The Haters Guide to CNC Machines | Watch Before You Buy!
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- Do you worry that a CNC is too expensive? Do you think it will be hard to learn how to operate a CNC? What can you make with a CNC? Are CNC machines a good investment for your woodworking business? I'll answer those questions and more in this video!
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0:00 CNC Buying Guide
1:22 Price of a CNC
5:37 Learning To Use a CNC
8:27 Are CNC Machines Hard to Use?
10:30 Picking the Right Size CNC Machine
12:10 What can You Make with a CNC?
13:44 Essential Bits for a CNC?
15:30 Material to Cut on a CNC
18:05 How Accurate is a Shapeoko CNC?
20:35 Shapeoko vs Other CNCs
22:35 Buy a Shapeoko 5 Pro
24:16 Shapeoko 5 vs Shapeoko 4 - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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Starter CNC Bit Kit - shop.carbide3d.com/731woodworks?redirect=/products/shapeoko-cutter-starter-pack
Nomad CNC - shop.carbide3d.com/731woodworks?redirect=/products/nomad-3?variant=32912906354749
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Free CNC Files at CutRocket - cutrocket.com
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total beginner question, is the painting done by hand or is there a way to incorporate painting in the cnc?
when you have a bunch of companies that offer the same thing, its customer support that sets them apart.
What Kevin said right away is NO JOKE. First off carbide 3d is a 5 star company for real. Insanely great service, and they make a really nice product. I started an etsy shop with my buddy for fun 1 year ago. Bought a $3k Shapeoko Pro 4 (no experience). Finished the year off with 20k profit. Took us about 3 months of learning, and listing ideas. Eventually we hit on a few ideas and within 3-4 months the machine paid for itself. A year later it 5x'd its value. Only thing we replaced was the carbide 3d router. $80 and the machine is humming like its new.
Great video, Matt. You brought up something that I think a lot of people overlook. Carbide 3D is a CNC manufacturer. They are using CNC machines to make CNC machines. This is much different than some of the other machines on the market that sell CNC machines where they are basically a marketing company. They don't make any of the parts. They just box the parts that were made somewhere else and ship them out.
Matt, I've been researching CNC machines. Am I planning ahead? Yes,... yes, I suppose I am, but it's part of being prepared for success. I do intend to purchase a CNC from these guys.
The most handy video to learn how to use a CNC in my opinion is This Old Tony's. Hands down the best. He had a hand in my learning for sure.
Thank YOU Thank YOU Thank YOU !!!!!!! This has been the very best instructional Buyers video I have seen . I have been checking many CNC companies and by the time you finish buying all the parts your 2 Grand or more into it . . Carbide CNC is really a COMPLETE CNC , NO CAR Salesman rig a ma roll . I really need to get into a Carbide CNC 5
I purchased the Shapeoko 4 XXL shortly after I retired and love it. Carbine Create is easy to use.
I’ve had a Shapeoko 3 XXL for a few years with no complaints. I could probably attribute any problems I’ve had to user error and learning experiences. While I don’t use it often at all, it is nice to have when needed. Their customer service is top notch.
They've been a top brand for a while now for the hobby market. Hard to compete with Onefinity right now though. If I was looking to start from nil, I would be after a Onefinity machine pre-owned fir half price.
I use the pink Owens Corning 2" foam insulation for making Halloween decorations like gravestones and pumpkins. Latex paint covers it in one coat.
The foam is very common in sign shops. I worked cnc for a sign company and we made ton for concrete work. You see them when street names and numbers are in concrete wall or building sides. you also make the names and logos. you do it reverse so when formed and pulled you can have a concrete or mortar inprint. then when removed it pops out and if remnants remain a brush is a quick fix
I love the idea of making those coins out of different metals. Would be super cool to create your own monetary system.
