I give Kobe respect for the fact that when he was going through his trial he would still fly out to make it to the game to play that same night. Where nowadays these guys sit out over nothing.
@@maverick33guy95 sure it does, alot of people would be too depressed and even embarrassed to show their face, but kobe was just different..Kobe a Beast and he definitely 1 of the greatest to ever play
Lebron was getting to the finals with three of the top four players in his draft, during their prime years. They played a Igoudala led Sixers, a Bulls team with one true star, a Joe Johnson led Hawks. Like where were the real challenges?
@@xavicastorena4739bosh was 24 and 12 before lebron multiple years and team usa main big man vs spain.Add prime wade who already was a champion and led nba in scoring but not only them added mike miller,shane battier,ray allen,rashard lewis like bro it’s ridiculous amount of team usa all stars on 1 team..Lebron needed all this plus a blown call vs durant in game 2 vs okc 2012 for bron to finally win!Kobe won more with less vs harder competition
@@xavicastorena4739all that help to beat rose and bulls only won 60 fause they played east trash teams 4 times a year vs the west teams only twice!!rose game was very flawed!!had no outside shot!Lebron had super duper teams and free rides to nba finals
@@xavicastorena4739reason there was a game 7 was cause of kobe and being the best big on floor in 2008 gold medal game over dwight howard.Chris bosh was just as good if not better then gasol at their peaks!Game 7 everybody shot bad look at pierce and garnett numbers..kobe grabbed 16 rebounds and played elite defense all game no resting like lebron on defense..Allen was still 1 of best 3 point shooters in nba with lebron and yes he did save the ring by hitting an elimination saving shot something nobody ever did for kobe or jordan!
@@xavicastorena4739But since you wanna bring up 1 game lets talk about lebron choking entire series..2007 finals 22ppg 6 turnovers per game on 35% in a competitive sweep as cavs barely lost game 3 and 4 by combined 4 points..10 months later kobe 4-1 prime duncan spurs btw on 53%shooting.2008 vs celtics lebron shoots 36% for series.2009 kobe beats magic lebron couldnt!2010 same with celtics which lebron shot 32% last 3 games of..2011 finals lebron averaged 17ppg..2014 finals lebron stat padded and scored 80% of points when team was down 15+ or more there is a video on youtube detailing this especially when kawaii on the bench.2015 finals lebron shoots 39% for series..2007 most overated run did you know game 6 vs pistons lebron went 3/11 and cavs still won to go onto nba finals!!He played bad that whole pistons series besides 2 games he was bad even with 10 turnovers in game 1 but yea lebron has had way to many playoff meltdowns to even be in goat convo
By far the best Kobe take I’ve ever seen anywhere. It’s kind of amazing I’ve been watching Kobe his whole career and never heard anybody in media go hard for him like that. They go hard for Lebron 3 times a week. It’s almost like tgey got it out for him for some reason….rape allegations? Who knows
Charles my guy. When are ur EVER adress what Kobe did 01-03 playoffs especially in 01 he was just utterly the most DOMINANT and DANGEROUS player at ANY LEVEL from EVERYWHERE on the court. How he just destroyed that Western Conference in them 3 rounds was just sublime. The real MVP!
@showmemore9677 exactly,,, mfs will still say shaq carried kobe,,, I don't understand how a player that averaged 29.4, 26.6, & 32.1 in that 3peat is carried
He talking facts I'm mad he didn't bring up Kobe having a broken finger in 2010 and hit 7 game winners that year with 57 wins. If he miss those shots he drops from 1st seed to 8th seed. He should have won mvp. Kobe really the goat to me
@@xavicastorena4739 he needed surgery and never got it. So is finger wasn't right for the rest of the season he started shooting it off his hand differently I see you don't know
@@xavicastorena4739 the FACT is he won a chip with a index finger in his shooting hand that wasnt 100% so u can make up all the shit u want but it actually happened but if it helps u sleep at night Mr. Xray keep the alternate realities going🤣
One the extra things i have kobe as arguably the goat is when he won back to back, is him winning those chips when he wasnt in his peek. Kobe was at the peek of his powers in 05-07 season, and he had nothing, yet he still won back to back with just skill alone (lets not forget with bruised knees and broken finger.) While guys like Karrem, Bird, bron and even MJ had the luxury to be in there peek with an all time team.
What are you talking about? His single mvp taken from Lebron. What goat with a single pitty mvp? Don't you think pathetic? You know pau gasol was better than all those celtics? Outplayed KG, Double rebounds , double blocks. Top 75 my ass. What top 75? Pau gasol was better than them all. I can't stop laughing.
Jordan was 33, 34, and 35 when the Bulls won three straight, and he had to will the Bulls to the '98 chip; Pippen was hurt for a large portion of the season, including the finals. Sorry, I don't have Kobe as "arguably" the GOAT.
@lenzoltan the mvp is a media award. dwade, who won a chip before lebron, doesn't have a mvp. The flipping logo doesn't have an mvp, but we got guys like Steve Nash and Karl Malone. They can't win anything and are clearly worse. KG and dirk only have one mvp to so u guess they are worse than Nash to gosh they have to be so trash. Oh, snap hakkem and Shaq only have an Mvp too jeez Derrick Rose and AI have to be just as good, right? Mvps don't tell who was the best player in the world, but mvp votes can tell what tier you are in and Kobe has the 10th most mvp votes in nba history and has been top 5 in mvp race for 12 years and don't include the seasons like 01 or 05 where he was at worse top 4 player in the league.
Kobe is that guy. I have Jordan 1 and Kobe 2 with Kobe as my personal favorite player. Kobe our scored the entire Mavs team by himself across 3 quarters and that Mavs team was the best in the West that season.
@@B.NICE302 they do but not to an extent where he’s right behind Jordan 🤦♂️ he a top 5/10 player I’m just saying y’all are going specifically off of his skill set scoring wise. He’s no where near as productive/impactful. There are other plays that get closer
I still remember 2008 when Kobe led the Lakers to a SWEEP of a 50 win Denver team that had a young Carmelo Anthony and Iverson playing his last year at a high-level. From 08-10 Kobe went to 3 straight finals, won back 2 back w/finals MVP, won his only league MVP and was the best player on the Olympic gold medal team that featured young LeBron, Melo and D-Wade. This was also the two last remaining years of his prime, you could argue. Also about Hakeem, he did have a top 75 guy on the 95 championship, when they traded for Clyde Drexler, who became he’s #2 teammate pretty much right away.
I appreciate you explaining to these bron fans about how great Kobe Bryant truly was! Us old enough to watch him live in his prime know what it is. Keep up the great work Charles! Btw, you should make a video about the 2013 All Star game when Kobe was locking bron up and he wanted NOTHING to do with that 1 on 1 matchup. And Kobe was in year 17 during that time at 34 years old
Charles Clyde Drexler did make the top 75 when he joined Hakeem to win that 2nd championship when he got traded there mid season as the Rockets were struggling that year. Still most of his career Hakeem had very little help, he'd be ranked even higher if he had more help and won more chips.
@@NoSpinster0909 That’s true also. He would’ve kept Boston in contention after Bird back went out on him rather than fall off until they drafted Pierce.
9:34 to 9:42 let's not forget about the game winning shots he had made that season in which help the Lakers get the #1seed... ( fun fact ) if Kobe missed 7 clutch game winners, the Lakers may very well had missed the playoffs that year... R.I.P Black Mamba🐍 #824
GOAT requirement for me 1) Slam Dunk champ * A goat must have style 2) A Champion not just in NBA but international BasketBall games title with no Failed records 3) At less 5 top 75 players call you the Goat 4) To those who don't have euf NBA title Example Charles, Malone do you have 3X MVP in at all stars game appearance ? Yes of all the super stars you're the best ! This is my criterial ! There is only 2.. MJ and Kobe
To those of us who grew up watching every one of his games like I did, we saw him amaze every single game!! If you didn't you might not know how truly great he was. I used to enjoy us being down by 10+ points in the second half cause I knew kobe would bring us back in exciting fashion every single time!!!!! Long live the true goat if not 2nd!!. Miss our guy. Mamba mentality on and off the court. Thanks Mr Bryant for the inspiration 🙏
You know that Kobe didn't beat those teams alone? Especially in the finals, where Pau Gasol was probably the deserving MVP of that series and Kobe was building a house in game 7. And yes, 3 top 75 players, but you gotta put context to it: have those guys been at the peak of their powers? KG averaged like 13 points and it's not comparable to a 2017 prime Curry and Durant. Yes, Ryy Allen hit 9 threes in game one and scored a whopping 2 points on 0/13 right after that. They were significantly worse than in 2008. Still like Kobe more than LeBron, but just saying someone is top 75 without the stage those players are at in their careers is nonsense.
