Single Bevel Broad Heads Pros And Cons After A whole Hunting Season
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- Single Bevel Broad Heads Pros And Cons After A whole Hunting Season
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I bought them three years ago for one reason, Dr Ashbys study on bone breaking ability , compared to split so the broadhead slides right through break, serving me very well, if we hit one in the bone we want animal dead not running around with a broadhead stuck in scapula, plus went up too 650 grains on heavy FOC arrow deadly combo on my harvests, I will never go back , its the real deal, Dr Ashby spent 20 years studying this , I encourage everyone too read his literature on this, good topic Jason and good example on your many harvests.👌
Yep love the Ashby studies. Still have the original printed versions from 20 years ago. The man is brilliant and so meticulous. He has done so much to help make bowhunting reach the level of ethics it has today.
Thanks, Jason for another great informative video. I think I'm going to have to give them a try. I'm impressed with your info.
Thanks! Glad you enjoy the content
Another informative video. Great head to head comparison of the single vs double bevel.
Thank you
Informative video! Thanks
Glad you liked it
I'm getting ready to get into hunting, and I was going to get dbb's (double bevel broadheads) but you changed my mind! Going for the sbb's, thank you!
Both are great but I much prefer the single bevels
Thank you for this, I am looking to buy some broadheads and I needed this information.
Glad it was helpful!
Funny, i too used and have those Magnus classic double bevel heads. They did the job, got me a hug wild boar down south early 2001. I'M grateful to have better sharpening and honing skills today. I have three sets of those Cutthroats, I like them but gulp, they are expensive. Saving them for another hog hunt. This year I'm using the Magnus Killer Bee 150grn. 2bld. I stropped them and I feel confident they will get me venison for the freezer. The more competition for single bevel the prices should ease up.
Awesome heads! I do agree prices are insane. I just paid 460 for 18 heads not fun!
I see VPA has joined the single bevel fray. I was impressed with the 200 grain double bevel last season, but already have some 200 grain Cutthroats to try this season, and Abowyers are already on my next to buy list as they were sold out last Autumn.
Yep more and more great options becoming available each year. Love it! Now we just need someone to make 1.5 wide single bevels more!
Good stuff as always👍👍
Thank you
Awesome to hear that you have had great success with your year now two years of using those Abowyer SBs. I might give those a try when I get my trad bow, heck I could use them out of my compound that is set at 65 lbs and a 29.5 inch draw no problem.
I know that it’s been a year but at that price I would use those old Magnus ones, but I doubt that you have any left.
The sharpening process doesn’t look too bad and I could listen to a podcast while getting a SB scary razor 🪒 sharp. Great way to pass the time and get work done. 🏹🦌🦃🐗
Love both the single bevels and the original magnus heads
@@tradbowpodcast
Of course why wouldn’t you? You have been using those Magnus heads for probably 20 years and they have never treated you wrong.
Good editorial.
Thank you
Been shooting SB for years. Yes, they do not leave a great blood trail, but I've also watched the vast majority of my deer tip over within sight of my stand. And the ones I couldn't see fall over, I found not far past last sight.
That's the beauty of the 1.5 wide. They leave amazing blood trails as well. Its like a win, win, win! The amazing blood trails are why I jave shot 1.5 wide heads for the last 25 years. Now add a single bevel and im a very happy guy.
@@tradbowpodcast I don't mind a skinny broadhead and a smooth design, like a grizzly. I have found that they zip right through deer without them even knowing most of the time, which is why they usually don't run as far. And, if you hit a heavy bone they have a better chance of making it through (never had one not make it through). Also the non vented slim design make them quieter in the air and less effected by a bad release (which is known to happen every now and then lol). At the same time I do carry some simmons in my quiver for wet weather just in case 😁
@@steveyd101 well said and great points not many people realize. Almost all of my pass thru animals fall in sight where as if the arrow stays in they cover some ground fast and die running.
@@tradbowpodcast to clarify, I wasn't saying I was right and you were wrong. We all have to find what works best for us. I know compound guys that shoot light arrows and mechanicals that have never lost a deer (at least that they talk about) but I dont tell them that they need to change their setup if it has worked well for them. But, the more experiences we all can share will help point the inexperienced bow hunter in the right direction.
I made a poor shot on a buck last year with a Swat mechanical head. On top of the poor shot, he jumped the string making it worse. The arrow instantly stopped in his shoulder socket about 3 inches in. I'm constantly wondering how things could have been different had I had a deep penetrating single bevel on. I started researching on TH-cam about them and of course one of my favorite tried and true hunting channels popped up. Thanks for the great video Jason really breaking it down. Think I'm gunna go for iron wills
Iron will makes a great head. Razorbroadheads.com is my absolute favorite wide cut single bevel now. They are outstanding.
