Florida State And Miami exiting the ACC TOGETHER??
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- Yesterday I discovered that Florida State had been talking to not only the SEC but also to the Big 10. The SEC hasn't shown interest in Miami. Could Florida State be planning on jumping from the ACC to the Big 10 With Miami?
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Hey @Gold&BlueDude, you’re wrong about FSU’s 2013 national championship with Jimbo. That natty was accomplished with Jimbo’s recruits (not Bowden’s). 2013 was Jimbo’s 4th year as the head coach. The only Bowden era recruits on that 2013 team that had significant playing time were Bryan Stork & Jaccobi McDaniel.
Pretty much all the major contributors on that team were from Jimbo’s 2010, 2011 & 2012 signing classes. Plus, don’t forget that Jimbo was the OC at FSU for a couple years before being named head coach. So had his stamp all over the program.
I am not happy with the way Jimbo left the program as you pointed out, but he does deserve credit for building that 2013 team and winning 29 games in a row during his time at FSU.
Florida State and Miami goes to the BIG 10 along with North Carolina and Virginia, Oregon and Washington, Stanford and California. A 24 team BIG 10?
It is too much for the Big Ten Conference to have 24 teams
Keep throwing darts. One is bound to stick sooner or later
FSU in the SEC
Miami B1G
Don’t worry about the rivalry, we will still play them every year regardless their not scared like the gators
AAU membership and research revenue is very important to the Big Ten. The majority of Big Ten schools each generate research revenue ranging from over $500M/yr to well over $1B/yr. Miami's $381M/yr and Florida State $350M/yr puts them in third from last place and second from last place (respectively) in the Big Ten along with Nebraska ($320M/yr).
As far as TV markets - Miami is #18, Florida State is situated between the #43 TV Market (Jacksonville) and #108 TV market (Tallahassee).
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Good points about research money. The B1G looks long and hard at that. TV markets are less a factor than people think. FSU is a much larger school than Miami and therefore has a much larger alumni base... many of which live outside the Jacksonville or Tallahasssee markets.
Miami is not afraid of FSU
Miami is not afraid of FSU
I’m not mad at the SEC because no one from the SEC ever said they’re weren’t interested in bringing in Miami. For one thing nothing involving this conference realignment has been put out on front street…everything has been in secret. We have to stop assuming things and advertising them as stated facts. No conference would put out a list of teams they’re coming after. As a Miami fan I would rather Miami go to the weakest Power conference possible…makes going to the playoffs easier.
@ Adam - Thank you for posting an intelligent opinion. I don't know what caused GBD to become an obvious Gator hater but it's really disappointing. The University of Florida has absolutely ZERO say in who the SEC adds or removes period! Suggesting otherwise is bulls**t. For example, the SEC did not take a vote on Texas and Oklahoma joining the conference. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey and the board of directors make those calls. The SEC does what is in the best interest of the conference. They don't get Florida's permission to do a damn thing. Furthermore, Back in 1990 the SEC offered BOTH Miami and Florida State to join the SEC and BOTH schools said NO. It is fact and you can easily look it up yourself on the internet. So this horse crap that GBD is peddling is nothing more than clickbait. As for Florida playing Miami every year it just does not make sense for either school. If all three Florida schools play each other every year it only benefits the opposing teams on each schools schedule because we florida teams would be eliminating each other from play off contention and NO other schools in America would have as difficult a schedule as our schools would.
Actually, the SEC Commish has spoken about wanting the Mia TV market. I still think Clem, Fl St, UNC & UVA are the top 4 on the SEC wish list though. Mia is provably 5th.
@@j.w.s.743 No offense, but all the Florida schools don't need each other to eliminate each other. They are all already bad (Florida's alright I guess). Heck, Florida State lost to an FCS school last year.
@@blackflower1424 "Florida's alright...?" UF is on it's 5h coach since 2010 and they also lost to an FCS school recently, a game in which that team beat UF by only throwing 6 damn passes. If that's "alright" then I don't know the definition of that word.
@@williamfreeman8210 I mean compared to the other 2. Not other p5 programs. Miami may have won more games, but Florida had a tougher strength of schedule
I recognize that the ACC has excellent talent behind only the almighty SEC. That’s why i want them to stay together. I know that they don’t make enough money so how about you take the ACC teams without SEC rivals and have them play an SEC game every year. Let’s do Miami vs Lsu every year
I'd love to see FSU in the B1G playing Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State every year. Miami would be a nice addition too. I just don't see it happening due to the ACC's GOR and factors like the AAU requirements from the B1G. In my opinion, the B1G needs better brands in the conference in order to keep up with their TV demands and expectations. Adding USC is a game changer for the B1G. It needs to be followed up with brands that people want to see on TV. When the B1G added Maryland and Rutgers, my first thought was, why?! I don't care to see them on TV. I get it, it's for more TV exposure. However, if their brand of football is trash, then they are only good for regional coverage. Adding better brands, you become more of a national brand...must see TV. Adding teams like what's been suggested (Cal, Stanford, maybe Washington) would be like adding Maryland and Rutgers all over again. No thanks. As a B1G fan, FSU and Miami is nearly must see TV. When they're both doing well, I'm watching with my Beer and Tacos in hand.
This will give you an idea of how the Big Ten operates: th-cam.com/video/Vm13laCeh0o/w-d-xo.html
Contrary to popular belief, the crown jewel of Big Ten membership isn't athletics. It's the Big Ten Academic Alliance which generates tens of billions of dollars of research revenue per year - making the latest media rights contract and athletic dollars look like mere pocket change.
