NEW BMW M2 vs 2023 Audi RS3 - NOT WHAT I EXPECTED!
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In this video I have the pleasure of comparing the new G87 generation BMW M2 with the current 8Y generation Audi RS 3.This video wouldn't have been possible without the refreshingly open minded perspective of the BMW UK press office and the generosity of Ed, Nathan and the team at APS in Brackley.
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PLEASE NOTE - I try and avoid watching loads of reviews before I have to do my own as I like to come to my own conclusions (having been a proper motoring journalist in the past for VW Driver and Audi Driver magazines) but I do watch them afterwards and of the 2 I have watched (Harry's Garage and STG) both refer to the weight as either 1700 or 1725 kg. I stated 1800 kg which is the figure I got from the Engine/Technical data section on the M2 configurator which states "Unladed Weight (EU) 1800 kg". I didn't use the vehicle info supplied by the BMW Press Office as the prices shown had increased significantly since the vehicle was registered in May (approx. £5k in total) so maybe that was where they go it from. The manual gearbox option has pretty much doubled too with most reviews quoting £500 ish, it now increases the cost from £65830 to £67030 (£1200), all prices quoted were from the BMW UK configurator as listed in December 2023.
This video can be divided into the following sections;
0:00 teasers
0:15 graphics @haslerdesigns
0:18 what this video is about
1:16 how to support the channel
2:26 M2 vs RS3 - on paper
6:19 RS3 exterior tour
8:29 M2 exterior tour
11:13 RS3 interiour tour
15:50 M2 interior tour
26:37 Driving the RS3
31:23 Driving the M2
40:52 Opinion on which I prefer & why
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I would take M2 over RS3 without a doubt. Personally I like the looks of G87 M2
Same here they look awesome. RS3 is dull
@C22RLD We will see how well they sell in comparison lol! You say dull, but guaranteed the M2 isn't winning any beauty contest!!
Wouldn’t like the look of your girlfriend then
@@dash-kt7uf hope you're happy with your boyfriend
@@speeddemon311 rs3 neither
I own a 2022 G80 M3 comp xdrive and a 2023 RS3 8Y (both with all options ticked). The M3 is stock. The RS3 has an Eventuri + Stage 2 JB4. The RS3 wins 0-100 km/h and 100 - 200 km/h. Both cars run 290 km/h from the factory. I have only driven the new M2 once, but if i compare a stock M3 comp with a slighly tuned RS3, the RS3 wins the bang for the buck chapter by a huge margin (!) That said: BMW has a way better chasis, damping, comfort, road presence and prestige. Overall both cars are great. I do enjoy the RS3 more than i do enjoy the beamer.
@@speeddemon311 I would say quite bad, at least feels like it. I have driven the VZ5 Formentor, RS3 and have a ‘normal’ Formentor in the family. Interior in the Formentor looks nicer and feels more special and expensive for some reason. The touch display is annoying but I’ve gotten used to it. M2/3/4 feels much more expensive, newer and special to be in
@kaurvali Great to hear that OP prefers his RS3 to his bimmer that says a lot to me!!😀
Iam supprised you said the bmw has the better damping.and comfort
Does your car have the adaptive suspension
@stephenpearson8720 Yeah, I know for a fact that the RS3 has better damping, and suspension set up is just more comfortable! RS3 has been said to have one of the best adaptive suspensions than most sports cars out there today!
@@stephenpearson8720 the damping of the M3 is way more capable in terms of sporty driving. The RS3 damping is way more comfortable and has a larger spread between comfort and dynamic, but it lacks feedback in dynamic.
Is it me or is there just something about that 5 banger sound? For me you can’t beat that sound. Not saying I don’t like the straight 6 at all just prefer the sound of the RS3.
It's a lot rarer and distinctive that is for sure
M2 has a more appealing road presence lol
An ugly person can have a lot of presence which makes up for their less good looks, it's the same with cars
@@volkswizard It seems like Audi and BMW have been in competition to see who can make the crappest front and rear ends the last number of years. BMW is winning, but not by much.
