Do Electric Vehicles Actually Need To Be Serviced?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ค. 2024
- There's a lot of confusion as to whether or not electric vehicles require servicing. In fact, I have people asking me about it in the comments frequently. That's why I decided to take the time to explain what servicing is (and isn't) and how that relates to electric vehicles. So to find out what's going on, stick around as Dave Takes It On.
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That's OK for Tesla, but if you don't service other makes it will probably invalidate the warranty.
Yep, had that with my MG
Only if the fault is with a serviceable part.
Still trying to perpetuate the Stealership model.
My Leaf is way out of warranty. Nothing much has gone wrong. Skipped this year's service.
My Vauxhall has an annual or 8,000 mile interval first year and then at 3 years.
After 3 years ownership of my Tesla Model 3, I got the Tesla to come out to do a mobile sevice. They checked the brake fluid, replaced the air filters and lubricated the brake calipers -total £152.
Exactly £145 a year for nothing , Thats why i want a Tesla
How long ago was that? I was going to do the brakes myself but if its that cheap I might get them to do it!
@@rodden1953 every three years.
@@usefulrandom1855September-23 done by Tesla Winchester service centre. I just checked the invoice, it was £156.72
@@usefulrandom1855Sept-23, Winchester centre. I just rechecked the invoice , it was £156.72
The BMW iX service plan costs £410 for 4-years, whereas the ICE near equivalent costs £1378. I checked the schedule every 2-years they check the brakes, replace air filters, check tyres, replace brake fluid, it must have an MOT at year 3.
So EV servicing is significantly lower cost.
My Kia needs one every 2 years , my dealer sold me a 3 year service plan…..tells you everything.
Dave. Good discussion but I think some of your reasoning is flawed.
I totally agree that changing most fluids periodically is really dumb, wasteful and not at all needed. However I agree with some commenters that specific checks and maintain on condition IS required. I have done 1 'service' in 4 years, about to do another.
My requirement is to check the car underneath for usual tyre and brake wear but also for brake calliper condition and grease as required and brake lines and suspension condition.
In addition there is a brake fluid Boiling Point test and replace on condition. And the only must replace is final drive oil at 60-80k miles.
Most dealers follow a dumb and wasteful 'service schedule' that is designed purely to generate ongoing revenue for the dealership.
Tesla don't have service intervals. Most other brands do.
I would loose my mobility guarantee in the first 5 years if I didn't follow the service plan on my e-Golf.
They do checks on a few elements like cooling system, batteries, brakes, brake fluid, wheel suspension, drive axles and other items with a risk of rust and wear and tear. I believe they also check battery condition in case a cell is bad.
If I had skipped service and something happened and I caused an accident I'd be in trouble with my car insurance company as well if I didn't maintain my car. I'd risk not getting fully covered because I didn't keep my car in perfect order.
Brake disks that are not being used will rust like crazy and you have to replace them even sooner. For me here in Norway the salt they use in winter is terrible for brake disks and pads.
I had to replace mine on my previous Golf diesel because I was driving to economical and not using the brakes enough. They were not approved after the bi-annual inspection we have to do in Europe.
I had that problem with my Leaf. Regular braking scrubs all of the crud off the disks so there is nowhere for water to lodge and initiate corrosion. With EVs braking is mostly regenerative so the disks are far more likely to corrode. My Skoda Enyaq has auto hold so the brakes are applied and remain applied after applying the brakes when stopping or stationary. On starting again the forward motion causes the auto hold to disengage but only after the pads have briefly scrubbed the disks. Hopefully this will solve the disk corrosion problem. Time will tell.
It also depends on whether you’re in your own car or if you’re in a leased car. With a leased car, you HAVE to have your car serviced every year, whether you like it or not.
You can be locked into a specific insurance if you are not careful as well.
Servicing is a very important method of detecting possible future problems. It’s essential to service a vehicle, petrol, diesel or electric. Apart from providing an insurance against breakdown and accident. The service on my Renault Zoe has been exceptional in as much as it detected and rectified soon upcoming problems.
