Reminds me of a beast of a machine I built for myself in about 2005, dual PIII @ 1.4ghz, 4GB PC133 RAM, and a 3DLabs Wildcat video card, 6x 18GB U320 SCSI HDs in a raid 5.
@@ssupertutorial He probably upgraded to a new PC about 4-9 years later considering that new games probably didn’t run on it anymore or that XP went out of support in 2014 and that upgrading or installing Windows 7 on it for example wouldn’t be an option as that OS is a bit sluggish even on dual Pentium III. There‘s quite a significant difference in performance between XP and 7 on Pentium III.
@@lurch789 I don't know of any normal standard case from the past that will fit a large graphics card like a 3080. The hard drive cage is always in the way. The CM Stacker is big enough to fit a 3 fan card and a DVD drive at the same height and there would still be 3 inches of space between them!. I just measured it. Try this with an old standard case or with a new one from 2023. That doesn't work. I only mentioned the dvd drive as an example to demonstrate the proportions of this case. I know it makes no sense nowdays.
I have 4 of these Stacker cases. They're great. One of mine is also hosting a dual P3 server mobo, though mine has 1.266 MHz CPUs. The problem with these server boards is lack of AGP which limits your graphical options. Mine is running a GeForce 8400 GS.
Girlfriend at the time (wife now) bought me one of these cases for my birthday back in 2006 or so. I still have it too! I bought the replacement side cover that has a plexiglass window instead of the vent/fan, and I also got the long blower that bolts onto the case at the front end of the motherboard to blow air across it. Built my first quad core in it with a dual socket 940 K8N-DL mobo and a couple dual-core Operon CPUs. It's definitely a very roomy case, but fully loaded with several HDDs and other hardware, it gets freaking heavy!
Very nice. I have a intel server board / case dual pIII 500 slot 1 that I built and sold new back in the day. Then when the shop was closing down. They had it back from the customer as a recycle. Can't remember how many Intel night shade server / workstation boards i sold back in the day. But I got that and the scsi cd tower with it too.
"All these expansion bays. Probably double the amount anyone would ever need." haha! You haven't met me. :) I'd have those things filled with 2.5" bay adapters and as many cheap 500GB SSDs as I could afford. With the right MB, it would make a great NAS case. (Currently, my storage server is in a TT Core X9 and has 8X 4TB HDDs and 8X 2TB SSDs, with 4 2.5" bays cabled up and empty.)
Beast of a build, i have a similar build too using a Recapped Epox dual socket motherboard which also has an ISA slot. I still don’t know whether, Windows Xp uses the two processors. With this high power build, you always want to reconsider finding the right PSU that provides enough power on the 5v rail and also a recap, since these were made during the cap plague era and were most likely used as server/ business machines back in the day. What’s even more sad is that more of these probably were recycled or chucked once they served there purpose. So whoever can save these, it’s definitely worth saving and preserving rare machines like this.
Yes, Windows XP supports two sockets and any number of cores and threads. (You need Server 2003 for more than two sockets.) However, there wasn't much Windows XP software that supported multiple threads. (Some XP games even malfunction on multithreaded systems.)
Once I'm really advanced in the hobby, and have Real Person money, I am going to slowly, carefully, and thriftily build myself a mega overkill period accurate system+setup for every decade of computing, and as I build each one, to hammer out every big classic shooter for that gen. Bucket list stuff.
I've got a retro, dual P3 1ghz build on my channel as well... It being special to me due to it somewhat mirroring a system from my childhood past, one of my better units that I'd built as a kid. Though, back then it was being water cooled with, well.... I could go on and on with the details, but suffice to say, a home made cooler / TEC system... very creative, custom milled parts from the Overclockershideout community, as well as personal engineering and design. My first dual cpu system was the ABIT BP6 with two OG celerons, I believe 400's, but running at 833 or 850... 900+ at times... all well before those speeds were ever official speeds too, nonetheless. This then eventually got refined into an ABIT VP6, with two FCPGA Coppermine Celerons, 733s, running at 1Ghz, well before that barrier had even been approached yet. I ran Win2K Pro back then, and eventually XP Pro... as 9X of course had zero support for more than one cpu. Anyway... Yeah... I got my hands on an old VP6 some years back, recapped it all, and built one heck of retro futuristic machine... you go to my channel, and it's the main/auto play video... starts off showing a 3DMark demo run, goes over the system itself (inside and out), pans around a bit, etc... These for sure were the good ol days.
still using the cm stacker case today got the optional plexyglas sidepannel i had to buy seperate and extra hdd racks (also make for great fanholders in the front)
The original CM Stacker came with a special cable that allowed you to link two PSUs so that they would turn on/off together. I ran a system like this for a while, but soon stopped because it consumed too much power. I replaced them with a single, higher power, PSU.
I had a Compaq Proliant 1600 with dual P3-550 in 2001. I had acquired it from an obsolete spare part culling (I managed the spare parts inventory), as the customer had invested in newer servers. That thing was ROBUST. No wonder HP immediately dumped their Netserver line in favor of the now HP Proliants. It contained a single 512 Meg DIMM. That thing must have cost a damn fortune for a 1999 server. It also had a 5-drive hotswap bay for SCA SCSI drives, which I had configured for 2xRAID1 for OS + 3xRAID5 for Data. 2x18Gigs + 3x36 Gigs. It ran as an actual server running windows 2000 server.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I have a Netserver E60 which sounds similar, but minus the hotswap drives. This machine has a first generation AGP port which is nice. Server machines usually omit that. It's currently running with a single 550 MHz P3. I'd like to get another, but it requires a proprietary HP/Compaq heatsink which is hard to find.