@@andywright1634 If you say so!😆
Lmao new M2 looks ugly. Previous gen was a masterpiece
M2 all day long
Hmm, I think this comparison wasn’t fair tbh. Different conditions when driving. Even the exhaust comparisons; one was a drive by, one was a camera directly above the exhaust. Furthermore, stage 1 the s58 engine and you’re looking at 580bhp. If you know how to drive a rwd, it is a lot quicker. As a point and shoot car, the rs3 is quicker, but I also think it gives a false sense of driver skill.
Absolutely agree on this point. A tuned car Vs Stock isn't quite fair in my opinion. And of course various other factors as well
If i were a single man with no kids then I'd consider the M2 but I went for the RS3 and I'm loving it
Glad to hear you're really enjoying it! Anything that is real off-putting to a perspective buyer should know about? Hear mostly good things about the RS3!
@@speeddemon311 I'd just add that I feel audi were lazy with the interior. Odd bits of cheap plastics, the cup holders are pointless and 1 of em is failing to latch back after use so will get that sorted under warranty next month. All just abit boring tbh. For the price it should feel and look special as its an R car, but once you get going its just a beauty to drive, the 5pot is a dream and it handles so bluddy well! Its on absolute rails.
Crap interior / rubbish main dealers as I’ve just experienced last week 😢
@@sean3077 To be fair you cant tarnish them all. Finchley Road Audi I'd urge everyone to avoid. Arrogant bunch and they couldn't care less. Lowestoft Audi where I purchased my car went above and beyond to help me. I couldn't speak more highly of those guys.
Nobody would be disappointed owning either of these two and in most cases it comes down to which brand you prefer, I made my choice between a BMW and Audi and now happily have the RS3 in my garage
Summary. 4 door family car that can be used all year round wipes the floor with the 2 door larger engined track day car. The end
Please address your mic issue. It often it sounds muffled. You can get away with bad picture but bad audio is a no no. i had to enable sub titles in this particular video.
Considering his subscriber count the audio and video quality are both unacceptable
Need to be 4k now,1080p is ancient history
Did you upgrade your mic? Still seems pretty bad.
Odd when the size of the fuel tank is the only reason for choosing the Audi.
Who said it was the only reason?
5 cylinder is half of a Lamborghini motor fitted with a turbo! That's the biggest reason to buy the RS3, and obviously the RS3 is the better daily driver!
@@volkswizard I did.
@@speeddemon311 If all you want is acceleration and sound, you'll love the new generations of electrical vehicles with fake engine sounds. For me, not how fast it goes, it's how it goes fast. Balance, feel, involvement and fluidity are of high importance.
@@speeddemon311 Believe what exactly? I have made two separate comments.
I just bought a new M2 a few days ago, in black sapphire with manual transmission, which btw in the US there's no up charge for the manual gearbox. I also got standard seats in the cognac leather, so there's no annoying leg separator. Its a really great, fun car, but still figuring out all the technology.
An up charge for a manual transmission car is just stupidity! It's usually more for an auto for the obvious reason, but overseas, there's insanity going on! Black is the right choice for this car, especially imo! Congrats on the new ride.
@@speeddemon311 Doesn't sound like an actual cost issue but an up charge to lead certain markets away from a manual, no need to lead Americans away, they were easily led away decades ago. I remember when you could get a manual in a 5 and 7 series and M series only came with a manual, and the manual option was a price reduction up until around 2010 it became a no cost option and is still that way, well at least here in the US.
Sounds great, enjoy (and good choice on seat type & colour 👌It’s possible the stick shift is heavier on emissions which means penalties to the manufacturer in the EU, hence the premium
Who would’ve thought you picked the Audi 😅
A Racechip box has made a big difference to my Mk8 GTI Clubsport . Can only imagine how fast that RS3 is with a tuning box!
it's fast with a capital F (U C and K)
Imagine how much more power the M2 engine could gain, when tuners unlock the ecu ?
@@volkswizardhow much Nm has it now! I didn’t here what you said 😊
A basic formula for a proper sports car ( i.e. same formula for the past 70 years) is to have 5 specific properties; 6 speed manual, rear wheel drive, coupe, plenty of power, and a suspension to die for. If one is looking for something else, like a fast 4 door automatic, which there are plenty of them out there, then M2 is not your car. It’s really that simple :)
Yeah, 5 cylinder all wheel drive with 400 horsepower is common, you say lol! The formula you mention is much more common than the unicorn Audi set up imo!👍
6 speed manual???Five speed were not common until the 80s!!
