Sign Up For TOEmail at www.curtjaimungal.org *NEW* CHRIS LANGAN SPEAKS TO BERNARDO KASTRUP: th-cam.com/video/HsXxgQy4xLQ/w-d-xo.html Timestamps: 00:00:00 Introduction 00:06:00 How long does it take to learn the CTMU? 00:09:52 Introduction to the CTMU 00:12:03 Syntax and Semantics duality (Stone duality) 00:13:26 Syntactic covering, human cognitive syntax, and reality syntax 00:14:38 "Language" is more like reality than mathematical language 00:15:19 Love, related to "inner expansion" 00:16:28 There's no such thing as a "literal interpretation" 00:17:47 Standard physics is a linear-ectomorphic semi-model 00:19:59 Zeno's paradox and the problem with continuity / real numbers 00:22:00 The conspansive manifold 00:24:03 Meta-simultaneity 00:25:58 CTMU set theory vs ZFC 00:28:15 Metaformal system vs formal system 00:32:37 Free will and telic recursion 00:34:17 Evil is incoherent 00:35:20 Syndiffeonesis and the hierarchy of metalanguages 00:37:32 Difference from sameness (monism / nonduality) 00:40:00 Mach's principle 00:42:08 Expanding universe (expanding INTO what? vs. the metric) 00:44:37 How did Chris come up with the CTMU? 00:45:41 Newcomb's paradox and free will 00:55:16 Unary relations and syndiffeonesis 00:57:02 You participate in what you perceive. You help create the world. 01:01:38 A theory of everything must "explain" cognition 01:02:26 Origin of life 01:03:19 Many Worlds Interpretation is "hogwash" 01:08:17 Existence is everywhere a choice to exist 01:12:58 Definition of G.O.D. (God) 01:14:16 If consciousness is associated with quantum collapse, can a particle be evil? 01:15:25 Good vs evil (in the CTMU) 01:17:14 Human Singularity vs Tech Singularity 01:20:18 Mind uploading 01:22:14 Maximum entanglement speed 01:23:01 Liar's paradox 01:24:49 What is death? What happens after death? 01:26:38 UFOs / UAPs / Jack Sarfatti 01:30:58 Chris' paranormal experiences 01:39:10 On the criticism of Chris' CTMU (and Weinstein / Wolfram) 01:43:27 Supertautology 01:46:05 Interpreting different religions as aspect of the same reality 01:46:55 Why is atheism associated with being intellectual? 01:51:31 IQ and Stephen Jay Gould 01:54:19 Race and IQ 02:00:04 The truth about intelligence is that there's more to it than IQ 02:03:46 On Chris' personality, and how he chose his wife 02:11:18 New Atheism and Sam Harris / Dawkins 02:18:07 Hell exists 02:23:47 Belief vs action 02:27:29 God is his own bound 02:28:10 Who was Jesus? Who was Buddha? 02:30:52 Klee Irwin 02:36:05 Joscha Bach 02:38:33 Proto-computation vs Turing machine 02:44:50 Eric Weinstein's Geometric Unity 02:46:57 Stephen Wolfram's Theory of Everything 02:49:04 Donald Hoffman's "reality is an illusion" 02:50:34 Bohm and Bergson 02:55:07 Douglas Hofstadter's Strange Loop 02:56:37 Penrose and Hameroff 02:59:36 Thomas Campbell's "My Big TOE" 03:02:07 Noam Chomsky 03:06:06 Jordan Peterson 03:07:45 Metacausation 03:10:56 Logico-geometric duality 03:13:17 Trialic 03:14:47 [Dav] Where to contact Chris? 03:16:04 [Dav] Afterlife carries our memories? 03:18:00 How is consciousness defined? 03:19:26 [Dav] Wittgenstein and Jonathan Mize 03:21:44 [Steven Nikolic] Information and logical ruleset are the only necessary ontology 03:24:08 [Carian Dudley] Which philosophers of the past came the closest? 03:25:19 [Carian Dudley] Gödel's incompleteness theorems and CTMU 03:26:58 [Timothy O'Brien] Leibniz's Monadology's relation to CTMU 03:27:44 [Eike Freidank] Difference relations 03:28:23 [Stephen Olis] Arenas where Chris feels dumb or average? 03:29:00 Nootropics, psychedelics, and meditation 03:36:27 [Snorre Grimstad] Can the CTMU help someone with a psychological disorder? 03:37:47 [Snorre Grimstad] Do you have to experience the world to understand it? 03:40:11 Rationalism 03:41:45 How is science limited? 03:46:02 The universe is more than the sum of its parts 03:48:20 What Chris would have done different in the developing his theory 03:50:35 Advice for YOU (the viewer), developing your own TOE 03:54:21 Philanthropism and Bill Gates 04:00:03 Advice for Curt
I already know i will listen at least twice to all of it 😀, 4 hours of prime content. Did you get a chance to pick Chrises mind about what he thinks of Walframs theory?
I cant believe i went down a wormhole of finding out the smartest man ever documented is alive today and made a theory of everything yet is almost completely ignored like a crazy person? I feel like i just uncovered a conspiracy lol
Oh what a surprise lol, a mind ahead of it's time is deemed a heretic by mainstream academia... There are two types of academics - those who are understanders, and those who are agreers.. Most academics just agree with whatever is mainstream, and repeat it for the sake of seeming to know what they're talking about. These are also the first to reject that which they can't understand. Then there are those who understand nearly everything they come across, and are the first to be intrigued by an idea and to explore it further. These are the ones usually deemed heretics, because they devote their time on the actual theories as opposed to the politics surrounding them. It's necessary to be critical, but critical to not be unnecessarily so.
Curt, how you prepared for this interview is beyond me. Then executing such a productive conversation with Chris is yet beyond me again. So impressive my man.
@@TheoriesofEverything Hi Curt. New to the channel. Thanks Great Work! - May I ask you if you know alt links to Chris that would be polite to share? I just typoed my email on his site and now that link is as a good as dead it looks like. I need to send him a letter. Any chance?. please and thanks
Yes. Grateful to Kurt for getting me to revisit Chris, who I learned about many many years ago but had forgotten about. This was very interesting, given what I think seems to be a public misunderstanding about this man.
Couldn't agree more. Never seen this channel before or heard of either of these notable individuals, but I was blessed by the TH-cam algorithm for once. Normally it removes my favourite channels without replacing them with significant alternatives, but in this case, I cannot believe the high quality of this channel. When someone goes through the level of preparation that Curt highlights during the introduction, one cannot help but become interested. I hope that this interest in Theoretical Physics remains with me. It is a wonderful feeling to have ones mind introduced to new concepts. The mental gymnastics require an opening of the mind. I can understand this is fascinating and now I just need to determine what gnosis must be studied to complete this journey!
This is why I like your style Curt, you spend weeks studying your guests and go one of the deepest dives into a person and the topic on the internet. Completely underrated channel. The world is not smart enough for this channel, but I hope you keep doing what you do.
Can you give me one example from a 4 hours interbiee of when langan said anything new or revelatory. Or when curt really drilled down on what he was being told.
Guilty. The first I heard of Mr. Langan was the Knowles interview . . .and boy did it open up a rabbit hole. Kinda crazy this guy gets so much flak online regarding his IQ because all the content I have seen with him, he is never the one mentioning his IQ.
All I can say is holy moly dude. Seriously. I watch a lot of podcasts and there are very few of them that I don't miss any episodes but yours is one of them. This was probably one of the most fascinating interviews I've ever seen, ever. You're a brave person for being willing and able to step into what I can only imagine was intimidating, but also ceaselessly searching for the theory of everything. Chris was right - never let someone dissuade you from what you're doing and never let your curiosity falter or decline. I'm likely a bit older on your demographic but I discover new things every day and you both were correct - life is experiential, so make sure you wring every last bit of life out of yours.
...just love the way he talks about metaphysical, highly complex themes, while looking, formulating, like your dad explaining how to close the garage door. :"D
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I remember this guy, heard of him 15 years ago i was in high school researching iq and found a news article about a bouncer with 200iq… glad to see him healthy and working on something so important.
On the subject of IQ, the standard American IQ test has a high score possible of 150. You have to score 100% to get that. I have a score of 140, only 1 in every 1000 people score that high. The highest standardized score int Europe is 160 the highest Mensa score is 183. So when they said Einstein had a 160 IQ, they were assuming he scored 100% on the European test. He never took the test. Remember the IQ test is multiple choice questions. 100 is median score. It is possible to randomly pick answers and score 100% I am not sure if the people who made The European test, were trying to make Europeans look smarter or they did not understand the math. Either way the European test is flawed. To test someone's intelligence one must be smarter than the people they are testing. Mensa of course claims to be an IQ test, but it is not. It is an intelligence test. Not a good test for that either. Notice the made the high score higher to make it appear that Mensa members were smarter. That is probably why there is so many problems with the test. *********** It should also be pointed out that the IQ test is designed to see if you can solve problems. In other words someone like myself may score high on the IQ test, but many other people who would score lower, have a better ability to recall, so they can spell or learn a language easier than a person like myself who has a high IQ. You can also take more time answering questions, thus effectively becoming smarter. If you take longer making chess moves, you odds of winning go up. That is why they time them. An ability to collaborate makes one smarter. The top scientists all hire mathematicians, who rarely get the any credit. Of course the person who takes more time and learns more, often scores higher on IQ tests.
@@learn2bstill412 It definitely has to do with how you learn. Look at it like CPU processing information. The faster the CPU the faster the "installation" of the programs.. My IQ is around 150 on WAIS scale i learn so fast i get frustrated being around most poeple... Everything that has to do with brain is faster when you have high IQ.
A tip for listeners: IMHO Chris is making efforts to be very precise and logically consistent. Part of that is not taking things as they are, but making sure that they represent what he wants them to by taking them completely apart for the listener, engaging how they work, and putting them back together. If you aren't used to this form of discourse - driven by a desire for hyper-granular, logical certainty, I suspect it can seem a bit challenging and maybe overly abstract. This isn't abstraction for it's own sake, or unnecessary detail, rather an earnest desire to communicate truthfully - with nothing assumed and no logical holes. Great stuff.
yes, both syntactical precision _and_ elaboration is important when communicating ideas. I'm just not entirely sure how you are attributing either of these qualities to this interview.
How do you explain this hole, other than boomer bias? Bernardo: can consciousness be transfered to a human made device in the future? Chris: No its impossible! Bernardo: What happens when we die? Chris: Your consciousness is transferred to a new "body".
Chris Langan is one of the most attractive minds of our time. He is fascinating and the way you approached this interview was truly wonderful! I am grateful to you for doing this. The amount of time and work it had to have taken is so intense and words of thanks don't truly convey my appreciation properly.
He is correct about what he says. Nitpicking I could point out that he could be slightly more coherent by using more standard rational terminology like “Reason” instead of novel terms for synonymous concepts like “the SCSPL”. The Logos is the “universal of the SCSPL” and Langan should phrase it that way to tie it back to Reason (Logos - God) more clearly and he should use Logic (Logos) to formally prove his ideas more explicitly than his rather “open to interpretation” or “find it yourself” way of proving the Logos through the CTMU model and its principles. He has done an amazing job overall though, and having my own works and knowing what the “competition” was like before I was aware of Langan, I can say I was truly amazed as he is arguably closer to having the same philosophy and notion of God as Logos as I do out of anyone in history, and that occurred “independently” (to some extent - obviously we are both Logos manifest and “interconnected” in that way). We are in “the Era” (the Age of Knowledge of God) that Isaiah spoke of. Already networks based on Logic and logical reasoning “cover the Earth like the sea”, it is a matter of time and how many “growing pains” there are.