MOT does all the checks though as Dave pointed out.
Note also that an EV should in ALL CASES be considerably cheaper to service (mostly an inspection like an MOT) than an Internal combustion vehicle.
@@usefulrandom1855 Of course it doesn't, they aren't allowed to remove any parts on an MOT.
@@usefulrandom1855 Nope, look at the online MOT inspection manuals for what is done, and of course what is not done. Example. MOT Test will check for play in wheel bearing, then Pass or Fail. Dealer servicing will wheels off check for play, etc and repair/replace/ adjust as necessary.
MOT will check screen wiper blades, and pass/fail. Dealer service will replace blades and charge for it, Halfords will sell you blades and charge a fitting fee. (often using an unskilled sales person for the job).
@@theweekthatis What parts do you think are being removed on a service?? Other than filters they will not remove anything.
Hi Dave, greetings from Oxford. I’m 59 YO, I’ve done the majority of my car maintenance myself for my vehicles and sometimes friends and family. A combustion engine runs very hot and produces nasty byproducts from combustion, engine oil has three main functions; lubrication, cooling and cleaning. Regular maintenance on a combustion engine is essential. I agree with your assessment that a BEV needs no mechanical maintenance, however, I would say there are some simple and low cost maintenance items. Cabin filters, this depends on the environment, but a blocked cabin filter can overheat and cause failure of the ventilation motor control system. Long term, there would be a marginal benefit from changing the transaxle oil, this is the closest an EV has to a gearbox, and possibly the coolant, but, what degrades gearbox oil and coolant is heat cycles. EVs run relatively cool compared to combustion engines, so these vital fluids remain within their operating parameters for many, many years.
Can you even begin to imagine the consequences here in the UK of neglecting to properly maintain your vehicle and that negligence being the cause of a severe or even fatal road accident?
That's already in place. Every car MOT is only valid while it's at the MOT test station. Classic cars require no MOT either, it's all onus on the owner.
No one is suggesting that you don’t maintain your vehicle with respect to tyres, brakes etc.
@@crm114. Unfortunately many people do not maintain/service their vehicles. It's the reason that the MOT test was instituted, I am old enough to remember the junk that was being driven on public roads prior to the MOT Tests.
Credibility blown in one video!
you can open LCD TVs, ive fixed the backlight on mine.
Not visiting the dealers means you may miss out on any software updates or recalls.
EV’s need brake pad maintenance, Tesla’s included. Because of the regen the brake pads rarely get used and the pads can seize in the calipers, therefore they need checking and stripping down if necessary and lubricate. This is a common issue with Tesla’s. Now whether dealers of other makes strip them down I don’t know. Hence why companies like Cleevely EV will do this.
Just had my leaf serviced. I asked if I had to use a Nissan Dealer to maintain warranty. All I was told was as long as the garage followed the servicing program and used genuine nissan parts fitted correctly the warranty stands. He went on to say only a nissan dealer will renew the RAC cover for another year.
Had a tesla warranty job today, clicking sound on full lock on a 2 year 12k mileage car, was told the wheel/ hub connection needs regular cleaning, free today, but maybe not in another 2 years, sounds like a service to me.
How does it affect cars like MG4 where they use oil somewhere for something (I only know this because one of the problems is oil leaks on the MG4 EV).
Some cars have a reduction gearbox where the oil should be changed, most manufacturers don't recommend them as they normally fail just outside the manufacturers warranty. the total cost of this oil is around £20 and DIY but for those wanting a long life vehicle they need to be aware of their specifics rather than a blanket yes/no option when it comes to servicing.
When we bought our MG ZS EV in 2020 The dealer were pushing the monthly subscription plan for servicing which I refused. But when the car flashes up a warning triangle advising car needs servicing I have to admit I get nervous, fear there might be something wrong and book it in at that point. The dealer tells me without an annual service record the car will be worth less at trade in but hey.
Thanks, but of course in my case the con is if you do not do the recommended service interval on my Kia, then the 7 year warranty could be void. Thankfully in my case the service interval is 20,000 miles. They do of course do the software updates, yes I know Tesla do OA updates, they rotate the tyres, do the brake fluid flush, check the SOH of the traction battery and a few other things, I feel a bit happier if the car gets a good inspection every 20,000 miles.