@@Poolie77exactly, he's talking hog wash
Not so many decades ago true sports cars were not powerful
MG's, Datsuns, Porsches....still rwd manual but low power
£1200 for the manual on the M2. I must be getting old because up until recently you paid extra for an auto/dct now they want you to pay more for the manual 😅 Also weren't expensive hatches like the A45 & RS3 about 50k now you're looking at 60k+ for hatch. There cars are for people on 75k+ a year not the average person that wants to own their car. So you have to be on 75k+ a year or PCD'd upto the eyeballs & never own your car 😅 Also 1800kg for the M2 😅 anything over 1550kg for the smallest M car in unacceptably heavy.
Fair points - BMW could have up specced the M135I to be an A45S/RS3 rival but I am kind of glad they didn't and would it be much cheaper. The finance quote for M2 are around £1k per month which as you say is lot. The M2 is a lot of car for the money but for most people it's too much car for too much money.
Is the windshield on RS3 cracked? Or is it just a water streak?
😂 question answered!
To be fair to the owner, he put off the replacement as it was due on the day of filming - I only asked him 48 hours before so was lucky he said yes.
I dont think either of them should ever pass the 50k mark. There the low tiers of the series
New M2s are £60k and RS3s are out of production now but plenty nearly new for £50k, the current RRPs are just a work of fiction
People have gone soft with 4WD, loads more fun in a rear wheel drive
You could save 20 grand and get a B58 m240/340/440 with x drive, which is still a better engine than the one in the RS3, and since you’re tuning the RS3 you can tune those as well and probably make the same power if not more. They’d also be more plush rides since that was so important in this comparison, and they’d handle the wet much better, and their awd is actually rear biased unlike quattro, they sound better. So what does the RS3 win at vs the B58 cars? I just negated all your positives for the Audi convincingly.. So what did we learn? B58 M-lite>>>>tuned RS3 for 20 grand cheaper. Awesome!
Dont care how fast they are on looks that M2 is just all over the place especially the back! The Audi just about passes but is only one step away from heading in the same awkward angular styling of the Beemer......i jyst couldnt love the M2 despite the epic engine.
Both M2 and RS3 aren't particularly good looking cars in stock form. But a slightly modified M2.. lowered and a front lip fixes a lot of the ugly and the M2 actually starts to look really good. I cant say the same for the RS3.. I've yet to see a modified RS3 that actually looks good.. you just cant fix the RS3 front end.
@@speeddemon311 laugh but you know its true
@@speeddemon311 LOL.. this is coming from a guy using Throttle House as their reference to prove a point.. bwahahaha. You must be one of those high school kids posing in front of coffee shops with their mummies car acting like you have first world experience with any of these cars. Sad little boy 😀😆🤣😂
RS3 all day
So the M2 with Xdrive will weigh closer to 1900kg. Wow
Great content and keep up the great work @volkswizard
RS3 - that's what I'd go for with that modification of the ECU tune!
But £60K+ for these cars is insane... I suppose that's the climate we're in!
M2 over RS3 every time. Only time I would pick the RS3 over the M2 is if you need a more usable back seat and have to drive the car in winter. M2 is just a much more dynamic car especially on the track. One is a real sports car the other is a just a fun car.
Can I give you some constructive criticism? This video is quite long and takes a long time to start really talking about the driving experience. If you make your videos a bit shorter and get to talking about the driving experience a bit faster it will help the algorithm to help your channel. You clearly put a lot of work into making these videos.
Thanks for the advice. My channel’s usp is to offer the detail other reviewers don’t cover and of course this adds to the run time. I split my videos into chapters so people can fast forward to where they want. This video hasn’t done well, do you know for sure the length will work against it? Because of its length, it’s had well above average view time and this looks like a positive according to TH-cam.