You have to take 4 to even consider it. So what's going to be Georgia tech because of the market Virginia tech North Carolina and Virginia pick two of those.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 I really loathe reading this same stuff over and over again. I would agree that there are academic upsides to joining the big-10. I think anyone would. But the actual "alliance" doesn't generate jack in research revenue. Each school conducts its own research and applies for its own grants (and GENERATES ITS OWN REVENUE, as far as getting grants is "generating" anything). They may do so with a partner institution and that institution might be another big-10 institution (ACC schools do research together too sometimes, especially the "research triangle" with each other and the Virginia schools). The "alliance" isn't much more than a big job networking and library sharing system. The University of California has a similar system that UCLA may still benefit from (I don't see why not).
No one moving to the Big-10 will be getting access to some additional research revenue by virtue of moving. These are giant research institutions in their own right. AAU status suggests as much (and even Nebraska was formerly a member). Schools don't share that and it goes to the individual institutions from states and the federal government. If the alliance or athletics conference adds anything at all to that, THAT would be pocket change.
>When the B1G added Maryland and Rutgers, my first thought was, why?! I don't care to see them on TV
Apparently millions of viewers did in 2006: th-cam.com/video/NwqiEgyL0PQ/w-d-xo.html
This game illustrates the potential Rutgers has to develop into a national brand. It was also one of the games which provided a springboard towards their Big Ten invitation.
NOTE: This was Rutgers during year 6 of the Greg Schiano I era (2001-2011). Greg Schiano returned as head coach and is currently in year 3. Louisville QB Brian Brohm is now the head coach at Purdue.
Moral of the story: Win and they will come. Even in a pro-sports area. The video provided evidence of that.
I know you didn't put washington in same class as rutgers.. do your homework before running your mouth.. washington made a bowl game every year since 2010 before missing 2020 because of covid and off course last year...YOU WELCOME
Jimbo is a toolbag but it isn't fair to say he won his national championship with "Bobby Bowden recruits". For one thing, Jimbo was the major recruiter or hired the recruiter of most of those great recruits (not all though) and most came after Bobby left. Jameis Winston, Roberto Aguayo and Dalvin Cook (2014 freshman), all key point scorers in Jimbo's two championship runs, were very young in 2013 (the first two were red-shirt freshmen and Dalvin was finishing high school).
If you're the Big Ten you should go after the University of Florida if you want to be in Florida along with Vanderbilt. They are academically and culturally the best fit and it weakens your strongest rival. If they also add Stanford, Cal, Washington, Ga Tech, UVA, UNC, Duke they would have nearly all of the most academically relevant universities in FBS.
Big 10 is going to take someone eventually. From a numbers perspective, It would be FSU; however, I can see the Big Ten taking both Miami and FSU. This IMHO, would be the ultimate checkmate for the SEC. The Big Ten would always be the bigger and richer brother. SEC better make some moves or it's going to be over. In many ways, this is like a Presidential election. There are only a finite amount of schools to "win". It's up to one conference to get the needed brands to cross the "best" conference threshold. No disrespect to the SEC, but when you're talking endowments and overall $$, the Big Ten schools are quickly distancing themselves from the SEC in total worth.
FSU and Miami to the Big 10
YES!
Not habbening. FSU will go SEC.
I feel Miami is more of a big 12 school and would love to see the dynamic in that conference. I feel the big 10 would fit better with north Carolina and ncst
If the b1g comes after ACC schools I will put them in the following order Virginia North Carolina Georgia Tech Duke may be Clemson maybe pit or Boston College although I doubt those last two are an option reason I put Duke on there is their basketball is a nationwide program and they are also in AAU School
Academically NC & Va are better suited to Big 10. Athletically they belong in SEC. NC/SC rivalry in FB & BB was wild & woolly when SC was in ACC. They still play FB occasionally & the fan bases still hate each other. They now play at Panthers stadium in Charlotte. To put that game back on a yearly basis will pack the stadiums & put eyeballs in from of TVs & computer screens. Va & Ky would be a good matchup of schools in neighboring states. NC vs Ky in BB will bring a National audience. NC vs Tenn in football would be a great game.
Duke would go into SEC if they need a school that Vandy can beat in football or SEC wants to collect BB blue bloods with Ky/Duke/UNC. Otherwise Duke in either conference makes no FB sense.
GT in SEC would revive GT/Tenn, GT/Alabama, GT\Vandy & GT/Auburn rivalries.
I’m done watching anything with you, you are completely clueless. I am yet to see any sources apart from comment sections on social media. And to the best of my knowledge you have been wrong about everything you predicted, guessed and/or talked about.
Well, ... BYE !!!
Personally, I wouldn't put it past the B1G to make a play for FLORIDA and TEXAS A-&-M. The B1G would love to establish a presence in Florida and Texas. As Dude pointed out previously, the Aggies are unhappy about the manner in which Texas and OK were added to the SEC. Florida might consider jumping to the B1G a move up academically and financially. Plus an easier path to the playoffs (?). Then add Stanford and Washington to finish the west coast. (Oregon would find a landing spot somewhere else.)
I’ve been saying that
Florida is a big ten school. Look at their rankings, size research, they check all the boxes.
Just go for the kill shot and invite Florida and AM.
If the University of Florida has anything to do with it, they will never let them into the SEC. UF had prevented FSU from joining the SEC for 50 years. They asked FSU to drop Miami from their schedule 30 years ago and that is one reason FSU joined the ACC. UF stopped playing Miami regularly in 1984 after Jimmy Johnson won a national championship. If the SEC does not tighten up UF, I see FSU and Miami going to the Big 10. I agree FSU would be a better fit for the SEC and I think after Miami plays Texas A&M this season that might change some minds about what Miami can do.
Gold and Blue man…entertaining as hell, but loves stating opinions as facts.
Going to any other conference is better than the ACC
Nah, I wouldn't want those two poverty team into the big ten. I would take Duke and North Carolina instead of them two. Then we should add Washington and one other school.
