The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ? Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS. So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
Like Adam bobrow said anyone who doesn’t think ma long is the goat after his second gold medal is being emotional and that’s ok but just know the truth isn’t your feelings little bro
@@Callmethedrink7 Being the best of all time or the greatest of all time is not the same thing. Ma long is the clear best player of all time however, the greatest is not really the same thing. For example, Waldner won wc without losing a single set. Ma Long did not but he won wc back to back to back. Waldner is prob the most entertaining player to watch of all time hence he is so popular. Waldner has def the most talent and feeling of any player ever however Ma Long is the most efficient player and has efficient playstyle ever and prob a hard worker. For me Waldner stands out more since he is non Chinese so for me he is the gratest player, I do think Ma Long is the best of all time tho(my fav player of all time).
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ? Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS. So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ? Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS. So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
He is the GOAT. I dont see Ma Long even coming close to his ball control, versatility, placement, etc. He has all the shots in the game. Attack, defense, counter, you name it, Waldner could do it all. THE GOAT! He is the Mozart of Table Tennis!
Ma Long is not going to cut it against Ma Lin, let alone the GOAT Waldner. I agree 100%. Waldner is undoubtedly the GOAT. You can actually see the intellectual brilliance in his shots, whereas the Chinese are one step behind in this area, imo. We need more Waldners in tt.
@@Trollet532who cares? at his peak he was the absolute best player in the world and he beat all the Chinese players like no one before and no one after...
It was his excellent placements and especially his ablity to shoot the ball down the line even from the most difficult spinds and speeds that made him the greatest at the time
Liu Guolang, the chinese table tennis legend as player and coach, once said that he concerns about the popularity of table tennis more than the results of matches. Heavyweight balls are luring stupid stuff in table tennis. They make table tennis become bored with very few touches in every balls series, and with more offgame time, less long rallies, less visual athletic skills shows. Simple reason : heavyweight balls fly too lightening fast, and players can not succeed to react to apply techniques. (All heavyweight objects like stones and heavyweight balls can fly lightening fast in air, but lightweight objects as small lightweight paper box can not fly fast in air due to effectively air resistence). The less touches in every ball series, the less ongame time, the more offgame time, and players lose more their time for offgame time to go to pick up balls. HEAVYWEIGHT BALLS MAKE TABLE TENNIS MANUFACTURER AND PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS TO BE POORER AND POORER, because heavyweight balls make table tennis extremely difficult to play amateur social games for new beginners. Thus majority of new beginners leave away from table tennis, and there be very few new beginners still keep playing table tennis (extremely difficult to play game for beginners). It requires few weeks of training for new beginners to reach minimal amateur levels to play amateur social games in other sport, for example in badminton, billards, .. . BUT IT REQUIRES FEW YEARS OF TRAINING FOR NEW BEGINNERS TO REACH MINIMAL AMATEUR LEVEL TO PLAY AMATEUR SOCIAL TABLE TENNIS GAMES. It is very stupid big time training requirement for beginners in table tennis, thus majority of new beinners just leave table tennis. I personally see much many real life cases today : private commercial table tennis club halls are revamped to become badminton club halls, because table tennis is extreme difficult to attract enough number of new beginners to get profit for running commercial table tennis clubs as commercial social sport services. If the commercial private table tennis halls have high ceils, then their owners often cancel table tennis club services to convert halls into commercial badminton club or other sport services halls to get profit, because there are very few new amateur table tennis players. The reason of stiff difficulty of table tennis for new beginners : heavyweight balls make table tennis to be extremely difficult for new beginners : they fly extremely lightening fast in air, and they are difficult to control for beginners. Lightweight balls make table tennis become extreme easier for new beginners : they fly slower in air, they are easier to control for beginners. With lightweight balls, every ball series will have more touches in average. Thus table tennis matches will have more ongame time and less offgame times, thus players have more ongame time. It is valuable ! Because amateur players pay their time to play table tennis matches for health and social fun/communication, thus the more offgame time, the more waste time for players ! Everyone can try lightweight balls, for example 2gr balls, to feel how extremely more easily to play table tennis for new beginners. The next balls of table tennis must be lightweight