@@volkswizard thanks for the reply, yes your dedicated viewers will watch the whole thing so for them and you that view time is good, but more casual or newer viewers may be put off by the length. I'm not new but I wasn't hardcore enough to watch it all (so thanks for the chapters they do help in that situation). Harry's Garage is a good example of a successful automotive youtube channel and most of his videos are 20-30minutes, long enough to get a fair bit of detail about the vehicle but not long enough to put people off watching.
Are you trying to start a war!!
You can't make these comparisons. Brave man, brave man 😂😂.
You didn't seem impressed driving the m2. But, if we could mix the two cars, we'd have the ultimate dri... wait ...
Luckily they are both good cars :)
BMW engines are just the best out right now and have the most snappy transmission. Best performance u can get
I'd have to have the M2, purely because i struggle getting in and out of 5 door cars being 6ft6 and 25 stone, hence why I've kept hold of the mk7.5 GTD 3 door.
Love the in-depth comparison. As a BMW man and owner of an OG M2 DCT, I was surprised at how you found the ride quality in the new M2. I’ve had a passenger ride in one and compared to the old M2 the ride quality is so much better! I agree with you about the excellent interior, and quality. I’d still be tempted to go to an RS3 though for that all weather traction and that engine.
BMW guy right now driving an M2, but I feel exactly the same way as you about the RS3, and I'm disappointed in the new M2 overall! Definitely love the S58 a lot even know it doesn't sound the best!
Okay? You can tune the M2 also and widen the performance gap even further, because it’s much more capable than the RS3’s engine, it can handle more power and is frankly a better engine in all regards. It’s better as standard, it’s more powerful, and it’s more tuneable with way more headroom than the RS3 could ever dream of. If you tune the M2 you’re at super car numbers, you tune the RS3 and you’re at stock M2 numbers. Why you’re comparing tuned vs not tuned and the more expensive car is the one getting the tune makes no sense.
Both fabulous cars - ok black colour a must for M2 - buyers would choose on own preferences and I find M2 exciting dynamically as it would require some skill to punt quickly. Audi must fix A3 interior austerity as that exterior in a bright colour deserves the quality interior of previous gen. Great content Andrew 👍🎯😎
Cybertruck vs 911 ; ‘new’ M2 vs RS3 ; I ’ll pick the less ugly one only.
why is it that people do comparisons one car stock, other car tuned?
If you watch it all I say ignore the tuning for the purposes of the comparison as without it they are very well matched on power to weight ratio
Absolutely love the new M2, it looks amazing.
Never been a fan of Audi's so I may be biased, and cough cough I do own an OG M2.
The RS3 interior is terrible for a 60 grand car. The exterior is bland.
As for the chipped power upgrade, it's pretty lame really. My last car a 2017 M140i, only had a sports cat and a day on the dyno, and it made 455bhp/634nm, so a fair bit more than this tuned Audi.
M2 every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
RS3 is too safe, too boring, and too cheap quality.
Audi is faster
@@ArtVandelayOfficial And hundreds of other cars are faster than that Audi.
Doesn't make it automatically better.
Some people are not even bothered about traffic light grand prix, and think it's for childish turnips.
Instead, they prefer real driving, undulating and twisty country roads, where chassis dynamics, steering feel, and balance are more important, because those things are what real driving is all about.
@@DjNikGnashers How many rallys has BMW won
Typical BMW rose coloured glasses
@@DjNikGnashers Also it's well known the G87 has no steering feel now and is more GT cruiser than the previous F chassis
@@ArtVandelayOfficial This isn't a WRC vehicle.
It's about two road cars, head to head.
Citroen and Hyundai are two of the most successful modern day WRC winners, but you wouldn't buy a Citroen or Hyundai over an Audi or BMW as a road car would you ?
None of these cars has great steering feel, and in fact most modern cars with electric racks have numb steering, so again your comment makes no sense, it's not like the Audi has Lotus Elise steering does it you turnip ?
If you're going to debate with me, at least have some valid points to make, because you just made yourself look like a right pleb with that bs.
I'd bet the other nobber who commented is another one of your accounts.
All of the people who have tested the new M2 have said it drives extremely well, compared to it's rivals. It is more balanced, has a better chassis, better steering, and better dynamics than all of it's rivals. Nobody is comparing it to vehicles from 15 or 20 years ago, because that's stupid.