Great job, your always very detailed. I'm switching to 100% traditional this coming year. I have my setup already tuned. 55-57lbs at 32in draw 680gr, I need to decide which heads to shoot.
Exactly how big are you?
That awesome you have your set up all tuned and ready to go! lots of great heads out there and all of them work great. some are easier to sharpen than others so its good to buy a pack of the one you are thinking of using then make sure it sharpens good for you before investing in a bunch of them. You are also the first person I have heard of with a 32 inch draw on a trad bow! you are going to have an amazing power stroke with that length. your 55 pound bow would be like me shooting a 65 pound bow at my draw length! Heavy arrows out of your set up are going to work incredible as you have all that powerstroke energy behind them!
@@tradbowpodcast I have been shooting trad off and on since 2015. I got a doe in17 with lighter arrows and less FOC. Used 150gr Grizzly single bevel heads went through the left scapula and broke the right femur.
@@jaredlong4157 awesome! Yep that long draw you have yoy could shoot a 35# bow and do more damage that an average draw length shooting 45#.
100% traditional means no carbon arr😅ws.
Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
I like my single bevels. Not to often mentioned, the SB has a starburst effect when it goes thru soft tissue. I've taken several deer with 125 grain single bevel. One deer spun as the arrow hit, the deer caught the arrow entering the lungs, ran though the intestines,out the rear and opened up the rear thigh muscle and the arrow stuck in the leg bone. truley a old schooled hi bred broahead!
Yep I'm very impressed with them. Wish I would of got on the band wagon earlier
Jason I think the biggest Con is sharpening the single bevel. That's what all the guys in my circle is saying. Great video "VERY INFORMATIVE".
Takes a little getting used to sharpening them, but I actually find it faster to sharpen single bevels.
@@tradbowpodcast Jason could you do a how to Sharpening video.
@@soulsnatcher6525 I have about 5 videos on sharpening on my channel. Just type sharpening in the search bar on my channel. I do not yet have one on sharpening single bevel but it's really no different except you really only have to sharpen one side and then lightly touch the other.
My favorite deer story of your is the doe you fallow all night and finally recovered. Then that guy said all that work for a meesly little doe
Hahaha. Yep remeber that hunt like yesterday. Every time I'm in the woods in the winter when it's snowing and I look up and feel the flakes hit my face I think about that hunt. Did that look up at the stars and feel the snow a hundred times that night.
Some expensive chef cleavers are single bevel. The reason chefs use them is that they are sharper. Example: One cleaver, double bevel, has a 30 deg. total angle, 15 deg one side / 15 deg other side = 30 deg. Take the same knife and just put a 15 deg bevel on one side, other side flat, you have a total angle of 15 deg, - Twice as sharp. The expense comes in because it takes high quality steel heat treated to perfection to hold an edge that sharp. I'm wondering if the single bevel broadheads are expensive for the same reason.
Very possibly and great example and explanation. I know for a si gle bevel to be strong and not chatter it has to be good quality steel and thicker steel.
Jason… YOU know it’s the almighty.. 😉😂 I won’t hunt with anything else. Good metal and keep em sharp. They can perform awesome.. Also, (For me) I turned my poundage down to 62 lbs. It seems to be the sweet spot for my bow. Laser accurate and leaves a big drain plug. Love the single bevel 🏹🐗🦌🦃
Can never argue with a good single bevel!
Where do you get those wraps for your arrows? I love wraps but kinda wore out on my solid chartruese and like the cresting stripes on yours
I did the cresting with a sharpie marker. These are chartreuse wraps with a small section of white wrap and the sharpie. If you search my channel for a video called making arrows start to finish it will show you how I build them and do it all.
@@tradbowpodcast thanks bud! You've got to many videos that one never popped up😂
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great
Glad you enjoyed it
I'm sorry if I missed this in this video, but what weight is the head you got from Abowyer. I know it's 1 1/2" wide, but am also interested in which weight you shoot. I've shot a few deer with Grizzlies and like them, but most blood trails are sparse. I like the idea of a 1.5" SB.
That abowyer is 210 grains without adapter, just as a glue on.
@@tradbowpodcast Thank you. That is helpful. I hope you get to put a few more through pigs and deer this coming season, I am hoping to use one with my NM Whisper on a Maryland deer or two.