If both go to SEC then SEC would get Clemson, NC, Virginia, Miami, FSU and okst
UNC / UVa will be big 10 bound
You know what I really think GBDude....I think theres going to be a battle over 8 teams in the ACC to go to B10, SEC, BIG12. In order Clemson, FlState, Miami, NorthCarolina, VaTech, Louisville, NCState, Syracuse in that order. BC, Duke, GT, Wake, Virginia, Pitt, UConn will join the Big East and that league will have football again.
The only battle that would matter would be the SEC & B1G over the schools of mutual interest. Of the current ACC, that's UVA, UNC, likely FSU, maybe MIAMI, maybe DUKE, perhaps maybe CLEMSON.
Great Video. I know Florida state and Miami want make more money but the BigTen 👎. SEC would be best choice for both. Florida Gators better suck it up with Miami Hurricanes. This scenario is similar to what Gold & Blue said about Texas & Texas A&M.
Maybe the adverse effects of the Atlantic Coast Conference dissolution might have a chance for either the Southeastern Conference or the Big Ten Conference, so they can pickup the Florida State Seminoles and the Miami Hurricanes. But the domino effect of the dissolution of the Atlantic Coast Conference could also be a perfect opportunity for the Sun Belt Conference, so they might pick up the Jacksonville State Gamecocks, the Sam Houston State Bearkats, the Western Kentucky Hilltoppers, the Middle Tennessee Blue Raiders, the UTEP Miners, and the New Mexico State Aggies, thus the Sun Belt Conference becomes part of the NCAA's Power 5 Mega Conferences largely due to the dissolutions of the Atlantic Coast Conference and Conference USA
All of them should be in the SEC. Florida get over yourselves already the seminoles don’t get along with the hurricanes either but you don’t see them trying to avoid playing them. Oh wait that’s right they can’t avoid playing them because they actually want to play them every year and they actually do play them every year. Pathetic gators.
Va Tech is a better choice over Va
To the SEC for sure, but the SEC will take UVA (and perhaps DUKE) to secure UNC.
I actually respect FSU and their fans as a Miami fan. I don’t want to see Miami in the Big, at all, no thank you!!! Waiting for Tar Heel to express his ultimate wisdom on shit he has no idea about. FSU and UNC can go to the Big or Sec. Let Miami go Indy, ACC, or 12
I hear ya!
Miami is not going to go independent again. They want that guaranteed BIG payday from either the SEC or BIG10 now that they have been used to reoccurring tv contract money since joining the ACC.
"I don’t want to see Miami in the Big, at al... Let Miami go Indy, ACC, or 12"
Notwithstanding your fan preference, do you think MIAMI would opt for going indy, staying in a rebuilding ACC, or joining the new bIG12 in a P2 world over a B1G invite?
"Waiting for Tar Heel to express his ultimate wisdom on shit he has no idea about"
a) Thanks for waiting
b) I've been rather accurate for someone who has no idea. Better to be lucky than good?
"FSU and UNC can go to the Big or Sec."
Okay, but wouldn't that effect the attractiveness of the rebuilding ACC option? Good or bad?
You’ve been lucky at guessing so far, I give you that!!! I don’t want to see Miami in the Big, UNC can take their place. So where is Miami going since you have the knowhow?
the only way to break acc grant of rights is for 8 acc teams to vote to break it. 4 to sec and 4 to b1g. can b1g and sec agree on how to split teams.
ACC has some great brands. I can see SEC and Big Ten easily see interest in eight teams: Top could be Miami, FS, Clemson, Virginia and NC which only leaves three to break the Grant of Rights. They still have Virginia Tech, NC State, Syracuse, Louisville, Pitt, and G Tech (BC & WF not so much). If one of the two big guys pluck VA an NC, the other could get VTech and NC State. This leaves only one needed with four options. G Tech gives the Big Ten presence in Georgia while Pitt gives SEC some penetration into PA. Syracuse is a good northern coverage team for the Big Ten while Louisville could be a natural SEC team. Hope it doesn't happen but I could see it as possible.
None of those 2nd group of teams will get SEC/B1G interest & will probably be sent to the Big 12 or worst, the G5, that is why they won't vote to break up the ACC. GT gives the B1G nothing, they are what Cinci is to OSU, an after thought in the state. Same with Pitt to PSU. SEC would have no interest in them, much more apt to go to Big 12. Remember when you are getting to these 2 conferences you are talking about teams having to generate AT LEAST their share of the $. So if B1G teams are making $100M/team, then the teams they take on have to add at least that or they would be losing money.
When is WVU joining the ACC???. You said it!!!
Could you imagine if while all the talk is a West Wing the B1G is actually eyeing a Southern Wing with 2 Florida Schools and 2 Texas Schools to pair with their 2 SoCal schools. That would put them in the top 4 tv Markets and top 3 recruiting markets.
Which 2 Texas schools are you referring to ?
@@paulkweiner6577 Some made hay about TCU to the big ten off a flight to chicago by one of their regents a week or so ago…..I’d guess Baylor would be the only other one that would get some level of consideration….
Yes. Texas and ?. Both mostly Texas high school players.
@@agricola
Neither of those are big 10 material
@@paulkweiner6577 idk, but based on expansion history and not having UT or A&M available I would guess TCU, SMU, or Rice. Criteria for B1G expansion:
1) Academics (every institution has to meet)
2) Market/Fan Base size
3) Football Pedigree
SMU and Rice are G5 schools, but until the additions of Nebraska, Rutgers, and Maryland the B1G only expanded by adding non power conference schools. All 3 fit the academic requirements and would be in the top half of the conference academically. TCU is not a research institution so the B1G would need to make an exception on that for TCU. TCU and SMU are in the Dallas/Fort Worth media market which is #5 in the country. Rice is in the Houston media market which is #8 in the country. None of the 3 have a really great football pedigree. So all 3 meet at least 2 of the B1G'S criteria for expansion, but I doubt they are actually being targeted. The post was just meant as a funny thought.
