Thank you for bringing attention to this case, I have been to countless rallies since the 90s and went to see his commencement speech at Evergreen College many many years ago
The documentary Long Distance Revolutionary (2012) does a good job telling Mumia's story, especially in relation to MOVE, and the movement for his freedom (and all political prisoners) that has formed.
I respect your opinion but when we talk about "Hoteps" that's not really radical thought. It just means a black person that takes the "African" in African American serious enough to start educated themselves on Africa. Thats it. When we talking about the Panthers they wasn't that "radical" they was just tired of being brutalized and killed so they wanted to find a way to fight against that. Its not radical to be like look if the police are gonna just go crazy every time they encounter us then we have to start defending ourselves. Especially when that defense has steps that can be taken like filming the police that patrol your areas as visual proof of their actions with the community. Thats just practical steps. I don't see white liberals as loving these type of black people. I see them as trying to deal with a situation they can't avoid once they start having dialogue with black people who realize that their blackness is not looked upon in the same way your everyday white people are.
Completely unrelated but I was struck by a memory from middle school where my sorta stoner-y classmate was absolutely shat on by TWO teachers at once for trying to deliver an actually solid presentation on Jimi Hendrix and his influence on Rock music because it was "promoting drug culture" but let the presentations on Elvis and the Beatles go unchallenged. Shoutouts to you Brent, you were a real one that period.
Sounds like what happened to me in a music theory class when I tried to link rock music back to often-uncredited delta blues. Got failed, but of course, the guy who wrote a glowing(if high school novice) summary of Elvis's life got full marks.
@@JFirecracker If it means anything, two classes I took on the subject recently (one in HS and one in college the year after) acknowledged the influence of the blues on rock and roll and extensively covered them. Then again this is in a large, fairly liberal city so like a lot of things in American education YMMV
Jesus, that's fuckin wild. Basically just saying the quiet part aloud. In spanish class in highschool, we had to make day of the dead altars for a dead celebrity and I made mine for jimi. I didn't get any push back from teachers, but the class was majority white and majority "believed he cut his forehead open and dipped his head band in acid to trip while he performed", soo.... Which isn't even how acid works on top of how ridiculous that is.
As a black leftist, admittedly I am also obsessed with hoteps and hoteppery in general because I find it funny. Dr. Umar is a well of unintentional comedy lol
I had a conversation with a hotep and he believed we used to breed with animals in Egypt …because of things like the sphinx existing in ancient Egypt. The “hotep” community has devolved into madness and I don’t think the stigma will ever leave it. We need another image of someone who is “Pro Black”
Hoteps were never "pro-black". They're capitalist, imperialist and nationalist. They're just bigoted assholes who use skin color as a bat to beat people over the head with. They're "pro black if you by black mean" American, rich and ADOS. But the last one is questionable, since they hate Caribbean people, who are undoubtedly ADOS.
i was friends with a hotep. i stopped being friend with he called my ancestor beliefs and culture (i’m yoruba) demonic. he also took me to the cherokee reservation and said black people aren’t african.
@@dresavbeatz4431 Because they are yoruba or what??? what in that sentence even remotely indicated they are a hotep. I really hope you don't consider embracing the culture of your lineage to be anything related to being a hotep because that is literally the opposite of the point of this video and the exact negative impact these guys put into the world. My family is half hausa and half yoruba, if i told them were all actually the ' true people' or started talking about yakub they would be very confused, hoteps are mostly an american phenomenon.
@@perhaps1094 it seems you have a negative connotation next to the word "hotep". The term comes from Anicent Africa specifically Kemet, yet you all group it with Israelites.
Thank you for this, I felt seen and validated as I am SO discouraged to find so much anti Africanism in spaces inhabited by disapora black people. Recently I have been told that we are the original Scottish, English, Egyptians (which is, at least IN a part of Africa) Native American, "Hebrews" and Moors. The disgust they have towards West Africa and our shared ancestry is palpable and not ONE of them have bothered in the slightest to do even the most tiny bit of research towards West Africa, instead they will spend time putting white Royals into blackface, learning new languages, traditions and foods that have NOTHING to do with us, appropriating these cultures, all because they have a lot of hatred towards our origin story.
Isn't what's happening is that race is being dissociated from class? So Meghan Markle can be a victim even though she's at the pinnacle of the British class system.
That part about not doing research on actual African history is the realest part. And to think that most of these confusions would not happen if they just READ.
At the same time it's understandable. Society props up the ideas of empire and "civilization", hell America was formed with the idea of reaching Roman heights of empire. So, it's understandable why many black folks are pulled towards the empires that are presented in our history classes, and since West African history isn't taught beyond slavery, brings them to believe there is some hidden truth. Unfortunately, I've had these run-ns at work, I'm mixed (Greek, Mexican, and West European), but when discussing the dynamics of oppression during Spanish colonization they freaked out on me. They went off on a tangent on how "red natives" aren't the true natives, I was caught off guard and extremely confused at the time, lol. They basically began arguing that the red natives committed genocide on the black natives and collaborated with the Spanish to cover it up. On another note, my best friend is Jamaican, and found out he is primarily of Igbo descent. I told him there is a large Igbo population where we live, regularly having festivals, and would support him if he was interested in learning about the culture. He turned down the offer, saying that Africa has negative cultural stigmas (beheadings, r@p3, forced marriages, etc.). So, I guess white supremacy runs deep 🤷.
I remember rocking a Free Mumia shirt to middle school back in 2002 and my (white) teacher sent me to the principals office for what she said was “promoting violence” and told me Mumia was a “cop killer.” Fortunately the vice principal (a black man) took one look at my shirt and sent me straight back to class.
@@kayp4601 Cops are black man killers, and rarely even get fired. And trying to say that he must be guilty because he lost appeals in our judicial system, you need better arguments.
Couldn't agree more about the teaching of History. It's not a perfect book but Howard Zinn's People's History of the US was a lightbulb moment for me, but I didn't read it until college. I worry about kids in school now where anything that goes against American historical mythology is banned.
As a historian, I would like to recommend Jill Lepore's These Truths, which succeeds in what Howard Zinn set out to do without neglecting historical method. There are structural educational issues in teaching history, for sure Edit: As per discussion below, it's best to also supplement this book with 1491 by Charles Mann and Custer Died For Your Sins by Vine Deloria Jr.
At least in TN, our standards have improved significantly in how they discuss a lot of the issues raised here. Not Pan-Africanism specifically but more in how they incorporate black history and outsider perspectives into the curriculum
Another great video, I grew up with two educators for parents in a multinational trini-american home. My mother was a very proud Trinidadian woman, but always prompted black unity regardless of nationality. It's disheartening when I see friends quoting ADOS or family abroad disparaging black Americans like if black solidarity is a thing of the past. Appreciate both FD and Andrew's channels for it's nuanced, groundedness compared to the sensationalism that turns these discussions into Dr. Umar caricatures.
Is using the tools of the oppressor appropriate? The invention of whiteness was a way to unify various European Americans against their slaves and the natives. A way to clamp down on class consciousness, especially against the early solidarity between "black" and "white" indentured servants. "Black" unity and "red" unity and whatever else are just as fraudulent, if an understandable reaction. We should celebrate the diversity of cultures and politics across the globe and within our own communities, and lean into that. Practically, you are never going to get the wealthy to undermine their own power in the name of racial solidarity. That's what the lower classes engage in, thanks to generations of propaganda.
When we say ADOS we don't mean that we hate any other black people in the diaspora. I identify as ADOS but I respect the diaspora as a whole. Just like you say you're Trinidadian but I didn't take that as meaning that you hate all non Trinidadians. You just mentioned a fact. We are all black people but we do have some differences when it comes to culture that can't be ignored. That doesn't mean we can't work together or that we have to hate each other. I don't follow Tariq Nasheed or any other person who tries to speak badly about other non ADOS blacks. Those guys are doing more harm than good.
I'm haitian, and honduran both of my parents are black its interesting having two black-latino parents who were raised mostly in american and also are proud of being black especially in places like honduras where my mom was always talked down to by the white and mestizo hondurans, more people need to realize cutlurally these places are different but its all rooted in africans trying to bring their cultures back to places where they were stripped of it, most people wouldnt even know that honduras is demographically a very black/african country just looked up the honduran national soccer team and youll get a good summation of what most hondurans looks like its just that alot of them were taight to dent their blackness which is why alot of them will say theyre "indian". People tend to think black issues are exclusive to only america, trust me its not, go to brazil and youll see the drastic difference in how black people and white people live there. Its even worse there than anything here
@@fcdraw I'm referring to the anti immigrant group more so than the term. However the term is also problematic and divisive. I'm black First, Trinidadian and American in nationality. Both my parents are technically American descendants of slaves father American, mother Trinidadian. As slavery existed long before both nations and were transported freely between the Americas that includes the Caribbean and South America. The way the term is used as a substitute for both nationality and ethnic identity is the problem it's the opposite of solidarity or Pan-Africanism. Like the kids that would tell me I wasn't black or my family wasn't black when I was growing up.
I agree with andrewism that history has been intentionally distorted to focus on great figures as opposed to the masses, although I think that human psychology also plays a role in our collective focus on great individuals. Focusing on an individual provides the viewer with someone they can identify and emphasize with. Role models provide people with guidance when they are unsure as to how they should get past difficulties in their own lives. Even in the mythologies of the past and popular media today, the stories we tell tend to revolve around a person rather than around the people. Even if this is a natural tendency, though, Andrewism is right that we need to teach more "people's histories" and focus less on great figures.
Historian here, indeed, there is a bias towards "great man history". Popular history is in general "great man history" because its a nice story. Prior to Marxism, history did not really have people's history, but since the 1900s, really exploding in the 1970s and the 1980s, histories nowadays are almost exclusively sociocultural histories. The issue is that education is structured in such a way that political and "great man history" is almost exclusively taught due to standards and syllabi or lack thereof. Structurally, education distorts history, when the academic practice of history has been far from that for some time (though there are still some annoying figures doing history). Another issue is that people's history is hard, and to do it you need a grab bag of sources, using archaeology, anthropology, oral history, geography etc. to obtain a remotely accurate picture and even then there's a ton of blanks. We're working on it though, and it is definitely good to consult a few recent history books to see the new approach. You want to specifically search microhistory, social history, or cultural history on the topic you're interested in FYI P.S. Howard Zinn's book does not have a high reputation in historian circles. A better one is Jill Lepore's These Truths, which succeeds at what Howard Zinn set out to do without failing at proper historical method. And it's even more recent and more updated. That being said, discussion in another comment, has reminded me of the problems in this singular book and as such it is best to also read 1491 by Charles Mann and Custer Died For Your Sins by Vine Deloria Jr.
