of his way to persecute the Latin mass. Vast majority of catholic services now are novus ordo.
@@therealkingbaldwin no he hasn't
@@KarmicSaltyes Francis has. He’s literally killing it at the seminary level and not allowing it in most dioceses, wake up to the evil that is Jorge Bergoglio.
Statues were rejected by the early Church
We dont have Statues only Icons that are Painted Pictures☝🏻☦️❤️
@RafaEl-qn6ep are you Roman Catholic
@@AleksandarArambasic Lord bless you ❤️🙏🕊️✝️
@@SeekTheCross thank you. He you too ❤️☦️🙏🏻
The Catholic form of iconography is statues.... so our iconography is consistent 😂
Not true.
The Gospel, Christ's sacrifice for sin, is so pure and simple. Why clutter it with man-works?
Mais, qu’as-tu dans ta tête ! J’aime mieux ne pas savoir, pour sûr des insanités ! Tes propres créations pas très catholiques… évidemment!
True that ☦️ I attest to that as a former Catholic and now Orthodox 🙏☦️
True understanding and knowledge of God is found in the HolyBible. READING IT
Not in icons or chanting
The HolyBible, the Word of God is what is required.
Nothing to do with the words orthodox catholic Baptist Anglican or any of these words
The Word of God the HolyBible is what should be talked about. It’s what should be repeated. It’s where the focus needs to be. There are actually no instructions from God in any of His Word to draw pictures. NONE
But there is an instruction given by God in both the Old and New Testaments on what He wants from you:
Deuteronomy 8
3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.
Matthew 4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The thing that is required of you from God is to read all of His Word and live by all of His Word.
That’s what God wants. Those are HIS INSTRUCTIONS
Still waiting for an Orthobro to show me a pocket of iconography in the New Testament
No you arent.
@@MiskeenKareem I sure am. No one has ever done so before
It’s hard for me to think my Catholic religion is a graceless cult. If tomorrow I became an Orthobro I would still have a hard time denying the faith of the Catholics as more like a break in communion rather than a heresy.
It isn't bro, be careful of the misinformed people causing further divisions. the separation is from political egos and some theological differences of opinion. Check out ecumenism. We are of the same faith, have faith we will be one unified church again. Follow Jesus and where the Holy Spirit takes you, not that of the opinion of men, even mine, do some of your own research into the history of the church and what Catholic means. God bless.
Forgive me, this may come off as rude especially when compared to the other commenter above me: ecumenism is a heresy for a VERY GOOD REASON!
The reason is this:
To subscribe to some ecumenist idea like branch theory (or something like it) is to deny the obviously apparent differences between Catholic and Orthodox ecclesiology. Both institutions are EXCLUSIVIST to each other, despite modernizing efforts.
As an orthodox Christian, I must say to you, both churches CANNOT be true at the same time due to theology, especially ecclesiology.
Please, take your time in earnest prayer, I will pray that you come to understand the truth.
@@r4ngerr4ge32 be careful of your pride, brother. you might want to pray for understanding also. you're right though, there is only one truth but who are you or I to assert we have it? and ecumenism is far from being a heresy, it is simply the aim of creating unity in the church, if your patriarchs can do this you should be able to open your own heart toward it. It is the wish of Jesus Himself that we come together, asserting tribal pride and arrogance only hinders that goal. God bless.
edit: I want to say something. on my journey I prayed for a church and Christ showed me the RCC and it was only confirmed to be the right decision for me since then on multiple occasions, but I don't deny the possibility that the Holy Spirit led all you Orthodox Christians to your churches. I trust His judgment and will so we should not attempt influence or manipulate him on his journey but he should pray and trust in God to guide him. I have wondered if the schism was part of His plan for some reason, who are we to guess why? we can only wait and see what comes of it. but I'm tired of seeing the lies, vitriol and hate towards Catholics from blatant misunderstandings, it is not Christ like. I see so much pride from Orthodox people on comments on YT and it's a shame.
I’m new and I’m trying find out what way to go. All I know is I believe in god Jesus and the Holy Spirit. I love learning the rosary and I don’t yet properly understand the different Christian faiths or quite where I belong yet. If anyone can offer any advice I will be so grateful 🙏
It’s not. Not all, but a lot of the differences between that exist between Catholicism and Orthodoxy, already existed centuries before the Great Schism between the West and the Est.
That's right..
Fabulous Byzantine chant does not exonorate you from seeking unity and reconciliation, Father....
Loving the Orthodox Church is not enough. One of the pockets that is always present and consistent is the Petrine ministry to be a point if unity....be Orthox but embrace that pocket....
He doesn’t know what he is talking about. Every orthodox is different language different culture, the only thing that is the same is iconography. Only eastern catholics do iconography. Roman Catholics have statues. There are no pockets or whatever he is describing.
