@@xavicastorena4739 the problem is that there are some chumps in the media that try and make you believe at no point that Kobe was the best player in the League while Lebron was playing...or that Lebron was the best player basically since making the playoffs in 2005-2006...
@justbranden7875 lol that's a good point. I'm a laker fan I count that ring. I understand the circumstances and it may have been easier to some extent but many teams played, one team won. Go Lakers
@@2123lotto Doesn’t mean nothing. Too many factors involved and I’m very sure they didn’t guard each other one on one the entire game. Stop reaching. The people have spoken!!!
People don’t understand that Kobe was the better player in the last Kobe-Shaq championship. Lakers chose to keep Kobe and trade Shaq. Shaq gets the most credit for the 3 rings because he was established on the Lakers and in the NBA before Kobe. Bean has always been the closer on those teams, so all that “Shaq carried Kobe” nonsense is silly
Take Shaq off that team. How many finals do they make it to? 0. Take Kobe off that team. How many trips do they make to the finals? At the very least, 1. Cut that Kobe more important than Shaq shit off.
@@princeomari7 Check the Western conference matchups vs the spurs Shaquille O'Neal averaged 22.4 points, 12.8 rebounds and 2.8 blocks in 30 games in the playoffs versus Tim Duncan in his career. Tim Duncan averaged 25.6 points, 13.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 30 games in the playoffs versus Shaquille O'Neal in his career. So Tim Duncan outplayed shaq in the majority of every category Kobe Bryant averaged 28.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 30 games in the playoffs versus Tim Duncan or Duncan Robinson in his career. Kobe was the best player vs the best defensive team (Spurs) and in the 00s kobe has beat Duncan 4-1 (01,02,04,08) of course shaq had inflated numbers in the finals the eastern conference team was a free lunch
Mic Drop!!! I'm a 41 yr old man from So Cal. Grew up watching Showtime Lakers all the way up to Kobe. The Mamba was special man. He was our Jordan. Poetry in motion. Number 8 or 24. Bron is great, no doubt but I've always felt that those who really know hoop always knew that Kob is/was the better player. Most players past and present pick Kob over Lebron. I just wish we could have gotten that Kob Bron Finals match up. The Mamba really would have showed out. Dope content bruh!!!
Kobe all the way I was always trying 2 keep up with him thru my t.v. when he was healthy he was a killer plain n simple I wore number 8 when I played ball cuz Kobe I've watched lebron was nvr impressed there was few plays when he chased down n blocked the ball on a fast break I was like dang that's kool but all in all lebron comes off the bench n Kobe starts sry lebron fans if Kobe wouldn't have been injury prone his career wud be even more great dude made clutch free throws with a broke Achilles tendon come on now there shud be no debate unfortunately it has 2 b like dis cuz media ppl are trying 2 fill their pockets cuz they are affiliated with bron somehow who was there for Kobe I wanna know he let his play do the talking
I did the math some time ago. During his 15 seasons where he was healthy and allowed to play, Kobe averaged 27.8 or 27.9 points. That would have been the 3rd highest ppg of all-time. When you factor in that Kobe played in the dead ball era, he is unequivocally one of the 5 greatest scorers of all-time, and firmly ahead LeBron.
@IENetworkTV It matters when we're talking about who the better scorer is. Kobe was firmly the better scorer than LeBron. LeBron may have sustained a consistently high level of scoring, but when we're asking who the better scorer is, we're asking who is the best at coming onto the court and getting you a bucket, not who avoided injuries and scored more points over an entire career. Kobe scoring 27.8ppg during his prime, before injury, during an Era where the pace and scoring is the lowest in NBA history, shows that Kobe was the better scorer.
@@sandman1008so basically what you’re saying is that if you take away Kobe’s bad years he would pretty much be equal to Lebron as far as scoring. 27.8 is not that different than 27.0.
@jaydot4956 Well, LeBron is a great scorer. There's no doubt about that. But Kobe was better. That's without question. Plus, as I've said multiple times, Kobe's prime was in the dead ball era, the lowest scoring era in NBA history. If we were to adjust his scoring to the pace of the 2010s and especially the 2020s, those stats I mentioned previously would be close to 30ppg, if not more. Context matters.
LOL lebron was also scoring 30 a game during the dead ball era as well, also lebron fans dont need to cut out 5 years of his career like kobe fans do, try again
As much as people bring up Shaq and Gasol/Odom you cant deny that Kobe has never asked for so much help as LeBron does. LeBron’s whole career is based on needing help.
Why would you being Carried by a top 10 player all time for 3 rings. Then giving up nothing to get all nba player gasol and he tried to stack the deck wit Payton n Malone and he even tried again with Dwight n nash smh. Are you 11 or something?
@@Allwegottt lmao counting Peyton,Malone, and Nash as stacking the deck considering all of them were well past their prime is hilarious. That’s like counting Dwight, Shaq, Rondo, Melo, Shawn Marrion, and Ben Wallace as stacking the deck for LeBron. Do you really wanna go player for player? Like I said Kobe never demanded as much help as LeBron did and that’s just facts Bud.
Ahh, man..Everytime I hear Kobe's name, I cry😢 Still feels unreal that he's no longer with us. Miss you, Kobe Bean Bryant. Gone but not forgotten. Always in our hearts ❤🙏🏾
Gotta give Kobe his due….No “Redeem Team” Gold without him. Kobe was the Alpha! Highest point total in an NBA game that 99.999% actually can see with their own eyes The 2000’s Kobe was the closest we’ll ever get to see the 2nd coming of Jordan. Dude was methodical and obsessed with beating his opponents. Watched both in person up close in their prime and Kobe took things to another level with his intelligence and knowledge of the game without relying on pure athleticism. It was pretty damn impressive!
I hope you know that lebron was the best player during that 08 olympic run, more points, assists, rebs, higher fg% etc. What about 12 when lebron led that team during the olympics
@@johncena4096 If you double check, DWade led the team in scoring at 16 ppg, and had better numbers than Lebron in almost every category. But when it came to the Gold Medal Game vs Spain it was Kobe hitting the dagger 4 Point play and DWade doing the scoring in the clutch. Lebron played well too but they don’t win Gold without Kobe being the Mamba in the clutch.
@@johncena4096Kobe changed the standard and culture on how you approach the game. Teaching them work ethics. That’s the reason that Coach K wanted him in the first place. He leads by example. If Kobe didn’t motivate the team as a whole. LeBron, D-Wade, and Carmelo would have approached it the same way when they won bronze and you know dang well that the Mamba was not going to except that type of mentality. Watch the Redeem Team Doc.
LOL this little nugget again. Lebron, Wade, and Carmelo were coming off their rookie years, Lebron himself was only 19 and averaged 11 minutes a game on that team. The captains of that team were Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson, but you NEVER hear that team brought up against tthem. Also Kobe couldn't have even made the Olympic team at 19, so I don't know why you keep bringing that up.
@@xaviervega468cause if they didn’t recruit Kobe, Bron would be the biggest team UsA loser. As is his his finals record 4-6 is a losing record. Compared for the top 10 players, he has the worst finals record. What an overrated loser
The main reason why Kobe's ppg average for his career is lower than LeBron's is because of those 1st two years he was in the league, he wasn't just handed the team like LeBron was. They had Shaq, Eddie Jones, Van Exel and Elden Campbell there back then and Del Harris was a bit of a Kobe hater so he was coming off the bench with little playing time. However in his 2nd year he was voted to start the all-star team despite still coming off the bench. Take out those first two years and their scoring averages for their career are virtually the same. The Lakers also didn't start winning Chips until they got rid of all those guys and made them a 1-2 punch.
@athirdwhy9734 So if he was trash then how was he voted a starter for the All-Star game in his 2nd season? Explain that one smh. If they don't hand you the keys like they did LeBron there's only so much you can do and back then they made players out of high school earn it before just giving them the keys to the franchise.
@athirdwhy9734 kobe averaged 26 PPG in the pre season in 1997 you mean to tell me Iverson who was shorter and less physically gifted somehow was nba ready to play 40 mins a game but kobe who was picked by the LOGO HIMSELF Jerry West somehow wasn't "good enough" to start ?? and only play 15 mins per game ? I am amazed at how many of y'all just parrot media talking points instead of using critical thinking and using context 1) Kobe did not start simply because starting nba players was not a thing in the 90s at least not for a guard 2) Del Harris would not count points for kobe in practice if he did flashy moves 3) Lakers already had veteran guards nick van exel and Eddie jones - Del Harris was not going to start a high school kid over nba veterans kobe started and played well once the lakers got rid of Eddie jones and nick and what do you know they start winning championships when kobe starts imagine that
@@itshihobecause dude has limited basketball knowledge and or he was looking at stats because he never saw the reg season games of the Lakers back then.... If Kobe had not been traded on draft night and had played for Charlotte he would have averaged 20+ pts....Second yr. Kobe would have been 25+ pts gm....He would have started every game and would have had a Green Light to shoot first...