balls, for example, 2-2.5gr balls instead of the current 2.7gr balls. The result of lightweight balls will be staggering : there will be more billion new beginners come and keep playing table tennis with new lightweight balls of 2gr, because lightweight balls do not require stupid enormous few years of training to reach minimal amateur level to play amateur social table tennis game, but require only few weeks of training enough to play amateur social table tennis games. Of course, it leads to increadible big scale business of table tennis equipment manufacturers, it leads to increadible big number of table tennis audience of professional tournaments . Because new billion beginners will play and keep playing the easier version of table tennis with lightweight balls 2-2.5gram, but not the current stupid extreme difficult version of table tennis with heavyweight balls 2.7gram, thus they known playing table tennis as amateur players and once they known playing then they will have interest to watch table tennis tournaments. They will be billion one, once lightweight balls 2-2.5gram are applied in table
Waldner is just incredible to watch, he shows that the game is mostly about how you apply your mind to it. Because when you do, you've got the feel, the control, the focus and the consistency.
People need to understand how good he was.. I saw him during a training camp in my school before beating Team China for the 1st time.. What a Legend !!
06:34 - Imagine hitting your opponent with that kind of shots and he doesn’t take a step back from the table! That sequence portraits Waldners greatness.
Genau! Was interessant ist, der Tennis Spieler John McEnroe sah immer so aus, als würde er wie ein Tischtennisspieler spielen. Waldner dagegen wirkt fast schon wie ein Tennis Spieler
Other players run to the ball with tremendeous speed, bending and stretching their bodies in impossible ways to be able to reach it. Waldner already stands where the ball will come. One of the greatest brains in the history of sports.
However, Jan-Ove Waldner is the ambassador of table tennis. The GOAT in the early stage of table tennis. Waldner is the greatest player at the placement of the ball and one of the greatest servers in the game.
How can he be an ambassador when nobody today cares about him. He was a good player but definitely not the GOAT. Ma Long surpassed him and deserved to be the GOAT. And Waldner was lucky to play in an era where Chinese table tennis system was in a self discovery phase
Jag vet inte om folk har börjat glömma HUR fantastisk han var i sin krafts dagar, men här kan man se det klart och tydligt. Jag anser att det hade räckt lång även idag....
Waldner plays table tennis like a chess master, creating angles and playing shots that constantly make his opponent uncomfortable and cramped for room.
Waldner in his prime and in form was pretty much unplayable. Waldner is the goat with the old ball. Ma Long is the goat with the new ball. Tabletennis was funnier with the old ball. Could switch up the game and Waldner was the master at it. Nowadays it's all about who is the best robot.
Agree with every word of that, but for me Waldner was in a different class to even Ma Long. He could do things with the ball that no other player could do.
@@RalphHund It definitely cannot be denied. I am always amused when I read people saying "Oh, Ma Long would easily have beaten Waldner if they had played each other when they were both in their prime." This is complete nonsense. The great Swede was a clever player, and knew exactly how to 'shut down' opponents. The fact is, Ma Long never played anyone even remotely close to Waldner in terms of what they could do with the ball. He just wouldn't have allowed him to play his own game. (none of this is any disrespect to Ma Long. Waldner would have done exactly the same to Wang Liqin, who I also admire for his forehand and athleticism)
I really don't know if you watch much of current table this with that opinion. It feels like to me the often misplaced nastalgia people do with everything "it was better in the old days" when often times it wasn't. Don't get me wrong. There were cool things about the old days and the 38mm ball celluoid era. But lets not pretend there were not bad things too. So the ball was smaller and celluloid. The pace of a smashed ball was flat out faster. So points were over sooner. Less rallies. That's why short pips was so popular for a while. Smash it and the ball was basically unreturnable. Longer rallies make all the highlights and what people find fun to watch in the game. It's better now in that regard. Furthermore, my goodness go back and watch some old pros playing back in the day when you could dangle your arm out there essentially hiding the ball on the serve every bit of the way. How many aces did Waldner, and many other pros, get right off the serve because the placement & spin simply could not be seen? Serve, error, point over. Serve, error, point over. Not saying it was like that every time but it for sure was a higher % than now. That's bad viewership table tennis. Now players today still try to push it to the limit and hide the ball as much as they can within the rules but it's nothing like the old days. Lastly the change to 11 vs 21 was a good one making each game much closer vs a race to 21 where someone is up X number of points and you know who will win but we have to wait it out because the games were longer.