Graduated LVTI high school 1980 and went to work in a large manufacturing company United Shoe Manufacturing Corporation USMC in Beverly Massachusetts. Worked on a old horz and vert milling machine as a piece worker. The company was mainly old manual production and it's glory days were over and so was the industry of manufacturing. I did know CNC was the future and that was a wide open field but not just operation. After being layed off in 82 I landed a 3rd shift job that allowed me to learn computer programming on my own. Operation and set-up were no problem but I took home the program and operations book and studied. 20yrs old married and 2 infant kids made studying hard but I knew I had to do it. I moved from machine to machine either horz or vert milling centers but no lathes. I learned the different codes and what they did along with radius offsets in incremental tool offsets. The programs came from planning and cadcam but needed to be proven before put into production and I was given that job on 3rd shift. I interviewed for GE Lynn turbine division. That was old school manual machining and no large volume of parts. I walked into a Bay door and seen the largest gear I ever seen be set on a VTL. It turned out to be a bull gear for a CVN unit and I could not believe I was going to be working on the big boys. GE gear plant in Lynn MASS manufactured gearing for the U.S. NAVY'S carrier, submarines, destroyers and other vessels. All large machines needed the floors as tables and cranes. At 21 or 22 I never thought i would have this opportunity but I filled a nitch. Everyone was older and highly skilled machinist and wanted nothing to do with CNC. I was a machinist and still wanted to be taught their skills and worked hard. Completely different process from aircraft manufacturing that was modernized with new procedures yearly. The gear plant was the same as during ww2 and even the process of getting new parts to be machined was old. The machine I ran was a 4axis dev horz boring mill and after you loaded the program you had to watch line by line. I could be handed a program and read everything before hitting the on button. On a Friday night I came in and all types of upper management were around my machine because a major crisis was happening. They had installed a unit in a country and the primary gear flange cracked. They told planner and programmer to work all weekend but they needed this part with in a week. Seriously. This is how bad the process of putting a program together was in the gear plant. The day guy said he was not working on sat or Sunday and this was an attitude everyone had. After people left i told my supervisor I could have the part finished by morning if he trusted me. Simple bolt hole pattern and if I centered the part and put it to first location. THEN gave center location and number of holes along with drilling g code for drilling. 45yrs ago but after 12hrs both ends were finished and sent to inspection. That was how old school they were. Supervisor was given a trip to Mexico and I have no idea the story he told. A couple of months later I bid on a job that I was told to bid and got it. R25 7 axis CNC horz boring mill it was highest union classification and was RD classification with protection. This was the largest CNC horz boring mill in the country and for the next 2+ yrs I machined the high speed reduction gearing to be installed in ARLEIGH BURKE class destroyers. The union jobs went from 15k between aircraft and turbine to 3,500 aircraft and gear plant. Turbine left and factory of the future closed all because the union would not budge on classifications. I left manufacturing and worked for a large gas utility in a better job
For people interested in this and not afraid of some DIY work, MPCNC/Lowrider CNC is a great full-sheet capable entry-level project. PrintNC is an amazing step up, capable of aluminum and steel. Both have great communities with super helpful people.
The creativity muscle is so true. I never considered myself creative until I realised in my surgical work I was creating or recreating beauty. Carving and building with prosthetic materials and tissue. I then shifted my mindset and began to explore airbrush art and am now an artist.
My next step was 3d printing and looking around at what people design and then beginning to see all of the solutions I can create really was the next growth phase mentally for me. A CNC would be a similar shift I reckon.
I am so close to making the jump into CNC. Thanks for making a good, informative video on a brand I had not heard too much about.
Thank you Matt, good summary, and I think space is very important here. That's why I designed one with a small footprint. Please enjoy!
I’ve got 2 shapeokos, and about every accessory they sell. They are a great company with really good customer support. I have been extremely happy with them.
Did you test other machines?
@@adammcbride6159 yeah, but really cheap ones… I certainly can’t say, “they are the best CNC’s.” I will say, I’ve been very happy, have bought 2 of their machines, and their support is excellent.