@@logicalconceptofficial I think a lot of it is that he is just a naturally disagreeable person (which is fine), has a little bit of an underdog complex, maybe around his not being part of the university system, and has to deal with a lot of people who don't even get what he is trying to do with this theory attacking aspects of it which are irrelevant or inconsequential. Remember, being smart doesn't automatically give you a perfect personality. He still has his own internal emotional life coming to bear on his demeanor.
@@LandersWorkshop If you watch/listen to other interviews with Chris, you'll notice his tendency is to quickly generate a thoughtful response to a given question. He strikes me as someone with high cognitive efficiency. Also, he probably has thought about a lot of these topics prior to being asked about them, he's been around a few years.
You’re an incredibly great interviewer. Chris is obviously incredibly smart, but you guided him perfectly and kept everything organized and coherent. Great work.
how is it that such a smart person forsnt know thats actually happening with population demographics in most countries. many populations now below replacement levels.
Chris is brilliant but just needs to admit a couple limitations. We, as humans cannot possibly know that which we cannot perceive or extrapolate with our finite senses and brain neurons. Given those limitations, we are further limited by the finite number of words that are available to us with which to describe what we wish to understand and communicate.
@@ChatGPT1111 Good point, but would you agree then, to completely describe something in its totality is to BE that something itself? Since human language is so limited. I.e. only the Creator God can be as great as Itself.
@@PeterGibbonns It's convenient and even tempting to conclude him a fraud - but it also looks like there's something intelligent in his theory, so it's also a bit of a cop out to dismiss it out of hand.
@@danielwalley6554 Nothing he said made sense. He makes up is own words. He’s so bitter about his short comings and hates that he’s mediocre. Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities.
@@PeterGibbonns "Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities". I don't think I'm the one offended here. I think you're offended that I said something even remotely in his defense. I'm just being as neutral as I possibly can, because I care about getting to the truth of things. Judging by your reaction, you're not doing the same.
This guy is a bit of a legend or meme in some corners of the internet, this is the first time I've seen him speak and damn he's a fascinating character, and I don't say that lightly. Extremely sharp and interesting mind.
Wow. First time hearing Chris interviewed at this serious level. Most bits on the internet treat him, because of his intellect, almost as an object of curiosity. His ideas of language(s) really struck a chord. I have from the early days of personal intellectual awakening intuitively felt the importance of the precision of language. Great to hear him express his ideas. Curt you keep raising the bar. Congratulation for your channels development as well as your obvious personal growth.
Definitely the best, most in-depth interview with Mr. Langan yet. His enormous depth of understanding and his humanity are both on display here. Nice job!
@@alexeyprofi3951 I agree. But one of the great things about a tautology is that it will be able to handle anything you throw at it. That proves it is a tautology but doesn't mean it's a theory of everything. I think he's a very smart man and his theory gives us more of an insight into the coupling of brilliance and aggrievance. My hypothesis makes a few predictions regarding how his theory will be seen in the coming centuries.
@@alexeyprofi3951 Right, which doesn't mean that his theory is valid. I think he'd even agree with that. It is simply a necessary criterion of a valid theory.
It's a christian idea, as Jordan revived its importance in the current dominance of censoring speech and collectivist lies, we can tell this influence triggered tons of people. The verbal revolution is unstoppable! The understanding symbolically is the (S)-WORD, the logos, cutting reality into two. Truth and lies "separating wheat and chaff". We have fields with their according language whether it's math/physics/psychology that circle around a center that wants to manifests itself. Example: Water can be frozen or boiling (opposites) or the crux (range between mild and warm), the crux which is the optimal center. As taught, that jesus is the logos, the word. He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the ending. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The universe is a codex => It's an attempt to get closer to the foundation! Through the son you get to the father: in following his humble image (son) the universe will reveal itself. (father). Good, bad, light, dark, beauty, ugly. etc - through spirit. (instinct) Before there was spoken language, in caves the first human made symbolic drawings and combining them with sounds linking them to actions and ideas. We are used to learning spoken language but often forget we always try to describe reality and try to make our descriptions more closer the truth. Truth shall set you free.
I found it interesting that he was mentioning his parents being closely associated with the Beatniks. I wonder if he is aware of William S. Burroughs's writing about his conception of the "language virus" which controls the human mind.
@@mesarosshawn2422 unfortunately there is no value in intelligence. I highly recommend you check out a few things that are very similar to his explanation. The hermetic principles, Donald Hofmanns explanation, Alan watts, and the law of one In that order. It's been said time and time again for centuries but only few people see it sadly. I believe religion was created around these concepts too but average people simply can't grasp the concept well enough and end up missing the point.
Lmao ya I’ve heard him talk many times and always thought he needs someone smart enough to interview him tho and now that finally has happened I don’t understand a thing lol
@@Tyrosine0910 You don't need to be smart. He's not smart, himself. Standardized IQ has been debunked for a long time and it has been proven time and again that people can get better at standardized IQ tests when they do them more than once, something Langan has admitted to doing in other interviews; not to mention, standardized IQ only measures your systematizing abilities, which says nothing of your actual general intelligence because it doesn't mean you'll be able to unserstand things objectively, only that you're good at organizing things, period. As for his 'theory', All he's saying is that reality is fundamentally language (his idea revolves around naive set theory, which is not a valid framework) and his evidence for it is that we can use language to describe it. This is not only circular reasoning, it's also not a novel claim; you can reduce his assertion further by replacing 'language' with 'logic', as language is a system of logic, and you'd literally have what's called Socratic Idealism (aka Platonism), which also uses circular reasoning. He basically conflates "models" with reality. Even in the beginning of this interview he admits his 'evidences' are inductively reasoned, meaning they're *induced* , not deduced - this is what's called confirmation bias, by definition. This means the same thing as saying he *assumes* his conclusion and then works backwards, which is literally circular reasoning. It's hokey poke, poppycock, nonsense, pseudoscience, quackery, whichever term you prefer. I literally walked you through a simple refutation, if you don't understand then that's on you
Your introduction discussing the difficulty with credibly navigating new concepts where the constructs and language is also wholly new without a historically established decoding, was masterfully said. Your approach to credibly explain the concept back to the conceiver to their satisfaction is the ultimate show of earnest integrity. I'm a fan.
Yeah, it's like Eric is self-conscious about not being "peer reviewed" or whatever, and over-compensates by speaking in extra-formal, overly-technical language. Like dude, in English. Channel your inner Feynman!
I'll be honest, I was very critical of Chris Langen and his theory before. I didn't read much about his work save for a few words here and there. I found the curiosity to watch this video and see him describe his theory himself. I'm actually more open to it now, and plan to explore it further in the future.
Google algo offered me this exceptional piece .... I saw 4 hours and said to my self - ok I'll watch an hour maybe ... 4 hours later I could not interrupt you both. I did not have the pleasure for knowing mr. Langan, so thank you both for this exceptional knowledge and eye opener ...
I am almost speechless... this man reconciles every single hermetic and occult tradition into a left brain road map. I have insane respect for this man. Also, great work on the channel!
As a mostly right -brained person, i strive to understand the left-half....when the day is done, i ,like yourself, respect his articulation of religion, and occultism into a left brain topography.......I am more intuative, but chris's description, and interpretation is fascinating....
I wasn't expecting this level of profoundly deep insight, have to thank Curt for his open mind and willingness to listen. The tirade against Dawkins was exquisite & well overdue!
@@gazmasonik2411 your last sentence makes me more eager than i already was to listen, dawkins arrogance makes me forget that all are entitled to their opinions.
There is no left-right brain dichotomy. Please revisit basic sciences before attempting to break into the fringe. Otherwise you lose grounding. Peace. ✌️
Chris Langan needs to start CONDUCTING interviews with people. I would pay good money to watch him drag academics out into the deepest end of their fields and drown them.
@@marvinbecker388 Bad in terms of publicity, but I think it could be a great discussion. Alex is more educated and smarter than the media portraits him. Watch Alex's interview with Michael Malice and you will see a very different man than what you have in mind. Canceling people that have a different viewpoint from the mainstream is a foolish thing in terms of protecting individuality and also in terms of understanding the world. Even someone as crazy as Alex Jones should have a voice, and I say that as someone that disagrees with him on almost everything.
@@jesterfrombeyond1776 Alex Jones is a showman and people don't understand his character.. Doing a show with Alex Jones wouldn't destroy his credibility with opened minded people, and the sheep already think both have zero credibility.. If you want to get you're message out you go in Joe Rogan on Alex Jones show, not to the legacy media who tried to destroy both and gloriously failed..
What an absolute joy this was to sit through. As a member of the audience, let me tell you CJ, since you are on the stage and unable to see your own work from our perspective, your show DELIVERS.
This is great! Thanks so much! I've been following Langan for over a decade. It always bothered me that he rarely gets interviewed. Once in awhile I search for any new ones which is extremely rare, and then I come across this first thing in the morning. Jackpot!
You're on-point; Confirms my own research of the last 20+ years. My apologies for looking over you in the past, I'll make it a point to familiarize myself with the language of your CTMU. And thank you kindly.
Dude you rock! There can't be many out there who can manage a 4 hour+ interview with Langan and keep both him and us occupied. Look proudly at yourself in the mirror my man.
Easiest way to explain the CTMU: What is it? Axiomatic explanation of How cognition/consciousness self created which projects spacetime within itself. Nothingness is impossible because of potential. The substrate of reality is logic/syntax. Paradox gives logic it’s utility. Syntax allows for self referential logic. Self reference gives rise to cognition/consciousness. If anything self reference is consciousness. Spacetime emerges from this cognition to give itself utility and experience itself not as a whole. Much like how Donald hoffman explains consciousness is wearing a VR headset.
Man it just bugs me so much. Maybe I'm stupid ( most likely ) but it all seems like well its there to make itself therefore it has to be there to make itself.
"Danger zoner" that know my limitations here, so I appreciate this mind-giant patiently explaining his thoughts, and to you for bringing him to our attention. Chris is inspirational and seems like a likable guy. I'd recommend putting this up as several smaller topic isolated videos with catchy titles as well, but thanks for the timestamps.
Nothing comes close! It was so good. Probably seeing it for a third time soon lol. Doing it on 1.5 speed. Makes you think faster. So much dense information.
@@CharFred-vr1ti exactly. The guy is just throwing out word salad. If you actually listen to his arguments, they're not only circular arguments but also he says a lot of stuff that contradicts other things he says. He just has a large vocabulary so average people think he's smart or talking about stuff that is beyond their grasp. As someone with a huge vocabulary myself, I understood him fine and know he's full of sh lol
I always assumed this guy was just really good at taking IQ tests, so I never looked into anything he had to say. I had no idea he was an actual genius with deep, creative, generative, and fascinating insights. I ordered his book half way through the interview, can't wait to dive in as deeply as I'm capable of. Loving this podcast!
I put this on as background noise at work. It's great to hear people talking without understanding a thing so I can focus on work. Much respect to both of these guys for solving stuff my brain would never allow me to.
Man, I have to tell you my experience, maybe it helps others here - The first 3-4 times I listened to this episode I barely understood a sentence of it really (Msc mechanical engineer btw), but I had a feeling Chris has done it, in terms of TOEs, so I didn't give up. These past 2 years, I listened to probably hundreds of podcasts on toe and other channels regarding physics, metaphysics, religion, phylosophy, toes etc and always after I got new insights I would go back to this episode and find out I understand it more and more each time! And today, after dozens more toe podcasts, lectures, books, I am listening to this episode again and for the first time I think I fully understand everything he says !!! And not just that, now I am starting to see that he is 100% right in terms of CTMU coherently explaining and expanding upon Bernardo Castrup's, Wolfgang Smith's, Don Hogffman's, Eric Weinstein's and many other toes!
Great story! I also don't fully understand him but somehow I intuitively feel that he has the right concept! Maybe because I also read a lot of Carl Jung and his ideas definitely have some similarities.
This was absolutely marvelous, and I really appreciate the effort you put into researching the theories of Mr Langan before the interview. I don't typically do 4-hour interviews, but this one flew by. Much respect, sir.