No Orthodox church anywhere close to me. I'm in Quebec, which was historically mostly Catholic. How and where can I learn more about Orthodoxy?
I received my salvation through the Catholic Church and I learned to love God through the Catholic Church. I learned in their schools through the third grade.
God is Lord of the storm. Part of the reason God allowed the Church to split was to achieve different assignments.
Jesus will judge the Church.
Most need to make sure they are doing and making all the right actions. Catholic and Orthodox churches are still around, must be a purpose. Pray, love and wish the body to be well.
...what did Jesus say to one of His female followers,?🤔 she was asking Jesus to tell her sister to help her with the serving, Jesus reprimanded Martha, because He enjoyed having His followers clinging on His every word, as does God enjoy us when we lean on His Word and His promises💁♀️💞🌿🕊🌈🌻🙋♀️
To me, he's highlighting the superiority of Catholicism. It is truly a catholic (universal) church. Eastern orthodoxy has only one regional expression but it does not have catholicity.
❤️☦️❤️GOD BLESS, I LOVE YOU JESUS!!
Where does it say in the Bible that I have to go through first communion in order to be "allowed" to participate in communion? Doesbt simply believing Jesus is the Son of God simply enough? Also why doesn't the Catholic church talk about the Holy Spirit??
What I don't like about the Orthodox Church is that it doesn't consider the Virgin Mary the Immaculate Conception when she clearly is look at Lady of Lourdes, also I have felt the presence of Jesus A taste of him and I could not imagine having all of God within my womb so Mary is very special I smell roses all the time and I feel my mother's presence... I also can smell other Saints such as Saint Therese and I could feel her presence as well, the Orthodox Church doesn't recognize Saints after a certain period of time which is not right
Only correct in the context of the post concillor church. Post Trent & before the 2nd Vatican Council, the Western Catholic Church wasn't a liturgical & doctrinal fruit salad. There was universal conformity, with only cultural variation in expression.
What about ' Do not have graven image?" Orthodox has icons everywhere on the walls. All that ceremony and drama reminds me of Catholic Church.
The catholic church has many avenues to know, reach, relate, worship Jesus, we all have unique degrees of holiness as God's people. The options or variety give God's people options or choice in how they desire to honour God Almighty.
He just says that before Chalcedon the only true Church is the Byzanite Church.
Yes, in one Catholic Church the air is is thick with incense, leaving me gasping as I walk in. In another it’s guitars and banjos. At least different churches are not shooting at each other.
I love everything about orthodoxy but camnot get into iconography. God says no graven images . Nor can i justify praying to a saint over jesus himself it makes no theological sense
Just cut through all man made doctrine, and solidify your relationship with Jesus Christ
Why so much division. Explain please. I grew up south Texas Baptist. 🤔
Catholicism is a lie, I never knew the Bible or was told to buy a Bible, or how to go into prayer and praise to Abba Father.
What's wrong is they do things and rituals that are completely no where in the Bible and are simply man made just like a corporation!
The Catholic church is not just Roman. There are 23 different churchs such as Maronites who have their own Patriarch .
God is holy and he guides us with his discipline and grace. Fast and pray and worship him. ❤
Please don’t confuse the current Catholic Church (in crisis) with the true Catholic Church of the ages.
Thats why im leaning away from ortodoxy because the center is icons and not Christ i just need him not a icon of him i cannot forget the second comandment
What’s with the ecumenist drivel lately is this account under new ownership?
The problem with religion is the belief in non-existent deities and a non-existent “afterlife”.
I feel Catholics and orthodox Christians have a strange sort of respect for each other that they don't have for Protestants
Or words that most people don’t understand! Go Catholics
Orthodoxy promotes Oneness
Between us and Out Father right?
That is true I am Catholic I'm not proud of it I'm more favor to Orthodox church
It is a little better than Catholicism.
Doctrine Definitely Matters!
I just stick to the Word of God and prefer not to get involved in traditions
Waaay too many words i didnt understand... lamens terms please.
Jesus is center head Lord apart from Hum we cannot do anything
The Orthodox Church is wounded. They only have 220k members. Catholicism has 1.3 billion followers. Rome was the epicenter in handling all the heretical issues that came out of the east. We have a parish in every community of the world. We are responsible for building the Western world in terms of education hospitals and universities. We are the champion of life's and we are the greatest giver of charity.
@EasternChristian333 My bad, 220 million
And the Son. Orthodoxy still comes apart at the same old seam.
I will look into this. Sounds ritualistic to me. I went to my wife church Catholic and was being fed the word. I asked for a Bible. No Bibles. I want to read and test the spirit and see if its in alignment. They looked at me like I was crazy. Also i felt nothing in there nothing 😅 Holy Spirit
The entire Mass has references to the Bible and there are multiple scripture readings. Are you sure you went to a Catholic church?