@@joshuabray37 thank you for responding. I'm between the Shapeoko and the Longmill.
Great video! Thanks a lot, Matt. I had talked myself out of wanting a CNC. Now you've about convinced me to at least think about it again. 🤪 I need to rearrange stuff in my garage shop and see if I can make room for one. Happy Easter!
Great video Matt! I too am a big fan of Carbide 3D…Shapeoko Pro XXL model. I live south of the their headquarters…and agree…their customer service and the team are top notch! Keep the videos coming! God Bless and happy Easter!
Awesome video Matt! This company is truly what they say they are, I have an old shapeoko 3 and have used it a lot and it is still going. Their customer service is second to none!
Thanks Travis. I agree, they are doing things the right way.
Thanks for doing that trip out there. It's been on my mind to get something like this but had no idea where to start. I didn't want to put my hard earned cash on something that might not be so great. I'm now seriously thinking of investing in a Shapeoko.
I built a low rider 3 cnc. This machine is a beast. I spent about 600 buck’s building it and so far it’s accurate. It’s never going to as good as a 10,000 dollar machine but it works for what most people are going to do.
Great video. If I didn’t travel so much, a CNC would probably do me good. Had to have an arcade panel cut out and only one guy in my area and he’s booked until November!! Definitely money to be made in my area with one! Your content is great. Keep up the good work. I’m learning a lot from you. Thanks! 👍👍
Very good video I appreciate the information that was gone over here.
Your channel interest me and do alot of projects in my garage where your info and tips have been a huge help. This particular topic I happen to know quite a bit about I am a cnc machinest and that is my career. I am not using the routers however I once worked for a company where I bought several of these for them and did all the programming. The WIN software you use to program these is not hard all the M and G code is done in the back round. I found the hardest thing is tool rpm and the correct most efficient tool to use. Good video and Happy Easter
Great info all around! Thanks for making this
Glad it was helpful!
My dad was a river boat captain and did very little carpentry work. After he retired at 67, he bought a cnc for a hobby tool. 3 years later , he's making beautiful stuff. If he can do it with limited computer and woodworking experience, anyone can
Males of my generation and the prior one,except me, were all riverboat captains.
Really great video!
I looked into the little desktop model and I'm totally sold! The cabinet shop where I'm an apprentice hasn't gotten the memo that CNCs are the thing now and that little unit looks like a perfect way to get some experience. It seems the nomad would also help me realize my hobby/side hustle ambitions that are largely put on hold since my "personal shop" (actually just a carport) is outdoors and only usable in the summer. Pro tip: Don't live in giant cities if you're an aspiring woodworker.
I love to hear about companies with excellent customer service! That alone is often enough to sway me in one direction, despite what the product quality may be... but in my experience, the ones with great service can afford to do that because they can fall back on the excellent quality of their products!
Some day I would love to get into CNC, we’ll see ;)
👊🏻👊🏻 Well done vid on the CNC , Happy Easter
Thanks 👍 Happy Easter!
Great video Matt thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Great video, thanks. I have a fox alien masuter pro but I am looking for something bigger and faster. This definitely on my short list
It appears the equipment has come a long way, love the enthusiasm. It definitely has earned its place with crafting and wood working markets. Thanks for sharing Hope you had a great Easter!
Great video! You are a great man. You share so many things with others, so maybe they can also earn something from woodworking. That's so nice helping others! 🙏🏻
Thank you very much!
Thanks for making this video! I’ll have my first CNC in a few weeks!
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They make the machines that make their machines. It’s machine inception man. Great video idea
I want one SOOOOOOOOOO bad! God blessed me with the creative gene (or something), & I love designing things (& improving/modifying things). I used to program, operate, & supervise CNCs for a couple past jobs, & I loved it! One time, after hours, of course, my boss saw me heading to the CNC (again), & jokingly said something like, "I didn't know I was spending $350K for you to make cool things for yourself." Btw, those jobs were with plastic display companies, so acrylic, polycarbonate, & many other plastics. We hardly ever needed the Z-axis programmed for our components, so seeing today's technology & your 3D cut is VERY cool.
