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/ top8tt Jan-Ove Waldner (老瓦, (Lǎo Wǎ)) is a former table tennis player from Sweden. He is considered as one of the greatest table tennis players of all time. Waldner is famous for his elegant and effortless style of playing table tennis. His serve and blocking are his strongest part of the game. Waldner won a gold medal at Olympic Games 1992 in Barcelona.
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Born: October 3, 1965 (age 52), Stockholm, Sweden
Playing style: Shakehand grip
Other names: 老瓦 (Lǎo Wǎ)
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I had to re-upload Waldner video because of issues with some points. I added a couple of extra points. Thank you! Enjoy!
The 2nd last player isn't J-O Waldner it is Jörgen Persson
@@Raeters And why does the commentator say "Waldner found the table"?
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ?
Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS.
So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
Waldner was an absolute magician. To me the most naturally talented player of all time. A legend
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@@mrmf4712he said ”to me” you cant say he is wrong..
The new skyrocketing rising analogous sport of PICKLEBALL is reminding that : The current table tennis version of heavyweight 2.7gram balls is full range stupid. Must immediately, as soon as possible, apply new lightweight balls of 2gram or 2.5gram balls. Heavyweight balls fly too fast because air resistence can not effective slow down them. Too difficult to control heavyweight balls, and extreme difficult to catch fast heavyweight table tennis balls. It is the reason of why almost all table tennis beginers leave out teble tennis or do not want to try playing table tennis. Need atleast few years of training for beginers in order to play amateur table tennis games of heavyweight 2.7gram balls. IT IS THE ALL-TIME HUMAN HISTORY MOST STUPID CONDITION OF SPORT TODAY IN THE AGE OF BUSY LIFE. Who will pay few years of training to reach level of playing basic amateur table tennis games ?
Look at the new skyrocketing rising sport PICKLEBALL : the Pickleball federation setup very logical scientific standard for pickleball balls : the pickleball balls have very reasonable very lightweight (in the context of distances in pickleball sport), pickleball balls even have holes in ball outer surface to decrease ball weight. All of them lead to the to result : the lightweight pickleball balls fly in air with ENOUGH SLOW SPEED, so that in the distances in pickleball sport, players have enough time to react to apply techniques and tactics and get funs. And because players can succeed to react, Pickleball is very easy for beginers quickly to play basic amateur games to get funs even without any training. Players must succeed to react to balls speed. It is the first condition for sport to be human sport. I see that in many societies today, there are even more commercial PICKLEBALL CLUBS than table tennis clubs. Everyone can easily quickly play amateur pickleball games for funs and communications. While it requires few years of training for beginers to play amateur table tennis games. It is obviously quite clearly stupid in table tennis. It affects table tennis equipment manufacturers (less new beginers, less markets), spectators (waste time to watch so much offgame time of picking up table tennis balls). The most reason : STUPID HEAVY WEIGHT OF CURRENT TABLE TENNIS BALLS.
So if the international table tennis can not quickly come to consensus of applying new lightweight (2-2.5gram balls) table tennis balls, then TABLE TENNIS SPORT MUST GIVE UP MORE THEIR ROOM TO PICKLEBALL SPORT IN OLYMPICS, in order to regard audience by stopping wasting time of table tennis audience in bored table tennis matches with much offgame time of going picking up balls and less ongame time of playing table tennis. The Olympics must slash more room of table tennis sport, to give more room to pickleball sport in Olympics programs, if the international table tennis society can not quickly reach to consensus of applying new lightweight 2-2.5gram table tennis balls
I am Chinese ，Born in the 1980s. China has countless world championships, but my favorite table tennis player is Waldner since my childhood.
He was something else.
I hope I'm coming to Sichuan province, and also Tibet.
😊
that is what i love and respect with the chinese people. you have so many champions. but you choose a Swede from the other side of the world as your hero :D
@@cfvgd He is a legend of tt.
