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I have 8 days played and not really sure if I spotted a single bot. This current release has so many upsides, like huge playerbase, no issues with grouping, dual spec which completely outweights what videos like this reportedly are about, yet nobody talks about that.
If you didnt spot a single bot you must have played with your eyes closed. Or perhaps you have pushed the content fast enough to stay above the bot-curve. I was in 1k needles and did some quests yesterday and at the centaur camp there was around 7-8 lvl 29-32 mage bots. I could barely kill any mobs in the area.
you are a liar i played 3 days after release and was in orc camp at lv 1 and they were only trolls hunters and troll orc with clear paths and scripts everywhere
If you want to play Classic Fresh with minimal botting. Then play on the PvP server. There's a LOT less bots. As they get massacred by the playerbase on both factions. The real issue with content creators in regards to Fresh classic servers. Is that fact the entire mindset of players on these servers is different than any previous classic server. The servers are layered. Meaning there's more players on any given server than you'd normally have. But you don't SEE that many players. It isn't that the servers are dying. It's that you're layered and still not seeing that many people as a result. The fact that individual servers have more players than other classic servers. Means that supply is much higher on goods. However, the demand isn't as high. Because we have less than a year before TBC pre-patch hits. Many players are just coasting through the leveling process in preparation of TBC. Those that rush to 60 are playing alts instead of gold farming and gear grinding. These servers are glorified casual classic player waiting rooms. As many players are really just waiting to play TBC or even Wrath again. Only hoping that the banning of gdkp makes those expansions a better experience than the first time around (especially wrath with it's wow token BS). Content creators that made their name making videos on gold farming, gear grinds, and min/maxing classes and builds. Aren't getting the views on their videos right now in regards to the Fresh servers. Because there's far less interest in going hard on these servers (at least right now). So, they're making these click-bait and rage-bait videos to try and boost their numbers a bit. Because their normal formula just isn't working. Similar to how Asmongold resorts to "reaction" content when he's playing a game that causes his viewership numbers to drop.
Did a who on ally around midnight on the PVE anniveriservr. Sure there was 34 hunters in BRD, but only 11 was lvl 60 and noone, neither lvl 60 or the lower lvsl had those stupid names that are not names. ALL of them had names that it's possibly a player would choose, and only 2 out of 34 was guildless. So I think botting on PVP server is WAY worse. People on PVP server are generally more competative, and are so more likely to buy gold to get ahead. The gold buying market is just smaller on PVE server due to the nature of the players that choose to play there. I'm not saying there is not bots there, but the problem is smaller than on PVP servers.
Even still, go on Nightslayer and go to a starter zone like Durotar. Look at how many 4-5 random English character named Mages and Hunters that act EXACTLY the same and randomly wander around killing mobs. It's STILL waaaaaaay too much. I started late, and I'm having to vendor leather, cloth, gems, etc. because I can sell them for more to an NPC than I can get on the AH. =/
@@naejimba yeah just bc they have a "normal" name doesn't exclude them idk why ppl have that misconception if they're hunters all u gotta do is look at their pets and if its chinese that is more often than not 99% of the time a bot hell even looking at their movement and how they go mob to mob is more than enough to tell
It's 100% the way Blizzard handles their game. There is still a very large interest in classic wow, but with integrity. No rmt, no bots etc. Blizzard absolutely chose short term money from.botters over the long term integrity of their IP and it is sinking them. I'm not sad because private servers are on the rise again and the future looks bright there.
it's so sad that private servers have gms banning bots in 10min of the report and even anti-cheat vs tp/speed-hack but on blizzard servers u get away with it lmao
@@Super_Burrito But if private servers operating on donation can do that, how is it that Blizzard with their billions of $ in revenue can't? It's because they want to sovle the issue.
@@Super_Burrito The scale of players and bots doesn't matter here because Blizzard's revenues scale with them. Also, banning bots early severely reduces their operator's profits. It doesn't matter if they create 3 new ones, as long as they are not hitting high levels with high farming up-time, their cost/revenue ratio will be down the drain and eventually they will stop their operations in WoW and move to other games.
I've said this In-Game Blizzard does not care about Bots at all because the Bots are a net positive for them. Paying monthly accounts, that boost their player numbers, and as a group represent thousands of "players" that will never ask them for a damn thing. Bots don't whine about Class Balance, No changes, Yes changes, Classic+, etc.
Its very easy. Bots are a consequence, the cause are the players Who buy gold. Just punish goldbuyers banning their accounts forever. Problem resolved.
I think lots of people have had enough of the original game for now. It has been available since 2019. In my opinion they should have released TBC & Wrath permanent servers alongside the fresh classic server. Between the bots & complete lack of any class balancing in classic its just not much fun anymore. You can only level a warrior so many times.
Blizzard has discussed opening parallel servers for each expansion the Fresh servers transition out of going forward. So that players that want to stay in TBC when it rolls to Wrath. Will be able to transfer their characters over to that. Similar to what they did with Classic when TBC first launched.
Just trying to complete my MC attunement, I found 3 hunter bots farming the water elementals you need for MC in EPL. Crazy that they feel like they can farm quest mobs so brazenly! But nothing is done about them.
@@Raavyx_ Surely you have options, use them instead of complaining about a non-issue. There's not that many bots on 20th anniversary realms, there just isn't.
On Nightslayer it's so brazen with gold selling and bots you have entire guilds of them. Example do a /who Tuzi. All Chinese mage carries and hunter bots with the only exception being one of other classes for buffs and rogues that they now have botting thorium since the price on gems is so high. 24/7 all day everyday. One real GM would see these tags, see the Chinese pet names or non named pets to escape people seeing the Chinese characters and ban them. Blizzard doesn't want real GM's and they are GLAD these people are ruining Classic. By slapping wrists for gold buying and allowing the botters and gold sellers to run rampant they just get people used to retail MT's and the WoW token.The fact that Ion controls all WoW when Classic ran right could make him look bad is a complete joke. These teams should be completely separate, Ion should have zero say in Classic and you should have people that ran things like Nostalrius in charge. Classic exists to 1) protect copyright so that private servers couldn't offer the same thing for free 2) as a middle finger to people who no longer want or play retail by Ion who hijacked this game.
