Hot Hatch Shootout - BMW M140i vs Audi RS3 vs VW Golf R w/ Tiff Needell. Part 1
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- Head to head with three of the finest (German!) hot hatch cars money can buy - the BMW M140i, Audi RS3, and Volkswagen Golf R.
Tiff Needell and Paul Woodman are once again joined by Ryan Cullen who each put the cars through their paces to see which deliver, and which disappoint, in a very wet and windy Wales.
This is Part 1 of a 3 Part series and incredible track action including Tiff going sideways and a mystery face off will follow in future Hot Hatch Battle videos, so be sure to subscribe to catch the next episodes.
Is the BMW M140i faster than the Audi RS3? Does the VW Golf R handle better than the BMW M140i? Is the Audi RS3 quicker in a straight line than a Volkswagen Golf R? Can you drift an Audi RS3 or VW Golf R? Is a BMW M140i the best car for drifting? Find out all within this incredible 3 part 2018 Hot Hatch Shootout series!
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Which one would you take? (and what's your take on 18:10 TBC?!)
Lovecars Bmw cause I like Rwd. All of them are great though.
can't wait for the TBC...team test is back! ;)
Well I am in the states so the bmw is out they don’t sell the M1 here :/ is still take the golf R the price is right for what you get the Audi is just to damn much
Lovecars tiff glad you are making more videos missed you been watching fifth gear over here in the states since I was young always had to find ways to watch it
I love the 5 pot layout, they are special. I own a Volkswagen Jetta 2.5, and will definitely want to upgrade to an Audi RS3 for that sweet sweet engine sound that only an inline 5 can produce.
They should’ve used the S3 instead of the RS3. That’s a closer comparison to the R and M140
We wanted the S3 and Golf R hatchback. Sadly we're currently perceived as being a very small channel and get very little manufacturer support, so we sometimes need to fit a square peg into a round hole. Thanks for the feedback and comments 👍
That's what I thought. You take what you're given... I wouldn't complain if someone handed me the keys to a rs3 lol
I am sure if Tiff walks into a dealership they would give him any car he wanted. You guys needs to make more videos at a faster rate and the channel will explode. Your current upload rate is shocking. There are single youtubers working alone with nowhere near the talent putting vids out at a much higher rate. Which is a shame.
lol bruv the s3 goes with the GTI
ElMehdi snoussi - That's cute... Come back when you have an idea...
The rs3 should be compared to the m2 based on price. Really the s3 would have been a bettet comparison.
Yes you’re right. The Golf R hatchback wasn’t available. We wanted the S3 also, not RS3
and also a caravan...its not a hatchback....
M140i for me. Last of a dying breed.
One of the guys helping on this shoot thought so also and ending up buying one!
Lovecars I did exactly the same 3 months ago via following Joe Achilles’ channel. I’m taking delivery of mine in 2 weeks.
You will love it I assure you 😉
NFoxtv I’ve been following your content too, mate. All of which gets me so excited to have one sitting on the drive shortly!
Bamby Choi let me know when you get it, love to hear your initial feedback 🙂
Absolutely epic especially given the weather! Great to have another honest review on 3 current, brilliant hot hatches. Can't wait for episode 2!
Thank you very much. Part 2 is epic!
remember the days when a hot hatch had around 120 bhp, skinny tires and a price every one could afford?
For sure!
Gti 1.8 8 valve civic si 92 Good old days bro
Pay the price for the performance these hatchbacks are doing 0-60’s supercars were in those days
@@maximechevalier1923VW Golf vr6 highline I had one in 1999, awesome car.
VW Corrado (any model)
Great review & I'm with Tiff... M140i, keeping things simple and classy :)
Thank you! Part 2 is epic :)
Great work as usual lads thanks
Thank you! In your homeland once again!
Guess I'll just have to procrastinate for another 18 minutes....love this channel.
Ha! Thank you very much. Lots of good stuff coming
Looking forward to part 2!
Thank you guys! Part 2 is epic!
Where is part 2?
Lovecars where is part 2?
Now live!