Damn i am glad he talked about IQ not encapsulating the complete story to what intelligence truly is! Glad that i had to hear it since one tends to doubt themselves in terms of cognitive capabilities even though the ability to think in a certain way about a certain topic doesnt equate to the ability to gain insights in other topics. That was really motivating!
@@VenturiLife And even that is a small sliver, see Howard Gardner’s Theory of Multiple Intelligences. Not sure if Gardner's latest work points out that intelligence is modal and interactive. No one would deny Lebron James applying for the job of basketball player so IQ, at best, is relational as well as environmental.
The fact that you had Chris Langan on is impressive. I wish you could get some debates going between some of these other TOE guys and him. That would be very eye-opening no matter how it went.
Chris has a lot of visible resentment towards the people who have mistreated him over the years and seems to default to defensiveness when disagreed with. When you get trolled enough times, you start to see trolls everywhere. I think it may be better to just let him speak and treat him kindly. I wouldn’t want to put him in a room with anybody arrogant, I don’t think it’ll go well for them, and I would rather hear what he has to say than watch a battle of the wits.
@@yitzhakgoldberg2404 He's not a narcissist. The people he's referring to are not on his level, Chris just has the challenger personality type, but he's not malevolent the way "danger zone" people can be.
@@yitzhakgoldberg2404 He has the same personality type as Donald Trump, a very much hated person, so I'm not surprised. But that doesn't mean he's wrong.
This man is not only fascinating, he is so authentically himself and BS free it is impossible not to love him and be inspired by his energy. God bless Chris Lanagan!!
Very true. A lot of intellectuals try to manufacture there personalities to seem smart and hold back on there thoughts and pick and choose what they say to a huge degree. Chris says what he wants regardless of the audience and he still comes out extremely intelligent.
Langan is giving me so much language. Language for things I've known but couldnt say and language for many things I have never imagined. I can feel the shift in my gestalt happening today and I am so thrilled, even relieved about it. Chris if you read this, thank you for re-enchanting a part of my soul. Curt, friend. Thank you as always. You're bringing light to the world. With love, Matthew
Never underestimate anybody. For all you know, the bouncer of the next club you will randomly go to might be one of the smartest guys on planet earth. This shows in my view how assumptions may perhaps be the hardest hurdle to overcome when undertaking any kind of speculative endeavour. Cheers!
Using fancy words purposely, to try and be perceived as intelligent, doesn't actually work when being perceived by actually intelligent people. Listening to a person speak for even 10 seconds, can tell you how incredibly unintelligent someone is. The only thing not to underestimate about someone, is the sheer amount of stupidity that one is capable of. Take the "plandemic" for example, and all the low intelligence people that wore masks on their faces and even got injected with a bio-weapon, without doing any real research...That is a level of stupidity that is truly astounding.
I think I'll look back on this episode and realize it changed my life. Thanks, Chris, for precisely defining the undefinable. And thanks you, Curt, for giving him a platform like yours and a line of questioning that has brought me to the brink of understanding this reality and beyond. Unrelated note: have I lost my mind or is there this minutely distinguishable echo between the two of them that makes it seem like there's an underlying "audience buzz?"
I’m hearing his theory for the first time and clearly I’ll need to really read up on it first to really understand and appreciate what he’s saying. However, one of the gifts of Einstein was using thought experiments to make his theory easier to understand (ex. man in a falling elevator, two men perceiving lightning strikes on moving trains, etc.) It would be helpful if Chris (or someone else) could come up with a few thought experiments to better understand Langan’s theory.
His theory is a theory of thought experiments and what thought experiments are in a way. Fundamentally they are logically derived observations of reality (deduced from the mind and not necessarily reality). What these thought experiments have in common is that they use pure thought (a philosophical process) to derive a general understanding of observations. The syntactic structure derived from the mind is coupled to the syntactic structure of reality in this way. They cannot be separated because reality is only reality because there are observers with a conscious.
@@parker9163 , I agree with much of your statement. But it is the limitations of the human mind that roadblocks progress in all fields of science. AIL is currently attaining novel material, biopharmaceutical, and many other scientific breakthroughs!
This us easily one of my favorite interviews, never heard of chris until today but everything he says aligns perfectly with my own personal journey and observations and conclusions on the nature of reality and its structure, my "awakening" happened a year and a half ago and has been a constant journey of me asking questions and opening myself up to the answers reality has constantly been presenting to me. Logical induction is so spot on. Thats been the tool the has provided me the utmost utility through this journey of introspection and expansion. Much love for this beautiful collaboration ❤️❤️🔥🔥
Agree. I feel strangely science lately is being held by the cools guys in a “cigar club” like they purposely are being stagnant. I almost think discoveries were made that would shatter our reality so they are stonewalling society.
if you go against the kindergarten cultists that is academia expect them to never ever forget it. you need to believe the cult. AGW, orange man is the devil, you better be an atheist, etc etc
Kurt, you probably won’t see this because it’s a rather old interview but u have to put it out there. Besides the fact that this is once again a fantastic interview and that you are really doing gods work here - metaphorically and perhaps literally. I really see a lot of myself in you, primarily your deep drive for understanding but with a visceral humility, openness and honesty that you just don’t see a lot. You are not perfect, you know that but you admit that. You enable us to learn with you and we see you grow with us. Great work man. Peace and love.
@@TheoriesofEverything Hey Curt! is this one of Chris's accounts on youtube? This person is chatting with me in the comment section. "@RealChrisLangan"
@@TheoriesofEverything The guy in video is wrong there is no Hell. God does not cut off, or punish God. Like he said, your highest identity is God. We return to God upon death, there is no Hell to go to. Only God truly exists, reality is mental. The physical comes from the the mental. All is mind, Gods mind. My information comes direct from God, I went into the light and I knew everything. There is nothing that is not God, including you.
@@therainman7777 I've watched alot about Langan since I've found out about him. Yes, he speaks alot about his intelligence but theres a difference between being actually narcissistic and just knowing you are smarter than the average person. He is not being an insufferable bastard about it. Just stating facts. Hard not too offend people who are low IQ and also insecure about it.
@@pro-socialsociopath769 Tbh I wonder how hard it's not to develop somekind of ego when pretty much majority of people have IQ that's closer to apes than this guy. Then again you must be lonely as fuck.
My god! So I'm not nearly half way into this video, but this is the enshrouded conversation I have been waiting to hear. I have been consuming info and interviews as if searching unbeknownst to me. It felt like it all is nothing but reruns. I just didn't recognize my frustration exactly. I'm not a genius but I'm totally getting what this man is saying. It's like the perfect translation guide to a background program that has been going on in my brain. I didn't understand the very language and equations the program is using that now seem so obvious. It's astounding. It set my mind spinning around the possible fractals this can extrapolate out as and converge into. It really helps guide the peices of my personal puzzle of the universe in my mind. Well done with this video and thank you. I can't explain how enlightening and almost cathartic it is for me. I'll be looking for more. All love.
After reading an introductory CTMU wiki-page and watching this for a second time, I'm absolutely floored with its elegance. I'm still learning some terminology, but Langan articulates my intuited philosophy so succinctly, and provides an incredible epistemology (logical induction/ logic of experience) which expands so nicely on what I've learned from Jordan Peterson and like minds. The intellectual rigor as well as the intimate humanity on display is a real blessing. God is good. Thank you so much.
Yes, I must look into the CMTU myself, as most of what he is saying from what I can comprehend is very intuitive and grounded in logic/common sense. He also doesn't just denounce God, but rather realizes him as an essential apparatus of our reality in our identity as a collective. This is key. I think God is too GOOD of an "idea" to forget about, as our modern atheists would have us do.
Hey Curt, thank you for all the work you put into this episode and ones like it. I look forward to walking plum off the ledge into this rabbit hole. Also, thank you for actually acknowledging how hard it is to do the work not as a brag but as a strategy, and how you really have to swing the pick to get through dense material like this. YT is flooded with far too many 'xyz in 5-10 minutes" videos, so to take the time to figure out optimal questions and talk elaborate with the man himself is greatly appreciated. We cannot elaborate with Jung, Dirac, and many others who are long gone so these types of videos are invaluable.
Thank you! What a great interview! As someone who has gone down the rabbit hole of past lives, consciousness, quantum mechanics, near death experiences, reality as a sim, holographic universe, supernatural phenomenon and UAPs, this 4 hour interview never had a dull moment. The way he explained time as a way of processing procedural code and if we stand outside of time we see the code in its entirety is super elegant to me as I am a coder. Love this channel!
I didn't take him seriously prior because I didn't know if this channel and the ones I saw didn't get into the depths. I digress. I just discovered this and I fully agree. I similarly have gone down each route as well. I'd like to consider myself smaht with an autistic memory and pretty high pattern recognition skill. But this guy actually got all of the details correct (things that were seen, heard, recalled and not opinionated) I was pretty impressed. I'll have to dive a bit deeper into his theory.
I have to say this man looks pretty young for someone born 1952. He looks easily 10+ ys younger. Else, I am at 130+ IQ but can't follow at all during large parts of the interview. Until this point, reading Nietzsche was the hardest thing I found. But this... is on a hole different level.
Finnally somebody is so brave to fight the bear in his den and ask what is the meaning of each term directly and clearly without fear that he looks ignorant. Would be interesting a trialog with Bernardo Kastrup. This is indeed a very well elaborate and long enough interview compared with the very superficial ones we have seen so far. This man has something to say and you help people to understand his message and I hope the interview will be a corkscrew to open the minds to new way of thinking.Kudos!
No. This will never be understood other than as further concepts inside the brain and therefor projected out as reality itself, since infinity is unlimited and finity is not. You are per definition _busy being human trying to understand God_ at the moment, instead of _being God._ God is nothing to be _learned_ (unless that's what God wants to do) but to, eventually, be experienced. God is *always* _whatever is,_ which originates out of infinite love - which "allows" every single possible "ego-part" of itself into existence. In other words: no single piece of God can understand the totality of God. Other than in limitations such as language. Which isn't everything that God is.
@@MizukiNorito If you’re saying that a being like a human cannot understand god or even come close ,,,then yes you’re right…due to massive differences between the complexities of human brain and the universe,,,,but understand this guy’s theory is possible, though hard. In other words: Gods presence can at-least be acknowledged if not understood .
I listened to the whole 4 hours in one sitting, wow! I also wonder what is that background noise, like people whispering, it was really strange. Am I the only one who could hear the whispering of conversations going on on top of these two talking? It was very insightful, thank you for taking the time to ask such meaningful questions.
@@TheoriesofEverything Thank you for your response! I was starting to think that I tapped into a 5th, 6th dimension recording on top of this recording, haha. thanks for clarifying.
In the last 5 minutes of the conversation, what he is describing is exactly what led me to this interview. I just had a gut reaction to click- was I surprised indeed. I had never heard of Chris Langan, and he explains WHY I haven't heard of him. Boy am I glad I clicked.
Thank you for your wonderful work sir. I've been waiting for someone intelligent, curious, and open minded to interview Chris for a long time. I'm also glad I found your channel, I have a lot of videos to catch up with.
what is love ? "When things combine in a non terminal domain via inter expansion, when they overlie each other, they are merging, their identities, that’s what love is, its a combination that enhances the self actualization, the self expression of the combine entity, its synergistic, and its more than the sum of its parts! " Chris Langan
I wanted to make a comment but thought by doing so it would be suggesting I'm intelligent enough to join the debate. But I know I'm not intellectual enough and I'm not sure why I find it so fascinating. Does anyone else feel like that? Mind you, if these two gentlemen popped in for a cup of tea, I'd love to get their feedback on some questions. One would be: Why do we need a TOE? Another that is linked to it might be: If there is a God and he has a purpose for us, would it be more beneficial to focus our thinking on that? Or have I missed the point and that's what this is all about? My feeling (or it could be my worldview) is that the truth of the matter, or TOE, may be far too simple to satisfy some of us. But then, simplicity can be beautiful, can't it? There I go! I've made a comment! Not sure why. Ego? Yes, probably. It's good to communicate. But in the comments section under a video is probably not the ideal way. Apologies!