Swedish people had done the same if there was a Swedish sport (worth naming).
@@thesubhumancomedy if a chinease came in and dominated a Swedish sport? I think not no. Not in the same way Waldner is looked up on in China.
Waldner sustained a world-class level for 3 decades. Facing 3-4 breeds of new and world-class players from China plus the rest of the world and defeating them all.
Waldner faced massive game-changing factors including; Speed glue, change of ball size, new high tech rubbers, new scoring system and adapted to all with great success.
Waldner also reached the highest-level TT had ever seen in his prime and raised the level a few times.
Waldner was far more creative and constantly developing his game by reinventing himself. This gave him the ability to beat world class players and compete for major titles up until he was 45 years old.
Waldner did not come from a nation of 200 million TT players. He did not have the best infrastructure such as China and yet from a small TT community in Sweden he enabled himself to become the greatest player anyone had ever seen back in the ’80s-’90s and early ’00s.
It was the Waldner vs China competition era and he won it. That is why he is so great, but then came a young one named Ma Long to share the number 1 place with him.
Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit
A bit of truth in there.
@@ndanda1693 your existence is bullshit, disappear please.
He is good, but "the greatest player anyone had ever seen (in his time)" might be a bit high fetched.
Well....behold a Man who has a free admission in china
No matter how much time passes, to me, 1:55 will always gonna be the best point of the entire history of table tennis!
Agreed... arguably one of the best. That whole body-fake of just walking and blocking at the same time is just enough to completely distract Boll for a split second...and that's all you need. More like chess than table tennis...just beautiful to watch. I've copied the move many times to score points.
I have seen him doing something similar but even more astonishing. The body language was the same, walking away and not seeming interested at all but hit the ball into the diagonal end of the table with his back towards the table! Waldner was really a genius in tabletennis.
My all time favorite is here also. 2.22
He has played better points against other lefties,1994 Euro vs Gatien for example.
Against Boll it was like cheating 'cause Boll was all spin little speed which played straight into his game.Even Moregard can pull such shots against Boll.
Chess on Speed @@2199SPUDMAN
This is not technique, this is art. It's so much fun to watch such touch and placement.
I have played this sport on a competition level and I can actually "feel" how difficult those returns from Waldner are. He always puts the ball where you don't expect or want it.
He also uses his body to misdirect his opponent as to where he is going to put the ball next or what is going to happen next.
Here is a perfect example of how his body language tells his opponent "This rally is already over and I'm going to go and drink some water". This makes Timo hesitate just a bit and that is all it takes in this sport to lose the point. : 1:55
This leads to situation where most of the time waldner just stands there and you run like crazy after the ball and the longer the rally lasts, the harder it gets for you. Truly amazing!
it's sad that this style is, to my knowledge, extinct. All you see now is just hit the ball harder and then hit the ball even harder until someone makes a mistake. Not nearly as enjoyable as this!
The change to the plastic ball is probably the reason - it gives a harder contact on the rubber so playing with Waldner level feel and anticipation is extremely difficult. I would say Timo Boll has a similar level of feeling as so have the top Chinese players (ML, FZD).
The game has changed to a much more fast paced and reaction based game.
With Harimoto, I guess playing a Waldner type game would be still more challenging.
But yes, he is a legend.
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@@ayushkrishnanchakravarthy5548 Boll is nowhere near Waldner in terms of touch, his short game and blocking are very average.His defensive-counterattacking abilities have always abysmal.The only European who has good touch is Samsonov yet his return of serve can be poor.
Chinese and Japanese players are pretty good in this department although they can΄t use spin the way Waldner did.
Waldner could drive his opponents into the stands with extreme angles,his sense for trajectories was more like a tennis player a sort of mcEnroe or Federer of TT.
The Chinese mostly play to the body/middle,Waldner played either down the line with full confidence or extreme angles which is much more difficult.
Ayush Krishnan Chakravarthy Koki Niwa has a similar way of playing not on the level of Waldner though.