This is too accurate. In South Africa, the focus is always on Mandela and its created its own beast. The ending of apartheid was a movement that the entire country was involved in. Mandela was a important figure but not the be all end all. Whilst his legacy has only been used to enrich his family creating a new capitalistic class which is specifically what Mandela advocated against in his perspective on Socialism/Communism
Main issue though is peoples history only really works for modern times. From the early modern period and before, it's insanely difficult to do without giant gaps since most people of the working and peasant classes didn't write down much
I did a spit take, every day I find some new Dr. Umar gem. I can't wait for the inevitable documentary...the HBO one, not the one he self produces(I assume)
@@sizwesokopo281 well I never watched it so I can't vouch for it, but that youtuber made an Umar "shockumentary" years ago too 😂 Umar has been pretending to open up a school for a LONG TIME th-cam.com/video/Ehj2hOfi2cc/w-d-xo.html
I bet if you broke it down at least half the grits sold were for white people. You know it's pretty common in the south and just by numbers there have to be a lot of white people eating them.
My only real life interaction with Hoteps is when I took my wife to a fancy restaurant in Atlanta for her birthday and they were preaching along the street and yelled at us "You are with the enemy sister, do you not have any time for your brothers anymore?" despite the fact I'm middle easterner and not even white. If nothing else it made us laugh the whole dinner and I'm still a hardcore leftist
It doesn’t matter that you aren’t white, it’s because you aren’t black. Hoteps are against interracial dating. Especially black women with non-black men.
my dad tried to start a program in the park service that connects the homefront effort and the black workforce at the time to the black panther movement on the west coast and was almost fired by the us government. he's lucky he's yt or who know what would have happened 💀
I'm happy that we are moving on from the kidology thing. I've accepted that she leans into moderate views and it may take her reading more leftist canons to understand why her arguments are the most genuine. Listening to this conversation was refreshing. I Love hearing people talk about pan-Africanism in a healthy way. Understanding that nowadays many people who are associated with pan-Africanism completely misrepresent the true spirit of the ideology.
I think for white people a liberal or someone on the left is a person who thinks anti black racism is a problem. But thinking anti black racism is a problem is an extremely common belief amongst black Americans no matter their political beliefs. I think Umar is a conservative.
@@davidtaylor142 I don’t think Umar is a fascist, although he might be. I haven’t followed his beliefs too deeply. To be honest all I know about Umar comes from the incident he had with a woman he labeled the conscious stripper. Basically Umar said he was celibate and this woman says he was having sex with her. And instead of dealing with the situation in a respectful manner, Umar took to attacking this women and calling her all sorts of demeaning names. That was enough for me to be like oh this man is a clown. The second thing I watched of Umar is he had an issue with another content creator in the same space, and he made a video calling this man out and he was cursing and threatening this man and calling him names. More evidence to me he was a clown. Then I watched a documentary made by another TH-camr which showed clips of Umar saying disturbing stuff about murdering 10% of black boys, and his fake school he is supposedly starting which looks like a scam to get money from people. The murdering 10% of all black boys stuff to me is rooted in anti black racism. I guess it could be considered fascist too.
@@tm7517 I was referring to how he completely agrees with everything Kanye West has said. He's just not a raging dumbass like West is Edit: I didn't know about the murdering 10% thing, that's real fucked
Just a point of clarification: While the upper leadership in the BPP were Marxists (more MLMs), the rank and file of the movement had all sorts of beliefs, and that divide is one of the things that split the BPP in some cities. There's no shortage of anarchists that came out of the BPP that will say as much (Ashanti Alston, for example).
They were MLs with some learnings of Maoism but not fully MLMs, or not in the same vein of what we think today as MLMs (Pro-Gonzalo, anti AES states like NK, Cuba, etc. They supported all socialists countries, specially third world socialist as opposed to European ones).
Yeah, and that happened because they grew so quickly they couldn't do the ideological work. When Huey P and em started the party, the first thing you got was a reading list, because they understood that revolution has to have a scholarly grounding behind it. But they grew so quickly, and some, like me, believe Seale was, at some point, FBI, that they couldn't control the scholarly impact. That's why, after Dr Huey was released from jail and the party was in shambles, he tried to start again with ideologically grounding his own faction. That's the reason I'm so focused on pan African-centered ideological education.
1:19 killed me lol Thank you for this discussion. I’m always apprehensive about the way some people on the left speak about some subjects where it’s glaringly obvious they don’t have the right perspective. I have learned over the years to hold my tongue in some spaces and stay in my lane/avoid certain discourses; but finding resources can be hard sometimes.
I hope that Mumia abu Jamal gets released. Move sounds like it was an amazing project so awful what happened to it. Power to you for talking about this and bringing attention to support it.
To be somewhat fair to Shaka King (The director of Judas and The Black Messiah who is highly radical himself, watch his interviews) a film being only 2 and a half hours is not the proper format to explore the black panthers and their ideology of Marxist-Leninism. We should look for a series or something at this point.
@@Nino.ElectricSoul “About” is a bit of a stretch. It was more of a comparison between the two ideologies. It’s not like the Snitch was viewed as victorious in the end.
@@Nino.ElectricSoul I’m confused, so did the movie not do its job? I don’t think the movie was supposed to be this huge “how-to” guide to the black panthers.
If the movie you're talking about was Judas and the Black Messiah, I thought it did an alright job making their Marxist-Leninist perspective shown. They didn't linger on it, but I definitely walked away more aware of their leftist ideas moreso than any other depiction of the Black Panthers (which is, admittedly, a low bar)
To me the focus seemed more on the pan-racial aspect, and of course the operative fellow (gotta show the contrarian black people). I thought it was a good movie and good intro to Fred Hampton, but it only brushed the surface.
@@BxBxProductions Exactly my point. OP is just another vile participant in colonialism. No different then any occupier forcing their culture and language onto indigenous peoples children.
I'll never be able to understand how some black people can hate the likes of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara so much when they were the loudest and biggest supporters of Pan-African liberation movements. Even going as far as helping to fund (Fidel) and in some cases fighting on the ground (Che) with African freedom fighters during their struggle for independence. Housing our political asylum seekers (Assata Shakur) refuge from the enemy. There's a really badass picture of my grandfather standing next to Fidel in the early 1970s and I proudly post that picture every chance I get. Because the reality is that while the U.S. and other Western governments were killing us in cold blood, the Cuban govt (and many countless others) were arming us and helping us to fight our White Supremacist enemies. But because History education is so shitty in this country, many black people have been taught to see the likes of Fidel and Che as the villains. I'm by no means saying they were perfect. Just like Robert Mugabe wasn't perfect. But they were the type of freedom fighter their respective countries needed at that time.
Fidel was responsible for having the healthiest population of people of African descent in the world at one time. Eclipsing even the US which was still segregated.
@M V I legit think all of that was canceled out by what he actually did. He literally did better when he knew better, and died for liberation that he didn't really need; he'd still have been OK because the only place white Hispanics are people of colour, is in the USA
I do not argue with people about Fidel because he did some good things but as a Caribbean person that knows Cuban people he literally oppressed the loved ones of one of my closest friends. He was a Leftist Dictator but still a dictator and that is a problem even if he had some Pro Black ideals.
I am grateful for my upbringing. There is so much I want to say about the academic plantation, our relationship to the idea of intelligence and our livelihoods & worth being attached to economic output. It’s hard to dismantle the system from inside. But knowing the lay of the land is necessary. Definitely going to read up on Mumia Abu-Jamal
This is a lot less of a leftist idea but can you one day do a video about Black Hair. And your journey with your hair as well as the importance of hair among black people? Asking because I am trying to put to words the experience of being black and having locs or dreads. Or explaining that I had to learn to love my black hair.
I'm also confused about black hair, (I'm not black) I keep getting mixed messages and since it's online I'm not sure if what activists say is relevant for the whole community there are other voices that say it's not relevant, but who is telling me that? I'm not familiar enough with black communities to know where each of them stand on things like non blacks wearing dreads. I had totally gotten 100% in on nonblacks can't wear black hairstyles, which they all sound like a lot of work, so I'm too low maintenance to even bother. But I feel like I should try to understand. Are those other voices just white trolls? How can I tell in the future?
@@steggopotamus This one is a bit complicated but I'll try to simplify it. You can usually tell who the white trolls are by the fact that, in their incorrect "arguments" about black hair, they don't understand the concept of *cultural assimilation* and how that greatly informs how black people style their hair. But on the Black side of this, you will find black people who don't understand it either (as well as bad faith actors). Because as this video points out, there are many among us who don't know their history. You'll often find them agreeing with white trolls on this point. (The opinion of the activists, on this issue, is more in line with the opinions that most black people congregate to. Even if they don't necessarily have the vocabulary to express it.) I'd say those two groups are (at least in the US) the overwhelming majority of people who say that black hair styles being used by non black people, for any reason doesn't matter (and they often follow this up with cultural appropriation isn't a thing, cultures don't belong to people blah, blah, blah). Also just a quick side, non blacks wearing dreads isn't necessarily the problem (unless it's done in a manner to racistly mock black people or cultures who wear dreads). Many different cultures have types of dreads, the styles those cultures have were usually worn for 100s - 1000s of years, that's not really what ticks off black people about the conversation regarding the usage of dreads. The problem is often the refusal to admit that the kind of style that was popularised in the west (which often goes on to influence popular culture in different places around the world), was done by black cultures and that it's that style that is often what is trying to be emulated in the west. This is almost always done in attempt to claim that black people have absolutely no part to play in the conversation surrounding dreads, their use, or any claim to the style as a distinct part of specific black cultures whatsoever. This along with the fact that those same people say the racist stigmatisation of specifically black people who wear dreads, especially in comparison to non black people who wear dreads is just fiction, and that these four points: (1) black cultures popularising the style in the west, (2) other people emulating that style in the west as a result, (3) while simultaneously telling black people that they have nothing to do with most people wearing dreads in the west, (4) while also saying any anti black sentiment towards black dread heads doesn't exist, apparently have nothing to do with each other. And all of this is (ironically enough) often "backed up" by saying what I said earlier about other cultures having the hairstyle.