So the Catholic Faith is universal in expression?
Iconography is another word for idolatry.
So many words to look up, in one short clip?!😅😏😆
So, occultism is your center. Bingo.
I am a convert too Catholicism and attend the Latin Mass. I understand what he’s saying when it comes to the Novus Ordo; but in the Mass (Latin rite) that has been the bedrock of the faith for well over a millennium; no. The pontiff is the seat of Peter and this matters!
So,you are giving Peter's seat,more credit than the church?
@@kimphilby7999 I think it’s best to clarify the significance of the seat of Peter and its biblical origins. Christ established Peter’s position when He commissioned him by his renaming after Peter’s declaration. Examples:
The continual singling out of Peter in scripture; with the angel at the tomb, Jesus’s undoing of his three denials and Christ commissioning him, Paul’s referencing his authority, etc…
Also, the historical fact of the church going to the leading bishop on authority when the apostle John was still alive.
My point, is that there is a strong biblical argument.
It’s also congruent with the old covenant and a high priest; ie, Moses.
Jesus references the “seat of Moses” as an authority.
The pope is the vicar. He himself can personally error but the Holy Spirit protect the position when it comes to faith and morals.
Example:
What has been made dogmatic has never been undone in the 2000 yr history of the church; no matter who was the pope.
Christ IS The Church and this includes the papacy.
God bless you.
@@daddydaycareah3994 there is something that i don't understand and i wish for you to explain it better for me: if the Pontif claims to be the descendant of Peter through apostolic succession, how can he do that if Peter was Bishop of Antioch, and not of Rome?
@@player1playforfun that’s a great question and I’ll do my best to answer. The successor of Peter has to do with the position of Peter, not of where, but of whom. Jesus didn’t establish Peter as a bishop of a place but of his church
John chv14 v 6 And Jesus answered, I Am the Way the Truth and the Life no one comes to the Father Except through me Acts ch 4 v12 Neither is there Salvation in Any other for there is No other Name under Heaven given Amongst Men Whereby Ye Must be Saved .Gods word.
And Orthodox have much better beards
What a beautiful and gracious soul i aspire in this.
So, if I buy an icon from a catholic store, is it good enough to be presented as a gift to an orthodox peer?
Depends on the icon. Don't use a sacred heart one or post schsmatics saint.
@@tcritchfeld481Iconoggaphy is not according tp the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Love the art...do not respect the religion.
In Catholicism for example we pray to Mary to pray for us, Mary can’t remove our sin but if u think about it Mary is the mother of Jesus , so clearly Mary and god have a special relationship since Mary is the mother of Jesus , so god ..
Asking Mary or saints in heaven to pray for us is just the, asking god to help us , e don’t pray to saints to do Jesus job ,w e pray saints to pray for us
When Jesus/God demands you pray directly to Him?
He will hear you.
Didn't Jesus withdraw His kinship to Mary from the cross when He said, ""Woman, here is your son". Jesus then said to the disciple, "Here is your mother,"
No one can intercede between you and Jesus Christ.
@@anthonybizzell3857 true , but I think that since the saints are in heaven with god asking them to pray for us is not them interceding our prayers to god , it’s just like if I ask someone to pray for me , we ofc pray to god , we just ask for the saints , so the ones who were very close and who are every close to god to also pray for us
The Greek orthodox church actually encourages there congregation to submit to the covid 19 shot through the faith 4 vaccines program through the nih for money
I start to love the ortodox way more and more...
I believe the God gives blessings to the Catholic church, the Orthodox Church, the Assyrian Church of the east and the Coptic churches. Jesus wanted his body to be whole and as humans we have found ways to divide ourselves. It will take a great amount of humility on all sides for us to be united as One. It will take the Holy Spirit working through the leity to make this happen. As a potential convert to Orthodoxy or Catholicism I appreciate both. All Glory be to Jesus Christ.
Though it’s not polite to say, the church isn’t divided. It’s one like it always was one (Orthodox). There’s no point in giving someone legitimacy for leaving it.
Otherwise, we can call Arius and those who followed him a church too.
Byzantine Catholic ✌🏻
Nice way to glorify idolatry.
If one colour is good enough to represent this earth it would be less complicated…..but all colours existed so each can survive. If simplified is enough to serve god it is great but if people needs requires different methods and different methods are used to keep people close to god is also in service to god…. One right intention is all in service to god, not absolute restrictions cuz with absolute force and restrictions bring stronger rejection and destruction and nature constantly displays by earthquakes ..etc which is caused by a big force
What the Vatican has never understood is that if you take something and continually change it - which the RCC routinely does - then what you end up with is not what you started out with. So they can state all they want that they are "the church that Jesus founded" when Jesus would not recognize - let alone approve - of what the RCC now is.