What you are missing is the Coolermaster 4in3 module, The stacker could handle up to 16 HDDs I believe with 4 of these modules installed. One 4in3 was included when it came out of the box when it was new. I know because I assembled PCs in this case back when this was new and shiny.
Part number STB-3T4-E1. The equivalent units from the Stacker 830 and similar are also compatible. (The main difference seems to be that the fans are illuminated in the newer models.)
Mate I had one of these boards back in the day and thought I was king shit compared to my mates. Such a blast from the past, to be honest I used the rig as a half life server for LAN parties.
The memory is probably because the board logged ECC errors on one of the DIMMs. There's an option in the BIOS to clear the error count. If it happens again the RAM is bad.
good call on the psw 400w for a dual pentium 3 system as well as gpu sound card oh check twice on 14:56 just for safty i had a problem were i did not post found out i did it wrong ps it was my frist but it was core i5 10 gen msi mobo with 32 gig of ddr4 16x2 a nother ps 18:39 the router is heck bad ass what brand you using ? oh the termal paste nice at least re pasted than use the pre apllied with the cooler oh and i hit the subscribe buttion so i will not miss out on your video :)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! My front panel connections are all working as shown. The pwr led and hd led both work fine. That router is a Tenda ac1200. its a bit old and I use it as a repeater so I can hook old pcs up to the router without running ethernet cables through my apartment.
I have a dual 800 MHz P-III 440BX system for my vintage PC and it's a lot of fun. I use Haiku, BeOS and Windows 2000 Pro on it to get that SMP goodness, as well as other vintage operating systems such as OPENSTEP and Win98SE which only ever had single processor support.
Lucky find, I have one of those cases, but it was missing the PSU bracket and the casters, and the bolt pattern for the casters is non standard. I have a bunch of 5,25" to 3.5" hot swap bays in mine and use it as a file server. What was included with my case however were the hard drive cages that would have come originally with the case, including 120 mm fans for intake.
I also have one hosting a backup server. It's an old Pentum 4 Xeon dual CPU mobo with eight 3 TB SATA drives on a HighPoint RocketRAID controller. It's slow, noisy, and power-hungry, but works fine for a machine that only gets powered on once a month or so.
It was meant to be a server. The wheels are one of the clues. The front drive bays and dual power supplies are another. Back about 1997 or before many servers for offices/large head count locations would be free standing like this. Novell NetWare and later Windows NT both lived in cases like that. At one job, a company of more than 16,000 users, we had at least 3 severs like that in our computer room. Plus also multiple of the IBM systems that supported 100+ dumb terminals (about 3x the size of that).
This case was targeted at home users not corporations. Otherwise it would have been beige or black. The wheels (which are optional) are there to avoid having to pick it up when it's fully loaded with components. (All large cases should have wheels for this reason.) In addition, that bulge at the front/top is to facilitate picking it up. I didn't understand what it was for until I removed it (because I wanted a flat case top), then tried to pick up the case.
@@moardargons8160 I understand but I still think it was intended for a server, because of the dual power supplies. Even if only a home server. I can't think of many home users that would want dual power supplies. But it is a sweet case in any event! I would have loved one of those in my house back in those days. 😁
Always isopropyl clean the ram slots especially on older boards, same with FCPGA cpu pins (they have oxidation even with the gold coating), use a very soft brush. Also you had the option to clear errors from bios which you didn’t use. That paste isn’t good because it’s not homogeneous anymore. Work once properly so you don’t have to do it again. The second CPU might have a memory channel allocated to it. Not sure since this platform is old. Btw, dual channel wasn’t invented when it appeared on consumer products. Servers always had first take on new tech. Be careful with the voodoos because it matters which PCIs you plug them in as they require DMA and that could be detailed in the manual or not. I have built a similar system (retro) with a voodoo2 and a nvidia graphics as a 2d card (punishment for succumbing 3dfx). I have subscribed and I want to see where this goes. P.S. 2 x WD Velociraptors in RAID
Oh that's interesting. I've always wanted to run a BTX board, however the BTX air duct and SRM weren't included with the case and are impossible to find nowadays.
This case in your vid reminds me of my old "Thermaltake Spedo Advance" , I traded it for a XFX 9800GT in 2005 or 2007. I could only speculate had I filled the case woth HHD and other hardware, it even came with a tray that swung out .. I think they intended it for screws , bot the case was of a hardware free design omitting PSU and MOBO so I guess you could put your weed in it ? That case was a server equipment rack frame turned to the side and someone put doors on and painted lmao .. I was that big from the side had a 200mm fan on the main side door that looked normal also 1 x 200 mm fan exhausting out the top and still had room for a RAD and fans ...
this was the only option to have a dual core cpu before dual core cpu's were even a thing. If you had this type of setup back in 2001/2002 then you had a monster of a pc. Only problem was no consumer based software took advantage of a dual cpu back then, which is why you only saw this type of setup in server pc's back then.
This setup is overkill for sure. It wont use both cups on games, especially games of its era, but it will be able to multitask much better than 1 CPU so it should be a bit faster in gaming than a single core.
@@idoesstuff1 I'd imagine you are going to have to go with either Windows 2000 or Windows XP professional seeing as Windows 9x only supports 1 cpu core.