Michael is 1 and Kobe is 1A to me. Kobe was a sensational basketball player. I've been saying this for years now. Prime versus prime, I'm taking Kobe over Lebron any day and twice on Sundays. I never realized what you just said. Kobe scored 81 points in an era where teams averaged 96. Wow!!!
@@xavicastorena4739ow’d Bron do with 5 All Stars in an expanded playoff format again? Oh right, Lakers had a losing record and missed the playoffs 😂. Kobe took a team with Smush Parker to the playoffs twice and almost beat the 2nd seeded 7SOL Nash led Suns. He only needed Pau and it was 3 straight Finals appearances. Bron couldn’t make even make the playoffs with Melo, Rondo, Westbroook, Dwight, and AD. 😂😂😂 Who was the only Lakers team to lose to the Nuggets? Bron. Go masturbate to his fakeass mixtape or something. He’s only the GOAT of excuses.
Nothing wrong with saying Kobe is better than Lebron. It's just when you say stuff like "far more superior" 🙄...it's more of an exaggeration lol...No need to over do it.
I said it once, Imma say it again, "! Far more superior player than LeBum James"!! I'd take the Black Mamba 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday!! Nice try, tho!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
To meLebron just got stronger, he never added wrinkles. Kpbe added wrinkles to his game, Post ups, how to guard better, dribbling...played well in multiple systems.
Not to you bro,period. That's another reason Kobe is a better basketball player than Lebron...He can adapt his game to to multiple philosophies,Lebron can not. He has played the same way since high school and could never adapt to a different system/style of play. His offensive game is too limited.
@@brookemcneal147 That just is not true. He had to do this in miami playing under Spoelstra and pat riley. And won 2 chips. Ran his own system in cleveland and LA, won 2 more
@@brookemcneal147 in what way? In miami he played under spoelstras offensive philosophy versus his post miami career where it was centered around him driving and kicking out to an open shooter. Thats probably the reason his post and mid game hasnt developed in a way that jordans or kobes did
@@brookemcneal147 You're spot on Kobe played in the triangle, seven seconds, post centric and the run and shoot and played like a boss in every scheme I just watched the 2001 Lakers championship run series on here which I downloaded and watch In that , Phil and Shaq basically told Kobe he's trying to hard and to take it easy , he didn't and the legend was born Again Phil altered his triangle offense to have a more mid range game and Kobe didn't complain he did say he didn't get why he is being told not to grind Also he never complained about any offense he had to learn he just worked hard to master it That's a true leader and legend That's why people say Kobe is second Never heard ANYONE say that about Lebron
Thank you!!! People don’t understand that Kobe in the first 3-peat was just as dominant as Shaq and Kobe didn’t have the gifted talent that Shaq had. Kobe had to work his ass off to be that dominant in the league. And in the 09,10 championships, he only had Pau Gasol who wasn’t even in the TOP 75 as Kobe’s best teammate. He lead a team that were almost near the end of their prime and he even had teammates that other teams didn’t want but he took them all in his wing and fought for those 2 championships like a killer that he really is. Kobe truly deserves to be Top 3 or even Top 2 in the NBA tier list. Im a Kobe guy too and i can safely say that MJ is untouchable, but Kobe is my personal GOAT because of how he played the game.
Lebron did not have a better career than Kobe or Duncan if we only talk basketball. Now if you want to talk about hype and attention surrounding them, then maybe yes. Lebron is not a better scorer than Kobe. I'm not Kobe fan, but he had more skills on the offensive end than Lebron. The pace and scoring were also lower during Kobe's run. I wish people would stop with the Lebron guarding 1-5 BS. Why didn't they put him on Duncan or Joker? Why didn't they put him on Dirk? The 4s and 5s he did play good defense against aren't guys that would be considered Dominant. Playing relatively well against Pau Gasol doesn't mean he can really guard post players. Lebron isn't a scrub, but he is certainly overrated
If you ask nba fans, Whos the better scorer "kobe" wrong its lebron Who is a more efficient scorer "kobe" wrong its lebron Who is a better 3 pt shooter "kobe" wrong its lebron Who led their teams to more rings" kobe" wrong its lebron Who has more points all time "kobe" wrong its lebron My favorite one, Who is more clutch "kobe" wrong its lebron Yall get my point, just cuz the fans believe something, doesnt make it true
Just because yu think Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron doesn’t mean it is true idc about eye test yu don’t get into the hall of fame because of eye test they gon look at ur stats goofy 🤡just because yu think he overrated doesn’t make it true that’s ur opinion
To end the debate . Kobe didn’t had a top 75 player when Shaq left to win championships. Lebron had several top 75 players to win championships. 💯🤷🏽♂️
Kobe won 2 rings without having teammates that could score 20 points per game. That's a fact. No disrespect to anyone. Even MJ didn't do that. Kobe has the most 60 point games leading MJ. What's crazy is people overlook those facts. If LA had one against Boston Kobe would have had a 3 peat. I know that's a would no buts about. Lebron is great. Lebron has made a name for himself. Kobe hands down is and was a machine. I got to talk to Kobe and I have to say that he is definitely the greatest basketball player to me. It was crazy that my baby sitter was actually friends with him. Yes I mean friends. When he entered the league I was about 7 and my baby sitter happened to be a rapper that was friends with people he knew. I'm so grateful for that experience.
Like you said, you have to literally watch the games. Ive been watching bball since the last Lakers 3 peat. Lebron throughout the years has gotten lucky because of how soft the NBA has gotten while he is aging. Teams aren't playing defense like they used to, scoring averages keep going up. Lets not forget about stat padding. I used to watch lebron steal rebounds from chris bosh. He holds the ball for 20 seconds to get the perfect assist. I've watched kobe pass the ball with his teammates not knowing what to do with it and pass it back to him with 2 seconds left on the shot clock, all the time. Lebrons chase down blocks doesn't make him an elite defender lol. The guy literally rests on defense. Context is key. Watch some old games. Lebron would stay in games late just to stat pad. Meanwhile kobe scores 63 in 3 quarters and sits out the 4th.
@@xavicastorena4739 It’s funny cause I see you constantly bashing Kobe in multiple comments on multiple videos. If you disagree with everything Why are you here??? This is a channel for mostly Kobe fans. I understand that everyone has their own opinion but you’re going ALL OUT to diminish Kobe’s legacy. I’m not going to go on a Lebron channel and constantly bash him. I think you’re really a Kobe fan deep down inside 😆. Come and join us we have plenty of room 😆😆😆
Kobe is a more skilled scorer but LeBron is more efficient because he plays bully ball at the rim with his physique. Kobe had more moves, better footwork, hot spots you had to stop him from getting to, and his shooting motion was smoother and more consistent. It all comes down to what you respect more. Stats, or skill.
@xaviervega468 he also had defenses geared toward just stopping him after shaq left so the majority of the time he had to take &make those shots against double teams...when you're starting a game with luke walton chris mihm kwame brown and jordan farmar you would shoot it instead of passing too
Kobe didn't have to jump teams like a lil B to win chips. All I hear is Shaq carried Kobe, but did Shaq win a chip before Kobe 🤔? Shaq made it clear himself, just like MJ did with Pippen. 3peat, 3 chips don't come without Kobe. At least D. Wade won a chip before Lebron's ass. Lebron didn't win JS and was getting his ass whooped left to right, until he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. It's the same story in the Olympics. Lebron didn't win JS until Kobe stepped foot in the picture. Lebixxhes Report had that poll between Kobe and Lebron and the votes were neck to neck. Them clowns honestly thought Lebron was gonna 💨 Kobe. However, every poll out there between MJ and Lebron. MJ always 💨 Lehype 😂
Here's another fun fact: Kobe was the best high school player and best player in his draft. Throughout his whole career Kobe was the best 4th quarter scorer for the regular and postseason.
@@xavicastorena4739that’s because LeBron played longer and gets most of his points off dunks and layups (shots within 3 feet of the basket). Context matters.
