Game will be shitty. Microsoft ruins everything they touch. After this is reviewed like anthem. They will announce pillars of eternity III. It’s development will take 6 years and it’ll be eventually cancelled or come out unfinished with 4 different directors bc 3 were fired
Combat looks mediocre. It seems as if there is no weight to the weapons. Also the artstyle completely misses the tone established by PoE. Eora wasn´t necessarily dark and gritty but it was dark for sure, Avowed looks like a cartoon from DC
I'm truly excited for the game, but I wish your showcase of it was better. This looks like a Kickstarter presentation. This close to launch is the time to "WOW" people. You (and we) need this franchise to stay alive! Anyways, I hope more excitement is on the way. Thank you for your work.
Exactly. I hate the heavily edited "marketing" they do now. I miss the days of say when BGS showed off Skyrim at Quakecon by just picking up and playing. Still scripted but it gave a FAR better sense of the "player experience" vs showing salespeople dumping buzz words.
Obsidian, if you're reading this: the game looks fantastic, but please implement ragdoll for enemy corpses or try to add more dynamic death animations to make killing enemies more rewarding.
@@warsp1te 01:18 - Skeleton blasted with pistol, 01:44 - Xaurip killed with pistol, 01:48 - Xaurip killed with wand, 02:03 - Xaurip killed with special attack, 02:11 - Xaurip killed with wand, 02:15 - Xaurip killed with sword. All obviously ragdolls and there are more throughout. In fact, I'd say they need to include animations before they immediately ragdoll, or better yet, use ragdoll/animation blending. Right now it looks like they just flop to the floor. Not great.
Yeah, the 01:18 looks great. But for the rest of them it's obvious that the force and speed of the projectiles have no effect on the enemies. @@monsterurby
Imo it doesn't have any weight to it. If you slice an enemy with a huge sword you should see the damage you are doing on the enemy. Right now there is zero visible damage.
Yes it's real bad. The combat has 0 weight and most people blame the animations and I agree but I also think its the sound design. Think about in skyrim when you cast firebolt, there is the initial pop when the spell is ready to cast and then the almost cannon like bang when you launch the spell, the sound alone does 70% of the job. Here... Well lets just say pushing it to 2025 would still not be enough. This looks like what you would get when you try to make a AAA game on an indie game budget.
@@ihatenamehoggs Exactly! The sound as you say is not up to standards and it has zero weight. Incredible how Skyrim a game from what? 12,13 years ago plays and feels better than this.
This looks underwhelming, like a cheap AA game, or something for Kinect. Combat is dumb and weightless, the animations are janky, the enemies all die in the same way. The effects look cheap, the lighting is off, there's no proper shadowing or AO, it just completely misses the mark.
This came off really overproduced and kind of soulless. Next time just let’s devs talk about it instead of these pre written PR speeches. “That means you can play however you want. Equip a sword and shield and charge into battle!” Like c’mon guys what is that 😂 you’re basically telling us there’s multiple weapons, don’t patronise us. That aside I hope this game is good and does well
This game looks sick and I can't wait! That said, I HATE that this was presented to us like we are f#@$&+* investors. "Here are obsidian, our goal is to blah blah blah.* I threw up in my mouth a little.
Hold up - the original video, which had tons of (productive) criticism in the comments got privated, and then you reuploaded it and now this has almost exclusively positive comments? Well, that's not a good sign.
Any risks taken? Any innovation? Looks like the same ol' 3 or 4 dialogue choices. Environments we have seen over and over... another desert Combat looks fine, not dyanamic just fine.
UE5 game. Prepare for many desert/rocky/stone temple environments. The photogrammetry stuff and other features in UE5 like Nanite make it excel at specifically those kinds of environments and materials.
When did people decide to just start shitting on Obsidian over nothing? New Vegas gets this effusive praise - a lot of it deserved while a ton of the games' flaws are ignored, Bethesda tanks Fallout, people start hoping Obsidian saves Fallout with TOW for some reason, and when TOW plays like an Obsidian title instead of a Bethesda title, people start throwing out relentless bad faith attacks on them. It's baffling to me.
@@martyfromnebraska1045 May stem from the luke warm nothing burger that was The Outer Worlds. Modern gaming is not in a great place and people's money matters. So we wanna make sure it's worth the pricetag.
@@martyfromnebraska1045 Because "Obsidian title" as you described means something underwhelming and uninspiring. Outer Worlds was mid, and the marketing for that game was aggressive so they had to back it up. Dont be surprised that we are skeptical of this game, as like bethesda, they seem to be taking pointers from mid game design and failing to improve and innovate.
PoE 1 and 2 are some of my favourite games of all time. Ever since New Vagas I have been hoping Obsidian would make a fantasy first-person rpg and the speed at which they have been able to put this game together is nothing short of amazing. We've been waiting well over a decade for the next Elder Scrolls game. Meanwhile in just a few short years we have an rpg in one of, if not the best, fantasy settings from this generation.
@@rayymond73 im hoping the faction mechanics from poe2 makes it in this game. roleplaying as a trader, adventurer or cuthroat pirate making deals and betrayals was the best part of poe2. one of my playthroughs i was a double agent for the pirates, i would do quests for the trading company while feeding info and quest items to the pirates in return for a ghost ship, all while i was under cutting other factions. the end resault was a massive naval battle that resaulted in the pirates taking the region over while all the other factions fell apart
Looks insanely boring, weapons lack a certain 'oomph', the dialogue options look very meh, and the dialogue segments seem quite choppy. Was expecting a lot more from this game, but now I'm not interested at all
It looks weirdly outdated and not in a good way. Especially the dialogue system. After BG3 and how conversations were delivered there, Devs really need to do better. Combat is stiff. It feels like it needs lots more time in the oven. Hopefully the story is good.
Guys, your combat gameplay needs a lot of polish, look at the games like darktide smooth it up a notch. Looks clunky to me. All of my best wishes may be with you, and good luck on this colossal endeavor.
@@angelgustavoulloagalvez3366I would say it looks worse than skyrim, I think that the sounds are to blame or the AI but even if you ignore those.. floaty weird choppy
Pretty worried about how little impact the combat seemed to have and DEFINITELY a bit turned off by how HARD they were clearly reading a card in front of them instead of just talking about the game they made and how it works. Do they not know actually? or is this just overly scripted because it was for the showcase?