Ofc they wont do anything about the bots. 1 bot = 1 subscription. They just dont care anymore. But hey we all still support this shitty company so we shouldn't talk.
I actually have reason to believe that bots do not transfer to pve servers when they die. There are a couple of bots that turn up with almost the exact same name as the last time i killed them. It is offcourse possible that they made a new account but I think they simply make a new character and try again until they get banned.
If you're a player who is helping deal with these bots, then you're paying Blizzard to work for them, lol. You're paying to work for a company that doesn't give a sht about you.
Classic wow has been huge on twitch since release. The majority of content creators’ content has nothing to do with bots. This just feels like complaining because it affects your content and trying to get other people to think it hurts them more than it actually does. This is just an anniversary server, go make retail content if you want a more closely monitored economy
You are part of the problem, shilling for the bad business practices that Blizzard is so fond of. The rest of us want quality for what we pay for a service. The quality used to be there. Blizzard enshitified the game to make more money at my expense. You go to retail if you want to shill for Blizzard. Hell, I may be even replying to some bot right now.
Well @elguntor I have been playing alliance dreamscythe since launch and literally cannot say I’ve heard a single person complain about it. Managed to hit 60 and am thoroughly enjoying the gameplay. Solheim is qqing because he makes money off of gold making strategies and they haven’t been effective because of bots. Regular people playing the game are minimally impacted by bots. Libram of voracity are still 50g which is nice. Thanks bot bros
Don’t know what you’re seeing. Dream is packed AND layered! People aren’t hardcore raiding? So what? Most folks (like me) are just leveling casually and waiting for tbc.
Yeah i really wanted to play classic again but when i was reminded of the bot problem and how Blizzard never does anything i just stopped. Somehow i always forget about that. Last time i was lucky and played on an overpopulated non english speaking server that was locked until 3 Phase.
once i was in a party with randoms and i notice someone was afk while we are waiting for him in the dung door , and i said " bro dont afk pls move we are waiting " and the leader said to me i need to chill out or leave , and he kicked me after i said to him am chill , and you wonder why no one play . i think the problem is not just boting tbh
It’s been proven that the bots don’t pay extra subs. Even madskillshc covered this. Also blizzard aren’t going to talk about the bottling issue as they don’t need to discuss it. Botting is a problem though
Or, Blizzard could do their job and actually enforce the TOS. Banning bots is easy. You're one of the reasons Blizzard thinks adding a token and cashing in on a problem they created is actually a solution.
Please watch the piratesoftware video on bots its not as easy as it seems. He worked in that department in blizzard and explains very well why its almost impossible to get all the bots.@AeredonXI
blizzard should just cap pricing on the AH for specific items so the gold sellers cant sell at higher price then resonble for example freezing ring now sells 500g make it cap of 200g then ofcourse they still sell it for this price but tleaaast its aa 300g diffrence saaaaame in retail. but your right it seems blizzard gave up on handeling it.
The only thing i cant understand is they banned gdkps, and i saw one of the reason was to lower the bots and gold sellers. I dont have time to play in normal guilds and prefer gdkps but whatever i like classic tried pvp realms and the whole trade and service channel drive me crazy. What the reason banning gdkp when everyone selling boosts, mara rings, tribute loots, dme loots, hoj service, ubrs jed service and stuff like that, you can be lvl 60 full pre raid bis without playing the game just spending gold.
The best answer by by far is for everyone to play on a PVP server. The other faction can kill all the bots on the other side and they’re easy to kill instant instantaneous box problem cut by 70%. This is mostly an artificial hardcore pve problem.
Your opinion makes no sense the streamers all play hardcore and when you die it’s very discouraging most don’t start again. I don’t blame them it’s just for content
I don't feel the lack of players, dungeon groups and raid groups happen left and right, the world is full of people, cities buzzing with activity, am I delusional ?
If blizzard banned all gold sellers, bots, g2g boosts : ranking etc. I feel that the game won't survive. Probably 50-70% of people that play classic if not more, all in some way profit from playing this game, be it from streaming or content creating (twitch, youtube) or selling gold or boosts. If blizzard really went and banned ALLLL of it, the game will be very dead xD? Edit: and I feel a lot of times this is why blizzard is doing bare minimum it will impact their own pockets to hard. It's sad tbh
in SOD(but gonna happen in 20th anni too) the GDKP gold makers that also sell gold cant make gold from GDKPs anymore i notice ALOT more auction house campers compare to the players online and compare to Era/cata doing so normal people cannot sell any items at all and getting instant botted undercut and 100% sure this is the same GDKP people who basically sell runs for gold and then use that gold to sell it for real money becuase this is not a issue on era/cata ONLY Sod and the fresh servers and becuase normal people cannot earn gold from Auction house anymore raw gold farms OR buy gold and then if buying gold more demand on gold for like botters & etc. if people cannot earn gold from auction house and only raw gold farms then honestly understandable why buying gold i notice alot more people in general just not having gold at all anymore compare to era/cata becuase they having hard time even selling stuff they farmed on auction house please rework auction house so those auction house campers standing on AH 24/7 and properly botting it cannot work (even if non bot its still annoying af and you self have to become a auction house camper in order to sell stuff now never had this issue in Era at mid to late 2023 or in WOTLK classic) Auction house campers i feel like is 1 of the root causes for this issue aswell since they are doing so people cant really make gold so they are starting to buy gold more noticed the average people barely has enough for raid consummables and if wipes can easy run out now imagine trying to sell like afew crafted potions: lets say elixirs for spell power 20 of them but you cant becuase like 4 Auction house campers is online(all might be bots) and camping those potions and as soon you list them they are instant undercut making that average player more gold poor and feel like even more the need to buy gold becuase theirs items never sells it took me 2 phases to get my epic mount becuase of these people becuase i just said fuck it cant earn gold via auction house anymore time to do raw gold instant and vendor stuff meanwhile these people possible having all the needed BOEs they need + epic mounts on all chars. they have + over 50k gold and STILL need to ruin it for everyone else its clear to see those (bot or not) Auction house campers is 1 of the root causes why people have the need to buy gold
If this community could get off the gold buying crack that they all smoke this problem would go away. But no, we can't grind the gold for Epic Mounts or Lionheart Helms. This is a community made issue. Blizz would be morons to actually do something about these bots, they are in this for money not player experience.