It was enough that the OS supported multiple processors. Even if the program you were using only used one processor that meant the other processor was ready to handle all the background processes and the computer never seemed to bog down. I had a dual PII 400Mhz with Windows 2000. Was great.
You can prolly go with a faster gpu on those long 64-bit pci slots since they're way faster then those traditional pci slots. Although you would have to use an pci-x to pci express adapter to make use of said slots because actual pci-x graphic card's are quite rare.
The embedded Adaptec AIC-7899 dual function SCSI controller provides both Ultra160 (LVDS)and Ultra wide (SE) SCSI interfaces as two independent PCI functions. If you can find some bad ass SCSI hard drives, it will be better to use the DMA-33 IDE channel for optical devices. There are two 64-bit PCI slots - not sure what you can get for those slots these days but I guess super expensive network or RAID storage adapters may be the only devices for those slots.
None of the games of that era are multithreaded but having 2 processors should help since the computer can now multitask easier. It would be interesting to compare.
Quake 3 (1999) makes use of the second CPU, but the performance boost is small, about 10-20% IIRC. Installing a faster GFX card will usually give you a much bigger boost.
Unlike a dual g4 powermac, not much took advantage of dual cpus on the windows side. I had a dual pentium 2 400mhz. The second cpu idled most of the time
This ATX box can make as Workstation or PC gaming, it only change the square power and reset button if I right. Upgrade as LGA1700 with DDR4, and place back the SATA Harddrive with windows xp - 10 :)
This was super fun. Love the dual theme too. Can't wait for more! Gotta love server boards too.. you have bad ram, i know it's bad. but you can still use the computer!
my friends brother always gave him old workstations. first computer was a dual pentium II, then a dual pentium III, then a dual single core Xeon.. not sure why whatever office the guy worked at needed dual CPU setups!!
That's like my system i built few years ago now, Dual 370 Pentium 3, mine is 933 processors, and it runs the full 4 gig of ECC memory, It would work with out the ECC memory, because the board came with 128mb, i bought the ECC 4 gig, which is IBM. I am not too keen on doing a BIOS update on it though, just in case i brick the board, it will take the 1ghz chips if i did the BIOS update. I never bothered going SCSI with it, i just went IDE, got a large IDE raid card that would take 8 drives. ( i have spare drives over,) added three DVD burners in, one was a spare, so i tossed it in with the raid. two Floppy drives ,a USB card and a 3com network card. All housed in a Lian 80 i think? one of their largest towers. weighs a ton! also PSU i installed is a 1000 watt PSU, to help with the drives. Basically the system is a upgrade of my old microsoft lab server, but this time, i built it so it can run anything from windows nt 3.51 server up to windows 2003 server, depending on what OS i want to play about with. Graphics i think i installed a rage, for the NT4 driver support. NT3 and 4 run like stink, windows 2000 and 2003 do take a little bit, but that is the networking side. One of the best systems i have built! It will be interesting to see what OS you will put on this.
I have a Netserver E800 which sounds similar, also running a pair of 933's. It came to me without a HDD so I'm using a 9 GB SCSI drive cannibalized from another server. Windows 2000 Pro. I believe the maximum memory is 2 GB but I have only 512 MB (4x HP D8265A). The mobo has integrated Rage XL, USB 1.1 and Fast Ethernet.
@@moardargons8160 when you get some time, have a look at the processors stepping codes, it was once said that a system wouldn't work with out matching stepping codes. Which i recon is a myth. Also if its a former server, it might take 4 gig, i know the high end workstation, server stuff. Can take a lot more ram, than the basic pc.
That board has dual Ultra 160 SCSI buses so it can take advantage of 10,000 RPM drives. Toss ultra 160 10k rpm into Google then hit shopping. Some really nice prices on decently large capacity drives. If you're wanting an ultimate retro/glide game machine, get 5 10K RPM drives and put them in a RAID5 array.
two pentium pro processors on the shuttle hot613 motherboard, rage mach32 ultra pro isa or rage mach64 pci graphics card, roland lapc1 isa audio sound card, sony pvm 1354Q cathode ray tube monitor
The Intel G7ESZ apparently supports Tualatin CPUs but beware that many S370 boards don't, even with the latest firmware. They use lower voltages than Katmai/Coppermine CPUs and the boards need to support them out of the factory (or have removable VRMs). Make sure you research this before dropping money on this stuff, because it isn't cheap old junk any more.
Awesome video. I love bigger cases - always have, there's something endearing about a maximalist PC build. I often wish dual processor systems were more useful - if only for the novelty. However, I can't say I'm not pleased with the current state of processor, wherein one 13700K has enough cores/threads to exceed my old dual X5690 build! Keep it up! You've earned a new subscriber. (PS... what electrical screwdriver do you use? My hands ache from my reliable old manual one haha)
I see on that one screen that there is an option to clear the DIMM errors. Could it be that the error is just something to do with the dead CMOS and you need to manually clear the error on that BIOS screen?
I would re-cap it and use a pair of Tualatin core 1.4ghz cpus.. I had a pair of thoes on a tyan Mobo with a radeon 9700 all-in-wonder... with win 2000pro.
Oups... @5:16 that's an 8MB Voodoo2 (no chip on the back) which means even if the other one is indeed a 12MB, SLI will consider both as being 8MB cards.
I bought these from the same seller. They were labeled as 12mb and everything I looked up about them said they were. I'll find out for sure when I finally power them on.