@@omare_biketonature - please give his full name.
Not only one of the all time greats but a truly special human too. I made my debut v Sweden and he took time to come and congratulate me and also gave me his own Swedish pin (like an international cap) even though he didn't even know me. 30 years on, he's still my sporting hero :)
Curious question from a Swede, for what country did you compete?
I’ll never forget his last Olympics: He was much older than the opponents and had the most pronounced dad bod in the whole Olympic village, (except for the throwers in track & field) - the audience gasped when he changed shirts. Yet he toyed with the opponents, thanks to his exquisite reading of the game, and he actually reached the semifinals. Incredible feat that shouldn’t even be possible. Tells you a lot about his unique talent.
Here is a man who truly understands what the sports of ping pong is. Much respect from the Chinese to the legendary Evergreen Tree🌲 🏓
Chinese old friend , we Chinese like him ! He is a TALENT!
And I wish to see him playing against the current Chinese players!
@@a2140416 he would get mauled
Agree. Friend.
@@yeagerist977No. His quick direction changes would mop the floor with current competition
@@a2140416 had one with Ma Long in 2009,but he is 44 at that time.
Saive once said in an interview: When a tt player has a good day he knows what the opponent is thinking. When JO has a good day he knows what the ball is thinking
You are correct. Waldner seemed to have an uncanny instinct for knowing which counter-stroke was necessary to neutralize any spin. His mastery of touch was unequaled as was his placement and control. In many ways, he was a minimalist who only applied what energy was necessary to win a point, no more and no less. It's that economy and purity that make his play look so effortless.
Jan-Ove Waldner is one of the most talented player in table tennis history--probably the most talented. Love his badass attitude after playing epic shots. He was like "well, that's no big deal". Among table tennis players around the world nowadays, we can hardly find players who got such talent. And those rare ones include Koki Niwa and Xu Xin. However, in my opinion, Jan-Ove Waldner is the true genius considering these three talented players.
Is Ma Lin in the top 3 or 4?
Chen Yu-Sheng I like your name bro it sounds like a ninja name and don't take that compliment like a left wing feminist on a Mcdonalds diet.
F 4
Maybe like something out of "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon"?
The warrior Li Mu-bai has a magic sword being stolen and, together with his female friend Yu Shu-lien, he tries to find the mysterious Jade Fox and her assistant, the young Jen.
No, he is the most talented player ever ;-)
When I was studying in Kalmar, a relatively small town in the south of Sweden, I flew back from a visit to my parents in Stockholm. When the plane landed in Kalmar Airport, it turned out that Jan Ove was at the same flight and everyone in luggage claim quite what they were doing and gave him a long applause. He was very well loved in his home town.
Born 3 October 1965 in Stockholm.
@@knowledgeisgood9645played for Kalmar BTK between 1995-2003 .
1:53 most badass moment!
"Im better than you, i won.. bye..."
3:54 is even more humiliating. He doesn't even look to the table.
It was like a "fuck this shit" moment.
Waldner is Legend.
i think one of his hobbies is bullying Tim Boll =)). He did the same thing in the rematch in the recent year
Too bad he didnt play in the HD era of television or future 4K
hahaha HD era of table tennis? there is no such thing even in 2019
@@HarryWizard ye thank ITTF
Dette er en svenske å se opp til! Fantastisk!
ITTF hasnt even discovered 1080p yet
you dont need HD to see his opponents running side to side
When it comes to blocks in table tennis Waldner is in a league of his own. No one comes even remotely close. Absolutely insane soft hands and reaction, let alone imagination.
He makes it look so effortless. I've never played TT seriously, but even at a glance it is easy to see why many consider him to be the greatest ever.
He IS the greatest ever and part of the team who exterminated the "chinese wall" on the 80:s!
He is just wonder with his hand without moving his feet much. I just love watching him play wonders. Players like Federer and him are loved by all for transforming the game, where every shot looks so easy.