Oh, & I've HEARD that having that emergency STOP button is VERY handy. Having ONE decimal point in the wrong place could, hmm, maybe send a 2 1/2" double-fluted carbide bit into the table, bending its 1/2" shank.
I'm glad y'all also showed & explained metal substrates since I would def want to have that ability.
Thanx SO much!
Great video. I'm literally chomping at the bit every single day as I watch videos from my chair at work, as my Shapeoko Pro sits in my dream shop at home and I'm too busy to get out there and play. 100 mile per day commute to work and back and then get home feeling tired and other household maintenance, not to mention family responsibilities... you know the grind. 4 1/2 years til retirement, but if I have to wait that long I'm going to bust😢.
You know "the rock and hard place"... WANTING to walk 40 yards to work on something my heart has longed for, at the same time NEEDING the paycheck and medical insurance that comes with working for the man. Something tells me I'm not alone in this.
Ron, time to put a short timers calendar on your desktop(s).
I started with displaying 3 YEARS UNTIL RETIREMENT. It seemed that in no time I changed the screen to X MONTHs, then WEEKS. and finally DAYS.
AS NIKE and Matthew always tell you, "JUST DO IT". Then suddenly your retirement Paycheck is in the mail, medical is covered, and your chomping at the bit will be replaced by a sweet roll and coffee.
Thank you for the information about the CNC. I plan on being a hobby/family project woodworker. I have some ideas for a CNC. I can see the look I will get when I ask my wife to let me buy one more tool 🔧.
I am SOOO jealous of the cheap shipping you folks have in America. Up here in Canada, I couldn’t mail that little hunk of wood across the street for less than 25 bucks lol.
You’ve made my day! I’ve been trying to explain to my wife why I want one and finding a video that really explains it is tough. This is great, I’m showing this to her today!
Great to hear!
Trying to get round the missus would require the most advanced ai technology available!
Great video Matt, cant afford one yet but you've sold me on the Shapeoko ever since your first video that you did on the your Shapeoko 4 i think.
I love it, just can't swing the cost and room at the moment. Thanks for taking the time and expense to get us this first hand info. , Love your videos!
Thank you
I thank you for your candor, and your affirmations. “Don’t worry if you are not at your preferred skill level yet. Keep at it” Love this guys!
Great video, I'm almost to the point I want one.... almost
Thanks Matt! I'm about to pull the trigger on a CNC and start my own side hustle so this video is a great insight into the considerations facing most potential CNC buyers like me.
I just can't seem to get past the cost! IF my shop was doing more business (I do the few jobs I want to take on), I just don't generate enough income every year to plunk down for this.. but thanks for the video.. and the effort to at least address some of the issues.. and hopefully, it will just keep improving.
This video is an infomercial. CNCs are pretty cool though. Highly recomended.
I'm glad you went to them for this video and are getting to see what can be done with this machine. I'm a couple hours north of them and wondering could I go there and buy directly from them
I'm not sure if they sell out of that location. That's a manufacturing location that I went to. Send them a message on social media and see if that's something they do.
Pink foam also good if you do sand casting. Molten metal pours melt and replace the foam in a sand cast, just like wax used to be used.
Could you imagine that Iwo Jima set up in cast aluminum or brass? That would be amazing.
Thank you
Good to know.