@@showmemore9677 exactly! If KG don’t get hurt they probably make it to 3 straight finals. They weren’t a flash in the pan. They were a great team on a great run. Side note: the 95 rockets won 47 games in the regular season and won the title.
Yes, we have to keep Kobe's name alive because the young generation that have not seen him has really missed out on the greatest score that ever lived🐍💜💛
The object of basketball is to win championships… delusional is when you don’t really win in championships, and call yourself “The Goat!” Society has gotten comfortable with mediocrity. We don’t need that…hence , why we don’t think Bron is top 2 in this discussion. Top 5 yes.
Yes, Kobe is top 2 actually. It must be hard for Lebron fans to really grasp the greatness of Kobe. He was that dude. Kobe outscored an entire team for 3 quarters 62-61. Enough said.
I have MJ, Kobe and Magic and also they are my favorite basketball 🏀 players of all times. They were simply entertaining to watch and gave you your money’s worth. To me in my opinion if you have MJ at one it makes sense to have Kobe at two since he is the closest player to MJ. And everyone wanted to be like Mike but Kobe actually was like Mike. That’s why I say Kobe was like Mike plus 1. 23 and 24.
@@xaviervega468 casuals at it again. The lakers lost 3 starters including Shaq Malone and Payton. They also lost 2 more rotational players in fisher and fox to go along with with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson. The lakers had guys starting that shouldn’t have been in any NBA rotation (Kwame Walton and Smush) the 2 years they lost in the first round. But hey what does context mean when you can just blurt out nonsense without giving the entire picture.
@@sosaraycharles358 The lakers lost 3 starters including Shaq Malone and Payton. They also lost 2 more rotational players in fisher and fox to go along with with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson. The lakers had guys starting that shouldn’t have been in any NBA rotation (Kwame Walton and Smush) the 2 years they lost in the first round. But hey what does context mean when you can just blurt out nonsense without giving the entire picture.
@@ultimateyagerman go find your daddy playboy u must be a 2008 baby young ass don’t know 💩 about Kobe excuse yourself out this convo hating ass won’t change nobody opinion 🤣🗣💯
Charles and Dreamers Pro We Appreciate You !! Showing Kobe Love Consistently and Letting Them Know His Legacy And Impact On The Game That Seems To Get Under appreciated even after death !!
Man, that Celtics team was extremely stacked. The 09-10 NBA finals was probably one of the most enjoyable finals I have ever watched. Heck, even most of my family was watching that finals closely and a lot of my family normally doesn’t watch the NBA.
You two are a joke, great NBA players, have koby's second or first or even in their top five, why listen to people that are just haters, I got Kobe second right behind magic johnson, and then Kareem is third, with Larry bird, and I guess I can put Jordan next, but LeBron James to me is not even top 50, even though LeBron is top one at needing more help, screwing over cities and teammates, and the only NBA player to ever beg for respect
Top 10 of course can be argued and debated in hiis favour but top 3 i dont think so. Great player but he only has one MVP and only two finals MVP. There are are 7-8 players who have better resumes.
Well that's because you don't think so, but great NBA players that played with kobe, put him second or even first or even in their top five, but to me people who put Kobe out of the top five do not know basketball, or just true haters against Kobe, if you put LeBron above kobe, then to me you really do not know basketball
You could've made the case even stronger by adding that KD was the youngest scoring champ in NBA history and that Kobe had a broken index finger on his right hand and had to change his shooting form
IS THIS YOUR KING?!?!? I kept hearing that when you said “is this what y’all bringing me?”. 7 Finals appearances in the West in an era where you had very few if any nights off is amazing. That’s part of why I have Jordan at one and Kobe at two.
Why Can’t we just Celebrate Kobe’s Legacy without Comparing him to Other All-Time Greats? This is Disturbing because of Course he and Lebron have had All Time Great Careers, but it’s like I’m FORCED to bring up the Negative Side of Kobe’s Career to defend Lebron… DONT FORCE MY HAND!!
He never brings up Kobe’s failures in playoffs just talks about LeBron’s failure in playoffs.Kobe did get swept by mavs in 2011 and lost by 30 in game 6 of 2008 finals to Celtics
KB tenia una gracia unica y talento que no la tienen ni Jordan ni Lebron, es quizas jugar para entretener a su publico y hacer el juego mas entusiasta. Gracias Kobe x todos los años de NBA en la liga, tremendo! Espectacular!
What are you talking about? His single mvp taken from Lebron. What goat with a single pitty mvp? Don't you think pathetic? You know pau gasol was better than all those celtics? Outplayed KG, Double rebounds , double blocks. Top 75 my ass. What top 75? Pau gasol was better than them all. I can't stop laughing.
@@lenzoltan get out your emotions. Lebron ran to Wade and Bosh because he couldn't beat Boston and Orlando. Kobe beat more 50 win teams. 25-10 to 11-9 Lebron. Kobe competed against the Duncan dynasty for conference supremacy. Who Bron compete with? Raptors and damn pacers stat padding and shit. Boston had 3 top 75 players on their team. Kobe had none. Where was Gasol in Memphis couldn't get out the first round. Bron had Wade..Bosh..AD. Irving... Westbrook..Allen..Love... At least u gotta a bubble title. Kobe in 09/10 should have won MVP he lost only 1 less game than Bron and brought home the titles. And lastly imma listen to Iverson...Shaq..Durant..and Barkley over a hot headed clown like u that ain't listening to.facts. He will never be Kobe nor MJ his finals debacles and failures are awful. Swept twice in finals and this year Blew two 2-1 finals leads in finals. Largest margin of defeat in 2014 to Duncan. 1-3 record versus Curry. 1-2 record versus Durant and Duncan. Get the hell out of here. How does that 60.piece taste? 81 piece? 12 all defenses? 3 peat and repeat twice only Jordan and Russell can say that. Please....what can I say? Mamba Out. I bash clowns like u daily.
That would be correct if that's all there was...u failed to mention 4 mvps 4 chips and 4 finals mvps. Mj 5mvp 6 chips 6 finals mvp. U see the similarities. They both were without question best player each time. No bench riding no 7 PPG seasons...
Kobe allowed himself to be locked down single coverage by Tayshawn Prince and Rip Hamilton taking turns in the 2004 Finals. Averaging 22ppg on 23fga on 37%fg 🤦🏾♂️ Kobe also didn’t show up in the 2011 WCSF against the Mavericks and allowed his team to get swept 🧹 only averaging 22ppg 3rebs and 2assts, ALL while having home court advantage in BOTH series. 🙄 Jordan has NEVER been locked down in a single series he’s ever played, let alone single coverage. Michael Jordan has NEVER lost a series while having home court advantage, aka when EXPECTED to win. NO other superstar can say that, not even Bill Russell. 🐐 Jordan played on ANOTHER LEVEL in the playoffs. Kobe just played like Kobe...just less efficient in the Playoffs. When the games REALLY mattered, the REAL NBA season, Jordan was and still is the greatest playoff performer in the HISTORY of ANY team sport. Michael Jordan holds the Scoring record for most 50 point Post season games in NBA history. Jordan has more 50 point Playoff games than: Wilt Kobe LeBron Harden Jabbar Shaq Olajuwon Melo Bird Magic Durant Curry ....COMBINED 🐐 Jordan is the only player in NBA History to average over 30+ for a career in the playoffs. He averaged 33.6ppg for a Playoff career, by FAR better than anyone else. On top of that, Jordan has the HIGHEST career PER average in the regular season, the Playoffs AND NBA Finals HISTORY. Lol @ Kobe being 🐐 If Kobe is YOUR goat, your standards are Low. Period.
@@massdagodthough I agree that Jordan has a slight edge over Kobe, I must say that Prince and Hamilton never locked up Kobe. That year Kobe was throwing a hissy fit and stopped competing. This was very clear because of locker room issues.
Black mamba…there’s a reason why so many players pick him over anyone not named Michael Jordan….just pointing that out for all the Bronsexuals out there.
Might hurt a lot of Stan’s feelings but neither Kobe or LBJ are top 3. Kobe isn’t top 3 cause he’s not even the one or two best players to play for the Lakers. That’s KAJ and Magic. And LBJ can’t be top 3 cause he has 6 losses. All this video is your opinion on why Kobe is better than LBJ. Which you can make that case. But anywhere near Jordan? Nah.
In this day of analytics and inflated stats where guys are playing less minutes but scoring more points including both KD and LeBron if you look at their careers they play less minutes now than they used to but are scoring more now, Kobe is one of those players that you had to see him play to really appreciate him. If you just look at the stats it looks like LeBron is better across the board but if you watched them both play the eye test shows Kobe was more skilled and the better player.