If you are from southern California prison radio was on 90.7 KPFK. This was 10 years ago but he would make tapes and send them out to radio stations. As for online Democracy Now has had a long standing relationship with Mummia Abu Jamal.
But what makes him so toxic? I don't know if you've been keeping up with him, but he literally about to open the school hes been promising for years. Did you even watch his most recent Breakfast Club 105.1 interview?
@@petette4442 This is the thing, it's the fact that he's pro-black that that makes you feel this way. Its always that. Every person ive met who say Dr. Umar is a rwcist is saying it because he airs oit the dirty laundry of those that pretend to be pro-black and thats bothersome. I get it. Its hard hearing someone that's unapologetically African. But that dowsnt make him hateful or racist.
I grew up and still live in the deep south. I found the hoteps here interesting and although I'm not a fan I'd like to think I understand why it would feel empowering.
Pan-africianism and Panthers played a huge role in decolonising the pacific and SEA too, as colonised people around the world read those writers and those leaders. The Polynesian Panthers were amazingly influenced and impactful and have also been deleted from the record and re-written in films, depolitised and toned down to appease colonial feelings 'Hotep' conspiracies and thoughts have been very influential over here too in the radical Māori churches as well. Leaders came over in the 70s and 80s to support local movements and had huge impact for good and bad.
thanks for the video, this is something ive struggled with a lot as an egyptian person in black spaces. i don't want to be judgmental but some uncles are out here doing the most. i also would say there are 1000s of mumias and people should find other incarcerated folks and correspond with them as well.
He’s an entertainer, and one of the funniest. Anybody who wants to have a serious discussion about him should be slapped. He has some good points but nobody should follow him.
It’s a black patriarchy thing, often with odd anti west African bias stirred in, they often claim other cultures as black and stuff(claiming the real native Americans were black and that Natives are actually white people being one of them). They often are pulled up by white people as a problem despite them being a very small minority that no one takes seriously. That’s as much as anyone should know imo
i liked the old title of this video better. the point and the message of the video was a lot clearer. this new title seems like it is more focused on trying to sneak diss a certain youtube debate bro.
Thanks, it's a gamified process. In a perfect world I'd have just made "Free Mumia". But that would have gotten buried. Gotta give us grace for playing the game to win for the right reasons
From the bottom of my heart I disagree with you rhetorically on a lot on topics , even policy wise we really will never see eye to eye This video was perfect and as a black man in the political space it’s important and I thank you . Deeply .
Wait, how does I, a Swede of 37 years old, know for almost his entire life that The Black Panther party was socialist? Is it because we've not had the insane propaganda against socialism here, like in the US? Now don't get me wrong - we're following down the same path as the US, where socialism as an idea somehow has morphed into the root of all evil in the minds of people (particularly, those who talk about "good old days" - they seem to not be able to square the fact that we used to be more socialist, not less), even though the greatest part of the 20th century, we were pretty much only socialists here. From our perspective, it's always strange to hear "white washing" in these contexts, as if wanting to downplay socialism is somehow a white thing. No, it's a specifically American thing. Most of Europe either was downright socialists or heavily inspired and influenced by socialist thought.
It’s called white washing because there’s always been a racist aspect to the minamization of African American political dissent/ opinions. There were respected white socialist movements here. Not as respected as the pro capitalists, mind you. But they were seen as legitimate
I mean, the US plotted and enacted countless coups across the globe, purely for business interests. There has been a largely uninterrupted Red Scare going on across the country from at least the 'early '40s to the present day. There's going to be a tremendous amount of political and historical whitewashing in US education, because reality so often conflicts with the Great Man narrative of so much of US mythology.
I know this is late but while I agree with you, FD is speaking from an American perspective. Hes right that in the US taking radical politics out of radical movements is whitewashing. Many European countries have different historical trends.
Hoteps are such a new concept to me, because I grew up in a largely immigrant and refugee community, so much so there was a point I was the only kid in my age group who wasn't from Africa. So there wasn't a sence of Pan Africism, because there was very much an awareness from where they came from down to which village their family was from. Keeping in mind that much of the way nation states in Africa were formed was directly a result of colonialism (Berlin Conference and such).
This video talks about Pan - Africanism and barely, if any mentions any of the actual prominent African leaders involved in that ideology. From Kwame Nkrumah to Nelson Mandela, and their relationships with Black Americans, and the Black movement, the story is very skewed from the West on why it failed and the U.S. government's direct involved in it.
I do appreciate your point of view, and I am grateful for it. May I suggest, though, that "underpinnings" is like "pin" not "pine". It is the things that pin below the obvious surface. I worked with a young hotep woman, if that is a correct designation, who worried me because of her misinformation about history and the subservient position she had in her polygynous marriage. She was working to support a husband who did not work, but lived on what the women in the family brought in. He was a rabbi, perhaps a prophet, who seemed to me to be belittling her had her worth. I continue to feel sad for her now, 10 years later. I wonder if she is still in the same family.
COINTELPRO (syllabic abbreviation derived from Counter Intelligence Program; 1956-1971) was a series of covert and illegal projects actively conducted by the FBI aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic American political organizations. FBI records show COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals the FBI deemed subversive, including feminist organizations, the Communist Party USA,anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists of the civil rights and Black power movements (e.g. Martin Luther King Jr., the Nation of Islam, and the Black Panther Party), environmentalist and animal rights organizations, the American Indian Movement (AIM), Chicano and Mexican-American groups like the Brown Berets and the United Farm Workers, independence movements (including Puerto Rican independence groups such as the Young Lords and the Puerto Rican Socialist Party), a variety of organizations that were part of the broader New Left, and white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and the far-right group National States' Rights Party. Their involvement wasn't entirely equal, one hand drugging and assassinating Fred Hampton, the Deputy Chairman of the Black Panther Party, and one the other continuously funding KKK activities, including an incident where a civil rights worker was murdered by a group of klansmen, one of whom was an FBI informant according to the documents recovered. Unfortunately, most of the documents have been heavily redacted or destroyed.
As someone that was once apart of the black group that once had a community not far from Atlanta and had created the word hotep, it frustrates me to no end to see how the word is now associated with so much negativity. Hotep simply meant peace. The content from this video is very necessary tho.
I didn’t mentioned whether it was an Egyptian word or not because I didn’t think it was relevant. No one was using that word the way we were before we were and I’m taking about back in the late 90’s, early 00’s but we were an Egyptian centered community. So there’s no need to be an asshat with the name calling, grammar police. Also I guess you’ve never heard of typo.
1:20 Michael Brooks, from the Majority Report, was actually the only White Leftist - though Brooks I believe was Jewish or partly Jewish - in American politics who was thoroughly educated and very well-read in Black Nationalist and Pan African politics. He did a great job to attempt to introduce these politics to his White audience by inviting Black academics to MR to discuss Pan Africanist revolutionary figures, incl. figures like Sankara to CLR James to Du Bois. I was actually surprised to hear him, some months before his passing, remark about Achille Mbembe. Mbembe is a contemporary and controversial Black intellectual from the francophone world - you wouldn’t know who he is unless you’re actively engaged in contemporary African political thought. I genuinely do miss that guy’s insights in contemporary politics and US foreign policy. He was a good bridge and left such a void in online white US politics, particularly the online Left. The voices the American white online left is saturated with now are liberal charlatans like Ian, AKA Vaush, someone who feigns political expertise on subjects you can clearly hear he has never opened a single book on. Ian, whom I believe is racist and a misogynist, regularly engages with what are caricatures of Black Nationalist thought.
WBAI in New York Specifically Margret Prescod show Sojourner Truth. Great show...Demolished any lingering faith in the United States, I had at the time. Gerald Horne took care of the ashes. Glen Ford, Kwame Nkrumah's writings led me down the path of... Re-africanization? Reunification?
The real problem is we don't call out people who needs to be called out. We take one microscopic piece of truth crazy people say and say everything they are saying is the truth. This has NOTHING to do with white folk. You have people saying blacks are native Americans. The slave trade was a hoax...or...somehow...that America is mother Africa (the gulf of Mexico is suppose to be the fertile Cresent now). Black people ran the americas before columbus (even though decendents of natives are all around you)....you not suppose to question these people. I heard Umar say so many false things yet people cling on every word he says. Comedy Hype tried to compare what monique went through to the dude in the new Eddie Murphy movie is going through....which has NOTHING to do with each other. And we just eat this dumb shit up. It's like you not suppose to have critical thinking when it comes to black issues. Just believe what everybody says...even if it doesn't make sense
Thank God I thought I was the only person who seems to notice this BS. These are the dame people that will claim we are descendant of both Ancient Egyptians and Jews at the same time. They latch on and cl literally create their own version of history and it is ridiculous. You can't even have a discussion with them because they will just call you a coon or even bring up Bible verses that somehow "proves" their point.
@trade 21 I consider myself what you would probably label as neoliberal or liberal. To answer your question, which I sincerely hope is not bait to get me attacked... the easiest way to lay it out is that my background is very unlike what the left is used to understanding: "poor, impoverished black person from the hood". In other words, talking points and arguments for or from people of my background was extremely rare. For example, the left's view on college and loans were different from my own. I come from a place where college attendance is rare and miraculous if you even had the grades to get there, because our k-12 system is more unfair and impactful for people like me in my hometown, versus college being more attended and likely from young suburbanites who had better resources and circumstance from the jump. The left in general from my experience hyperfocuses so much of its moral issues and stances around a college-attending white person, as opposed to a poor black person who I see was less fortunate than the average left voter. With all the moral purity and rigidness of what they considered to be a "true leftist", it just felt tiresome and cult-like after awhile. I started to care less about fitting what a leftist thinks and naturally, the left actually left me more than I left it. I was ostracized quite a bit for simply not fully agreeing on several issues. The platform and people were just so unlike me, and to be honest, traditional liberals and democrats addressed and understood the issues from the hood better historically than leftists. So overall it's just a matter of pessimism and distrust in being seen and represented from the movement because almost everything they focus on, either has more harmful affects to people like me, or truly does nothing to help people like me.