It’s media driven, the MJ to Lebron debate. I’ve always said, “Bron hasn’t passed Kobe.” So you can’t have that debate. MJ was god like. And to have to follow that act, carrying basketball on your shoulders in the toughest era, hated by the media, dealing with the Shaq stuff, the western conference… gotta put some respect on his name. Some people think he’s not even the greatest Laker. What??? Lol
You're really out working yourself by breaking down Kobe's years. I was never a fan of him, but, he was a way better player than LeBron by far. I don't worry about stats much. Eye test is what I mostly judge a player on. And that is one of the many reasons I don't have LeBron in my top ten
From a LA person who is both a Kobe and Lebron fan, context matters. Kobe's first coach was biased against high schoolers and age 18 Kobe joined a playoff team with Shaq, Van Exel, Eddie Jones. The coach should have started age 19 Kobe his second season but would not. Western Conference was the clearly best from 1998-99 to 2010-11 Season (9 > 3 chips, more 50+ win Teams). Nor can you deny that that the 1998-99 to 2010-11 Season was a Dead Ball Era with lower NBA Pace & PPG. One undeniable thing to celebrate about LeBron is his physical maintenance to perform at a high level to age 38
"If you want to have fun like I did with Bill Walton, play with LeBron. It would have probably been more fun to play with LeBron, but if you want to win and win and win, it's Kobe. Not that LeBron's not a winner, just that [Kobe's] mindset is to go into every practice, every game, to get better." Larry Bird (Interview with Bill Simmons) WILL STARJACKIOCT 18, 2020 Basketball Network
They would be lucky if they last 3 years together, Lakers would trade Lebron for draft picks to get his sorry ass off the team for some real talent! Kobe#1
Kobe gonna do what Kobe gonna do, but he was not even close to being the greatest shooter of all time. While taking the 4th most shot attempts in NBA history he averaged 44.7% which ranks him as 40th of the top 50 scorers of all time. Better luck with your stats and facts next time Carlton Banks aka Alfonso Ribeiro.
Aye Charles we start bringing up if Kobe has the most misses then guess who's second? Ion like that argument when people bring it up. LeBron is second all time in misses and I believe he's 1st all time in turnovers too
No where neeeeeeeear close!!! Facts! Completely different skill sets. Completely different mindsets. Their approach to the game is what separates them in my opinion. One was built in the mold of other conquerors, obsessed with dominating and imposing ones will over an opponent. While the other reminds one of a petulant child prodigy enamored with his own greatness……..
Players who were the 2nd best player on a championship team was:very important to the success. That goes for all teams. Yet you always see LeBron FANS say shaq carried Kobe when Kobe did very important part.
They are very importannt. Kobe was not carried by any stretch. But at the same time, it simply does not carry the same weight as being the #1 guy, and way too many Kobe fans refuse to acknowledge this.
Kobe was an underrated passer. Because he was a shooting guard, he just did it less than Bron, but that doesn't take away from his capability to pass the rock.
Imagine not playing much the first seasons and still managed to shoots more than the other guy when he passed you in scoring 😢cut it out ! You have zero arguments you're making yourself look foolish with these biased opinions 😂😂
@@DREAMERSPRO talking about lebron pays your bills... He's your daddy... You can't pay your bills without hating on him 😂😂😂😂😂... You a fuckin 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 😂😂😂😂😂... Grown man gotta hate to pay his bills 😂😂😂😂😂
A head to head record has to do with how the rest of the team was constructed. Look at them playing 1 on 1 vs each other. For example the game where the Lakers played the Heat in Miami March 2013. Kobe KILLED both Wade and LeBron. Neither one of them could stop Kobe. The Lakers had Mike (No D) Antoni as coach and 40yr old Nash at point guard. The Lakers lost that game, but Kobe was BALLIN!! At the end of the game Wade ran up to Kobe to give him major props because Kobe was killing Wade and Lebron. The Heat put like 4 different guys on Kobe that game, but no one could stop him. That's just one example of many. LeBron's advantage is a Tank of a body. Kobe's advantage is skill and mindset. LeBron is the worst at making clutch free throws in games. That's why the Lakers lost Gm1 of the 2023 West Finals. LeBron for his level should not be a choke at the free throw line in clutch moments. I'm a Lakers fan. I've never seen Magic, Kobe, Jordan miss free throws consistently like LeBron. LBJ is not as mentally strong as Kobe. LBJ has no post game. He has a big body and does not dominate in the post. Why, he's not as skilled as Kobe. Period. I hope LBJ won't choke at the free throw line again in next years playoffs.
Game winners are irrelevant if you don't need a game winner. Besides LBJ is scared to take most game winning shots. LBJ admitted that he did not have a killer instinct. He wasn't born with it. It shows in games like Gm 1 of the 2023 West Finals. I was thinking that LBJ threw that game on purpose. Gm 2 missing a breakaway dunk, and a reverse layup in crunch time. There's a mentality that LBJ is lacking compared to Kobe. In the playoffs Kobe didn't choke at the free throw line, and did not miss breakaway dunks etc. PERIOD.
Charles this has got to be one of the most accurate takedowns of LeBron I've ever heard! You're actually changing my mind slowly over LeBron vs Kobe. Fav points: - Guarding a 4 or 5 for 1-2 possessions does not mean you can guard 1-5 - LeBron was the sole reason he himself never 3-peated.
I respect you all trying to put Lebron and Kobe debate to take away from the goat debate. This will never rise to the masses, because objectively it is absurd. Lebron is simply better.
Kobe had a legacy that adds value to the franchise he played with, the league and the sport. And also Redeem Team was lead by Kobe, not Bron. Bron is the opposite, about to bring NBA to irrelevance.
Kobe a more versatile defender???? Give me some of what you're smoking. Kobe does one thing better than Lebron on defense, and that is on ball coverage. Lebron is better at covering the passing lanes, and Lebron is better at protecting the rim as well, which Kobe does not do. I've seen Kobe chase down a block maybe a hand ful of times. And I've NEVER seen Kobe block aa dunk from the front, he got out of the way every time.
Facts Bro these clowns look at his all defensive team achievements and don’t realize it’s literally overrated if you look at the true statistics behind it 💯
Kobe was a great passer. It's when he wanted to pass or not. Kobe got plenty of crazy assist highlight to Shaq alone. Kobe knew his gift was in scoring and relying on himself then others lol
Scoring more points or being a better scorer just isn’t enough to say one player is better than another that’s too elementary. Judging who’s a better player should be determined by who did more for the game and who brought the best out of their teammates and ultimately success.
I was born in ‘96 so for me it’s really hard to choose between Kobe and Bron….as a diehard spurs fan I saw my fair share of both growing up….it’s just too hard to choose. Two hall of famers…two LEGENDS🐐🐐
Ok it's not Bron fault that he is basically an Iron man compared to Kobe who got hurt...Lebron came into the league ballin' and has kept goin' up until now...Y'all mfs are just haters
Kobes last 3 years was not the same with the injury he suffered but kobe by far was way better than lebron if kobe never would have gotten hurt his ppg would be much highers than lebron
Finally, someone gets it, stats don't tell the WHOLE story. This is my concern with history, people will resort to stats to create false narratives. The eye test and the "little things" are key. I am neither a Kobe Bryant nor a LeBron fan but rather a Lakers fan. To me Kobe has my respect though, his mentality, tenacity and work ethic was unmatched. Certain players know that stats are key to trying to solidify their legacy (brand), so they stat pad their games and lose many of them to accomplish this selfish task. Two way players will always be better than those one sided offensive players in my book.
I never got into all the pick a side with sports, politics, or really anything. Its gotta be tiring constantly arguing. Lol. I literally got to see Kobe and lebron play almost every game. Those two are really the reason I became a huge nba fan. I personally feel because of them and a few others, my generation of basketball will go down as the best ever. I can't really take anyone serious who hate on either of these dudes. How can you watch them play and not just be amazed. Kobe is my goat, but goat take is just a personal opinion. Don't take it so serious. Just have yours and relax. But lebron us right behind him to me. But with all that said, can't believe I'll be seeing lebrons reign come to an end soon. Kobes was emotional for me
I don't think most people hate Lebron. I think most people hate the way a lot of people want to force the idea that Lebron is no doubt better than all other players. You can't even disagree without it being a problem
@@SonicBoomC98 that doesn't bother me. You have those with every player. Lebron way more obviously, but same with Jordan and kobe. Thats when its not even worth talking or debating ball. Thats just annoying
@@BenjiDurand I've never seen it to this level with any other player. I saw it a little with Kobe. With LeBron it's constant. Most people who think it's someone other than LeBron don't don't spend near the time and energy constantly putting out content hyping their guy, and I've never seen the media year after years obsessed with the idea that a player has and needs to win. It's almost like they think he is just entitled to something
Lebron holds most turnover record in nba history playoffs and regular season!!i send u stats on instagram bro its alot more gd bout kobe and bad bout lebron you missing brother!!