Live 😬
Another great video guys! 👍
Thank you very much. Lots more to come! 👍
I've watched this to help me decide which of these cars to go buy, I've always leaned towards the M140i and think this will be my choice. I also love how this was filmed two minutes from where I'm from, the road from Ebbw Vale to Llangynidr is an epic road to drive, not so much in the wet or even worse in the snow, I wouldn't recommended that.......
Hi Jamie - thanks for watching and for the message. Lovely part of the world you live in! Given the weather you get there I think the AWD option is good... but you can't beat the M140i for fun!!!!
I have had the m140i since April and love it! Will be interesting to see how I'm feeling about that in the middle of winter though!
Either lots of fun or very nerve racking!
love it..! looking forward to part 2 guys..
Thanks Paul. Part 2 is epic!
Cracking vid guys. RS3 for me every day of the week and twice on Sunday !
Petrol Ped thanks Ped! 👍
Welcome back Team, Audi for me and look forward to part 2. 👍🇦🇺
Thanks as always Bondy! 👍
Great video! Plus points for having the RS3 in my ideal spec!
thank you. Love this spec too
Finally some track time! That's what we want to see! Nice.
Cheers! Lots of sideways action to come!
To shame the Golf R’s interior is foolish. The Golf R is WAY nicer than its competitors (WRX STI, Focus RS, Veloster N, etc) obviously it’s not going to be nicer than the BMW or the Audi, but come on. Great sound system, nice leather, very classy. Not everyone wants red suede and and cheap items to make the car seem sportier. The Golf is done right.
I agree, when they compare the R to the other cars, its not even the same class. But I'm under 30 and really love the R, I'd take the Beemer if it was available in Canada :S Also I can't believe they talked down to the digital cockpit in the VW, like whaat?! you can change it up how you want, not just "Big numbers!"
Totally agree..
Latest ones are definitely overrated.
Sorry, its took 5 year to respond but, i can only now maybe afford a used M140i. But the Golf R is a propa nice motor and I'm still not 100%on what I want. Also the golf's interior is really nice, you gotta think these presenters like Tiff Needell are so used to driving high end motors. I think they should have waited for the Golf R hatchback. It would have made a massive difference to their opinion.
In Canada for 2019:
Golf R $45,000
Audi S3 $56,000
BMW 240 $61,000
Audi RS3 $71,000
Our trims and such don't line up with the UK...but since there is really nothing performance wise between the R and the S3 and the R is a hatch while the S3 is a sedan, I went with it. Getting a Stage 1+ added for less than $1,000 CAD and I will be performing at RS3 levels. That is the reason I went with the R ( AWD in the Canadian winters also was a factor). If I had the money though, the RS3 would be in the driveway as the I5 turbo is glorious...
I just got an M140I and let me tell you it is absolutely amazing to drive!
Nice 👍
Thanks men, great video.
After recently watching random vlogs here,seeing Tiff regularly on them,suddenly reminded me of the ol 5th Gear,in a very good way! As i always had a thing for sports,hyper cars,with the Countach posters and what not,and being able to watch people share their thoughts about it on tv was just what i needed,but then when Tiff left,it wasn't the same,as it lacked that bond,specially with Vicky as well... so i then went onto TopGear,and the rest was history!
M140i, sold! Fun wins out every time! Need to get on that rwd & straight 6 before it goes boring 2l 4x4 in the new model! 53k for a hot hatch is just laughable. Great Vid, can’t wait for pt.2!!
Thank you Adam. Part 2 is epic!
You see people say that.....but then people spend billions of $ a year trying to make their cars go faster and sound better.
On a race track the m140 is probably more fun.......
But the rs3 is just so much faster all of the time, doubly so in day to day life.
Straight line speed and traction matters more to people than they might be willing to admit.
There is a reason the dct m2 outsells the manual 5 to 1, its far faster and much better.
Many people can only have one car, and if you need to actually live with it, the rs3 is the easy choice. Its mich faster in daily life, equal around a circuit, sounds better and despite what tiff thinks, is way better inside.
stinger15au Thats your ‘opinion’ and one that I’d completely disagree with!
Adam Richards people spending billions is not an opinion, its a fact.
People want to go fast. That's how it is.
Sure there is fun cars, but ultimately speed matters. That is a fact.