Legit players are the primary villains why? they are the ones buying gold. They are the ones allowing blizzard to keep doing what they are doing by keep on playing.
"Blizzard doesn't care" "Blizzard isnt doing the bare minimum" "Blizzard wants it this way" - Coming from people who are OUTSIDE blizzard and have no idea what is going on inside. Clearly this video is just a quick click grab because everything you said is pointless since you don't know what is actually going on inside blizzard.
the playerbase is spending millions on gold. sounds like the community is to blame, not blizzard. thats how people want to play wow nowadays. the majority i bet dont want to play 14 hours a day so they can get to level 60. Plus going out on your limited time to fish? Yeah right
I quit WoW about 7 months ago due to the botting situation (among other issues). Every few months I wonder why I stopped playing the game. Took 90 seconds to lose interest again. See you in a few months, when I need another reminder that current Blizzard is NOT the company it was 20 years ago.
But if they banned the bots, the bots has to get new accounts. Cause they are not going to stop. So that dosent fly with me. That blizzard are just ignoring it. They would earn more money by banning. But perhaps Blizzard havent thougt about it.
blizzard is taking the same amount of money from bots than real players, if they cut bots they will loose 40% of income on classic wow why would they do that ? they are suits and corpos not gamers
i quit before i could ever get started. my warrior got banned for "botting". my warrior is not allowed to fish until bags full... :( i like how thousands of bots are allowed to function, but someone like me just trying to enjoy the game... is not allowed. no no no... i guess i will just have to take my fishing skills elsewhere. maybe a free game like poe2. thats what elon and the cool kids are playing anyway.
submit ticket with "payment issue". this will get you a human. if you were not botting a human will be able to tell that immediately. repeat until unbanned. you have nothing to lose if you're already perma'd
Blizz acts like they are undermanned. They spit out mediocre content and empty patches. Do they just not have the man power to put out good content so they try and cut corners where they can?
Turtle Wow offers a better classic experience than Blizzard. Fresh content. Modified and polished skill trees that offer variety in viable builds vs cookie cutter min/max to function end game. Prompt and excellent GM service. Bots and gold sellers are aggressively banned. Community conduct and reputation matter for guilds and players, for better or worse.
Rebooting fresh servers and hardcore to sabotage SoD phase 6 war effort was an awful move. When I'm done paying SoD I'm done supporting this awful company.
Lol crazy how much you guys farm this type of content idk about other servers but Nightslayer is extremely active people everywhere idc what content creators do or stop doing because it isnt a reflection of what the average player is doing. You guys hop on the next big hype train and a month later make videos like these.
Because some of us don’t want “Classic Plus on Steroids.” For those of us who like Classic the way it is, the only Classic Plus that I would be interested in would be an official Blizzard-sanctioned Plus with conservative QoL improvements, completed zones that were always closed to us, new quests… and that’s it. No “runes,” in-game store, tokens, welfare epics, flying mounts, alternate currencies, vehicle quests, or other silliness. Unfortunately, Blizzard seems to be utterly incapable of understanding what Classic Plus means to those of us who loved the original Vanilla game and were not enamored with *any* of the expansions.
I can’t really sit idle when it comes to these types of videos. Servers ain’t dead. Botting is a major issue but I literally see active players whenever I play on my Horde or Alliance toons. Your last video was of the same narrative that servers are dying just like the other content creators talking of dead servers doing a disservice to the actual players playing WoW right now. You’re one of the creators you spoke of that’s drifting away from the Classic WoW content we love to watch and now pushing this false narrative of a dead game when there’s a ton of active players. Also WoW Classic population metric websites are not accurate because they only analyze the active raiding community. This version of Vanilla WoW ( Anniversary Servers ) are sped up and now that molten core is out there’s a ton of players still leveling that are not included in these demographics.
I personally enjoy the game the way it is. This is a second chance for players to experience classic wow who missed it out in 2019, including me. People need to focus on positive aspects more, that’s just the beginning, there’re a lot more phases, possibilities and things to be done, I feel you’re a little burnt out Solheim, you were so hyped before launch which is the point I started watching you but now every video you put in your channel about classic fresh servers is with negative connotation, which disappoints me. If you PEOPLE start to focus on positive aspects in the current state you’ll find more and more in time! This doesn’t just apply to the game, but to life in general!
Well once these Dev’s realize they have allowed the game to be ruined then maybe they will do something different but knowing how things go they will be dragging a corpse across Azerothlike they just won something
I assume some of the downfall are on me since i do much Ah on classic and cata +HC and i sell usually at the cheap side just get the stuff off my bags , but since Blizzard/microsoft in thier huge corporate wisdom for max profit cancelled gamecards and gift cards - I cannot play -well since Blizz/MS are a US company I say They really deserve this , and i cannot are less anymore about corporate stunts - I only feel " hate" for their desision .
I thought he said "bottoming" - yeah "bugger" being the bottom EDIT: The definition of insanity is uploading the same video content as a dozen other youtubers have done and expecting a positive result.