Whenever it comes to load management, you always say the best ability is availability. However, you’re defending Kobe’s averages by excusing his lack of availability and health in the later stages of his career. You act like LeBron never having an injury is something we should hold against him. Yes, Kobe was a more dynamic scorer than LeBron because he was far better at 3s, midrange, FTs, and overall took more difficult shots. However, something has to be said for LeBron scoring more on average for a longer period. At the end of the day, it matters who puts up more points with better efficiency, and LeBron does both better than Kobe. He even has higher 3PT % and FG %, and has the most points in NBA history. You’re dismissing this argument far too easily
For y’all keep mentioning shaq y’all do realize that shaq was in the league 4 years prior to Kobe getting drafted you also realize that when shaq went to the lakers Kobe was on the bench the first 2 seasons, shaq had 6 or 7 seasons of being the main guy and never won a ring . Shaq didn’t win a ring until Kobe entered the starting lineup in year 3. Shaq needed Kobe to win, Kobe didn’t need shaq. Kobe won and went to more finals without shaq than shaq did without Kobe. Also Kobe winning with gasol is equivalent to lebron winning with just bosh, K love, without kyrie or Wade on the team Kobe overall has won with less talent on his team and has faced overall tougher competition. Lebron made it to 9 finals in the east because the east was weak that’s why when he got to the finals and played the western conference team it was a different story 3-6
When Kobe and lebron was on the Olympic team who was the alpha dog Kobe who lead example Kobe who was they talking about in the redeem team documentary Kobe
Even Kobe would be ashamed of this type of meat riding. Let's be completely honest, you can make your argument, I actually don't care about it that much, but saying that Kobe and LeBron are not comparable in terms of scoring? Like, it's not close??? Come on man, even you need to accept that's outrageous lol. Now, you can say Kobe is better, that's perfectly fine with me, but not even giving LeBron the benefit of the comparison is some hating ass sh*t, no cap lol.
Man U are absolutely spot on. Everything you said about the Kobe vs. Lebron debate is what I’ve been saying for years. Finally nice to see someone else that gets it. 👍🏽
Kobe had multiple bad series .. especially after being up 3-1 . He has less championships than Kobe cause Kobe had the most Dominant player in his prime on his team . That was the dumbest question 😂😂🤦🏿♂️
So Kobe, Odom, Kwame, Smush, Mihm, Walton, George Lakers were "supposed to beat" the clearly better Bash, Diaw, Marion, Barbosa, Raja Suns? Excluding Odom, Kobe carried Lottery team to 45 wins and 3-4 vs. the Suns
@@JuwanTaylor-jz5zr u not boutta have me argue bout who is better or bron . Because the inky to players I will concede too are Kobe & Mike.. all I’m saying is keep the same energy when it come to other players as well …
I been listening to your podcast fr over a year and I will say 80% of your pod is talking LeBron vs Jordan, LeBron vs Kobe, LeBron vs stats, LeBron vs The NBA. I understand everyone in this atmosphere need to play good/bad, ying/yang towards certain athletes to keep certain people listening. I rarely heard you speak on any other players in nba. It's getting redundant for you to keep LeBron relevant in his 20th season and continues to be a top 10 player. I haven't heard one positive word about LeBron unless it's followed up by sarcasm with a slight shot at LBJ. Are you doing now? Yes. Their are younger players who you can mention as well. Over the past 20 years I am willing to bet LeBron name has been everyday of the news media. Not even Jordan didn't receive this much criticism,not until now after MJ retired, but dam man who will be you all next target
Look at the olympics and how Kobe had to come and save them boys. History speaks for itself.
@xavicastorena4739 : Kobe lead them in both 04 & 08'. Bron definitely was No Rookie in 08'.
@@xavicastorena4739 reasons
@@xavicastorena4739 the problem is that there are some chumps in the media that try and make you believe at no point that Kobe was the best player in the League while Lebron was playing...or that Lebron was the best player basically since making the playoffs in 2005-2006...
Lepussy lead team is only 🇺🇸 bronze LOL
The fact that you are using the Olympics to prove who’s better is mind boggling 😂😂
5-2 with less help against more overall odds > 4-6 with more help against lesser overall odds
LOL less help. He was 2nd fiddle 3 out of 5 rings.
3-6. The bubble champions don't count. The entire world was in peril.
You're the biggest lebron hater
@@musicum22if he has taken an L in that 2020 finals , would y’all have said it didn’t count ?
@justbranden7875 lol that's a good point. I'm a laker fan I count that ring. I understand the circumstances and it may have been easier to some extent but many teams played, one team won. Go Lakers
KOBE - The Basketball Community and People’s Champ
Lebron - ESPN, Shannon and Nick’s Champ
*Case closed…the PEOPLE have spoken
I COMPLETELY agree.
U do know LBJ IS LIKE 22-8 is against Kobe going’s head to head
@@2123lotto Doesn’t mean nothing. Too many factors involved and I’m very sure they didn’t guard each other one on one the entire game. Stop reaching. The people have spoken!!!
💯💯💯💯 facts
@@2123lotto means absolutely NOTHING
People don’t understand that Kobe was the better player in the last Kobe-Shaq championship. Lakers chose to keep Kobe and trade Shaq. Shaq gets the most credit for the 3 rings because he was established on the Lakers and in the NBA before Kobe. Bean has always been the closer on those teams, so all that “Shaq carried Kobe” nonsense is silly
Check the stats of their first finals appearance together and then talk
Take Shaq off that team. How many finals do they make it to? 0. Take Kobe off that team. How many trips do they make to the finals? At the very least, 1. Cut that Kobe more important than Shaq shit off.
@@princeomari7
Check their stats against the "Dynastic" Spurs during the 2000s playoffs 🤷🤷🤷
@@princeomari7 Check the Western conference matchups vs the spurs
Shaquille O'Neal averaged 22.4 points, 12.8 rebounds and 2.8 blocks in 30 games in the playoffs versus Tim Duncan in his career.
Tim Duncan averaged 25.6 points, 13.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 30 games in the playoffs versus Shaquille O'Neal in his career.
So Tim Duncan outplayed shaq in the majority of every category
Kobe Bryant averaged 28.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 30 games in the playoffs versus Tim Duncan or Duncan Robinson in his career.
Kobe was the best player vs the best defensive team (Spurs) and in the 00s kobe has beat Duncan 4-1 (01,02,04,08)
of course shaq had inflated numbers in the finals the eastern conference team was a free lunch
I'm so glad I found you on my phone. You make more sense. You Tell it like it is
Mic Drop!!! I'm a 41 yr old man from So Cal. Grew up watching Showtime Lakers all the way up to Kobe. The Mamba was special man. He was our Jordan. Poetry in motion. Number 8 or 24. Bron is great, no doubt but I've always felt that those who really know hoop always knew that Kob is/was the better player. Most players past and present pick Kob over Lebron. I just wish we could have gotten that Kob Bron Finals match up. The Mamba really would have showed out. Dope content bruh!!!
Bro we all wanted that. But I don't think the league wanted it. Because they knew Kobe would have embarrassed the new chosen one.
@@crharper25 I feel that.
Kobe all the way I was always trying 2 keep up with him thru my t.v. when he was healthy he was a killer plain n simple I wore number 8 when I played ball cuz Kobe I've watched lebron was nvr impressed there was few plays when he chased down n blocked the ball on a fast break I was like dang that's kool but all in all lebron comes off the bench n Kobe starts sry lebron fans if Kobe wouldn't have been injury prone his career wud be even more great dude made clutch free throws with a broke Achilles tendon come on now there shud be no debate unfortunately it has 2 b like dis cuz media ppl are trying 2 fill their pockets cuz they are affiliated with bron somehow who was there for Kobe I wanna know he let his play do the talking
I did the math some time ago. During his 15 seasons where he was healthy and allowed to play, Kobe averaged 27.8 or 27.9 points. That would have been the 3rd highest ppg of all-time. When you factor in that Kobe played in the dead ball era, he is unequivocally one of the 5 greatest scorers of all-time, and firmly ahead LeBron.
i dont wanna hear that when he was healthy that's a part of it stay healthy
@IENetworkTV It matters when we're talking about who the better scorer is. Kobe was firmly the better scorer than LeBron. LeBron may have sustained a consistently high level of scoring, but when we're asking who the better scorer is, we're asking who is the best at coming onto the court and getting you a bucket, not who avoided injuries and scored more points over an entire career.
Kobe scoring 27.8ppg during his prime, before injury, during an Era where the pace and scoring is the lowest in NBA history, shows that Kobe was the better scorer.
@@sandman1008so basically what you’re saying is that if you take away Kobe’s bad years he would pretty much be equal to Lebron as far as scoring. 27.8 is not that different than 27.0.
@jaydot4956 Well, LeBron is a great scorer. There's no doubt about that. But Kobe was better. That's without question. Plus, as I've said multiple times, Kobe's prime was in the dead ball era, the lowest scoring era in NBA history. If we were to adjust his scoring to the pace of the 2010s and especially the 2020s, those stats I mentioned previously would be close to 30ppg, if not more. Context matters.
LOL lebron was also scoring 30 a game during the dead ball era as well, also lebron fans dont need to cut out 5 years of his career like kobe fans do, try again
As much as people bring up Shaq and Gasol/Odom you cant deny that Kobe has never asked for so much help as LeBron does. LeBron’s whole career is based on needing help.
Kobe asked for a trade
Why would you being Carried by a top 10 player all time for 3 rings. Then giving up nothing to get all nba player gasol and he tried to stack the deck wit Payton n Malone and he even tried again with Dwight n nash smh. Are you 11 or something?