It isn't going to have the same steering as the previous F chassis, because modern cars never do, they get heavier and safer.
If you look at my avatar, what do you see ?
Yes that is MY F CHASSIS M2.
Rs3 would blow it away on country roads and all year round but build quality and looks on the m2 would sway me and possible xdrive would seal the deal
Exterior looks? Interesting!!
It's awkward from some angles but it's certainly more imposing and has so much more presence
@volkswizard RS3 isn't awkward in any way, which makes it a more cohesive and beautiful design imo!
You people are delusional, m2 would destroy the rs3 on country roads and the track. Only thing rs3 wins is 0-60 because of awd
RS3 would beat the M2 on the country roads only if there was 1 foot of snow.
The sun roof is standard on the M2. The carbon roof is part of the M performance package.
Incorrect . In the uk where this is based . the carbon roof is standard
@@lukeperry8755 👍🏻
The M2 ❤
The BMW has a lot of theatre but for me daily it has to be the Audi. Great video thanks!
Thanks for watching & commenting cornishrider 👍
Loved the review, if had money would get one of each, have bought the manual m2 and it’s epic, keep up the comparison reviews
Im a VAG fan but the M2 with 6sp manual is a good combo .Perhaps will need to retro fit a 7 sp manual in the Audi .Was wondering why the tacho was at a 5300 rpm limit in the Audi. You will be in a RS3 soon and the tune to match
4:34 smooth 😂 I think they both look good and I love a fast Audi but that M2 looks very naughty. I even like the weird stacked optional performance exhaust they offer. I’m perfectly ok with being in the minority for once.
Rs3
M2 they’re launching the x drive after they release the cs
Xdrive M2 will weight the same as a RR Velar 😂
Offset pedals have always been a feature of Audi & BMW cars with the north/south engine configuration in right hand drive, Usually the passenger footwell is noticeably bigger, which means that in left hand drive they would not be so offset if at all.
Interesting. I've drive a lot of longitudinal engine Audis and don't recall that sort of offset, a bit of offset is OK but there is point beyond where it just gets a bit weird.
RS3 better car & cheaper here is Australia 🇦🇺
It looks cheaper in the UK too but Audi naughtily don't include the On The Road additions (most manufacturers do) and then add some spec to what is a relatively basic car here in the UK and it's there or thereabouts the same (which is surprised me !)
Hi Andrew, silly place to post a question... Are you doing a 2024 Volkswizard Calendar??. I have enjoyed the 2023 one 👍
An RS3 with the DAZA but pre OPF would be the only one I would have went for. This gen is really poor when compared with the much higher end looking M2. I'll be looking for a new car in the spring with around a 40k budget, was originally thinking about an RS3 but most of them have been modded/ragged to shit and are mostly bought by 30 somethings who can't look after them so I've already decided on a C7 RS6 which are usually owned by more mature/mechanically sympathetic owners who aren't afraid of spending what the car needs. Nice comparison vid though with good info, thanks again for the good work!
Thanks! And great choice with C7, actually that’s the car I’m most likely to buy 👌
I like more stand out colours. Those looked stealth but bland. The carbon seats in BMW. Just why?. Great review.
2:00 The Isaac Blue Golf GTI Performance Mk7.5 is the winner for me 🤣
The RS3 is so fast it broke the windshield! Living in New England, where it snows, and preferring four-passenger potential, I’d have to go with the RS3. Might trade my B9 S4 for one, but the interior of the S4 is so much better that I’ll keep that as my daily until it reaches 100,000 miles. The S4 has done 60,000 miles so far with zero unscheduled maintenance, but I worry that no interesting ICE cars will be available by the time it gets to 100,000.
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It might be fast, but is it 'fun' ?
Anyone can tune a modern car to have much more power than this RS3, and in fact my last car a 2017 M140i only had a sports cat to make 455bhp/634nm, a fair bit more than this tuned RS3.
AWD is boring, and for people who like traffic light racing.
RWD is much more fun, playful, and requires more skill to get the best out of, and for me, that wins every time.
Another interesting and thorough comparison test. How about a similar one with S3 & Golf R. After your remarks re interior quality of A3 in general, the R might win it for me.