You don't seem to understand the problem at all. The bots are not the real issue and blizzard cannot ban them all. The real issue are the players who buy gold from them. And let me tell you it's probably 95% of all legit players who buy gold. People want cheap gold and bots give them exactly what they want. You need to stop putting the flashlight on the bots and start calling out your gold buying colleges that you are playing with, if you are actually interested in solving the problem. 95% of all players like bots, otherwise they wouldn't support them by buying gold from them.
without the bots, when the economy isn't ruined/saturated, gold comes ALOT easier, when the items you farm or get along the way are actually worth something.
@@amNesia_ And? You notice that the people pay for example 5-10$ for a single level in a Maraudon boost. These people would never farm gold, even if the economy wasn't ruined. When no one buys gold, then bots CANNOT exist, do you understand that?
when people say "everyone buys gold" they mean THEY buy gold in classic wow 5 to 10% of players maybe bought gold. Im at max level but Im not that interested in raids,so you will not see me on logs yet
1. Why can't them ban them all? Don't they have any influence on their own game? They lack resources or what? 2. Bots do not solve anything. Wow is a game where you must farm a lot and spend lots of time gathering materials and if people want to save time, then blizzard should make some items less rare and spawn more materials in the open world so people will not spend hours getting them, so bots will not be needed. If the rules are bad, don't break them (like bots do) but change them (so program the game to spawn things more often). 3. 'Dont buy gold so you dont support botters'. But what if botters are an integral part of the game now and if you dont buy gold you basically cant play the endgame anymore? Its like saying dont go to work because you pay taxes and you support the politicians that you dont like.
It’s been shown time and again that blizzard is all about making money, not about making great games. I think when this industry was younger it was less like that that but as time went on investors got involved and it’s all about the money now. That said how is it that bots are better at hardcore than me 😂. I will never reach 60 on a hardcore server.
I'd play Turtle WoW if the client didn't look like total ass on my widescreen monitor. It's stretched and looks like shit no matter what I try. And I refuse to play in a small square window instead of fullscreen.
Blah blah, blizz does nothing about bots. We have bots because of players. Period. It's because players keep buying gold. If player stopped buying bots go away overnight look at ERA right now, no customers, no bots. It's the community fault
Botters make too much money. Theyll just pay for another account if you ban them. Blizz could be making even more money hiring GMs and banning real bots (real bots, not actual players who get mass reported by the botters)
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I have 8 days played and not really sure if I spotted a single bot. This current release has so many upsides, like huge playerbase, no issues with grouping, dual spec which completely outweights what videos like this reportedly are about, yet nobody talks about that.
If you didnt spot a single bot you must have played with your eyes closed. Or perhaps you have pushed the content fast enough to stay above the bot-curve. I was in 1k needles and did some quests yesterday and at the centaur camp there was around 7-8 lvl 29-32 mage bots. I could barely kill any mobs in the area.
@@roffe8751 there's an insane amount of bots in the late night early morning, less in the afternoon
Go and try and farm any herbs at max level. You can't. I had to buy a flask of the titans for 200g yesterday.
you are a liar i played 3 days after release and was in orc camp at lv 1 and they were only trolls hunters and troll orc with clear paths and scripts everywhere
i wonder if hunters called "asfdki" and "gfdgnh" are bots...
GM's intelligence is very high, they do not consider such names something strange.
Asfdki means good luck in my country
@jotaaonetwo4178 ok, but it means bot in wow.
@@adammalinowski8651 GMs? Lol
@@TheCodSaint It was meant to be a double joke because we all know there are no GMs at blizzard.
If you want to play Classic Fresh with minimal botting. Then play on the PvP server. There's a LOT less bots. As they get massacred by the playerbase on both factions.
The real issue with content creators in regards to Fresh classic servers. Is that fact the entire mindset of players on these servers is different than any previous classic server. The servers are layered. Meaning there's more players on any given server than you'd normally have. But you don't SEE that many players. It isn't that the servers are dying. It's that you're layered and still not seeing that many people as a result. The fact that individual servers have more players than other classic servers. Means that supply is much higher on goods. However, the demand isn't as high. Because we have less than a year before TBC pre-patch hits. Many players are just coasting through the leveling process in preparation of TBC. Those that rush to 60 are playing alts instead of gold farming and gear grinding. These servers are glorified casual classic player waiting rooms. As many players are really just waiting to play TBC or even Wrath again. Only hoping that the banning of gdkp makes those expansions a better experience than the first time around (especially wrath with it's wow token BS).
Content creators that made their name making videos on gold farming, gear grinds, and min/maxing classes and builds. Aren't getting the views on their videos right now in regards to the Fresh servers. Because there's far less interest in going hard on these servers (at least right now). So, they're making these click-bait and rage-bait videos to try and boost their numbers a bit. Because their normal formula just isn't working. Similar to how Asmongold resorts to "reaction" content when he's playing a game that causes his viewership numbers to drop.
spineshatter eu pvp is fine, groups everywhere, players all over the place
@@Alpsgotswag same with nightslayer
Did a who on ally around midnight on the PVE anniveriservr. Sure there was 34 hunters in BRD, but only 11 was lvl 60 and noone, neither lvl 60 or the lower lvsl had those stupid names that are not names. ALL of them had names that it's possibly a player would choose, and only 2 out of 34 was guildless. So I think botting on PVP server is WAY worse. People on PVP server are generally more competative, and are so more likely to buy gold to get ahead. The gold buying market is just smaller on PVE server due to the nature of the players that choose to play there. I'm not saying there is not bots there, but the problem is smaller than on PVP servers.