The game has evolved a lot in the graphic part is very beautiful, but the gameplay I found very slow, stuck, no impact, and the enemies attack in a way that is not challenging or strategic needs to improve
@@theobell2002 I don't really understand his criticism about FOV, nor do I understand the conclusion about him being a console player. Would love an explanation, if anyone's willing to waste their time explaining it to me.
@@Swisscheez1 yeah but I mean beyond that, like I hope for at least a trilogy and I hope avowed becomes a trilogy, outside of the pillars game. I know I’m thinking far ahead but I really love these franchises.
I just hope they make another Pillars of Eternity. I loved both games and this title's a bit of a disappointment for me. I'm glad that at least it takes place in the same universe
For me that's almost a must, like seriously we only get 2 races, and I understand that to a degree, but if they cut corners there, the classes or let's call them archetypes should be well made in game. Not just a cookie cutter mana bar, but actually meaningful difference between chanters, ciphers, mages, clergy etc, but I'm not all that hopeful on that front.
@@tobiasL1991oh man chanters, I hope they don't get screwed over and ciphers I guess. As a wizard I'm worried pure mage gameplay isn't possible either.
My favorite class of any RPG. If no Cipher I honestly might just pass on this. Nothing stands out as remotely interesting so far. Really wish they would have done Pillars 3.
Combat looks terrible and why are we still seeing robotic looking NPCs after all these years. You would think these studios would have improved upon their animations over the years so they don't just look like a bunch marionette puppets and not actual natural people. Other games are miles ahead of this.
Ok, this has a great art style. I think combat looks a bit off, but we’ll only know when we play, and there is still time to fine tune it before release. I trust Obsidian, they are like Bethesda, but actually historically good.
I like obsidian but this looks wrong, the combat was clearly intended to be fast and need quick reaction time but it's slow and the enemies telegraph their attacks more then North Korea and the NPCs look not ugly but like they were designed based on reference material that doesn't fit the world or environment they're in and the glowing light on dead bodies and points of interest just feels wrong at least in games like skyrim it's the compass pointing to them
The game looks really good, but more blood splatter and some shaking (or other visual effects) when striking in melee would go a long way toward making combat feel less weightless without relying on animations.
The biggest problem i had with the outer worlds & it looks the same here. Is how bland & off putting the voice acting is. Other than that, i'm excited.
Wait wait? Did obsidian just showed " Give dogtags or fight the dude" As their promo quest? Not white glove kind of quest, not even a goodsprings showdown?
@@fubsmcbubs The first POE wasn't bad because it had very little to no snark. POE 2 changed that and Avowed looks like it's gotten worse. The marvel-esque dialogue and tone makes me sick to my stomach and it looks like this game is going to be full of it.
I don't know, having mixed feelings. 3 choices for a quest? Good, neutral, bad choice? I kind of expected more from Obsidian, but I guess we will have to see when you guys reveal more details.
I mean 3 actual choices is already huge, maybe switch choices into grey good, grey neutral and grey bad and it turns into quite a cunondrum real quick. More choices doesn't mean better choices. I want either a good quests without choices but very well done, think most basic TW3 quests or a few strong options, even just two.
It is worth noting that this seems to just be down one branch of a dialogue tree (potentially) since it looks like this is after the player refuses him originally. So, I don't think this is definitive enough to say yet for this particular quest.
@@tobiasL1991 That's not true. There are multiple of RPG games, especially the old ones that provide a lot more choice in dialog, which creates a lot more depth to every conversation. Owlcat games for example, Planescape Torment from the classics, or Fallout 1/2. More choices in a RPG games in general = better. As long as the writing isn't shit.
how was this so botched, with the awareness that obsidian fans want a really RPG RPG, i can’t help but feel that Microsoft probably drove them in this action focused linear direction
I’m sure that despite your character build you’re going to have access to all/most weapon types because they feared alienating players when unique and individualized builds across multiple playthroughs are a hallmark of this genre
I was really hoping we would get to see a deeper dive into character creation, customization, attributes, skills, etc. Some of the deeper and richer roleplaying mechanics that you are known for. I am sure they are there, but I was hoping to at least get a glimpse of them. I am hoping as well that spears are wieldable in the game. We saw some of the enemies using them, but that does not mean we get to. War really hoping one of the loadouts would show them. Far too often spears are forgotten in fantasy games. Especially action rpgs/first person rpgs. Polearms are my favorite kind of weapon so I am hoping we get to wield them in the game.
"Best we can do is an extreme scope reduction and shift to targeting a T rating or lower". I wouldn't hold your breath for these things. I'd expect similar depth to The Outer Worlds, if not less.
Hopefully yall remember how to make video games, and not a "inclusive" McDonalds commercial or a shit survival game. Maybe you'll even remember how to make characters that don't bore people to tears.
Looks like they pivoted to making Avowed a kids/"young adult" game in hopes of benefiting from a larger addressable market, while avoiding direct comparison to the bigger budget RPGs. Probably targeting a T rating, if not even lower. I think this choice was made pretty far into development and was also accompanied by a significant reduction in scope. It's probably not completely open world, and is instead semi-open world, similar to the act structure in Baldur's Gate 3. This choice to target a lower rating can be seen in the lack of blood, large number of non-human enemy types, lack of brutality in the combat system/animations, very saturated color palette, and the overall art style. Not only is this a shift from the original announcement trailer, but the vestiges of the previous darker tone can be seen in the dissonance between the narrative of the game/subject matter of quests and the art style/environments. I expect lots of rocky/desert environments as well since UE5 is especially good at making these look "next-gen". Probably going to be 30FPS on consoles and run at sub-1080p most of the time on series S. If I had to guess, I'd say the metacritic rating settles around a 78/100 assuming that performance isn't too big of an issue. Although there is the very real possibility that it is, due to being a new IP, the use of UE5, and being required to support the Xbox Series S. The discussion about the game at launch will likely be about of the tone shift away from the much darker original announcement, the reduction in the scope vs player expectations, the future of the POE IP, how MSFT/Xbox manage their 1st party studios, and whether Obsidian games will continue targeting younger audiences.
I really hope this ends up being great. There is no doubt Obsidian will do the quests and story justice. Combat has me a little bit worried. Hopefully, it's not too fast-paced and allows time for tactical decisions. In the meantime, footage from POE 2 reminded me how great those games are. Have to go and finish it before this comes out.