Miami doesn’t get along with anyone
Or the SEC could not tell Florida like they did Texas A&M before they could counter the Texas coming to the conference
Something is brewing and BIG AND SEC COULD take teams to get to 20 from ACC
If Florida can keep Miami out of the SEC, that should REALLY piss off Texas A&M because of Texas being let in behind their backs.
Neither one going anywhere is my best guess.
I live near VT all the local channels are saying VT lost so many players last year transfer portal and graduation . Entire new coaching staff. Defense got absolutely lit up last year.. wouldn't be suprised if Old Dominion /liberty and I Uva beat them . Play OD and Liberty . Local news channels are saying VT is the 3rd best college TEAM in Virginia . Behind liberty and Uva ..
Local news channels are saying VT will be between 5-7 6-6:at best
I just really want to know what these fans and teams are going to think when they have a Down Season and have to fly across country five times to get their heads bashed in please tell me gold and Blue Dude I know you guys are already in this situation how does that feel
😂
I love the Big 12 and I would say it feels pretty good.
@@calebrichards86 When FSU was very good in the 80's we played Ohio ST , USC , Michigan and beat them all ! only USC came to Tallahassee ! Outside of Ohio St Big 10 teams need more team speed ! A good FSU and Miami would help Big 10 top schools with Southern style of football before they play SEC schools in the playoffs.
What inquire outside the tent? Just poll the BAMA basketball team.
FSU wishes they still had Jimbo, and he might have stayed in Tallahassee if but for his wife knocking uglies with a former Florida player.
Jimbo's claim to fame up until this point was Jameis Winston. Before and after he's done squat.
It was a UF receiver (now former) who she was having an affair. Jimbo lost focus on FSU’s football program. I don’t think he could ever get over that betrayal living in Tallahassee and coaching at Florida State. Most people think Texas A&M outbid Florida State. That is untrue. FSU’s offer carried incentive: Jimbo made more money by winning the division, then more by winning the ACC, more for making the playoffs, more by making it to the National Championship game, and then more by winning the National Championship. Texas A&M’s offer did not mandate conditions in order to get that fat paycheck. 🐴🔥🏹
Both in the SEC and Florida will just have to deal with it
That's ridiculous and won't happen.
G&B mentioned FSU wanting Miami to go with them as package deal to SEC. This makes perfect sense because Miami is in ACC only because FSU wanted them in.
Back in 90s FSU, Ga Tech, & Clemson told ACC to expand to 12 to get Conf champ game & the money that went with it or they would leave ACC. That meant 3 new teams & Miami absolutely had to be one of them. The other 2 didn’t matter. Originally it was supposed to be Syracuse & BC, 2 teams that had been on their hands & knees for years begging to get into academically-minded ACC. Internal & external politics got Va Tech to take Syracuse’s slot but FSU didn’t care. Univ of Hawaii & Alaska-Anchorage could’ve been the other 2 teams for all FSU cared. The objective was to get Miami in (& any 2 others) & get the Conf CG.
Btw, this is why ACC had its crazy division alignment. One of the stipulations was that FSU & Miami had to be in different divisions. The 2 schools, which at the time were both National Title contenders, didn’t want the loser of their game to be hamstrung (like Alabama & LSU were during the last few BCS years). They expected to be the 2 best teams in the conference & be the 2 teams in the conference CG year after year & have a rematch. Didn’t work out that way but that was the objective.
a) i suspect that BC was a MIAMI demand
b) Can't see the B1G taking both FSU/MIAMI nor the SEC unless defensively
c) If the SEC is taking both, that suggests that the SEC has lost out on UVA/UNC and wants to keep the B1G out of Florida
@@tarheel7406 Not certain about BC being a demand since ACC diddled around.
Original group was Miami, BC & Syracuse. UVa & Virginia politicians demanded VaTech with Governor making threats & UVa planning to oppose all expansion unless Va Tech was apart of it. ACC caved & invited Miami & Va Tech ONLY which gave them 11 schools.
I think that if Miami insisted on BC then BC would have gotten the invite then. Instead the vote on the 12th school came on a later date. In fact the invite vote was so late that it was after the departure deadline meaning BC had to be in Big East 1 year longer than Miami & Va Tech & ACC had to operate with 11 teams for a year. One detail I can’t remember is-did ACC vote on Miami & Va Tech in/out only or did they approve Miami & Va Tech, declined BC & Syracuse before finally approved BC later.
@@Manolo0528 Your history supports my claim that BC was a MIAMI demand, as does BC being 1 of MIAMI's 3 perms
@@tarheel7406 Then BC should have come in with Va Tech & Miami if Miami made it a stipulation. Instead it didn’t have the votes until later.
@@Manolo0528 The Virginia Governor's intervention was disruptive and neither the decision to expand nor the actual invites were unanimously approved. Most likely VATECH alone was good enough for MIAMI under the circumstances with a promise to try for one of the two that were bumped ASAP. Clearly a #12 was compelling for an even number and championship game. To sate MIAMI, another unusually rapid expansion with BC followed the next year and was unanimous due to the circumstances.
While the decision to expand wasn't unanimous, I believe that MIAMI, BC & CUSE did have the votes as that reconciles with the reported history.
There is no doubt in my mind, regardless of no smoking gun, that MIAMI requested BC as a +1 and was sold to the other members partly on the Boston "market" similar to how MD/RUT were sold to the B1G members.
Today “In my opinion FSU feels more like the SEC”.
Tomorrow that same set of details turns into “FSU announced that they fit in the SEC better than the B1G”.
