You had me at 14:30 "players that don't do so well at, go and do whatever you want".... So I could literally give a player freedom and they would quit because they "feel directionless."
Yes. It all depends on the player's personality. Some people aren't just good at setting their own goals to do thus if you don't provide proper direction that there's something worthwhile to do they will quit.
Yes a lot of people strugel with an to open concept, in special when they are not aware of there options. Giving them direction to lern the knowlage what is an option to them, they lern how to navigate them self over time with familiarity to the game.
Yeah my friend's GF couldn't get into Elden Ring even though she was really into Dark Souls. She didn't like that the game didn't point her in a certain direction, so she didn't know where she was "supposed to" go. Kind of interesting to hear since I've never fathomed that concept, since I'm big on freedom in open world games.
@@Wolta I feel somewhat similar, but different at the same time. I enjoy games that give me clear, defined goals to complete rather than making up my own. A good example would be, say, a level-by-level platformer like Mario. Just reach the end of the stage, obvious goal. Even in an open world game, if I'm given guidance on where I should start my journey or having an obvious path of progression, that helps a lot. Just putting me into the middle of something with little to no guidance just overwhelms me, and I just don't know what to do.
@@Wolta This was why I didn't enjoy Elden Ring at all despite loving all of the other Souls games, for a similar reason. I followed the paths that graces showed, and smashed my face against Margit. Eventually I got the message and went exploring. I found the lake dragon, and took the message to go somewhere else. I found the teleporting chest, and suffered my way back to Limgrave. I wandered to the castle on the southern tip of the area and after many hours, found a dead end and nothing for my build. I could go on, but in this I also managed to not find anything involving flasks, and almost managed to miss my bell for Spirit Ashes entirely. I did not continue after I beat Godrick. I opened that door at the end and saw another wide open zone, and rather than feel the call of adventure, I groaned and quit. Maybe one day I'll go back, but every time I think I will, I just think of something else I'd rather do. I like open world games normally, but I personally feel Elden Ring did not do it well.
3:15 IM SORRY WHAT? I was enjoying the intro having no idea this was 3h long until I heard this and laughed bc i thought you were joking until i moved the mouse haha First of all, Josh, you're amazing and very passionate. I really really appretiate the content you make. I absolutely enjoyed the last video about the top mmos based on THE CHART. I have a love/hate relationship with RuneScape. I love the IDEA of the game, all it represent, the feelings it brings, but I dont enjoy playing it that much. It's a weird feeling of me wanting to like playing it but I struggle. Now, don't get me wrong, I've played a considerable amount of hours either RS3 or OSRS. The first thing I played was OSRS, I was hooked for the first quests, killing Vampyres, helping Goblins pick a colour of armour, etc., it was all so charming and fun. After a few days, I hopped back in and I just stared at the screen thinking... what now? Then I stopped playing. After a while, I remembered the fun time I had with RS so I tried RS3 that time, I LOOVED the quests so so much, the whole battle system was a bit meh for me but i said "ok" and ignored it. The TP's were good, the longer running time was cheff kiss* but I felt lonely (something I didn't feel at all in OSRS). Almost no one was around, and if i found someone, they were minding their own business and didn't want to talk, also, the game randomly freezed when i teleported forcing me to reopen the game. This video might just be what I need to hear in order to come back to RS, at least to RS3. Again, thank you Josh for the dedication, I'll be posting my thoughts in 3 hours, 1 minute, 41 seconds.
I just started an RS3 Ironman going for the Master Comp cape! Working on video #3 now. Crazy timing seeing this. Gives me a something to enjoy while editing.
I am glad you made this video, I had an RS3 ironman for years before I decided to dip my toes into OSRS and I thoroughly enjoy ironman mode on both games! (Haven't played mainscape in almost a decade I do dislike treasure hunter etc)
58:54 My OS3 experience was leveling starting combat, going to a wiki guide to see efficiency boosts and seeing other skills were needed. I then proceeded to follow those threads to try and create a spreadsheet of minimum levels needed to 1) level those other skills while 2) having all the neccesarry efficiency boosters for those skills. This was so i could minimize as much as oossible any inefficient skilling. After a week i realized id spent like 40 hours putting together a skilling flowchart for a game id spent like 2 hours actually playing, and would already be like 99 in strength if i hadnt bothered, and fucked off back to OSRS. So i feel quite called out here.
Thank you, thats just what i needed now, i'm just having bad end and start of the year, but your well crafted i just what i need now cool off. Just thank you.