Even still, go on Nightslayer and go to a starter zone like Durotar. Look at how many 4-5 random English character named Mages and Hunters that act EXACTLY the same and randomly wander around killing mobs. It's STILL waaaaaaay too much. I started late, and I'm having to vendor leather, cloth, gems, etc. because I can sell them for more to an NPC than I can get on the AH. =/
@@naejimba yeah just bc they have a "normal" name doesn't exclude them idk why ppl have that misconception if they're hunters all u gotta do is look at their pets and if its chinese that is more often than not 99% of the time a bot hell even looking at their movement and how they go mob to mob is more than enough to tell
It's 100% the way Blizzard handles their game. There is still a very large interest in classic wow, but with integrity. No rmt, no bots etc. Blizzard absolutely chose short term money from.botters over the long term integrity of their IP and it is sinking them. I'm not sad because private servers are on the rise again and the future looks bright there.
if they cut bots they would loose 40% of they income
they are corpos not gamers
@@karlsplkrSource that number, otherwise you’re speaking fiction.
it's so sad that private servers have gms banning bots in 10min of the report and even anti-cheat vs tp/speed-hack but on blizzard servers u get away with it lmao
not defending blizzard here but private servers NEED to do this or their server WILL die apart from your massive servers like Ascension and Warmane.
@@Super_Burrito But if private servers operating on donation can do that, how is it that Blizzard with their billions of $ in revenue can't? It's because they want to sovle the issue.
@ blizzard also has like 100x the players meaning 100x the bots, I’m by no means sticking up for blizzard but for every bot they ban 3 take its place
@@Super_Burrito The scale of players and bots doesn't matter here because Blizzard's revenues scale with them. Also, banning bots early severely reduces their operator's profits. It doesn't matter if they create 3 new ones, as long as they are not hitting high levels with high farming up-time, their cost/revenue ratio will be down the drain and eventually they will stop their operations in WoW and move to other games.
the worst part for a lot of competitive players is the extremely abused and weaponized automated reporting system..
exactly.
EXACTLY!!!!
Yeah it's fucked up
I've said this In-Game Blizzard does not care about Bots at all because the Bots are a net positive for them. Paying monthly accounts, that boost their player numbers, and as a group represent thousands of "players" that will never ask them for a damn thing. Bots don't whine about Class Balance, No changes, Yes changes, Classic+, etc.
Its very easy. Bots are a consequence, the cause are the players Who buy gold. Just punish goldbuyers banning their accounts forever. Problem resolved.
or make it not possible to (effectively) gift things in the game
Then no one will play their game and you'll have even larger population issues lol
Ban a bot account? Are you crazy that's one less subscription.
Blizzard doesn't care about "integrity" for years past. Growing cash shop on retail to then start selling Classic TBC onward.
I'm gonna shatter your lil world. No dev cares about the "integrity" of their games. They're solo motivation is to make money off it? That's it.
Big companies have no problem turning a blind eye to bad things if it benefits them in some way, we see it way too often
I think lots of people have had enough of the original game for now. It has been available since 2019. In my opinion they should have released TBC & Wrath permanent servers alongside the fresh classic server. Between the bots & complete lack of any class balancing in classic its just not much fun anymore. You can only level a warrior so many times.
Blizzard has discussed opening parallel servers for each expansion the Fresh servers transition out of going forward. So that players that want to stay in TBC when it rolls to Wrath. Will be able to transfer their characters over to that. Similar to what they did with Classic when TBC first launched.
they need to make the leveling of every character different
in other words, they need to make the world less static
Just trying to complete my MC attunement, I found 3 hunter bots farming the water elementals you need for MC in EPL. Crazy that they feel like they can farm quest mobs so brazenly! But nothing is done about them.
Its for summon Ragnaros not for the attunement.
@ the douses, yeah sorry
Switch layers.
@@wingedhussar2909 surely the bots are only on one layer
@@Raavyx_ Surely you have options, use them instead of complaining about a non-issue. There's not that many bots on 20th anniversary realms, there just isn't.
So getting rid of bots on the HC server just sends them to our server exponentially increasing our botting problem 😂. I should’ve just went HC
dont buy gold - no bots - simple
Smooth brain take
@@TheCodSaintbots doing the farming for you. Who cares.
On Nightslayer it's so brazen with gold selling and bots you have entire guilds of them. Example do a /who Tuzi. All Chinese mage carries and hunter bots with the only exception being one of other classes for buffs and rogues that they now have botting thorium since the price on gems is so high. 24/7 all day everyday. One real GM would see these tags, see the Chinese pet names or non named pets to escape people seeing the Chinese characters and ban them. Blizzard doesn't want real GM's and they are GLAD these people are ruining Classic. By slapping wrists for gold buying and allowing the botters and gold sellers to run rampant they just get people used to retail MT's and the WoW token.The fact that Ion controls all WoW when Classic ran right could make him look bad is a complete joke. These teams should be completely separate, Ion should have zero say in Classic and you should have people that ran things like Nostalrius in charge.
Classic exists to 1) protect copyright so that private servers couldn't offer the same thing for free 2) as a middle finger to people who no longer want or play retail by Ion who hijacked this game.
Ofc they wont do anything about the bots. 1 bot = 1 subscription. They just dont care anymore. But hey we all still support this shitty company so we shouldn't talk.
The entire pve meta is fucked. You just buy items from saved IDs, HR whatever you need, then wait for weekly lockouts.
Wait is there a way to see what loot is attached to an ID?
what are the hunters doing in BRD
I actually have reason to believe that bots do not transfer to pve servers when they die. There are a couple of bots that turn up with almost the exact same name as the last time i killed them. It is offcourse possible that they made a new account but I think they simply make a new character and try again until they get banned.
And here I was thinking of getting a yearly subscription again.
Is it this bad on sod and era servers?
Turtle wow has no bots
How ironic that bots aren't being banned, meanwhile I got banned for botting a few days ago without ever botting. Makes you lose hope in the game
sure bud
If you're a player who is helping deal with these bots, then you're paying Blizzard to work for them, lol. You're paying to work for a company that doesn't give a sht about you.