I'm still proud of that moment when I got to meet him as a kid, and also had my table tennis racket signed. An icon!
2:04 like a boss
3:57 No-Look
5:49 NO WAY he returned that shot!
Waldner and Zidane are my most favorite sport players because they played beautiful arts in their matches.
Waldner is the GOAT, there will never be another
After ma long 2nd gold medal your delusional if you think waldner is better
@@calmtree6521the point is not the number of medals you see
@@calmtree6521no way Ma Long will ever be as great as JO. I can give you AT LEAST five reasons for that...
The amount of minimal effort but brilliance put into those plays..
Excellence at its finest.
Great video of a great player!
As a Swede I'm very proud of how many world class players we had at the 80's and 90's, as Jörgen Persson, Mikael Appelgren and with JO at the very top.
Those three toghether had 15 gold, 15 silver and 5 bronze 1983-2001, only the world championship medals counted.
Äpplet.
Jan-Ove Waldner the ultimate maestro and Mozart of Table Tennis. A genius and a master by any definition and in any sport. Cheers!
No wonder he is loved in Asia, he moves with a precision of a great sword warrior, slashing competitors into pieces, beautiful to watch!!
1:54 Not the slightest care in the world and even less sympathy for the opponent. Love the walk off as well.
Opponent is just left speechless lmao
That opponent is Timo Boll who beat Ma long and the top Chinese players lol
Hehe looks badass, but the real reason is that he is hiding his shot direction . If he aligns a stance before the return, the opponent would be prepared .
You know he's living in another dimension when he makes everything look super easy
The way his blocks were able to change the acceleration in and off the ball is both a triumph in Physics and Religion.
^^^This right here folks^^^
No. Religion is a Complete and Utter Delusion.
He is not even using much energy. His opponent is working very hard.
My favorite player of all time. Simply brilliant.
This guy is f... amazing! Never seen anyone play like him.
And you won't ever see his like again. Because of his sheer genius but also because the game just moved on.
The closer would be Schlager in highlights because he lost most of his matches.
So brilliant. The Mozart of table tennis for sure!
Waldner is like the Bradman of Table Tennis.A true artist
This makes me nostalgic man. Hopefullt Trulls will give me some new memories :)
Somehow this came up in my algorithm. Thanks. Incredible. I think his skill and understanding of the game is the best a sportsman of whatever sport ever has achieved. And he just stands there and hits everything.
In Stars Wars terminology, maestro Waldner is a Jedi Master that is One with the Ball...
One of exceptionally few reasons to be proud about being from Sweden.
..and abba
@@martindrengubiack9149 I shall agree to this good sir!
My favorite athlete in ping pong, amazing eyes hands quickness even at 55.
Pure genius!For me best ever!With such finesse,efortless!Woooow!!!😇😇😇
i have met him in Sweden he is the most normal guy, that's why i love him, i got his autograph. Görgen Persson who wom with Waldner is from my home town i am proud!! :)
Görgen 🙄
I love table tennis this is fantastic, pure craftsmanship.
The most talented player ever. For sure the best backhand in history of the game.
Wowww...I remember I watched Waldner when he was 17 years old, it should be around 1982 in a top 12 European championship tournament in Barcelona...I remember him (4th place), and I remember an veteran and fantastic French player...I think his name was Secretin (maybe wrong spelling), he was an artist...Waldner was the youg promise...He complied with the expectations by far...what a player!
He is the Federer of TT
More like the Pete Sampras.
If you ask me, this is way harder than what Roger does on court.
actually, federer is the 'waldner' of tennis...
I don't think that is so accurate. Federer beasted through generations even with changes and facing age.
@@lizardbyheart2817 and Waldner got through ball changes, new scoring system, age, racket technology differences (not comparable to tennis) and after all this he won bronze at the Olympics in his late 30s beating top players in the process
Good, no better, oh no The Best!
He is amaizing!!!