@@HeroicGeno it seems like you are choosing a political identity because of the other people who might share that identity rather than the principles of that political identity. For me, every other leftist could be the most dog shit people in the universe, and it would not get me to change my politics by a single iota.
@Comrade Question if the people around me don't share my principles yet have the same identity, I see no reason to maintain that identity. The most common response to me leaving is always "leftism is actually about this" or "those people weren't true leftists". But it misses the entire point for me. I advocate for my life and experiences over all else. If they are not reflected by the people and I can only be told I still fit in despite that? I'd rather just go my own way at that point. Identity means nothing to me.
@@HeroicGeno Thanks for responding, and it wasn’t bait It was genuine interest on my part. I understand why you distanced yourself from leftism. Mainstream(read: white) leftism has a very bad habit of centering white and white europeans in its discussions and leaving out the majority of POC. When POC are mentioned most of the discussions come from outsiders with little to no understanding of context and Intersectionality. and in my opinion most big/popular mainstream leftists on social media come from a middle or upper class background and that tends to blind them to the struggles of people in a lower class than them. I come from a similar background and Even with all of the flaws that you and I mentioned I still Identify with Leftism. I seek out black/POC leftist creators because they bring up lots of talking points and arguments that the mainstream left would’ve never thought about simply because they have never experienced it. They also tend to understand Intersectionality and how it effects people and their perspectives. This comment is probably choppy because i’m typing it on my phone but Let me know If I need to clarify anything in it.
Most present day Black nationalists are not on the left. Now pan africanists I’m not too sure where they land. But black nationalists are conservatives almost universally
This is a gross exaggeration. There are plenty of black nationalists on the left. Not as many as before for obvious reasons, but social media personalities don't represent black nationalism.
The left right dichotomy fails you in understanding black politics. Black nationalists don't want to live/share a nation with other races. They want to work only for black people and black liberation. They don't care about the problems of the other communities, because in their mind they don't care about our problems. Is this left wing or right wing? Are they wrong?
I’m just starting this so you may talk about it by the end, but Umar Johnson specifically makes for very entertaining content. And its low key hilarious, it’s digestible. Like right now, I’m trying to build a small blog channel on TikTok to change a lot of narratives. I try to post as many black people as possible, from you to lil bill to Umar Johnson, to Tariq etc. what I’m learning is, it’s easier to get engagement with Umar in short 15-45 sec clips than it is with other folks. Simply because nuance thoughts take a lot longer to expand upon than simple catchy phrases. Long winded, but idk.
I live in the Midwest, and the closest thing to "Hotep" adjacent behavior I've seen in public was, ironically, a man offering to faith heal white people by getting them to announce that they "reject" their whiteness. And he was real friendly about it too, honestly. He was hugging people who went through it and everything.
Judas and the Black Messiah showcased a lot for it being from the perspective of the informant. Rainbow coalition, breakfast program, clinic. And obviously the self defense aspect of them. You just gotta read books because no 2hr film based on an informant is giving you theory.
Pan-Africanism also descends from the movement(s) of black separatism under slavery, which caused severe anxiety to slaveholders considering the persistent threat of slave rebellion, especially after both blacks and whites saw it happen in Haiti.
I would be really interested in your takes on the modern organization of the Black Panthers. It’s a pretty ballsy move taking the name, considering the *actual* history of the BPP and creating a working socialist system.
I have been waiting to see if you'd ever do a big look at Black Panther movies like Judas and the Black Messiah! Fingers crossed, because it would be great to get your more detailed thoughts on such things...
I think it's weird to call it an obsession, vaush had several hours on it across streams, but that's true about any topic he talks about. He did spend a lot of time on it, but no more so than any of his content. It's a lot in comparison to other creators because he streams exclusively and for like 4-8 hours a day so there's just a lot of everything there. Irregardless of if you were to agree with his perspectives, which I often don't, I don't think the amount of time he spends on a subject is ever really excessive or worth reading into.
My godmother is from Trinidad I’m Jewish, the obsession with Hoteps is they are “exotic” strange people, Vaush calls them Blotzis, which is a strange term. He called Kanye Blitler, i think. The real shocker is how the Hoteps are just ethnic fascists who aren’t “white “
Excellent discussion and glad to have recently stumbled on your channel. Philly born urban historian (focus on anthropological study of minority communities in the 20th specifically on gentrification and nonviolent resistance by skid row homeless communities) so learning about MOVE was very important in my development as a Marxist in hs and my path toward historical study
Lost me at Andrewism man but I'll keep watching a bit to see what you say. Signifier I haven't seen you pop up in a year and I was wondering if you were still a liberal and that kind of answers that for me. But again I'll stick it out for a bit to see
I'm surprised that you name-dropped MLism along the Black Panthers in a neutral-positive, that's awesome man. I have suspicions about Andrew's feelings on that but who knows, I'd be happy to be wrong twice.
As a half white native leftist (penelakut tribe from the west coast), I'm not obsessed with hoteps, in fact, I generally avoid conversation with them because I don't think there's any benefit from arguing with them, as both of our arguments come from a place of pain. We have two versions of reality that can't intersect: their version, which comes from their research, however biased and flawed, and my version, which comes from my own research (which will never come to the real truth on the history of the americas), and the oral record which was passed down through my ancestors. I'd rather work with them in decolonizing, and dismantling our governments, who are oppressing all of us.
Please check the links in the description for ways to support the release of Mumia Abu Jamal.
Thank you for bringing attention to this case, I have been to countless rallies since the 90s and went to see his commencement speech at Evergreen College many many years ago
Are you going to make a video on Dr umar Johnson?
The documentary Long Distance Revolutionary (2012) does a good job telling Mumia's story, especially in relation to MOVE, and the movement for his freedom (and all political prisoners) that has formed.
Because hoteps are a massive group and most, if not all blacks, share their disgusting way of thinking. So, why dont you own up to it?
I respect your opinion but when we talk about "Hoteps" that's not really radical thought. It just means a black person that takes the "African" in African American serious enough to start educated themselves on Africa. Thats it. When we talking about the Panthers they wasn't that "radical" they was just tired of being brutalized and killed so they wanted to find a way to fight against that. Its not radical to be like look if the police are gonna just go crazy every time they encounter us then we have to start defending ourselves. Especially when that defense has steps that can be taken like filming the police that patrol your areas as visual proof of their actions with the community. Thats just practical steps. I don't see white liberals as loving these type of black people. I see them as trying to deal with a situation they can't avoid once they start having dialogue with black people who realize that their blackness is not looked upon in the same way your everyday white people are.
Completely unrelated but I was struck by a memory from middle school where my sorta stoner-y classmate was absolutely shat on by TWO teachers at once for trying to deliver an actually solid presentation on Jimi Hendrix and his influence on Rock music because it was "promoting drug culture" but let the presentations on Elvis and the Beatles go unchallenged. Shoutouts to you Brent, you were a real one that period.
Sounds like what happened to me in a music theory class when I tried to link rock music back to often-uncredited delta blues. Got failed, but of course, the guy who wrote a glowing(if high school novice) summary of Elvis's life got full marks.
@@JFirecracker Lotta clueless teachers out there.
@@JFirecracker If it means anything, two classes I took on the subject recently (one in HS and one in college the year after) acknowledged the influence of the blues on rock and roll and extensively covered them. Then again this is in a large, fairly liberal city so like a lot of things in American education YMMV
@@LicoriceLainThey are not clueless, they know the truth.
They just don't want to give credit to anything Black.
Jesus, that's fuckin wild. Basically just saying the quiet part aloud. In spanish class in highschool, we had to make day of the dead altars for a dead celebrity and I made mine for jimi. I didn't get any push back from teachers, but the class was majority white and majority "believed he cut his forehead open and dipped his head band in acid to trip while he performed", soo.... Which isn't even how acid works on top of how ridiculous that is.
As a black leftist, admittedly I am also obsessed with hoteps and hoteppery in general because I find it funny. Dr. Umar is a well of unintentional comedy lol
What you mean "unintentional", one day he'll reveal he's actually a British thespian who's been friends with Sasha Barron Cohen since middle school
@@prehistoricwatergun0136 honestly, I would love that turn lol
This
@@tigerlike7472 Peace and Pan-Africanism
seriously, in the grand scheme of western right wing shit headedness hoteps cause the least macro harm and by far have the funniest conspiracies
I had a conversation with a hotep and he believed we used to breed with animals in Egypt …because of things like the sphinx existing in ancient Egypt. The “hotep” community has devolved into madness and I don’t think the stigma will ever leave it. We need another image of someone who is “Pro Black”
That sounds like something you find on 4chans paranormal board
Hoteps were never "pro-black". They're capitalist, imperialist and nationalist. They're just bigoted assholes who use skin color as a bat to beat people over the head with.
They're "pro black if you by black mean" American, rich and ADOS. But the last one is questionable, since they hate Caribbean people, who are undoubtedly ADOS.
In all fairness, it would be pretty cool to have the body of a lion, and the wings of an eagle.😂
Damn so the hoteps were also the original furries too
@@realhuman4879its something you find on /pol/. White supremacists come up with insane things
i was friends with a hotep. i stopped being friend with he called my ancestor beliefs and culture (i’m yoruba) demonic. he also took me to the cherokee reservation and said black people aren’t african.
That sounds like the opposite sound like you’re the hotep
@@dresavbeatz4431what?😂
@@dresavbeatz4431 Because they are yoruba or what??? what in that sentence even remotely indicated they are a hotep. I really hope you don't consider embracing the culture of your lineage to be anything related to being a hotep because that is literally the opposite of the point of this video and the exact negative impact these guys put into the world. My family is half hausa and half yoruba, if i told them were all actually the ' true people' or started talking about yakub they would be very confused, hoteps are mostly an american phenomenon.
So much delusion going on in his mind
@@perhaps1094 it seems you have a negative connotation next to the word "hotep". The term comes from Anicent Africa specifically Kemet, yet you all group it with Israelites.