Classic wow has been huge on twitch since release. The majority of content creators’ content has nothing to do with bots. This just feels like complaining because it affects your content and trying to get other people to think it hurts them more than it actually does. This is just an anniversary server, go make retail content if you want a more closely monitored economy
You are part of the problem, shilling for the bad business practices that Blizzard is so fond of. The rest of us want quality for what we pay for a service. The quality used to be there. Blizzard enshitified the game to make more money at my expense. You go to retail if you want to shill for Blizzard. Hell, I may be even replying to some bot right now.
@@elguntor these commenters are bots paid off by their creators and blizzard themselves lol
Well @elguntor I have been playing alliance dreamscythe since launch and literally cannot say I’ve heard a single person complain about it. Managed to hit 60 and am thoroughly enjoying the gameplay. Solheim is qqing because he makes money off of gold making strategies and they haven’t been effective because of bots. Regular people playing the game are minimally impacted by bots. Libram of voracity are still 50g which is nice. Thanks bot bros
Don’t know what you’re seeing. Dream is packed AND layered!
People aren’t hardcore raiding? So what? Most folks (like me) are just leveling casually and waiting for tbc.
silly little shill, enjoy your bots
Aren't there just as many bots on retail?
Classic wow is just a 1 year long TBC waiting room.
it wont be tbc era
I don’t agree with this statement
Amen!
Exactly. I want my blood elf paladin back!
Exactly
Yeah i really wanted to play classic again but when i was reminded of the bot problem and how Blizzard never does anything i just stopped. Somehow i always forget about that. Last time i was lucky and played on an overpopulated non english speaking server that was locked until 3 Phase.
once i was in a party with randoms and i notice someone was afk while we are waiting for him in the dung door , and i said " bro dont afk pls move we are waiting " and the leader said to me i need to chill out or leave , and he kicked me after i said to him am chill , and you wonder why no one play . i think the problem is not just boting tbh
Ally or horde?
@@devilhaque ally was ...
@ always...
Blizzard isn’t going to spend a dime on Classic WoW. Pipe dream.
I got ~10 "thanks for reporting!" From blizzard for reporting bots.
First time? Welcome to capitalism. CEO is only paid until next quarter. Everything after that doesnt matter.
Welcome to capitalism. Profits plummet? Distract.
@LibertarianGalt i think i have a good understanding of capitalism
It’s been proven that the bots don’t pay extra subs. Even madskillshc covered this. Also blizzard aren’t going to talk about the bottling issue as they don’t need to discuss it. Botting is a problem though
its because there is no wow token in classic wow ether bot or wow token which evil do u want.
Or, Blizzard could do their job and actually enforce the TOS. Banning bots is easy. You're one of the reasons Blizzard thinks adding a token and cashing in on a problem they created is actually a solution.
shill
Please watch the piratesoftware video on bots its not as easy as it seems. He worked in that department in blizzard and explains very well why its almost impossible to get all the bots.@AeredonXI
as a pvper I don’t get why ppl that don’t like pvp still play tbh
blizzard should just cap pricing on the AH for specific items so the gold sellers cant sell at higher price then resonble for example freezing ring now sells 500g make it cap of 200g then ofcourse they still sell it for this price but tleaaast its aa 300g diffrence saaaaame in retail. but your right it seems blizzard gave up on handeling it.
The only thing i cant understand is they banned gdkps, and i saw one of the reason was to lower the bots and gold sellers. I dont have time to play in normal guilds and prefer gdkps but whatever i like classic tried pvp realms and the whole trade and service channel drive me crazy. What the reason banning gdkp when everyone selling boosts, mara rings, tribute loots, dme loots, hoj service, ubrs jed service and stuff like that, you can be lvl 60 full pre raid bis without playing the game just spending gold.
Fuck this game, I'm just gonna level casually. Economy is so fucked and blizz won't do shit about it.
The best answer by by far is for everyone to play on a PVP server. The other faction can kill all the bots on the other side and they’re easy to kill instant instantaneous box problem cut by 70%. This is mostly an artificial hardcore pve problem.
Your opinion makes no sense the streamers all play hardcore and when you die it’s very discouraging most don’t start again. I don’t blame them it’s just for content
I don't feel the lack of players, dungeon groups and raid groups happen left and right, the world is full of people, cities buzzing with activity, am I delusional ?
No these people just have nothing going on Irl so they obsess over server pops ona game they don’t even wanna play
I'm just going to go to turtle wow. I'm done with this crap
So the solution is to play in a PvP server then ?
If blizzard banned all gold sellers, bots, g2g boosts : ranking etc. I feel that the game won't survive. Probably 50-70% of people that play classic if not more, all in some way profit from playing this game, be it from streaming or content creating (twitch, youtube) or selling gold or boosts. If blizzard really went and banned ALLLL of it, the game will be very dead xD?
Edit: and I feel a lot of times this is why blizzard is doing bare minimum it will impact their own pockets to hard. It's sad tbh
lol Guest you guys coming back to SoD for Naxx and wait for TBC to lunch
When’s the “current state of Palworld” vid dropping 😂
Its so bad lol. DM comes out for 3 days and herb price crashes by 70%. There are so many bots and goldbuyers because we have no gdkp as a gold source
in SOD(but gonna happen in 20th anni too) the GDKP gold makers that also sell gold cant make gold from GDKPs anymore
i notice ALOT more auction house campers compare to the players online and compare to Era/cata doing so normal people cannot sell any items at all and getting instant botted undercut
and 100% sure this is the same GDKP people who basically sell runs for gold and then use that gold to sell it for real money
becuase this is not a issue on era/cata ONLY Sod and the fresh servers
and becuase normal people cannot earn gold from Auction house anymore raw gold farms OR buy gold and then if buying gold more demand on gold for like botters & etc.