I'm not a hater of these machines in the least, and hope to have one of these one day when the prices get more reasonable. The second these came out, I saw EXACTLY how the precision of these machines would provide a spectacular product, to certain buyers in certain industries. *However (and I make NO apologies for this, whatsoever), that's not what this video was about. Just because there's a little saw dust left over at the end of your product, does NOT mean this is "wood-working". I'm astonished that you even ATTEMPTED to try and make that point. Not only that, but that's a MASSIVE slap in the face to the few people left who DO still make labour-intensive products like what you showed in this video, by hand with traditional carpentry tools.* And, there are a lot of companies out there using these machines to make wood products, who are selling them at prices that you'd THINK would reflect the fact that they spent weeks working tediously with a chisel....thank you very much ETSY for starting that bullsh!t practice. Because, either they lie about how the product was made...or, they conveniently leave that info off the ad, altogether. Thankfully, that cat's out of the bag, which is a second big point. They day is coming to where everyone and their mother will own one of these machines, and it's product's prices will fall, while the CNC machines themselves will stay the same or get more expensive, because the machine has become more valuable than the products it makes. That's where all of this is heading.... *wood-working without a soul, at 3x's the price of something made by hand, so they can cover the monthly payment on a $20-50K CNC machine. Maybe one day one of those 4million (military aged male) illegal aliens that have come across our border the past 3yrs, to flee all that oppression, will be used to press the power button to save money* But, I digress...
I expected to see comments like this on every CNC related content and I am never disappointed. I know you started the comment by saying you are not hating on the machines and all and then followed up with exactly that. Hating.
Maybe it is because we are born in different times, but I fail to understand why people who do manual woodworking always find the need to hate on these machines. Why would you hate on something that is created to make lives easier?
I know some of the hate comes from the fact that they believe that since the CNC kind of closes the skill gap since all you need is basic knowledge of how to operate the machine and buy some files on etsy you can suddenly call yourself a woodworker. But that is where you're wrong. First of all not everybody is going to flood the CNC market just because woodworking has become much easier without the need to carve stuff yourself. Not everybody is interested on working with wood or cnc machining, technology is making things easier in all aspects of life it is not just woodworking, so people will just choose any sector they are naturally drawn to. As a woodworker you should be happy we are making such advancements in the industry, because already as skilled as you are, the machine gives you that much more advantage because you have the skillset to do wonderful things, you just need to translate that into the computer or mix both manual and machine woodworking. I can safely say that as easy as they paint CNC operating to be, it's got a steep learning curve on its own, and everybody who gets into it without the passion of creating, will never succeed in the industry.
I'm not trying to brag, but I showed by both how throw a football and they threw mostly perfect spirals with me and their GrandPa all afternoon. And they were 31/2 & 4 yrs old at the time.
Honestly, those prices are ridiculously cheap for that level of machine. I'm by no means a person that can go out and drop a few grand on something either. I've worked in machine shops most of my life and the $50k Haas Mill we had at the last job was considered to be on the cheap side (but still a wonderful machine). Obviously these "do less", but still, what you put in compared to what you can get out is amazing.
Also, as for the foam cutting, I've seen folks use theirs for more elaborate cosplay pieces, such as sculpting masks. While not a cnc router, OdinMakes does have a tabletop laser that he uses when he has a stupid amount of repetitive small things he needs to cut out.
One day I'll get one, right now I am focused on my Sawstop I am trying to buy soon.
I will not be buying a CNC. The fourth one I built is working just fine. 😉 Hywin linear rails, DC servo driven ball screws, water cooled spindle, and a fourth axis in either A or C orientation. The other 3 I built are also still working but sold them.
Hey, where dud you learn to build them?
@@razorsharpms Mostly just figuring things out on my own and doing a bit of research online. First two machines used stepper motors and acme threaded rod for motion, then switched to DC servos and ball screws for increased speed.
Do you know all-in on one what it cost you? Just the machine, not the laptop, or bits.
I have a Next Wave Shark machine (made in Ohio). More expensive and more accurate than Shapeoko, but the point is the same. There's a lot you can do with one of these. And there's a lot you can do with one that is faster and easier to do by hand. I often mix build approaches, using the machine to do the carving and intricate cutting with me following up on a router table or hand plane to complete the work.