My E-Niro has intervals of 10k miles and at 30k intervals they change the coolant to the batteries - always sounded a con to me but without it the warranty, as you say, is void
All reputable franchised EV dealers will do the things you mention. OTA updates are not exclusive to Tesla. In common with many other EV models my Skoda Enyaq does OTA updates. Even my Nissan Leaf did it.
Ioniq 5 does OTA updates too
Thank you Dave for a very interesting video. One point that wasn’t covered is the battery and electric motor coolant system which as we know is extremely important. Correct me if I am wrong but is this a special liquid coolant that needs checking to ensure your traction battery and main drive electric motors are kept within an optimum temperature band. One other point to mention, I believe in these main traction electric motors there are bearings also to ensure smooth running of the motor. I guess from your video if the bearings fail it’s a new motor and the bearings can’t be replaced. The other point to mention is cooling fans. There is a cooling fan for the inverter in the electric car if you need to charge from an A/C charger and there is another fan for cooling the liquid coolant for the main traction battery pack and main traction motors. These fans can fail and cause catastrophic consequences to the main traction motor or motors “duel Motor architecture” and overheating of the main traction battery.
So why does Tesla have a no service required warranty? Do you believe Tesla does not know this?
@@davetakesitonThank you Dave for your comments. I have no idea why this should be as a coolant system exists in a Tesla and therefore Tesla must use liquid coolant that must be checked and if necessary topped up at least. I guess you must be able to also check the quality of the coolant.
It’s amazing just how much hardware makes up an electric car.
The other point I failed to mention was the under floor integrity needs to be check which encompasses the Traction battery. Failure to check the integrity of the metal underfloor could lead to corrosion and battery failure.
in fact you mention aircon, just last week my aircon started blowing warm. I took it to the Tesla Repair centre, it is now out of warranty. They checked it for refrigerant and found it was just within limits, it apparently loses up to 10% each year. I could have just ask them to top it up, but chose to have a full inspection and pressure test before filling it back up. But for the last 8 years I have not had it checked or paid for a top up or spent a penny on anyone looking at it. I am convinced if I had taken it in for a check up, they would have topped it up most years and charged me for it. It is not a serviceable item. I run it until it no longer blows cold and top it back up. Once in 8 years and hopefully not for another 8 years.
Teslas need servicing. The brake pads need annual cleaning otherwise Regen effectively causes Mould ! Also Teslas need an Regular Oil change on each motor inc filter. Keep checking your tyres, most only last 10K due to acceleration. Tesla suspension Arm bushes fail a lot and can cause fish tailing from standstill. Cabin filters need replaceing regularly, last, checks & replacements to air con unit inc regass every couple of years. See Tesla for more !
I have a Tesla and the Tesla warranty and none of that is in mine.
I am glad but facts are facts -EVs need a small but important Annual servicing. Best still is the Geo locking comming soon as all cars must upload to the gov & insurance companys thier journey data by law. I think higher fuel & electric prices soon so all cars will get cheaper.@@davetakesiton
Have you got any source material that says EV servicing is voluntary? Do you have a reference or anything anywhere that states that? Thanks..
As far as I am aware the ONLY manufacturer that does not present a service schedule is Tesla. The car will tell you if it is not happy. However most owners tend to have Tesla give the car a once over every three years. EVs have much less to replace and inspect so service charges should be considerably less.
@@ouethojlkjn Thank yes I know all that. My question was, he specifically states in the video that "EV servicing at the dealer is NOT required (despite the manufacturer still having a service schedule (Peugeot for example)) and not having your EV serviced will NOT invalidate your warranty". Id like to know the source of information for that - where is that documented?
@@cebaines As far As I know, the only manufacturer that does not have a service schedule is Tesla. Any other warranty from any other manufacturer has a stipulation that warranty is offered in conjunction with a service schedule.