Still waiting for the premiere to start. As to "should you," I'm actually curious. I heard things have actually improved since I stopped playing. For me personally, I don't expect I'll go back. I've successfully escaped from the "nobody quits RS" meme. I stopped playing in September 2023, the month that the Hero Pass dropped. After that, I really only logged in once to do a wilderness event and capped resources for the clan citadel. I am very slow at getting myself to switch games, so for Jagex to convince me to drop what I'm doing and go back to RuneScape - that's a very steep task. Playing other games had me realize just how much of the time I spent playing RS was really just me tolerating the things thrown at me. The grind is a big part of RuneScape's core identity and I was all for that, which kept me there for a decade. It was after I quit that I saw their efforts into asking players for their opinions. Perhaps they really did start listening to us. But again for me personally, that's a little bit too late. With the exception of introspection, I'm personally terrible at being a critic. The things I've complained about tend to be in hindsight after someone else has brought it up. This holds true with the games I play, and the employee surveys I get at work.
Something a friend of mine and I came to realize is that the gameplay of RS is not the main draw. The super simplicity of it is there to give us something to socialize with others over. Without the social aspect, RS falls apart.
Hey Josh, super excited to give this a watch tonight! Its been awesome to have you dipping in and out of the community and getting to connect with you for a few videos. Always love what you have to say, happy 2025 to you
as someone who came to fallout 76 from 4 and really didnt get or like mmo stuff, josh has helped me get it through the lense of other mmos and i adore his videos. so thankful for your work bro
I'm genuinely interested in Josh's thoughts on this. I first played Runescape in about 2005 so OSRS has always been the game I chose for simplicity and nostalgia. Don't think I've seen more than 10 minutes of RS3 footage and never had the urge to play
I haven't finished the whole video yet, but regarding the thing about onions, it also has to do with the fact that lots of base food items are consumed through player owned farms to feed animals, with raw chicken at 3k gp because its used to feed dinos
Solid video, expected nothing less. Been playing for 19 years, unlocked the master trimmed completionist cape, and can't really say I disagree with anything said in this video.
damn i didnt expect to watch all of that in 1 sitting... great video as always. there are some things which arent correct or accurate but 99% of the information is true. the power creep making some stuff irrelevant is truly sad but i think thats part of life. back when you were 5 and were playing with toys vs when you are 25 and are no longer playing with those same toys is how i see some of the older minigames. they were fun back then but now you have simply outgrown them and that is perfectly fine. the quests being locked behind such long skilling grinds is a double edged sword. they could make it have no requirements and slap huge rewards and people would complain that they had to skill for hours upon hours for similair rewards from a different quest. while giving something lvl60 or 75 requirment in 1 or multiple skills seems insane to the new players. but it is what it is. overall enjoyed the video very much. also F treasurehunter all my homies hate treasure hunter.
FF14 is actually 440 charactera for $15/month. Just you're only allowed to have a maximum of 8 on them on the same server and 40 on the same datacenter. It also has a very slightly cheaper $13/month sub which "only" gives you 8 per datacenter for a total of 88 characters.
1:24:00 There's Prifddinas, where all the high level high gear players hang out. Varrock grand exchange is only for low to mid level players, with the occasional high level player. The empty grand exchange was one of the reasons I slowly stopped playing.
Bro that first note about RuneScape teaching you that bronze is made from tin and copper is crazy! My fifth grade teacher had asked us if we knew how brass, or bronze, or a penny, something along those lines was made and I said by mixing tin and copper and he was IMPRESSED and asked how I knew that and said from a game I played called RuneScape😂 my answer may not have been entirely correct but he was impressed nonetheless 😂
A thing i suffered with on rs3 was i started it because of twitch prime items but those items are unusable and unbankable without membership so quest like broken home was impossible because those items were impossible to remove from my inv.
Every holiday I pop back into both to check out the events and I remember that my account is damn near unusable because of the bank limit in f2p. Withdraw something and it's in your bag forever. As if it's costing them anything to just let me put my items back into the damn bank
spot on with the questlines, with group irons coming out, and me wanting to go full necormancy bc i love necormancy in games, getting to the point of 84 acheology requirement killed the whole vibe and quit since. its like easygame then ethier waste full week or 2 doing something so fkin boring or just not.
When he said 3 hours I now know when it's time to go to bed. Thank you Fifth monitor Josh Strife Hayes. 40:20 they thought a ton of kids were playing the game, but children these days are not children mentally anymore, they're eldritch beings.