LMAO are you serious?? A simple Google search shows lebron avg 2 more minutes. Eye test shows Kobe chucking bad shots and refusing to pass to the open man. While it shows lebron being a team player while averaging more minutes
@@simonhowell4486 Dude what the hell are you talking about? LeBron last two years 37mpg/30ppg and 35mpg/29ppg. For his career he's 38mpg/27ppg. So he's not in his prime yet he's scoring more now per minute than he ever did. That means the game is easier to score now smh. As for Kobe him going through a rebuilding phase when Shaq left and then going to 3 straight finals and winning two chips without a top 75 player or a big 3 and beating the Celtics when they were better and younger is far more impressive than any title LeBron has ever won.
People who watched Kobe know he's better. I'm glad you're educating people. Another big point for me is, lebron always went to favorable situations to win. He would would play with top HOFers and then fill out the roster with underpriced mercenaries. He never went to the bottom and built back up to win. Even the Lakers - he did it at a time when the east was riding with a promise from magic that they guarantee they'll get a top 5 star, which was AD. In any other discipline in history, we always admire people who can go from nothing to the best. Why isn't this admired in basketball? Kobe literally stuck around on a team with where major minutes were going to Chucky atkins, Jordan farmar, Kwame brown, Chris mihm, Ronnie turiaf, Sasha vujecic, smush parker... One thing people don't discuss enough is quality of ring. Lebron played with more HOFers than Jordan and Kobe combined. Look it up. And he did so at time where super teams wasn't the norm of the league. The guy's rings are cheap. To me, Dirk's one ring is more valuable than all lebron's rings combined.
Homeless you seem very confused so let me help you when LeBron went back to Cleveland they were the worst team in the league the four years they were gone and they traded the number one pick for Kevin Love the first year they got to the finals and he had to play against Golden State without love and Kyrie Irving the next year when he had those two they beat Golden State may be the greatest team of all time just remember LeBron played against Kobe 22 times in one 16 times and dominated him almost every single game it was so one-sided I couldn't even watch it anymore I felt terrible for Kobe
@@SteveJones-re6pw yeah but they beat that team with four all stars. Lebron, Kyrie, love, and Adam silver. Suspended Draymond when the warriors had all the momentum when historically, the INSTIGATOR got more suspension, which in this case, was Lebron, and Lebron did not get a suspension stepping over someone and brushing their nuts upside a grown man’s head? Yeah, yeah admirable win indeed.
During that time he averaged 27.1ppg 5.6rpg., 5.1ppg 5 Championships 2 finals mvp's League mvp 2 gold medals 4x allstar game mvp's 15 all nba on offense 12 all nba selections on defense and remember During their Championship years with shaq the triangle offense ran through Shaquille o'neal but what if it ran through kobe instead of shaq something to think about
RIP Bean! Thank you for keeping Kobe’s legacy intact. ESPN should be ashamed… Blatantly LYING on Kobe after he’s gone. Although Kobe’s TEAM lost alot head to head vs LeBron, KOBE was always the clear alpha when on the court against LeBron. It was really apparent due to LeBron’s size advantage too lol…
@@xaviervega468 Lol Bronsexual, have you ever heard of context? Reciting statistics without context is meaningless and can lead to false conclusions like the bullshit you just wrote. Keep eating Bron’s meat lol #RIPBean
The reason I don’t like the if Lebrun played in the west he wouldn’t win argument is ok so let’s put Lebron on the Spurs with Pop or let’s put Bron on the suns with Nash or let’s put Bron on those Dallas teams you see where I’m going with this it’s a bunch of what ifs y’all act like Bron would’ve been by himself he arguably would’ve had better teams. To be honest Kobe not taking that 06 cavs team to the finals lol
People are gonna say when Kobe lost in 1st round that Shaq Malone and GP left and they were stuck with Kwame and sorry teammates…look at LeBron’s first final team they were even more sorry but he still found a way to get them to the finals.
@@aaronnguyen3809 Exactly but they going to just say it’s cause Bron was in the weak east. People have have revisionist history when it comes to Kobe. He didn’t win again until he had a lethal team people act like he didn’t have young ariza Lamar Odom Ron Artest Gasol and Andrew Bynum along with one of the greatest coaches that’s why I say context is everything
And let's be honest. The bubble was not played in an actual playoff environment. It was more of a scrimmage with no fans, no travelling back and forth to the opposing city. Yet home boy was beating his chest and asking for his "damn respect" as if he faced a serious opponent.
I'm not taking Kobe over mj, Kareem, magic, bird, bill Russell, Shaq, I might even take tim Duncan over Kobe if they were in the same draft knowing what I know now
He is in the 11-15 range max. Why? -Is he arguably the greatest in his position? No. -Was he the best in his era? No. Shaq and / or Duncan -3/5 FMVP won by Shaq -2nd biggest chocke in the finals from a superstar (vs Pistons). In the sit down with Shaq, he admitted it was his fault. -Without Jackson as a coach, he missed the playoffs. -Great player but im not an emotional fanboy.
I don't care what anybody say I grew up watching Michael Jordan as a child. I'm the same age as Kobe Bryant born the same year. After seeing them both play I personally think Kobe did things that nobody else could even do any played in the hardest defensive error era. Of the NBA. In which the NBA did not want him to be the best player of this time.
Very entertaining show i concur wholeheartedly with every word you said, and it is fact i was sitting here hoping you were going to say that 2009-2010 season because Kobe was on a mission that entire season including the postseason and that's exactly the same case i have been making to LBJ fans on why i have kobe at 2 in my top 5 all-time list glad you pointed it all out for them hopefully they gain some knowledge from this ... again great show 💯✌🏿
The poll is biased, it’s like me going to a Lebron fan page & asking the same question. The dreamerspro page is filled with Kobe stans, and before someone says okay “Lebron fan boy” I’m from the Bay & watch my team give Lebron & Company 3Ls in the finals…..
@@peda15he’s telling facts, the only place you will see people saying Kobe is better than Lebron is on channels like this. Hoopshype did a poll last summer on who was better between Lebron and Kobe and Lebron won the poll, and that poll was a way larger scale than this channel.
@@jaydot4956 it’s because casual fans like yourself swallow whatever the media feeds you. The fact that Kareem was never in this “goat debate” is very telling. Causal fans can digest MJ and Lebron. It’s very simple. I ask ppl all the time when exactly did Lebron pass Kobe. They rarely have an answer. It’s because the media fast tracked Lebron ahead of everyone else (including Kareem) to vault him into this nonsensical debate when MJ and Lebron are the only 2 participants
@@peda15 so I’m a casual because I think Lebron is better even though Lebron is better at everything other than mid range shooting? Lebron also has more individual accolades and was beating Kobe every time they played (even when Kobe had the better team). Your telling people to ignore stats, accolades, video evidence of Lebron beating Kobe a majority of the time. The only thing you Kobe fans have is that he has one more ring than Lebron lol.
@@jaydot4956 LeBron is better at everything except for mid range jump shots? I guess Kobe making 12 all defensive NBA teams compared to Lebron’s 6 equates to LeBron being a better defender. Yes you are a casual 😅
@@Cochise313 go watch the interview also it was the lowest game in NBA finals history the team that won reb is the team the won.the game fun fact kobe is the only guard in NBA finals history to grad 15 reb
Family is from the Chi and I'm an 80s baby. I'm MJ allllll day! But the Only person who could EVER get MJ would be Kobe Bean Bryant. R.I.P Kobe we're always going to ride for you. MJ is 1A and Kobe is 1B Hands down!
Yeah because so many folks have been brainwashed by the media. They lead y’all to believe that KAJ wasn’t in the goat conversation. When ppl die early it gives folks time to be reflective on their greatness and truly appreciate it
I'm a big Kobe fan and he was outstanding those three years but he did also have the best front line in basketball with Gasol, Odom & Bynum. It was basically unfair defensively and rebounding wise.
@@divanhawkins2539 Probably not. He was their best player. My argument, and I should have been more clear, is that Kobe didn't beat the Thunder or the Celtics or any team. The Lakers team that he was on did. I'm so tired of people like Charles and pretty much everyone saying stuff like Kobe won 5 rings, Jordan won 6 rings. Kobe won zero rings, the Lakers teams that he was on won 5 rings. Jordan won zero rings. The Bulls teams that he was on 6 rings. Yes, they were the best player ( well Shaq was a little better for their 3peat) but main point is that it's a team game. When Kobe didn't have the best frontline in basketball and was playing with Kwame Brown, the Lakers didn't get out of the first round, even though he was in his absolute prime in 2006 I'd say if I had to pick one year. Everyone needs everyone like Jeff Van Gundy famously once said. Jordan would be the first to admit this. When his team lost to the Magic in 95 he stated they were missing a Horace Grant. Next season they got Rodman, won 72 games and 3peated. No way they win even one of those 3 championships without Rodman. I'm not going at you at all if it seems like I am. I am going at all these people that make these foolish statements like Jordan was 6-0 in the finals and treating basketball like it's an individual sport like tennis or golf. Bill Russell is another that would've been the first to acknowledge how all those championships were a team accomplishment.