I did a pretty thorough Mk8 R vs current gen S3 in late 2021, it was fun as I had a friend in the video who owned the R so there was banter. Not a lot in it with Mk8 and current A3/S3/RS3 interior quality but Golf feels less of a slight of hand so it gets my vote
Thanks, must look up that video. Wondering what will eventually replace my Mk8 GTD.
The pedal offset is not an issue on LHD models. On RHD, the transmission bulge added to a german-sized dead-pedal to make a heavily offset footbox. More like what you would see in a first gen Evora. What amazes me is how much better the M2 looks in person. The camera hates this car.
RS3 all day everyday for me thank you.
Thank you too :)
Audi RS3 for the Win!
Rs3 has to be tuned to even have a chance. Enough said.
The last gen RS3 is an understeer pig.. this new one when pushed is still an understeering pig and when the drivetrain system comes on to help give it less understeer.. it feels unnatural. M2 is the real sports car the RS3 pretends to be.
My thoughts exactly.
lol so many BMW haters. I would gladly take the M2 over the RS3, in fact i did.. On the test drive the RS3 was boring and no manual option there for made it lose for me. Looks are subjective 100% but on the test drives the M2 is way more engaging and the steering in both are numb.
Early this year during a track day, I swapped cars with a fellow track driver. My Supra 6MT for his RS3.. RS3 felt great coming out of the corners but that thing just drove like a FWD car with less obvious understeer.. it just does not have the sharpness as M cars. Anyways the Supra is a better track car than the RS3. Couple months ago my friend let me drive his new M2.. I was so impressed by the M2 that I traded in my less than 6K km Supra for the new M2. M2 is just a whole different lever when it comes to the race track.. cant even put the RS3 in the same level.
@@patc8653 nice. I traded my m340i for a tr g87 auto, handles like a dream. I have a feeling all these rs3 fan boys and m2 haters in the comments have never driven either one let alone own any of them
@@blackfish4674 Mine is a SB 6MT.. sucks I have to wait till around spring for it to arrive but I have a fresh set of 19 inch wheel wrapped on R compounds square setup.. ready for next years track season. The M2 already has so much grip I can't imagine what it would be like on R compounds.
m2 looks that ugly I love it,
That’s a good way of looking at it 😁👍
RS3❤💣🔥🔥
M2 by far
Great review Andrew,keep it up mate 👊
I changed mic, wouldn't say it was upgrade. Was using it here on max gain as it seemed OK in testing but needs to be down 1 notch to the middle setting. The driving was a different mic
M2 all day
Beemer for me,but I do like the weight and power coming from the rear, weight balance when turning is the best from BMW. Way more natural feel.In UK weather 240i xdrive or RS3.
Great review on an age old discussion, one’s a drivers car and one’s a fast understeering car. I do love that rs3 and especially that straight five that sounds epic but a balanced rear wheel drive car is rewarding drive.
Great review Andrew. 😎
Thanks reg glad you enjoyed my long awaited drive/review of proper m car! 👍
@@volkswizard it was great. Just a shame you didn’t test them in warmer weather. That’s where the M2 would shine. Be great to see you review an X drive BMW vs Quattro car. Like M340i vs S4 for example. I’ll be looking forward to that one day. 😁
M2 for me. I’ve driven both and the RS3 was boring to drive…
On the left Germany brand Made in Mexico! On the rite Germany brand Made in Germany! Buy Germany race car Made by German is the rite choice....
All 2 series are built in Mexico with this new generation! Disappointing
I am actually surprised the RS3 is German made as in the past some were made in Hungary. No issues with build quality in either to be fair
As an Audi/ VW enthusiast. Went to view an RS3 Carbon Black a few weeks ago, but was quite disappointed with the quality of the interior compared to my 2020 S3 Black Edition. So much so i just walked away. I think the 8v RS3 Sport Edition is a far better car. Ok it hasn't bthe 'Trick' rear axle but that's not a deal breaker for me anyway.
Good comparison video Andrew. But like me your still a VAG group man.