@@Allwegottt thank you
@@Allwegottt lmao counting Peyton,Malone, and Nash as stacking the deck considering all of them were well past their prime is hilarious. That’s like counting Dwight, Shaq, Rondo, Melo, Shawn Marrion, and Ben Wallace as stacking the deck for LeBron. Do you really wanna go player for player? Like I said Kobe never demanded as much help as LeBron did and that’s just facts Bud.
@@jblack530 drop the 🎤
Ahh, man..Everytime I hear Kobe's name, I cry😢
Still feels unreal that he's no longer with us.
Miss you, Kobe Bean Bryant. Gone but not forgotten. Always in our hearts ❤🙏🏾
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@@tomspencer4371 yummy...love ice cream 🍦 😋. Thank you!🤨
Gotta give Kobe his due….No “Redeem Team” Gold without him. Kobe was the Alpha!
Highest point total in an NBA game that 99.999% actually can see with their own eyes
The 2000’s Kobe was the closest we’ll ever get to see the 2nd coming of Jordan.
Dude was methodical and obsessed with beating his opponents.
Watched both in person up close in their prime and Kobe took things to another level with his intelligence and knowledge of the game without relying on pure athleticism. It was pretty damn impressive!
well not the highest pt total that would be wilt with 100 but yeah ...kobe has been the closest thing to mj; "jordan lite" i call him
I hope you know that lebron was the best player during that 08 olympic run, more points, assists, rebs, higher fg% etc.
What about 12 when lebron led that team during the olympics
@@johncena4096 If you double check, DWade led the team in scoring at 16 ppg, and had better numbers than Lebron in almost every category. But when it came to the Gold Medal Game vs Spain it was Kobe hitting the dagger 4 Point play and DWade doing the scoring in the clutch. Lebron played well too but they don’t win Gold without Kobe being the Mamba in the clutch.
@@johncena4096Kobe changed the standard and culture on how you approach the game. Teaching them work ethics. That’s the reason that Coach K wanted him in the first place. He leads by example. If Kobe didn’t motivate the team as a whole. LeBron, D-Wade, and Carmelo would have approached it the same way when they won bronze and you know dang well that the Mamba was not going to except that type of mentality. Watch the Redeem Team Doc.
Man that was simple. Kobe came and rescued the Lebron led olympic team
LOL this little nugget again. Lebron, Wade, and Carmelo were coming off their rookie years, Lebron himself was only 19 and averaged 11 minutes a game on that team. The captains of that team were Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson, but you NEVER hear that team brought up against tthem.
Also Kobe couldn't have even made the Olympic team at 19, so I don't know why you keep bringing that up.
@@xaviervega468cause if they didn’t recruit Kobe, Bron would be the biggest team UsA loser. As is his his finals record 4-6 is a losing record. Compared for the top 10 players, he has the worst finals record. What an overrated loser
@@xaviervega468steroid
@@xaviervega468 they never mention that
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The main reason why Kobe's ppg average for his career is lower than LeBron's is because of those 1st two years he was in the league, he wasn't just handed the team like LeBron was. They had Shaq, Eddie Jones, Van Exel and Elden Campbell there back then and Del Harris was a bit of a Kobe hater so he was coming off the bench with little playing time. However in his 2nd year he was voted to start the all-star team despite still coming off the bench. Take out those first two years and their scoring averages for their career are virtually the same. The Lakers also didn't start winning Chips until they got rid of all those guys and made them a 1-2 punch.
@athirdwhy9734 So if he was trash then how was he voted a starter for the All-Star game in his 2nd season? Explain that one smh. If they don't hand you the keys like they did LeBron there's only so much you can do and back then they made players out of high school earn it before just giving them the keys to the franchise.
@@itshihoU REALLY ASKED THAT QUESTION. SMH DWL
@athirdwhy9734 kobe averaged 26 PPG in the pre season in 1997
you mean to tell me Iverson who was shorter and less physically gifted somehow was nba ready to play 40 mins a game
but kobe who was picked by the LOGO HIMSELF Jerry West somehow wasn't "good enough" to start ?? and only play 15 mins per game ?
I am amazed at how many of y'all just parrot media talking points instead of using critical thinking and using context
1) Kobe did not start simply because starting nba players was not a thing in the 90s at least not for a guard
2) Del Harris would not count points for kobe in practice if he did flashy moves
3) Lakers already had veteran guards nick van exel and Eddie jones - Del Harris was not going to start a high school kid over nba veterans
kobe started and played well once the lakers got rid of Eddie jones and nick and what do you know they start winning championships when kobe starts imagine that
Very accurate assessment
@@itshihobecause dude has limited basketball knowledge and or he was looking at stats because he never saw the reg season games of the Lakers back then....
If Kobe had not been traded on draft night and had played for Charlotte he would have averaged 20+ pts....Second yr. Kobe would have been 25+ pts gm....He would have started every game and would have had a Green Light to shoot first...
Michael is 1 and Kobe is 1A to me. Kobe was a sensational basketball player. I've been saying this for years now. Prime versus prime, I'm taking Kobe over Lebron any day and twice on Sundays. I never realized what you just said. Kobe scored 81 points in an era where teams averaged 96. Wow!!!
And I'm taking him in any day that ends in a Y !!!
U FOLKS NEED TO STOP THAT SH!+ BOUT 1 AND 1A.
IT'S NOT CLOSE.
MJ IS THE GREATEST. THEN THERE IS EVERYONE ELSE.
PLEASE TELL YT WHAT, WHY KOBE IS 1A
@@xavicastorena4739ow’d Bron do with 5 All Stars in an expanded playoff format again? Oh right, Lakers had a losing record and missed the playoffs 😂. Kobe took a team with Smush Parker to the playoffs twice and almost beat the 2nd seeded 7SOL Nash led Suns. He only needed Pau and it was 3 straight Finals appearances. Bron couldn’t make even make the playoffs with Melo, Rondo, Westbroook, Dwight, and AD. 😂😂😂
Who was the only Lakers team to lose to the Nuggets? Bron.
Go masturbate to his fakeass mixtape or something. He’s only the GOAT of excuses.
LOL Kobetardation at it's finest.
@@xavicastorena4739 😉
Kobe is a far move superior player than LeBum James could ever dream of being!! SMDH
Nothing wrong with saying Kobe is better than Lebron. It's just when you say stuff like "far more superior" 🙄...it's more of an exaggeration lol...No need to over do it.
@@1bengalsfan817it's something wrong when one player is in conversation for goat
I said it once, Imma say it again, "! Far more superior player than LeBum James"!! I'd take the Black Mamba 7 days a week, and twice on Sunday!! Nice try, tho!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@robbie2438Agreed. Kobe was literally phenomenal on BOTH sides of the ball with a helluva work ethic.
@@crharper25Yes indeed, my kind Sir!! 👍
kobe was about mastering the game, bron is about mastering the story
I don't remember Kobe Bryant flopping either
Yeah you right he was getting carried by shaq hence only 2 finals mvps out of 5
@@Aisaac20-t7t+3 >> -2 finals record.
I don’t remember Lebron getting accused of rape either 🤡✌️
@@xavicastorena4739 I don't remember kobe quitting on his team like Bron did quitting on Cleveland twice
@jaylenflanagan1295 lebron failed Cleveland and LA. Kobe better than LeBron. Kobe is the goat 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
When Lebrick was guarded by kobe: 26 points 38%FG
When kobe guarded by Le6nbafinalslosses: 63 points on 50% FG
Kobe fans dont bring this up enough.
Really? I truly didn't know this and I'm a fan of both
Kobe my goat, lebron is my second. Shaq and then Duncan. Can't tell me otherwise
What’s the record in those games? 16-6… Brons way
@@BenjiDurandThe Jordan disrespect though. He's the GOAT, Kobe's number 2.
@@TheReBrandNetworkao you are saying LeBron had the better team. Ok then
To meLebron just got stronger, he never added wrinkles. Kpbe added wrinkles to his game, Post ups, how to guard better, dribbling...played well in multiple systems.
Not to you bro,period.
That's another reason Kobe is a better basketball player than Lebron...He can adapt his game to to multiple philosophies,Lebron can not.
He has played the same way since high school and could never adapt to a different system/style of play.
His offensive game is too limited.
@@brookemcneal147 That just is not true. He had to do this in miami playing under Spoelstra and pat riley. And won 2 chips. Ran his own system in cleveland and LA, won 2 more
@@emoney6163 ...
Lebron played the same way in Miami.