See how this game is played? “Sources”!!!!!
In the next 2 - 3 years NOBODY IS GOING TO WANT TO PLAY MIAMI.
That's why SEC & Florida don't want MIAMI yes, in addition to the
ENDLESS RESERVOIR of LAMBORGHINI talent that's in Miami. Go CANES!!
The SEC has thumbed their nose at Florida State so many times since the 1950’s and they still haven’t gotten over FSU picking the ACC over them.
That said, the SEC going with Texas A&M and Missouri over FSU in 2012 and Texas and Oklahoma in 2021, as an FSU fan, I’d prefer to be in the SEC, but wouldn’t be mad if FSU and Miami both spurn the SEC and join the B1G.
Adding FSU and Miami to go along with USC/UCLA would put the B1G over the SEC and it would crush the SEC’s Florida pipeline.
The SEC is playing with fire. If they want FSU and Miami, they better strike quickly.
It’d be even better if the B1G was also talking to Clemson and North Carolina too.
As an FSU fan/alum, I want to see FSU (and Miami) in the Big10 vs SEC if the ACC breaks up. If FSU goes SEC, most of their games will be unwatchable for me... painfully uninteresting and boring, e.g., FSU v Vandy, FSU v SC, FSU v Miss St, FSU v Tenn, FSU v Missouri .... the only ones I'd watch FSU v Bama and FSU v Oklahoma and maybe FSU v LSU.
Ryan, the SEC didn't choose TAMU and Missouri over FSU. Notre Dame called ESPN and expressed interest in joining as a partial in the ACC. The Irish had one condition, Clemson and FSU had to remain in the ACC. That's what killed FSU's move to the SEC. The SEC has wanted FSU ever since they chose the ACC back in 1990. And they still want FSU.
@@jkmarshall3553 it’s opposite for me. I’d love to see FSU playing Ohio State, Michigan, and USC, but no interest in the likes of Minnesota, Purdue, Northwestern, etc.
Vanderbilt, SC, Mississippi State, etc, are close, would be good regional rivals, and within a reasonable travel distance.
As an FSU alum and booster, I really don’t like the SEC. The bias on ESPN has angered me for years,and ESPNs slant toward the SEC actually made the SEC better over that last 10-12 years. So I would rather we go to the B1G.
I am laughing that Blue and Gold says we get along with Florida. No way. I wasn’t even allowed by my dad to date Florida guys. He was worried about a ‘mixed marriage’.
@@Msseminole lol, I get what you’re saying, but throughout the 50’s and 60’s, Florida was routinely one of the only SEC schools that championed SEC membership for FSU, they did so again in 1990.
There’s a definite rivalry and hatred, but FSU/Florida have a better relationship than Florida and Miami have. As BGD was saying, Florida refused to schedule Miami for many, many years. They hate each other.
Seriously, what is Florida's problem? If the rumors are true, why does one school control what happens for the other 15 schools?
Once the rumors started that the SEC didn't want Miami, I was immediately thinking we (the Big Ten) should take them. And I say this as someone who grew up hating Miami, especially in the Vinny Testaverde era. We could have the "west wing" with USC, UCLA, Oregon and Washington, and then we pick up Miami and one other ACC team. Or maybe Miami and Stanford.
I think you mean Stanford and Washington
Oregon brings nothing of value
Per Kevin Warren in an article written last month from the Athletic by Brett McMurphy. Kevin Warren was on record stating membership with the AAU is not required to join the B1G. This paves the way for FSU and Miami.
That was an OBVIOUS wink and nod to Notre Dame. Any other school can forget about an invitation without AAU membership. A lot of people took Warren's statement way too literally.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 I suspect that a Florida footprint is attractive enough to the B1G that an AAU exception is reasonable if the school is otherwise academic enough.
Warren's statement doesn't pave the way for (e.g.) IWSTATE.
West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas State, UCF, USF, Houston, Baylor, Texas Tech, TCU, SMU, Navy and Cincinnati to the ACC? A 22 team ACC. The Big 12 crumbles.
LOL
Sure
@@lordrayden3045 I can see a rebuilt Tier 2 ACC looking something like that. It may make sense for the remainders to reorganize east and west.
What about the GOR?
Exactly, that's what has to get figured out. That's the brick walk everything hits..
I 100% agree..and did you see that little rant Jon Waffles went on?
I don't remember what video I commented this own but I'll reapet myself the B1G would be crazy not to take fsu and Miami and cut of the state of Florida from the SEC the state of Florida is where all ncaa teams want players from and no one can denial that but looking into the future of both of these programs fsu isn't going to be the best brand Miami will be competing for a national title in 3 to 4 years look at the recruiting look at the coaching staff they have awaken the sleeping gaint
The SEC already has FLORIDA (the flagship), so please explain how the B1G taking both FSU/MIAMI cuts off the state from the SEC.
@@tarheel7406 so your telling me that if the B1G which is paying their teams more than the SEC teams get paid that wouldn't have more kids out of the state wanting to stay home and play for fsu or Miami and plus the way it's been going this year in recruiting head to head players between Florida and Miami 9 of 10 players are picking Miami
@@robwilson1516
a) The pros and cons of the different B1G options is a different discussion
b) I asked how the B1G taking both FSU/MIAMI cuts off the state from the SEC
c) Recent recruiting is not a large enough sample size
FSU does NOT get along with UF. Where did you hear that from???????
Miami... doesn't get along with Florida... Florida State DOES..
@@GoldBlueDude Nope
I think Miami still gets away with the reputation/brand they had 25 years ago. It is a very average program now and has been for a couple decades. I don't think they bring what everyone thinks they do.
Same can be said about UCLA but Big ten accepted them. Sadly realignment has nothing to do with on field success.
They bring fan viewership!