Bench testing is always a good idea but it was either going to work and I make a vid or it wasn't and you'd never have seen it. I don't have a backup mb. All the same work would have had to be done either in the case or on the bench.
I have a Raidmax case that I think will be a great case for a board like yours, i want to see if i can get Pentium 4's, or maybe Pentium 1's, but this seems too cool not to try
hi there is one super thing they can be used for M-AUDIO cards i had 4 x delta 44 in my mum pcb yes the ram bars were the let down later i got a P4 2.7 with about the same pci ports 2 mum pcb for £60 uk they are still working ok
The fast ones run hot though, especially since Intel thought they didn't need fans. ("550MHz Pentium III has overheating problems") This isn't good for vintage hardware. Use Coppermines instead if your board supports them.
CPU Pentium 3 933mhzx2 MB MSI MS-6321-694D Pro SDRAM 512mbx2 128mbx2-1.2G VGA FX 5950 256MB AGP HDD 80GBx3 OS WinMe/2000/XP 2000/2003 CPU Pentium 3 500mhzx2 MB ASUS P28-DS SDRAM 128MB.4=512MB VGA FX 5900 256MB AGP HDD 30GB OS Win95/98 1998/2023
Also dont see much point in using this for retro games, they probably wont experience a performance gain, since most old software is not multithreaded and will just run one thread on the one CPU for everything.
hey uh, be careful with using modern ATX 2.0 power supplies on ATX 1.0 standard boards... the amperage draw on the 5v rail is wildly different between the two standards. it'll do it 90% of the time but i can't imagine it's good for it.
The psu I'm using has about 30w on the 5v rail. I have run into issues in the past, mainly with my socket 462 build where I didn't have enough power. Thanks for looking out!
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Reminds me of a beast of a machine I built for myself in about 2005, dual PIII @ 1.4ghz, 4GB PC133 RAM, and a 3DLabs Wildcat video card, 6x 18GB U320 SCSI HDs in a raid 5.
That thing will probably be able to compete with the 32bit intel core duo 😮, how was it ? How long did it last as you main machines?
the same but 1997 dual 333 or 400 M Hz, and in 1999 dual 833 MHz
@@armeniancrusader301 Linux
Well hopefully yours didn't blow all the caps after a few weeks like mine did.
@@ssupertutorial He probably upgraded to a new PC about 4-9 years later considering that new games probably didn’t run on it anymore or that XP went out of support in 2014 and that upgrading or installing Windows 7 on it for example wouldn’t be an option as that OS is a bit sluggish even on dual Pentium III. There‘s quite a significant difference in performance between XP and 7 on Pentium III.
12:20 ... I forgot about case assembly back in the 2000's. "It's not really lining up" brings back so many frustrating thread killing memories.
I still use this case since 2005 as my main pc. GF 3080 fits easily in it. Best investment in my computer history, board no 5 is now in it.
I had an Antec big tower case for years, it saw many, many different motherboards. Then I went to mini-ITX. Not so damn heavy :)
@@lurch789 I don't know of any normal standard case from the past that will fit a large graphics card like a 3080. The hard drive cage is always in the way. The CM Stacker is big enough to fit a 3 fan card and a DVD drive at the same height and there would still be 3 inches of space between them!. I just measured it. Try this with an old standard case or with a new one from 2023. That doesn't work. I only mentioned the dvd drive as an example to demonstrate the proportions of this case. I know it makes no sense nowdays.
I have 4 of these Stacker cases. They're great. One of mine is also hosting a dual P3 server mobo, though mine has 1.266 MHz CPUs. The problem with these server boards is lack of AGP which limits your graphical options. Mine is running a GeForce 8400 GS.
Oh baby, a dual PIII? I dreamed of having one of these back in the day.
Kinda' wish I still had my dual PIII 1GHz system I built back in 2001.
Girlfriend at the time (wife now) bought me one of these cases for my birthday back in 2006 or so. I still have it too! I bought the replacement side cover that has a plexiglass window instead of the vent/fan, and I also got the long blower that bolts onto the case at the front end of the motherboard to blow air across it.
Built my first quad core in it with a dual socket 940 K8N-DL mobo and a couple dual-core Operon CPUs.
It's definitely a very roomy case, but fully loaded with several HDDs and other hardware, it gets freaking heavy!
Freaking love that case!!!! What a classic!
Intel make some seriously over-engineered boards. One of these would have been absolutely ballin' back in the day!
I still use that case to this day with my x58 1080ti build. Used it constantly since I bought in new in 2001.
Very nice. I have a intel server board / case dual pIII 500 slot 1 that I built and sold new back in the day. Then when the shop was closing down. They had it back from the customer as a recycle. Can't remember how many Intel night shade server / workstation boards i sold back in the day. But I got that and the scsi cd tower with it too.
Going to need to fill out those drive bays with drives. This thing would be a nice NAS.
A mid 00s era PCI video card in one of those 66mhz slots would give that some legs.
"All these expansion bays. Probably double the amount anyone would ever need." haha! You haven't met me. :) I'd have those things filled with 2.5" bay adapters and as many cheap 500GB SSDs as I could afford. With the right MB, it would make a great NAS case. (Currently, my storage server is in a TT Core X9 and has 8X 4TB HDDs and 8X 2TB SSDs, with 4 2.5" bays cabled up and empty.)