@@brookemcneal147 in what way? In miami he played under spoelstras offensive philosophy versus his post miami career where it was centered around him driving and kicking out to an open shooter. Thats probably the reason his post and mid game hasnt developed in a way that jordans or kobes did
@@brookemcneal147
You're spot on Kobe played in the triangle, seven seconds, post centric and the run and shoot and played like a boss in every scheme
I just watched the 2001 Lakers championship run series on here which I downloaded and watch
In that , Phil and Shaq basically told Kobe he's trying to hard and to take it easy , he didn't and the legend was born
Again Phil altered his triangle offense to have a more mid range game and Kobe didn't complain he did say he didn't get why he is being told not to grind
Also he never complained about any offense he had to learn he just worked hard to master it
That's a true leader and legend
That's why people say Kobe is second
Never heard ANYONE say that about Lebron
Thank you!!! People don’t understand that Kobe in the first 3-peat was just as dominant as Shaq and Kobe didn’t have the gifted talent that Shaq had. Kobe had to work his ass off to be that dominant in the league. And in the 09,10 championships, he only had Pau Gasol who wasn’t even in the TOP 75 as Kobe’s best teammate. He lead a team that were almost near the end of their prime and he even had teammates that other teams didn’t want but he took them all in his wing and fought for those 2 championships like a killer that he really is. Kobe truly deserves to be
Top 3 or even Top 2 in the NBA tier list. Im a Kobe guy too and i can safely say that MJ is untouchable, but Kobe is my personal GOAT because of how he played the game.
Charles favorite topic. Lebron vs……
Lol
It's not as homo erotic as Shannon's videos.
Yes
This segment hurt a lot of delusional hearts
They don't have hearts to begin with.
Lebron did not have a better career than Kobe or Duncan if we only talk basketball. Now if you want to talk about hype and attention surrounding them, then maybe yes. Lebron is not a better scorer than Kobe. I'm not Kobe fan, but he had more skills on the offensive end than Lebron. The pace and scoring were also lower during Kobe's run. I wish people would stop with the Lebron guarding 1-5 BS. Why didn't they put him on Duncan or Joker? Why didn't they put him on Dirk? The 4s and 5s he did play good defense against aren't guys that would be considered Dominant. Playing relatively well against Pau Gasol doesn't mean he can really guard post players. Lebron isn't a scrub, but he is certainly overrated
If you ask nba fans,
Whos the better scorer "kobe" wrong its lebron
Who is a more efficient scorer "kobe" wrong its lebron
Who is a better 3 pt shooter "kobe" wrong its lebron
Who led their teams to more rings" kobe" wrong its lebron
Who has more points all time "kobe" wrong its lebron
My favorite one, Who is more clutch "kobe" wrong its lebron
Yall get my point, just cuz the fans believe something, doesnt make it true
Just because yu think Kobe is a better scorer than Lebron doesn’t mean it is true idc about eye test yu don’t get into the hall of fame because of eye test they gon look at ur stats goofy 🤡just because yu think he overrated doesn’t make it true that’s ur opinion
@@johncena4096 Kobe is the better 3pt shooter and better scorer than lebron fasho 💯💯💯💯
@@jaylenflanagan1295 Kobe is most definitely better scorer than lebron 💯💯💯 that's no debate. Kobe overall better than LEBRON. Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐🐐
To end the debate . Kobe didn’t had a top 75 player when Shaq left to win championships. Lebron had several top 75 players to win championships. 💯🤷🏽♂️
Bro u are the skip bayless of TH-cam
Thank you finally someone with a platform telling the truth
Absolutely
If it wasn't for Kobe Bryant, LeBron would have three consecutive bronze medals
Now post regular szn stats and accolades stop talkin bout medals 🤣🤣🤣
That's rich. Lol. Says a lot by saying very little
@@Aisaac20-t7t No ☺️
They were winning in 2012 with or without Kobe. Kobe himself said those Olympics were basically a vacation for him.
@xaviervega468 and what happens in 2008 without him?
Kobe won 2 rings without having teammates that could score 20 points per game. That's a fact. No disrespect to anyone. Even MJ didn't do that. Kobe has the most 60 point games leading MJ. What's crazy is people overlook those facts. If LA had one against Boston Kobe would have had a 3 peat. I know that's a would no buts about. Lebron is great. Lebron has made a name for himself. Kobe hands down is and was a machine. I got to talk to Kobe and I have to say that he is definitely the greatest basketball player to me. It was crazy that my baby sitter was actually friends with him. Yes I mean friends. When he entered the league I was about 7 and my baby sitter happened to be a rapper that was friends with people he knew. I'm so grateful for that experience.
What are you talking about Pippen career avg. is 16.1, no other bull avg no where near that look it up, thats why MJ the goat cause he did it first.
Like you said, you have to literally watch the games. Ive been watching bball since the last Lakers 3 peat. Lebron throughout the years has gotten lucky because of how soft the NBA has gotten while he is aging. Teams aren't playing defense like they used to, scoring averages keep going up. Lets not forget about stat padding. I used to watch lebron steal rebounds from chris bosh. He holds the ball for 20 seconds to get the perfect assist. I've watched kobe pass the ball with his teammates not knowing what to do with it and pass it back to him with 2 seconds left on the shot clock, all the time. Lebrons chase down blocks doesn't make him an elite defender lol. The guy literally rests on defense. Context is key. Watch some old games. Lebron would stay in games late just to stat pad. Meanwhile kobe scores 63 in 3 quarters and sits out the 4th.
Cannot agree more. STOP looking at stats and START watching the actual games, LBJ worshipping media !!!
Great comment. I keep saying “context matters”.
Some even try to argue "I'd rather have great help defense than great on-ball defense" in order to excuse LeBron.
LeBron and Kobe played in the same era buddy.
@@chrisb7831 Kobe played from 96 to 2016. Lebron was drafted in 2003 and is still playing. What the hell are you talking about?
I’m sorry but you can’t argue tougher era when Lebron and Kobe played 13 seasons together
LeBron was on the 2004 Olympic team... Enough said!
Kobe is the goat 🐐🐐🐐. Kobe better than lebron fasho 💯💯💯
Who requested a bash video? No one wanna hear a one sided argument
Man it’s MJ and Kobe you can’t tell me nothing else
14:41 Lebum can't even guard Kawhi who is almost 2 inches smaller then him.
Why they always left Kobe out from the GOAT debate? Have they (ESPN, ex.) not tried to discuss this?!
Ever since Kobe passed these 🤡 got the courage to say the most crazy ish about him they would've never said while he was alive.
Everything you’re speaking is pure FACTS!!!
@@xavicastorena4739 It’s funny cause I see you constantly bashing Kobe in multiple comments on multiple videos. If you disagree with everything Why are you here??? This is a channel for mostly Kobe fans. I understand that everyone has their own opinion but you’re going ALL OUT to diminish Kobe’s legacy. I’m not going to go on a Lebron channel and constantly bash him. I think you’re really a Kobe fan deep down inside 😆. Come and join us we have plenty of room 😆😆😆
You have context only for kobe
Nah there's enough context for Bron too but you're not gonna listen. So just don't start.
@@doktor3196🤡😊
Kobe scored the 2nd most points ever in a decade, IN the lowest scoring decade of the NBA... LMFFFAAAOOO
Kobe is a more skilled scorer but LeBron is more efficient because he plays bully ball at the rim with his physique. Kobe had more moves, better footwork, hot spots you had to stop him from getting to, and his shooting motion was smoother and more consistent. It all comes down to what you respect more. Stats, or skill.
Kobe also had far worse shot selection. That's why he shot worse from the 3 pt line despite having better shooting mechanics.
This is a fair assessment.
@xaviervega468 he also had defenses geared toward just stopping him after shaq left so the majority of the time he had to take &make those shots against double teams...when you're starting a game with luke walton chris mihm kwame brown and jordan farmar you would shoot it instead of passing too
How is being 4-6 more efficient?
PER is made up bullshit
Kobe didn't have to jump teams like a lil B to win chips. All I hear is Shaq carried Kobe, but did Shaq win a chip before Kobe 🤔? Shaq made it clear himself, just like MJ did with Pippen. 3peat, 3 chips don't come without Kobe. At least D. Wade won a chip before Lebron's ass. Lebron didn't win JS and was getting his ass whooped left to right, until he teamed up with Wade and Bosh. It's the same story in the Olympics. Lebron didn't win JS until Kobe stepped foot in the picture. Lebixxhes Report had that poll between Kobe and Lebron and the votes were neck to neck. Them clowns honestly thought Lebron was gonna 💨 Kobe. However, every poll out there between MJ and Lebron. MJ always 💨 Lehype 😂
Shaq said ON CAMERA IN 2001 that Kobe was the best player in the league 😂
Here's another fun fact: Kobe was the best high school player and best player in his draft. Throughout his whole career Kobe was the best 4th quarter scorer for the regular and postseason.