I always imagine weird/bad decisions in games were made by a bunch of guys in suits sitting around a table, probably a whiteboard nearby with a term like 'player immersion' circled a few times, throwing out disjointed ideas and looking very pleased.. and then bringing the results of this spitballing to an exhausted dev team (This is probably inaccurate af, just a fun visual my brain has created)
@@Navhkrin blizzard does charge for race change too and this is a big charge, like 25 dollars. That's like 4 hours of work in half of European countries (south, east, central). But they always ran kinda overpriced services and microtransactions.
To be fair, most modern MMOs change so much your previous high level characters become too difficult to pick up again after a couple of years. And FFXIV is a great example of this as it has so many expansions and the super customisable UI as well. I had to start a whole new character when I accidentally (long story) picked up Dawntrail recently, after dropping out after Stormblood. Because I had the same issues you highlighted here with RS3.
Dude you can get plague end requirement mostly from lamping and feathers on boots, if you do quests you will have lots of keys, you probs play ironman which is why you have to grind agility so much. I got level 75 agility with some lamps and silverhawk feathers.
"or just need a three hour long background video while you're doing something else." "Oh it's just a runescape video, it can't be that-Never mind, time to boot up Soulash I guess."
I played rs3 some years ago before they decided to fully bring osrs back, the last thing i remember playing was some winter area mini game, looking at old school being a memeber i believe its winterdolt you had to walk through a force field and can't enter with certain stuff thats all i rememeber, but in old school thats a members exclusive, in rs3 a few memebers skills can be upgraded up until a point, i remember doing a quest with guthix in it and thats memebers only in osrs, leveling up is alot faster and making 1 mil gp didnt take long on a beginner account but bonds costs way more than osrs, the fighting style in rs3 graphically looks better rs3 look graphically better in all ways, i remember their being a duel sword weapon that osrs doesnt have thats a upside and it attacked fast, this was some years ago when they just released after beta so idk how it is now but rs3 was fun, when they brought osrs back i left it alone and regained my childhood, thats why osrs is popular alot of us played this back when it first came out in the late 90s, both are good same kind of chill fun, one is new aged the other is old school Ps edit: i kinda remember why i hung up rs3, there was a quest you had to slide on ice to a rock to reach another or jump over something and i was just like F this b.s, one of those puzzle like type quests..
You've really found your stride hey? The quality is so incredibly consistent with such strong narration and editing compared to your videos from 3+ years ago
One of the major pain points talked about, the interface, isn't a problem for me. Why? When all this was implemented they still had the options to revert it. Same with combat. I play RuneScape 3 like I played RuneScape 2, somewhat out of spite and somewhat because I just don't want the added complexity. The issue is that when I reverted those updates that was still an option. I don't think you can enable the so-called "Legacy Interface" anymore, and the only option I have on my account is to disable it. Thankfully it's seemingly locked to my account and not my client. Secondly, regarding the skill creep and Ironman...One is a condition of and one is a cure turned accelerator for people playing the game as if it were a single player RPG. As talked about the moments between skilling allowed you to plan and organize, while actually skilling allowed you to sit and talk and goof off. You were rewarded for good planning by getting great conversations and interactions with other people. Cutting out preparation meant people just jumped straight into the skilling and focused entirely on that. Making skilling into a minigame that required attention instead of an idle activity killed that interaction even further, as you had to have the mouse ready all the time, making it harder to type. The biggest difference a viewer will see but likely never notice when watching RuneScape 2 and RuneScape 3 is that people sit around talking a lot in RuneScape 2. Meanwhile in RuneScape 3 there's no reason to talk *at all* if you're playing Ironman, because you can't help or get help by doing trading or group kills. I've been playing RuneScape on the same account since 2003. My friends list has more dead accounts than a graveyard has headstones. Giving newer or lower level players stuff to help them along is how that friends list got so long, but with so many Ironman accounts these days I trade away high level stuff for free like maybe once a year. If that. As an elder it's insane to me that I can't even *give* away full sets of Rune +3 armour these days. The skill creep came about because people kept leaning more and more towards that solo play. Players were burning through the skills, getting the capes, lighting the beacons. The minigames became cognitive drains, their entrances cluttered the map, and the players became resentful of group activities. Dungeoneering became more about getting into the good part of the Mining Guild rather than a quick roguelike session with your friends. The mining update and smithing rework pushed people to buy from bot accounts rather than do the work themselves, inflating the hell out of ores and bars. Invention slowed inflation, but only maxed accounts use it because it's another end-game skill that requires several others to be at a high level to make it worthwhile. Varrock only has travellers going to the Grand Exchange before teleporting off, Lumbridge has people teleporting in only to go to the Fremennik lands, Falador has bots walking back and forth from the Mining Guild to the bank, and even the old standby of Karamja only has maybe one high end player going directly from the boat to the new dungeon on top of the volcano. Everyone is alone because they're all skilling.