@@Not_Z-vastik_Stop_Putinismтак дети рассуждают, ну поменялся нт, но если бы он был молод сейчас,то соответствовал бы времени плюс его одарённость. Кстати, сейчас теннис скучнее по мне , быстрый мощный прямолинейный, но нет драмы и такого разнообразия как при Валднере. А те кто сейчас тренеры , в свое время даже лучше теннис показывали,чем их мощные и быстрые подопечные, и думаю ,даже с тем теннисом обыграли бы многих современных спортсменов.
At his best, no one in the history of TT could beat him. Not even the Chinese robot Ma Long. Although Ma Long was extremely good at his prime, he's stepping down around 18 years before J-O.
Waldner beats all the top chinese players with ease, and that means the best players in the world. But he usually have a hard time against any other countries players. It's a little weird And as a footnote, China have more active table tennis players than Swedens entire population
The Chinese play a way more physical game. It’s why they are at their peak for maybe 5 years. A story I heard. Waldner was playing a Chinese guy in the Olympics, he came up to him and said my coach said he played against you before. He said I played against your coaches coach. That’s why the Chinese call him evergreen. He played in the Olympics when he was 38 I believe and lost in the bronze metal match. At 38, he’s roughly 12 years passed the Chinese players prime.
The secret of Ove is 1.0 ultra tacky and soft rubber/sponge combo with an ultra fast carbon blade. Not the thickest speediest/tackiest rubber sponge combo He used while training all the thousands of hours that it takes to master One's off/def strokes thru the years. Need proof, listen to His forehand/backhand blocks. The opponents ball is hitting wood, which wouldn't happen with thick hard rubber/sponge combos. Stick to the thin tacky rubber/sponge combos front and backsides of bade in a match always, no matter who You play. The carbon blade will take care of speed and distance. Everything else comes from prior competitions. Ps. Notice taking chances are not a part of His game, defense is His best offense. Keep crushing that eggshell, young ppl . Ove is the best ever.
I wonder if some persons think faster and experience everything in slow motion. Like a fly experiences a hand moving towards it. Waldner, Ibrahimovic, Messi.
@@magnusk5860 They have just trained their brain to think in their sport. All patterns are identified by ease because they have allready seen it a thousand times. I bet they are also very relaxed in the pressure situations and are able to connect with the flow state easily, simply because they have been in this feedback loop of getting positive confirmation for many years from performing in their sport and the confidence that this produces
Je ne l'ai vu jouer en live qu'une seule fois , c'était fa-bu-leux (il valait mieux être joueur soi-même pour apprécier pleinement, c'est tellement difficile !)
Da sieht man mal wie gut die Weltspitze, inklusive Waldner und Boll mit den alten 38 mm Bällen waren. Mit den 40 mm Bällen spielen dieselben Leute nur noch auf damaligem Landes- oder Verbandsliganiveau, da die Bälle einfach kein schönes Spiel mehr zulassen. Manche wie Boll mischen immer noch in der Weltspitze mit, aber das Niveau ist mit diesen Bällen einfach grottenschlecht. Macht einfach keinen Spaß mehr. Habe deswegen auch aufgehört, wie viele andere auch. Dieser Sport war einmal schön, aber das haben Funktionäre kaputt gemacht. Gucke ich mir nicht einmal mehr an. Sieht für mich selbst bei einer WM nur noch so aus als wenn da ein paar talentierte Kinder spielen. Völlig uninteressant geworden.