Thank you for this, I felt seen and validated as I am SO discouraged to find so much anti Africanism in spaces inhabited by disapora black people. Recently I have been told that we are the original Scottish, English, Egyptians (which is, at least IN a part of Africa) Native American, "Hebrews" and Moors. The disgust they have towards West Africa and our shared ancestry is palpable and not ONE of them have bothered in the slightest to do even the most tiny bit of research towards West Africa, instead they will spend time putting white Royals into blackface, learning new languages, traditions and foods that have NOTHING to do with us, appropriating these cultures, all because they have a lot of hatred towards our origin story.
They are ashamed of there african heritage Am from the caribbean And we love our african heritage over here
Isn't what's happening is that race is being dissociated from class? So Meghan Markle can be a victim even though she's at the pinnacle of the British class system.
That part about not doing research on actual African history is the realest part. And to think that most of these confusions would not happen if they just READ.
@@todd2553 white people lie...
At the same time it's understandable.
Society props up the ideas of empire and "civilization", hell America was formed with the idea of reaching Roman heights of empire.
So, it's understandable why many black folks are pulled towards the empires that are presented in our history classes, and since West African history isn't taught beyond slavery, brings them to believe there is some hidden truth.
Unfortunately, I've had these run-ns at work, I'm mixed (Greek, Mexican, and West European), but when discussing the dynamics of oppression during Spanish colonization they freaked out on me.
They went off on a tangent on how "red natives" aren't the true natives, I was caught off guard and extremely confused at the time, lol.
They basically began arguing that the red natives committed genocide on the black natives and collaborated with the Spanish to cover it up.
On another note, my best friend is Jamaican, and found out he is primarily of Igbo descent. I told him there is a large Igbo population where we live, regularly having festivals, and would support him if he was interested in learning about the culture.
He turned down the offer, saying that Africa has negative cultural stigmas (beheadings, r@p3, forced marriages, etc.). So, I guess white supremacy runs deep 🤷.
I remember rocking a Free Mumia shirt to middle school back in 2002 and my (white) teacher sent me to the principals office for what she said was “promoting violence” and told me Mumia was a “cop killer.” Fortunately the vice principal (a black man) took one look at my shirt and sent me straight back to class.
Mumia is a cop killer and deserves to be in jail. He lost every appeal.
@@kayp4601he is a political prisoner
His own brother testified in court against Mumia
@@kayp4601 Cops are black man killers, and rarely even get fired. And trying to say that he must be guilty because he lost appeals in our judicial system, you need better arguments.
@@kayp4601let’s see these guys in the comments go through what he did and come out with everyone behind them 100%
Couldn't agree more about the teaching of History. It's not a perfect book but Howard Zinn's People's History of the US was a lightbulb moment for me, but I didn't read it until college. I worry about kids in school now where anything that goes against American historical mythology is banned.
My favorite thing about Howard Zinn is that he was so about that life that he even got fired from an HBCU for being too radical 😂
Or labeled "woke" which is somehow worse.
@@Xara_K1 Have you seen the drama with Bethune Cookman? They don't like ppl rocking the boat lol
As a historian, I would like to recommend Jill Lepore's These Truths, which succeeds in what Howard Zinn set out to do without neglecting historical method. There are structural educational issues in teaching history, for sure
Edit: As per discussion below, it's best to also supplement this book with 1491 by Charles Mann and Custer Died For Your Sins by Vine Deloria Jr.
At least in TN, our standards have improved significantly in how they discuss a lot of the issues raised here. Not Pan-Africanism specifically but more in how they incorporate black history and outsider perspectives into the curriculum
Another great video, I grew up with two educators for parents in a multinational trini-american home. My mother was a very proud Trinidadian woman, but always prompted black unity regardless of nationality. It's disheartening when I see friends quoting ADOS or family abroad disparaging black Americans like if black solidarity is a thing of the past. Appreciate both FD and Andrew's channels for it's nuanced, groundedness compared to the sensationalism that turns these discussions into Dr. Umar caricatures.
Is using the tools of the oppressor appropriate? The invention of whiteness was a way to unify various European Americans against their slaves and the natives. A way to clamp down on class consciousness, especially against the early solidarity between "black" and "white" indentured servants. "Black" unity and "red" unity and whatever else are just as fraudulent, if an understandable reaction.
We should celebrate the diversity of cultures and politics across the globe and within our own communities, and lean into that. Practically, you are never going to get the wealthy to undermine their own power in the name of racial solidarity. That's what the lower classes engage in, thanks to generations of propaganda.
When we say ADOS we don't mean that we hate any other black people in the diaspora. I identify as ADOS but I respect the diaspora as a whole.
Just like you say you're Trinidadian but I didn't take that as meaning that you hate all non Trinidadians. You just mentioned a fact.
We are all black people but we do have some differences when it comes to culture that can't be ignored. That doesn't mean we can't work together or that we have to hate each other.
I don't follow Tariq Nasheed or any other person who tries to speak badly about other non ADOS blacks. Those guys are doing more harm than good.
I'm haitian, and honduran both of my parents are black its interesting having two black-latino parents who were raised mostly in american and also are proud of being black especially in places like honduras where my mom was always talked down to by the white and mestizo hondurans, more people need to realize cutlurally these places are different but its all rooted in africans trying to bring their cultures back to places where they were stripped of it, most people wouldnt even know that honduras is demographically a very black/african country just looked up the honduran national soccer team and youll get a good summation of what most hondurans looks like its just that alot of them were taight to dent their blackness which is why alot of them will say theyre "indian". People tend to think black issues are exclusive to only america, trust me its not, go to brazil and youll see the drastic difference in how black people and white people live there. Its even worse there than anything here
@@josh0253 yes, more enslaved Africans were brought to Latin America and the Caribbean than the United States.
@@fcdraw I'm referring to the anti immigrant group more so than the term. However the term is also problematic and divisive. I'm black First, Trinidadian and American in nationality. Both my parents are technically American descendants of slaves father American, mother Trinidadian. As slavery existed long before both nations and were transported freely between the Americas that includes the Caribbean and South America. The way the term is used as a substitute for both nationality and ethnic identity is the problem it's the opposite of solidarity or Pan-Africanism. Like the kids that would tell me I wasn't black or my family wasn't black when I was growing up.
I agree with andrewism that history has been intentionally distorted to focus on great figures as opposed to the masses, although I think that human psychology also plays a role in our collective focus on great individuals. Focusing on an individual provides the viewer with someone they can identify and emphasize with. Role models provide people with guidance when they are unsure as to how they should get past difficulties in their own lives. Even in the mythologies of the past and popular media today, the stories we tell tend to revolve around a person rather than around the people. Even if this is a natural tendency, though, Andrewism is right that we need to teach more "people's histories" and focus less on great figures.
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Historian here, indeed, there is a bias towards "great man history". Popular history is in general "great man history" because its a nice story. Prior to Marxism, history did not really have people's history, but since the 1900s, really exploding in the 1970s and the 1980s, histories nowadays are almost exclusively sociocultural histories. The issue is that education is structured in such a way that political and "great man history" is almost exclusively taught due to standards and syllabi or lack thereof. Structurally, education distorts history, when the academic practice of history has been far from that for some time (though there are still some annoying figures doing history).
Another issue is that people's history is hard, and to do it you need a grab bag of sources, using archaeology, anthropology, oral history, geography etc. to obtain a remotely accurate picture and even then there's a ton of blanks. We're working on it though, and it is definitely good to consult a few recent history books to see the new approach. You want to specifically search microhistory, social history, or cultural history on the topic you're interested in FYI
P.S. Howard Zinn's book does not have a high reputation in historian circles. A better one is Jill Lepore's These Truths, which succeeds at what Howard Zinn set out to do without failing at proper historical method. And it's even more recent and more updated. That being said, discussion in another comment, has reminded me of the problems in this singular book and as such it is best to also read 1491 by Charles Mann and Custer Died For Your Sins by Vine Deloria Jr.
@@sciencyazn1509 I love this comment, thank you so much for the work you do and the insight ya shared with us
This is too accurate. In South Africa, the focus is always on Mandela and its created its own beast. The ending of apartheid was a movement that the entire country was involved in. Mandela was a important figure but not the be all end all. Whilst his legacy has only been used to enrich his family creating a new capitalistic class which is specifically what Mandela advocated against in his perspective on Socialism/Communism
Main issue though is peoples history only really works for modern times. From the early modern period and before, it's insanely difficult to do without giant gaps since most people of the working and peasant classes didn't write down much
Did Dr. Umar just say “Give me your grits money!” ? I love this channel!! 👊🏾✊🏿
There's a TH-camr named Lenor Honor that has been livestream roasting Umar for years. If you ever need more hilarious Umar content 🤣
I did a spit take, every day I find some new Dr. Umar gem. I can't wait for the inevitable documentary...the HBO one, not the one he self produces(I assume)
@@sizwesokopo281 well I never watched it so I can't vouch for it, but that youtuber made an Umar "shockumentary" years ago too 😂 Umar has been pretending to open up a school for a LONG TIME
th-cam.com/video/Ehj2hOfi2cc/w-d-xo.html
had mine for breakfast
I bet if you broke it down at least half the grits sold were for white people. You know it's pretty common in the south and just by numbers there have to be a lot of white people eating them.
My only real life interaction with Hoteps is when I took my wife to a fancy restaurant in Atlanta for her birthday and they were preaching along the street and yelled at us "You are with the enemy sister, do you not have any time for your brothers anymore?" despite the fact I'm middle easterner and not even white. If nothing else it made us laugh the whole dinner and I'm still a hardcore leftist
It doesn’t matter that you aren’t white, it’s because you aren’t black. Hoteps are against interracial dating. Especially black women with non-black men.
The "Hoteps" were right about your girl...
@@kingmu1 lol wat
@ultraviolet iris ??? Non-Black's are the enemy. His girl is a self hating black.
@@ultravioletiris6241 Great. I'm not a leftists...lol
my dad tried to start a program in the park service that connects the homefront effort and the black workforce at the time to the black panther movement on the west coast and was almost fired by the us government. he's lucky he's yt or who know what would have happened 💀
I'm happy that we are moving on from the kidology thing. I've accepted that she leans into moderate views and it may take her reading more leftist canons to understand why her arguments are the most genuine. Listening to this conversation was refreshing. I Love hearing people talk about pan-Africanism in a healthy way. Understanding that nowadays many people who are associated with pan-Africanism completely misrepresent the true spirit of the ideology.