LeBron has been the NBAs ALL TIME TURNOVER LEADER FOR YEARS BUT ITS NEVER MENTIONED‼️
because then you would have to mention he's top 5 all time turnover to assist ratio
@@NoSpinster0909all that shows is that he always needed an elite coach but was nowhere near coachable
@@xavicastorena4739that’s because LeBron played longer and gets most of his points off dunks and layups (shots within 3 feet of the basket). Context matters.
@@xavicastorena4739and where does Lebron sit on that list? 🤔🤔🤔
@@xavicastorena4739 and Lebron is second.
It’s media driven, the MJ to Lebron debate. I’ve always said, “Bron hasn’t passed Kobe.” So you can’t have that debate. MJ was god like. And to have to follow that act, carrying basketball on your shoulders in the toughest era, hated by the media, dealing with the Shaq stuff, the western conference… gotta put some respect on his name. Some people think he’s not even the greatest Laker. What??? Lol
Kobe Is The Goat ❤ Latinos Love KB ❤
Not the GOAT, but better than Lebron
You're really out working yourself by breaking down Kobe's years. I was never a fan of him, but, he was a way better player than LeBron by far. I don't worry about stats much. Eye test is what I mostly judge a player on. And that is one of the many reasons I don't have LeBron in my top ten
Likewise. What's your top 10? Here's mine....MJ, Kareem, Wilt, Magic, Bird, Duncan, Kobe, Hakeem, Shaq, Russell.
Lebron and Kobe are both top 10. There is no objective standard that keeps either one out.
You preaching the gospel bro I don’t comment on much of anything but you and I have it the same not in my top ten either
If most of ur channel is praising Kobe and scrutinizing lebron then what do u expect most of ur subs to think
From a LA person who is both a Kobe and Lebron fan, context matters. Kobe's first coach was biased against high schoolers and age 18 Kobe joined a playoff team with Shaq, Van Exel, Eddie Jones. The coach should have started age 19 Kobe his second season but would not. Western Conference was the clearly best from 1998-99 to 2010-11 Season (9 > 3 chips, more 50+ win Teams). Nor can you deny that that the 1998-99 to 2010-11 Season was a Dead Ball Era with lower NBA Pace & PPG.
One undeniable thing to celebrate about LeBron is his physical maintenance to perform at a high level to age 38
Preach on MY BROTHA....... PRAISE GOD 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Man I sure do appreciate you keeping the truth about the Black Mambas greatness alive brother!
I agree with you 💯, I'm a die hard kobe fan and jordan is the standard
"If you want to have fun like I did with Bill Walton, play with LeBron. It would have probably been more fun to play with LeBron, but if you want to win and win and win, it's Kobe. Not that LeBron's not a winner, just that [Kobe's] mindset is to go into every practice, every game, to get better."
Larry Bird (Interview with Bill Simmons) WILL STARJACKIOCT 18, 2020 Basketball Network
Do Kobe and KD this obsession with LeBron is getting weird
Lol fr he talks about the same thing everyday
dudes becoming skip 😂
Right? Most people got Duncan over Kobe but I barely see him do Duncan vs Kobe
@taysonjatum2209 don't play Kobe over Timmy. Duncan never won back 2 back
@@anthonys9892 Duncan 3X Finals MVP and 2X MVP. He was also easier to play with compared to Kobe.
They would be lucky if they last 3 years together, Lakers would trade Lebron for draft picks to get his sorry ass off the team for some real talent! Kobe#1
FREAKIN INCREDIBLE BREAKDOWN OF THE TRUTH!!! Let it be known!! There’s no argument for what you just said! None at all!!
Kobe gonna do what Kobe gonna do, but he was not even close to being the greatest shooter of all time. While taking the 4th most shot attempts in NBA history he averaged 44.7% which ranks him as 40th of the top 50 scorers of all time. Better luck with your stats and facts next time Carlton Banks aka Alfonso Ribeiro.
Aye Charles we start bringing up if Kobe has the most misses then guess who's second? Ion like that argument when people bring it up. LeBron is second all time in misses and I believe he's 1st all time in turnovers too
He’s already got the most misses in the playoffs and will soon own the most misses in regular season 💯
Great video brother! ✌️
No where neeeeeeeear close!!! Facts! Completely different skill sets. Completely different mindsets. Their approach to the game is what separates them in my opinion. One was built in the mold of other conquerors, obsessed with dominating and imposing ones will over an opponent. While the other reminds one of a petulant child prodigy enamored with his own greatness……..
This is the best differentiation I’ve seen. It’s spot on👍🏻👍🏻
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As a Star Wars fan Kobe is Obi wan Kenobi and LeBron is Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader
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Ignoring eye-test is like saying Harden doesnt choke with those stat padding numbers
Players who were the 2nd best player on a championship team was:very important to the success. That goes for all teams.
Yet you always see LeBron FANS say shaq carried Kobe when Kobe did very important part.
They are very importannt. Kobe was not carried by any stretch. But at the same time, it simply does not carry the same weight as being the #1 guy, and way too many Kobe fans refuse to acknowledge this.
@@xaviervega468lebron wasn’t the leader of his Miami titles and none of bronanites ever mention that
They never mention shaq never won a ring before kobe though
@@divanhawkins2539 Kobe never won a ring before Shaq so
@reasedogable lmao kobe didnt play a game in the nba before shaq was on his team dumbass
Kobe was an underrated passer. Because he was a shooting guard, he just did it less than Bron, but that doesn't take away from his capability to pass the rock.
10:25 don’t forget the fact that Kobe had a 60 point game….IN 3 QUARTERS. 😂😂😂😂
More than three times.
Imagine not playing much the first seasons and still managed to shoots more than the other guy when he passed you in scoring 😢cut it out ! You have zero arguments you're making yourself look foolish with these biased opinions 😂😂
I really enjoy this channel.
I appreciate that!
@@DREAMERSPRO talking about lebron pays your bills... He's your daddy... You can't pay your bills without hating on him 😂😂😂😂😂... You a fuckin 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 😂😂😂😂😂... Grown man gotta hate to pay his bills 😂😂😂😂😂
@@DREAMERSPRO4 Finals MVP is better than 2. A finals MVP is the highest achievement any basketball player can win.
@Dolo4Sure with more help, it is possible.
@@Dolo4Sure6 Finals L's against 2 Finals L's 🤡🤡🤡
Not a dreamerspro episode until he says “twerkin’ it up” 😂
I love you podcast. You are right about what you said.Facts are facts
Don't mention 'defense' around Lebron stans, they'll look confused and pretend like they don't know what it is.
Why this fool don’t talk about the fact Kobe has only 1 game winner in the playoffs and that lebron has a 16-6 record against him ?
A head to head record has to do with how the rest of the team was constructed. Look at them playing 1 on 1 vs each other. For example the game where the Lakers played the Heat in Miami March 2013. Kobe KILLED both Wade and LeBron. Neither one of them could stop Kobe. The Lakers had Mike (No D) Antoni as coach and 40yr old Nash at point guard. The Lakers lost that game, but Kobe was BALLIN!! At the end of the game Wade ran up to Kobe to give him major props because Kobe was killing Wade and Lebron. The Heat put like 4 different guys on Kobe that game, but no one could stop him. That's just one example of many. LeBron's advantage is a Tank of a body. Kobe's advantage is skill and mindset. LeBron is the worst at making clutch free throws in games. That's why the Lakers lost Gm1 of the 2023 West Finals. LeBron for his level should not be a choke at the free throw line in clutch moments. I'm a Lakers fan. I've never seen Magic, Kobe, Jordan miss free throws consistently like LeBron. LBJ is not as mentally strong as Kobe. LBJ has no post game. He has a big body and does not dominate in the post. Why, he's not as skilled as Kobe. Period. I hope LBJ won't choke at the free throw line again in next years playoffs.
What about it? Kobe killed teams in the 4th that's why there's not much in contention in the final seconds.
@@delconagher12 No he simply missed a lot of game winners
can we move on mj bron got all the advance stats awards and rankings
Game winners are irrelevant if you don't need a game winner. Besides LBJ is scared to take most game winning shots. LBJ admitted that he did not have a killer instinct. He wasn't born with it. It shows in games like Gm 1 of the 2023 West Finals. I was thinking that LBJ threw that game on purpose. Gm 2 missing a breakaway dunk, and a reverse layup in crunch time. There's a mentality that LBJ is lacking compared to Kobe. In the playoffs Kobe didn't choke at the free throw line, and did not miss breakaway dunks etc. PERIOD.
YES BROTHER ALL 🙌 FACTS ! THANKS GIVING K B B HIS FULL SUPPORT
Charles this has got to be one of the most accurate takedowns of LeBron I've ever heard! You're actually changing my mind slowly over LeBron vs Kobe.
Fav points:
- Guarding a 4 or 5 for 1-2 possessions does not mean you can guard 1-5
- LeBron was the sole reason he himself never 3-peated.
I respect you all trying to put Lebron and Kobe debate to take away from the goat debate. This will never rise to the masses, because objectively it is absurd. Lebron is simply better.
