The Hobby CNC That You'll Never Outgrow
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Lets have a candid talk about the brand new Onefinity Foreman Elite CNC Machine with Masso G3 Touch Controller. I go over a lot of features as well as why I think its the best hobby cnc router out right now.
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Chapters:
0:00 OH NO!!!
1:15 Beta Testing
1:40 550 IPM
2:06 Price
2:34 Owners Cost
3:04 Setup Time
3:48 Cable Management
4:29 Spindle
5:46 ATC
7:18 Water Vs Air
7:46 Line Clips
8:00 Cool Connectors
8:23 Spindle Vs Router?
9:54 Masso Vs Buildbotics
10:20 Touchscreen
11:25 Money?
11:57 Probe
12:19 Breaking Bits
12:40 Missing Steps
12:46 Pigeons?
14:26 Feeds On The Fly
15:36 But Why?
16:14 Table Shakes
18:05 Wasteboard
18:30 My Clamps
19:26 Dust Collection
19:57 MAKE IT FASTER
20:57 1,500 IPM
21:18 CNC Software
22:05 Too Expensive?
22:46 Noise?
23:02 4th Axis?
23:22 Wireless Upload?
23:33 Cable Management?
23:50 Masso Shell Open?
24:03 Upgrade Path?
25:03 3D Carving?
25:22 Rigidity?
25:33 Stiffy Needed?
26:30 I’m Sorry
27:26 Biggest Difference
27:56 Old Complaints
29:00 My Opinion
33:32 Mistake From Start
34:02 TH-cam Money - บันเทิง
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I think you are totally honest and forthright with your opinions and findings regardless if you paid for it or not. That can’t be said by others in TH-cam.
Hamilton, you're one of the very few individuals who's opinion I trust even when given free product. Most of the time, those types of videos are nothing more than glorified spec sheet reads. So keep it up, your content is amazing.
I was pretty much set on a shapeoko 5 pro, but there's some launch issues that are giving me pause. It'll probably still be a good while until I have enough for a cnc, but the elite woodworker is looking like that may be the way to go. I appreciate your cnc videos.
Your honesty is so pleasant to listen to. Watched your top 3, enjoyed all 3. Thanks!
im a big fan of the green screen and the constant feed of info going across it kept my me engaged for the entire video some times just listening to someone talk during reviews like this puts me to sleep or I stop caring and click away. keep up the good work =]
Great video. Thanks for the time and effort on it. My Foreman should be here Tuesday and I can't wait to jump in.
I totally agree. I have the X50 and bought it in 2021 and have made the machine's purchase price back numerous times over with just the basics. I also don't think there is a better machine on the market as of today. Can't wait to move into a larger shop and upgrade to the Elite! Great company in my opinion. Good video and good info to help get people to consider the best purchase they'll make if they want to make money in their spare time.
Excellent review. Your honesty and candid evaluation is convincing. My Elite Woodworker with the folding legs will be on order soon. The vertical storage capability was an absolute for my shop, Shadie Woods LLC.
I am adding this to my woodworking hobby. Just found your channel. Great channel!!
I'll tell you something I learned from one video call and one chat over some chicken wings and drinks with the guys from Carveco and Hamilton at Workbenchcon.... Hamilton is the same guy in person as he is on video.
He is brutal honesty while extremely humble and I promise that he will never say a word about any product that he doesn't believe 100%. I get the feeling this might not be the case with every TH-cam channel!!
I truly appreciate you as a unique individual doing what he loves to do. A person is absolutely lucky to find a job that he loves to do, make money and have a satisfied and fulfilled life at the same time. Good for you. Later when you’re older and look back you will be completely at peace with your life. (Especially if people give you tools, can’t get enough of those.)
Love your channel buddy and really appreciate the amount of work, effort and detail you put into your videos. Very impressive. Definitely deserve to see a lot more growth in the months and years ahead. Keep on keepin’ on 👍
Thanks a ton!
Loved all the info. Spot on🔥. Love seeing the reviews and hearing tips n tricks. I have the journeyman as well and it has been a wonderful machine. I almost bought a shepoko until I read about OF. So happy I did. Again, wonderful video.🔥🔥
Really enjoyed how well you explain things through the video
Really value your professional opinion on CNC and honest reviews no matter the circumstances, hoping to one day be able to add a CNC to my small woodworking business and I will benefit from all the info you deliver if that opportunity ever arises. Must be cool to be a Beta tester. Keep up great videos and you will hit 100k in no time.