if people cannot earn gold from auction house and only raw gold farms then honestly understandable why buying gold
i notice alot more people in general just not having gold at all anymore compare to era/cata becuase they having hard time even selling stuff they farmed on auction house
please rework auction house so those auction house campers standing on AH 24/7 and properly botting it cannot work (even if non bot its still annoying af and you self have to become a auction house camper in order to sell stuff now never had this issue in Era at mid to late 2023 or in WOTLK classic)
Auction house campers i feel like is 1 of the root causes for this issue aswell since they are doing so people cant really make gold so they are starting to buy gold more
noticed the average people barely has enough for raid consummables and if wipes can easy run out
now imagine trying to sell like afew crafted potions: lets say elixirs for spell power 20 of them but you cant becuase like 4 Auction house campers is online(all might be bots) and camping those potions
and as soon you list them they are instant undercut making that average player more gold poor and feel like even more the need to buy gold becuase theirs items never sells
it took me 2 phases to get my epic mount becuase of these people becuase i just said fuck it cant earn gold via auction house anymore time to do raw gold instant and vendor stuff
meanwhile these people possible having all the needed BOEs they need + epic mounts on all chars. they have + over 50k gold and STILL need to ruin it for everyone else
its clear to see those (bot or not) Auction house campers is 1 of the root causes why people have the need to buy gold
If this community could get off the gold buying crack that they all smoke this problem would go away. But no, we can't grind the gold for Epic Mounts or Lionheart Helms. This is a community made issue. Blizz would be morons to actually do something about these bots, they are in this for money not player experience.
Dude I'm having a blast. I have never seen a bot personally but I did s majority instance leveling
For every 1 angry customer who quits, there are 5 bots. It’s a financial decision.
A pve gold-focused wow player can’t really do anything in this age of botting and gold-buying.
I may get banned soon. I killed a hunter bot 😂
I camped a hunter bot and now I'm suspended for 6 months lol
Bots ruined it for me… never going to be 2004 again.
Legit players are the primary villains
why? they are the ones buying gold. They are the ones allowing blizzard to keep doing what they are doing by keep on playing.
"Blizzard doesn't care" "Blizzard isnt doing the bare minimum" "Blizzard wants it this way" - Coming from people who are OUTSIDE blizzard and have no idea what is going on inside. Clearly this video is just a quick click grab because everything you said is pointless since you don't know what is actually going on inside blizzard.
Ex blizzard employees have spoken out. Old GMs who sought to act on bots/ gold buying were fired
I think it's the way people play classic like the live version.
the playerbase is spending millions on gold. sounds like the community is to blame, not blizzard. thats how people want to play wow nowadays. the majority i bet dont want to play 14 hours a day so they can get to level 60. Plus going out on your limited time to fish? Yeah right
And what do you expect? It was cool in 2019, but people will eventually get bored of playing the same game over and over again.
Glad I chose OSRS Leagues XD Sucks I missed the early leveling, doubt I play now. After seeing SoD full, glad I didn't give them another chance.
I quit WoW about 7 months ago due to the botting situation (among other issues). Every few months I wonder why I stopped playing the game. Took 90 seconds to lose interest again. See you in a few months, when I need another reminder that current Blizzard is NOT the company it was 20 years ago.
But if they banned the bots, the bots has to get new accounts. Cause they are not going to stop. So that dosent fly with me. That blizzard are just ignoring it. They would earn more money by banning. But perhaps Blizzard havent thougt about it.
Game has never been in a better shape since 2019. I'm not sure if this guy is trolling or just rage baiting at this point
Era is still BIS
blizzard is taking the same amount of money from bots than real players, if they cut bots they will loose 40% of income on classic wow
why would they do that ? they are suits and corpos not gamers
Say there’s a 50/50 split. 50% of players stop playing. They lose 200% of their profit
i quit before i could ever get started. my warrior got banned for "botting". my warrior is not allowed to fish until bags full... :( i like how thousands of bots are allowed to function, but someone like me just trying to enjoy the game... is not allowed. no no no... i guess i will just have to take my fishing skills elsewhere. maybe a free game like poe2. thats what elon and the cool kids are playing anyway.
submit ticket with "payment issue". this will get you a human. if you were not botting a human will be able to tell that immediately. repeat until unbanned. you have nothing to lose if you're already perma'd
Blizz acts like they are undermanned. They spit out mediocre content and empty patches. Do they just not have the man power to put out good content so they try and cut corners where they can?
Turtle Wow offers a better classic experience than Blizzard. Fresh content. Modified and polished skill trees that offer variety in viable builds vs cookie cutter min/max to function end game. Prompt and excellent GM service. Bots and gold sellers are aggressively banned. Community conduct and reputation matter for guilds and players, for better or worse.
My main reason for not playing wow: if you (the dev) doesn't care about your own game why would i
I lost confidence in Blizzard a decade ago...but I'll enjoy wow classic while it lasts, bots or no bots.
Rebooting fresh servers and hardcore to sabotage SoD phase 6 war effort was an awful move. When I'm done paying SoD I'm done supporting this awful company.
Problem is not bots, problem is players. If the players woudlnt buy gold there would be no bots. Simple as that.
Facts
Lol crazy how much you guys farm this type of content idk about other servers but Nightslayer is extremely active people everywhere idc what content creators do or stop doing because it isnt a reflection of what the average player is doing. You guys hop on the next big hype train and a month later make videos like these.
I don’t understand how some many people play this over Turtle WoW. Why would anyone play Classic over Classic Plus on Steroids (Turtle WoW)?