*OH.* *MY.* *GOD.* I was going to ask for when you were about to release this, woke up at 6am (Athens time), and saw this! you can't imagine my excitement upon noticing the 4 HOUR MARK!
This was absolutely mind blowing. Thanks for doing this project Curt and for being so serious about it. A few things came to mind as I listened. First, I wondered if Chris had anything to say about prion disease. His definition of evil certainly applies to those. His comparative analysis of Buddha and Jesus Christ made me smile and reminded me that Francesco of Assisi AKA Giovanni Bernardone was a rich man's son who had the courage of his convictions and wasn't afraid to speak about God.
I loved your introduction - you have a great perspective on things, which is multiple! That's a rare quality, but it's growing in practice these days! Cheers!
Thank you for all that you do, Curt. You are the man. I am undergoing a second viewing of this after the Langan/Kastrup theolocution (which was excellent). In that discourse there were some points of seeming contention between the ideas of the two that it seems may have been avoided had the abstruse language that Langan employs in his CTMU not have made his points less than conspicuous at times. I hope that Kastrup has and takes the time to familiarize himself with Langan's terminology and that the pair participate in another discussion, should that be of interest for all involved parties. While initially Langan's verbiage may seem superfluous, obfuscating, or even supercilious, he is meticulously precise in his descriptions and often some of the meta-properties of his thoughts are lost in communication due to the aforementioned and one's lack of familiarity with his ideas. I absolutely love how Langan's mind works and how he seeks to address the fundaments of reality through a lens of logic. I will most definitely be delving deeply into his works over the next few years. Thank you so much, Curt; your channel is really in a league of its own when it comes to promulgating the ideas of some of the greatest thinkers of our time. Kudos!
He isn't mainstream because he doesn't go along with mainstream thinking. He has conservative values and is considers the current liberals to be demonic. That doesn't go over well with getting popular acceptance because he doesn't compromise the truth.
He isn’t mainstream because he has a terrible ego complex, argues like a child for months at a time in comments threads, uses mystifying and imprecise jargon and just plain doesn’t have any testable ideas of real value.
I admire the way he uplifts our Creator of all existence, without any regards for cultural religious beliefs or backgrounds but from a very intelligent standpoint and even mathematical (universal language) which gives evidence sufficient to establish Truth and produce belief that Love or GOD is ultimately needed for eternal existence in a perfect Uni-verse!
You sir, are the intelligent man's Joe Rogan! I myself am a high IQ autodidact. 37 years old, and I've just been diagnosed with autism... I've been an information junkie my entire life. I don't function well, in a classroom setting, but if I watch lectures online, and am allowed to only research, what I want to research, I retain all of it. 3 cheers for the autodidacts of the world!
I feel you, the classroom setting isn't fit for critical thinkers. The autism label doesn't mean anything imo. They have been labeling autodidacts and introverts as autistic for years now. It is just a label that says you don't fit in a generalist system that doesn't even work for the generalists. Just my opinion though.
@@62serpens Sure, I just think we are currently wasting potential by stigmatizing autism as a disorder. Given the stellar rise in numbers of autistic people, it is clear that we are finding out that it is quite normal to be autistic. Either people are becoming autistic now or we are discovering that autism is not a rare condition but a relatively common human trait. Either way, it is clear that the traditional educational system is not fit to nurture the potential of people with autism. The stigma connected to autism is that autistic people have a learning or attention disorder because they don’t do well in the conventional education system dynamic. Rather than being skeptical of the system, we call into question the normalcy of how all these people’s learning and attention mechanisms work. Learning and paying attention is hard to standardize but it is also the wrong way to go. Today a lot of people with autism are being medicated with Ritalin etc, to conform them to the average student. That is where we leave so much potential on the table. Many people with autism are extremely capable of learning and paying attention when they have more control over the setting. What we call a disorder is actually a specific kind of attention or focus imo. When the mind is extremely focused on one subject it is counterproductive to force its attention elsewhere. Exceptional discoveries are made by people who pay exceptional attention. Also, we are telling young autistic kids that they are in the wrong when they can’t sit still for hours like it is normal to expect a young child to do that. A kid with more energy than an “average” kid, has to channel more energy so it should be obvious they need a different daily routine. It is hard to talk about this in a concise manner and also I am not a native English speaker so it’s also hard for me to find the right words. I don’t think I have the solutions to this at all and I understand that it is very hard to have a fine-tuned educational system but I think it is clear we are wasting enormous potential and we are telling exceptional people they need to be “normal”. And if autism is idd a common human trait then it is a norm and the system should be tailored to it, not the kids tailored to the system.
You absolutely know someone's got it when numerous other models from all over the spectrum actually align throughout history. His definition of evil for example is congruent with ancient iconographic representations and the same as we experience it. Evil is totally uncoordinated and unnatural, there's no cause and effect. Its likened to chaotic water. It's also likened to time without space. ( _Imagine being stuck in time with no control or action/reaction_ ) Its anti-existence, and can only be understood as a mockery or total offense of what we understand to be good. (Good just meaning life/fully existent) He's a genius not simply for formulating the model, but translating it into a language understood by others. That's so difficult, like 4 levels of translation if not more
Evil is not uncoordinated. It's runs just as it's supposed to. It's not a chaotic water but a ripple effect that causes a chain reaction through out the universe. Evil is a necessity in order to give definition to good.
He’s the teacher I never had. Even though I was never that interested in physics. Maybe I should read his stuff, see if it makes sense. Because right now, largely thanks to interviews, I’m becoming more and more interested. Thanks.
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*NEW* CHRIS LANGAN SPEAKS TO BERNARDO KASTRUP: th-cam.com/video/HsXxgQy4xLQ/w-d-xo.html
Timestamps:
00:00:00 Introduction
00:06:00 How long does it take to learn the CTMU?
00:09:52 Introduction to the CTMU
00:12:03 Syntax and Semantics duality (Stone duality)
00:13:26 Syntactic covering, human cognitive syntax, and reality syntax
00:14:38 "Language" is more like reality than mathematical language
00:15:19 Love, related to "inner expansion"
00:16:28 There's no such thing as a "literal interpretation"
00:17:47 Standard physics is a linear-ectomorphic semi-model
00:19:59 Zeno's paradox and the problem with continuity / real numbers
00:22:00 The conspansive manifold
00:24:03 Meta-simultaneity
00:25:58 CTMU set theory vs ZFC
00:28:15 Metaformal system vs formal system
00:32:37 Free will and telic recursion
00:34:17 Evil is incoherent
00:35:20 Syndiffeonesis and the hierarchy of metalanguages
00:37:32 Difference from sameness (monism / nonduality)
00:40:00 Mach's principle
00:42:08 Expanding universe (expanding INTO what? vs. the metric)
00:44:37 How did Chris come up with the CTMU?
00:45:41 Newcomb's paradox and free will
00:55:16 Unary relations and syndiffeonesis
00:57:02 You participate in what you perceive. You help create the world.
01:01:38 A theory of everything must "explain" cognition
01:02:26 Origin of life
01:03:19 Many Worlds Interpretation is "hogwash"
01:08:17 Existence is everywhere a choice to exist
01:12:58 Definition of G.O.D. (God)
01:14:16 If consciousness is associated with quantum collapse, can a particle be evil?
01:15:25 Good vs evil (in the CTMU)
01:17:14 Human Singularity vs Tech Singularity
01:20:18 Mind uploading
01:22:14 Maximum entanglement speed
01:23:01 Liar's paradox
01:24:49 What is death? What happens after death?
01:26:38 UFOs / UAPs / Jack Sarfatti
01:30:58 Chris' paranormal experiences
01:39:10 On the criticism of Chris' CTMU (and Weinstein / Wolfram)
01:43:27 Supertautology
01:46:05 Interpreting different religions as aspect of the same reality
01:46:55 Why is atheism associated with being intellectual?
01:51:31 IQ and Stephen Jay Gould
01:54:19 Race and IQ
02:00:04 The truth about intelligence is that there's more to it than IQ
02:03:46 On Chris' personality, and how he chose his wife
02:11:18 New Atheism and Sam Harris / Dawkins
02:18:07 Hell exists
02:23:47 Belief vs action
02:27:29 God is his own bound
02:28:10 Who was Jesus? Who was Buddha?
02:30:52 Klee Irwin
02:36:05 Joscha Bach
02:38:33 Proto-computation vs Turing machine
02:44:50 Eric Weinstein's Geometric Unity
02:46:57 Stephen Wolfram's Theory of Everything
02:49:04 Donald Hoffman's "reality is an illusion"
02:50:34 Bohm and Bergson
02:55:07 Douglas Hofstadter's Strange Loop
02:56:37 Penrose and Hameroff
02:59:36 Thomas Campbell's "My Big TOE"
03:02:07 Noam Chomsky
03:06:06 Jordan Peterson
03:07:45 Metacausation
03:10:56 Logico-geometric duality
03:13:17 Trialic
03:14:47 [Dav] Where to contact Chris?
03:16:04 [Dav] Afterlife carries our memories?
03:18:00 How is consciousness defined?
03:19:26 [Dav] Wittgenstein and Jonathan Mize
03:21:44 [Steven Nikolic] Information and logical ruleset are the only necessary ontology
03:24:08 [Carian Dudley] Which philosophers of the past came the closest?
03:25:19 [Carian Dudley] Gödel's incompleteness theorems and CTMU
03:26:58 [Timothy O'Brien] Leibniz's Monadology's relation to CTMU
03:27:44 [Eike Freidank] Difference relations
03:28:23 [Stephen Olis] Arenas where Chris feels dumb or average?
03:29:00 Nootropics, psychedelics, and meditation
03:36:27 [Snorre Grimstad] Can the CTMU help someone with a psychological disorder?
03:37:47 [Snorre Grimstad] Do you have to experience the world to understand it?
03:40:11 Rationalism
03:41:45 How is science limited?
03:46:02 The universe is more than the sum of its parts
03:48:20 What Chris would have done different in the developing his theory
03:50:35 Advice for YOU (the viewer), developing your own TOE
03:54:21 Philanthropism and Bill Gates
04:00:03 Advice for Curt
Thank you
I already know i will listen at least twice to all of it 😀, 4 hours of prime content. Did you get a chance to pick Chrises mind about what he thinks of Walframs theory?
@@marcinkryczka7044 per the time stamps, they spend 2 minutes on wolfram at 2:47:00. And remember, these are 200-IQ minutes :)
@@marcinkryczka7044 Indeed
Damn these are some truly interesting topics!! 🔥
I cant believe i went down a wormhole of finding out the smartest man ever documented is alive today and made a theory of everything yet is almost completely ignored like a crazy person? I feel like i just uncovered a conspiracy lol
Bingo 😂👌
@@Self-Duality Looks like you beat me to his interviews! ( you are the guy who responded to me on a dailywire video about him )
Anything scientific that ultimately leads to God, is automatically ignored!
@@Quantum_Nebula 😇🪞😌💭
Oh what a surprise lol, a mind ahead of it's time is deemed a heretic by mainstream academia... There are two types of academics - those who are understanders, and those who are agreers.. Most academics just agree with whatever is mainstream, and repeat it for the sake of seeming to know what they're talking about. These are also the first to reject that which they can't understand. Then there are those who understand nearly everything they come across, and are the first to be intrigued by an idea and to explore it further. These are the ones usually deemed heretics, because they devote their time on the actual theories as opposed to the politics surrounding them. It's necessary to be critical, but critical to not be unnecessarily so.