What brand are the broadheads you show in the video and what weight?
abowyer 210 grain glue ons.
What do you use for a target to shoot your broadheads into?
My 3d targets! That's why I buy the cheapest targets I can.
Nice. I have been shooting the alaska archery Maasai blades for several years. I like them well enough but they are expensive. I am not convinced they are worth what you spend on them. Still, they work well so I will keep using them until I need to replace them
Yep those are great heads. To rich for me as I buy heads a dozen at a time and never have less than 4 dozen sharp and ready to go for a season. Not that I need that many but I do hunt alot and a miss in the swamp from the ground is often a lost arrow in th water. point being that i have to keep cost in mind for broadheads. If I was doing a cape buffalo hunt Id buy half a dozen bishops for that trip. but just not financially feasible to run expensive heads all year for me...lol
If the Masaai is killing animals and can be reused then you are many dollars ahead of the cheap broadheads that are not reusable. But hunting is no longer about saving money for most people, the grocery store is way more cost effective and reliable for 90% of the population. Continue putting those Masaais through animals and enjoy the hunting adventure and resharpening 😀
@@tradbowpodcast I have a good many ready at all times. When I lose or brake an arrow it puts an empty feeling in my gut because every lost arrow is real money (not that any complete arrow is cheap anymore)
@@peterweikel7123 agree. Arrows are crazy expensive now. Now that I hunt on the ground stalk8ng alot for pigs loosing arrows is a more common occurrence too. It bums me out!
I’ve been looking at the iron will double bevels. Thanks
Great heads! The Iron wills are very well made with excellent steal
@@tradbowpodcast meant to say single bevels but truthfully I’ve been looking at all of them. Leaning towards the double and the wide. My friend shoots the vented, they fly perfectly. On his rig.
@@alexjones519 there is a new company bringing out a 1.5 wide single bevel in 200 and 250 grain very soon. Like very soon. They are just waiting on thier cnc made sharpening jigs to be finished. They told me would be by end of summer. I killed a doe with a prototype one last year and loved it
@@tradbowpodcast I look forward to your video about it!
How was the blood trails. I’ve read the blood trails wasn’t as good. I been thinking about switching to a single bevel
The reason people say the blood trails are not as good is because typically single bevel heads are very narrow with about 1 inch to 1 1/8 width. Now the 1.25 or 1.5 wide models leave amazing blood trails!
All of the animals I've taken with a single bevel broadhead have gone down within sight, an average of less than 15-yards (pronghorn antelope, cougars, bear, elk). No blood trailing was needed. Complete passthrough including large bones (scapula, humerus or femur) in every case. Bloodtrailing is the backup recovery option, deflating both lungs and breaking bone critical to movement is primary. Breaking them down is faster and much more effective than bleeding them out 👍🏾
What broadhead was the vented he was using ? A Grizzlystik Masai ?
Abowyer whitetail or ace super. Think I showed 2 vented ones but didn't go back and watch
My only complaint with the Abowyer Boneheads is durability. I've got one that is bent 45* a half inch back from the tip. I'm am using the Grizzlystik Samurai now, but I haven't been able to shoot anything with them yet.
That can happen with alot of heads. I do wish the abowyers had the ferule extend closer to the tip to prevent that. But the price, quality, and durability even it out to a great head! I have put them through some great shoulder hits and the heads have been flawless as well as 2 rock hits on misses and just had to file a couple blade ships. Are these going to be as strong as a tuffhead? no! but until tuffhead makes a 1.5 these are the best option out there in that size. And even when tuffhead does make a 1.5 what will the price be? if those end up being 50 bucks a head I will stay with the abowyers at 3 for 55 dollars. The abowyers are tougher than any animal im gonna use them on.
@@tradbowpodcast yeah the ferrule extending out probably would have stopped that head from bending. I'm still using them too, but figured I would shop around with other heads of similar size and shape.
@@chattahoocheeoutdoorsman4865 yep. Wish more companies would make the 1.5 wide single bevel heads. My options in affordable versions are very limited right now..lol
Did you kill anything with the Tuffhead Evolution?
Yep one doe and lost it. Went thru that does shoulder and stayed with her for a few yards. Then I found the arrow with the front 6 inches broke off. Never found the front of the arrow or head. And it was not in the deer when I processed it.
I’ve had problems with no blood trails with my single bevel two blade broadheads.