Because some of us don’t want “Classic Plus on Steroids.” For those of us who like Classic the way it is, the only Classic Plus that I would be interested in would be an official Blizzard-sanctioned Plus with conservative QoL improvements, completed zones that were always closed to us, new quests… and that’s it. No “runes,” in-game store, tokens, welfare epics, flying mounts, alternate currencies, vehicle quests, or other silliness. Unfortunately, Blizzard seems to be utterly incapable of understanding what Classic Plus means to those of us who loved the original Vanilla game and were not enamored with *any* of the expansions.
I don't play for more that 20 days, i q this game!
The only place to play wow is a private server thats run by people too normal to try to profiteer off of it. So not turtle.
I can’t really sit idle when it comes to these types of videos. Servers ain’t dead. Botting is a major issue but I literally see active players whenever I play on my Horde or Alliance toons. Your last video was of the same narrative that servers are dying just like the other content creators talking of dead servers doing a disservice to the actual players playing WoW right now. You’re one of the creators you spoke of that’s drifting away from the Classic WoW content we love to watch and now pushing this false narrative of a dead game when there’s a ton of active players.
Also WoW Classic population metric websites are not accurate because they only analyze the active raiding community. This version of Vanilla WoW ( Anniversary Servers ) are sped up and now that molten core is out there’s a ton of players still leveling that are not included in these demographics.
Okay but now you're just farming the same concept over and over.
I personally enjoy the game the way it is. This is a second chance for players to experience classic wow who missed it out in 2019, including me. People need to focus on positive aspects more, that’s just the beginning, there’re a lot more phases, possibilities and things to be done, I feel you’re a little burnt out Solheim, you were so hyped before launch which is the point I started watching you but now every video you put in your channel about classic fresh servers is with negative connotation, which disappoints me. If you PEOPLE start to focus on positive aspects in the current state you’ll find more and more in time! This doesn’t just apply to the game, but to life in general!
This why you play Turtle wow and wait for project epoch.
Well once these Dev’s realize they have allowed the game to be ruined then maybe they will do something different but knowing how things go they will be dragging a corpse across Azerothlike they just won something
wish i made money off doomer views and had to put out content everyday to be in the algorithm. I bet I would do stuff like this...
Liked and subbed, thanks
let me gues, another video about botting
they are aware of the issue and working against it i had 4 friends in retail get banned for buying gold they just arent talking about it
I assume some of the downfall are on me since i do much Ah on classic and cata +HC and i sell usually at the cheap side just get the stuff off my bags , but since Blizzard/microsoft in thier huge corporate wisdom for max profit cancelled gamecards and gift cards - I cannot play -well since Blizz/MS are a US company I say They really deserve this , and i cannot are less anymore about corporate stunts - I only feel " hate" for their desision .
ban the gold buyers problem solved, remove the demand and bots will magically vanish
I don’t use the AH and I play the game and I have super fun in the PVE server.
They should speed it up
problem not poblem dude
edit: are u german?
I thought he said "bottoming" - yeah "bugger" being the bottom
EDIT: The definition of insanity is uploading the same video content as a dozen other youtubers have done and expecting a positive result.
You don't seem to understand the problem at all. The bots are not the real issue and blizzard cannot ban them all. The real issue are the players who buy gold from them. And let me tell you it's probably 95% of all legit players who buy gold. People want cheap gold and bots give them exactly what they want. You need to stop putting the flashlight on the bots and start calling out your gold buying colleges that you are playing with, if you are actually interested in solving the problem. 95% of all players like bots, otherwise they wouldn't support them by buying gold from them.
without the bots, when the economy isn't ruined/saturated, gold comes ALOT easier, when the items you farm or get along the way are actually worth something.
@@amNesia_ And? You notice that the people pay for example 5-10$ for a single level in a Maraudon boost. These people would never farm gold, even if the economy wasn't ruined. When no one buys gold, then bots CANNOT exist, do you understand that?
when people say "everyone buys gold" they mean THEY buy gold
in classic wow 5 to 10% of players maybe bought gold.
Im at max level but Im not that interested in raids,so you will not see me on logs yet
1. Why can't them ban them all? Don't they have any influence on their own game? They lack resources or what?
2. Bots do not solve anything. Wow is a game where you must farm a lot and spend lots of time gathering materials and if people want to save time, then blizzard should make some items less rare and spawn more materials in the open world so people will not spend hours getting them, so bots will not be needed. If the rules are bad, don't break them (like bots do) but change them (so program the game to spawn things more often).
3. 'Dont buy gold so you dont support botters'. But what if botters are an integral part of the game now and if you dont buy gold you basically cant play the endgame anymore? Its like saying dont go to work because you pay taxes and you support the politicians that you dont like.
Care to elaborate on the endgame statement?
Honestly classic is more lit than it’s ever been
It’s been shown time and again that blizzard is all about making money, not about making great games. I think when this industry was younger it was less like that that but as time went on investors got involved and it’s all about the money now.
That said how is it that bots are better at hardcore than me 😂. I will never reach 60 on a hardcore server.
huge win for turtle wow
Instead of 5000 players, now just 5100 players :D:D:D
I'd play Turtle WoW if the client didn't look like total ass on my widescreen monitor. It's stretched and looks like shit no matter what I try. And I refuse to play in a small square window instead of fullscreen.
Yeah i actually switched to Turtle Wow. Just a better experience.
@@keldor8302 False. You can switch to resolution for widescreen. Literally the exact same as Blizzards Wow soo..
Shoutout to all 500 of y’all playing
stop paying your sub and go play on private servers, problem solved.
Blah blah, blizz does nothing about bots. We have bots because of players. Period. It's because players keep buying gold. If player stopped buying bots go away overnight look at ERA right now, no customers, no bots. It's the community fault
Botters make too much money. Theyll just pay for another account if you ban them. Blizz could be making even more money hiring GMs and banning real bots (real bots, not actual players who get mass reported by the botters)
Night slayer is perfect and working perfectly. This is a streamer problem not a player problem. The PVP server is fantastic and packed with people.