Curt, how you prepared for this interview is beyond me. Then executing such a productive conversation with Chris is yet beyond me again. So impressive my man.
Thank you so much. Chris is wonderfully kind to me and it makes him easy to talk to. Glad you were able to gleen from the rapport and technical talk.
@@TheoriesofEverything Hi Curt. New to the channel. Thanks Great Work! - May I ask you if you know alt links to Chris that would be polite to share? I just typoed my email on his site and now that link is as a good as dead it looks like. I need to send him a letter. Any chance?. please and thanks
Yes. Grateful to Kurt for getting me to revisit Chris, who I learned about many many years ago but had forgotten about. This was very interesting, given what I think seems to be a public misunderstanding about this man.
Couldn't agree more. Never seen this channel before or heard of either of these notable individuals, but I was blessed by the TH-cam algorithm for once. Normally it removes my favourite channels without replacing them with significant alternatives, but in this case, I cannot believe the high quality of this channel.
When someone goes through the level of preparation that Curt highlights during the introduction, one cannot help but become interested.
I hope that this interest in Theoretical Physics remains with me. It is a wonderful feeling to have ones mind introduced to new concepts. The mental gymnastics require an opening of the mind. I can understand this is fascinating and now I just need to determine what gnosis must be studied to complete this journey!
He is the Predictor Demon, pulling a prank on Langan.
This is why I like your style Curt, you spend weeks studying your guests and go one of the deepest dives into a person and the topic on the internet. Completely underrated channel. The world is not smart enough for this channel, but I hope you keep doing what you do.
Agreed! Curt impressed me greatly with how much research he did.
Can you give me one example from a 4 hours interbiee of when langan said anything new or revelatory. Or when curt really drilled down on what he was being told.
@@redmed10 don't let logic interfere with their desperate attempt at being noticed.
Who here came after watching the #Michael #Knowles & #Chris #Langan interview?
Tens of thousands.
Guilty. The first I heard of Mr. Langan was the Knowles interview . . .and boy did it open up a rabbit hole. Kinda crazy this guy gets so much flak online regarding his IQ because all the content I have seen with him, he is never the one mentioning his IQ.
I did
Just watched it before this
@@henkverhaeren3759 België?
All I can say is holy moly dude. Seriously.
I watch a lot of podcasts and there are very few of them that I don't miss any episodes but yours is one of them. This was probably one of the most fascinating interviews I've ever seen, ever. You're a brave person for being willing and able to step into what I can only imagine was intimidating, but also ceaselessly searching for the theory of everything. Chris was right - never let someone dissuade you from what you're doing and never let your curiosity falter or decline. I'm likely a bit older on your demographic but I discover new things every day and you both were correct - life is experiential, so make sure you wring every last bit of life out of yours.
do you like coffee?
This is the only podcast I watch. Shit is straight fire!
In addition to his theoretical work, Chris could do a mean voiceover for heroic animation characters.
Ha! Nice.
yes
Sounds like JK Simmons
Haha yes please!
Hilarious!!
...just love the way he talks about metaphysical, highly complex themes, while looking, formulating, like your dad explaining how to close the garage door. :"D
Yes he sure made up a lot of jargon to fit his belief system
@@themodfather9382 so cute. Another hater who is not able to understand the CTMU because it is too much for them.
@@ensar2805 do you understand the CTMU?
@@themodfather9382 learn the jargon then decide if it makes sense. New terms are required to explain new ideas
moment(s) of death!?... modification....d.o.m. ahem! "little death" reference: Law of 0,The
*what specific requirements are manditory to make/define Law,a & for each level,density, plane etc= adjusted for each. coded uniquely, updated signias color,fades transition etc.
above as below= body, man,human.= his head,skull& mind,brain,& his lower head, tip,head of his penis. & !? 1+1=3💲
I remember this guy, heard of him 15 years ago i was in high school researching iq and found a news article about a bouncer with 200iq… glad to see him healthy and working on something so important.
His intelligence made him a legitimate target from atheists and scientists, none of them would debate with him
On the subject of IQ, the standard American IQ test has a high score possible of 150. You have to score 100% to get that. I have a score of 140, only 1 in every 1000 people score that high.
The highest standardized score int Europe is 160 the highest Mensa score is 183.
So when they said Einstein had a 160 IQ, they were assuming he scored 100% on the European test. He never took the test.
Remember the IQ test is multiple choice questions. 100 is median score.
It is possible to randomly pick answers and score 100%
I am not sure if the people who made The European test, were trying to make Europeans look smarter or they did not understand the math. Either way the European test is flawed.
To test someone's intelligence one must be smarter than the people they are testing.
Mensa of course claims to be an IQ test, but it is not. It is an intelligence test. Not a good test for that either. Notice the made the high score higher to make it appear that Mensa members were smarter. That is probably why there is so many problems with the test.
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It should also be pointed out that the IQ test is designed to see if you can solve problems. In other words someone like myself may score high on the IQ test, but many other people who would score lower, have a better ability to recall, so they can spell or learn a language easier than a person like myself who has a high IQ.
You can also take more time answering questions, thus effectively becoming smarter. If you take longer making chess moves, you odds of winning go up. That is why they time them.
An ability to collaborate makes one smarter. The top scientists all hire mathematicians, who rarely get the any credit.
Of course the person who takes more time and learns more, often scores higher on IQ tests.
I understood IQ to be how well you learn. Perhaps not.
None of what you said is true.
@@learn2bstill412 It definitely has to do with how you learn. Look at it like CPU processing information. The faster the CPU the faster the "installation" of the programs.. My IQ is around 150 on WAIS scale i learn so fast i get frustrated being around most poeple... Everything that has to do with brain is faster when you have high IQ.
This guy is the Ron Swanson of theories of everything and I love it.
hahaha I was totally coming here to say the Ron Swanson of books! good call
or the My Pillow guy
@Gundyr 12 nice...
@stewart Or Ron Swanson is the Chris Langan of TV 📺
@@bremensname6057 i know what im about
You're doing a good job of bringing in unique minds that usually don't get the attention or questions they deserve! Keep it up yo
A tip for listeners: IMHO Chris is making efforts to be very precise and logically consistent. Part of that is not taking things as they are, but making sure that they represent what he wants them to by taking them completely apart for the listener, engaging how they work, and putting them back together. If you aren't used to this form of discourse - driven by a desire for hyper-granular, logical certainty, I suspect it can seem a bit challenging and maybe overly abstract. This isn't abstraction for it's own sake, or unnecessary detail, rather an earnest desire to communicate truthfully - with nothing assumed and no logical holes. Great stuff.
True but terminology plays a big factor and analogy would be useful lol.
@@Demention94 Agreed.:)
yes, both syntactical precision _and_ elaboration is important when communicating ideas. I'm just not entirely sure how you are attributing either of these qualities to this interview.
Well said.
How do you explain this hole, other than boomer bias?
Bernardo: can consciousness be transfered to a human made device in the future?
Chris: No its impossible!
Bernardo: What happens when we die?
Chris: Your consciousness is transferred to a new "body".
Chris Langan is one of the most attractive minds of our time. He is fascinating and the way you approached this interview was truly wonderful! I am grateful to you for doing this. The amount of time and work it had to have taken is so intense and words of thanks don't truly convey my appreciation properly.
He is correct about what he says. Nitpicking I could point out that he could be slightly more coherent by using more standard rational terminology like “Reason” instead of novel terms for synonymous concepts like “the SCSPL”.
The Logos is the “universal of the SCSPL” and Langan should phrase it that way to tie it back to Reason (Logos - God) more clearly and he should use Logic (Logos) to formally prove his ideas more explicitly than his rather “open to interpretation” or “find it yourself” way of proving the Logos through the CTMU model and its principles.
He has done an amazing job overall though, and having my own works and knowing what the “competition” was like before I was aware of Langan, I can say I was truly amazed as he is arguably closer to having the same philosophy and notion of God as Logos as I do out of anyone in history, and that occurred “independently” (to some extent - obviously we are both Logos manifest and “interconnected” in that way).
We are in “the Era” (the Age of Knowledge of God) that Isaiah spoke of.
Already networks based on Logic and logical reasoning “cover the Earth like the sea”, it is a matter of time and how many “growing pains” there are.
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@@logicalconceptofficial I think a lot of it is that he is just a naturally disagreeable person (which is fine), has a little bit of an underdog complex, maybe around his not being part of the university system, and has to deal with a lot of people who don't even get what he is trying to do with this theory attacking aspects of it which are irrelevant or inconsequential. Remember, being smart doesn't automatically give you a perfect personality. He still has his own internal emotional life coming to bear on his demeanor.
You must be a Christian. Much love
@@TheUniversityOfLight laughable 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You fell for the swindle, like many.
Finishing this up. I'm actually quite shocked with how deeply he knows everything that is thrown at him. Chris is no joke!
Wonder if he also has photo graphic memory to some degree? Along with super hi IQ to integrate all his information and connect all the dots!
They'll have probably run through the questions first prior to the interview.
@@LandersWorkshop If you watch/listen to other interviews with Chris, you'll notice his tendency is to quickly generate a thoughtful response to a given question. He strikes me as someone with high cognitive efficiency. Also, he probably has thought about a lot of these topics prior to being asked about them, he's been around a few years.
He can also draw well from memory and play instruments. Had a band when he was young and was a body building. Big body, big brain. Beautiful mind.
Most of the questions were pre-agreed on, and you could see he always looks to his right to check his notes.
You’re an incredibly great interviewer. Chris is obviously incredibly smart, but you guided him perfectly and kept everything organized and coherent. Great work.
Completely agree - Curt did such a fantastic job... this interview is one for the ages!
Guiding =/= structuring
how is it that such a smart person forsnt know thats actually happening with population demographics in most countries.
many populations now below replacement levels.
Chris is brilliant but just needs to admit a couple limitations. We, as humans cannot possibly know that which we cannot perceive or extrapolate with our finite senses and brain neurons. Given those limitations, we are further limited by the finite number of words that are available to us with which to describe what we wish to understand and communicate.
@@ChatGPT1111 Good point, but would you agree then, to completely describe something in its totality is to BE that something itself? Since human language is so limited. I.e. only the Creator God can be as great as Itself.
Finally: an intelligent interviewer who can at least understand much of what Chris is saying
You give Chris guy too much credit. He’s a fraud.
@@PeterGibbonns How is he a fraud lol?
@@PeterGibbonns It's convenient and even tempting to conclude him a fraud - but it also looks like there's something intelligent in his theory, so it's also a bit of a cop out to dismiss it out of hand.
@@danielwalley6554 Nothing he said made sense. He makes up is own words. He’s so bitter about his short comings and hates that he’s mediocre.
Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities.
@@PeterGibbonns "Sorry to offend your delicate sensibilities". I don't think I'm the one offended here. I think you're offended that I said something even remotely in his defense. I'm just being as neutral as I possibly can, because I care about getting to the truth of things. Judging by your reaction, you're not doing the same.
This guy is a bit of a legend or meme in some corners of the internet, this is the first time I've seen him speak and damn he's a fascinating character, and I don't say that lightly. Extremely sharp and interesting mind.
Wow. First time hearing Chris interviewed at this serious level. Most bits on the internet treat him, because of his intellect, almost as an object of curiosity. His ideas of language(s) really struck a chord. I have from the early days of personal intellectual awakening intuitively felt the importance of the precision of language. Great to hear him express his ideas. Curt you keep raising the bar. Congratulation for your channels development as well as your obvious personal growth.
is that you kamala harris?
Language Babylon 😊
John Lennon. Knew
Definitely the best, most in-depth interview with Mr. Langan yet. His enormous depth of understanding and his humanity are both on display here. Nice job!
Langan: CTMU includes everything
Curt: Does it include this?
Langan: Yes
(Repeat)
I think they covered a lot of his thoughts
@@alexeyprofi3951
I agree. But one of the great things about a tautology is that it will be able to handle anything you throw at it. That proves it is a tautology but doesn't mean it's a theory of everything.