Awesome case for a NAS
Beast of a build, i have a similar build too using a Recapped Epox dual socket motherboard which also has an ISA slot. I still don’t know whether, Windows Xp uses the two processors. With this high power build, you always want to reconsider finding the right PSU that provides enough power on the 5v rail and also a recap, since these were made during the cap plague era and were most likely used as server/ business machines back in the day. What’s even more sad is that more of these probably were recycled or chucked once they served there purpose. So whoever can save these, it’s definitely worth saving and preserving rare machines like this.
Yes, Windows XP supports two sockets and any number of cores and threads. (You need Server 2003 for more than two sockets.) However, there wasn't much Windows XP software that supported multiple threads. (Some XP games even malfunction on multithreaded systems.)
Always makes me sad when I don't see someone running Skyrim on Dual Pentium 3's :(.
the coolermaster stacker is badass
The best case ever made i still use it with an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X, i did mod the top to take a 3x120 AIO. will never get rid of this case.
Once I'm really advanced in the hobby, and have Real Person money, I am going to slowly, carefully, and thriftily build myself a mega overkill period accurate system+setup for every decade of computing, and as I build each one, to hammer out every big classic shooter for that gen. Bucket list stuff.
I've got a retro, dual P3 1ghz build on my channel as well... It being special to me due to it somewhat mirroring a system from my childhood past, one of my better units that I'd built as a kid. Though, back then it was being water cooled with, well.... I could go on and on with the details, but suffice to say, a home made cooler / TEC system... very creative, custom milled parts from the Overclockershideout community, as well as personal engineering and design. My first dual cpu system was the ABIT BP6 with two OG celerons, I believe 400's, but running at 833 or 850... 900+ at times... all well before those speeds were ever official speeds too, nonetheless. This then eventually got refined into an ABIT VP6, with two FCPGA Coppermine Celerons, 733s, running at 1Ghz, well before that barrier had even been approached yet. I ran Win2K Pro back then, and eventually XP Pro... as 9X of course had zero support for more than one cpu. Anyway... Yeah... I got my hands on an old VP6 some years back, recapped it all, and built one heck of retro futuristic machine... you go to my channel, and it's the main/auto play video... starts off showing a 3DMark demo run, goes over the system itself (inside and out), pans around a bit, etc... These for sure were the good ol days.
imagine dual 1.4 pentium 3's that would be so awesome
Had an old server. Dual 500MHZ P3 Slot 1s.
still using the cm stacker case today got the optional plexyglas sidepannel i had to buy seperate and extra hdd racks (also make for great fanholders in the front)
Man I had a dual 370 rig with an Abit VP6 back then, it was so amazing to have two whole cores.
The original CM Stacker came with a special cable that allowed you to link two PSUs so that they would turn on/off together. I ran a system like this for a while, but soon stopped because it consumed too much power. I replaced them with a single, higher power, PSU.
that ram's probly gonna be a bear to fid, but the overall system is super cool, I still have a complete P3 s370 1.3ghz system around here somewhere!
I used to have an HP dual pentium 3 550 (slot 1) server converted to a workstation with windows XP and Voodoo 2 .... amazing machine at the time....
I had a Compaq Proliant 1600 with dual P3-550 in 2001. I had acquired it from an obsolete spare part culling (I managed the spare parts inventory), as the customer had invested in newer servers. That thing was ROBUST. No wonder HP immediately dumped their Netserver line in favor of the now HP Proliants. It contained a single 512 Meg DIMM. That thing must have cost a damn fortune for a 1999 server. It also had a 5-drive hotswap bay for SCA SCSI drives, which I had configured for 2xRAID1 for OS + 3xRAID5 for Data. 2x18Gigs + 3x36 Gigs. It ran as an actual server running windows 2000 server.
@@paulmichaelfreedman8334 I have a Netserver E60 which sounds similar, but minus the hotswap drives. This machine has a first generation AGP port which is nice. Server machines usually omit that. It's currently running with a single 550 MHz P3. I'd like to get another, but it requires a proprietary HP/Compaq heatsink which is hard to find.
OHHH this brings back memories !! Nice build !!
nice wheels. can you take it off any sweet jumps?
What you are missing is the Coolermaster 4in3 module, The stacker could handle up to 16 HDDs I believe with 4 of these modules installed. One 4in3 was included when it came out of the box when it was new. I know because I assembled PCs in this case back when this was new and shiny.
Yes, but you need to remove the front panel unit to free up the 12th 5.25" bay. Only 11 bays are normally available.
Part number STB-3T4-E1. The equivalent units from the Stacker 830 and similar are also compatible. (The main difference seems to be that the fans are illuminated in the newer models.)
Mate I had one of these boards back in the day and thought I was king shit compared to my mates. Such a blast from the past, to be honest I used the rig as a half life server for LAN parties.
The memory is probably because the board logged ECC errors on one of the DIMMs. There's an option in the BIOS to clear the error count. If it happens again the RAM is bad.
In the next video I find this out but after I upgraded to the max ram.
good call on the psw 400w for a dual pentium 3 system as well as gpu sound card oh check twice on 14:56 just for safty i had a problem were i did not post found out i did it wrong ps it was my frist but it was core i5 10 gen msi mobo with 32 gig of ddr4 16x2 a nother ps 18:39 the router is heck bad ass what brand you using ? oh the termal paste nice at least re pasted than use the pre apllied with the cooler oh and i hit the subscribe buttion so i will not miss out on your video :)
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it! My front panel connections are all working as shown. The pwr led and hd led both work fine.