I'm assuming (asking?) They are narrow heads. 90% of single bevels are 1 and 1/8" or narrower. If that's the case I can for sure see why blood trails would be less. I prefer a 1.5 inch in single or double and have been testing 1.25 single. Honestly I think a 1.25 is the absolute narrowest I would ever go. Just need more companies to get on board. Sad really that they all make so many narrow heads and so few make wide ones. Used to be a 1.25 was standard.
Did the animals go down within sight?
@@daveanana5135 no
@@paulcrave3112 no two shots are ever the same; understanding your concerns is viewed through my experiences and biases. All of the animals I've taken with a single bevel broadhead have gone down within sight, an average of less than 15-yards (pronghorn antelope, cougars, bear, elk). No blood trailing needed. I wish it was possible to understand the differences in our execution to simplify and improve your recoveries 🤔
@@daveanana5135 I’ve had many that have gone down in sight but too many that didn’t.
For the rust spots, you can buy camelia or tsubaki oil from a quality online knife shop. Japanese knife imports has it in a nice little applicator bottle that will last for a lifetime. You just hit the bevel after sharpening and it prevents rust without gelling up like food oil. For sharpening, try a dmt diasharp they are cheap and dead flat which is hugely important.
Great tips. Greatly appreciated
@@tradbowpodcast I really appreciate the content you're putting out. It's been super helpful to me the last couple of seasons. So, thanks.
@@jonbrown9490 very welcome and glad you are enjoying the content
Still really like these single bevels after another season? Been sorta thinking about trying them and I really trust your videos
Yes. Love the single bevels. No plans to go back to double bevels. Check out the razorbroadheads.com I have been shooting them this year and killed 4 deer and a hog so far. Love them!
I'll do that. I shoot a right helical arrow, so I would want a right bevel broadhead?
@@rorynelson7548 correct. You want to match your bevel to your fletch spin. So right bevel for right wing feathers
Awesome. Thanks for the reply, really cool. Good luck hunting next year!
@rorynelson7548 thanks. Good luck to you as well
I bought Kudu points biggest mistake I made to hard to sharpen. 😭
never tried those.
I would think that too much twist going in would slow the ARROW DOWN Substantially. More FRICTION creates RESISTANCE. Did you NOTICE a DIFFERENCE?
You are probably right. It will slow it down some. But I love the quick spin and great control the arrows has. Speed means nothing to me. I bet my arrows only go 120-140. 720 grains out of a 57 pound longbow with only 26 inch draw
@@tradbowpodcast If it works that is all that matters. I was just CURIOUS.
At impact the arrow will begin to take the direction defined by the broadhead bevel regardless of its rotational flight direction. Animal tissue densities and hardnesses are hundreds of times greater than that of air and will have no problem overcoming inertial forces from arrow flight 👍🏾 People who preach fletching and bevel alignment are misinformed 😀
Hi mister. I watched podcast "GrizzlyStik History Product Philosophies & Dr. Ashby", it's about single bevel broadheads theory, it was interesting.
Yep the Ashby studies are excellent
What single bevel shoots 1.5 hole! I cant find any.
Abowyer heads
In the last 2 and a half years I've killed 160 animals with single bevel broadheads with longbow and compound and will not use anything else for quick ethical kills tried and true if you can tune a arrow you won't use anything else
That's a lot of huntin!!!!! I only wish I would of started shooting single bevels sooner! I love em!
I've seen one lung hits drop in 50 yards.
Not me. Ever. Not unless other arteries were hit
Single bevels you buy them once they're not expensive when you factor in that the average joe buys new broadheads either every year or every other. The sharpening deal I equate to shooting skills if you're shooting a few shots a day the week before the season and calling that good then that attitude will never produce consistent results. When you look at stats over 40 percent of deer are not recovered with that said the guys that just fling arrows a few weeks out of the year I have found to be the ones moaning about both prices and the difficulty of sharpening. If you're going to act the parr of a bow hunter then you need to put in the time, energy and understanding that the sport is not a tv show that they filmed for 2 months to piece together 30 minutes of fiction. Learn to sharpen shoot as much as possible every day if you have time for a half hour tv show skip the idiot box and go shoot. There's always time I could be shooting in the yard right now rather than clicking on youtube (no offense Jason, love the vids) my point is if you're doing mindless stuff for hours on end you have time to shoot sharpen heads and scout. Simple as that even if you go from 1 day a week to 4 or five it's an improvement and the benefits are 10 fold. Another great vid 👍
Agree 100% people want the same result as someone tha puts in the time and develops the skills, but they don't want to put in the time or develop the skills🤣
I dont care what they tell you but no broadhead should cost more than ten dollars.
Most do today
Maybe if you’re only counting for the cost of material.