I think he's a very smart man and his theory gives us more of an insight into the coupling of brilliance and aggrievance. My hypothesis makes a few predictions regarding how his theory will be seen in the coming centuries.
@@rooruffneck it is theory of everything that is tautological meaning you can't fight it unless you can fight logic
@@alexeyprofi3951
Right, which doesn't mean that his theory is valid. I think he'd even agree with that. It is simply a necessary criterion of a valid theory.
@@rooruffneck okay
This guys intuitive understanding over the power of language and how language is essentially the foundation of existence itself is very profound.
It's a christian idea, as Jordan revived its importance in the current dominance of censoring speech and collectivist lies, we can tell this influence triggered tons of people. The verbal revolution is unstoppable! The understanding symbolically is the (S)-WORD, the logos, cutting reality into two. Truth and lies "separating wheat and chaff". We have fields with their according language whether it's math/physics/psychology that circle around a center that wants to manifests itself. Example: Water can be frozen or boiling (opposites) or the crux (range between mild and warm), the crux which is the optimal center. As taught, that jesus is the logos, the word. He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the ending.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The universe is a codex => It's an attempt to get closer to the foundation! Through the son you get to the father: in following his humble image (son) the universe will reveal itself. (father). Good, bad, light, dark, beauty, ugly. etc - through spirit. (instinct)
Before there was spoken language, in caves the first human made symbolic drawings and combining them with sounds linking them to actions and ideas. We are used to learning spoken language but often forget we always try to describe reality and try to make our descriptions more closer the truth. Truth shall set you free.
All we know are words
Do animals exit? Animals make choices with no language.
I found it interesting that he was mentioning his parents being closely associated with the Beatniks. I wonder if he is aware of William S. Burroughs's writing about his conception of the "language virus" which controls the human mind.
@@frankjamesbonarrigo7162 Animals communicate by body language and their own language we don't understand .
Curt, you ask great questions and I’m hyped you’re gaining traction. You’re the man for the job
I appreciate that!
This is by far the best Langan interview on TH-cam. You're the only guy so far who's smart enough to competently take on this project.
Langan should be front page news and deeply studied across all of academia so that we can use it for the benefit of mankind
@@mesarosshawn2422 unfortunately there is no value in intelligence. I highly recommend you check out a few things that are very similar to his explanation. The hermetic principles, Donald Hofmanns explanation, Alan watts, and the law of one In that order. It's been said time and time again for centuries but only few people see it sadly. I believe religion was created around these concepts too but average people simply can't grasp the concept well enough and end up missing the point.
@@WhoToldYouThis Review that’s one again and find that the higher the IQ the higher the income on a curve. Read that again slowly
Lmao ya I’ve heard him talk many times and always thought he needs someone smart enough to interview him tho and now that finally has happened I don’t understand a thing lol
@@Tyrosine0910 You don't need to be smart. He's not smart, himself. Standardized IQ has been debunked for a long time and it has been proven time and again that people can get better at standardized IQ tests when they do them more than once, something Langan has admitted to doing in other interviews; not to mention, standardized IQ only measures your systematizing abilities, which says nothing of your actual general intelligence because it doesn't mean you'll be able to unserstand things objectively, only that you're good at organizing things, period.
As for his 'theory', All he's saying is that reality is fundamentally language (his idea revolves around naive set theory, which is not a valid framework) and his evidence for it is that we can use language to describe it. This is not only circular reasoning, it's also not a novel claim; you can reduce his assertion further by replacing 'language' with 'logic', as language is a system of logic, and you'd literally have what's called Socratic Idealism (aka Platonism), which also uses circular reasoning. He basically conflates "models" with reality.
Even in the beginning of this interview he admits his 'evidences' are inductively reasoned, meaning they're *induced* , not deduced - this is what's called confirmation bias, by definition. This means the same thing as saying he *assumes* his conclusion and then works backwards, which is literally circular reasoning. It's hokey poke, poppycock, nonsense, pseudoscience, quackery, whichever term you prefer. I literally walked you through a simple refutation, if you don't understand then that's on you
Your introduction discussing the difficulty with credibly navigating new concepts where the constructs and language is also wholly new without a historically established decoding, was masterfully said. Your approach to credibly explain the concept back to the conceiver to their satisfaction is the ultimate show of earnest integrity. I'm a fan.
Thank you sir
2 years later and I’m only seeing this?
Awakening underway. Thank you for this interview!
Right?! If you're looking for anyone else with cool talks, Dr Gene Kim
Langan better explains Eric Weinstein's GU in 30 seconds than Eric has in 3 years.
Lmao true
Underrated comment 😂😂
timestamp?
@@manfrombritain6816 I just reached the part, so here you go 2:45:00.
Yeah, it's like Eric is self-conscious about not being "peer reviewed" or whatever, and over-compensates by speaking in extra-formal, overly-technical language. Like dude, in English. Channel your inner Feynman!
I'll be honest, I was very critical of Chris Langen and his theory before. I didn't read much about his work save for a few words here and there. I found the curiosity to watch this video and see him describe his theory himself. I'm actually more open to it now, and plan to explore it further in the future.
I have never watched a four hour long video in my life. This was well worth it. Please have him back again.
Google algo offered me this exceptional piece .... I saw 4 hours and said to my self - ok I'll watch an hour maybe ... 4 hours later I could not interrupt you both. I did not have the pleasure for knowing mr. Langan, so thank you both for this exceptional knowledge and eye opener ...
If you need more Dr Gene Kim is awesome
@@caitlinjohnny3828 Thank you! I will give him a check! Everything that is Biblical is fine by me!
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I have been waiting 15 years for an interview like this of Christopher. Thank you greatly Curt. Your work is invaluable and greatly appreciated here 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it
do you derive from Seurat?
@@therivergod849 No
Myself as well. What has he done w/his life having such a gift?
what a fraud, anyone but lunatics caught up in a mix between mysticism and science think he's the new messiah.
I am almost speechless... this man reconciles every single hermetic and occult tradition into a left brain road map. I have insane respect for this man. Also, great work on the channel!
As a mostly right -brained person, i strive to understand the left-half....when the day is done, i ,like yourself, respect his articulation of religion, and occultism into a left brain topography.......I am more intuative, but chris's description, and interpretation is fascinating....
Well put
I wasn't expecting this level of profoundly deep insight, have to thank Curt for his open mind and willingness to listen. The tirade against Dawkins was exquisite & well overdue!
@@gazmasonik2411
your last sentence makes me more eager than i already was to listen,
dawkins arrogance makes me forget that all are entitled to their opinions.
There is no left-right brain dichotomy. Please revisit basic sciences before attempting to break into the fringe. Otherwise you lose grounding. Peace. ✌️
Chris Langan needs to start CONDUCTING interviews with people. I would pay good money to watch him drag academics out into the deepest end of their fields and drown them.
And go to alex jones show. Asap
@@marvinbecker388 Bad in terms of publicity, but I think it could be a great discussion. Alex is more educated and smarter than the media portraits him. Watch Alex's interview with Michael Malice and you will see a very different man than what you have in mind. Canceling people that have a different viewpoint from the mainstream is a foolish thing in terms of protecting individuality and also in terms of understanding the world. Even someone as crazy as Alex Jones should have a voice, and I say that as someone that disagrees with him on almost everything.
@@jesterfrombeyond1776 Alex Jones is a showman and people don't understand his character.. Doing a show with Alex Jones wouldn't destroy his credibility with opened minded people, and the sheep already think both have zero credibility.. If you want to get you're message out you go in Joe Rogan on Alex Jones show, not to the legacy media who tried to destroy both and gloriously failed..
Smartest guy from america has gym equipment in the background…❤❤❤
He's not the smartest guy, just has the highest IQ; they are not the same. See his reference to Richard Feynman
What an absolute joy this was to sit through. As a member of the audience, let me tell you CJ, since you are on the stage and unable to see your own work from our perspective, your show DELIVERS.
Thank you so much!
@@TheoriesofEverything You may never see this but your show inspires me CJ. I have told my family about it.
Love this episode. We need this guy back on the podcast again.
Definitely!
Yes.
This is great! Thanks so much! I've been following Langan for over a decade. It always bothered me that he rarely gets interviewed. Once in awhile I search for any new ones which is extremely rare, and then I come across this first thing in the morning. Jackpot!
Thanks for the love and hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well. - Curt
You're on-point; Confirms my own research of the last 20+ years. My apologies for looking over you in the past, I'll make it a point to familiarize myself with the language of your CTMU. And thank you kindly.
berserk and CTMU enjoyer
Kurt, you're an absolute gigachad, I just wanted you to know that. Thanks for never dumbing it down.
I'll take that as a compliment.
Kurt I've never been called a Gigachad, you're a lucky man!
Dude you rock! There can't be many out there who can manage a 4 hour+ interview with Langan and keep both him and us occupied. Look proudly at yourself in the mirror my man.
Easiest way to explain the CTMU:
What is it? Axiomatic explanation of How cognition/consciousness self created which projects spacetime within itself.
Nothingness is impossible because of potential. The substrate of reality is logic/syntax. Paradox gives logic it’s utility.
Syntax allows for self referential logic. Self reference gives rise to cognition/consciousness. If anything self reference is consciousness.
Spacetime emerges from this cognition to give itself utility and experience itself not as a whole. Much like how Donald hoffman explains consciousness is wearing a VR headset.
Nice summary, just curious if you read the full CTMU?
Man it just bugs me so much. Maybe I'm stupid ( most likely ) but it all seems like well its there to make itself therefore it has to be there to make itself.
@@chrisjudge-wm9hs you're on the money.
This was the best interview i have watched for a long time.
LOVED.
Has he write any book on this?!
if yes, can you point the way please?!
"Danger zoner" that know my limitations here, so I appreciate this mind-giant patiently explaining his thoughts, and to you for bringing him to our attention.
Chris is inspirational and seems like a likable guy.
I'd recommend putting this up as several smaller topic isolated videos with catchy titles as well, but thanks for the timestamps.
Best Langan interview I've ever seen, thanks to Curt and Chris.
Thank you
Nothing comes close! It was so good. Probably seeing it for a third time soon lol. Doing it on 1.5 speed. Makes you think faster. So much dense information.
Been waiting for someone to do an in-depth interview with Langan about the CTMU for a LONG time. Great work, this is an important interview.
Thank you so much
I suppose it took awhile before an interviewer actually smart enough to have a good conversation about it stepped up lol
One of the most comprehensive and complete theories of everything I have ever come across. Chris Langan is a mental powerhouse.
10:58 "this logical induction thing" (uh, you mean math?) "is a more precise process. A more general process". (Uh, what?).
@@CharFred-vr1ti exactly. The guy is just throwing out word salad. If you actually listen to his arguments, they're not only circular arguments but also he says a lot of stuff that contradicts other things he says. He just has a large vocabulary so average people think he's smart or talking about stuff that is beyond their grasp. As someone with a huge vocabulary myself, I understood him fine and know he's full of sh lol
I always assumed this guy was just really good at taking IQ tests, so I never looked into anything he had to say. I had no idea he was an actual genius with deep, creative, generative, and fascinating insights. I ordered his book half way through the interview, can't wait to dive in as deeply as I'm capable of. Loving this podcast!
Wonderful!
And he said the election was stolen : ) A dumb person could see that too if they wanted to
@@scienceisall2632 humans are fallible.
I put this on as background noise at work. It's great to hear people talking without understanding a thing so I can focus on work.
Much respect to both of these guys for solving stuff my brain would never allow me to.