It was legal back then. Now you're no longer allowed to keep your hand in such a way that it obstructs the view of the ball... might be a bit more complicated than that, but that's the short explanation.
Such effortless style, his general composure was phenomenal
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ?
Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS.
So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
Jan waldner is the greatest player all time.
love his cool, rational style and personality.
Like Adam bobrow said anyone who doesn’t think ma long is the goat after his second gold medal is being emotional and that’s ok but just know the truth isn’t your feelings little bro
@@Callmethedrink7Be gone, American.
@@Callmethedrink7 Oh no, someone had a differing opinion to me, best insult them to undermine it.
@@SilverionXWe can agree to have different opinions but the facts are the facts
@@Callmethedrink7 Being the best of all time or the greatest of all time is not the same thing.
Ma long is the clear best player of all time however, the greatest is not really the same thing.
For example, Waldner won wc without losing a single set. Ma Long did not but he won wc back to back to back.
Waldner is prob the most entertaining player to watch of all time hence he is so popular.
Waldner has def the most talent and feeling of any player ever however Ma Long is the most efficient player and has efficient playstyle ever and prob a hard worker.
For me Waldner stands out more since he is non Chinese so for me he is the gratest player, I do think Ma Long is the best of all time tho(my fav player of all time).
Mr. Waldner was like a wizard technician bringing Science and art together! There will never be a Waldner in my life time ( one of a kind)
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Yes never other waldner but better like captain long.
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ?
Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS.
So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
"Chinese player killer"... Waldner an all time legend.
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Lol kong killed walder a Perssan in this tournament. Who is the killer?
He is at least one of the best maybe even the best swedish player of all time
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ?
Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS.
So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
Jan-Ove Waldner is unsurpassed, without a doubt the best table tennis player of all time.
Ma Long is the GOAT.
@@Qwert_567 I really like Ma Long, one of the greatest.
Beautiful to watch! Especially his blocks and counterstrìkes!👏👏👏
He is the GOAT. I dont see Ma Long even coming close to his ball control, versatility, placement, etc. He has all the shots in the game. Attack, defense, counter, you name it, Waldner could do it all. THE GOAT! He is the Mozart of Table Tennis!
Ma Long is not going to cut it against Ma Lin, let alone the GOAT Waldner. I agree 100%. Waldner is undoubtedly the GOAT. You can actually see the intellectual brilliance in his shots, whereas the Chinese are one step behind in this area, imo. We need more Waldners in tt.
He is at least one of the best maybe even the best swedish player of all time
Not sure of course since it can't happen but Ma long and modern players would probably win against Waldner no?
@@Trollet532who cares? at his peak he was the absolute best player in the world and he beat all the Chinese players like no one before and no one after...
@@ArnHaz
Yes
Europe should yield/breed more talent players like Waldner …
Don t go for the stupid rally style pls😅😅😅😅😅😓😓😓😓😓
Its crazy how it looks like he has all the time in the world doing his shots. Looks so effortless
It was his excellent placements and especially his ablity to shoot the ball down the line even from the most difficult spinds and speeds that made him the greatest at the time
JOW's serves were a HUGE part of his success.
Liu Guolang, the chinese table tennis legend as player and coach, once said that he concerns about the popularity of table tennis more than the results of matches. Heavyweight balls are luring stupid stuff in table tennis. They make table tennis become bored with very few touches in every balls series, and with more offgame time, less long rallies, less visual athletic skills shows. Simple reason : heavyweight balls fly too lightening fast, and players can not succeed to react to apply techniques. (All heavyweight objects like stones and heavyweight balls can fly lightening fast in air, but lightweight objects as small lightweight paper box can not fly fast in air due to effectively air resistence). The less touches in every ball series, the less ongame time, the more offgame time, and players lose more their time for offgame time to go to pick up balls.