Mozart...No word more apt than this to describe Jan Ove
the smartest player for ever :)
His peak level is the highest ever for sure. And he had such a rare personality to his play style; sort of nonchalantly cocky.
The best tribute I've seen so far of Waldner! Top quality video from you as always ! :) Thumbs Up
Tanvir Hussain i
Amazing. I used to play ping-pong in my primary school, aproximately 30 years ago. Appreciate. Amazing!
I love talented players and Waldner is the best.
Ma Long might be the most effectiv and the most succesfull player of the last thirty years, but Ma Long play to beat everyone. When Waldner play, it is art.
Best table tennis player I have seen. Wowzer!!
why i feel like i have never seen anybody play TT like that, so much in control, so many trick shots, so much overpowering
Those were magical times. You had Waldner in table tennis, McEnroe in tennis, and Maradona in soccer! Probably the three greatest talents their respective sports have ever seen, all in one era!
As a Swede those times were something special. Watching McEnroe battling it out with our Björn Borg one day, and the next watching JO crushing the best. Very small sports in Sweden before those two as well.
Please
Nadal Djokovic Federer each of them takes Mcenroe
Messi Ronaldo
For table tennis probably right Waldner was something special but Chinese are ok too😂
The only non Chinese grand slam winner in the history of table tennis. He is a legend.
Will there ever be any one as good as he was? Will he be the best forever?
no, he is legend, even Chinese players are inferior to him
I'm 66 yrs old. Today's TT is as different as softball to baseball is compared to that era of competition. Sorry, dream on. Yes I like softball, it ain't baseball though. Ove is TT's B. Ruth and no ped's either. ✌️
When I was a child, he was playing for ATSV Saarbruücken and he was the reason why I started playing table tennis. (Sorry for my bad english)
This guy is a living thug life meme
No. No he's not.
@@elmoblatch9787 u r not
Ofoo
@@elmoblatch9787 The smooth walk on Timo is for you too. 😎😎😎
@@elmoblatch9787 Absolutely a living thug life meme
Waldner’s blocks are absolutely insane
Incredible it's Like play'n chess while running...this is art!
Claudio Armenio I played both table tennis and chess when I was younger and always thought there where a lot of similarities, still do. The serve you choose (if well executed) limits the options of the opponents return which in turn dictates what you’re able to do with your next strike etc etc. until something unexpected happens and you have about 1 second to rethink everything.You always have to think several moves or strikes ahead to beat a good opponent and use his weaknesses against him. Not to even mention executing your plan. The sport really is a beautiful marriage between theory/tactics and physical execution, on a high level demanding in every way
Waldner choose of placement is so bizarre and well working.
Got to say," Excellent video",
shows how super JO Waldner truly was and is. A wonder to watch as a teenager and in his forties.
00:50 He switched to his left hand. Amazing.
0:48
My father used to practice in the same club as Waldner. He was older than Waldner and they all trained together. Even though Waldner was shorter than the table he had an exceptional skill and talent. So I would say he was born with a great ball sense. We have another gifted football player that has said that Waldner could have become a pro at any game that involves a ball.
He makes it look so effortless. What a player.
Jan ove Wälder! Thank you! Never seen someone like you!!! Thank you so much!
Waldner* lol
Out of this world. What a joy to watch. Jan Ove has the artistry just like Federer has in Tennis.
ab 2:06 es is so geil, wie timo durch die gegend rennt, voller elan und wucht mit power und kraft ... und jan-ove chillt einfach und zerstört ihn aufs lockerste :D
absolutly great play - jan-ove waldner
Best player of all time, what a legend !
Only the best player of his generation !
His generation lasted longer than most though. Euro runner-up in early 1980's and retiring some 30 years later. Often injured, sometimes lazy but always produced sparks of brilliance. No-one in table tennis has matched the magic hands of J O.
john duff If you take achievements into account, Waldner is the third best player of all time, wich is a very honorable place. He is a phenomenal player anyway.