Jesus the algorithm loved that self called femcel. Maybe she wants to be recruited by The Daily Wire gang.
Now that is stuck in my head and I’m going to be saying “give me ya grit money” all day lol
I think for white people a liberal or someone on the left is a person who thinks anti black racism is a problem. But thinking anti black racism is a problem is an extremely common belief amongst black Americans no matter their political beliefs. I think Umar is a conservative.
Dr Umar is super far right. He's basically a fascist.
@@davidtaylor142
I don’t think Umar is a fascist, although he might be. I haven’t followed his beliefs too deeply. To be honest all I know about Umar comes from the incident he had with a woman he labeled the conscious stripper. Basically Umar said he was celibate and this woman says he was having sex with her. And instead of dealing with the situation in a respectful manner, Umar took to attacking this women and calling her all sorts of demeaning names. That was enough for me to be like oh this man is a clown. The second thing I watched of Umar is he had an issue with another content creator in the same space, and he made a video calling this man out and he was cursing and threatening this man and calling him names. More evidence to me he was a clown. Then I watched a documentary made by another TH-camr which showed clips of Umar saying disturbing stuff about murdering 10% of black boys, and his fake school he is supposedly starting which looks like a scam to get money from people.
The murdering 10% of all black boys stuff to me is rooted in anti black racism. I guess it could be considered fascist too.
@@tm7517 I was referring to how he completely agrees with everything Kanye West has said. He's just not a raging dumbass like West is
Edit: I didn't know about the murdering 10% thing, that's real fucked
Good point
For the mass majority of us, there are a few fringe sellouts on the right
The idea that the American political spectrum was ever inline with Black Nationalism and Pan-Africanism is funny.
Babe wake up, new F.D Signifire just dropped!
I'm up I'm up 😆
Just a point of clarification: While the upper leadership in the BPP were Marxists (more MLMs), the rank and file of the movement had all sorts of beliefs, and that divide is one of the things that split the BPP in some cities. There's no shortage of anarchists that came out of the BPP that will say as much (Ashanti Alston, for example).
They were MLs with some learnings of Maoism but not fully MLMs, or not in the same vein of what we think today as MLMs (Pro-Gonzalo, anti AES states like NK, Cuba, etc. They supported all socialists countries, specially third world socialist as opposed to European ones).
Yeah, and that happened because they grew so quickly they couldn't do the ideological work. When Huey P and em started the party, the first thing you got was a reading list, because they understood that revolution has to have a scholarly grounding behind it. But they grew so quickly, and some, like me, believe Seale was, at some point, FBI, that they couldn't control the scholarly impact. That's why, after Dr Huey was released from jail and the party was in shambles, he tried to start again with ideologically grounding his own faction. That's the reason I'm so focused on pan African-centered ideological education.
@@Xara_K1 Revolution does not need a scholarly background. Y’all sound really whitewashed.
Ah yes Multi Level Marketing
The black hammers for example became proud boy supporters
1:19 killed me lol
Thank you for this discussion. I’m always apprehensive about the way some people on the left speak about some subjects where it’s glaringly obvious they don’t have the right perspective. I have learned over the years to hold my tongue in some spaces and stay in my lane/avoid certain discourses; but finding resources can be hard sometimes.
I'm glad you made this; I used to be in a good deal of Pan African spaces, but began to step away when I went more far left.
Most pan Africanism (online) is having an identity crisis because they're starting to just look like conservative white people.
@@Xara_K1 absolutely; you hate to see it!
I hope that Mumia abu Jamal gets released.
Move sounds like it was an amazing project so awful what happened to it. Power to you for talking about this and bringing attention to support it.
To be somewhat fair to Shaka King (The director of Judas and The Black Messiah who is highly radical himself, watch his interviews) a film being only 2 and a half hours is not the proper format to explore the black panthers and their ideology of Marxist-Leninism. We should look for a series or something at this point.
Except it wasn’t. It was about the informant for the FBI
@@Nino.ElectricSoul “About” is a bit of a stretch. It was more of a comparison between the two ideologies. It’s not like the Snitch was viewed as victorious in the end.
@@brycetheoddball Neither do i think he was made to look victorious in the end. You could see the internal torment.
@@Nino.ElectricSoul I’m confused, so did the movie not do its job? I don’t think the movie was supposed to be this huge “how-to” guide to the black panthers.
If the movie you're talking about was Judas and the Black Messiah, I thought it did an alright job making their Marxist-Leninist perspective shown. They didn't linger on it, but I definitely walked away more aware of their leftist ideas moreso than any other depiction of the Black Panthers (which is, admittedly, a low bar)
Yea but like if that was a core aspect of their group, to just linger over it is a bit idk, a disservice.
@@eboni1346 that's totally fair
@@eboni1346 way more than i expected from hollywood, but yes 💯
@@winteryblackfyres that's true. This is Hollywood we're talking about
To me the focus seemed more on the pan-racial aspect, and of course the operative fellow (gotta show the contrarian black people). I thought it was a good movie and good intro to Fred Hampton, but it only brushed the surface.
Loved being there for this stream! Thanks, FD! 💜🏳️⚧️
So grateful for your content! I’m a Canadian working to become a math teacher and you consistently open my eyes to biases to be aware of ❤️
Like your peoples historical mistreatment of mine? Are you going to force your Indigenous students to use your foreign English language in class?
@@LANDBACKbyANYmeans yes.
@@BxBxProductions Exactly my point. OP is just another vile participant in colonialism. No different then any occupier forcing their culture and language onto indigenous peoples children.
I'll never be able to understand how some black people can hate the likes of Fidel Castro and Che Guevara so much when they were the loudest and biggest supporters of Pan-African liberation movements. Even going as far as helping to fund (Fidel) and in some cases fighting on the ground (Che) with African freedom fighters during their struggle for independence. Housing our political asylum seekers (Assata Shakur) refuge from the enemy. There's a really badass picture of my grandfather standing next to Fidel in the early 1970s and I proudly post that picture every chance I get. Because the reality is that while the U.S. and other Western governments were killing us in cold blood, the Cuban govt (and many countless others) were arming us and helping us to fight our White Supremacist enemies. But because History education is so shitty in this country, many black people have been taught to see the likes of Fidel and Che as the villains. I'm by no means saying they were perfect. Just like Robert Mugabe wasn't perfect. But they were the type of freedom fighter their respective countries needed at that time.
Fidel was responsible for having the healthiest population of people of African descent in the world at one time. Eclipsing even the US which was still segregated.
Che said a lot of things about Black people that does sound antiblack out of context.
@@mv9653 that was before his radicalization when he was just a teenager with a wealthy father, it's no surprise that he was cringe then.
@M V I legit think all of that was canceled out by what he actually did. He literally did better when he knew better, and died for liberation that he didn't really need; he'd still have been OK because the only place white Hispanics are people of colour, is in the USA
I do not argue with people about Fidel because he did some good things but as a Caribbean person that knows Cuban people he literally oppressed the loved ones of one of my closest friends. He was a Leftist Dictator but still a dictator and that is a problem even if he had some Pro Black ideals.
Happy belated birthday to this channel
This was a good talk. I appreciate what you're both saying.
I am grateful for my upbringing. There is so much I want to say about the academic plantation, our relationship to the idea of intelligence and our livelihoods & worth being attached to economic output.
It’s hard to dismantle the system from inside. But knowing the lay of the land is necessary. Definitely going to read up on Mumia Abu-Jamal
This is a lot less of a leftist idea but can you one day do a video about Black Hair. And your journey with your hair as well as the importance of hair among black people? Asking because I am trying to put to words the experience of being black and having locs or dreads. Or explaining that I had to learn to love my black hair.
If you’re interested, Shanspeare has a video on the history and cultural significance of Black hair, but I’d like to hear F.D.’s perspective, too!
I'm also confused about black hair, (I'm not black) I keep getting mixed messages and since it's online I'm not sure if what activists say is relevant for the whole community there are other voices that say it's not relevant, but who is telling me that? I'm not familiar enough with black communities to know where each of them stand on things like non blacks wearing dreads.
I had totally gotten 100% in on nonblacks can't wear black hairstyles, which they all sound like a lot of work, so I'm too low maintenance to even bother. But I feel like I should try to understand. Are those other voices just white trolls? How can I tell in the future?
Right imagine this concept:
Hair isn’t important at all.
Now you’re as you would be if racism never existed.
@@steggopotamus This one is a bit complicated but I'll try to simplify it. You can usually tell who the white trolls are by the fact that, in their incorrect "arguments" about black hair, they don't understand the concept of *cultural assimilation* and how that greatly informs how black people style their hair.
But on the Black side of this, you will find black people who don't understand it either (as well as bad faith actors). Because as this video points out, there are many among us who don't know their history. You'll often find them agreeing with white trolls on this point.
(The opinion of the activists, on this issue, is more in line with the opinions that most black people congregate to. Even if they don't necessarily have the vocabulary to express it.)
I'd say those two groups are (at least in the US) the overwhelming majority of people who say that black hair styles being used by non black people, for any reason doesn't matter (and they often follow this up with cultural appropriation isn't a thing, cultures don't belong to people blah, blah, blah).
Also just a quick side, non blacks wearing dreads isn't necessarily the problem (unless it's done in a manner to racistly mock black people or cultures who wear dreads). Many different cultures have types of dreads, the styles those cultures have were usually worn for 100s - 1000s of years, that's not really what ticks off black people about the conversation regarding the usage of dreads.
The problem is often the refusal to admit that the kind of style that was popularised in the west (which often goes on to influence popular culture in different places around the world), was done by black cultures and that it's that style that is often what is trying to be emulated in the west. This is almost always done in attempt to claim that black people have absolutely no part to play in the conversation surrounding dreads, their use, or any claim to the style as a distinct part of specific black cultures whatsoever.
This along with the fact that those same people say the racist stigmatisation of specifically black people who wear dreads, especially in comparison to non black people who wear dreads is just fiction, and that these four points: (1) black cultures popularising the style in the west, (2) other people emulating that style in the west as a result, (3) while simultaneously telling black people that they have nothing to do with most people wearing dreads in the west, (4) while also saying any anti black sentiment towards black dread heads doesn't exist, apparently have nothing to do with each other.