Bishop Mar Mari Emmanuel 🫶 Fantastic preacher
This is not Mar Mari Emmanuel. Mari Emmanuel also is not Orthodox
@@distracted900 I never said Bishop Mar Mari is in the video. Bishop Mar Mari is Orthodox. I’m thankful he’s doing well.
@@GordonGartrell27 He is not Orthodox. He has never has been, and has never claimed to be a bishop of the Orthodox Church
@@distracted900 He's not Greek Orthodox, but he is Orthodox. Amazing preacher
@@GordonGartrell27 How you do define "Orthodox"?
This is absolutely amazing and illuminating!
My favorite was watching ALL OF the previous GENTLEMEN, I wish I knew who he was! *On the truly importance of MARRIAGE AND WHAT IS SYMBOLIZES TO YOUR CHILD, OUR YOUTH, THE WORLD, BUT MOST IMPACTFUL WITHIN OURSELVES! As the love and companionship and friendship and respect is honor. His devotion and his commitment is truly real from loving me unconditionally. his loyalty his soul his heart and his mind are divinely connected and Genuinely aligned with mine! He has never wavered his compassion or his commitment for us and our very strong yet also delicate bond as one. Completely devoted companion’s who truly love and honor with compassionate care for one another can achieve the highest level’s of Absolute Love both together and within thy self. As God intended for all of us!*
And this is true salvation and happiness!
From my marriage I have felt the way God Loves Us! This is how I have succeeded in life in every aspect of my soul and mind and heart!
But without that I would truly feel hopeless and alone, unwanted and unloved! MOST IMPORTANT UNWORTHY! MY MARRIAGE AS HE SAID VERY MUCH SYMBOLIZES THE DEVOTION GOD HAS FOR HIS CHILDREN, ALL HIS CHILDREN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THEM!
The weakness is the claim that it's true. Because when asked to demonstrate the truth claims, we are told to have faith. Faith is not a reliable pathway to truth.
One thing to love abour orthodoxy is its uniformity, the same liturgy you attened would be almost the exact same liturgy as 500 years ago
And now there's a deaconess
Mar mari stated that the Orthodox Church is like the straight path to god and that Catholicism is like a mother keeping her children under her roof. He said both ways are leading to god
It shall help you to understand Scripture if you mark not only what is spoken, or written, but ask yourself of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what goes before and what follows after.”
Depends on the time period. Unlike the Latin West, the Greek East had multiple iconoclastic movements to contend with
I’m Roman Catholic and have icons on my wall. I love both iconography and statues 🥰.
I love the songs being sung in the church which makes followers mind directed towards god through songs is wonderful….. song is such that directs to where and who it is directed and is best way to hear and feel god….. ❤
Raised a catholic but left as a teen. Never understood why catholism was so bad until studying scripture and understanding confessing to a priest who has no authority to forgive sins, meant all those sins can ONLY be forgiven by Yeshua/Jesus.
There is no iconography in the scriptures
No iconography or partiular kind of singing in the teachings of Jesus Christ or Paul. JESUS warned against teaching which adds or make the traditions of men equivalent to scripture.
But what I loved...
The Mystery which is not that: clergyman is the Son of the Pious Mother/Lady?
Why always a beard?
Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus
Paganism too.
Thought icons were a no-no in gods eyes ?
Idols are a no no. Icons are fine. Humans themselves are an icon of God. We are made in his image. Christ is the perfect icon, the perfect image of God. Mankind are flawed icons. By uniting with Christ we become unflawed icons, though still not perfect as only God and Christ are perfect.
1 Corinthians 14:33
King James Version
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
2 Timothy 2:15
King James Version
15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
All we have to do is accept Jesus Christ and profess Him as our saviour. He saves us regardless of chants, icons and all the other stuff. Jesus is a jealous God and doesn't share his glory with other 'saints' living or dead.
I went along to a Catholic mass recently in my home town. On the one hand I was impressed that it was so well attended, with lots of families with children, and generally a good atmosphere. On the negative side, the service was actually not too dissimilar to the Baptist church I used to go to, a structured service, but fairly light, liturgically, not quite informal, but straying fairly close.
I grew up Baptist and the mass is not the same as a Baptist Sunday service
I went to my brother's wedding a year or two ago at a Catholic church and it honestly barely looked any different from protestant services I attended growing up. Some of the music was even identical.
It’s a sad reality. That’s why the Latin mass is so SO important. Not like the new order masses… they do resemble more and more like Protestant services each year
As a Catholic I very much understand and respect this opinion, still while I highly value iconography and chants, I like that Catholicism offers other forms of practicing Christianity while not throwing tradition out of the window like Protestant tend to do.
Not all Protestant denominations reject tradition
Va 2. Peter.
I found the fullness of my Christian faith...
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