They bring tv numbers.. also, they’ve been misled for about 20 years from the president down. They’re finally reinvesting into the program. Imagine what that 70 million a year in tv rights will do
Miami is like the Dallas Cowboys. They haven’t won anything in decades but they have fans everywhere and next season is always their year!
As a U fan you are some what right. But we have had some decent years and have been deserving of a top 15 team and even top 10! Had Brad came back in dang can't remember ask GB lol it's after we beat WVU. But we could have been natty contender! After that and these coach Blah Diaz yrs have sucked! But once again to say we aren't heard of or a relic is a hard no!. 🤔 We still pump out Pro athletes like 🍬 🍫 🍭
From what I've been reading Miami has not had the best finances in the last few years Florida State's a little better off sure if they could jump to another conference they would do better but almost any school would say that that doesn't mean that a move is coming
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There are plenty of matchups I would love to see Florida State and Miami play against in the B1G {Miami, after years of improvement, gets revenge on Ohio State; Michigan getting revenge on Florida State - FSU used the game as a SOD game, etc.}. However, it probably would be best if Florida State and Miami could join the SEC together. Those 2 parts of Florida are too valuable of recruiting areas, fan bases, alumni, and money - to lose to the B1G. Florida Gators will just need to like Miami a little more. On this note, I am subscribing to your page now
I would like to see the SEC add 4 teams, Clemson, Fla St, Miami Fla., and Okla. St. Then if they decide to go to 24 teams bring in Tex Tech, Virginia, Va Tech, and West Va.
In order for the ACC’s GOR to be dissolved, 8 schools will have to support the breakup. So either the B1G & SEC both take 4 ACC teams (to go to 20 schools) or there becomes a mad scramble (where both conferences go to 24 schools). It would require the mad scramble case for WV, Ok St & Tx Tech to get in to the SEC.
a) Highly doubtful that the SEC prefers a 3rd Florida school and OKSTATE over footprints in North Carolina and Virginia, especially if there is a shot at the respective flagships.
b) Unless the B1G has lost interest (unlikely), UVA is not heading to the SEC sans UNC and with the likes of WVU
No way in hell sec takes okst
@@joe_zeay actually Okie St is being considered in the case where the SEC goes to 24 schools. I’m not convinced that the Power 2 scenario will ever happen though.
@@mikebuck1897 that would end big12 power 5 status. That'd 6 total schools taken by Sec.
AR MO A&M TX OU OKST
The Tomahawk Chop hey DUDE what will happen to Army will they play in a smaller division.
Florida State and miami should belong in the big 12
There are two main questions to answer if the BIG is where FSU and UM prefer to go:
1. How long will it t take to escape the ACC GOR? Worst case scenario is 2036 in which case this entire scenario could be a moot point.
2. Like conferences, the AAU determines who gets in and it’s on a purely an “invite list” only. It’s kind of like getting invited to a secret society… “Don’t call us, we’ll call you.” I also don’t believe there is an application process to the AAU so determining when these 2 schools MIGHT get AAU Membership acceptance could be next week or NEVER.
Correct - AAU is by invitation only. The application process occurs once a school has been formally invited. And they must be voted in by a majority of the AAU members.
Cause those baby lizards are chumps and wouldn't play us cause they was scared 🤣🤣🤣🤡s
FSU has to do some major facilities upgrades before they go to the SEC…they’re considered 3rd out of the big 3 Florida schools in terms of facilities.
Not true - we have new football dorms - a full size indoor practice facility - building a football only facility , already have a basketball only facility - have 80,000 seat stadium on campus we own. Will have major baseball stadium upgrade soon. Just open up new locker room at stadium - just open up new weight room ( when new football only opens up the one at stadium will be for none football and basketball ) One thing Jimbo did right was upgrading FSU facilities - FSU taking it to next level with new AD.
nah. don’t see how
Whats the 39th option?
At this juncture amidst a changing landscape - Florida State SEC, Miami Big 10.
I don’t think there is a cap limit when Kevin Warren when he said 20 teams I honestly think by 2025 or 2024 (maybe) seeing 24 teams
We know UCLA ( that whole block thing is not stopping them from coming let’s be real) and USC that’s 16 teams currently most likely I see them adding from west
Oregon
Washington
Stanford
Then as far as Midwest and east teams I see this
Noter Dame
Miami
Florida State
Clemson/Syracuse
Virginia Tech/ Virginia
Duke/UNC
If you go over 20 its not a conference its a league . SEC/ESPN league - add FSU, Clemson , VT , NCS , WVU , OK St, , Baylor , Louisville , Texas Tech = 25. Big 10 add Miami , GT , UNC , Virginia , Oregon , Washington , Cal , Stanford and Notre Dame.
If the Big 10 gives the invites, Miami and FSU will go together so at least both schools would be travel partners just as with USC and UCLA, if the SEC calls, I only see one of them going since Florida is already in the SEC and most likely it would be FSU unless all the other schools want Miami to join too, but the Florida-Miami relationship is the biggest obstacle.
The AAU has to give the invites first. When that happens, the Big Ten will send Miami and FSU invitations in a heartbeat.
USC/UCLA are travel partners. FSU & MIAMI are separate geo outliers.
Can we just move past all the eventual incremental poaching of the PAC and ACC get the final realignment that makes the most sense which is…
4 super conferences with 20 teams each with Norte Dame as an independent or in the BIG or ACC.
ND in a conference changes things but generally speaking the conferences should be something like this… understanding a few teams can be switched between conferences…
B1G adds Oregon, Washington , Stanford and Cal… possibly ND instead of Cal.
SEC adds Virginia Tech and Virginia and North Carolina and North Carolina State.
Big 12 adds Arizona, ASU, Utah, Colorado, Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville
Then the ACC and Mountain West and AAC… etc merge with the best 20 of the rest.