@@ouethojlkjn Yes I know, they all do apart from Tesla - the question I am asking is that he states in the video that despite the fact they DO have a service schedule, that you don't have to actually abide by it. I want to know where he got that from
@@cebaines As far as I know that is wrong. If the warranty conforms to a required schedule then you have to have a service history backing up a claim. This is the same for any vehicle EV or otherwise, as Tesla does not have a schedule, it is the only car I know of that has a warranty like this. It is also possible that the battery warranty is a separate warranty, as it is usually quite a bit longer than the vehicle warranty.
The interesting thing is that i.e. Toyota says that without service I have a 8 year 160.000 km battery warranty, but with service I got a 10 year 1.000.000 km warranty. They say it is to check the coolant levels on the two cooling systems in order to guarantee the 1 miljon km. Of course it is to make money, but I wouldn't bet I could get the extended warrantee without servicing. Any comments?
I think you've overlooked a couple of things Dave.... I had a Zoe with 40k on it. At that milage, and coming from owning a long list of ICE cars, I thought it was important to firstly have the heatpump regassed and the gearbox oil changed. I've now got a electric Mini, and feel that I should also do the same. I've heard that some electric MG's dump oil on your driveway so there are still important fluids other than screen wash to keep your EV in good fettle I propose.
Hmm as far as I know a Zoe does not have a gearbox. The heat pump is not the same as a compressor (air conditioning) and does not need to be regassed. However, any vehicle should be periodically inspected based on mileage covered and / or time between inspections. Having an obligatory schedule does not really enhance reliability (considerate driving does that) but can catch something as a small problem before it becomes a big one. EVs do have fluid for battery and motor cooling but it is under much less pressure and the temperature is much lower than an internal combustion engine. It should last more or less forever and coolant leaks are very unlikely.
@@ouethojlkjn I am pretty certain (could be wrong) that all EVs have to have an oil filled reduction gearbox.
@@mbak7801 I don't think so - some high end ones do if they are going to be sustaining high speeds - like a Tesla Plaid or Porsche Taycan.
You wastedc money having the heat pump regassed. In a conventional car the air conditioning is powered by a rotating shaft powered by the engine. This shaft passes through a seal into the compressor housing which contains the working fluid or gas. This seal leaks especially when the air conditioning is not working. By contrast the cair conditioning in an EV has an electrically powered compressor that is completely sealed, In this respect it is like the compressor in a domestic freezer. A domestic freezer runs continuously for far longer than the air conditioning in any car ever will. A vdomestic freezer will just run until it breaks. Ask yourself the last time that you regassed your freezer. Never? Thought so. Regassing of the air conditioning in an EV is a total ripoff. I was offered this by my Nissan dealer who probably knew no better. I complained to Nissan, probably with zero effect but it made me less angry about it.
I have a PCP for,both my Zoe and MG 4 both with servicing for “free” when I took the cars, as far as I can see all they really do is change cabin air filters, check the fluids ie brake fluid and that’s it. No wonder they “ give away” the servicing.
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It’s free and just good customer care but they also know that you will see a new version whilst visiting the dealership. Statistics will show that a percentage of owners will then decide to trade and get a new one. This way the free service is actually a lure…..
The Bz4x is every year £200.. I got 3 years free servicing when I bought it.. it has a cooling system for the batteries to keep at optimum temperature.. not sure all EVs have this.
Question. Doesn't the guarantee on the battery depend on regular 'service'? A ripoff I know but one demanded by the manufacturer.
MG insist you have their cars serviced on time, 15000 miles or yearly, otherwise they say your warranty is invalid. They do however give you another years full AA cover when you have it serviced with them.
I took the service plan for 3 years, I know nothing should need doing but if it does it should be within the first few years (manufacturing faults etc) and best caught early, doesn't cost that much and also includes the first years MOT, after this runs out then I won't bother anymore and any issues will just get found on the yearly MOT.
@@RandomNoob I took the service plan out too. I feel if you have any issues and haven't had it serviced you will have a nightmare trying to get them to cover it
Hyundai are the same, you have to have the service done to maintain warranty and get the next year of breakdown cover.