@@hansolo5912TOW was amazing wdym maybe without the dlcs it feels a bit empty cuz i played with all dlcs (and even then i was left wanting) but the story was great
Dude, it's a scam. i am so sorry, but it's not Obsidian who does story and quests justice. It really seems that it's only Sawyer and he is not a part of this game. Yet they will pitch PoE and new vegas on one hand and outer worlds and this on another as Obsidian games. They are from different directors and might even be different decision-making teams
the combat, the enemys animations and the faces of the characters look like dog shit, please improve it upon the release or we will have another redfall situation and it would be sad to see obsidian going through what arkane austin went through with that disastrous launch
I don’t think SOT has these graphics,I think your referring too the combat and animations.I’ve played SOT a lot and it looks nothing alike,Looks like Unreal engine 5
LOVED pillars of eternity one and two and excited to get back to this universe. I really hope the RPG elements are on point and the combat looks like it needs work
@@maboilaurence8227oh wow I didn't know that. Yikes... This combat is polar opposite of vermintides responsive juicy brutal orgasmic combat. I don't get it.
@obsidian just two points I'd like to make that seems to be the general reception for the game. One the combat seems to floaty not enough weight or impact to the attacks and two the UI and VO are seriously lacking at least in this little snippet. You guys have never let me down before making games that I love so I have faith this game will be amazing. Just wanted to leave a little constructive criticism. So excited for fall
I don’t like that it sounds like Skyrim where you can go from being a spell caster to a two handed melee attacker to shooting pistols. No determined classes like PoE
Yeah specialization is really important. Maybe through a perk system it will soft force specializing. Imagine in poe1&2 if every character did everything. Boring
I've been hyped for this game since the announcement millennia ago, thought it was gonna take some inspiration from Arx Fatalis, but I'm becoming less enthused the more I see. Still rooting for it to be a hit! I hope it has more enemy variety than Outerworlds.
This game is set in Poe universe,but you expect it to be inspired by arx fatalis? See this is why we cant have nice things,people just say the dumbest retarded random shit they can think of,0% thought involved.
while the visuals are good, this seems lackluster, and the combat is slow, melee attacks "feel" horrible, look at Souls and Dragon's Dogma, even Skyrim's hack/slash "feels" more organic. Also this quest was a horrible choice and seemed meh, nothing about this screems Obsidian, and I'm talking about SWKOTOR2 and Fallout:NV Obsidian era.
@@Sixdayincursionit has no weight and its almost like all the hits arebt really connecting. Also the ai is just standing there waiting for you to interact with them.
My theory: initially this was going to be a huge RPG. Obsidians answer to the Elder Scrolls. Microsoft was all in and they fully funded it. That was when we got that first teaser trailer. But then Microsoft actually bought Bethesda. And because Bethesda is the more famous name, Microsoft curbed the funding, and Obsidian had to downsize, because they couldn’t fulfill their vision with the funding they had. So instead of a dark, massive Fallout New Vegas meets Skyrim game, we’re getting….. this…. Fantasy Outer Worlds. And I’m sorry but Outer Worlds was lame. IMO when it comes to open world 3D RPG’s nowadays, you have to go all out. Otherwise just make a really good 2D indie RPG like Hollow Knight. But these, like, double A 3D open world RPG’s are always lame. Because I’m always just feeling like “man, there should me more”.
Exactly this, put it better than I ever could have. That’s exactly why The Outer Worlds was so disappointing to me as well. I was really hoping they would step up their game with this one now that they have Microsoft behind them, but your theory makes a lot of sense.
i dont play obsidian games for the combat so as long as the story has reactive and impactful choices im satisfied. although, unsure why, when the game seems to be first person only, the dialogue has this weird camera angle behind the shoulder/to the side? why not just make it first person like outer worlds was?
My biggest gripe here is the lack of third person perspective. What use is character creation and gear, if you can't even see what you look like? This was also my biggest issue with The Outer Worlds. I don't need the 3rd person view to be optimal for combat, I just need it to be there. Alas, it can't be helped. I'll still give this a go and probably like it a lot. Obsidian did good with the Outer Worlds and player directed gameplay has always been their strong suit, even if they haven't really managed to hit the sweet spot of open world exploration and strong intertwining narratives of New Vegas since then. Then again, is it really fair to compare anything with New Vegas? No game has quite managed to pull off the things that game did and unfortunately probably never will again.
Huge disappointment. This game will absolutely be Obsidian's shame... It genuinely looks like their worst game and likely the only one I wont enjoy... what a fucking let down.. What even is this crap
Thank yo my so much for keeping the franchise alive. PoE 1 and 2 had so much interesting lore and world building, and I can’t wait to see what this brings. Although I was a little disappointed that you all were moving away from isometric top down, I hope first person perspective is able to give the characters a lot more life. I’m hoping this is a big hit so we can see the franchise continue to blossom with lots of new games.
While this game has been on my radar since its announcement, I was unaware it was connected to PoE. I've never played (and honestly have little interest in) PoE, but I am an avid fan of rich, immersive fantasy worlds. So I'm looking forward to learning more about Eora as a newcomer
This has got a one and done gamepass vibe. What about outer worlds made them think anoth first person rpg would work. 1st person rpgs suck.... This is not poormans skyrim, looks more like poormans Greedfall. Microsoft need to keep and eye on what these studios are spending the money on.... Arcane and now Obsidian phoning it in.
@@Matchplains No it is a personal opinion. Zero replayability for me on first person rpgs. Armor, customisation etc, one of the most enjoyable aspects of rpgs becomes completely irrelevant... I enjoyed cyberpunk and phantom liberty, but probably wont play it again for many years. Plus a game like this to appear in this state after Baldurs gate 3... It is a shame as loved Deadfire and liked pillars though was a bit dated by the time I got to it. Gamepass is great but it will dumb down studios like this as they need to pump out games that are style over substance. Oh and Arcane..... Redfall that is all 😂
I agree the "one and done vibe" is exactly what I'm thinking but hopefully I'm wrong. I'd love a more serious, darker vibe game with replayability like New Vegas.
Everything I start to think "wow this game is gorgeous" some ability or effect causes (to me) the hideous bright neon colors that make it feel like a cheesy arcade game and immediately breaks immersion which sucks because I love poe 1 and 2 and the grittiness of the world.