Great video! Everyone should have a CNC and open up the posibilites!
Quality video, and quality review as always Hamilton. Thanks for the information and the non-biased look at the elite. I hope they make an upgrade available in the next year or so, I would love to upgrade my x-50 considering everything I've seen here.
Sorry for taking so long to watch this, but great content!!! I like how you took the time to break down all the details of this machine. 💯👊🏽😎
Lol good video, we have "load shedding" which is basically 2 to 4 hours of blackout at a few scheduled blocks during the day (there is this whole roster and levels and stuff which means the times change all the time).
I cant wait to order one. Was hoping to on release but the wife put a stop to that LOL, Building a new shop and buying weekend a car in the last 2 years was enough for her. I have been running my woodworker since the original release! After I didn't get the OK I decided to upgrade to the journeyman. Coming from a shapeoko years ago. The onefinity is the best bang for buck. Super rigid and fast. The masso takes care of all complaints I had with the original.
Love your channel and your laid back attitude. I looked over many machines and the Onefinity was on top. Shapeoko was out of the running along with several others because they are belt-driven. However, after a lot of research, I wound up buying a Longmill II 30x48 CNC machine from Scienci Labs. They are a great company in Canada. It's very similar to the Onefinity, but costs a lot less. I use the Makita router currently with Vectric vCarve Pro, gSender and a dedicated computer along with a lot of optional equipment. I'm into the whole thing for around $3000 (Vectric vCarve Pro is $699 alone).
I bought the original Longmill 30x30 in 2020 during the pandemic to earn money when I was out of work. Very solid machine and still working great today!
Longmill is a good choice too
Man I want this setup WITH the ATC so bad. By the time I can finally get one will hopefully see the ATC option and info on how to just buy it and get it all working. :) Awesome review!
I had the same thing happen the other day on my OneFinity. The only problem I had is it lost its XY and Z zero. I used the touch plate to re zero all three and it did a fair job finishing the project. Now I have a UPS on both my OneFinity and my VFD.
How amazing that i found this wholesome channel today.Nothing but praise for you in the comments, you are a godsend.Praise the Lord.
Thanks for sharing, this helped a LOT!
Thanks for the video and great info. Can you talk to the level of support and integrated software like Shapeoko has? I am new and in the market. Thanks.
Is the surgical tube link in the description still the best option for water cooled spindle supply and return? Thanks!
Great review and YES, you are definitely allowed to have an opinion. I've been comparing CNC machines in figuring out which one is for me and I was immediately struck by the OneFinity's apparent quality upon first seeing it. I'm still "CNC-less" at this point, but I've watched many, many videos to continue my comparison education. When I get to the point where I can justify a CNC for my own shop, it will definitely be a OneFinity, so I really appreciate the info in this video. Stopping here so I can smash the subscribe button~!
My 1F-4Man arrives in about 6-7 weeks if they stay on schedule. I bought the 1F because of your original videos.
Closed loop servos have a sensor on the back of the motor that can read the position of the motor armature to within 1/2000 of a complete rotation.
The controller can compensate for soft and hard spots in the material by reading if motor actually rotated as many times as the program told it to.
There is also closed loop stepper motors that are a lot cheaper.
I've got the PWNCNC 80mm 120v water cooled spindle for my journeyman. If nothing else, I worry so much less about the bit dropping :)
I have yet to try any 1/2" bits, don't have the nerve yet.
Thanks for your honest review. What about mounting your camera on the cnc/table - at least everything is shaking in the same way :)
this helped ! thanks ordering it .
Hi Great Video. I am not computer literate. I bought a $250 small 7" x 11" put it together plugged it in and the router mover. Then using Carveco program I designed a small name plate, hit go and nothing happening. I would need to go to a school somewhere for at least 40 hours of training before I ever buy another CNC. and at 78 yo not sure I want to do that. Have to admit it would be real cool to have a CNC. Ron USCG RET
Hi great video thanks for posting... Can Set this up to run on a 4x 8 piece of plywood?
Nice work, where did you get the clips for the tubing that attach to the drag chain?
I absolutely love your honesty when talking about CNC's I am in the process of buying a CNC. I am from Europe and for some time I was close to buy a Stepcraft M1000 but then all of a sudden I saw videos about Onefinity. It is absolutely stunning what they came up with. I am just blown away. The reason why I have not ordered one yet is because of shipment costs and in case of warranty issues or problems. Sending it back and forward would cost a lot of money!