Had the M135i a couple of years ago, was great. But they don't come with an LSD! It's annoying, but you can activate the electronic fake LSD which controls slip via the rear brakes. I found it was pretty hit and miss. When it worked it was amazing but if it didn't then it was like an old skool RS turbo front dif. The rear end jumping about all over. Here in Australia the LSD was a $5k extra. I loved the ZF 8 speed box in the BMW. It's the same gearbox that my boss' Aston Martin has. Lightning quick shifts and no clutches to worry about either. I have a new Audi A3 right now and gearbox had warranty repair on it after 10 months from new. Apparently Audi used the wrong friction material (resulted in chirping noises on gear changes).
But if torque converter gearboxes can shift that quick, like the ZF in the BMW then dual clutch gearboxes are really not needed! The new Golf R apparently has wet clutches which is somewhat better I suppose.
Greetings from Canada!. I wish the M140i was available in my country because there are nice specs and upgrades you guys can do in the UK to this car. RS3 is way too expensive here and the one you showcased is loaded. My solution: I bought a Golf R 2018 mK7.5 and got an APR stage 1 ECU and TCU upgrade with high torque. RESULT: 370 hp and 383 ft-lbs of torque. less expensive and now it is a rocket! That is plenty for a small car and lots of fun! Cheers!
Greetings from the UK! One of our cameraman is from Canada (kind of - it's a long story!). Thanks for the nice words and the perfect sounding solution! (BTW Part 2 is going to be epic!)
Love my 2013 golf r 4 door with manual transmission. Might not do the quarter as quick as a dsg but it’s fun to drive
Great soundtrack. Well done on the hard slog Capturing this footage for our viewing pleasure!
Loved the racing driver excuses bit! 😂😂😂
😂😂😂 Standard!
Love Tiff. Grew up with his voice on my BTC game!
Thanks! Plenty more of Tiff to come 👍
Tiff is old skl with super friendly energy, always heart warming to watch
Thanks
How I have I never seen any of your vids before? Great channel. Insta-subscribed!
Thank you! Very glad to have you as a subscriber!
Rick Maloney Tiff is Here WTF
all the great weather we have had and you pick a day when its pissing down!
Sunday evening and a new Lovecars notification....awesome, thank you
You must be East of us... it's breakfast time in the UK! Thanks for watching as always
Lovecars...in Melbourne Australia.
Love the content.
Love Melbourne. One of the best city's in the world. (especially if you like sport!)
4, 5, 6 cylinders.
Great to see Tiff here.
Nice work team. 👌
Thank you! 👍
Is that even a question? This edition RS3 is absolutely a fking monster, no matter in track or drag race.
I think the R Estate in that guise is gorgeous. Performance wise, the BMW is better and the Audi is streets ahead. But with the Audi being almost £20k more, what would you expect? Good video though!
P.s It’s always raining in God’s country!
Ha! It certainly rained on this day! Thanks for the refreshingly nice comments
I think a lot of people are missing the idea of a hot hatch looking at these comments, the Golf is outclassed here, the Audi is typical Audi ridiculously overpriced( in fact by the time you spec it to perform like this one you are pushing BMW M4 money🤔), the M140 isn’t even in the same class as that Audi and yet when it comes to track driving it will likely be quicker, it’s also rear drive and unbelievably fun to drive, really why would you pick anything other than the Beemer, it’s the definition of hot hatch, reasonably priced, reasonably practical (if you worry about that sort of thing) and above all hugely quick and incredibly fun!
Arent hot hatches suppose practical to use AND practical on the wallet as well? Does the Golf R get no points for being a good few grand cheaper than the BMW?
Nice comment. Thank you. You’re right but sadly with our channel is very hard at the moment to compare exactly like for like and we need to just accept any car we can get.
bmw is cheaper than the golf r, especially when you spec extras
Lovecars this was very enjoyable to watch the guys were good and it was all done in a very honest, fun and informative way, so keep up the good work, I will definitely be subscribing 🍻
onkouth It's also a bit rubbish in the wet and goes to pieces slightly on lumpy British roads at anything approaching high speed :/ But it's great value for money.