Yes exactly that's what I thought
You have said before that you have. Been driving. a Tesla for 9 years. Could you tell us what sort of mileage you are getting from the tyres please.
No John, I have repeatedly said in numerous videos that I bought my Model S 4 years ago. Tyre consumption is about the same as my previous Citroen C4 Picasso diesel.
Some manufacturers still have yearly servicing for their EV's butI do know Kia have moved that to 2 yearly. It will affect warranty if you don't do it. Otherwise if choice and happy to leave it, it really is limited in what can be done in an EV service.
Kia Soul EV 2016.
If only the dealer I bought my car from HADNT done a service before I collected it; they changed the HVAC oil; and got the wrong one, buggering up the HVAC system; easy £3000 cost for the parts, but due to their attempt to cheap out and use a s/h one; it probably cost them nearer £10,00; in parts, labour; and depreciation on the brand new loaner - on a 6 y/o, £14K car; as they messed about for nearly 3 months, before biting the bullet and ordering a new part (10 week delivery from South Korea)
By that point, I almost felt sorry for them.
Other than that once per 6 year item, everything else on the service list is "Inspect"
Can you buy a Tesla wiper blade from Halfords? If not, how much do they cost from Tesla?
There has to be a third party equivalent costing a lot less and just as good.
Talk about playing on words... The main difference between ICE & EV is engine is now a motor. Still have a gearbox (just reduction) & that has oil in.. So that does need changing. The rest of the running gear is the same. Which needs servicing. Brakes need servicing, fluid needs changing. HV cables need checking. Coolant needs checking & replacing. Dave says Maintenance we say servicing... Watch James & Kate The EV team (Cleevely EV servicing) Just done one on Tesla issues.
An EV gearbox is totally different from an ICE gearbox.
Brake fluid check is the only serviceable item that needs checking/ replacing on EVs. Also brakes should be checked as people forget to use them due to regen but i assume the MOT will look after that.
Also batteries aren’t fully sealed like Dave suggests, watch some other videos which shows flood damaged batteries with water getting in through the vent gaps.
they are sealed so ypu cant play with them however the connections etc are not and have vents etc etc
I expect it all has more to do with how dealers can manage to make money as the number of EVs increase 😁 Here’s what VW say “Electric Vehicle services includes the usual legal requirements checks, such as wear on the braking system, your headlights and tyres condition, also charging cable, high-voltage battery, cables and components”. And that will be £210 every 2 years. I guess £100 a year is not too bad for a main dealer but I would certainly check prices elsewhere if anything needs replacing.
Garages like Halfords will check brakes, suspension, tyres, battery etc for free and give you paperwork.
Obviously they can also change filters, worn parts and fluids as required. Far cheaper than pointless servicing.
I am not sure they would go near an EV. Also not sure I would want them to. Terrible reputation with ICE cars.
Halfords are mostly clueless though.
@@rogerphelps9939 like all garages it depends where you go. I know some extremely talented techs who work or have worked at Halfords.
I wouldn’t take my wheelbarrow to those clowns or Kwik fit if I’m honest
Bearings dont ruin the oil in an ICE, its the combustion process that does.
Also there is servicing on an EV. They still have coolant and brake fluid which requires refreshing.
The AA states that Servicing is the regular time or mileage specified action for a routine check-up. My aircon recently stopped blowing cold, so I took it in to a Tesla service centre for them to find the reason. This needed a repair. They drained the system, found that the gas level was very low, but totally in line with the age of the vehicle. They flushed the system, pressure tested it and refilled it. That was the repair. Servicing the aircon in my opinion would be to pay someone each year to check to see if the level was low, which it always would be, and report when it should be topped up, which no doubt they would advise each year at an extra cost. I find a difference between the two approaches.
And try and sell it, especially to the likes of WBAC it requires a FSH, stamped by a garage, or the value plummets.
Many manufacturers do not provide a service book now. Just keep the history from where you have your vehicle serviced. They will provide a comprehensive printout of the works undertaken.