Just like every game out there. Gritty realism is my preference not cartoony and vibrant. The teaser trailer was gold, this is not the direction I would like. If you do, good for you but this has been done 100x
Not as much as this cartoonish style. I don’t think gritty realism can ever be done to death because it’s easier to immerse yourself in a game that looks real, not like something from the Disney channel
The graphics looks like it's a mobile game or a Kickstarter project, so clean and unrealistic, so guys don't say it's a new skyrim, but if the gameplay, classes, combat and what's more important storyline is as good as in Poe 1-2 at release it would be a strong 1st person version of Poe (Poe3), not a next generation fantasy rpg sadly, so still w8ing for tes6 😂
This Game Director ruined this game. Literally, all anyone wanted was the Dark Fantasy Obsidian RPG that was featured in the original Avowed trailer. Now it’s a cartoony, rainbow of Fornite glitterbombs. What waste all everyone wanted an Obsidian take on Skyrim. What a waste of all of Obsidian’s writing talent, amazing gear systems and world building. Fucking mushrooms! You guys F’d up a slam dunk. Hard pass.
Combat looks like it needs more time in the oven...
Game will be shitty. Microsoft ruins everything they touch. After this is reviewed like anthem. They will announce pillars of eternity III. It’s development will take 6 years and it’ll be eventually cancelled or come out unfinished with 4 different directors bc 3 were fired
That’s the same thing your momma said
Looks good to me
Just looks a Lil janky is all I'm saying
@@chuckyspins1726 so what u expect every single game to be a masterpiece huh? Ur just a spoiled brat.
Hmm. Looks good, but it doesn't seem to have impact from hitting or spell casting. I sincerely hope they improve and spice up the combat.
What you see now is probably what you're going to get tbh.
Yes, combat looks floaty and generic asf.
@@OkamiToge nooooo. Don't say that dude.
looks to fast pased. like you can hit every 2 secs and then change to a completely other build in one key
@@brownpleasure9320 you play PC?
Sword play needs improvement looks like the strikes if it was a cardboard tube.
Looks as bas as Skyrim's tbh! And that game is OLD.
looks like dishonored
Like Skyrim. But people still praise that games combat...
@@FrankByDaylightwho?
but with better dialoque...
Looks meh.
Combat looks mediocre. It seems as if there is no weight to the weapons.
Also the artstyle completely misses the tone established by PoE.
Eora wasn´t necessarily dark and gritty but it was dark for sure,
Avowed looks like a cartoon from DC
I've watched this about a dozen times already, looking forward to stepping back intro Eora and learning more about the game!
Another 6/10 Obsidian classic. The Outer Worlds was so boring. Not only has Bethesda lost their touch but so has Obsidian, frankly.
Combat seems incredibly basic, when this is the best you have to show, this Skyrim level combat, It doesn’t inspire much confidence in the consumer.
NGL I'd push it to early 2025 to iron it out some more.
I'm truly excited for the game, but I wish your showcase of it was better. This looks like a Kickstarter presentation. This close to launch is the time to "WOW" people. You (and we) need this franchise to stay alive! Anyways, I hope more excitement is on the way. Thank you for your work.
10 months is still a lot of time man
@@ZainAhmad-jl4vt not really, the combat won’t suddenly become way better, most of the content is locked in and time like this is used for bug fixing.
Exactly. I hate the heavily edited "marketing" they do now. I miss the days of say when BGS showed off Skyrim at Quakecon by just picking up and playing. Still scripted but it gave a FAR better sense of the "player experience" vs showing salespeople dumping buzz words.
@@zomgpie2 not way better but I expect plenty to be done still
BGS isn't involved whatsoever
Obsidian, if you're reading this: the game looks fantastic, but please implement ragdoll for enemy corpses or try to add more dynamic death animations to make killing enemies more rewarding.
There does seem to be an element of it, in particular with the pistol shot on the skeleton in this trailer and in the Pull of Eora from the last one.
There are definitely ragdolls shown in this video.
@@monsterurby where?
@@warsp1te 01:18 - Skeleton blasted with pistol, 01:44 - Xaurip killed with pistol, 01:48 - Xaurip killed with wand, 02:03 - Xaurip killed with special attack, 02:11 - Xaurip killed with wand, 02:15 - Xaurip killed with sword. All obviously ragdolls and there are more throughout.
In fact, I'd say they need to include animations before they immediately ragdoll, or better yet, use ragdoll/animation blending. Right now it looks like they just flop to the floor. Not great.
Yeah, the 01:18 looks great. But for the rest of them it's obvious that the force and speed of the projectiles have no effect on the enemies. @@monsterurby
You guys did new vegas in 18 months. We believe you will deliver us a good RPG with well written dialogs, Obsidian. Also combat needs work , I think.
The game looks great, but am I the only one who feels that the combat looks stiff ?
What do you mean by “stiff”?
Imo it doesn't have any weight to it. If you slice an enemy with a huge sword you should see the damage you are doing on the enemy. Right now there is zero visible damage.
@@scarface11991 I know right!
Yes it's real bad. The combat has 0 weight and most people blame the animations and I agree but I also think its the sound design. Think about in skyrim when you cast firebolt, there is the initial pop when the spell is ready to cast and then the almost cannon like bang when you launch the spell, the sound alone does 70% of the job. Here... Well lets just say pushing it to 2025 would still not be enough. This looks like what you would get when you try to make a AAA game on an indie game budget.
@@ihatenamehoggs Exactly! The sound as you say is not up to standards and it has zero weight. Incredible how Skyrim a game from what? 12,13 years ago plays and feels better than this.
This looks underwhelming, like a cheap AA game, or something for Kinect. Combat is dumb and weightless, the animations are janky, the enemies all die in the same way. The effects look cheap, the lighting is off, there's no proper shadowing or AO, it just completely misses the mark.
Diversity hires.
@@jameson3500 How to tell me you're bigoted without telling me
@@theobell2002 If you can't accept my racism, that makes YOU the bigot. Learn to accept that others have different views, bigot.
Combat doesn't look that bad guys.
This came off really overproduced and kind of soulless. Next time just let’s devs talk about it instead of these pre written PR speeches.
“That means you can play however you want. Equip a sword and shield and charge into battle!” Like c’mon guys what is that 😂 you’re basically telling us there’s multiple weapons, don’t patronise us.
That aside I hope this game is good and does well
Was the game's world described to me, or were Obsidian describing their game design choices to me?
Everything about this reveal feels so damn off...
Agreed, I was so disappointed after watching this. Passing on this one...
I will get it as I adore both Pillars games but the reveal failed to excite me. The combat felt mediocre.