Perhaps switch a few schools around like Pittsburg and Miami and Duke … etc… go to Big 12 instead of FSU or Clemson if they go to SEC. Then Big 12 gets Virginia Tech and NC State.
Then you have a 12 team playoff where the top 3 schools from each conference make it and the 4 conference winners get a first round bye. Or, the 4 conference winners get in and then the next 8 highest ranked.
I'm thinking only schools that are fully vested in football thus have SEC with 20 , Big 10 with 20 + 1 and best of the rest in Big 12 with 20.
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Miami & Florida State to the big ten
USF to The ACC
B1G is going WEST they will pick up Washington, Oregon the Ducks are not going to be left out as well Washington. The funny thing is this love for Cal Berkley, LOL they are the ones outside looking in. Stanford is the only Bay team in. So it leaves one last west coast team to be picked. There is your 20 B1G.
"Going"? The B1G already went west and stopped. The rest of the PAC12 remainders are of likely no interest to the SEC, so the B1G is more likely to go south and then back west.
Always follow the $$$$, not sure anymore movements are coming after the UT & OU, USC & UCLA move, too much media money to lose by a majority of the smaller schools trying to move to P5 conference
There is no P5. This is about the future P2 and which schools provide the most upside in that closed world.
B1G could just take 6 from the ACC. Talk to the Big12 and have them pick up Louisville and Pitt and maybe Syracuse. That's enough to break the ACC. Still leaves two spots for Stanford and Notre Dame.
The 'Ville and 'Cuse would never hit the academic standards. FSU, Miami, Duke, UNC and GATech do. Pitt would fit as an AAU school. Penn State would not allow it
@@braddorholt1070 those five and Virginia. No pitt.
@@TestSubject38 Agreed! UVA is a terrific fit for B1G. The B1G could be 32 members before its all over?
Sorry, but FSU does NOT get along with Florida.... a lot of hate there. The Big 10 adding FSU and Miami would be BIG...adding the state of Florida would be HUGE for the television market AND for recruiting...WOW! As an Alum of FSU...would MUCH rather be in BIG 10 over the Hillbilly league.
Florida State and Florida do get along outside of sports. That's why they play each other year. Yes, they're rivals but they're willing to put up with each other..
FSU, the all girls school...
@@CharlesFosterMalloy That's right Charles......and when I went there it was STILL 3-1 girls to boys, it was great! Perhaps girls make you nervous? LOL Silly Charles doesn't like girls...
SEC
Miami needs to go to B1G
B10 wants miami.
If FSU and Miami get AAU status we know where there going. They want to go to the BIG10. GBD I agree with you to a point with FSU . It could hurt them going to the SEC not play wise but recruiting. My opinion they both goto the BIG10 because Florida will say hell not to this. .
FSU is headed to the SEC. Miami can go B1G if the SEC doesn't take them.
The Big10 have already said that AAU status isn't a deal breaker for admission at this point. So I can see FSU to Big10 whenever the GOR get's worked over.
@@jkmarshall3553 Yes but it helps a lot being AAU in the BIG10. Remember sometime they do talk out of both sides of there mouth. These conference presidents want to give hope to schools that want to come in.
@@jkmarshall3553You gotta read between the lines: That was an OBVIOUS wink-and-nod to Notre Dame.
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Warren said that
Warren doesn’t get to make decision.
AAU or they aren’t even taking your call
The perfect add to the B1G FSU, Miami, Oregon and Stanford, that'll be the B1G 20, until further notice.
UW is higher in the eyes of BIGONE than Oregon!
@@richardsather6010 I just think Oregon an AAU member along with the recent success in sports and Nike money is a better add in my opinion.
Just read again a prediction that OREGON will be losing its AAU status in the relatively near future and Nike money isn't shared at the conference level. Curious as to why you prefer double dipping into Florida with the #2/#3 schools and OREGON over flagship options in populated states and with much better overall academics and athletic programs.
STANFORD is a special case and can always be defended as a choice.
There is no right or wrong preference, just curious and do you think the B1G agrees with your preference?
@@tarheel7406 I'm truly thinking past just the money, even though Kevin Warren wants to use some of the TV rights money to pay players. He doesn't just want to but insist that it is to happen. I can't think of a better purpose to use that money on. I'm starting to see the big picture here of national competition. A normal regular season game can have the feel of a bowl or playoff game for the student athlete and fans. Can you imagine Miami and FSU going west to play USC and Oregon during the regular season? Instead of the ACC kids playing up and down the coast they could live a little.
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a) Didn't really answer my question(s)
b) I and others expect new parity rules in the future closed P2 world, including some from of "salary caps".
Knowing what I know now, I see FSU and Miami (FL) going to the B1G
Wow Sports Illustrsted has WVU 27-22. They said loss of Picket and Addison are huge . Said Slovis only had 2100 last year 11 Tds and 8 interceptions. Wvu has entire offensive line coming back . Big Time recievers and a 5 star 🌟 Qb ..Pitt has a good defensive line . But corners that are coming back have been torched the last few year. Defensive line kept them in most games
Florida State, a public state school and Miami, a private school only get along for that one Saturday in the fall, outside of that, they have no real dealings. FSU is not pursuing a package deal to take Miami with them anywhere especially since they can still schedule that annual football game as an interconference game, they did it for decades prior to 2004. And what tangible evidence does anyone have that Miami is being sought by either conference? Small private school with lacking facilities which barely sells half of tickets for home games, playing in a pro town and gets less than desirable tv/streaming numbers.
All true, except 17,000 is not exactly small, and everything you just described applies equally to USC - as does "the branding" - national and in South FL that is, like in SoCal.
People watch MIAMI play. They just do. They love to hate them. I love to see them lose, like I love to see USC, ORE and STAN lose.