Hi Wyn, I'm so glad sales are being aborted due to the interior quality because they might do something about it. I think the facelift 8V RS3 has a pretty active rear diff, but because it was just a facelift it didn't receive the hype of the new generation which was clearly designed to be marketed heavily on its ability to drift and oversteer to please journos who in turn would ignore the interior which 'normal' non-driftng folk care about. I am a VAG man but I wouldn't be if VW/Audi took the piss with interior quality back in the 90s and 00s, good interiors are a core brand value for a lot of VAG buyers
RS3 is far the superior car (my ex had the old pre competition M2 and that looked way nicer but VC apart from the looks I didn’t like driving it)
RS3’s tuned are menaces to any car - they are so fast.
I do love the look of the G80 M3 though so fair play there - I know a lot of people don’t like the front grill - I do
The m2 is superior in every way except 0-60 because of awd, lay off the crack😂
G 80 M3 is a sick car all blacked out! Really like the available xdrive in the competition model that can be switched to rear wheel drive with a push of a button! Every performance car should have this feature imo!
Only things the RS3 does better than the M2 is carrying more than 2 people, driving in the snow, acceleration and that's just slightly. M2 is a far superior car when it comes to vehicle dynamics and more potential.
Have to disagree, M2 is clearly the superior car
@@blackfish4674you must like ugly
Family member has a loaded RS3. Agree the interior is not good enough but the drive experience is better than the BigMansWilly BMW x handling is superior and find it’s quieter aswell.
Now a journo would say BMW handles better as easier to drift around a Welsh corner for a photographer but for average buyer RS3’s handling is more in tune with their skill set
@@volkswizard I agree. Personally I’ve had quite a few Audi in my time and always found the steering vague whereas the BMW much much better and connected with better feedback and more precise but I’ve always gone with Audi over BMW because I didn’t like the negativity that went with BMW drivers and the brand generally. Nowadays I’ve grown up and enjoy our 911 Carrera 4S
@askiff1415 Negativity about BMW drivers is just from envious folks that can't afford them or people that are upset because a bmw driver was driving too fast!
@@speeddemon311 funny how the perception about BMW drivers has existed for 30/40 years and yes you can identify the perception with reality in how they’re driven. Jealousy doesn’t come into it. They’re are lot of vehicles just as good and better to choose from
@askiff1415 You actually think the perception of Porsche drivers is a positive one though lol!! Think whatever you want, but people get upset because they usually drive a low-cost everyday vehicle that is basically slow 🐌
With you on most of your points but electric handbrake that automatically come on are a nightmare if you push your car hard or track it.
I get that, many people have said that about Porsches but you should be able to select via infotainment system. Or if it auto comes on, you can manually release the EPB. Considering how few people will benefit from it staying off and the risk of roll aways which epb was meant to fix, makes far more sense to default on
First. Nice thumbnail and camera recording angles.
Excellent review. Nicely balanced and delivered in easy to watch style.
It’s a shame that Audi’s interior is really way below par for a car like the RS3, it looks quite shameful compared to the BMW interiors atm. The plastics, the carpets and the lack of colour just makes it look cheap and bland. The drive of the RS3 however is brilliant!
If Audi improved the interior and made it feel more special inside it would be an easy choice with the added practicality for me but the M2 maybe just nicks it but I’d go for the auto!
To change the dials you need to press the button next to the 📞 button & then you can cycle through the different options.
The design of the M2 outside and inside looks awful but seems to have better quality cabin materials. RS3 looks cool but not so good inside. Audi surely have got the message on over zealous cost cutting.
I hope Audi have got the message but I don't think there are enough people in the car reviewing world making a point of the shocking interior material quality because Audi are paying them (Audi UK use an influencer marketing agency) or they are too scared to criticise because they might not lend them a car or invite them to a launch. We shall see. The problem is A3/S3/RS3 will all share the same carpets and plastics. This was fine when interior quality was class leading but not now and not with RS3s that can top £70k with options
M2 is impressive with its performance. But my god, it’s ugly. I’ve seen several in person. Absolutely burns my retinas and turns my stomach.