Imagine if your subconscious mind begins to understand the universe without you realizing
Actually, if you’re already a Christian, this will just make you more of it. It’s all brainwashing. Much love
Man, I have to tell you my experience, maybe it helps others here - The first 3-4 times I listened to this episode I barely understood a sentence of it really (Msc mechanical engineer btw), but I had a feeling Chris has done it, in terms of TOEs, so I didn't give up. These past 2 years, I listened to probably hundreds of podcasts on toe and other channels regarding physics, metaphysics, religion, phylosophy, toes etc and always after I got new insights I would go back to this episode and find out I understand it more and more each time! And today, after dozens more toe podcasts, lectures, books, I am listening to this episode again and for the first time I think I fully understand everything he says !!! And not just that, now I am starting to see that he is 100% right in terms of CTMU coherently explaining and expanding upon Bernardo Castrup's, Wolfgang Smith's, Don Hogffman's, Eric Weinstein's and many other toes!
Great story! I also don't fully understand him but somehow I intuitively feel that he has the right concept! Maybe because I also read a lot of Carl Jung and his ideas definitely have some similarities.
You aren't understanding. You're slowly falling for the BS.
@@andybaldman If in contrast, your comment is supposed to be smart and opposite of BS, than I prefer to fall for said BS. :D
@@BorisPohulek Sounds about right.
@@andybaldman haha. Your ego is showing.
This was absolutely marvelous, and I really appreciate the effort you put into researching the theories of Mr Langan before the interview. I don't typically do 4-hour interviews, but this one flew by. Much respect, sir.
Langan has such wonderful energy. That might sound woo-woo, but I love listening to his thoughts. He's so succinct, so articulate
Damn i am glad he talked about IQ not encapsulating the complete story to what intelligence truly is! Glad that i had to hear it since one tends to doubt themselves in terms of cognitive capabilities even though the ability to think in a certain way about a certain topic doesnt equate to the ability to gain insights in other topics.
That was really motivating!
IQ is like capacity and ability. It is not an outcome.
@@VenturiLife And even that is a small sliver, see Howard Gardner’s Theory of Multiple Intelligences. Not sure if Gardner's latest work points out that intelligence is modal and interactive. No one would deny Lebron James applying for the job of basketball player so IQ, at best, is relational as well as environmental.
The proposed Langan and Weinstein interview actually might be a really good idea.
I'd love to see a discussion between Kastrup and Langan! Both are true intellectual pioneers that I highly respect.
The fact that you had Chris Langan on is impressive. I wish you could get some debates going between some of these other TOE guys and him. That would be very eye-opening no matter how it went.
Chris has a lot of visible resentment towards the people who have mistreated him over the years and seems to default to defensiveness when disagreed with. When you get trolled enough times, you start to see trolls everywhere. I think it may be better to just let him speak and treat him kindly. I wouldn’t want to put him in a room with anybody arrogant, I don’t think it’ll go well for them, and I would rather hear what he has to say than watch a battle of the wits.
Curt plz get Chris on again!
i didnt understand much but i sat all the way through, I enjoyed every minute of it. love you curt
This guy probably has double my IQ but his CTMU validates a lot of conclusions I've come to, which is a pretty nice feeling!
Wow, thats awesome! What are some of those conclusions?
Um... unless he's in that "danger zone phenomenon" himself, ha!
@@yitzhakgoldberg2404 He's not a narcissist. The people he's referring to are not on his level, Chris just has the challenger personality type, but he's not malevolent the way "danger zone" people can be.
@@starxcrossed I've seen his nasty side to others on his FB page, don't tell me someone can't be nasty.
@@yitzhakgoldberg2404 He has the same personality type as Donald Trump, a very much hated person, so I'm not surprised. But that doesn't mean he's wrong.
This man is not only fascinating, he is so authentically himself and BS free it is impossible not to love him and be inspired by his energy. God bless Chris Lanagan!!
No it's very possible not to love him or like you and your disgusting drink.
Very true. A lot of intellectuals try to manufacture there personalities to seem smart and hold back on there thoughts and pick and choose what they say to a huge degree. Chris says what he wants regardless of the audience and he still comes out extremely intelligent.
Stupid beliver scumbag.
How the Fu#k can you take someone seriously, who believes in a 'Sky Daddy' ??
@@kevincasson9848 That is such a stupid comment.
Hyperexcited for this Curt! Finally, a place where this meme "My goals are beyond your understanding" can lay to rest for me.
Just about to start the interview and looking forward to it. I noticed we have the same dishwasher, it's the best one I've ever had.
Great interview! I'm now reading his CTMU and wow!!!! I can't help smiling when a piece clicks.
Langan is giving me so much language.
Language for things I've known but couldnt say and language for many things I have never imagined.
I can feel the shift in my gestalt happening today and I am so thrilled, even relieved about it.
Chris if you read this, thank you for re-enchanting a part of my soul.
Curt, friend. Thank you as always. You're bringing light to the world.
With love,
Matthew
Never underestimate anybody. For all you know, the bouncer of the next club you will randomly go to might be one of the smartest guys on planet earth. This shows in my view how assumptions may perhaps be the hardest hurdle to overcome when undertaking any kind of speculative endeavour. Cheers!
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Using fancy words purposely, to try and be perceived as intelligent, doesn't actually work when being perceived by actually intelligent people. Listening to a person speak for even 10 seconds, can tell you how incredibly unintelligent someone is. The only thing not to underestimate about someone, is the sheer amount of stupidity that one is capable of. Take the "plandemic" for example, and all the low intelligence people that wore masks on their faces and even got injected with a bio-weapon, without doing any real research...That is a level of stupidity that is truly astounding.
I think I'll look back on this episode and realize it changed my life. Thanks, Chris, for precisely defining the undefinable. And thanks you, Curt, for giving him a platform like yours and a line of questioning that has brought me to the brink of understanding this reality and beyond. Unrelated note: have I lost my mind or is there this minutely distinguishable echo between the two of them that makes it seem like there's an underlying "audience buzz?"
I’m hearing his theory for the first time and clearly I’ll need to really read up on it first to really understand and appreciate what he’s saying. However, one of the gifts of Einstein was using thought experiments to make his theory easier to understand (ex. man in a falling elevator, two men perceiving lightning strikes on moving trains, etc.) It would be helpful if Chris (or someone else) could come up with a few thought experiments to better understand Langan’s theory.
His theory is a theory of thought experiments and what thought experiments are in a way. Fundamentally they are logically derived observations of reality (deduced from the mind and not necessarily reality). What these thought experiments have in common is that they use pure thought (a philosophical process) to derive a general understanding of observations. The syntactic structure derived from the mind is coupled to the syntactic structure of reality in this way. They cannot be separated because reality is only reality because there are observers with a conscious.
@@parker9163 , I agree with much of your statement. But it is the limitations of the human mind that roadblocks progress in all fields of science. AIL is currently attaining novel material, biopharmaceutical, and many other scientific breakthroughs!
This us easily one of my favorite interviews, never heard of chris until today but everything he says aligns perfectly with my own personal journey and observations and conclusions on the nature of reality and its structure, my "awakening" happened a year and a half ago and has been a constant journey of me asking questions and opening myself up to the answers reality has constantly been presenting to me. Logical induction is so spot on. Thats been the tool the has provided me the utmost utility through this journey of introspection and expansion. Much love for this beautiful collaboration ❤️❤️🔥🔥
Logic is God and God must be Logic.
Theos en ho Logos.
God is the Logic of the Universe.
God is in the Word (Language).
Please do more with this brilliant man, I think he's immensely underrated and allowing his voice to be heard on a platform like this is invaluable!
He's a con. .....and when people disagree he and his mindless horde likes to bully and browbeat lmao
Lol He is joe.rogan material guest
Agree. I feel strangely science lately is being held by the cools guys in a “cigar club” like they purposely are being stagnant. I almost think discoveries were made that would shatter our reality so they are stonewalling society.
@@michael-bellshut yp
@@cesarsaldana970 Are you good at making friends? I want to find an expert friend maker that works for free. Thank 🫂 you!
I feel like I just gained an IQ point by listening to this interview. Now I have two!
Chris Langan is too real to not be cancelled. How fitting that he studies reality
if you go against the kindergarten cultists that is academia expect them to never ever forget it. you need to believe the cult. AGW, orange man is the devil, you better be an atheist, etc etc
Smartest guy in America gets banned from social media for wrong think, says a lot about social media...
You hit the nail on the head. Wow! Scary, sad, and worrisome.
thats kinda clever of chris because hes implying "we all participate in reality, shouldn't we all study it?"
@Gundyr 12 idk if cutting it out is necessarily bad, maybe he wanted the video to not be banned by youtube while still getting the point across.
Kurt, you probably won’t see this because it’s a rather old interview but u have to put it out there. Besides the fact that this is once again a fantastic interview and that you are really doing gods work here - metaphorically and perhaps literally. I really see a lot of myself in you, primarily your deep drive for understanding but with a visceral humility, openness and honesty that you just don’t see a lot. You are not perfect, you know that but you admit that. You enable us to learn with you and we see you grow with us. Great work man. Peace and love.
I read this. Thank you so much man I appreciate that
@@TheoriesofEverything Hey Curt!
is this one of Chris's accounts on youtube? This person is chatting with me in the comment section.
"@RealChrisLangan"
@@TheoriesofEverything The guy in video is wrong there is no Hell. God does not cut off, or punish God. Like he said, your highest identity is God. We return to God upon death, there is no Hell to go to. Only God truly exists, reality is mental. The physical comes from the the mental. All is mind, Gods mind. My information comes direct from God, I went into the light and I knew everything. There is nothing that is not God, including you.
I like that guy, super intelligent but not an absolute narcissist about it, honest to himself and an amazing sense of humor.
If you think he’s not a narcissist my god, you have got some reading/watching to do.
He may not be narcissistic but he’s definitely got an ego on him that most people don’t have
@@therainman7777 I've watched alot about Langan since I've found out about him. Yes, he speaks alot about his intelligence but theres a difference between being actually narcissistic and just knowing you are smarter than the average person. He is not being an insufferable bastard about it. Just stating facts. Hard not too offend people who are low IQ and also insecure about it.
@@pro-socialsociopath769 Tbh I wonder how hard it's not to develop somekind of ego when pretty much majority of people have IQ that's closer to apes than this guy. Then again you must be lonely as fuck.
@@therainman7777 narcissists don't love alone in the woods lifting weights and farming lol. That's not how it works
I appreciate the hard work you went through to prepare the interview
My god! So I'm not nearly half way into this video, but this is the enshrouded conversation I have been waiting to hear. I have been consuming info and interviews as if searching unbeknownst to me. It felt like it all is nothing but reruns. I just didn't recognize my frustration exactly. I'm not a genius but I'm totally getting what this man is saying. It's like the perfect translation guide to a background program that has been going on in my brain. I didn't understand the very language and equations the program is using that now seem so obvious. It's astounding. It set my mind spinning around the possible fractals this can extrapolate out as and converge into. It really helps guide the peices of my personal puzzle of the universe in my mind. Well done with this video and thank you. I can't explain how enlightening and almost cathartic it is for me. I'll be looking for more. All love.
After reading an introductory CTMU wiki-page and watching this for a second time, I'm absolutely floored with its elegance. I'm still learning some terminology, but Langan articulates my intuited philosophy so succinctly, and provides an incredible epistemology (logical induction/ logic of experience) which expands so nicely on what I've learned from Jordan Peterson and like minds. The intellectual rigor as well as the intimate humanity on display is a real blessing. God is good. Thank you so much.
The CTMU is truly amazing. Spread the word!
Yes, I must look into the CMTU myself, as most of what he is saying from what I can comprehend is very intuitive and grounded in logic/common sense. He also doesn't just denounce God, but rather realizes him as an essential apparatus of our reality in our identity as a collective. This is key. I think God is too GOOD of an "idea" to forget about, as our modern atheists would have us do.