Probably my favorite channel from now. Never knew you existed. I would rate you better than Top Gear and yes the Grand Tour also
Okay, let’s just put an rs3 right next to the golf R. Even though the S3 shares the same engine and everything as the golf R
TheSovietHotDog Yes, We wanted S3 and standard Golf R hatchback, but we’re given these
Great video. Shame the weather was so bad as the 140i in the dry is a different car!
Part 2 on the track was much drier and the BMW was..... [you'll have to wait and see!]
Tease!
I always liked Tiff 👍🏻
Hi Marcel. Good to hear. I'm sure he would like you too :) 👍
Loved it
Thank you Emmet, much appreciated
Sounds incredible, better than vast majority of v6’s and v8’s in my opinion!
I've had my Golf R Estate Wolfsburg for about 3 weeks now. Best car I've had hands down. Sh!ts all over the ton of falcons, commodores, statesmans and hsv's I've had.
Wow wondered what you was on about, till I realised your Australian or NZ, but I'm betting Aussy
@@carstentonnies7380 very Aussie mate
Remember children: Understeer scares drivers, oversteer scares passengers
Nice reviews! First person I've ever heard criticise the noise of a m140i
Love the channel boys.The Audi is obviously the one to have if you can afford it, but £50k is crazy money for a hot hatch!
Thanks! And yes £53k with a few extras. We’re doing a lower budget hot hatch soon
£50k in canadian dollars the third of small condo in Montreal
Picking up an M140i in a few days, compared it to the Audi S3 but enjoyed the M140i so much more!
'Unfortunately he enjoyed it so much he forgot.' 😂😂😂
Ha! We all loved that car!
Lovecars Audi S3 Sportback would have been more suitable in terms of price. But the RS3 is definitely the one to have!
I'm going to wait for the 2019 m140i with updated styling etc
I would get the rs3, nice video guys!
Thank you. And good choice!
Have an S3 in that same blue colour. It looks so well.
Great stuff guys and looking forward to part 2 ! 👍
Thank you Jonathan. Part 2 is epic!
considering the m140i isn't available here in the states, i chose the RS3, though i seriously considered the M2. it's styling is definitely more eye catching than the Audi's, but when i drove the M2 I missed the raw power of the RS3, and its quatro AWD.
Great video again.
Should have got the hatchback golf r tho 😉😂
Thanks! And we tried with the hatchback!
Should have got the A45, which is the BEST hot hatch of them all. And the most powerful 4cyl production engine in the world.
Paul Taylor can’t beat a 5 cylinder noise tho
When’s Part 2 out?! Can’t wait already 😁
This week. Thank you!
Lovecars Sweet! Any chance of getting hold of a RS4 for a video? Would love to hear all your thoughts on it! Another flat bottom wheel for Tiff🤣
The golf all depends on where you are trading from, if you trade up the golf is a great car but if you’re trading down then you’re left disappointed
Very good point
Love good old Tiff. Just wish Nikki joins the Lovecars crew. Great channel guys. I would have the M140i all the way. Has the most character, is available in a manual 6 speed the one I will have and rear wheel drive and it is easily tuneable. Also a bonus 45 MPG!!!!
Thank you! (Who's Nikki?)
Lovecars hahahaha. I mean Nikki Butler-Henderson. She is also very enthusiastic.
Terrific Tiff😎
Thanks! He’s not too bad 😬
Lovecars he could see straight passed the bling and trinkets of the RS3 and the all wheel drive systems favoured by the paddle shifters and favoured the Ultimate Driving machine 😎... BMW
All 3 are "Gran Turismo" GT Hot Hatches, no track tools. So among the Gran Turismos I take the RS3.
1. "Brute Force" 2. five cylinder and 3. AWD winter capable
Nice choice and analysis!
Estate R doesn’t do it justice at all, back end of a Passat is so ugly compared to proper hatch. Also look at the price of the RS3. The Golf R is probably more a competitor for the S3. BMW and AUDI are now premium brands. The Golf R is not necessarily the fastest but it’s an incredible car. And you don’t get as much hassle from boyracers and you can turn up to work without looking like a poser because the untrained eye just sees golf. Got to live with one to fully appreciate. I smile every time I open the garage and get in. Love it.