I respect them for being so bold and it's a lot more subjective than those grilles on M3/4
RWD is better than 4WD - It's physics. (in terms of cornering and drivability)
Not as simple as that, depends on front/rear AWD split, now much weight is in front, on top (or in case of 911) behind rear axle. Also how do you definite better? Like a journo better is how easy it is to oversteer? Or how much power/torque you can use without slip, especially in low grip conditions. I like to view cars from the eyes of a typical driver and I know very few can handle oversteer, you only have to look at all the crashes filmed when cars leave a car show and try and showboat for the camera
Torque vectoring 4 wheel drive still isn't as drivable as RWD. It is physics. Even with a limited slip diff or clutch etc. Audi''s Quattro got better, but it didn't and hasn't got rid of the understeer. (because they mount the Quattro system at the front of the engine, too far in front of the front axel).@@volkswizard So there you go! Physics! Plus turning having more grip on the front wheel for turning rather than for traction - Physics! (plus 4wd adds extra weight). So RWD in terms of 'cornering and drivability' is better!
Bottomline - why would BMW make M3.40 xdrive only and give the M3 RWD functionality? Why would BMW do that? Do most M3 owners drive around in 4wd? No! You said 'Very few drivers can handle oversteer'. Nonesense - I must be a god then. (not really) Oversteer is preferred to understeer. There's nothing you can do about understeer. Oversteer you can turn out of. Would you rather a car where the front end turns in sharply or doesn't turn in at all? The latter is understeer! I recommend you drive a RWD car with a bit less power and 50/50 weight distribution like the BMW E46 M3, and then tell me AWD is better. (the older BMW hydraulic steering racks were better too, all the electric steering racks are numb and boring). All manufacturers went to electric racks, not because they are better. IMO the problem with the New M2, it's too heavy and the steering is rubbish (no feel). That's why you didn't get to feel at one with the car. It felt uncomfortable! Also try the Alfa Quadrafoglio RWD. Ferrari engine, Ferrari steering, light car for the size. (0.6 tonnes 25% lighter than the M2). Also most Ferrari's are still RWD.
looks is the RS3 but for driver focus and enjoyment then it has to be the M2
Great comparison it’s a shame you couldn’t get a auto m2 far superior and fair comparison . I really dislike VW /Audi gearboxes
Thanks Kevin, the manual was my bad, originally I planned a comparison with my GT4 manual but decided it would be a bit fatuous as they are so different (even though Top Gear mag compared them) so swapped to RS3
I had many M cars some manuals BMW do not make a great gearbox seem to be the same for each different model.
I personally love the Porsche gearbox haven't experienced manual since 997 model .
Keep up your fab in depth reviews perfect delivery so much better than many you tubers 👍
M2 For Me Audis Lost Its Way Last Few Yrs
Just the opposite according to almost everyone on earth lol! I drive a bimmer so just being honest!
M2 all day over the A3, fast A3 all the same…
The rs3 interior is absolutely stocking . Audi have always been jazz hat over function . Boring overpriced drab cars
Definitely the M2 for me 👌🏻..
The Audi interior looks and feels cheap.💩
Actual owner reviews of this car would disagree with you, and no I don't have one! Actual physical buttons for climate control, the audio, etc, instead of a big screen propped up on the dash is awful in the bimmer! I drive an M2 comp and would never trade it in for the new Lego block design M2!l
@@speeddemon311 each to their own l guess…
@mrlv8126 The quality of the new M2 interior is really nice. Don't get me wrong! It's just a lack of physical buttons issue 😒
@@speeddemon311 I did think that when l had my test drive….but unfortunately it’s the modern world we live in…..I just had to think it’s a big iPhone it didn’t take me long to get used to it…but your right you can’t beat a physical button to press
It’s a shame the car industry has gone down that road..
The Audi interior is undoubtedly of poorer material quality, yes it has buttons for climate etc but they'd have been better off adopting the M2 system and with the money saved buying some carpets and plastic fit for an Audi, not a Hyundai. I can get used to the user interface of the M2 but I'll never get used to the accountants choosing Audi materials
Thanks Andrew, interesting as always.
Temperature a bit different there and here. It's Saturday morning here in Sydney as I've watched this. Forecast top of 40c today.🥵🌡️
Thanks for watching. 40 degrees might just favour the BMW :)
@@volkswizard 😂👍