Only a negligent fool drives a vehicle until it breaks in my opinion. Preventative maintenance keeps all machines working efficiently and helps find unexpected issues before they become actual problems.
Not when it is over 10 years old.
I've not had a service stamp in a physical book for several years now. Most manufacturers hold a digital service record if you use the main dealer for servicing. It's something of a scam that forces you to use an approved service centre if you want the digital service history updated. I'm not sure how much value there is in a non-approved service centre stamp as what guarantee is there that they followed the correct service schedule. Once a car is out of warranty the cheaper non-approved service is probably enough though.
Tell us about used cars and battery SOH and why you can't check it, Dave.
You can check it using a device connected to the OBD. They are very cheap and work with numerous apps.
My hyundai ioniq electric 28kw has coolant in it
I have just had my Mercedes EQC serviced at a cost of £400 if I hadn’t and then tried to claim on my manufactures warranty the dealer said that the claim would be refused
Yes they do
Evs 0% positives 100% Drawbacks
Afraid on this occasion you are wrong Dave. Correct that EV'z don't need servicing appart from the coolant some manufacturers use and the brake fluid. But I've argued the point with my Vauxhall EV and my Wife's Renault Zoe. The manufacturers are adamant warranties will be invalidated if the bogus services are not carried out. We all sign an agreement when buying a new car, I've been told I'm signed up to these terms and conditions!
Some Evs need more servicing than others. Ecu updates and security update are mostly done by service centres. Without these security update your car could be stolen. Brake pads and calipers will need cleaning and greasing every few years on Evs. Pollen filter have to be replaced every 2 years. Some battery cooling system need to have coolant changed. Tesla monitor car for problems and allow owners to update the car so need less servicing apart from brakes.
Beware the battery coolant system flush. I was told Renault charged £400 for the fluid which I was also told is just water and antifreeze. I would talk to Cleevely before getting stung.
@@mbak7801 I thought the battery coolant was a glycol based product that was water-free. I doubt it would be worth £400 but I'm not sure it is a simple water/anti-freeze mix.
Spoiler alert: they most definitely do.
How irresponsible can you be?
A service provides one incredibly important component which is critical and that is checks on components which may wear or break. At the same time lubricating hinges, latches, locks and catches, checking the integrity of steering and drivetrain components, play in wheels, damage or uneven wear on tyres, checks on the intergrity of the steering, replacement every 3 years or so of brake fluid, checks on cooling systems for the drive battery, etc., etc., etc.
Just watch the latest James & Kate video about things to look out for on your worshipped Tesla vehicles to realise that even Tesla cars are far from perfect.
The safety of those in the car may well be compromised by not regularly checking. Imagine the problems with your brakes suddenly failing like your television suddenly stopping working ... Equating an EV to a toaster is irresponsible madness and incredibly dangerous advice.
Anybody who neglects their car is a fool.
The Electric toaster I have has a service/ maintenance suggetion for safe operation to prevent fires from build up of crumbs under the elements.
MOT checks all the safety bits on every car, suspension,. brakes, wheels, tyes etc... I doubt most car service they are lubricating all the latches, hinges etc.
The only part of an EV that does not need to be regularly 'serviced' is the motor, go look underneath and nothing much has changed from the 1950's. Although much can be done at home, the problem comes when items fail and cause injury to others. A point. I have never seen an MOT examiner test the brake fluid for water content, they only check the levels before doing a simple rolling road brake test. Not sure how Telsa does it , but, there will be a moving part between the parking brake actuator and the wheel which almost certainly will need lubricating/checking , with more checks needed depending on usage conditions. Strangely there is a small problem with the brakes on some EVs seizing up due to lack of use which is a servicing matter , and an MOT fail.
Is it possible that the servicing protocols for Tesla cars was designed for dry Californian driving, not for cold,wet, salty UK /European roads?
Yes. The handbrake on my Leaf caused brake binding. The car had been left for a longish period with the parking brake full on. I now apply it very lightly when the car is on level ground.
This advice may work for Tesla, but if you have a Porsche Taycan or a Audi Etron GT then you need to get the two speed gearbox serviced on a regular basis
So EV,s dont have lubricant in the reduction gears?