We wanted the S3 and Golf R hatchback. Sadly we're currently perceived as being a very small channel and get very little manufacturer support, so we sometimes need to fit a square peg into a round hole. Thanks for the feedback and comments 👍
Why does tiff want a round steering wheel for? Does he still use the push and pull method 😂😂😂
Subscribed although I am still confused why an entry level Golf R (estate too) with no extras against a RS3 with all the extras ? Bit unfair ... surely a Golf R with the performance pack (hatchback) is a fairer test ? 🤔
We couldn't get hold of a standard Golf R and essentiality use whatever we get from the relevant manufacturers to the best of our ability. Ideally should have been S3 too. Thanks for subscribing and for the comments
Lovecars if you ever require a factory spec E39 M5 or Golf R hatch stage 2 for a video let us know 😎
Just wait until VW release the hybrid Golf. Supposed to have 400 to the wheels and sub 4s 0-60. RS3 territory. . .
You guys mentioned about the sound (or lack of) in BMW. You guys need to try one with Akrapovic catback with the fake ASD noise off. It completes the car.
Should compare S3 against GTI and M140i, similar price range. RS3 is a lot more expensive than the other 2
Yup for sure. The S3 and standard Golf R (hatchback) weren't available from their respective manufacturers
then there`s absolutely no point in conducting a test if you can`t get like for like vehicles
Not really = They've taken the top model from the respective ranges
Golf R ❤❤❤
5:53 "Of course they're dependable [...]"
... excuse me? lmao
Ha! We make low budget "one take" videos. Of course we all have a PhD in hindsight and wouldn't say some things like this that are very obvious :)
Hahaha no worries! I totally understand that sentiment. Great video, don't mind me; just poking a little fun :P
One will go down as a classic. The other 2 will be completely forgotten
I have a 2-series coupe and I've never liked the 1-series. I just think it looks a bit crap looking at it head on at the front. All their other cars look great though, especially the coupes.
The seats in the BMW are great too. They don't look flashy or anything but they really hug your sides.
Great video. Audi RS3 for me!
Thank you and good choice!
I would love to see a 2nd hand budget version of this hot hatch series.. not all off us have £40,000 to play around with.
:)
Coming up!!!! Filming the whole ‘budget’ range at the end of August
Kudos to the wet cameraman for the epic shots.
Thank you! Tiff said it was the wettest day filming he’s had in 30 years!
When was this filmed? Hasn't rained in about 3mths
Well spotted. You're the only one to mention this! Was filmed a couple of months ago
RS3 is the best car but at that price it has to compete with the M2.
The RS3 is a rocket ship for the road, is more practical and an all around better road car while the M2 would be slightly more fun if you were a skilled enough to drive it proper fast and would be a lot more focused on track.
Me being not a overall skilled driver I'd have the RS3 as it would make me feel like i'm amazing even though it's the car doing all the work.
Yes slightly wrong cars. Ideally should have been S3. We’re only a small channel so can’t call many shots in with borrowing cars yet. And same as Paul and a few of us with RS3 choice
I miss the real hot hatches, the Golf GTI and the Pug 205,those things were amazing(bring back the 80's)
Agree. These were good times. Looking to resurrect a few nostalgic videos of these
toohottie001 hi mate, i totally agree. I got clio 182 and luckily a golf Mk7 r. I still prefer the clio 182 for the drive as i know what the car is doing. These modern hot hatches r fast just executive cruisers!!! I know exactly what my clio is doing when i drive it... and i ❤ the raw power compared to generic sound! 👍
2 hot hatches and a wagon
you should add the jeopardy music for tiff and his explanations :D
All is good cars. BMW M140i manual RWD if you want to have fun and use skills.
You know your spoiled when a Golf R doesn't make you smile,...good God!
Ha! It's all relative. Against different cars we would have been fighting over it!
Subscribed
The comparison should be between Audi RS3, Merc AMG A45 and BMW M2 for hyper hatches! Or if you wanted hot hatches then Golf R, Focus RS and Audi S3, that would make more sense. Good fun though and Tiff is just the best!!!