@@wowo29 these are all facts...the point in these arguments tho is that the best players get all the credit and all the blame...just like Bron gets propped up saying he went to 10finals its all relevant in the GOAT comparison...we all know basketball is a team accomplishment but just like football quarterbacks get blame and credit 🤷🏾♂️
@@wowo29a man of culture much respect for you my man to recognize how deep that frontcourt was in the big picture. They want to make it seem like it was all kobe, but the reality was that Phil Jackson put together a frontcourt that could slow Tim Duncan one night and wear down Dirk/KG the next night.
Dude… this is just sad… I love Kobe, but your so desperate to try to make Kobe look like he’s far above Lebron… 6-16 Record against him. Talk about that. Shaq was the main man for those 3 Champs. Lebron was never second fiddle.. I’m not even a Lebron Fanboy. But Kobe never faced a Team like the warriors, Curry/Klay/Durant/Green Klay could easily be considered top 75. Draymond DPOY.
For someone who is constantly blaming the media for manipulating people, you are a pretty good manipulator yourself. Kobe Bryant top 3 of all time, give me a break! Having him top 5 is crazy, having him top 3 is just madness!
Keep them takes coming! This is by far the best Kobe take EVER! Let me repeat I am not a KOBE FAN. I am not a Kobe fan and never was. If I have to be completely honest KOBE is better than LBJ. They love to bring up 3-1 vs suns. Name me one time he pulled a 2011 Miami vs Dallas????????? Kobe is very disrespected!!! After his career I got to admire him more. I was a MAJOR KG FAN due to seeing him his entire career starting at Farragut in Chicago. So I wanted him to win so bad and that 2010 finals KOBE had a quarter for the ages! I never heard nobody refer to the Celtics team as a superteam UNTIL LBJ was losing to them. Kobe BEAT THEM IN THE FINALS!!!!!!!!! He didn’t have a loaded roster to do it!!! Keep up the good work charles!
Yessir! We keeping Kobe's name and legacy alive!
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@@Lord_LeGOD_IS_BETTERAt flopping
@KobeKobe-rq3jkmany players have gone to 3 straight finals and many didn’t need all time great as their #1 option
@KobeKobe-rq3jk look up kobe vs lebron record 😁🤣
Kobe Legendary !!!! And mainstream media been lying about it!!!
Yes, what they do
I give Kobe respect for the fact that when he was going through his trial he would still fly out to make it to the game to play that same night. Where nowadays these guys sit out over nothing.
hitting game winners....these fools would be in the bed under the covers crying
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@@mrkareem75x68big facts🎯
That doesn't make him great
@@maverick33guy95 sure it does, alot of people would be too depressed and even embarrassed to show their face, but kobe was just different..Kobe a Beast and he definitely 1 of the greatest to ever play
Lebron was getting to the finals with three of the top four players in his draft, during their prime years. They played a Igoudala led Sixers, a Bulls team with one true star, a Joe Johnson led Hawks. Like where were the real challenges?
@@xavicastorena4739bosh was 24 and 12 before lebron multiple years and team usa main big man vs spain.Add prime wade who already was a champion and led nba in scoring but not only them added mike miller,shane battier,ray allen,rashard lewis like bro it’s ridiculous amount of team usa all stars on 1 team..Lebron needed all this plus a blown call vs durant in game 2 vs okc 2012 for bron to finally win!Kobe won more with less vs harder competition
@@xavicastorena4739all that help to beat rose and bulls only won 60 fause they played east trash teams 4 times a year vs the west teams only twice!!rose game was very flawed!!had no outside shot!Lebron had super duper teams and free rides to nba finals
@@xavicastorena4739reason there was a game 7 was cause of kobe and being the best big on floor in 2008 gold medal game over dwight howard.Chris bosh was just as good if not better then gasol at their peaks!Game 7 everybody shot bad look at pierce and garnett numbers..kobe grabbed 16 rebounds and played elite defense all game no resting like lebron on defense..Allen was still 1 of best 3 point shooters in nba with lebron and yes he did save the ring by hitting an elimination saving shot something nobody ever did for kobe or jordan!
@@xavicastorena4739But since you wanna bring up 1 game lets talk about lebron choking entire series..2007 finals 22ppg 6 turnovers per game on 35% in a competitive sweep as cavs barely lost game 3 and 4 by combined 4 points..10 months later kobe 4-1 prime duncan spurs btw on 53%shooting.2008 vs celtics lebron shoots 36% for series.2009 kobe beats magic lebron couldnt!2010 same with celtics which lebron shot 32% last 3 games of..2011 finals lebron averaged 17ppg..2014 finals lebron stat padded and scored 80% of points when team was down 15+ or more there is a video on youtube detailing this especially when kawaii on the bench.2015 finals lebron shoots 39% for series..2007 most overated run did you know game 6 vs pistons lebron went 3/11 and cavs still won to go onto nba finals!!He played bad that whole pistons series besides 2 games he was bad even with 10 turnovers in game 1 but yea lebron has had way to many playoff meltdowns to even be in goat convo
@@xavicastorena4739 Kobe beat that same Boston team with them 4 all stars and Kobe only had Pau Gasol as a all star
By far the best Kobe take I’ve ever seen anywhere. It’s kind of amazing I’ve been watching Kobe his whole career and never heard anybody in media go hard for him like that. They go hard for Lebron 3 times a week. It’s almost like tgey got it out for him for some reason….rape allegations? Who knows
We love you Kobe & will never let your greatness be undermined or taken for granted ‼️🐍
Well said!!
Facts
Charles my guy.
When are ur EVER adress what Kobe did 01-03 playoffs especially in 01 he was just utterly the most DOMINANT and DANGEROUS player at ANY LEVEL from EVERYWHERE on the court.
How he just destroyed that Western Conference in them 3 rounds was just sublime.
The real MVP!
2003
2006
untouchable
@showmemore9677 exactly,,, mfs will still say shaq carried kobe,,, I don't understand how a player that averaged 29.4, 26.6, & 32.1 in that 3peat is carried
Facts
Absolutely. Only the first Chip was on Shaq. Kobe became the engine of the team to go three straight
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How and what do u base that on?!
Cot dayyyum RIP KOBE!!!! This was needed!! Dreamers Pro for the WIN!!!!
He talking facts I'm mad he didn't bring up Kobe having a broken finger in 2010 and hit 7 game winners that year with 57 wins. If he miss those shots he drops from 1st seed to 8th seed. He should have won mvp. Kobe really the goat to me
Facts
@@xavicastorena4739 he needed surgery and never got it. So is finger wasn't right for the rest of the season he started shooting it off his hand differently I see you don't know
@@xavicastorena4739 the FACT is he won a chip with a index finger in his shooting hand that wasnt 100% so u can make up all the shit u want but it actually happened but if it helps u sleep at night Mr. Xray keep the alternate realities going🤣
I love the Kobe videos bro keep them coming
Yes,
One the extra things i have kobe as arguably the goat is when he won back to back, is him winning those chips when he wasnt in his peek.
Kobe was at the peek of his powers in 05-07 season, and he had nothing, yet he still won back to back with just skill alone (lets not forget with bruised knees and broken finger.)
While guys like Karrem, Bird, bron and even MJ had the luxury to be in there peek with an all time team.
Facts Kobe would have like 6-7 rings if he had good teams in 05-07
Against the 2 teams that made that man run to Miami
What are you talking about? His single mvp taken from Lebron. What goat with a single pitty mvp? Don't you think pathetic?
You know pau gasol was better than all those celtics? Outplayed KG, Double rebounds , double blocks. Top 75 my ass. What top 75? Pau gasol was better than them all. I can't stop laughing.
Jordan was 33, 34, and 35 when the Bulls won three straight, and he had to will the Bulls to the '98 chip; Pippen was hurt for a large portion of the season, including the finals. Sorry, I don't have Kobe as "arguably" the GOAT.
@lenzoltan the mvp is a media award. dwade, who won a chip before lebron, doesn't have a mvp. The flipping logo doesn't have an mvp, but we got guys like Steve Nash and Karl Malone. They can't win anything and are clearly worse.