I’m hearing about If the Big 12 don’t go after any Pac 12 schools they are in Trouble
as long as it doesn't end the VA tech rivalry Miami Hokie game. it can still be a constant out of conference game. I will say it again, as a die hard Canes fan, I would love to see Miami go back to being indy. Miami is in the best recruiting spot in the country. Its been that team from Gainsville that ended playing MIAMI. also, Miami was a baseball school before football, so they bring that and a growing basketball team
I think these schools are waiting for one of these conferences to offer to pay or at least loan them the money to buy out the GoR deal. Maybe FSU gets only 50 million per year for a few years and the rest goes to the ACC then they get the full amount
Ok one question how many teams has has 8home games and 4away games that's something I don't remember i or never paid attention.. wow that's a given season if you ask me
5th Choice - Nothing in the short run, since ACC GOR in place.
I still think Florida State, Clemson, North Carolina and Virginia end up in the SEC and Miami and some combo of others end up in the B10. Florida State and Clemson make the most sense in the SEC in my humble opinion but you could scramble the other two into the B10 as well. It's fun to talk about.
Honestly they're both better going to the big 10
I do hope to stay but if it’s what’s best for fsu sure
To answer his question, Florida State to the SEC, Miami to the BXII
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Thanks, I appreciate that!! To me, it's not about being right or wrong. It's about talking college football and TRYING to be entertaining while doing so!!!
@@GoldBlueDude I absolutely agree. Too many people fail to understand this. I get it. Keep up the good work.
Whoa! No escape from ACC contract!
An extended outro. That's unusual
As a FSU I prefer out of the ACC ( $$$ ) - play in SEC in 2026.
FSU and Miami have a long history working together - Miami was the first D1 to schedule FSU every year ! FSU push hard for ACC to invite Miami.
If ESPN does nothing and makes FSU others wait for GOR to expire FSU , Miami , UNC first choice will be Big 10 and Fox ! It will give FSU and Miami time become AAU schools ! Big 10 would have a strong foothold in the South with FSU , Miami , UNC and Virginia - would also have the best 24 schools and would have have top schools in all area's of country but Southwest.
Florida and Florida State are the old state schools of Florida - if your family has a long history in Florida you have kin that went to both schools. Most Miami students come from out of state .... most Miami fans in Florida did not go to Miami. Florida and Florida St are large schools FSU 46,000 and UF 60,000 students - Miami 17,500.
Miami a pro town - outside of South Florida Miami fan base drops off. UF and FSU are strong in all parts of the State. FSU and UF largest alumni outside of the State is Atlanta - Miami it's NYC.
Big 10 will be first to pounce , though they each have 16 still sec is clearly a tougher conference
That seems to be the trend. the BIG10 acts then everyone else reacts.
I can see the big 10 raiding the SEC and acc bringing the big 10 to 30 teams.
The ultimate lone superconference.
Only SEC teams that woukd qualify for the bog 10 are Florida and AM
And Vanderbilt
No way 8 teams leave. Have you seen the ratings for ACC. They literally have only 3 teams with decent numbers, and they are equivalent to Oregon. ESPN doesn't value markets the way the b10 does. ACC,b12,and p12 just don't move the needle.
a) Not sure about "ratings", but the viewership numbers are materially incomplete
b) Again, one most adjust for the effects of making the cut in a closed P2 world
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The BIG & SEC can only add 8 teams if they both go to 20.
Clemson, UNC, FSU, Miami, Virginia, VTech, Oregon, Washington, Stanford. That's nine. Pick one that won't make it and if you think someone ELSE is in, which other team is out?
They will need 8 from the ACC to make it work.
@@elliottcrews4997 Yes, if the B1G takes Stanford & Washington from the PAC, the other six need to come from the ACC. For the ACC to be broken up early at least 4 teams need to go to the BXII.
They have always stayed together, so most likely they both go to the SEC. But those grant of rights say neither is going anywhere anytime soon.
FSU and Miami have only been together for 20 years. The GOR can be dissolved if 8 member schools vote to dissolve the conference.
@@trclark7689 True. I meant they play each other annually and I don't think they would want to do anything to jeopardize the rivalry. Being in different conferences could do that.
If it's true that 8 schools can break the grant of rights, those 8 teams would have to have a more profitable conference to go to. Which 8 teams would vote to break it and where would they go?
@@Alohanate2004 at this point, I think the Big 12 pays out the same as the ACC. A lot of schools in the ACC (Pitt, Syracuse, Duke, Wake, GA Tech, BC, etc) know that the ACC is dead as soon as FSU, Clemson, Miami, North Carolina, VA, and VA Tech find a way out.
It would be in their best interest to try to get into the Big 12 while they can. If the SEC takes two, the B1G takes two, it’s not out of the question for the Big 12 to take four, or any combination of.
“Sources” said forever that Miami wasn’t as desirable among the Top 4-5 of the ACC concerning other conferences and now Miami and FSU are tied at the hip.
Miami is a private school that can't even fill their own on campus Stadium and they don't have the prestiges that used to have in the Big East or that they had as an independent or when they first came into the ACC all that Prestige went out the window after the scandals.
FSU in the SEC adds so much less value that moving to the Big 10. The SEC already has a footprint in FL. If the Big 10 could add FSU and Miami, then that would be huge for both the Conference and both Schools. A lot of us FSU fans view the SEC like we view Walmart (boring a f)... I'm sure the Miami fans see the SEC in the same way.
You don’t speak for the majority. Outside of Clemson and Miami, the ACC is boring af.
How excited will you be watching FSU play Rutgers, Indiana, and Northwestern?
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And FSU will have all the $
Florida St. and Miami going to the SEC. I don`t think the Big 10 is all that interested, however, the Buckeyes might since we have the so called South Florida Express.