And all of this is (ironically enough) often "backed up" by saying what I said earlier about other cultures having the hairstyle.
All we had to do is give Umar some more damn donations.
Hes litteraly opening the school bro....did you even watch his most recent Breakfast Club 105.1 interview?
If you are from southern California prison radio was on 90.7 KPFK. This was 10 years ago but he would make tapes and send them out to radio stations. As for online Democracy Now has had a long standing relationship with Mummia Abu Jamal.
So glad u brought up Umar, he's so toxic but my cousin is just like him. Shoutout from Chicago South Shore
But what makes him so toxic? I don't know if you've been keeping up with him, but he literally about to open the school hes been promising for years. Did you even watch his most recent Breakfast Club 105.1 interview?
Umar is necessary.
@@My_name_is- his whole idea of the world is what makes him toxic, he only breeds division and hatred, despite him claiming the opposite
@@petette4442 This is the thing, it's the fact that he's pro-black that that makes you feel this way. Its always that. Every person ive met who say Dr. Umar is a rwcist is saying it because he airs oit the dirty laundry of those that pretend to be pro-black and thats bothersome. I get it. Its hard hearing someone that's unapologetically African. But that dowsnt make him hateful or racist.
@@My_name_is- You can be pro black without being a bigot
Thank you for all you do FD
I grew up and still live in the deep south. I found the hoteps here interesting and although I'm not a fan I'd like to think I understand why it would feel empowering.
Pan-africianism and Panthers played a huge role in decolonising the pacific and SEA too, as colonised people around the world read those writers and those leaders. The Polynesian Panthers were amazingly influenced and impactful and have also been deleted from the record and re-written in films, depolitised and toned down to appease colonial feelings
'Hotep' conspiracies and thoughts have been very influential over here too in the radical Māori churches as well. Leaders came over in the 70s and 80s to support local movements and had huge impact for good and bad.
I've never heard of Andrewism before this video but i cant describe how fast my head turned when i heard a fellow trini accent... Good stuff as always
thanks for the video, this is something ive struggled with a lot as an egyptian person in black spaces. i don't want to be judgmental but some uncles are out here doing the most. i also would say there are 1000s of mumias and people should find other incarcerated folks and correspond with them as well.
I love umar johnson he has me dying of laughter 🤣🤣. The snow bunny crisis 🤣💀.
He’s an entertainer, and one of the funniest. Anybody who wants to have a serious discussion about him should be slapped. He has some good points but nobody should follow him.
I'm still not 100% sure what a "Hotep" is and now I'm not sure I want to or even should know.
It’s a black patriarchy thing, often with odd anti west African bias stirred in, they often claim other cultures as black and stuff(claiming the real native Americans were black and that Natives are actually white people being one of them). They often are pulled up by white people as a problem despite them being a very small minority that no one takes seriously. That’s as much as anyone should know imo
@@summbuddie9120 Thanks, man.
Oh man, how did I miss this stream?
I swear I'm not always getting notifications
i liked the old title of this video better. the point and the message of the video was a lot clearer. this new title seems like it is more focused on trying to sneak diss a certain youtube debate bro.
I'm just getting that click rate up so that the message and the activism at the end gets seen
@@signifiedbsides1129 i see, still a great vid, i support your work.
Thanks, it's a gamified process. In a perfect world I'd have just made "Free Mumia". But that would have gotten buried. Gotta give us grace for playing the game to win for the right reasons
Brother your content and subject range is great. 💯
From the bottom of my heart I disagree with you rhetorically on a lot on topics , even policy wise we really will never see eye to eye
This video was perfect and as a black man in the political space it’s important and I thank you . Deeply .
That Hampton speech you referenced is one of my favourites. Everyone should listen to it. It's not long.
Really appreciate this great content fiq, you tap into so many things here I wish you could expand on damn near all of it
Wait, how does I, a Swede of 37 years old, know for almost his entire life that The Black Panther party was socialist? Is it because we've not had the insane propaganda against socialism here, like in the US? Now don't get me wrong - we're following down the same path as the US, where socialism as an idea somehow has morphed into the root of all evil in the minds of people (particularly, those who talk about "good old days" - they seem to not be able to square the fact that we used to be more socialist, not less), even though the greatest part of the 20th century, we were pretty much only socialists here.
From our perspective, it's always strange to hear "white washing" in these contexts, as if wanting to downplay socialism is somehow a white thing. No, it's a specifically American thing. Most of Europe either was downright socialists or heavily inspired and influenced by socialist thought.
It’s called white washing because there’s always been a racist aspect to the minamization of African American political dissent/ opinions.
There were respected white socialist movements here. Not as respected as the pro capitalists, mind you. But they were seen as legitimate
I mean, the US plotted and enacted countless coups across the globe, purely for business interests. There has been a largely uninterrupted Red Scare going on across the country from at least the 'early '40s to the present day. There's going to be a tremendous amount of political and historical whitewashing in US education, because reality so often conflicts with the Great Man narrative of so much of US mythology.
I completely agree! Blacks are just obsessed with race and they love to insert it into everything to avoid thinking about it further.
I know this is late but while I agree with you, FD is speaking from an American perspective. Hes right that in the US taking radical politics out of radical movements is whitewashing. Many European countries have different historical trends.
In all fairness this use of the term whitewashing doesn't come from race, just a general coverup
Hoteps are such a new concept to me, because I grew up in a largely immigrant and refugee community, so much so there was a point I was the only kid in my age group who wasn't from Africa. So there wasn't a sence of Pan Africism, because there was very much an awareness from where they came from down to which village their family was from. Keeping in mind that much of the way nation states in Africa were formed was directly a result of colonialism (Berlin Conference and such).
Joe rogan didn’t know about them either lol
This video talks about Pan - Africanism and barely, if any mentions any of the actual prominent African leaders involved in that ideology. From Kwame Nkrumah to Nelson Mandela, and their relationships with Black Americans, and the Black movement, the story is very skewed from the West on why it failed and the U.S. government's direct involved in it.
you should check Andrewism's video in the description
Thanks for sharing. Keep dropping knowledge please
I do appreciate your point of view, and I am grateful for it. May I suggest, though, that "underpinnings" is like "pin" not "pine". It is the things that pin below the obvious surface. I worked with a young hotep woman, if that is a correct designation, who worried me because of her misinformation about history and the subservient position she had in her polygynous marriage. She was working to support a husband who did not work, but lived on what the women in the family brought in. He was a rabbi, perhaps a prophet, who seemed to me to be belittling her had her worth. I continue to feel sad for her now, 10 years later. I wonder if she is still in the same family.
When my friend left the service, he became an extreme hotep on social media. I was the last one in the platoon to remove him. Guy had issues.
United Latin America and Pan Africa!!
Man, I saw that Real Twelve Tribes pamphlet on one of my neighbor's dashboards last month!
"the academic plantation"
I'm dying
it's perfect
😹😹
my grits money is going straight to F.D
18:09
Yet another boondocks reference comes to life for me. Huey tried to save this guy (the character inspired by him) in season 1, I believe.
What is COINTELPRO?
How much time do you have?
COINTELPRO (syllabic abbreviation derived from Counter Intelligence Program; 1956-1971) was a series of covert and illegal projects actively conducted by the FBI aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting, and disrupting domestic American political organizations. FBI records show COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals the FBI deemed subversive, including feminist organizations, the Communist Party USA,anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists of the civil rights and Black power movements (e.g. Martin Luther King Jr., the Nation of Islam, and the Black Panther Party), environmentalist and animal rights organizations, the American Indian Movement (AIM), Chicano and Mexican-American groups like the Brown Berets and the United Farm Workers, independence movements (including Puerto Rican independence groups such as the Young Lords and the Puerto Rican Socialist Party), a variety of organizations that were part of the broader New Left, and white supremacist groups such as the Ku Klux Klan and the far-right group National States' Rights Party.
Their involvement wasn't entirely equal, one hand drugging and assassinating Fred Hampton, the Deputy Chairman of the Black Panther Party, and one the other continuously funding KKK activities, including an incident where a civil rights worker was murdered by a group of klansmen, one of whom was an FBI informant according to the documents recovered. Unfortunately, most of the documents have been heavily redacted or destroyed.
As a Marxist Leninist I always tell people the Black Panthers were the most successful ML party in the history of the US
As someone that was once apart of the black group that once had a community not far from Atlanta and had created the word hotep, it frustrates me to no end to see how the word is now associated with so much negativity. Hotep simply meant peace. The content from this video is very necessary tho.
No*
you “know” things you say “no” to things
Hotep is an Egyptian word it’s not yours you didn’t make it Luigi
I didn’t mentioned whether it was an Egyptian word or not because I didn’t think it was relevant. No one was using that word the way we were before we were and I’m taking about back in the late 90’s, early 00’s but we were an Egyptian centered community. So there’s no need to be an asshat with the name calling, grammar police. Also I guess you’ve never heard of typo.
1:20 Michael Brooks, from the Majority Report, was actually the only White Leftist - though Brooks I believe was Jewish or partly Jewish - in American politics who was thoroughly educated and very well-read in Black Nationalist and Pan African politics. He did a great job to attempt to introduce these politics to his White audience by inviting Black academics to MR to discuss Pan Africanist revolutionary figures, incl. figures like Sankara to CLR James to Du Bois. I was actually surprised to hear him, some months before his passing, remark about Achille Mbembe. Mbembe is a contemporary and controversial Black intellectual from the francophone world - you wouldn’t know who he is unless you’re actively engaged in contemporary African political thought.
I genuinely do miss that guy’s insights in contemporary politics and US foreign policy. He was a good bridge and left such a void in online white US politics, particularly the online Left. The voices the American white online left is saturated with now are liberal charlatans like Ian, AKA Vaush, someone who feigns political expertise on subjects you can clearly hear he has never opened a single book on. Ian, whom I believe is racist and a misogynist, regularly engages with what are caricatures of Black Nationalist thought.
Vinsh bed
comment for the comment gods - great and thoughtful content as always 🌻
WBAI in New York Specifically Margret Prescod show Sojourner Truth. Great show...Demolished any lingering faith in the United States, I had at the time. Gerald Horne took care of the ashes. Glen Ford, Kwame Nkrumah's writings led me down the path of... Re-africanization? Reunification?