I tend to agree with daves videos and topics normally but he is way off the mark on this one. As a mechanic of 44 years, my experience shows dangerous faults can and do occour without the owners knowledge even with yearly servicing.missing yearly servicing compounds this.
Obviouly servicing costs should be far lower than ice.
Tesla gone the way they have as they dont have a dealer network.
As for relying on mot checks, the mot only checks components for imedeiate failure. Not 2 or 3 months later or next 12 months.
Dave is advocating a high milage user not to have anything checked until the first mot at 3 years which coyld quite easily be 60k miles. You would be supprised how many high mileage drivers dont check there tyres until the tyre bursts due to bulge on inner side wall or the cords are hanging out . And thats ice cars that dont get serviced. Multitude of dangerous faults .
People assume an mot means there car is fine for another 12 months. No. Means the car is roadworthy the day its tested.
I think you are given the wrong impression if you think EV vehicles other than tesla you can just ignore the service interval, mine is every two years and part of that is to check the battery HV wiring and replace certain fluids, these will not be picked up on a standard MOT. Also EV batteries may be sealed but the reduction gearboxes are normal vented so giving the impression that EVs can go through deep water is wrong. You may appears to go through deep water with no problems, but there is a risk that water will be drawn into the gearbox vents and cause a major failure later on.
TÜV is finally catching TH-cam mechanics with Tesla quality issues problem. Even the new Teslas are rust buckets with body panels and chassis melting away. "Tesla Model 3 has a higher MOT (TÜV) inspection fail ratio than notorious Dacia Logan."
I have a motability car and don’t pay for servicing I ask at Hyundai why it needs servicing they if it is not serviced it will lose it car warranty know matter the why you put it to no service you lose your 5 year car warranty and your 8 battery warranty. So if you buy a new car you are stuck with paying as I said I don’t pay but every one has to they have got you over a barrel
I’m considering uploading my Tesla handbook and the terms of the warranty. There is no service requirement at all and the staff at the Tesla service centres state no service is required. The only stipulation is that if under warranty you become aware of a problem or failure you do need to get it sorted quickly and not ignore it and carry on driving making it worse. Effectively drive till it fails then get it fixed quickly under warranty. Not all manufacturers are the same.
Required service to maintain warranty per Tesla = nothing
Recomended rotate tires every 6,000 miles
New Performance Model 3 has mixed tyres so this isn’t an option on that model.
Also recommend filter changes and brake service for cars in countries where roads are salted. Having seized brakes and slamming into a tree may not invalidate your warranty but it could invalidate your or someone else's lives.
@@mbak7801 As will worn suspension, wheel bearings and the like…..some items may not fail to cause lack of performance or efficiency. I think the lack of regular and simple health checks of batteries is one of the issues that will put future buyers off older used EVs, it’s a simple matter to look at a service history for an ICE vehicle
What's up with your glasses Dave, they get wonkier week by week!
kia say for our new Niro EV , to get it serviced every 2 years . our niro hev was every year ... but as you say .. it will be a brand new car ( on lease ) what are they doing ? I'll get back to you in 2026 ish with an update lol
What a load of rubbish. A servicing schedule is not just about preventative maintenance, it is also about a regular check of ALL the systems of the vehicle to make sure nothing is failing and in need of attention. Look at any manufacturers service schedule for a petro or diesel car and oil, filters and cam belt are just 3 items of a whole list of items common to all vehicle types that need checking. Extremely misleading and dangerous to say EVs don’t need servicing of course they do, they are NOT a consumable service free item like a TV 🤯
Reduction gearbox oil for an EV?
sealed for life
@@davetakesiton My service manual says to replace at 80k if driving in harsh conditions or 120k normal conditions.
Not unless you hit a pot hole.
Why don't you change the name of the channel to 'Dave's Waffles'?
One man, with a small TH-cam channel, and shares in Tesla, clutching at straws that he is going to stop a bubble bursting, that has already burst!