HEAVYWEIGHT BALLS MAKE TABLE TENNIS MANUFACTURER AND PROFESSIONAL PLAYERS TO BE POORER AND POORER, because heavyweight balls make table tennis extremely difficult to play amateur social games for new beginners. Thus majority of new beginners leave away from table tennis, and there be very few new beginners still keep playing table tennis (extremely difficult to play game for beginners).
It requires few weeks of training for new beginners to reach minimal amateur levels to play amateur social games in other sport, for example in badminton, billards, .. . BUT IT REQUIRES FEW YEARS OF TRAINING FOR NEW BEGINNERS TO REACH MINIMAL AMATEUR LEVEL TO PLAY AMATEUR SOCIAL TABLE TENNIS GAMES. It is very stupid big time training requirement for beginners in table tennis, thus majority of new beinners just leave table tennis. I personally see much many real life cases today : private commercial table tennis club halls are revamped to become badminton club halls, because table tennis is extreme difficult to attract enough number of new beginners to get profit for running commercial table tennis clubs as commercial social sport services. If the commercial private table tennis halls have high ceils, then their owners often cancel table tennis club services to convert halls into commercial badminton club or other sport services halls to get profit, because there are very few new amateur table tennis players.
The reason of stiff difficulty of table tennis for new beginners : heavyweight balls make table tennis to be extremely difficult for new beginners : they fly extremely lightening fast in air, and they are difficult to control for beginners. Lightweight balls make table tennis become extreme easier for new beginners : they fly slower in air, they are easier to control for beginners. With lightweight balls, every ball series will have more touches in average. Thus table tennis matches will have more ongame time and less offgame times, thus players have more ongame time. It is valuable ! Because amateur players pay their time to play table tennis matches for health and social fun/communication, thus the more offgame time, the more waste time for players !
Everyone can try lightweight balls, for example 2gr balls, to feel how extremely more easily to play table tennis for new beginners.
The next balls of table tennis must be lightweight balls, for example, 2-2.5gr balls instead of the current 2.7gr balls.
The result of lightweight balls will be staggering : there will be more billion new beginners come and keep playing table tennis with new lightweight balls of 2gr, because lightweight balls do not require stupid enormous few years of training to reach minimal amateur level to play amateur social table tennis game, but require only few weeks of training enough to play amateur social table tennis games. Of course, it leads to increadible big scale business of table tennis equipment manufacturers, it leads to increadible big number of table tennis audience of professional tournaments . Because new billion beginners will play and keep playing the easier version of table tennis with lightweight balls 2-2.5gram, but not the current stupid extreme difficult version of table tennis with heavyweight balls 2.7gram, thus they known playing table tennis as amateur players and once they known playing then they will have interest to watch table tennis tournaments. They will be billion one, once lightweight balls 2-2.5gram are applied in table
@@abstractexchange5057 Were you having a boring time?
Waldner is just incredible to watch, he shows that the game is mostly about how you apply your mind to it. Because when you do, you've got the feel, the control, the focus and the consistency.
Waldner, the Swedish table tennis magician.
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Unseen footage(videos) of Waldner. I thought I had seen all of it on TH-cam befor. Thanks a lot.
Jeez, Waldner was on fire. Didn't lose a single point!
People need to understand how good he was.. I saw him during a training camp in my school before beating Team China for the 1st time.. What a Legend !!
love no look shots playing top players unreal.ball placement is unreal. Defense is unreal.you are the best in my opinion.
Remarcable player, one of the best in the business.
Lol not one of the best, the best in his era. He is the first player to start pivoting from the backhand and all players his generation copied.