That man said give me yo grit money😂
That Umar clip has me dying 🤣🤣🤣!!!! He always does the most!
The real problem is we don't call out people who needs to be called out. We take one microscopic piece of truth crazy people say and say everything they are saying is the truth. This has NOTHING to do with white folk. You have people saying blacks are native Americans. The slave trade was a hoax...or...somehow...that America is mother Africa (the gulf of Mexico is suppose to be the fertile Cresent now). Black people ran the americas before columbus (even though decendents of natives are all around you)....you not suppose to question these people. I heard Umar say so many false things yet people cling on every word he says. Comedy Hype tried to compare what monique went through to the dude in the new Eddie Murphy movie is going through....which has NOTHING to do with each other. And we just eat this dumb shit up. It's like you not suppose to have critical thinking when it comes to black issues. Just believe what everybody says...even if it doesn't make sense
Why do you mean aren't supposed to question these people, clowning on them is something we have done with them for so long.
Thank God I thought I was the only person who seems to notice this BS. These are the dame people that will claim we are descendant of both Ancient Egyptians and Jews at the same time. They latch on and cl literally create their own version of history and it is ridiculous. You can't even have a discussion with them because they will just call you a coon or even bring up Bible verses that somehow "proves" their point.
I always call them out. It does no good though. Too far gone in their alternate world beliefs.
You don’t call out people you call out ideas or actions
@@nothanks9503 that makes no sense ...sounds like you dont want feelings to be hurt by the truth...but please elaborate...
I liked this chat. No longer leftist, but I appreciate a leftist speaking and finally pointing out shortcomings I just never saw from the movement.
If you don’t mind me asking, what do you consider yourself as now? And why did you leave leftism?
@trade 21 I consider myself what you would probably label as neoliberal or liberal.
To answer your question, which I sincerely hope is not bait to get me attacked... the easiest way to lay it out is that my background is very unlike what the left is used to understanding: "poor, impoverished black person from the hood".
In other words, talking points and arguments for or from people of my background was extremely rare. For example, the left's view on college and loans were different from my own. I come from a place where college attendance is rare and miraculous if you even had the grades to get there, because our k-12 system is more unfair and impactful for people like me in my hometown, versus college being more attended and likely from young suburbanites who had better resources and circumstance from the jump.
The left in general from my experience hyperfocuses so much of its moral issues and stances around a college-attending white person, as opposed to a poor black person who I see was less fortunate than the average left voter. With all the moral purity and rigidness of what they considered to be a "true leftist", it just felt tiresome and cult-like after awhile. I started to care less about fitting what a leftist thinks and naturally, the left actually left me more than I left it. I was ostracized quite a bit for simply not fully agreeing on several issues.
The platform and people were just so unlike me, and to be honest, traditional liberals and democrats addressed and understood the issues from the hood better historically than leftists. So overall it's just a matter of pessimism and distrust in being seen and represented from the movement because almost everything they focus on, either has more harmful affects to people like me, or truly does nothing to help people like me.
@@HeroicGeno it seems like you are choosing a political identity because of the other people who might share that identity rather than the principles of that political identity.
For me, every other leftist could be the most dog shit people in the universe, and it would not get me to change my politics by a single iota.
@Comrade Question if the people around me don't share my principles yet have the same identity, I see no reason to maintain that identity. The most common response to me leaving is always "leftism is actually about this" or "those people weren't true leftists".
But it misses the entire point for me. I advocate for my life and experiences over all else. If they are not reflected by the people and I can only be told I still fit in despite that? I'd rather just go my own way at that point. Identity means nothing to me.
@@HeroicGeno Thanks for responding, and it wasn’t bait It was genuine interest on my part.
I understand why you distanced yourself from leftism. Mainstream(read: white) leftism has a very bad habit of centering white and white europeans in its discussions and leaving out the majority of POC. When POC are mentioned most of the discussions come from outsiders with little to no understanding of context and Intersectionality. and in my opinion most big/popular mainstream leftists on social media come from a middle or upper class background and that tends to blind them to the struggles of people in a lower class than them.
I come from a similar background and
Even with all of the flaws that you and I mentioned I still Identify with Leftism.
I seek out black/POC leftist creators because they bring up lots of talking points and arguments that the mainstream left would’ve never thought about simply because they have never experienced it. They also tend to understand Intersectionality and how it effects people and their perspectives.
This comment is probably choppy because i’m typing it on my phone but Let me know If I need to clarify anything in it.
Im sorry F.D for the way i spoke to you few weeks ago, It haunts me. 😥
Your out there speaking up and im screaming at the wind. Sorry 😥
YEAAAAAAAA NEW FD BAYBEEEEE
Great video
Most present day Black nationalists are not on the left. Now pan africanists I’m not too sure where they land. But black nationalists are conservatives almost universally
This is a gross exaggeration. There are plenty of black nationalists on the left. Not as many as before for obvious reasons, but social media personalities don't represent black nationalism.
The left right dichotomy fails you in understanding black politics. Black nationalists don't want to live/share a nation with other races. They want to work only for black people and black liberation. They don't care about the problems of the other communities, because in their mind they don't care about our problems.
Is this left wing or right wing?
Are they wrong?
I’m just starting this so you may talk about it by the end, but Umar Johnson specifically makes for very entertaining content. And its low key hilarious, it’s digestible. Like right now, I’m trying to build a small blog channel on TikTok to change a lot of narratives. I try to post as many black people as possible, from you to lil bill to Umar Johnson, to Tariq etc. what I’m learning is, it’s easier to get engagement with Umar in short 15-45 sec clips than it is with other folks. Simply because nuance thoughts take a lot longer to expand upon than simple catchy phrases. Long winded, but idk.
Mostly just commenting to boost. But I appreciate your perspective!
I live in the Midwest, and the closest thing to "Hotep" adjacent behavior I've seen in public was, ironically, a man offering to faith heal white people by getting them to announce that they "reject" their whiteness. And he was real friendly about it too, honestly. He was hugging people who went through it and everything.
Judas and the Black Messiah showcased a lot for it being from the perspective of the informant.
Rainbow coalition, breakfast program, clinic. And obviously the self defense aspect of them.
You just gotta read books because no 2hr film based on an informant is giving you theory.
'Somebody says, "What is CoIntelPro?"' I started clapping at that response.
Excellent analysis! Hopefully there will be more of a follow up to this
Hasanabi flexing his knowledge of Hotep culture will always be cringy to me
Name the worst, most wrongheaded thing he said about them.
I bet it wasn't actually that cringe.
shush billy
@@oliver-bu4vs
Wow great rejoinder, dumbo.
Click baited with the title but u got me to watch, interesting vid
Henceforth, I shall call all money "grit money."
Pan-Africanism also descends from the movement(s) of black separatism under slavery, which caused severe anxiety to slaveholders considering the persistent threat of slave rebellion, especially after both blacks and whites saw it happen in Haiti.
I would be really interested in your takes on the modern organization of the Black Panthers. It’s a pretty ballsy move taking the name, considering the *actual* history of the BPP and creating a working socialist system.
So like did I stroke out, or did the content of this video just not have anything to do with the inflammatory title?
It's called "click bait"
That guy V@ush comes to mind when I read the video's title
I have been waiting to see if you'd ever do a big look at Black Panther movies like Judas and the Black Messiah! Fingers crossed, because it would be great to get your more detailed thoughts on such things...
The last time I saw somebody as obsessed with debunking hoteps as people like Vaush is, it was on ifunny and 4chan.
Just saying
I think it's weird to call it an obsession, vaush had several hours on it across streams, but that's true about any topic he talks about. He did spend a lot of time on it, but no more so than any of his content. It's a lot in comparison to other creators because he streams exclusively and for like 4-8 hours a day so there's just a lot of everything there. Irregardless of if you were to agree with his perspectives, which I often don't, I don't think the amount of time he spends on a subject is ever really excessive or worth reading into.
@@miguelgaray4276
Yes, exactly.
My godmother is from Trinidad I’m Jewish, the obsession with Hoteps is they are “exotic” strange people, Vaush calls them Blotzis, which is a strange term. He called Kanye Blitler, i think. The real shocker is how the Hoteps are just ethnic fascists who aren’t “white “
It's Blazis, black Nazis. Nothing to do with blots
Most of the history makes me angry. Mumia's story made me cry. If he's ever freed I'd spend mu last dollar to see him walk out of those gates.
My dear friend, it’s “underpinnings” two n’s, something that under pins
Undercover Brother is a classic.
"If you don't vote for me, you ain't black." Definitely didn't help.
What does that have to do with the topic at hand?
@@pisceanbeauty2503 I think they think Biden is leftist. Hoping I'm wrong because that would be categorically incorrect 😆
Weird as it is we need to define the term “woke shit” in court
So, Hoteps are basically those "Das Rite!" guys back from 2010?
Excellent discussion and glad to have recently stumbled on your channel. Philly born urban historian (focus on anthropological study of minority communities in the 20th specifically on gentrification and nonviolent resistance by skid row homeless communities) so learning about MOVE was very important in my development as a Marxist in hs and my path toward historical study
Lost me at Andrewism man but I'll keep watching a bit to see what you say. Signifier I haven't seen you pop up in a year and I was wondering if you were still a liberal and that kind of answers that for me. But again I'll stick it out for a bit to see
I'm surprised that you name-dropped MLism along the Black Panthers in a neutral-positive, that's awesome man. I have suspicions about Andrew's feelings on that but who knows, I'd be happy to be wrong twice.
Yeah this mfer subtweeting them lmao
Free Mumia Free Leonard Peltier Free all Political prisoners
As a half white native leftist (penelakut tribe from the west coast), I'm not obsessed with hoteps, in fact, I generally avoid conversation with them because I don't think there's any benefit from arguing with them, as both of our arguments come from a place of pain. We have two versions of reality that can't intersect: their version, which comes from their research, however biased and flawed, and my version, which comes from my own research (which will never come to the real truth on the history of the americas), and the oral record which was passed down through my ancestors. I'd rather work with them in decolonizing, and dismantling our governments, who are oppressing all of us.
I don’t know how many videos I watched before I realized the background music is institutionalized by k dot
I need a whole video on why so many rappers these days are hoteps. Kendrick, Freddie Gibbs, etc