Thats because it was not typical obsidian style but the MS PR crap
Dude, snort some grass. Go to therapy. It's just a video game, not the Matrix.
@@mattc7420 Follow your own life lessons first before caring about others' would you?
This game looks sick and I can't wait! That said, I HATE that this was presented to us like we are f#@$&+* investors. "Here are obsidian, our goal is to blah blah blah.* I threw up in my mouth a little.
It look like AAA game 10 years ago 😐
Mehhh, the original trailer with the arrow being sent across the landscape is a totally different game to this 😢
Best not to let a concept trailer define an entire game for you.
Hold up - the original video, which had tons of (productive) criticism in the comments got privated, and then you reuploaded it and now this has almost exclusively positive comments? Well, that's not a good sign.
Any risks taken?
Any innovation?
Looks like the same ol' 3 or 4 dialogue choices.
Environments we have seen over and over... another desert
Combat looks fine, not dyanamic just fine.
UE5 game. Prepare for many desert/rocky/stone temple environments. The photogrammetry stuff and other features in UE5 like Nanite make it excel at specifically those kinds of environments and materials.
When did people decide to just start shitting on Obsidian over nothing?
New Vegas gets this effusive praise - a lot of it deserved while a ton of the games' flaws are ignored, Bethesda tanks Fallout, people start hoping Obsidian saves Fallout with TOW for some reason, and when TOW plays like an Obsidian title instead of a Bethesda title, people start throwing out relentless bad faith attacks on them.
It's baffling to me.
@@martyfromnebraska1045 May stem from the luke warm nothing burger that was The Outer Worlds. Modern gaming is not in a great place and people's money matters. So we wanna make sure it's worth the pricetag.
@@martyfromnebraska1045 Because "Obsidian title" as you described means something underwhelming and uninspiring. Outer Worlds was mid, and the marketing for that game was aggressive so they had to back it up.
Dont be surprised that we are skeptical of this game, as like bethesda, they seem to be taking pointers from mid game design and failing to improve and innovate.
I can't believe ya'll are who made Fallout: NV. Did everyone who helped make that retire?.
Chris Avellone long gone, Josh Sawyer not interested in this project.
@@amethystwyvern RIP Troika games
@@amethystwyvernSawyer not being interested is a red flag
New Vegas is 15 years old. Those guys are almost in their 50s
PoE 1 and 2 are some of my favourite games of all time. Ever since New Vagas I have been hoping Obsidian would make a fantasy first-person rpg and the speed at which they have been able to put this game together is nothing short of amazing. We've been waiting well over a decade for the next Elder Scrolls game. Meanwhile in just a few short years we have an rpg in one of, if not the best, fantasy settings from this generation.
Just finished Poe and I’m on poe2 right now. After BG3 and I gotta say I’m loving these even more. I’m so excited
Desde esta presentación estoy emocionado por este juego! Y creo que no soy el único.. ❤
@@rayymond73 im hoping the faction mechanics from poe2 makes it in this game. roleplaying as a trader, adventurer or cuthroat pirate making deals and betrayals was the best part of poe2. one of my playthroughs i was a double agent for the pirates, i would do quests for the trading company while feeding info and quest items to the pirates in return for a ghost ship, all while i was under cutting other factions. the end resault was a massive naval battle that resaulted in the pirates taking the region over while all the other factions fell apart
Reading a script, when I can see your eyes doing it FEELS DISTRUSTFUL.
Maybe call Nvidia that can fix eyes trailing text...
Looks insanely boring, weapons lack a certain 'oomph', the dialogue options look very meh, and the dialogue segments seem quite choppy.
Was expecting a lot more from this game, but now I'm not interested at all
It looks weirdly outdated and not in a good way. Especially the dialogue system. After BG3 and how conversations were delivered there, Devs really need to do better. Combat is stiff. It feels like it needs lots more time in the oven. Hopefully the story is good.
Guys, your combat gameplay needs a lot of polish, look at the games like darktide smooth it up a notch. Looks clunky to me. All of my best wishes may be with you, and good luck on this colossal endeavor.
Yes, combat looks floaty asf! Reminded me of Skyrim's.
@@angelgustavoulloagalvez3366I would say it looks worse than skyrim, I think that the sounds are to blame or the AI but even if you ignore those.. floaty weird choppy
This looks bland af honestly AAA is dead atm
Starfield 2.0? I hope this isnt another overhyped crap game.
Delay the game lads while there's still time
A lot of rough moments in this presentation, especialy everything related to combat
It’s 10 months away dummy 😂
Quit over reacting. They still have 6 months.
I feel ROBBED of poe3.
Well, more people should've bought poe2.
Animations and impact of combat looks to need improvement
Pretty worried about how little impact the combat seemed to have and DEFINITELY a bit turned off by how HARD they were clearly reading a card in front of them instead of just talking about the game they made and how it works. Do they not know actually? or is this just overly scripted because it was for the showcase?
The game has evolved a lot in the graphic part is very beautiful, but the gameplay I found very slow, stuck, no impact, and the enemies attack in a way that is not challenging or strategic needs to improve
What's going on with this FOV? Vibe is a little off
How to tell me you're a console gamer without telling me
@@theobell2002Linux Ultrawide masterrace here. 90 degrees should be banned.
let me guess console player?
@@theobell2002 I don't really understand his criticism about FOV, nor do I understand the conclusion about him being a console player. Would love an explanation, if anyone's willing to waste their time explaining it to me.
I really hope avowed and outer worlds become long term franchises and this isn’t just a one and done type of game
Outer worlds 2 was already announced 2 years ago
This is the 3ed game of this series lol
The Outer Worlds 2 has been in development since the first game was released
@@Swisscheez1 yeah but I mean beyond that, like I hope for at least a trilogy and I hope avowed becomes a trilogy, outside of the pillars game. I know I’m thinking far ahead but I really love these franchises.
I just hope they make another Pillars of Eternity. I loved both games and this title's a bit of a disappointment for me. I'm glad that at least it takes place in the same universe
I REALLY hope they didn't leave out Cipher abilities. :(
For me that's almost a must, like seriously we only get 2 races, and I understand that to a degree, but if they cut corners there, the classes or let's call them archetypes should be well made in game. Not just a cookie cutter mana bar, but actually meaningful difference between chanters, ciphers, mages, clergy etc, but I'm not all that hopeful on that front.
The Cipher is one of the most defining classes of the world the game takes place in, so i hope its part of it.