In your process of finding a CNC was Stepcraft ever an option?
Keep continuing these good TH-cam videos. It’s a pleasure to follow you!
I bet that shipping is a lot, its hefty! I personally never looked into Stepcraft myself.
I am in Europe as well, and it's a pity to be paying not only the shipping but also the import duty, I'd wish there's a EU warehouse for this.
One billion... yeah, I can see it. I just added one more. You're welcome. LOL Great video. Love the honest opinion. Been looking at CNC's for months now. This is excellent info.
A CNC without a Spindle is like a car with an ON/OFF switch in place of the accelerator pedal. It works, but.... IMO, for the Elite level machines, QCW, Spindle and Stiffy should be considered mandatory/standard equipment.
Moving beyond the 1F one is probably going to look at full-steel welded and larger format. The need for that really depends on what you're making.
Add some diagonal cross bars to your base to strengthen it and reduce the movement.
Your restart lost power process works on most home/hobby GRBL machines including my favourite Genmitsu & FoxAlien CNCs
Hamilton. I love your videos and information and your presentation. “Here’s my opinion. Love or not “. Id love to see more info on where or to whom you sell products too? Without hurting yourself of course
Wasnt planning to sub until you mentioned the goal of 1 bill.
Awesome video and please keep growing
I'm looking for a machine for my art students at a community college. Due to us not having all that huge of a budget I was looking at the Pro Foreman vs the Elite. Have you any input in regard to that machine? I've got a Bob's at home that works well for what I need, but I think I need something a bit beefier for school use. I'd also like to keep with the spindle due to noise, being able to program in specific rpm, etc. I'm most familiar with V-Carve Pro and we'd likely use that software. we also do modeling and CAM output at times with Fusion360. Anyway, any info you have would be great. Thanks!
Nice idea with the greenscreen pip. Very nice video🎉
Thanks for the review.
keep teaching, mine suppose to be here Wednesday
How far forward does the cut area come with the 80mm Pwn spindle? In other words, what is the dimension from the front of the y-axis foot to the cut area?
Thanks
I saw my two stickers! Most exciting thing to happen this month 😂
have had the makita about 6 months and went thru 1 set of brushes and just got the makita router back from the manufacturer warranty as the field and armeture fried. soi id go spindle
Is there any option to get longer rails for 96x48 machine to do full standard sheet goods?
Hi, enjoying the videos. I have freed up space for up to a 4x4 footprint and time to get serious! Sorry for the Newb tech question, but I trust you better than the Geek Squad...Can I design and program from a PC or Mac laptop (in my house), and plug'n'play to the Onefinity touchscreen? (also no wi-fi in my shop)
They should make a CNC sander. Lol love your videos. I’m in the beginning stages of my wood working. CNCs are definitely out of the question for me right now. But yeah a CNC sander would be awesome right? Lol
Hamilton, They make a chip cover that may work for you concerning the ball screws. See this product spiral steel tape protection for ball screws
I have only 1 question for this machine. İs the spindle motor power enough to machine steel ? I know it can machine aluminum but how about cast iron and steel ?
as a very new cnc learner could you explain why changing the rpm mid cut is helpful if you do not have ATC? I could understand needing to change rpm for different tooling but not clear on the advantage if you have to change the tool manually. Maybe like deep boring cuts or something?
What type of table are you using Foreman? Can you post a picture? I have ordered a Foreman and am getting ready to buil a table. A little worried about stabilty of a table that could be 70" x 70". Thanks!
You should mount the Elk Horns above the OF cnc machine!! Great video..
Great Job Hamilton!
id like to see some contests. traditional woodworking tools vs cnc. itd be interesting
Great overview, really sold me on this tool. Onefinity looks to be really upper level light industrial that is still priced for prosumer...kinda like Langmuir. PWM doesn't recommend any metalworking with this spindle, how do you feel about its potential for light aluminum work?
Usually when you place some crazy feedrate the software or the controller just selects the maximum thah you can go. That what you have there is 300 ipm maybe 400 ipm at best. I have a large cnc where maximum is 700ipm and that is some crazy speed.
Does this cut 18ga cold rolled sheets?
Thanks for the thoughtful video! Any idea if you can plug a keyboard in and use those physical keys to jog around?