That router is a Tenda ac1200. its a bit old and I use it as a repeater so I can hook old pcs up to the router without running ethernet cables through my apartment.
I have a dual 800 MHz P-III 440BX system for my vintage PC and it's a lot of fun. I use Haiku, BeOS and Windows 2000 Pro on it to get that SMP goodness, as well as other vintage operating systems such as OPENSTEP and Win98SE which only ever had single processor support.
I do want to try other os's on this. Be it linux or BeOS or even newer windows versions. Just for fun.
Lucky find, I have one of those cases, but it was missing the PSU bracket and the casters, and the bolt pattern for the casters is non standard. I have a bunch of 5,25" to 3.5" hot swap bays in mine and use it as a file server.
What was included with my case however were the hard drive cages that would have come originally with the case, including 120 mm fans for intake.
I've seen the cages on eBay a couple of times but people want $80-$100 each for them. Maybe I can design and print an alternative?
I also have one hosting a backup server. It's an old Pentum 4 Xeon dual CPU mobo with eight 3 TB SATA drives on a HighPoint RocketRAID controller. It's slow, noisy, and power-hungry, but works fine for a machine that only gets powered on once a month or so.
I've never heard anyone call Toshiba "tos-hiba" before, usually it's "to-shi-ba". ANyway interesting vid, cool seeing all the old gear.
Tos-Hiba is an inside joke between a friend and me and I always just kinda call it that now.
It was meant to be a server. The wheels are one of the clues. The front drive bays and dual power supplies are another.
Back about 1997 or before many servers for offices/large head count locations would be free standing like this. Novell NetWare and later Windows NT both lived in cases like that.
At one job, a company of more than 16,000 users, we had at least 3 severs like that in our computer room. Plus also multiple of the IBM systems that supported 100+ dumb terminals (about 3x the size of that).
This case was targeted at home users not corporations. Otherwise it would have been beige or black. The wheels (which are optional) are there to avoid having to pick it up when it's fully loaded with components. (All large cases should have wheels for this reason.) In addition, that bulge at the front/top is to facilitate picking it up. I didn't understand what it was for until I removed it (because I wanted a flat case top), then tried to pick up the case.
@@moardargons8160 I understand but I still think it was intended for a server, because of the dual power supplies. Even if only a home server. I can't think of many home users that would want dual power supplies.
But it is a sweet case in any event! I would have loved one of those in my house back in those days. 😁
Always isopropyl clean the ram slots especially on older boards, same with FCPGA cpu pins (they have oxidation even with the gold coating), use a very soft brush. Also you had the option to clear errors from bios which you didn’t use. That paste isn’t good because it’s not homogeneous anymore. Work once properly so you don’t have to do it again. The second CPU might have a memory channel allocated to it. Not sure since this platform is old. Btw, dual channel wasn’t invented when it appeared on consumer products. Servers always had first take on new tech. Be careful with the voodoos because it matters which PCIs you plug them in as they require DMA and that could be detailed in the manual or not. I have built a similar system (retro) with a voodoo2 and a nvidia graphics as a 2d card (punishment for succumbing 3dfx). I have subscribed and I want to see where this goes.
P.S. 2 x WD Velociraptors in RAID
Good info. Is it ok to use switch cleaner spray on the ram slots?
I think that board has a better igpu than the one in my Poweredge R710, even though it is more than 10 years newer.
Cool, I still have two CM stackers and one I still run with an Intel 955 Btx and Pentium D.
Oh that's interesting. I've always wanted to run a BTX board, however the BTX air duct and SRM weren't included with the case and are impossible to find nowadays.
Very nice build! Looking forward to seeing it all come together ;)
This case in your vid reminds me of my old "Thermaltake Spedo Advance" , I traded it for a XFX 9800GT in 2005 or 2007. I could only speculate had I filled the case woth HHD and other hardware, it even came with a tray that swung out .. I think they intended it for screws , bot the case was of a hardware free design omitting PSU and MOBO so I guess you could put your weed in it ? That case was a server equipment rack frame turned to the side and someone put doors on and painted lmao .. I was that big from the side had a 200mm fan on the main side door that looked normal also 1 x 200 mm fan exhausting out the top and still had room for a RAD and fans ...
I can't believe you showed uncensored thermal paste application on youtube! How naughty! Good video, subscribed.
Awesome build. Just needs an audigy 2 & a v3 3500 running 2k.
this was the only option to have a dual core cpu before dual core cpu's were even a thing. If you had this type of setup back in 2001/2002 then you had a monster of a pc. Only problem was no consumer based software took advantage of a dual cpu back then, which is why you only saw this type of setup in server pc's back then.
This setup is overkill for sure. It wont use both cups on games, especially games of its era, but it will be able to multitask much better than 1 CPU so it should be a bit faster in gaming than a single core.
@@idoesstuff1 I'd imagine you are going to have to go with either Windows 2000 or Windows XP professional seeing as Windows 9x only supports 1 cpu core.
In the next video I install win 2k pro
It was enough that the OS supported multiple processors. Even if the program you were using only used one processor that meant the other processor was ready to handle all the background processes and the computer never seemed to bog down. I had a dual PII 400Mhz with Windows 2000. Was great.
You can prolly go with a faster gpu on those long 64-bit pci slots since they're way faster then those traditional pci slots. Although you would have to use an pci-x to pci express adapter to make use of said slots because actual pci-x graphic card's are quite rare.