KG and dirk only have one mvp to so u guess they are worse than Nash to gosh they have to be so trash.
Oh, snap hakkem and Shaq only have an Mvp too jeez Derrick Rose and AI have to be just as good, right?
Mvps don't tell who was the best player in the world, but mvp votes can tell what tier you are in and Kobe has the 10th most mvp votes in nba history and has been top 5 in mvp race for 12 years and don't include the seasons like 01 or 05 where he was at worse top 4 player in the league.
Kobe is that guy. I have Jordan 1 and Kobe 2 with Kobe as my personal favorite player. Kobe our scored the entire Mavs team by himself across 3 quarters and that Mavs team was the best in the West that season.
PREACH 🗣️
Spread the word of his greatness
The ONLY one close to Jordan all time
Not arguing with ANYONE about this
You get no argument from me dog!
@KobeKobe-rq3jkTell’em again I don’t think they heard you👍
Play style wise. There’s multiple players who played at a higher peak. Basketball isn’t restricted to what you like. There’s other areas of the game
@@julian2238 what are you talking about his numbers and rings back up his play style🤦♂️
@@B.NICE302 they do but not to an extent where he’s right behind Jordan 🤦♂️ he a top 5/10 player I’m just saying y’all are going specifically off of his skill set scoring wise. He’s no where near as productive/impactful. There are other plays that get closer
I still remember 2008 when Kobe led the Lakers to a SWEEP of a 50 win Denver team that had a young Carmelo Anthony and Iverson playing his last year at a high-level. From 08-10 Kobe went to 3 straight finals, won back 2 back w/finals MVP, won his only league MVP and was the best player on the Olympic gold medal team that featured young LeBron, Melo and D-Wade. This was also the two last remaining years of his prime, you could argue.
Also about Hakeem, he did have a top 75 guy on the 95 championship, when they traded for Clyde Drexler, who became he’s #2 teammate pretty much right away.
THANK YOUUUU!!!!! FINALLY someone other than me said it!!! All 100% facts as well! Very well done. Way to Keep the Mamba alive!
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Great argument for Kobe
In 2010 averaged 29 6&5 on 46 %fg 37%from 3 & 84%,ft with A broken finger on his shooting hand and still won A championship
I appreciate you explaining to these bron fans about how great Kobe Bryant truly was! Us old enough to watch him live in his prime know what it is. Keep up the great work Charles!
Btw, you should make a video about the 2013 All Star game when Kobe was locking bron up and he wanted NOTHING to do with that 1 on 1 matchup. And Kobe was in year 17 during that time at 34 years old
Charles Clyde Drexler did make the top 75 when he joined Hakeem to win that 2nd championship when he got traded there mid season as the Rockets were struggling that year. Still most of his career Hakeem had very little help, he'd be ranked even higher if he had more help and won more chips.
Had Ralph Sampson not been derailed by injuries, Hakeem might have 2-3 more titles
@@JamesHall_II yeah that injury probably changed the course of history
@@JamesHall_II Bias didn’t do what he did a lot of things would probably be different
@@NoSpinster0909 That’s true also. He would’ve kept Boston in contention after Bird back went out on him rather than fall off until they drafted Pierce.
9:34 to 9:42 let's not forget about the game winning shots he had made that season in which help the Lakers get the #1seed... ( fun fact ) if Kobe missed 7 clutch game winners, the Lakers may very well had missed the playoffs that year... R.I.P Black Mamba🐍 #824
GOAT requirement for me 1) Slam Dunk champ * A goat must have style 2) A Champion not just in NBA but international BasketBall games title with no Failed records 3) At less 5 top 75 players call you the Goat 4) To those who don't have euf NBA title Example Charles, Malone do you have 3X MVP in at all stars game appearance ? Yes of all the super stars you're the best ! This is my criterial !
There is only 2.. MJ and Kobe
Man this was refreshing lol finally someone who isnt afraid to keep it real
To those of us who grew up watching every one of his games like I did, we saw him amaze every single game!! If you didn't you might not know how truly great he was. I used to enjoy us being down by 10+ points in the second half cause I knew kobe would bring us back in exciting fashion every single time!!!!! Long live the true goat if not 2nd!!. Miss our guy. Mamba mentality on and off the court. Thanks Mr Bryant for the inspiration 🙏
Am glad someone of the substance in the media finally giving Kobe the credit he deserves.
You know that Kobe didn't beat those teams alone? Especially in the finals, where Pau Gasol was probably the deserving MVP of that series and Kobe was building a house in game 7. And yes, 3 top 75 players, but you gotta put context to it: have those guys been at the peak of their powers? KG averaged like 13 points and it's not comparable to a 2017 prime Curry and Durant. Yes, Ryy Allen hit 9 threes in game one and scored a whopping 2 points on 0/13 right after that. They were significantly worse than in 2008.
Still like Kobe more than LeBron, but just saying someone is top 75 without the stage those players are at in their careers is nonsense.
@@showmemore9677 LOL Boston only won 50 games, and LA was the odds on favorite in 2010. GTFOH with that nonsense.
Pau was only avg 18pts in the finals while kobe was avg 28pts 4asst 8reb kobe led the Lakers in points asst stl
@@showmemore9677 Not nearly as good as they were in 08
@@showmemore9677 exactly! If KG don’t get hurt they probably make it to 3 straight finals. They weren’t a flash in the pan. They were a great team on a great run. Side note: the 95 rockets won 47 games in the regular season and won the title.
@@peda15 Just asking what teams did Boston beat on their way to the finals in 2010
Yes, we have to keep Kobe's name alive because the young generation that have not seen him has really missed out on the greatest score that ever lived🐍💜💛
Kobe is not the greatest scorer ever. Go do your homework because you don't know what you're talking about
Thank bro for keeping Kobe legacy going dudes be hating Kobe is the 🐐
Calling Kobe top 3 is the kind of delusion that’s scary and we don’t need it
That’s a Kobe fan tho🤷🏿♂️
The object of basketball is to win championships… delusional is when you don’t really win in championships, and call yourself “The Goat!” Society has gotten comfortable with mediocrity. We don’t need that…hence , why we don’t think Bron is top 2 in this discussion. Top 5 yes.
Yes, Kobe is top 2 actually. It must be hard for Lebron fans to really grasp the greatness of Kobe. He was that dude. Kobe outscored an entire team for 3 quarters 62-61. Enough said.
Calling Kobe top two is worse than calling him top 3.
@@kareemabdulwahhab6919 😂😂😂😂🤦🏿♂️
8:50 Kobe is the only one to do it. Hakeem had Clyde drexler in 1995 and drexler is a top 75 player. So Kobe is the ONLY one. 🐐🐍
I have MJ, Kobe and Magic and also they are my favorite basketball 🏀 players of all times. They were simply entertaining to watch and gave you your money’s worth. To me in my opinion if you have MJ at one it makes sense to have Kobe at two since he is the closest player to MJ. And everyone wanted to be like Mike but Kobe actually was like Mike. That’s why I say Kobe was like Mike plus 1. 23 and 24.
Great video, excellent points. Thanks for keeping Kobe's legacy alive!
When Shaq left LA that was when Kobe took his game to a level that fans will remember
With 2 first round exits & missing the playoffs in the heart of his prime, yes we remember
It was like the shackles were taken off once shaq left.
He took it to an new level alright., Missing the playoffs in his prime, followed by getting booted in the first rd twice.
@@xaviervega468 casuals at it again. The lakers lost 3 starters including Shaq Malone and Payton. They also lost 2 more rotational players in fisher and fox to go along with with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson. The lakers had guys starting that shouldn’t have been in any NBA rotation (Kwame Walton and Smush) the 2 years they lost in the first round. But hey what does context mean when you can just blurt out nonsense without giving the entire picture.
@@sosaraycharles358 The lakers lost 3 starters including Shaq Malone and Payton. They also lost 2 more rotational players in fisher and fox to go along with with a hall of fame coach in Phil Jackson. The lakers had guys starting that shouldn’t have been in any NBA rotation (Kwame Walton and Smush) the 2 years they lost in the first round. But hey what does context mean when you can just blurt out nonsense without giving the entire picture.
DREAMERSPRO please keep the Kobe flag flying because he deserves that much respect from us. The great Mamba. The second-greatest player of all time.
Another great Video! Thank you for showing love to the great Kobe Bryant!
My pleasure!!
Thank Charles and you have a wonderful happy new year. Prosperity to you and the Dreamerspro.
Absolutely love Mamba conversation!!