Yep! masso says it just needs to be name brand. They have a bunch of keyboard shortcut integrations as well. google "Masso G3 Touch Keyboard" and you should get some good answers!
Do you have any opinions on a Fox Alien Masuter Pro CNC? Seems nice and at a lower entry point. Or should I hold out for the JourneyMan
great overview and thoughts
Yo my friend what do you think about an x-carver cnc
Can you attach a mouse to it? So for just cnc carving the stiffy isnt worth it? Will there be an update for the X50 Journeyman to just make it 48x48 with its current stuff?
Maybe the table can be reinforced with a sheet of wood on the second level (sitting from left to right on front to back table leg supports)?
Great video! I have a belt drive workbee bit old now I recently added a Masso Touch which works great! Wanted to up grade to the elite series and keep my Masso but unfortunately Onefinity won't let me buy their machine without their Masso Touch! I cant even buy parts to build their machine! What a Pity! Keep up the interesting channel! Cheers
yeah i understand why they don't sell parts but I wish that they did, I have access to everything to build the gantry and would love to just buy a kit with just the MASSO, Z carriage, and steppers.
First time viewer, and new subscriber. GREAT VIDEO!!!!
Thanks. Your video is very informative, do you have a promo code for CNC Onefinity? Also, what is the best spindle you suggest?
I'm on the fence ordering one of these. I need to cut 1/8" acrylic (clear). And a CO2 laser with a 48"x48" working area is far more expensive than this. I'm not sure if the laser would be faster or have a better finish, for the cost difference. The 4-4.5 month wait has me apprehensive to order one. Really great to see you get one, and definitely looks like an amazing machine. Was thinking the other day I hadn't seen a video from you, so glad to see a new video. Looking forward to all things you do with the new machine.
In india you get full scale 5 feet by 8 feet CNC machine with 5 hp power requirement. Powerful spindles. Chinese or local with Chinese parts.
They weighs a few tons . Costs equivalent of $7-8K .
I wonder, did running the spindle at 50rpm generate much heat? I know my HY2.2kW water cooled spindle manual says the min is 7000rpm. I presume that's because with a 2 pole spindle it looses a lot of efficiency slower than that. The VFD comes programmed with minimums for that reason.
I run my Shapeoko 4 XXL at 475 ipm when surfacing the wasteboard...I know the older machines were capped at 200, but at least with the 4 I have, it'll go higher.
I think he was specifically referencing the 5 Pro which is this machines main competition.
@@johnread7404 pricewise it seems like the HDM would be the competition which is a whole different level of machine I think. Compared to the normal shapeoko.
Great video! I appreciate your transparency and neutrality with regard to your opinions. I would love to buy this machine, but am worried because I don't have a lot of room in my shop. I saw that Onefinity doesn't recommend this unit for vertical mounting. Any guesses as to what the limiting factor is? X axis? Y axis? Wondering if some form of counter-balance system could resolve the issue, like a garage door opener spring system. Low inertia, so that it didn't adversely affect the accel rates.
How big is your studio and the panels that are processed
Where did you get the cool connectors
Shipping on the 1F is at least $300. The Touch plate (which they call probe) is just under $100 itself. The PWNCNC watercooled spindle is just over $1100 with shipping and its required cooling system and the better cool connectors ($70 of that). $6100 + tax is a more realistic starting point.
Just completed to purchase order for everything you mentioned, with all upgrades for the 2.2kw water cooler spindle from PwnCNC. With all upgrades for water cooling system and shipping the cost is $1178.6o. The Onefinity Elite Forman with the touch plate, stiffy, and leveling system plus $395 for shipping to Oregon is $4907.38. Grand total is $6086.38. There is no sales tax in where I live so I avoided about $563 in sales tax based upon where I used to live in CA.
How do you get to Beta test a Cnc? I’ve got Cnc machines how do I beta test one?
I like your shaper top!!!
I am considering a CNC machine to cut flat packs for my speaker designs. A question about how I would go from CAD / 3D modeling program to cutting a piece - how the data of the "finished" piece should end up, if input into the machine? How much of the actual cutting process is "automated" vs modified as you see how it goes vs having to "manually" telling the machine how you want it done?
I am thinking that I would cut the panels on a table saw, and then cut rabbets and grooves, etc - so the waste is minimized (saw kerf vs bit size) AND the table size can be much smaller. I would be mainly working with Baltic birch and my local supplier (Boulter Plywood in Medford MA) can do square cuts for just $1.50 each. And when I would do MDF, I do not want to be handling full sheets, anyway. Oh and less dust.