This man is always in the perfect position
JO often casually stood his ground whilst his opponents ran half a Marathon per match.
06:34 - Imagine hitting your opponent with that kind of shots and he doesn’t take a step back from the table! That sequence portraits Waldners greatness.
2:42 is just insane
Hope Jan-Ove Waldner will play Xu Xin for at least one time , how about that? It will be so much fun.
The flexible wrist movement is comparable to penhold players. Amazing!
Jo Waldner is the one who make me love table tennis since 1990 during Olimpic Game. I am defender antispin player
Freakish- that is so high level it's amazing. All of it.
I think Waldner is top 5 GOAT's. He's one of the smartest/trickiest player of all time, sportsmanship is consummate
The best!
Very good timing.
What a beast!
Ridiculous shots ❤
The intelligence of that man. Off. The. Charts!!!
Nunca le vi fallar un Smash.Mi ídolo por siempre por el que me aficione al tenis de mesa
Bei Waldner weiß man nie, wo er hinspielt. Wirklich genial!
Genau! Was interessant ist, der Tennis Spieler John McEnroe sah immer so aus, als würde er wie ein Tischtennisspieler spielen. Waldner dagegen wirkt fast schon wie ein Tennis Spieler
Kommishe Eindrück)
Waldner's smashes are brutal
Other players run to the ball with tremendeous speed, bending and stretching their bodies in impossible ways to be able to reach it.
Waldner already stands where the ball will come.
One of the greatest brains in the history of sports.
I love this backspinsmash
I'm not even into the game and this is amazing
However, Jan-Ove Waldner is the ambassador of table tennis. The GOAT in the early stage of table tennis.
Waldner is the greatest player at the placement of the ball and one of the greatest servers in the game.
Ma Long surpassed him
How can he be an ambassador when nobody today cares about him.
He was a good player but definitely not the GOAT. Ma Long surpassed him and deserved to be the GOAT.
And Waldner was lucky to play in an era where Chinese table tennis system was in a self discovery phase
what a legend
Bro using 1% of his power 🎉
^^ Waldner is the Einstein from table tennis XD 😉🥳
Jag vet inte om folk har börjat glömma HUR fantastisk han var i sin krafts dagar, men här kan man se det klart och tydligt. Jag anser att det hade räckt lång även idag....
Glömmer aldrig JO min uppväxt..🇸🇪
Cold as ice!
GOAT
it really took a loooong while before Waldner finally got to figure out Liu Guoliang
Легенда Н/тенниса. БРАВО 👍
Waldner plays table tennis like a chess master, creating angles and playing shots that constantly make his opponent uncomfortable and cramped for room.
The Ibrahimovic of table tennis.
Grym Grymmast
Together with Long GOAT for me...
Waldner in his prime and in form was pretty much unplayable.
Waldner is the goat with the old ball.
Ma Long is the goat with the new ball.
Tabletennis was funnier with the old ball. Could switch up the game and Waldner was the master at it. Nowadays it's all about who is the best robot.
Agree with every word of that, but for me Waldner was in a different class to even Ma Long. He could do things with the ball that no other player could do.
@@maxbowie6074 I'm swedish so some people maybe think i'm a bit biased, but Waldners greatness can't be denied.
@@RalphHund It definitely cannot be denied. I am always amused when I read people saying "Oh, Ma Long would easily have beaten Waldner if they had played each other when they were both in their prime." This is complete nonsense. The great Swede was a clever player, and knew exactly how to 'shut down' opponents. The fact is, Ma Long never played anyone even remotely close to Waldner in terms of what they could do with the ball. He just wouldn't have allowed him to play his own game. (none of this is any disrespect to Ma Long. Waldner would have done exactly the same to Wang Liqin, who I also admire for his forehand and athleticism)
I really don't know if you watch much of current table this with that opinion. It feels like to me the often misplaced nastalgia people do with everything "it was better in the old days" when often times it wasn't.