I had this case years ago. Such a good case. Also, I'm sure the motheroard tray was removable. May have made things easier for you :)
The embedded Adaptec AIC-7899 dual function SCSI controller provides both Ultra160 (LVDS)and Ultra wide (SE) SCSI interfaces as two independent PCI functions. If you can find some bad ass SCSI hard drives, it will be better to use the DMA-33 IDE channel for optical devices. There are two 64-bit PCI slots - not sure what you can get for those slots these days but I guess super expensive network or RAID storage adapters may be the only devices for those slots.
Is there any programs and games that take advantage of dual cores of that era? I doubt it... but is still a nice build with bragging rights.
None of the games of that era are multithreaded but having 2 processors should help since the computer can now multitask easier. It would be interesting to compare.
Quake 3 (1999) makes use of the second CPU, but the performance boost is small, about 10-20% IIRC. Installing a faster GFX card will usually give you a much bigger boost.
Unlike a dual g4 powermac, not much took advantage of dual cpus on the windows side. I had a dual pentium 2 400mhz. The second cpu idled most of the time
This ATX box can make as Workstation or PC gaming, it only change the square power and reset button if I right. Upgrade as LGA1700 with DDR4, and place back the SATA Harddrive with windows xp - 10 :)
This was super fun. Love the dual theme too. Can't wait for more!
Gotta love server boards too.. you have bad ram, i know it's bad. but you can still use the computer!
0:37 think that was meant to be 3060ti , not 3600ti
Nice project!
my friends brother always gave him old workstations. first computer was a dual pentium II, then a dual pentium III, then a dual single core Xeon.. not sure why whatever office the guy worked at needed dual CPU setups!!
That's like my system i built few years ago now, Dual 370 Pentium 3, mine is 933 processors, and it runs the full 4 gig of ECC memory, It would work with out the ECC memory, because the board came with 128mb, i bought the ECC 4 gig, which is IBM. I am not too keen on doing a BIOS update on it though, just in case i brick the board, it will take the 1ghz chips if i did the BIOS update. I never bothered going SCSI with it, i just went IDE, got a large IDE raid card that would take 8 drives. ( i have spare drives over,) added three DVD burners in, one was a spare, so i tossed it in with the raid. two Floppy drives ,a USB card and a 3com network card. All housed in a Lian 80 i think? one of their largest towers. weighs a ton! also PSU i installed is a 1000 watt PSU, to help with the drives. Basically the system is a upgrade of my old microsoft lab server, but this time, i built it so it can run anything from windows nt 3.51 server up to windows 2003 server, depending on what OS i want to play about with. Graphics i think i installed a rage, for the NT4 driver support. NT3 and 4 run like stink, windows 2000 and 2003 do take a little bit, but that is the networking side. One of the best systems i have built! It will be interesting to see what OS you will put on this.
I have a Netserver E800 which sounds similar, also running a pair of 933's. It came to me without a HDD so I'm using a 9 GB SCSI drive cannibalized from another server. Windows 2000 Pro. I believe the maximum memory is 2 GB but I have only 512 MB (4x HP D8265A). The mobo has integrated Rage XL, USB 1.1 and Fast Ethernet.
@@moardargons8160 when you get some time, have a look at the processors stepping codes, it was once said that a system wouldn't work with out matching stepping codes. Which i recon is a myth.
Also if its a former server, it might take 4 gig, i know the high end workstation, server stuff. Can take a lot more ram, than the basic pc.
Beautiful machine! Can't wait to see it up and running! Now you've got me on E-bay lookin' for dual CPU mobos lol 🤣
That board has dual Ultra 160 SCSI buses so it can take advantage of 10,000 RPM drives. Toss ultra 160 10k rpm into Google then hit shopping. Some really nice prices on decently large capacity drives. If you're wanting an ultimate retro/glide game machine, get 5 10K RPM drives and put them in a RAID5 array.
I did notice you let the screwdriver slide in your hand. Nice
You need positive air pressure also. Should have the fan blowing in
What a cool Tos-Hiba battery! 😅
One P3... nice! TWO?? Awesome!!!
two pentium pro processors on the shuttle hot613 motherboard, rage mach32 ultra pro isa or rage mach64 pci graphics card, roland lapc1 isa audio sound card, sony pvm 1354Q cathode ray tube monitor
The Intel G7ESZ apparently supports Tualatin CPUs but beware that many S370 boards don't, even with the latest firmware. They use lower voltages than Katmai/Coppermine CPUs and the boards need to support them out of the factory (or have removable VRMs). Make sure you research this before dropping money on this stuff, because it isn't cheap old junk any more.
I had have Abit bp6 dual socket (370) with integrated Promis raid controller.
It was fun to run 2 cups on windows 2000
A dual socket 478 motherboard would be AWESOME.
Octo-socket FCLGA2011 would be awesome.
Dual socket 478 doesn't exist. (Intel configured the CPUs to not work in SMP). You have to get a Socket 603 or 604 Xeon system for that.
@@moardargons8160 Thats why I said "would be awesome".
Awesome video. I love bigger cases - always have, there's something endearing about a maximalist PC build.
I often wish dual processor systems were more useful - if only for the novelty. However, I can't say I'm not pleased with the current state of processor, wherein one 13700K has enough cores/threads to exceed my old dual X5690 build!
Keep it up! You've earned a new subscriber.