I played only for short while when i was a kid, but i always wanted to play again, so i made an ironman account a month ago, payed a membership... and i was paralyzed for a bit what to actually do... then i decided to do all the quests, i set it on timeline and i think i have the best time i ever could have.. but seeing absolutely no players in minigames or skilling areas i remember from back when i was a kid makes me sad (and i know they are filled with people in osrs from the videos of content creators)... i usually feel like i am alone not only bcs i play as ironman and cannot interact with ppl, but often i just dont see any other players around.. its weird
The grind in this game is no joke. I have hundreds of difficult upgrades to invest in for my accounts progression. I quit osrs about a year ago and havent looked back since rs3. Way more polished content and more engaging than osrs will ever be.
I quit osrs a few years ago now. Never played rs3 but I got into TH-cam content for it and I gotta admit it's a good game, probably even better than osrs
I mostly stuck with RS3 because I didn't want to restart my account and the evo of combat ended up maturing well and I had a max cape before necromancy. I actually really like rs3 lore and whenever I come back I get to enjoy new lore development.
Best third monitor video ever.
I only have two but if I'm mostly in afk in the kitchen with my back to the screen isn't that like I'm using my 0th monitor?
@@Todesnuss Audio only is the real 3rd monitor.
I was totally whelmed
Why do you have 3 monitors and not 2?
I'm using my live-action monitor.
Hopefully a 100 hour video for the true experience.
4 days, 14 hours is greater than 100... Josh needs a longer video to match /s
Another video to help the Brazilian aviation industry.
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where is the other 97 hours Josh
Need another playthrough like his morrowind playthrough
I'm buying a 4th monitor for this content
Buy a monitor for your monitor
3 hours is pretty standard for a RuneScape video. I look forward to watching it several times while cutting redwoods.
One watch is one redwood
So excited to watch this! GGs
same bro
Response video?
love to see this man. 4
You had me at 14:30 "players that don't do so well at, go and do whatever you want".... So I could literally give a player freedom and they would quit because they "feel directionless."
Yes. It all depends on the player's personality. Some people aren't just good at setting their own goals to do thus if you don't provide proper direction that there's something worthwhile to do they will quit.
Yes a lot of people strugel with an to open concept, in special when they are not aware of there options. Giving them direction to lern the knowlage what is an option to them, they lern how to navigate them self over time with familiarity to the game.
Yeah my friend's GF couldn't get into Elden Ring even though she was really into Dark Souls. She didn't like that the game didn't point her in a certain direction, so she didn't know where she was "supposed to" go. Kind of interesting to hear since I've never fathomed that concept, since I'm big on freedom in open world games.
@@Wolta I feel somewhat similar, but different at the same time. I enjoy games that give me clear, defined goals to complete rather than making up my own. A good example would be, say, a level-by-level platformer like Mario. Just reach the end of the stage, obvious goal. Even in an open world game, if I'm given guidance on where I should start my journey or having an obvious path of progression, that helps a lot. Just putting me into the middle of something with little to no guidance just overwhelms me, and I just don't know what to do.
@@Wolta This was why I didn't enjoy Elden Ring at all despite loving all of the other Souls games, for a similar reason. I followed the paths that graces showed, and smashed my face against Margit. Eventually I got the message and went exploring. I found the lake dragon, and took the message to go somewhere else. I found the teleporting chest, and suffered my way back to Limgrave. I wandered to the castle on the southern tip of the area and after many hours, found a dead end and nothing for my build.
I could go on, but in this I also managed to not find anything involving flasks, and almost managed to miss my bell for Spirit Ashes entirely. I did not continue after I beat Godrick. I opened that door at the end and saw another wide open zone, and rather than feel the call of adventure, I groaned and quit. Maybe one day I'll go back, but every time I think I will, I just think of something else I'd rather do.
I like open world games normally, but I personally feel Elden Ring did not do it well.
3:15 IM SORRY WHAT? I was enjoying the intro having no idea this was 3h long until I heard this and laughed bc i thought you were joking until i moved the mouse haha
First of all, Josh, you're amazing and very passionate. I really really appretiate the content you make. I absolutely enjoyed the last video about the top mmos based on THE CHART.