@@tobiasL1991oh man chanters, I hope they don't get screwed over and ciphers I guess. As a wizard I'm worried pure mage gameplay isn't possible either.
I still think Cypher is the class that makes the most sense for the Watcher canon wise.
My favorite class of any RPG. If no Cipher I honestly might just pass on this. Nothing stands out as remotely interesting so far. Really wish they would have done Pillars 3.
Sold me on dual wielding wands. Big Iron? Nah, Big Oak.
This looks like another worthy RPG by a worthy developer!
The combat looks terrible
Yeah the environment and art direction is beautiful tho. If the combat ends up being fun they might be onto something here
It looks pretty good to me 🤷🏾♂️
I hope it will be more adult and balanced compared to Outer worlds. The cartoonish graphics and combat looks unfortunately very similar.
The dialogue is exactly the same, even with the "OMG lulz so funny" companions chiming in.
Combat looks terrible and why are we still seeing robotic looking NPCs after all these years. You would think these studios would have improved upon their animations over the years so they don't just look like a bunch marionette puppets and not actual natural people. Other games are miles ahead of this.
Ok, this has a great art style. I think combat looks a bit off, but we’ll only know when we play, and there is still time to fine tune it before release. I trust Obsidian, they are like Bethesda, but actually historically good.
I like obsidian but this looks wrong, the combat was clearly intended to be fast and need quick reaction time but it's slow and the enemies telegraph their attacks more then North Korea and the NPCs look not ugly but like they were designed based on reference material that doesn't fit the world or environment they're in and the glowing light on dead bodies and points of interest just feels wrong at least in games like skyrim it's the compass pointing to them
The game looks really good, but more blood splatter and some shaking (or other visual effects) when striking in melee would go a long way toward making combat feel less weightless without relying on animations.
This.
The weightier, the better. Looks like it was improved from the last video, but it needs a bit more.
It needs some hit reaction animation too. Even Skyrim mods do a better job. This really lacks impact
@@GuyN1ce To be fair, we see a xaurip react to blows like at 2:14, but their ragdoll is so poor that it falls to the ground like a sack of potatoes.
The biggest problem i had with the outer worlds & it looks the same here. Is how bland & off putting the voice acting is. Other than that, i'm excited.
The game looks amazing. I love the maps.
Wait wait? Did obsidian just showed " Give dogtags or fight the dude" As their promo quest? Not white glove kind of quest, not even a goodsprings showdown?
Seriously it was a really poor choice, such a basic question to show off. That VA isn't amazing either... pvt Nauki?
@@amethystwyvern Much as I love the Pillars games, the VA is dire. Always had to turn it off. Least they're consistent I guess.
@@fubsmcbubs The first POE wasn't bad because it had very little to no snark. POE 2 changed that and Avowed looks like it's gotten worse. The marvel-esque dialogue and tone makes me sick to my stomach and it looks like this game is going to be full of it.
You mean the studio that made Alpha Protocol?
What are you talking about? Speak English
I don't know, having mixed feelings.
3 choices for a quest? Good, neutral, bad choice?
I kind of expected more from Obsidian, but I guess we will have to see when you guys reveal more details.
I mean 3 actual choices is already huge, maybe switch choices into grey good, grey neutral and grey bad and it turns into quite a cunondrum real quick.
More choices doesn't mean better choices. I want either a good quests without choices but very well done, think most basic TW3 quests or a few strong options, even just two.
It is worth noting that this seems to just be down one branch of a dialogue tree (potentially) since it looks like this is after the player refuses him originally.
So, I don't think this is definitive enough to say yet for this particular quest.
@@tobiasL1991 That's not true. There are multiple of RPG games, especially the old ones that provide a lot more choice in dialog, which creates a lot more depth to every conversation. Owlcat games for example, Planescape Torment from the classics, or Fallout 1/2.
More choices in a RPG games in general = better. As long as the writing isn't shit.
@@Doom_Hawk We will see, but it doesn't look too appealing to me.
Combat really reminds me of one of my favorite roleplaying games, Elder Scrolls™ III: Morrowind©, where you would swing a sword in front of an enemy withough any impact besides an occasional blood splatter, only for them to fall to the ground like a bag of potatoes
I would also like to thank all these visibly uncomfortable developers who bravely took part in making this piece which looks like something they'd joke about in Outer Worlds. The post-ironic sheen of professionalism really makes it seem like a 99,6% pure corporate advertisement.
Bravo, Faergus
Yikes..
Your favorite studio would be dead if Todd didn't toss them some crumbs back in 2010
@@mattc7420 Obsidian dead would be a blessing at this point
how was this so botched, with the awareness that obsidian fans want a really RPG RPG, i can’t help but feel that Microsoft probably drove them in this action focused linear direction
I’m sure that despite your character build you’re going to have access to all/most weapon types because they feared alienating players when unique and individualized builds across multiple playthroughs are a hallmark of this genre
I was really hoping we would get to see a deeper dive into character creation, customization, attributes, skills, etc. Some of the deeper and richer roleplaying mechanics that you are known for. I am sure they are there, but I was hoping to at least get a glimpse of them.
I am hoping as well that spears are wieldable in the game. We saw some of the enemies using them, but that does not mean we get to. War really hoping one of the loadouts would show them. Far too often spears are forgotten in fantasy games. Especially action rpgs/first person rpgs. Polearms are my favorite kind of weapon so I am hoping we get to wield them in the game.
I dread the role-playing won't be as much polished as we hope
"Best we can do is an extreme scope reduction and shift to targeting a T rating or lower". I wouldn't hold your breath for these things. I'd expect similar depth to The Outer Worlds, if not less.
@@e2rqey Outer Worlds still had attributes, skills, feats, dialogue skill checks, and more. That is far deeper than most rpgs on the market today.
@@TyranusRex721It also felt really lazy and lukewarm
Hopefully yall remember how to make video games, and not a "inclusive" McDonalds commercial or a shit survival game. Maybe you'll even remember how to make characters that don't bore people to tears.
It seems they have re-uploaded the video changing the ESRB rating from earlier saying it was E for everyone. The game is most likely to be MATURE.
I was wondering why they took it down.