Thank you. And yes, that would've been the ideal match up for sure. Hopefully next time! Did you see Part 2 on the track? Much better :)
Should be the S3 vs the rest not a RS3, and certainly shouldn't be a golf R estate
Luke Wardle Hi Luke. You’re right. We wanted S3 and standard Golf R hatchback, but we’re given these
Was still a good video though defiantly subscribed
exactly!!! - the poorest form of the R they could've taken out! (longer wheelbase and at least 80kg heavier!!) that's a lot of extra weight in the corners!!.. the RS3 completely in a different league and should only really be compared with the A45 - a better comparison would have been: Golf R hatchback DSG, M140i hatchback Auto and Audi S3 Stronic..... this is just another pointless video trying to compare apples and oranges!!
They should make a clubsport version of RS3 like the unique A1 clubsport quattro >.
No idea whether I like the Golf R or not yet as I still haven't driven one. But to be fair it's the estate version of the R up against two hatchbacks. Hardly similar and hardly stands a chance against the RS3 and BMW 1 Series.
18:10 looks like you guys are having fun 😁
Part 2 is EPIC! Can't wait to share it with you 😁
I'm already excited
Where is the focus rs (this is also German incase you didn't know lol)
How do you guys have such great cinimerography??? Is this an actual tv show or something?
I would definitely go for the M140i if I could
Nice car
In my hometown burry port 👍 was that Pembrey race track at the end?
Why the Estate? Standard Golf R is much better and faster
Yes spot on, we wanted the standard Golf R but sadly this was all we could get hold of. Shame really
pointless even using the golf R its not even close too the rs3 and m140i bhp should of done a45 amg would of been better
Yes for sure; but at least you got to drive my dream hatch the RS3. Sadly this beauty of a machine is not available in the US. DSG Golf R with a stage 1 can keep up with the RS3, but still that inline 5 cylinder has a beautiful sound. Love your channel keep up the good work guys!
you having a laugh? rs3 is 60 bhp more it wouldnt.
mike walling th-cam.com/video/2-L8DdwQgys/w-d-xo.html
This is the only honest review about the Golf MK 7!! I bought a brand new GTI Clubsport last July after driving an MK6 GTI for 6 years which was fantastic. My God was I disappointed with the built quality of the Clubsport! Road noise, wind noise, cheap interior materials, bits falling off and suspension ratlling and squeaking!! From a brand new VW! They have clearly cut corners to save costs!! Sold it and bought a BMW 140i...can't be happier :) the RS3 is nice but far too expensive!
Please do the Audi RS7 whether It's the 2020 Model, or the 2017 model, I'd love to see your opinions on it.
Would love to. Will try hard to convince the nice guys at Audi to let us test one soon
Lovecars That would be great, cheers! Awesome channel by the way 👍
I'd be interested to hear Tiff's opinion on the Audi vs BMW steering. BMW has always been the drivers car but my M140i's steering is very numb even though it is sharp and accurate you can't feel what's going on. My previous S1 had good steering feedback and feel. Has the RS3 got the better steering over the BM?
BMW M140i will be the one that will be remembered in years to come - straight 6 and RWD, others instantly forgettable. And the Audi is a ludicrous 55 grand!
Our cameraman agrees. He bought the bmw off the back of this!
Hot hatches are best with a manual stick shift..........perhaps test these next (on a dry day).
Sadly not many come with a manual option these days. And yes for dry day please! 👍
The Mercedes A45 AMG and Honda CIvic Type R are glaring omissions from this competition
Yes but we were unable to get either for the shoot
All great cars. But I would be expecting a good few of those Audi options as standard on an RS spec car. 10k more, come on!!!!!!
Sometimes feel Audi,etc just rip the arse out of it.
You're right - but it's not unique to just Audi. They're all the same :)
You'll need to get your mitts on the Hyundai i30n. Supposed to be a weapon. Wipes its arse with a Gti golf.
Which one do I want money no object? The RS3 with every option, just much more special than the others. Which one would I buy? The Golf R estate, I think its a phenomenal car for the price, so much so I'm buying one once lockdown is over.
Would also have been interesting to know there opinions if they had all driven the R before driving the other 2
why didnt u include Merc? I wished you had replaced it with R
Yes us too. We couldn't get an AMG sadly