Keep these Kobe Videos on they neck we know Kobe that a true 🐐
Yall lost this argument years ago
Bron is a solid #2 for atleast 40 more years
Kobe wont be making top 10 lists in 10 years, maybe less
@@ultimateyagerman go find your daddy playboy u must be a 2008 baby young ass don’t know 💩 about Kobe excuse yourself out this convo hating ass won’t change nobody opinion 🤣🗣💯
@@ultimateyagerman Kobe nor LeBron are top 10 players.
@@auntiez4917 ok
this guy is obsessed with Lebron. Even in a Kobe post u lead with Bron. Dude. U need family. U need friends. U need a life. Come on dude.
He has a life, and your monetizing his video by increasing his view count.
Charles and Dreamers Pro We Appreciate You !! Showing Kobe Love Consistently and Letting Them Know His Legacy And Impact On The Game That Seems To Get Under appreciated even after death !!
Love these vids !! R.i.p kobe .. you speaking the truth they want us to forget about, to prop up lebrons career ..
Man, that Celtics team was extremely stacked. The 09-10 NBA finals was probably one of the most enjoyable finals I have ever watched. Heck, even most of my family was watching that finals closely and a lot of my family normally doesn’t watch the NBA.
Kobe is not no damn top 3 anywhere on anybody’s list. You can love Kobe and praise him without engaging in revisionist history.
I can accept Kobe being as high as 5, even though I personally have him in the 6-8 range. Any higher than that though is laughable.
You two are a joke, great NBA players, have koby's second or first or even in their top five, why listen to people that are just haters, I got Kobe second right behind magic johnson, and then Kareem is third, with Larry bird, and I guess I can put Jordan next, but LeBron James to me is not even top 50, even though LeBron is top one at needing more help, screwing over cities and teammates, and the only NBA player to ever beg for respect
Who do you have before Kobe?
I want to laugh
Masterfully done‼️👏🏾The analytics ppl not gonna like this one‼️💯🔥🔥🔥
Now that's a real Kobe master charles! Just destroyed le floppers out there. Keep it coming man! Kobe 824!
Love this channel im sick of main stream media slighting Kobe like he ain’t the greatest at least top 3 in my eyes he the goat
Brody stop lying kobe didnt make all star game his first year... He averaged 7 points a game and came off the bench be serious
Yeah he made a mistake. He meant Kobe js the YOUNGEST all star STARTER
Jesus he get on one subject and stay on it for days...smh....tomorrow subject Kobe use to be a machine!
Cmn now I know that Kobe was exciting to watch even more than Lebron but there’s no way there is people believing that he had a better prime than him.
Never underestimate the delusions of Kobetards.
Kobe Bean all day, baby!
"He was playing in a weak conference" THANK YOU!!!!!!
Haha I'm laughing at the end. Big ups for showing well-deserved love to the mamba!
I love this channel bruh!! Ima always support bro 👏🏾 speaking truth!!!
Top 10 of course can be argued and debated in hiis favour but top 3 i dont think so. Great player but he only has one MVP and only two finals MVP. There are are 7-8 players who have better resumes.
Well that's because you don't think so, but great NBA players that played with kobe, put him second or even first or even in their top five, but to me people who put Kobe out of the top five do not know basketball, or just true haters against Kobe, if you put LeBron above kobe, then to me you really do not know basketball
You're gonna bring up MVPs?
That's like saying the best rapper has 1 Grammy
Prime Steph and KD on the same team is better than 3 top 75 players past their prime.
You could've made the case even stronger by adding that KD was the youngest scoring champ in NBA history and that Kobe had a broken index finger on his right hand and had to change his shooting form
You are absolutely right!! Kobe never brought attention to it and never had the Media make excuses for him.
Had multiple fractures in his right hand
THANK YOU BRO I USE MY PLATFORM AS WELL TO SPREAD THE WORD MY BOY !!!
KOBE - MAMBA MENTALITY IS REAL - BABY GOAT
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IS THIS YOUR KING?!?!? I kept hearing that when you said “is this what y’all bringing me?”. 7 Finals appearances in the West in an era where you had very few if any nights off is amazing. That’s part of why I have Jordan at one and Kobe at two.
But was Kobe “the guy” for all his finals appearances??
Why Can’t we just Celebrate Kobe’s Legacy without Comparing him to Other All-Time Greats? This is Disturbing because of Course he and Lebron have had All Time Great Careers, but it’s like I’m FORCED to bring up the Negative Side of Kobe’s Career to defend Lebron… DONT FORCE MY HAND!!
AND THEY DON'T WANT THAT
That's why Kobetards do. They will bring up all of Lebron's negatives, yet completely omit Kobe's
Literally no one is forcing you to defend Lebron 😅😅
Nobodys forcing you to do so...but go ahead there's more to the conversation than he listed in this video
He never brings up Kobe’s failures in playoffs just talks about LeBron’s failure in playoffs.Kobe did get swept by mavs in 2011 and lost by 30 in game 6 of 2008 finals to Celtics
KB tenia una gracia unica y talento que no la tienen ni Jordan ni Lebron, es quizas jugar para entretener a su publico y hacer el juego mas entusiasta. Gracias Kobe x todos los años de NBA en la liga, tremendo! Espectacular!
Love it. 2nd greatest ever in my opinion. Love u mamba
What are you talking about? His single mvp taken from Lebron. What goat with a single pitty mvp? Don't you think pathetic?
You know pau gasol was better than all those celtics? Outplayed KG, Double rebounds , double blocks. Top 75 my ass. What top 75? Pau gasol was better than them all. I can't stop laughing.
@@lenzoltan get out your emotions. Lebron ran to Wade and Bosh because he couldn't beat Boston and Orlando. Kobe beat more 50 win teams. 25-10 to 11-9 Lebron. Kobe competed against the Duncan dynasty for conference supremacy. Who Bron compete with? Raptors and damn pacers stat padding and shit. Boston had 3 top 75 players on their team. Kobe had none. Where was Gasol in Memphis couldn't get out the first round. Bron had Wade..Bosh..AD. Irving... Westbrook..Allen..Love... At least u gotta a bubble title. Kobe in 09/10 should have won MVP he lost only 1 less game than Bron and brought home the titles. And lastly imma listen to Iverson...Shaq..Durant..and Barkley over a hot headed clown like u that ain't listening to.facts. He will never be Kobe nor MJ his finals debacles and failures are awful. Swept twice in finals and this year
Blew two 2-1 finals leads in finals. Largest margin of defeat in 2014 to Duncan. 1-3 record versus Curry. 1-2 record versus Durant and Duncan. Get the hell out of here. How does that 60.piece taste? 81 piece? 12 all defenses? 3 peat and repeat twice only Jordan and Russell can say that. Please....what can I say? Mamba Out. I bash clowns like u daily.
No singular playoff run will elevate you into the top 3 of all time. Do u understand that bro... And nobody with one mvp qualifies for top 10...period
Facts
no one with 6 finals loses and 2 sweeps in the finals deserves to be top 3
@DREAMERSPRO consensus says otherwise. If it weren't true, you wouldn't parrot the same talking points week in week out.
That would be correct if that's all there was...u failed to mention 4 mvps 4 chips and 4 finals mvps. Mj 5mvp 6 chips 6 finals mvp. U see the similarities. They both were without question best player each time. No bench riding no 7 PPG seasons...
Kobe the 🐐
Wrong!!
I think Jordan is better, but Kobe is close tho
Kobe allowed himself to be locked down single coverage by Tayshawn Prince and Rip Hamilton taking turns in the 2004 Finals. Averaging 22ppg on 23fga on 37%fg 🤦🏾♂️
Kobe also didn’t show up in the 2011 WCSF against the Mavericks and allowed his team to get swept 🧹 only averaging 22ppg 3rebs and 2assts, ALL while having home court advantage in BOTH series. 🙄
Jordan has NEVER been locked down in a single series he’s ever played, let alone single coverage.
Michael Jordan has NEVER lost a series while having home court advantage, aka when EXPECTED to win. NO other superstar can say that, not even Bill Russell. 🐐
Jordan played on ANOTHER LEVEL in the playoffs. Kobe just played like Kobe...just less efficient in the Playoffs.
When the games REALLY mattered, the REAL NBA season, Jordan was and still is the greatest playoff performer in the HISTORY of ANY team sport.
Michael Jordan holds the Scoring record for most 50 point Post season games in NBA history.
Jordan has more 50 point Playoff games than:
Wilt
Kobe
LeBron
Harden
Jabbar
Shaq
Olajuwon
Melo
Bird
Magic
Durant
Curry
....COMBINED
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Jordan is the only player in NBA History to average over 30+ for a career in the playoffs. He averaged 33.6ppg for a Playoff career, by FAR better than anyone else.