Looks like they pivoted to making Avowed a kids/"young adult" game in hopes of benefiting from a larger addressable market, while avoiding direct comparison to the bigger budget RPGs. Probably targeting a T rating, if not even lower. I think this choice was made pretty far into development and was also accompanied by a significant reduction in scope. It's probably not completely open world, and is instead semi-open world, similar to the act structure in Baldur's Gate 3. This choice to target a lower rating can be seen in the lack of blood, large number of non-human enemy types, lack of brutality in the combat system/animations, very saturated color palette, and the overall art style.
Not only is this a shift from the original announcement trailer, but the vestiges of the previous darker tone can be seen in the dissonance between the narrative of the game/subject matter of quests and the art style/environments. I expect lots of rocky/desert environments as well since UE5 is especially good at making these look "next-gen". Probably going to be 30FPS on consoles and run at sub-1080p most of the time on series S. If I had to guess, I'd say the metacritic rating settles around a 78/100 assuming that performance isn't too big of an issue. Although there is the very real possibility that it is, due to being a new IP, the use of UE5, and being required to support the Xbox Series S. The discussion about the game at launch will likely be about of the tone shift away from the much darker original announcement, the reduction in the scope vs player expectations, the future of the POE IP, how MSFT/Xbox manage their 1st party studios, and whether Obsidian games will continue targeting younger audiences.
I really hope this ends up being great. There is no doubt Obsidian will do the quests and story justice. Combat has me a little bit worried. Hopefully, it's not too fast-paced and allows time for tactical decisions. In the meantime, footage from POE 2 reminded me how great those games are. Have to go and finish it before this comes out.
No doubt? Their last The Outer Worlds certainly isn’t a good example of a deep RPG with good storytelling and questing 💀
@@hansolo5912it got nominated for GOTY the year it came out. I also generally hear quite positive opinions of it, particularly its storytelling.
@@hansolo5912TOW was amazing wdym
maybe without the dlcs it feels a bit empty cuz i played with all dlcs (and even then i was left wanting) but the story was great
the mushroom world look really off, should have darker environments and enhance the neon glow from the mushrooms.
Dude, it's a scam. i am so sorry, but it's not Obsidian who does story and quests justice. It really seems that it's only Sawyer and he is not a part of this game. Yet they will pitch PoE and new vegas on one hand and outer worlds and this on another as Obsidian games. They are from different directors and might even be different decision-making teams
Obsidian still doesn't understand what makes Skyrim gameplay felt so immersive and engaging
Boy am I glad they're not making Skyrim, that game is already made.
I prefer depth over breath any time of the week.
Dialogue seems terribly bland, soldiers insulting a character by calling them a baby.... needs edge, and gritty realism.
Feels like a children’s game. Also what’s with the starfield levels of voice acting? Looks extremely unappealing
the combat, the enemys animations and the faces of the characters look like dog shit, please improve it upon the release or we will have another redfall situation and it would be sad to see obsidian going through what arkane austin went through with that disastrous launch
this is not what i was expecting. when i saw the reveal trailer i was super hyped, but now it just looks like a sea of thieves type of artstyle.
I don’t think SOT has these graphics,I think your referring too the combat and animations.I’ve played SOT a lot and it looks nothing alike,Looks like Unreal engine 5
@@Jza-GZa40kim talking about the artstyle. it looks very fatansy like, im not talking about how many grains of sand you can count on the ground
LOVED pillars of eternity one and two and excited to get back to this universe. I really hope the RPG elements are on point and the combat looks like it needs work
Someone mentioned darktide. That game has incredibly visceral combat. They should take notes. I agree I love pillars 1&2 can't wait to try this.
Work? The combat in Grounded is way better than this, this is a fucking joke and I've never been ashamed to call myself an Obsidian fan until now
@@trompell0funny, they revealed that Vermintide is their inspiration for melee combat but it looks nowhere near as good here.
Hope they polish it.
@@maboilaurence8227oh wow I didn't know that. Yikes... This combat is polar opposite of vermintides responsive juicy brutal orgasmic combat. I don't get it.
@@trompell0 That was my same reaction tbh.
I wish Xbox would start giving them the budget to make games with better graphics. This studio makes nothing but gems. They deserve a bigger budget.
@obsidian just two points I'd like to make that seems to be the general reception for the game.
One the combat seems to floaty not enough weight or impact to the attacks and two the UI and VO are seriously lacking at least in this little snippet. You guys have never let me down before making games that I love so I have faith this game will be amazing. Just wanted to leave a little constructive criticism. So excited for fall
The game looks beautyfull
I don’t like that it sounds like Skyrim where you can go from being a spell caster to a two handed melee attacker to shooting pistols. No determined classes like PoE
Yeah specialization is really important. Maybe through a perk system it will soft force specializing. Imagine in poe1&2 if every character did everything. Boring
I've been hyped for this game since the announcement millennia ago, thought it was gonna take some inspiration from Arx Fatalis, but I'm becoming less enthused the more I see. Still rooting for it to be a hit! I hope it has more enemy variety than Outerworlds.
This game is set in Poe universe,but you expect it to be inspired by arx fatalis? See this is why we cant have nice things,people just say the dumbest retarded random shit they can think of,0% thought involved.
while the visuals are good, this seems lackluster, and the combat is slow, melee attacks "feel" horrible, look at Souls and Dragon's Dogma, even Skyrim's hack/slash "feels" more organic.
Also this quest was a horrible choice and seemed meh, nothing about this screems Obsidian, and I'm talking about SWKOTOR2 and Fallout:NV Obsidian era.
I dunno, kinda has a tech demo feel.
I hope it turns out well tho.
Combat looks floaty as fuck. This looks kinda generic tbh.
Unreal Engine physics
What the flying fk is that combat
18 years later and game still feel worst than Dark Messiah of Might and Magic.
SAD
What was wrong with the combat?
@@SirMuffin1 Damn dude, you got to play it at the company? Tell me all about how it feels worse than DMoMM!
@@Sixdayincursionit has no weight and its almost like all the hits arebt really connecting.
Also the ai is just standing there waiting for you to interact with them.
@@Sen.100 You just described Dark Messiah combat..
I dont have high hopes for this game, but we'll see.
Looks clunky
My theory: initially this was going to be a huge RPG. Obsidians answer to the Elder Scrolls. Microsoft was all in and they fully funded it. That was when we got that first teaser trailer.
But then Microsoft actually bought Bethesda. And because Bethesda is the more famous name, Microsoft curbed the funding, and Obsidian had to downsize, because they couldn’t fulfill their vision with the funding they had.