Yeah Lebron is the GOAT.
Going
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@@OG-19 He ia NOT the GOAT. That is is firmly Jordan. But he is over Kobe for certain. Just about every objective standard says so.
@@xaviervega468 It was a joke. MJ all day. The real GOAT.
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID ONPOINT I LOVE YOUR VERSION OF SAYING STATS IS TO SUPPORT CONTEXT
What did Lebron average his first year and his second year?
straight out of high school 20 next season 27
EXACTLY BRO 💯
Kobe had a legacy that adds value to the franchise he played with, the league and the sport. And also Redeem Team was lead by Kobe, not Bron. Bron is the opposite, about to bring NBA to irrelevance.
Kobe competed against his 96 draft class
Lebron joined his 2003 draft class in his prime
Case closed
Boom head shot!
lol we know who like Kobe, this argument made no sense lol
I automatically hit the like because I know it will be a fantastic show
Kobe a more versatile defender???? Give me some of what you're smoking. Kobe does one thing better than Lebron on defense, and that is on ball coverage. Lebron is better at covering the passing lanes, and Lebron is better at protecting the rim as well, which Kobe does not do. I've seen Kobe chase down a block maybe a hand ful of times. And I've NEVER seen Kobe block aa dunk from the front, he got out of the way every time.
Facts Bro these clowns look at his all defensive team achievements and don’t realize it’s literally overrated if you look at the true statistics behind it 💯
Kobe was a great passer. It's when he wanted to pass or not. Kobe got plenty of crazy assist highlight to Shaq alone. Kobe knew his gift was in scoring and relying on himself then others lol
Straight facts!!!
Scoring more points or being a better scorer just isn’t enough to say one player is better than another that’s too elementary. Judging who’s a better player should be determined by who did more for the game and who brought the best out of their teammates and ultimately success.
Lebron fans must think Emmitt Smith is the greatest RB of all time as well.
I was born in ‘96 so for me it’s really hard to choose between Kobe and Bron….as a diehard spurs fan I saw my fair share of both growing up….it’s just too hard to choose. Two hall of famers…two LEGENDS🐐🐐
Keep the good work Charles,"Spread the gospel".
100% Kobe. Klutch Sports needs more bots.
you def talk about the same shit now bro u use to report on new shit but you keep tryna make yo point that kobe better than bro and he’s not
Ok it's not Bron fault that he is basically an Iron man compared to Kobe who got hurt...Lebron came into the league ballin' and has kept goin' up until now...Y'all mfs are just haters
Kobes last 3 years was not the same with the injury he suffered but kobe by far was way better than lebron if kobe never would have gotten hurt his ppg would be much highers than lebron
True
Finally, someone gets it, stats don't tell the WHOLE story. This is my concern with history, people will resort to stats to create false narratives. The eye test and the "little things" are key. I am neither a Kobe Bryant nor a LeBron fan but rather a Lakers fan. To me Kobe has my respect though, his mentality, tenacity and work ethic was unmatched. Certain players know that stats are key to trying to solidify their legacy (brand), so they stat pad their games and lose many of them to accomplish this selfish task. Two way players will always be better than those one sided offensive players in my book.
Move on to another discussion this has gotten way old
Kobe fan stay BEGGING. The masses don’t think Kobe is better then Jordan or Lebron, get over it.
I never got into all the pick a side with sports, politics, or really anything. Its gotta be tiring constantly arguing. Lol. I literally got to see Kobe and lebron play almost every game. Those two are really the reason I became a huge nba fan. I personally feel because of them and a few others, my generation of basketball will go down as the best ever. I can't really take anyone serious who hate on either of these dudes. How can you watch them play and not just be amazed. Kobe is my goat, but goat take is just a personal opinion. Don't take it so serious. Just have yours and relax. But lebron us right behind him to me. But with all that said, can't believe I'll be seeing lebrons reign come to an end soon. Kobes was emotional for me
I don't think most people hate Lebron. I think most people hate the way a lot of people want to force the idea that Lebron is no doubt better than all other players. You can't even disagree without it being a problem
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@@SonicBoomC98 that doesn't bother me. You have those with every player. Lebron way more obviously, but same with Jordan and kobe. Thats when its not even worth talking or debating ball. Thats just annoying
@@BenjiDurand I've never seen it to this level with any other player. I saw it a little with Kobe. With LeBron it's constant. Most people who think it's someone other than LeBron don't don't spend near the time and energy constantly putting out content hyping their guy, and I've never seen the media year after years obsessed with the idea that a player has and needs to win. It's almost like they think he is just entitled to something
@@SonicBoomC98 i get that. Thats just the click bait though. The msm knows lebron will generate clicks. The people though, don't let them get to ya.
It's so refreshing to hear a different take .. thanks !!
Lebron holds most turnover record in nba history playoffs and regular season!!i send u stats on instagram bro its alot more gd bout kobe and bad bout lebron you missing brother!!
Whenever it comes to load management, you always say the best ability is availability. However, you’re defending Kobe’s averages by excusing his lack of availability and health in the later stages of his career. You act like LeBron never having an injury is something we should hold against him. Yes, Kobe was a more dynamic scorer than LeBron because he was far better at 3s, midrange, FTs, and overall took more difficult shots. However, something has to be said for LeBron scoring more on average for a longer period. At the end of the day, it matters who puts up more points with better efficiency, and LeBron does both better than Kobe. He even has higher 3PT % and FG %, and has the most points in NBA history. You’re dismissing this argument far too easily
Great points bro but it doesn't fit his narrative to make this many video shows insecurity
Kobe bean Bryant
For y’all keep mentioning shaq y’all do realize that shaq was in the league 4 years prior to Kobe getting drafted you also realize that when shaq went to the lakers Kobe was on the bench the first 2 seasons, shaq had 6 or 7 seasons of being the main guy and never won a ring . Shaq didn’t win a ring until Kobe entered the starting lineup in year 3. Shaq needed Kobe to win, Kobe didn’t need shaq. Kobe won and went to more finals without shaq than shaq did without Kobe. Also Kobe winning with gasol is equivalent to lebron winning with just bosh, K love, without kyrie or Wade on the team Kobe overall has won with less talent on his team and has faced overall tougher competition. Lebron made it to 9 finals in the east because the east was weak that’s why when he got to the finals and played the western conference team it was a different story 3-6
When Kobe and lebron was on the Olympic team who was the alpha dog Kobe who lead example Kobe who was they talking about in the redeem team documentary Kobe
I'm a new fan of yours... Such an excellent video...
Even Kobe would be ashamed of this type of meat riding. Let's be completely honest, you can make your argument, I actually don't care about it that much, but saying that Kobe and LeBron are not comparable in terms of scoring? Like, it's not close??? Come on man, even you need to accept that's outrageous lol. Now, you can say Kobe is better, that's perfectly fine with me, but not even giving LeBron the benefit of the comparison is some hating ass sh*t, no cap lol.
Outside of 3ft from the basket lebron averages like 18%... So please tell us how he compares to Kobe's scoring abilities.
@@differentsame9402 You making up stats gtfoh dumbass
Man U are absolutely spot on. Everything you said about the Kobe vs. Lebron debate is what I’ve been saying for years. Finally nice to see someone else that gets it. 👍🏽
Kobe had multiple bad series .. especially after being up 3-1 . He has less championships than Kobe cause Kobe had the most Dominant player in his prime on his team . That was the dumbest question 😂😂🤦🏿♂️
So Kobe, Odom, Kwame, Smush, Mihm, Walton, George Lakers were "supposed to beat" the clearly better Bash, Diaw, Marion, Barbosa, Raja Suns? Excluding Odom, Kobe carried Lottery team to 45 wins and 3-4 vs. the Suns
Lebron played with Shaq to and Bron played on multiple superteams n still choked lost 6 finals. Kobe better than LeBron fasho
Lebron failed both LA and Cleveland. Kobe better than LeBron
@@JuwanTaylor-jz5zr u not boutta have me argue bout who is better or bron . Because the inky to players I will concede too are Kobe & Mike.. all I’m saying is keep the same energy when it come to other players as well …
I been listening to your podcast fr over a year and I will say 80% of your pod is talking LeBron vs Jordan, LeBron vs Kobe, LeBron vs stats, LeBron vs The NBA. I understand everyone in this atmosphere need to play good/bad, ying/yang towards certain athletes to keep certain people listening. I rarely heard you speak on any other players in nba. It's getting redundant for you to keep LeBron relevant in his 20th season and continues to be a top 10 player. I haven't heard one positive word about LeBron unless it's followed up by sarcasm with a slight shot at LBJ. Are you doing now? Yes. Their are younger players who you can mention as well. Over the past 20 years I am willing to bet LeBron name has been everyday of the news media. Not even Jordan didn't receive this much criticism,not until now after MJ retired, but dam man who will be you all next target