On top of that, Jordan has the HIGHEST career PER average in the regular season, the Playoffs AND NBA Finals HISTORY.
Lol @ Kobe being 🐐
If Kobe is YOUR goat, your standards are Low. Period.
@@massdagodthough I agree that Jordan has a slight edge over Kobe, I must say that Prince and Hamilton never locked up Kobe. That year Kobe was throwing a hissy fit and stopped competing. This was very clear because of locker room issues.
@@thepolitecanadian4764so basically kobe quit on his team which is something he has done more than once
Black mamba…there’s a reason why so many players pick him over anyone not named Michael Jordan….just pointing that out for all the Bronsexuals out there.
There's also a ton of players,coaches, and gms that pick Lebron over anyone not named Michael Jordan.
@@xaviervega468there are more coaches and players that put Kobe before LeBron
Might hurt a lot of Stan’s feelings but neither Kobe or LBJ are top 3. Kobe isn’t top 3 cause he’s not even the one or two best players to play for the Lakers. That’s KAJ and Magic. And LBJ can’t be top 3 cause he has 6 losses. All this video is your opinion on why Kobe is better than LBJ. Which you can make that case. But anywhere near Jordan? Nah.
Great ! Most Kobe fans on the internet make us look bad because they stop the argument at “mentality”
In this day of analytics and inflated stats where guys are playing less minutes but scoring more points including both KD and LeBron if you look at their careers they play less minutes now than they used to but are scoring more now, Kobe is one of those players that you had to see him play to really appreciate him. If you just look at the stats it looks like LeBron is better across the board but if you watched them both play the eye test shows Kobe was more skilled and the better player.
LMAO are you serious??
A simple Google search shows lebron avg 2 more minutes.
Eye test shows Kobe chucking bad shots and refusing to pass to the open man. While it shows lebron being a team player while averaging more minutes
@@simonhowell4486 Dude what the hell are you talking about? LeBron last two years 37mpg/30ppg and 35mpg/29ppg. For his career he's 38mpg/27ppg. So he's not in his prime yet he's scoring more now per minute than he ever did. That means the game is easier to score now smh. As for Kobe him going through a rebuilding phase when Shaq left and then going to 3 straight finals and winning two chips without a top 75 player or a big 3 and beating the Celtics when they were better and younger is far more impressive than any title LeBron has ever won.
These young dudes don't understand what I test mean LOL they're so obsessed with LeBron stats 🤣🤣🤣
@@itshiho 2016 for Bron smokes any title Kobe ever won
@@xaviervega468 No it doesn't lol.
People who watched Kobe know he's better. I'm glad you're educating people. Another big point for me is, lebron always went to favorable situations to win. He would would play with top HOFers and then fill out the roster with underpriced mercenaries. He never went to the bottom and built back up to win. Even the Lakers - he did it at a time when the east was riding with a promise from magic that they guarantee they'll get a top 5 star, which was AD. In any other discipline in history, we always admire people who can go from nothing to the best. Why isn't this admired in basketball? Kobe literally stuck around on a team with where major minutes were going to Chucky atkins, Jordan farmar, Kwame brown, Chris mihm, Ronnie turiaf, Sasha vujecic, smush parker... One thing people don't discuss enough is quality of ring. Lebron played with more HOFers than Jordan and Kobe combined. Look it up. And he did so at time where super teams wasn't the norm of the league. The guy's rings are cheap. To me, Dirk's one ring is more valuable than all lebron's rings combined.
Homeless you seem very confused so let me help you when LeBron went back to Cleveland they were the worst team in the league the four years they were gone and they traded the number one pick for Kevin Love the first year they got to the finals and he had to play against Golden State without love and Kyrie Irving the next year when he had those two they beat Golden State may be the greatest team of all time just remember LeBron played against Kobe 22 times in one 16 times and dominated him almost every single game it was so one-sided I couldn't even watch it anymore I felt terrible for Kobe
@@SteveJones-re6pw yeah but they beat that team with four all stars. Lebron, Kyrie, love, and Adam silver. Suspended Draymond when the warriors had all the momentum when historically, the INSTIGATOR got more suspension, which in this case, was Lebron, and Lebron did not get a suspension stepping over someone and brushing their nuts upside a grown man’s head? Yeah, yeah admirable win indeed.
Think about this. He played 14 legitimate seasons without injury or coming off the bench - he made it to the finals HALF THE TIME!
During that time he averaged 27.1ppg 5.6rpg., 5.1ppg
5 Championships
2 finals mvp's
League mvp
2 gold medals
4x allstar game mvp's
15 all nba on offense
12 all nba selections on defense and remember During their Championship years with shaq the triangle offense ran through Shaquille o'neal but what if it ran through kobe instead of shaq something to think about
But it didnt. His accolades don't measure up sorry
@pambrown5625 it does either your just ignorant to agree or your just a hater
@@pambrown5625 you don’t understand the word context, clearly. Guaranteed bron stan.
Im saying 4 mvp 4 chips 4finals mvp. Jordan 5 mvp 6 chips 6 finals mvp. No bench riding no 7 PPG seasons no seasons being robin. What context I miss
Damn bro...you went completely off in this vid. You're 100% correct about everything you laid out. Can't argue hard-core facts, my man
You cant even do a Kobe video without hating on Bron lol
Another fun fact: Scottie Pippen is more impactful during the Bulls championship run than Shaquille O'Neal, Dennis Rodman and Pau Gasol combined.
What a load of shit. Shaq was the Finals MVP all 3 chips of the 3 peat.
Kobe is number 2 on my list period
Kobe is not top 5
@@wangtang12 why u say that if u go by stats kobe is right up there from 2005 to 2010 kobe was the best player in the league
@mjohnsonmj37 kobe is not top 5 all time. Go study the history of the NBA and you will find out why
@@wangtang12 I can accept Kobe being as high as 5. But no higher than that.
@xaviervega468 the highest kobe can go is 6 and even that is to high
Lebron used to busting Kobe ass tho Lmao. Even when he played against him in His first cavs season.
Kobe making out the west conference was more expressive than him winning the NBA finals. Tough tough az conference !!!!
RIP Bean! Thank you for keeping Kobe’s legacy intact. ESPN should be ashamed… Blatantly LYING on Kobe after he’s gone. Although Kobe’s TEAM lost alot head to head vs LeBron, KOBE was always the clear alpha when on the court against LeBron. It was really apparent due to LeBron’s size advantage too lol…
Lebron killed him in the stats as well. Revisionist history ain't gonna work.
@@xaviervega468 Lol Bronsexual, have you ever heard of context? Reciting statistics without context is meaningless and can lead to false conclusions like the bullshit you just wrote. Keep eating Bron’s meat lol #RIPBean
@@Black-my4un What context do you need with their stats AGAINST EACH OTHER? But go ahead and keep inhaling Kobe's rotting ballsack.
Your Greatest video of All time!!!! Thank you sir!
The reason I don’t like the if Lebrun played in the west he wouldn’t win argument is ok so let’s put Lebron on the Spurs with Pop or let’s put Bron on the suns with Nash or let’s put Bron on those Dallas teams you see where I’m going with this it’s a bunch of what ifs y’all act like Bron would’ve been by himself he arguably would’ve had better teams. To be honest Kobe not taking that 06 cavs team to the finals lol
People are gonna say when Kobe lost in 1st round that Shaq Malone and GP left and they were stuck with Kwame and sorry teammates…look at LeBron’s first final team they were even more sorry but he still found a way to get them to the finals.
@@aaronnguyen3809 Exactly but they going to just say it’s cause Bron was in the weak east. People have have revisionist history when it comes to Kobe. He didn’t win again until he had a lethal team people act like he didn’t have young ariza Lamar Odom Ron Artest Gasol and Andrew Bynum along with one of the greatest coaches that’s why I say context is everything
You put Kobe on that Heat team, they would have won 4 straight!!!!
WTF are you talking about??!!!!!
Dream had Drexler that second year who was top 75
Bruh I’m sorry but your the goat 🐐
And let's be honest. The bubble was not played in an actual playoff environment. It was more of a scrimmage with no fans, no travelling back and forth to the opposing city. Yet home boy was beating his chest and asking for his "damn respect" as if he faced a serious opponent.
Which means everyone was a their absolute best, with no travel time and no distractions. And everyone was playing by the same circumstances.
I'm not taking Kobe over mj, Kareem, magic, bird, bill Russell, Shaq, I might even take tim Duncan over Kobe if they were in the same draft knowing what I know now
He is glorified shot jacker.