It doesn’t have ball screws
Great & informative video! 👊🏽
Appreciate it!
Are the Carbide3D Shapeoko machines available for purchase in New Zealand and Australia, or can they be shipped there with NZ/Aus plugs 220 or 240 volt prongs?
Thank you for that video Matt. I want to get a cnc really bad. I'm struggling getting my wood shop off the ground. It's been 8 months now and I've barely sold anything so I'd live to get a cnc in hopes of that will change things and draw in more business. I'm just so in debt now from buying tools and materials and not having profit returns yet that I can't afford to buy one yet. I will one day tho
Hang in there Matthew. I would definitely recommend not going in dept to buy one. Save up and when your business is on its feet, then get one.
what about a larger one for slab/board flattening dust collection?
Great info! Do you have a promo code? I'm looking to purchase the 5 Pro, which will be my 1st CNC.
Recently found your channel and was curious if you’ve made a video talking about bar clamps vs parallels vs f clamps? Also saw your video on the table saws then the one on the skil, what’s your choice between dewalt and skil for table saws? Thanks and keep up the great work!
I'd go with the Skil if you want a full size 10 inch blade. The DeWALT is excellent if you are short on space.
I have the Shapeoko 3 XXL and LOVE it
Carbide SHAPEOKO ALL DAY
But can you pick up where you left off if the power goes out or if there is a snag of some sorts? I run the carbide pro and if my file is screwed up I have to start all over again and it maybe a 1.5 hour cut.
This video sold me on this cnc. Now I just need to sell my ATV.
I have been watching some of your tool buying videos for deals at the Big Box stores and Amazon along with some tool recommendations. A lot of us out of habit will buy into a battery powered tool line to keep the number of different brand batteries to a minimum. However, in buying these tools we soon end up with many battery chargers and batteries for that line. I am curious to know if you have found great deals on "bare" tools. No charger, no battery, just the tool? For myself I have bought into the Skil line. Thanks!
total beginner question, is the painting done by hand or is there a way to incorporate painting in the cnc?
1, yes, a decent sized one that can handle light duty aluminum cutting, i'm a steel frame away from throwing parts together, minus the spacing for the bearings, so they don't get overloaded... 1000x800x500, got the bolt patterns designed for a rotary table, can do a spindle tilt for 180degrees, about 1500 complete for the three axis... it's not that expensive to use cheap junk parts and upgrade later if money starts rolling in, i bought for the most part, the cheapest junk i could find in square linear rail. 2, hard to learn, if i ever upgrade to 4 or 5 axis, yes, 3 axis is REALLY easy, stupidly easy. 3, something niche, something not niche... reproduction/new architectural features for real old houses... and solid body guitar parts. 4, yes, a masterwork in good investment, some do plasma, some do waterjet(can do custom meat cuts with it), cnc... can swap heads to do large format 3d printing, plotting for signs and vinyl cutout, laser diodes or with much butt clenching a co2 laser(probably would want a second ultralight gantry swapon for that so the cnc doesn't vibrate it to death), you'd have to be a very limited individual to not come up with one thing that'll make enough money to repay the investment.
Great video! Only downside for me is 81 years of life experience. (But I am assured of where I go from here ✝️) Your work is much appreciated.
If people think that money will just start showing up then forget it. It is hard in the beginning to start any BUISINESS. If you have the no sleep till midnight attitude and understand building your brand is your future then go for it. My wife arrived 20+ yrs ago and never worked for anyone but herself and it paid off. You will never be happy working for someone unless you don't want to work
My decision would be so much easier if you had an option for a Masso Display and controller. 🙂 Love everything about the company and product, except having to provide a computer.
What about wanting to just make things for family and friends then maybe to sell in the future!?
I've started with a diode laser, but now I want a CNC. LOL!