Hey Curt, thank you for all the work you put into this episode and ones like it. I look forward to walking plum off the ledge into this rabbit hole. Also, thank you for actually acknowledging how hard it is to do the work not as a brag but as a strategy, and how you really have to swing the pick to get through dense material like this. YT is flooded with far too many 'xyz in 5-10 minutes" videos, so to take the time to figure out optimal questions and talk elaborate with the man himself is greatly appreciated. We cannot elaborate with Jung, Dirac, and many others who are long gone so these types of videos are invaluable.
Thank you! What a great interview! As someone who has gone down the rabbit hole of past lives, consciousness, quantum mechanics, near death experiences, reality as a sim, holographic universe, supernatural phenomenon and UAPs, this 4 hour interview never had a dull moment. The way he explained time as a way of processing procedural code and if we stand outside of time we see the code in its entirety is super elegant to me as I am a coder. Love this channel!
I didn't take him seriously prior because I didn't know if this channel and the ones I saw didn't get into the depths. I digress.
I just discovered this and I fully agree. I similarly have gone down each route as well. I'd like to consider myself smaht with an autistic memory and pretty high pattern recognition skill. But this guy actually got all of the details correct (things that were seen, heard, recalled and not opinionated)
I was pretty impressed. I'll have to dive a bit deeper into his theory.
This video should be the most viewed ever on TH-cam
Noo way! Justin bieber will always be more on the level of the masseals
69 years old...!..
You look excellent, we are all lucky to have such a Wise man talk for us...!..
I have to say this man looks pretty young for someone born 1952. He looks easily 10+ ys younger.
Else, I am at 130+ IQ but can't follow at all during large parts of the interview. Until this point, reading Nietzsche was the hardest thing I found. But this... is on a hole different level.
You know this guy is a different kind of smart (in a good way), when he is conducting interviews in his barn in front of his squat rack! Love it!
Finnally somebody is so brave to fight the bear in his den and ask what is the meaning of each term directly and clearly without fear that he looks ignorant. Would be interesting a trialog with Bernardo Kastrup. This is indeed a very well elaborate and long enough interview compared with the very superficial ones we have seen so far. This man has something to say and you help people to understand his message and I hope the interview will be a corkscrew to open the minds to new way of thinking.Kudos!
He’s lame. Blames other ppl for his shortcomings and fear of succeeding.
I feel this man will be properly understood and appreciated 100-300 years from now on a larger scale.
He's definitely ahead of his time. But humanity needs an accelerated understanding of his ideas.
10-15 years
understood him….we are a minority
No. This will never be understood other than as further concepts inside the brain and therefor projected out as reality itself, since infinity is unlimited and finity is not.
You are per definition _busy being human trying to understand God_ at the moment, instead of _being God._
God is nothing to be _learned_ (unless that's what God wants to do) but to, eventually, be experienced. God is *always* _whatever is,_ which originates out of infinite love - which "allows" every single possible "ego-part" of itself into existence.
In other words: no single piece of God can understand the totality of God. Other than in limitations such as language. Which isn't everything that God is.
@@MizukiNorito If you’re saying that a being like a human cannot understand god or even come close ,,,then yes you’re right…due to massive differences between the complexities of human brain and the universe,,,,but understand this guy’s theory is possible, though hard.
In other words: Gods presence can at-least be acknowledged if not understood .
I listened to the whole 4 hours in one sitting, wow! I also wonder what is that background noise, like people whispering, it was really strange. Am I the only one who could hear the whispering of conversations going on on top of these two talking? It was very insightful, thank you for taking the time to ask such meaningful questions.
Thank you so much Elisabeth. Those sounds were from the denoising process. - Curt
@@TheoriesofEverything Thank you for your response! I was starting to think that I tapped into a 5th, 6th dimension recording on top of this recording, haha. thanks for clarifying.
In the last 5 minutes of the conversation, what he is describing is exactly what led me to this interview. I just had a gut reaction to click- was I surprised indeed. I had never heard of Chris Langan, and he explains WHY I haven't heard of him. Boy am I glad I clicked.
I'm so glad you clicked, and that you watched for 4 hours.
Thank you for your wonderful work sir. I've been waiting for someone intelligent, curious, and open minded to interview Chris for a long time. I'm also glad I found your channel, I have a lot of videos to catch up with.
Thanks for the love and hopefully you enjoy some of the other podcasts on the channel as well. - Curt
what is love ? "When things combine in a non terminal domain via inter expansion, when they overlie each other, they are merging, their identities, that’s what love is, its a combination that enhances the self actualization, the self expression of the combine entity, its synergistic, and its more than the sum of its parts! " Chris Langan
I wanted to make a comment but thought by doing so it would be suggesting I'm intelligent enough to join the debate. But I know I'm not intellectual enough and I'm not sure why I find it so fascinating. Does anyone else feel like that?
Mind you, if these two gentlemen popped in for a cup of tea, I'd love to get their feedback on some questions.
One would be: Why do we need a TOE? Another that is linked to it might be: If there is a God and he has a purpose for us, would it be more beneficial to focus our thinking on that?
Or have I missed the point and that's what this is all about?
My feeling (or it could be my worldview) is that the truth of the matter, or TOE, may be far too simple to satisfy some of us. But then, simplicity can be beautiful, can't it?
There I go! I've made a comment! Not sure why. Ego? Yes, probably. It's good to communicate. But in the comments section under a video is probably not the ideal way. Apologies!
*OH.* *MY.* *GOD.*
I was going to ask for when you were about to release this, woke up at 6am (Athens time), and saw this!
you can't imagine my excitement upon noticing the 4 HOUR MARK!
yes exactly I was like AHAHAHAHAHA YES YES YES
Instead of CRT, schools should teach the CTMU.
maybe transactional analysis
This was absolutely mind blowing. Thanks for doing this project Curt and for being so serious about it.
A few things came to mind as I listened.
First, I wondered if Chris had anything to say about prion disease. His definition of evil certainly applies to those.
His comparative analysis of Buddha and Jesus Christ made me smile and reminded me that Francesco of Assisi AKA Giovanni Bernardone was a rich man's son who had the courage of his convictions and wasn't afraid to speak about God.
I loved your introduction - you have a great perspective on things, which is multiple! That's a rare quality, but it's growing in practice these days!
Cheers!
Is it just me, or are Curts podcasts becoming increasingly importanter?
@@karlgimmedatforfreemarx **importanter
@@karlgimmedatforfreemarx English is coo coo!
@@SarahDale111 Surely, the most importantist podcasterer around.
@@kelsto811 Or perhaps everything else is becoming shorter. 🤔
@@kelsto811 Sorry to pull you up on you're grammer, but surely you mean longerer?
Thank you for all that you do, Curt. You are the man.
I am undergoing a second viewing of this after the Langan/Kastrup theolocution (which was excellent). In that discourse there were some points of seeming contention between the ideas of the two that it seems may have been avoided had the abstruse language that Langan employs in his CTMU not have made his points less than conspicuous at times. I hope that Kastrup has and takes the time to familiarize himself with Langan's terminology and that the pair participate in another discussion, should that be of interest for all involved parties. While initially Langan's verbiage may seem superfluous, obfuscating, or even supercilious, he is meticulously precise in his descriptions and often some of the meta-properties of his thoughts are lost in communication due to the aforementioned and one's lack of familiarity with his ideas. I absolutely love how Langan's mind works and how he seeks to address the fundaments of reality through a lens of logic. I will most definitely be delving deeply into his works over the next few years.
Thank you so much, Curt; your channel is really in a league of its own when it comes to promulgating the ideas of some of the greatest thinkers of our time. Kudos!
Did you use a thesaurus to write this? Ease up on the pretentious writing my dude
Where has this guy been all this time? He is stunningly brilliant if somewhat feisty but I hope to see much more of him in the days to come.
He wasn't part of the academia established club. Its a form of control, a monopoly.
He isn't mainstream because he doesn't go along with mainstream thinking. He has conservative values and is considers the current liberals to be demonic. That doesn't go over well with getting popular acceptance because he doesn't compromise the truth.
He isn’t mainstream because he has a terrible ego complex, argues like a child for months at a time in comments threads, uses mystifying and imprecise jargon and just plain doesn’t have any testable ideas of real value.
He lives 20 miles from me
@@therainman7777 don't rain on his parade
I admire the way he uplifts our Creator of all existence, without any regards for cultural religious beliefs or backgrounds but from a very intelligent standpoint and even mathematical (universal language) which gives evidence sufficient to establish Truth and produce belief that Love or GOD is ultimately needed for eternal existence in a perfect Uni-verse!
Can't wait for you to have him back. Perfect guest for this channel.
You sir, are the intelligent man's Joe Rogan! I myself am a high IQ autodidact. 37 years old, and I've just been diagnosed with autism... I've been an information junkie my entire life. I don't function well, in a classroom setting, but if I watch lectures online, and am allowed to only research, what I want to research, I retain all of it. 3 cheers for the autodidacts of the world!
Thank you!
I'm an autodick
I feel you, the classroom setting isn't fit for critical thinkers. The autism label doesn't mean anything imo. They have been labeling autodidacts and introverts as autistic for years now. It is just a label that says you don't fit in a generalist system that doesn't even work for the generalists. Just my opinion though.
@@lievenyperman9363 May I please hear more of your opinions on this topic? Or possibly some advice for people who feel/think similarly to this?
@@62serpens Sure, I just think we are currently wasting potential by stigmatizing autism as a disorder. Given the stellar rise in numbers of autistic people, it is clear that we are finding out that it is quite normal to be autistic. Either people are becoming autistic now or we are discovering that autism is not a rare condition but a relatively common human trait. Either way, it is clear that the traditional educational system is not fit to nurture the potential of people with autism. The stigma connected to autism is that autistic people have a learning or attention disorder because they don’t do well in the conventional education system dynamic. Rather than being skeptical of the system, we call into question the normalcy of how all these people’s learning and attention mechanisms work. Learning and paying attention is hard to standardize but it is also the wrong way to go. Today a lot of people with autism are being medicated with Ritalin etc, to conform them to the average student. That is where we leave so much potential on the table. Many people with autism are extremely capable of learning and paying attention when they have more control over the setting. What we call a disorder is actually a specific kind of attention or focus imo. When the mind is extremely focused on one subject it is counterproductive to force its attention elsewhere. Exceptional discoveries are made by people who pay exceptional attention. Also, we are telling young autistic kids that they are in the wrong when they can’t sit still for hours like it is normal to expect a young child to do that. A kid with more energy than an “average” kid, has to channel more energy so it should be obvious they need a different daily routine. It is hard to talk about this in a concise manner and also I am not a native English speaker so it’s also hard for me to find the right words. I don’t think I have the solutions to this at all and I understand that it is very hard to have a fine-tuned educational system but I think it is clear we are wasting enormous potential and we are telling exceptional people they need to be “normal”. And if autism is idd a common human trait then it is a norm and the system should be tailored to it, not the kids tailored to the system.
You absolutely know someone's got it when numerous other models from all over the spectrum actually align throughout history. His definition of evil for example is congruent with ancient iconographic representations and the same as we experience it.
Evil is totally uncoordinated and unnatural, there's no cause and effect. Its likened to chaotic water. It's also likened to time without space. ( _Imagine being stuck in time with no control or action/reaction_ ) Its anti-existence, and can only be understood as a mockery or total offense of what we understand to be good. (Good just meaning life/fully existent)
He's a genius not simply for formulating the model, but translating it into a language understood by others. That's so difficult, like 4 levels of translation if not more
Evil is not uncoordinated. It's runs just as it's supposed to. It's not a chaotic water but a ripple effect that causes a chain reaction through out the universe. Evil is a necessity in order to give definition to good.
He’s the teacher I never had. Even though I was never that interested in physics. Maybe I should read his stuff, see if it makes sense. Because right now, largely thanks to interviews, I’m becoming more and more interested. Thanks.
I didn't expect much from this, but I liked so much this interview.
chris had a very genuine perspective, we feel his passion through the screen.