I have a love/hate relationship with RuneScape. I love the IDEA of the game, all it represent, the feelings it brings, but I dont enjoy playing it that much. It's a weird feeling of me wanting to like playing it but I struggle. Now, don't get me wrong, I've played a considerable amount of hours either RS3 or OSRS. The first thing I played was OSRS, I was hooked for the first quests, killing Vampyres, helping Goblins pick a colour of armour, etc., it was all so charming and fun. After a few days, I hopped back in and I just stared at the screen thinking... what now? Then I stopped playing. After a while, I remembered the fun time I had with RS so I tried RS3 that time, I LOOVED the quests so so much, the whole battle system was a bit meh for me but i said "ok" and ignored it. The TP's were good, the longer running time was cheff kiss* but I felt lonely (something I didn't feel at all in OSRS). Almost no one was around, and if i found someone, they were minding their own business and didn't want to talk, also, the game randomly freezed when i teleported forcing me to reopen the game.
This video might just be what I need to hear in order to come back to RS, at least to RS3. Again, thank you Josh for the dedication, I'll be posting my thoughts in 3 hours, 1 minute, 41 seconds.
A yes, the perfect video to put on the background of my Rs3 mining grind that is on the background of my OSRS TOA Grind
Shoutout to Melvor Idle. Uses RS’ skill system and progression but in an idle game format
It is also published by Jagex.
Josh knows how to sit back, relax and enjoy and so will I with this MONSTER of a video
I know you from somewhere!!
I know you from somewhere too!
It's the RuneScape man
Very very fair review of the game, a lot of your criticisms resonate with me as a player of four or so years.
I just started an RS3 Ironman going for the Master Comp cape! Working on video #3 now. Crazy timing seeing this. Gives me a something to enjoy while editing.
Gl with the ironman. Guna throw a sub your way, always glad to see new and upcoming rs3 content creators
I'm about to head off on a trip and now I have a fantastic video to accompany me! Thanks Josh!
My man Settled being a sole bread winner of OSRS and bringing it to the mainstream with tileman and swampletics. Insane.
I am glad you made this video, I had an RS3 ironman for years before I decided to dip my toes into OSRS and I thoroughly enjoy ironman mode on both games! (Haven't played mainscape in almost a decade I do dislike treasure hunter etc)
3:10 you got me. i needed a 3 hour video to put on in the background while i do other things.
58:54 My OS3 experience was leveling starting combat, going to a wiki guide to see efficiency boosts and seeing other skills were needed. I then proceeded to follow those threads to try and create a spreadsheet of minimum levels needed to 1) level those other skills while 2) having all the neccesarry efficiency boosters for those skills. This was so i could minimize as much as oossible any inefficient skilling.
After a week i realized id spent like 40 hours putting together a skilling flowchart for a game id spent like 2 hours actually playing, and would already be like 99 in strength if i hadnt bothered, and fucked off back to OSRS.
So i feel quite called out here.
perfect 2nd monitor video while clueing
cheers for the awesome content man!
Thank you, thats just what i needed now, i'm just having bad end and start of the year, but your well crafted i just what i need now cool off. Just thank you.
3:15
Oh god I didn't even realize until that moment. Time to move this over to the other screen for the next 3 hours.
Still waiting for the premiere to start. As to "should you," I'm actually curious. I heard things have actually improved since I stopped playing.
For me personally, I don't expect I'll go back. I've successfully escaped from the "nobody quits RS" meme. I stopped playing in September 2023, the month that the Hero Pass dropped. After that, I really only logged in once to do a wilderness event and capped resources for the clan citadel. I am very slow at getting myself to switch games, so for Jagex to convince me to drop what I'm doing and go back to RuneScape - that's a very steep task.
Playing other games had me realize just how much of the time I spent playing RS was really just me tolerating the things thrown at me. The grind is a big part of RuneScape's core identity and I was all for that, which kept me there for a decade. It was after I quit that I saw their efforts into asking players for their opinions. Perhaps they really did start listening to us. But again for me personally, that's a little bit too late.
With the exception of introspection, I'm personally terrible at being a critic. The things I've complained about tend to be in hindsight after someone else has brought it up. This holds true with the games I play, and the employee surveys I get at work.
Something a friend of mine and I came to realize is that the gameplay of RS is not the main draw. The super simplicity of it is there to give us something to socialize with others over. Without the social aspect, RS falls apart.
Great video! Id probably just continue my long break from osrs before jumping into this one
Hmmm yes, the perfect 3hr second monitor content while I play OSRS. Thanks, Josh!