I have been looking at a cnc machine but I find their use fairly limited in a general carpentry sense. If you are doing intricate patterns then of course they blow the socks of doing it by hand, but substitute for a saw, I think not.
Was someone suggesting a cnc mill is replacing a table or miter saw?
As someone in the metal section of CNC, i have become so desensitized to "spend money to make money" that it took me a while to understand what they were talking about.....
Just wait until you buy a 40 insert diamond shell mill. The "request quote" button is there to limit the amount of people who get a heart attack from seeing the price.
And yes, i made my money back on buying nearly 5 kg of diamonds in inserts
I would like to get this machine but I received my enquire feeb back that tell me just for the delivery to Australia is $1200.00 is very expensive also I assumed is US dollar. The company have any rep sales contact in Australia? Thanks
IM AN INTERNATIONAL CONSULTANT DESIGNER DESIGNING FURNITURES HOME DECORS AND MANY MANY DIFFERENT KINDS OF DESIGNS, FOR 32 YEARS .HAD WORKED IN REALLY BIG COMPANIES IN CHINA USA EUROPE INDIA KOREA PHILIPPINES AND ELSEWHERE..WHAT I SUGGEST TO WOULD BE BUYERS IS TO RESEARCH MORE ON THE TRENDY DESIGNS FUNCTIONALITY AND FINISHINGS ALSO MIX MEDIA MATERIALS TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING AND COST CUTTING TECHNIQUES
IN PRODUCING PRODUCTS.EXAMPLE MINIMAL DESIGN ELEMENTS USING CNC'S.ALSO PROPER SOURCING OF MATERIALS TO USE ON PROJECTS. IF YOUR CNC IS TO BE USED IN SMALL FURNITURES MAKE SURE THESE ARE KNOCK DOWNS SO THAT IT IS FRIENDLY PACKING AND EASY TO TRANSPORT AND CHEAPER. FOR ME CNC IS A VERY GOOD MACHINE IT IS HOW YOU PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT KIND OF PRODUCTS TO CREATE THAT MATTERS.
I would really like to know the difference between these machines and the fox alien? Fox alien has a few machines more in my price range but what exactly am I missing out on in what I can make?
FoxAlien is pretty good. But frankly I would have settled for shapeoko given the chance, their user support is supposed to be very good (very important for a novice). However they don’t sell to India, so I had to settle for FoxAlien. Now the FA has a pretty good build quality, ballscrews, dual heavy duty linear carriages. The build quality is pretty solid. We mill aluminum in it, and it’s working pretty good so far.
The stock spindle is under powered for aluminum, will be upgrading to 1.5Kw water cooled one later
Hey Matt! I would like to know. What is the power requirement? Do you need a 220 outlet to run these?
The Shapeoko 4 and below use 110v. The Shapeoko 5 can do either 110 or 220. I’m running my 4 on 110 and will run the 5 on 110 as well.
Howdy Mr. 731...
I liked the video. As you may or may not remember "my" life story, but I worked at a CNC shop for about 4 years, maybe 5, I dunno...
Learned how to run, operate and WRITE my own programs in less than 4 months. We typically did plastics for the oil fields.
Anyways...As to the question "What would you use shaping the foam for"?
There were alot of times that the engineers/architects of whatever business had an idea but wasn't sure if it was what they wanted or would even work. And because you can't usually just buy a small sheet of HDPE or some other tough plastic, you had to buy the entire sheet which was usually 5' x 10' and cost around $500 or more....We would take their design and cut it out on that same Pink Panther insulation foam boards and make a test piece. $30 bucks to test it out vs. $500.
We did an entire sign for a Japanese restaurant (very very very high end restaurant down here in Houston) that had mountains and trees carved into it...did the whole thing out of foam and then the owners came down to inspect the design and quality (Man, those high end Japanese folk dress SHARP)(probably a years salary of mine for one of those suits).