So instead of a dark, massive Fallout New Vegas meets Skyrim game, we’re getting….. this…. Fantasy Outer Worlds. And I’m sorry but Outer Worlds was lame. IMO when it comes to open world 3D RPG’s nowadays, you have to go all out. Otherwise just make a really good 2D indie RPG like Hollow Knight. But these, like, double A 3D open world RPG’s are always lame. Because I’m always just feeling like “man, there should me more”.
Exactly this, put it better than I ever could have. That’s exactly why The Outer Worlds was so disappointing to me as well. I was really hoping they would step up their game with this one now that they have Microsoft behind them, but your theory makes a lot of sense.
i dont play obsidian games for the combat so as long as the story has reactive and impactful choices im satisfied. although, unsure why, when the game seems to be first person only, the dialogue has this weird camera angle behind the shoulder/to the side? why not just make it first person like outer worlds was?
that's a pretty stupid reason to not play a game, but you do you.
@@PepsiMTG try rereading it. Maybe you'll get it one day.
@@moonprincess_xoxo my bad, i meant multiple reasons.
Awsome!! Same game we’ve played a million times before. Your stupid marketing won’t work this time Micro$oft. I’m out.
I can't wait! I'm playing through Pillars of Eternity 1 now and loving it!
Yìkes 😂 the more I see the more I realize this game isn't for me
Game looks really pretty but the combat looks sort of lacking especially the enemy movements and the way they just collapse, and no blood pooling?
christ this looks bad...
My biggest gripe here is the lack of third person perspective. What use is character creation and gear, if you can't even see what you look like? This was also my biggest issue with The Outer Worlds. I don't need the 3rd person view to be optimal for combat, I just need it to be there. Alas, it can't be helped. I'll still give this a go and probably like it a lot. Obsidian did good with the Outer Worlds and player directed gameplay has always been their strong suit, even if they haven't really managed to hit the sweet spot of open world exploration and strong intertwining narratives of New Vegas since then.
Then again, is it really fair to compare anything with New Vegas? No game has quite managed to pull off the things that game did and unfortunately probably never will again.
Huge disappointment. This game will absolutely be Obsidian's shame...
It genuinely looks like their worst game and likely the only one I wont enjoy... what a fucking let down..
What even is this crap
Game looks great!
Thank yo my so much for keeping the franchise alive. PoE 1 and 2 had so much interesting lore and world building, and I can’t wait to see what this brings. Although I was a little disappointed that you all were moving away from isometric top down, I hope first person perspective is able to give the characters a lot more life. I’m hoping this is a big hit so we can see the franchise continue to blossom with lots of new games.
While this game has been on my radar since its announcement, I was unaware it was connected to PoE. I've never played (and honestly have little interest in) PoE, but I am an avid fan of rich, immersive fantasy worlds. So I'm looking forward to learning more about Eora as a newcomer
This has got a one and done gamepass vibe. What about outer worlds made them think anoth first person rpg would work. 1st person rpgs suck.... This is not poormans skyrim, looks more like poormans Greedfall.
Microsoft need to keep and eye on what these studios are spending the money on.... Arcane and now Obsidian phoning it in.
yeah they should make last of us factions oh wait it got cancelled lol
Saying first person rpg's suck is just incorrect when cyberpunk exist for u to insult arkane and obsidian shows how little u know about gaming
@@Matchplains No it is a personal opinion. Zero replayability for me on first person rpgs. Armor, customisation etc, one of the most enjoyable aspects of rpgs becomes completely irrelevant... I enjoyed cyberpunk and phantom liberty, but probably wont play it again for many years. Plus a game like this to appear in this state after Baldurs gate 3... It is a shame as loved Deadfire and liked pillars though was a bit dated by the time I got to it. Gamepass is great but it will dumb down studios like this as they need to pump out games that are style over substance.
Oh and Arcane..... Redfall that is all 😂
I agree the "one and done vibe" is exactly what I'm thinking but hopefully I'm wrong. I'd love a more serious, darker vibe game with replayability like New Vegas.
As cool as this looks....I really hope they don't fuck this up.
They call Avowed Skyrim killer, but it’s looks like Garry Potters journey in Elsweyr 😂
Combat looks shitty
improve the combat!!!
I sincerely wish they would’ve just done another CRPG
Looks like this should be a Meta Quest 3 game and what's with the Xbox 360 era deadpan facial scans?!?
Oh it's an vr title,
@@Shilka81 it's not, that's my point, is that it looks like a VR game. I swear Mass Effect on Xbox 360 had better facial animations.
Super excited! Obsidian makes my fav RPGs usually. I may finally have to get me one of them xboxes lol
No classes?
Everything I start to think "wow this game is gorgeous" some ability or effect causes (to me) the hideous bright neon colors that make it feel like a cheesy arcade game and immediately breaks immersion which sucks because I love poe 1 and 2 and the grittiness of the world.
Really disappointed in the art direction… gritty realism would’ve been soo much better
No it wouldn't have. This style actually has vibrance and character.
Just like every game out there. Gritty realism is my preference not cartoony and vibrant. The teaser trailer was gold, this is not the direction I would like. If you do, good for you but this has been done 100x
@@benm1673 You don't think "gritty realism" hasn't also be done to death at this point?
Not as much as this cartoonish style. I don’t think gritty realism can ever be done to death because it’s easier to immerse yourself in a game that looks real, not like something from the Disney channel
Wow I was way more excited for this game before watching this :/
Excitement levels 📉
The graphics looks like it's a mobile game or a Kickstarter project, so clean and unrealistic, so guys don't say it's a new skyrim, but if the gameplay, classes, combat and what's more important storyline is as good as in Poe 1-2 at release it would be a strong 1st person version of Poe (Poe3), not a next generation fantasy rpg sadly, so still w8ing for tes6 😂
It does look MILES better than gameplay debut! After finishing POE1&2, I really cant wait for Avowed.
Are we watching the same video?
@@midprogramming Combat is meh, but as long as it's a good RPG liek New Vegas then whatever.
This Game Director ruined this game. Literally, all anyone wanted was the Dark Fantasy Obsidian RPG that was featured in the original Avowed trailer. Now it’s a cartoony, rainbow of Fornite glitterbombs. What waste all everyone wanted an Obsidian take on Skyrim. What a waste of all of Obsidian’s writing talent, amazing gear systems and world building. Fucking mushrooms! You guys F’d up a slam dunk. Hard pass.
Bro is this gonna be $70? If it is I'm gonna fucking laugh