Does the President of MMOs know you're playing this weird version of Old School Runescape I've never heard of before?
Hey Josh, super excited to give this a watch tonight! Its been awesome to have you dipping in and out of the community and getting to connect with you for a few videos. Always love what you have to say, happy 2025 to you
Loved watching this audio only from my phone! Great video
ITS HERE! Been waiting for this.
I cannot think of a better background video as I work my way through Dragon Slayer II on Old School
as someone who came to fallout 76 from 4 and really didnt get or like mmo stuff, josh has helped me get it through the lense of other mmos and i adore his videos. so thankful for your work bro
I'm genuinely interested in Josh's thoughts on this. I first played Runescape in about 2005 so OSRS has always been the game I chose for simplicity and nostalgia. Don't think I've seen more than 10 minutes of RS3 footage and never had the urge to play
nothing like cracking open 36-45 cold beers and watching a new josh upload!
I'd have about 45 pints in about 2 hours, and I'd have a packet a crips then and maybe an aul packet a peanuts
Say hello to the ratman 😂
Great video, thanks Josh!
I haven't finished the whole video yet, but regarding the thing about onions, it also has to do with the fact that lots of base food items are consumed through player owned farms to feed animals, with raw chicken at 3k gp because its used to feed dinos
Solid video, expected nothing less.
Been playing for 19 years, unlocked the master trimmed completionist cape, and can't really say I disagree with anything said in this video.
Top video, from an absolute legend!
So glad people are still reviewing this game and not ignoring it ❤
damn i didnt expect to watch all of that in 1 sitting... great video as always. there are some things which arent correct or accurate but 99% of the information is true. the power creep making some stuff irrelevant is truly sad but i think thats part of life. back when you were 5 and were playing with toys vs when you are 25 and are no longer playing with those same toys is how i see some of the older minigames. they were fun back then but now you have simply outgrown them and that is perfectly fine.
the quests being locked behind such long skilling grinds is a double edged sword. they could make it have no requirements and slap huge rewards and people would complain that they had to skill for hours upon hours for similair rewards from a different quest. while giving something lvl60 or 75 requirment in 1 or multiple skills seems insane to the new players. but it is what it is.
overall enjoyed the video very much. also F treasurehunter all my homies hate treasure hunter.
FF14 is actually 440 charactera for $15/month. Just you're only allowed to have a maximum of 8 on them on the same server and 40 on the same datacenter.
It also has a very slightly cheaper $13/month sub which "only" gives you 8 per datacenter for a total of 88 characters.
Just started a GIM with four friends...excited to watch this!
54:30 some people hate this type of game play, but by god I love games that do this.
I just gotta say: I love these long videos on my second monitor.
3 hour video 🔥 THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT BABY, WOO HOO 🎉 Been a minute since I've been here 😅
Awesome video Josh! I look forward to the next one, maybe BDO? ;)
Gonna need a 1000 hour video for that one
"A whip in RS3 is worth 71 onions"
(43:48)
This will probably be the most impactful video ever on TH-cam, I’d imagine
Josh playing rs3 is just awesome!
1:24:00 There's Prifddinas, where all the high level high gear players hang out. Varrock grand exchange is only for low to mid level players, with the occasional high level player. The empty grand exchange was one of the reasons I slowly stopped playing.
You can have up to 65 characters in World of Warcraft (retail) per account, by the way. But love the vid! :)
Bro that first note about RuneScape teaching you that bronze is made from tin and copper is crazy! My fifth grade teacher had asked us if we knew how brass, or bronze, or a penny, something along those lines was made and I said by mixing tin and copper and he was IMPRESSED and asked how I knew that and said from a game I played called RuneScape😂 my answer may not have been entirely correct but he was impressed nonetheless 😂
A thing i suffered with on rs3 was i started it because of twitch prime items but those items are unusable and unbankable without membership so quest like broken home was impossible because those items were impossible to remove from my inv.
Every holiday I pop back into both to check out the events and I remember that my account is damn near unusable because of the bank limit in f2p. Withdraw something and it's in your bag forever. As if it's costing them anything to just let me put my items back into the damn bank
I am tired for you. Incredible content lately (and always).
55:17 Oak trees are 10 woodcutting these days, so that particular step wasn't necessary
Oh crap it's finally here... torn between watching it now or listening while I drive for work lol
spot on with the questlines, with group irons coming out, and me wanting to go full necormancy bc i love necormancy in games, getting to the point of 84 acheology requirement killed the whole vibe and quit since. its like easygame then ethier waste full week or 2 doing something so fkin boring or just not.