Don't get me wrong. There were cool things about the old days and the 38mm ball celluoid era. But lets not pretend there were not bad things too. So the ball was smaller and celluloid. The pace of a smashed ball was flat out faster. So points were over sooner. Less rallies. That's why short pips was so popular for a while. Smash it and the ball was basically unreturnable. Longer rallies make all the highlights and what people find fun to watch in the game. It's better now in that regard. Furthermore, my goodness go back and watch some old pros playing back in the day when you could dangle your arm out there essentially hiding the ball on the serve every bit of the way. How many aces did Waldner, and many other pros, get right off the serve because the placement & spin simply could not be seen? Serve, error, point over. Serve, error, point over. Not saying it was like that every time but it for sure was a higher % than now. That's bad viewership table tennis. Now players today still try to push it to the limit and hide the ball as much as they can within the rules but it's nothing like the old days. Lastly the change to 11 vs 21 was a good one making each game much closer vs a race to 21 where someone is up X number of points and you know who will win but we have to wait it out because the games were longer.
@@maxbowie6074 Exactly!
The emperor of corner work
First times I heard waldner says " Cho! "
Какое чудо этот Вальднер, а игра с Тимо Болом это просто шедевр. 👍👏👏👏
Сейчас бы он уже не потянул.., НТ сильно изменился.
@@Not_Z-vastik_Stop_Putinism и что поменялось?
@@Мама-анархия Всё - техника, скорости, физ.подготовка спортсменов.
@@Not_Z-vastik_Stop_Putinismтак дети рассуждают, ну поменялся нт, но если бы он был молод сейчас,то соответствовал бы времени плюс его одарённость. Кстати, сейчас теннис скучнее по мне , быстрый мощный прямолинейный, но нет драмы и такого разнообразия как при Валднере. А те кто сейчас тренеры , в свое время даже лучше теннис показывали,чем их мощные и быстрые подопечные, и думаю ,даже с тем теннисом обыграли бы многих современных спортсменов.
At his best, no one in the history of TT could beat him. Not even the Chinese robot Ma Long. Although Ma Long was extremely good at his prime, he's stepping down around 18 years before J-O.
His shots were a thing of beauty
Что значит работа кистью. В ИДЕАЛЕ 5++++.....👏👍💪
Waldner beats all the top chinese players with ease, and that means the best players in the world. But he usually have a hard time against any other countries players. It's a little weird
And as a footnote, China have more active table tennis players than Swedens entire population
卓球に相対性理論を持ち込んだ唯一の存在。
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The swedish master is an legend in China 😊
The Chinese play a way more physical game. It’s why they are at their peak for maybe 5 years. A story I heard. Waldner was playing a Chinese guy in the Olympics, he came up to him and said my coach said he played against you before. He said I played against your coaches coach. That’s why the Chinese call him evergreen. He played in the Olympics when he was 38 I believe and lost in the bronze metal match. At 38, he’s roughly 12 years passed the Chinese players prime.
Talented player.
赏心悦目！
Damn.
Such a cool game too, I should get into it.
Do it !!!
Sehr effizient.
На игру Вальднера можно смотреть бесконечно: это высший класс.❤❤❤
0:47 😂😂😂😂
His game reminds of me modern Ma Long. Speed control with backhand and consistent, powerful loops with forehand.
No .diffrent type
Вообще не напоминает Ма Лонга. Свой собственный уникальный стиль.
Different player... today it's all about speed
@@ciao259 yes Walner play with brain and art more
Xuxin style like Walner than ma long
Ma Long is typical Chinese style:push short,smash to the middle,nothing like Waldner who was the king of angles.
waw great player indeed, his long forearm bring way more speed to the ball, its a waw from me
супер. нравится
The real forest gump ;)
Nice thumbnail
Two words,
Glue,
Speed.