Kobe would have made all those players look silly trying to guard him. Stop it
Hakeem won with Another Top 75 player in Clyde Drexler in 1995 but 1994 Hakeem won his first chip without another Top 75 player
LeBron played with the most star players, and got the most help of any player in NBA history! Maybe ESPN will do a 30 for 30 on that 🤔
@@xavicastorena4739 ok now you move the goal post saying in their prime , that’s laughable!
@@B.NICE302well that should matter because you did the same thing
@@B.NICE302You did the same goofy tf yu talking about😂
@@jaylenflanagan1295 so now we resorted to name calling. I understand, summer school can be tough 😂😂😂
@@xavicastorena4739 Revionist history is every Kobetard's favorite subject.
He is in the 11-15 range max.
Why?
-Is he arguably the greatest in his position? No.
-Was he the best in his era? No. Shaq and / or Duncan
-3/5 FMVP won by Shaq
-2nd biggest chocke in the finals from a superstar (vs Pistons). In the sit down with Shaq, he admitted it was his fault.
-Without Jackson as a coach, he missed the playoffs.
-Great player but im not an emotional fanboy.
Facts only.
I don't care what anybody say I grew up watching Michael Jordan as a child. I'm the same age as Kobe Bryant born the same year. After seeing them both play I personally think Kobe did things that nobody else could even do any played in the hardest defensive error era. Of the NBA. In which the NBA did not want him to be the best player of this time.
Because he aint the best player all Time 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
Kobe is the diet version of MJ.
Very entertaining show i concur wholeheartedly with every word you said, and it is fact i was sitting here hoping you were going to say that 2009-2010 season because Kobe was on a mission that entire season including the postseason and that's exactly the same case i have been making to LBJ fans on why i have kobe at 2 in my top 5 all-time list glad you pointed it all out for them hopefully they gain some knowledge from this ... again great show 💯✌🏿
Bro you Twerk so hard for kobe lmfao. Top 3 ain’t no way 🤣😭😭😭 he’s borderline top ten
The fact that some people have kobe before LeBron is just wild
Kobetardation is a mental disease.
The fact that you made this comment is wild
The fact that LeBron couldn't win a gold medal until Kobe joined the team. 😂😂😂
This was just bias w no proper context. I agree the east was weaker but still doesn't deny the finals competition was much tougher for lebron.
I mean lebron never faced 3 top 75 players in the finals but Kobe did
@@Derbear007 steph, Kd, duncan, kawhi, dirk? Or were you just kidding
Kobe had sub par series against lakers . His team mates made most of the big plays
The poll is biased, it’s like me going to a Lebron fan page & asking the same question. The dreamerspro page is filled with Kobe stans, and before someone says okay “Lebron fan boy” I’m from the Bay & watch my team give Lebron & Company 3Ls in the finals…..
You’re not a Lebron fan…fine but you are a casual…
@@peda15he’s telling facts, the only place you will see people saying Kobe is better than Lebron is on channels like this. Hoopshype did a poll last summer on who was better between Lebron and Kobe and Lebron won the poll, and that poll was a way larger scale than this channel.
@@jaydot4956 it’s because casual fans like yourself swallow whatever the media feeds you. The fact that Kareem was never in this “goat debate” is very telling. Causal fans can digest MJ and Lebron. It’s very simple. I ask ppl all the time when exactly did Lebron pass Kobe. They rarely have an answer. It’s because the media fast tracked Lebron ahead of everyone else (including Kareem) to vault him into this nonsensical debate when MJ and Lebron are the only 2 participants
@@peda15 so I’m a casual because I think Lebron is better even though Lebron is better at everything other than mid range shooting? Lebron also has more individual accolades and was beating Kobe every time they played (even when Kobe had the better team). Your telling people to ignore stats, accolades, video evidence of Lebron beating Kobe a majority of the time. The only thing you Kobe fans have is that he has one more ring than Lebron lol.
@@jaydot4956 LeBron is better at everything except for mid range jump shots? I guess Kobe making 12 all defensive NBA teams compared to Lebron’s 6 equates to LeBron being a better defender.
Yes you are a casual 😅
Thank you bro for this video
He shot 6/24 in game 7 in the finals.
Everyone shot bad in game 7 KG Paul said it was more about defense reb then scoring
@@jjohnson4013 excuses
sure did....and won that game with his efforts on the boards....only Finals I have seen that rebounds mattered more than points
@@LS-is-here excuses and deflection
@@Cochise313 go watch the interview also it was the lowest game in NBA finals history the team that won reb is the team the won.the game fun fact kobe is the only guard in NBA finals history to grad 15 reb
Family is from the Chi and I'm an 80s baby. I'm MJ allllll day! But the Only person who could EVER get MJ would be Kobe Bean Bryant. R.I.P Kobe we're always going to ride for you. MJ is 1A and Kobe is 1B Hands down!
Im going to be real , no one was talking about Kobe being in the top 3 before his horrible passing.
Yeah because so many folks have been brainwashed by the media. They lead y’all to believe that KAJ wasn’t in the goat conversation. When ppl die early it gives folks time to be reflective on their greatness and truly appreciate it
I'm a big Kobe fan and he was outstanding those three years but he did also have the best front line in basketball with Gasol, Odom & Bynum. It was basically unfair defensively and rebounding wise.
How many games do they win if he doesn't play? You think they get the 8 seed?
@@divanhawkins2539 Probably not. He was their best player. My argument, and I should have been more clear, is that Kobe didn't beat the Thunder or the Celtics or any team. The Lakers team that he was on did. I'm so tired of people like Charles and pretty much everyone saying stuff like Kobe won 5 rings, Jordan won 6 rings. Kobe won zero rings, the Lakers teams that he was on won 5 rings. Jordan won zero rings. The Bulls teams that he was on 6 rings. Yes, they were the best player ( well Shaq was a little better for their 3peat) but main point is that it's a team game. When Kobe didn't have the best frontline in basketball and was playing with Kwame Brown, the Lakers didn't get out of the first round, even though he was in his absolute prime in 2006 I'd say if I had to pick one year. Everyone needs everyone like Jeff Van Gundy famously once said. Jordan would be the first to admit this. When his team lost to the Magic in 95 he stated they were missing a Horace Grant. Next season they got Rodman, won 72 games and 3peated. No way they win even one of those 3 championships without Rodman. I'm not going at you at all if it seems like I am. I am going at all these people that make these foolish statements like Jordan was 6-0 in the finals and treating basketball like it's an individual sport like tennis or golf. Bill Russell is another that would've been the first to acknowledge how all those championships were a team accomplishment.
@@wowo29 these are all facts...the point in these arguments tho is that the best players get all the credit and all the blame...just like Bron gets propped up saying he went to 10finals its all relevant in the GOAT comparison...we all know basketball is a team accomplishment but just like football quarterbacks get blame and credit 🤷🏾♂️
@@wowo29a man of culture much respect for you my man to recognize how deep that frontcourt was in the big picture.
They want to make it seem like it was all kobe, but the reality was that Phil Jackson put together a frontcourt that could slow Tim Duncan one night and wear down Dirk/KG the next night.
Dude… this is just sad… I love Kobe, but your so desperate to try to make Kobe look like he’s far above Lebron… 6-16 Record against him. Talk about that. Shaq was the main man for those 3 Champs. Lebron was never second fiddle.. I’m not even a Lebron Fanboy.
But Kobe never faced a Team like the warriors, Curry/Klay/Durant/Green
Klay could easily be considered top 75. Draymond DPOY.
I wish I could give this video 1000 likes. You bodied this one bro!
For someone who is constantly blaming the media for manipulating people, you are a pretty good manipulator yourself. Kobe Bryant top 3 of all time, give me a break! Having him top 5 is crazy, having him top 3 is just madness!
I’m telling you😂
Keep them takes coming! This is by far the best Kobe take EVER!
Let me repeat I am not a KOBE FAN. I am not a Kobe fan and never was. If I have to be completely honest KOBE is better than LBJ. They love to bring up 3-1 vs suns. Name me one time he pulled a 2011 Miami vs Dallas????????? Kobe is very disrespected!!! After his career I got to admire him more. I was a MAJOR KG FAN due to seeing him his entire career starting at Farragut in Chicago. So I wanted him to win so bad and that 2010 finals KOBE had a quarter for the ages! I never heard nobody refer to the Celtics team as a superteam UNTIL LBJ was losing to them. Kobe BEAT THEM IN THE FINALS!!!!!!!!! He didn’t have a loaded roster to do it!!! Keep up the good work charles!
2004 va the Pistons
@@xaviervega468and Kobe won 3 championships before that
Next can you make one of these entitled “ The Epic Run that solidified Lebron as an All-Time Great? Oh my bad you Hate him too much to do that…
What run?