Hell yeah, more Josh!
"There are no classes in runescape" Me immediately crumbling into dust as i recall making my first account in Classic and picking a class.
When he said 3 hours I now know when it's time to go to bed.
Thank you Fifth monitor Josh Strife Hayes.
40:20 they thought a ton of kids were playing the game, but children these days are not children mentally anymore, they're eldritch beings.
Just in time to airbrush prime a 40k army! thanks Josh!
Thanks JSH for another banger.
If I was putting together an MMO team I would hire this guy to make our spread sheets.
I always imagine weird/bad decisions in games were made by a bunch of guys in suits sitting around a table, probably a whiteboard nearby with a term like 'player immersion' circled a few times, throwing out disjointed ideas and looking very pleased.. and then bringing the results of this spitballing to an exhausted dev team
(This is probably inaccurate af, just a fun visual my brain has created)
In regards to ammunition. I can think of nothing better than not having to worry about losing Ammo. I love my Ava's
Getting full mithy will always be a core memory for me.
3 hour background video while i play RS3, what a day!
Masterpiece! You Josh, not Runescape 3
6:09 irons can boss with anyone.
correction on ffxiv it is 15 a month for 8 characters on EVERY SERVER
Though FFXIV charges for changing appearance which is just flipping some bits on server.
@@Navhkrin blizzard does charge for race change too and this is a big charge, like 25 dollars. That's like 4 hours of work in half of European countries (south, east, central). But they always ran kinda overpriced services and microtransactions.
Shilo Village has dedicated gem rocks in OSRS as well, though it's the only spot in the entire game with those.
a 3 hour video? perfect for my hunting rumors and agility training xD
My Old School brain just can't process cows with 1000 hp
To be fair, most modern MMOs change so much your previous high level characters become too difficult to pick up again after a couple of years. And FFXIV is a great example of this as it has so many expansions and the super customisable UI as well. I had to start a whole new character when I accidentally (long story) picked up Dawntrail recently, after dropping out after Stormblood. Because I had the same issues you highlighted here with RS3.
I killed several hundred mountain lions in Hillsbrad to this video. nice moves Josh. i kinda want to try rs3 now.
I'm so glad that The Hole is still going.
Dude you can get plague end requirement mostly from lamping and feathers on boots, if you do quests you will have lots of keys, you probs play ironman which is why you have to grind agility so much. I got level 75 agility with some lamps and silverhawk feathers.
Didn't know runescape 3 looks this good.
rs3 is good in its own way, gets bad wrap because of the mtx, a thing you really do not need to touch
Lets gooo swampman shoutout!!!
00:30:10 "your current assignment is: cows"
Can’t wait for the 6 hour video on the “I played Old School RuneScape for 100 hours”.
I was curious for a while why is Runescape 3 so much less popular than Old School Runescape and how it's actually to play these days so thanks Josh!
"or just need a three hour long background video while you're doing something else."
"Oh it's just a runescape video, it can't be that-Never mind, time to boot up Soulash I guess."
I’ve been waiting for this video for months now. This is a dream come true fr
I'm so fucking excited to watch this dude
I’m watching this while playing osrs
I played rs3 some years ago before they decided to fully bring osrs back, the last thing i remember playing was some winter area mini game, looking at old school being a memeber i believe its winterdolt you had to walk through a force field and can't enter with certain stuff thats all i rememeber, but in old school thats a members exclusive, in rs3 a few memebers skills can be upgraded up until a point, i remember doing a quest with guthix in it and thats memebers only in osrs, leveling up is alot faster and making 1 mil gp didnt take long on a beginner account but bonds costs way more than osrs, the fighting style in rs3 graphically looks better rs3 look graphically better in all ways, i remember their being a duel sword weapon that osrs doesnt have thats a upside and it attacked fast, this was some years ago when they just released after beta so idk how it is now but rs3 was fun, when they brought osrs back i left it alone and regained my childhood, thats why osrs is popular alot of us played this back when it first came out in the late 90s, both are good same kind of chill fun, one is new aged the other is old school
Ps edit: i kinda remember why i hung up rs3, there was a quest you had to slide on ice to a rock to reach another or jump over something and i was just like F this b.s, one of those puzzle like type quests..