Lol
He looks like Zidan in football 😂😂❤
^^ imagine you're playing against an opponent that has nearly the exact experience in TT in years as you're old XD 😉🥳
Defeated generations of Chinese players.
GOAT overall? Maybe... JOW's serves? BEST EVA...
illegal today. And Ma Long clearly GOAT
Almost God of TT)
Unbelievable if it wasn't recorded....
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The secret of Ove is 1.0 ultra tacky and soft rubber/sponge combo with an ultra fast carbon blade. Not the thickest speediest/tackiest rubber sponge combo He used while training all the thousands of hours that it takes to master One's off/def strokes thru the years. Need proof, listen to His forehand/backhand blocks. The opponents ball is hitting wood, which wouldn't happen with thick hard rubber/sponge combos. Stick to the thin tacky rubber/sponge combos front and backsides of bade in a match always, no matter who You play. The carbon blade will take care of speed and distance. Everything else comes from prior competitions.
Ps. Notice taking chances are not a part of His game, defense is His best offense. Keep crushing that eggshell, young ppl . Ove is the best ever.
Samsonov was also legendary
its like he would see everything, even if the opponent would move a finger
I wonder if some persons think faster and experience everything in slow motion. Like a fly experiences a hand moving towards it. Waldner, Ibrahimovic, Messi.
@@magnusk5860 They have just trained their brain to think in their sport. All patterns are identified by ease because they have allready seen it a thousand times. I bet they are also very relaxed in the pressure situations and are able to connect with the flow state easily, simply because they have been in this feedback loop of getting positive confirmation for many years from performing in their sport and the confidence that this produces
6:28 face evil
He doesent even move half as much as his opponent. He is an extremly centerd player.
выдает сложно предсказуемое направление с еле заметной оттяжкой
Players used spin/chops back then
Il mérite son surnom de Mozard parce qu'il impose le rythme et la position des balles. Personnellement, je le placerais devant Ma Long.
Je ne l'ai vu jouer en live qu'une seule fois , c'était fa-bu-leux (il valait mieux être joueur soi-même pour apprécier pleinement, c'est tellement difficile !)
JO var så bra att han lekte med sina motståndare ...
All points to Waldner but Lets not forget who won the match .. LGL
Once I had a 100% win rate against him, i won the first point
No fancy moves but very effective.
Da sieht man mal wie gut die Weltspitze, inklusive Waldner und Boll mit den alten 38 mm Bällen waren. Mit den 40 mm Bällen spielen dieselben Leute nur noch auf damaligem Landes- oder Verbandsliganiveau, da die Bälle einfach kein schönes Spiel mehr zulassen. Manche wie Boll mischen immer noch in der Weltspitze mit, aber das Niveau ist mit diesen Bällen einfach grottenschlecht. Macht einfach keinen Spaß mehr. Habe deswegen auch aufgehört, wie viele andere auch. Dieser Sport war einmal schön, aber das haben Funktionäre kaputt gemacht. Gucke ich mir nicht einmal mehr an. Sieht für mich selbst bei einer WM nur noch so aus als wenn da ein paar talentierte Kinder spielen. Völlig uninteressant geworden.
Excuses. It's still a great sport.
It was a great sport, but playing with these balls is like playing football with a double sized ball without any air pressure.@@amadeusbm
El bloqueo lo es todo..waldner con el menor esfuerzo los volvia locos y ni se despeinaba
Mozart!
YOOOO!!!
天才。
JAAA!
he lost the first match! omg
Modegard's playstyle reminds me a bit of Waldner. Very aggressive and playing a bit far from the table with a lot of sidespin when necessary.
Truls Möregårdh takes much more risks. Waldner basically played it safe.
1:44 this serve illegal or not
Legal
It was legal back then. Now you're no longer allowed to keep your hand in such a way that it obstructs the view of the ball... might be a bit more complicated than that, but that's the short explanation.