I am looking forward to your video on dust collection. Getting the hose on the cutter set up; and what is needed for the collector/vacuum are key, I'm sure.
Looking at the OneFinity website, I am slightly confused about how to get the spindle (with air cooling?) vs the Makita router. I have the battery version of the Makita, and I know it might not be up to cutting a 12mm deep cut at any reasonable speed.
I will watch your other videos and look for things like setting up and indexing, etc.
EDIT: I own a PhlatBoyz PhlatPrinter 3 and from that experience, I am pretty sure I want the closed loop system! The accuracy you gain from this, I think is critical.
I love my OnefinityCNC, was part of the kickstarter but i wish i would have waited for this one. the power issue has hit me more then once... (loss of power) nothing bad from onefinity end of things. Just kinda sucks no upgrade path for me.
my cnc from 1f and it cuts not so well. ovals for circles .050 out of round and i contacted support and they repied thats fine for a hobby machine and will not help fix it under warranty. kinda sucks
Great video!!!
Hello there
Im looking to get in this as a hobby and needing a steep learning curve.
But is considering this type on machine my question to you is if its possible to wall mount for space saving and make the table stable solid
Please reply as i have subscribed to your channel and would like your help in experience pls
Thks Joe From Toronto Canada
Good video, however, you offer opinions for your setup and not necessarily for other setups. For example, if you are in a garage, you need to stay quiet for your neighbors and an air cooled spindle is much louder than a water cooled spindle. Also, a spindle is better for business and a dewalt router will work for hobbyists.
Can this be used to engrave concrete as a portable setup ? Has anyone done that before?
Nice T-shirt
I agree with nearly everything you said, but does it actually get up to the speed you're claiming? I'm asking because you can set any machine at a certain speed, but the speed is limited to distance & motor capability. The machine (any cnc) will limit speed regardless of set point as well based on the processes it's programmed to cut. 3d carving, for instance, relays 3 separate motions at once. I'm curious what speed you actually top out on a normal parameter cut. That's your actual top speed, and it will vary by bit.
Did you run the silicon tubes along the X and Y drag chains with Rowdy Roman's clips or just the X?
Both the x&y
I just purchased a competitor CNC because the 18-20 week shipping time was just too long.
Opinion on X-Carve Pro 4x4 vs Shapeoko 5 Pro vs Onefinity Woodworker/Elite? Each have pro and con, looking to get my 1st. Want to make some small furniture/cabinets
X-Crave Pro is not available in Canada so might take it off my list.
So first off, any cnc is better than no cnc. I personally would not get an x-carve, I have talked with many xcarve owners that say they wish they had either a shapeoko or a Onefinity. Shapeoko came out with the 5 pro to compete with Onefinity's x-50 series. The elite series from Onefinity is better than anything in the price point out on the market right now. I personally have never used a shapeoko machine, so I cant say much about them other than what I hear from others.
I personally think that the only machine you should be looking at is a Onefinity- but thats just me! I would assume all 3 brands will be having some kind of black friday deal this weekend. If you only read one thing I said- any cnc is better than no cnc! Have a good one!
Can this machine cut aluminum plate?
Maybe someone has already asked this, but what is the distance from front inside bolt hole to back inside bolt hole on the Y rail? @HamiltonDilbeck
Is the big screen your cam program? As in do you send a gcode to that? Is it through the cloud? Or USB? I use a cad program and then a cam program all on my computer. Just wondering how this works.
That is the actual controler
1:17 standard feature on most seasoned equipment.
it took 38 hours to carve to where it went back to at 1:18 ??
I am a DIY guy, and built my own CNC.
But I gotta say, that I really like ONEFINITY design and would probably be the only one I buy.
It just looks so good.
Would be good to see a stronger Z axis though...
Cool review🤞🏻
Thanks Hamilton, how much of the silicone tubing is needed? I'm awaiting my Foreman and water cooled PWNCNC spindle.
(2) 16' tubes or (1) 32'
@@RockhollowCNCServices no need to I used Hamilton's link in the description. I'd rather use his affiliate link since it's his content.
@@JasonC75 of course, I didn't notice it, sorry
@@RockhollowCNCServices no problem but thanks for the willingness to help. The maker space needs a helpful attitude towards one another.
You need a t-shirt that says "Mr. Transparency". Seriously.