I'm grabbing all the popcorn for this 🍿🍿🍿
You've really found your stride hey? The quality is so incredibly consistent with such strong narration and editing compared to your videos from 3+ years ago
One of the major pain points talked about, the interface, isn't a problem for me. Why? When all this was implemented they still had the options to revert it. Same with combat. I play RuneScape 3 like I played RuneScape 2, somewhat out of spite and somewhat because I just don't want the added complexity. The issue is that when I reverted those updates that was still an option. I don't think you can enable the so-called "Legacy Interface" anymore, and the only option I have on my account is to disable it. Thankfully it's seemingly locked to my account and not my client.
Secondly, regarding the skill creep and Ironman...One is a condition of and one is a cure turned accelerator for people playing the game as if it were a single player RPG. As talked about the moments between skilling allowed you to plan and organize, while actually skilling allowed you to sit and talk and goof off. You were rewarded for good planning by getting great conversations and interactions with other people. Cutting out preparation meant people just jumped straight into the skilling and focused entirely on that. Making skilling into a minigame that required attention instead of an idle activity killed that interaction even further, as you had to have the mouse ready all the time, making it harder to type.
The biggest difference a viewer will see but likely never notice when watching RuneScape 2 and RuneScape 3 is that people sit around talking a lot in RuneScape 2. Meanwhile in RuneScape 3 there's no reason to talk *at all* if you're playing Ironman, because you can't help or get help by doing trading or group kills. I've been playing RuneScape on the same account since 2003. My friends list has more dead accounts than a graveyard has headstones. Giving newer or lower level players stuff to help them along is how that friends list got so long, but with so many Ironman accounts these days I trade away high level stuff for free like maybe once a year. If that. As an elder it's insane to me that I can't even *give* away full sets of Rune +3 armour these days.
The skill creep came about because people kept leaning more and more towards that solo play. Players were burning through the skills, getting the capes, lighting the beacons. The minigames became cognitive drains, their entrances cluttered the map, and the players became resentful of group activities. Dungeoneering became more about getting into the good part of the Mining Guild rather than a quick roguelike session with your friends. The mining update and smithing rework pushed people to buy from bot accounts rather than do the work themselves, inflating the hell out of ores and bars. Invention slowed inflation, but only maxed accounts use it because it's another end-game skill that requires several others to be at a high level to make it worthwhile. Varrock only has travellers going to the Grand Exchange before teleporting off, Lumbridge has people teleporting in only to go to the Fremennik lands, Falador has bots walking back and forth from the Mining Guild to the bank, and even the old standby of Karamja only has maybe one high end player going directly from the boat to the new dungeon on top of the volcano. Everyone is alone because they're all skilling.
I played only for short while when i was a kid, but i always wanted to play again, so i made an ironman account a month ago, payed a membership... and i was paralyzed for a bit what to actually do... then i decided to do all the quests, i set it on timeline and i think i have the best time i ever could have.. but seeing absolutely no players in minigames or skilling areas i remember from back when i was a kid makes me sad (and i know they are filled with people in osrs from the videos of content creators)... i usually feel like i am alone not only bcs i play as ironman and cannot interact with ppl, but often i just dont see any other players around.. its weird
Keeping the aviation industry alive i see
This game seems like it would be steam deck friendly with the way combat is designed
Somewhat, I wouldn't recommend high level PVM on a steam deck but most activities are extremely low APM
both rs3 and osrs are pretty mobile friendly, some end game content might be a bit much for most, but all content is totally doable mobile.
? Unless you use a mouse and keyboard attachment of course.
I play handheld on mine occasionally but I play docked on an rog ally more
The grind in this game is no joke. I have hundreds of difficult upgrades to invest in for my accounts progression. I quit osrs about a year ago and havent looked back since rs3. Way more polished content and more engaging than osrs will ever be.
I quit osrs a few years ago now. Never played rs3 but I got into TH-cam content for it and I gotta admit it's a good game, probably even better than osrs
@kingofracism create an account bro. Trust me. You still get the osrs vibe but it's just a more refreshing game
"or you need a 3 hour background video while you do something else"....I'm feeling called out.
I mostly stuck with RS3 because I didn't want to restart my account and the evo of combat ended up maturing well and I had a max cape before necromancy. I actually really like rs3 lore and whenever I come back I get to enjoy new lore development.
I see josh, I click, i listen to the whole video.
Playing Cata WoW while putting this on my third monitor, I feel called out several times in the first five minutes!
Typical Josh Strife Hayes W video
Sorry I am only here because I can’t stop rewatching the Animyst video. I need more , and it’s eating at me.
They definitely put the wiki button in there because half the old quests are bugged and that's easier than fixing them