(PS... what electrical screwdriver do you use? My hands ache from my reliable old manual one haha)
I actually just got that one for my birthday. It's a worx 4v. It seems great so far!
First thing I thought of seeing this -- CORE DUO!!
I hope that's sharpee on the tops of the caps on the VRM and not crusted electrolyte.
It's just sharpee
im curious what OS you will put on this. win95/98 does not support dual CPU. does win2000/XP still have voodoo support?
Win 2k pro, as far as drivers I've read that the official voodoo 2 drivers 1.02.00 work with sli with a few regedit tweaks.
I see on that one screen that there is an option to clear the DIMM errors. Could it be that the error is just something to do with the dead CMOS and you need to manually clear the error on that BIOS screen?
These issues are fixed in the next video.
the factory in taiwan made the best quality processors
I would re-cap it and use a pair of Tualatin core 1.4ghz cpus.. I had a pair of thoes on a tyan Mobo with a radeon 9700 all-in-wonder... with win 2000pro.
that board got onboard ati graphics lets gOOOooooo
Do you plan on installing Nt 4.0 or Windows 2000?
Win 2k pro
Two CPU's and one stick of ram... Hmmmm. You're going to make them fight for it out what? :-)
Lol, in the next video we address the ram issues.
Oups... @5:16 that's an 8MB Voodoo2 (no chip on the back) which means even if the other one is indeed a 12MB, SLI will consider both as being 8MB cards.
I bought these from the same seller. They were labeled as 12mb and everything I looked up about them said they were. I'll find out for sure when I finally power them on.
que nostalgia de cuando esta en la U.
Would it not have been easier and quicker to bench test the motherboard before putting it in the case?
Bench testing is always a good idea but it was either going to work and I make a vid or it wasn't and you'd never have seen it. I don't have a backup mb. All the same work would have had to be done either in the case or on the bench.
Great video✌
I have a Raidmax case that I think will be a great case for a board like yours, i want to see if i can get Pentium 4's, or maybe Pentium 1's, but this seems too cool not to try
where did you get that case?
A local thrift store th-cam.com/video/T6HaOrgfBXM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=IDoesStuff
Interesting hardware
imagine if you could overclock this beast 😂
I have similar board from old server, same chipset, but Slot1. What OS you plan to use, Win 2000?
Win 2k pro sp4
the sound card was a sound blaster so it would be sound blaster compatible LOL
Sometimes my mouth says things before my brain can filter it lol
no cleaning first?
It's slightly dusty but in overall great condition.
Is there any benefit with gaming at all or just going with one Tualatin 1.4 ghz?
hi there is one super thing they can be used for M-AUDIO cards i had 4 x delta 44 in my mum pcb yes the ram bars were the let down later
i got a P4 2.7 with about the same pci ports 2 mum pcb for £60 uk they are still working ok
the pentium 3 katmai core was good quality
The fast ones run hot though, especially since Intel thought they didn't need fans. ("550MHz Pentium III has overheating problems") This isn't good for vintage hardware. Use Coppermines instead if your board supports them.
@@moardargons8160 gigabyte 8tx motherboard, willamette pentium 4 processor, rambus rdram, rage mach64 pci video card connected to two 3dfx voodoo2 sli pci graphics cards connected to geforce fx 5800 ultra agp, diamond monster sound mx200 pci audio sound card, dell p1130 monitor
I built these when they launched...
Think me about the time use a abit motherboard with 2x celleron 466mhz on it.
Lol
Maybe try this? PCI to Dual IDE Card 2 Ports Ultra ATA 133 IDE RAID PCI Controller Card!
I really want to use a scsi setup on it just because it already has a decent controller on it.
@@idoesstuff1 we'll be watching!
Dream build for the era! but SLI Voodoo2 is cool and all but a bit weak, you can do better. This is 1999-2001 sort of era after all!
I will be upgrading the GPU later, the voodoos 2's in sli just fit the theme right now.
CPU Pentium 3 933mhzx2
MB MSI MS-6321-694D Pro
SDRAM 512mbx2 128mbx2-1.2G
VGA FX 5950 256MB AGP
HDD 80GBx3
OS WinMe/2000/XP
2000/2003
CPU Pentium 3 500mhzx2
MB ASUS P28-DS
SDRAM 128MB.4=512MB
VGA FX 5900 256MB AGP
HDD 30GB
OS Win95/98
1998/2023
Extra CPU power probably wasted unless you plan to install an OS that is SMP aware.
Put linux on that thing, or one of the BSD's, it will be modern and able to make full use of the multi CPU system.
Also dont see much point in using this for retro games, they probably wont experience a performance gain, since most old software is not multithreaded and will just run one thread on the one CPU for everything.
I'll be running windows 2k pro. The advantage to a dual cpu retro machine is that it can multitask better and the cool factor.
I had this case, maybe it was my old one lol.
Good system.
gigabyte 8tx motherboard, willamette pentium 4 processor, rambus rdram
hey uh, be careful with using modern ATX 2.0 power supplies on ATX 1.0 standard boards... the amperage draw on the 5v rail is wildly different between the two standards.
it'll do it 90% of the time but i can't imagine it's good for it.
The psu I'm using has about 30w on the 5v rail. I have run into issues in the past, mainly with my socket 462 build where I didn't have enough power. Thanks for looking out!
@@idoesstuff1 always, been a blast watching your channel so far. ♥
add a pci ide card (4more drives!)