Even InsideEVs is littered with stories of continuing Tesla lay offs, and generally poor EV sales, across all manufacturers.
Tesla saying you can unlock more battery capacity, by paying accordingly isn't going to win many friends either........like Apple playing with battery capacity on older iphones. De-ja-vu.
You change pads BEFORE they wear out - at a regular service. MOTs do not check pads - they only check they are working at that point in time.
Not true,MoT will give warning of brake pad,tyre wear etc in the “Advisory” section of the MoT certificate.
@@stephencrowther524 One mechanics advisory warning is another's verbal warning.
Well. for an EV tha pads last the lifetime of the car.
I failed MOT because my brake pads had 3mm left. Another time I failed because the tread on my tyre was 2.5mm on one side and 3.5mm at the other side. It was late in the day (4:30pm) and they made me buy cheap chinese tyres on wrong dimension on higher price that I could buy the best all weather tyres.
They refused to give me my car unless I get these tyres because ''it wasn't safe and failed MOT''. I asked for the old tyres (to check their BS) and they refused to give them back because I can't recycle them and they already recycled them. Of course they sell used tyres but they didn't have any for my car.
Do you think that every shop just has MOT checks to save people from accidents?
Hope you are prepared to put your money where your mouth is here Dave? Telling people to ignore manufacture servicing, when they then have warranty claim & manufacture throws it out. As manufacture sets terms or warranty. Don't adhere to them, no warranty. Warranty is over & above.
This is NONSENSE. EVs do need servicing, just not the engine etc,.
Brakes systems are more than pads and it is INSANE to call replacing brake pads maintenance
For brake system you’d check the brake fluid and maybe change, you’d check there are no issues like sticking brakes. This is preventative, and a service.
The driving systems need checking too…ball joints etc..
Checking and replacing the filters is servicing the car.
Sorry Dave, you are making a distinction for some things that simply don’t exist.
Of course they need servicing!! Every vehicle on Earth needs servicing regularly, otherwise the vehicle will break down!!
lol.😂
@@truebrit3670 Actually that is true unless the vehicle is a solid one piece sled with no steering or brakes.
@@mbak7801 as Dave points out, what exactly is it you are servicing?
Filters and fluids can both be done at any time, as can checks on brakes and suspension and software updates. A service doesn’t do anything else except oil & filter.
The only reason you have a 10k(ish) 12 month service on a car is because the paper filter for your oil disintegrates.
An EV certainly won’t break down because you’ve not had it serviced.
I’m beginning to lose the will to live with this channel, what with the pro Tesla stance, opinions not based on fact, and lack of knowledge about the general motoring industry including both EV and ICE cars, the channel is sliding towards McMaster territory……..As both an EV and ICE owner I truly believe channels like this turn off ICE owners from switching to EVs. By the way Dave I noticed on your recent home EV charger video that next to the model S was another car….it wasn’t an ICE car by any chance was it? I also said at the time that your charger installation was amateur (and probably outside electrical standards) with the breaker just sitting on top of your household consumer unit, any comment or was this just a Tesla installation?
It looked like that breaker was a swapped out one just put there and not in use.
@@Humannondancer My home installation is c1999 and I had a spare 30A breaker in the consumer unit, but the installer installed a separate consumer unit with a new breaker with different surge protection and also a current balancing facility to prevent any potential to blow the main fuse or cause any overload…..looks very different to our mate Dave’s.
Kia require ‘service’ at 2 yearly intervals to keep the warranty intact. I’m not going to argue the toss with them on what is written as they will be able to afford better lawyers than I can 😂
The breaker should be a module installed in the consumer unit.
@@harrycummings6501 I suspect your "current balancing facility" is just an RCD. The MCB should trip in the event of an overload. Nothing to do with the main fuse.
Wow. So much false information. Sorry Dave but you are becoming deluded now. You genuinely believe all the EV information you give out as fact. You need to start putting a disclaimer at the start of your videos.
False information again Dave. If you do not use your brakes they will rust and seize. It's one of the most common repairs on EVs. Costs a fortune to fix. Once every drive make sure your brakes are activated.