I think you were born just today, try watching all of Waldner videos and you see the difference of today's players.
@@Natureforce8 Titles wise he is the second best player ever but no one is his right mind would ever consider Ma Long to be the best ever cause he had joke competition once Wang Hao retired.
Brings a smile to my face. Thanks J-O.
A real magician!
This must be the only table tennis video on TH-cam not featuring top Chinese players that doesn't have dozens of comments underneath saying "there are 100 players better than this in China..."
He is undoubtedly the most formidable opponent of the Chinese players
One of the most entertaining table tennis player.
Thank you for watching?! Thank you for doing it man!! You rock!!
The world will never had a god like this anymore.
to be able to play table tennis at this level would be soo much fun I can imagne :)
klasnikof I was thinking the opposite, I imagine him retired now with a table at home with absolutely no one to play because he is unmatched even as a senior.
That next to last exchange was may be the greatest exchange in history of table tennis. Unbelievable!
king of table tennis
The dude is the Efren Reyes of table tennis-simply the best! Makes it look so easy, doesn’t break a sweat! He not only beat his opponents, he embarrassed them much like Roy Jones Jr. in his prime!
Thank you.....amazing to see such ability....but we should acknowledge ( I don't know how ) that great opponents are needed to showcase the Waldner wonder.
Waldner? A true table tennis joker of the highest rang - EVER. I met him here in Stockholm at Café Opera after his Olympic gold i Barcelona. He had one one beer in his left hand a whiskey in the other. What I personally had? Well at east his signature on my own glass. Ha ha. A truly true story.
4:55 What a Spiiiin.. 😳
Jan-Ove Waldner is pure genius. Extrodinary level, and fantasy in rallies.
The most incredible sport on earth.
Literally the most lethal side spin block I've ever seen in my life
I love Ma Long and Ma Lin, but Waldner is a true GOAT
Ma Long just won his second gold in olympics lol ✌️
@@faker3033 nice. I realy like like him. But my genius of all time is Waldner anyway
@@dvaplustwo waldner is mozart ✌️
That last point is fantastic. Wow !!
Jag bara skrattar när jag kollar på det här. En del av slagen finns ju inte på kartan, så att säga.
Killen va en klass för sig. Ingen kunde matcha honom. Hans slag är ju världskända.
Går inte att jämföra med idag ens han skulle fanimej utklassar varenda kines idag (under sin prime)
En reaksjonsevne ingen har sett, hverken før eller siden.
Legend!
Största bollbegåvningen jag sett genom alla tider.
Ja han var helt otrolig. I sina bästa stunder överlägsen. Dom andra var 1 division under honom. Fantastiskt att se honom i action!
Other worldly hand-eye coordination. If this guy could have played tennis, he would have been a super star.
Kind of short and athletically average for that. He might have been Marcelo Rios, though.
Waldner, still a legend in china :D
Legend everywhere
I saw him and Jorgen Persson playing in real life for demonstration here in the Netherlands in 2010. It was magical!
1:56 was the most badass, like-a-boss thing ever!
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The Federer of Table tennis
The elegance and the pure talent
and that was with fast 38mm celluloid ball, and with speed glue and all... da best of course
Only TT players know the existence of these changes ;)
5:11...MY GOD...he saves 10 deadly smashes from the opponent.. and ends up winning like nothing had happened :)...is this Tennis Table heaven..or what??
Best player ever
He is the third best player ever based on achievements. The only european to enter the top 5 best players of all time.
Gamerke X you supid bro? Achivements are not something you take in the consideration! He was the most popular person in whole of China for a reason? He is the best player in the world of you want to be kind but if you want to be real he places second after Ma Long!
@@aceeey106 achievememts matter. Popularity doesn't matter for success in skill but success as a person. You probably want to be the more successful person than achiever. Cause more will have great memory
Chang Qing Shu, Det evigt gröna trädet, som många kineser kallade honom.