Anyways....They approved and a week later we got a shipment of EXTREMELY expensive Corrian, I mean this stuff was HIGH dollar. The trucking company had their own forklift attached to the back end of the truck and insisted that THEY do the moving.
Once it was actually all completed, we received pictures of it being installed. It looked badass. It was all back-lit with color changing lights. Looked really cool. I'll have to send you pics.
Also...Totally different but kinda the same topic...That foam can be used in aquariums for making a rock wall. I've done it myself. After it's shaped, you add cement that's been a bit watered down and you brush it on like paint. Let it dry then actually paint it with Krlon, black, white, grey colors and it comes out looking just like natural stone. With the cnc, you can go hog wild with your aquarium motiveè.
So...Yeah....LOTS of stuff you can do with the cnc and foam at a very low cost.
Awesome Mike! Thanks for sharing!
@731 Woodworks
What is the hourly rate that you have in your head when you talk "time on task" for someone doing design, and labouring at the machine?
I consider a business to be something I do not have to work in, I work on it.
How scalable is CNC do you think as its own thing, not an extension of a professionals woodshop.
I design small accessories for Festool/Milwaukee tools and espresso machines that are a pathway for me to learn CAD and 3D printing while making some money back on parts I design for my own use. I don't see this as scalable though if I make a job for myself. The sales have to scale and become the business and brand so a small amount of relative design/investigation on product is then followed by high ongoing demand.
I think the US is unique in the way people buy these products. Signs, flags, personalised wooden things for the wall etc, never see any in the UK.
Interesting. So what do people use CNCs for in the UK?
@@731Woodworks When I can figure that out I will buy one and exploit it. 😁
If you are low on space, consider wall mounting it.
Matt I want this
Do you have a link
Yes, link in the description and pinned comment.
Because of this video I'm going to buy a Shapeoko 5 Pro.
Is there any way to give you credit for it?
Thank you! Just use the link in the description of this video and I will get credit for it.
not ragging on you but either your really short or kevin is really tall which is it HAHA love the videos man keep it up
lol Kevin is tall. Former olympic volleyball player. I'm 5'11" More on Kevin here nbcsportsgrouppressbox.com/bio/kevin-barnett/
Matt!, Matt....Matt....*why does he do this*~~~while I'm shaking my head~~~ (and I'm check my bank account...) Great Review, Sir. Encouraging. Maybe one of these days...after I invest in a planer.
Is this the same type of machine as a glowforge?
no, a Glawforge is a laser, this is a CNC. CNC uses a router to cut the wood whereas the Glowforge uses a laser to engrave or cut thin wood.
Great commercial. Hope you get something for it
I got to visit a great company and make a video that I wanted to make. So, I guess you could say I got a great experience out of it.
Will these CNC machines engrave aluminum sheets?
Never really answered the number 1 question: price. For those of us that are not into woodworking as a business that is very important.
2300 to 4k. Not as expensive as I had thought. I will probably make a 3d printed one first like an mpcnc, and once I am comfortable with it move up to something nicer. I tend to get excited about things and then it sits not being used for months.
I have a shapeoko 3 xxl collecting dust. Doesn't cut square. Sadly, all I've made is a spoil board. That was probably 3 years ago
I feel ya. You're singing from my hymn book. 😢
This machine vs a glowfordge?
Depends on what you’re wanting to make. More laser or laser etching, go for the Glowforge. More wood cutting and engraving (especially thicker woods, get a CNC. You can attach lasers to these machines as well.
Looked in to CNC previously then found that the necessary software like VCarve, VCarvePro, or Aspire added hundreds of dollars if not thousands to the cost and totally confused me which one I should buy not to mention even scared me more as how to learn them as I'm in my 70's not a teen ager.
I am 65 years old. I bought a Longmill CNC this year. I also bought VCarve. Awesome software. Unbelievably awesome software. Don’t hold back. You’re only getting older. Enjoy!
Michael, Carbide Create is free to download and use with the Shapeoko machines.