I always TURN OFF future rides after I begin a trip. Then, when I arrive with passenger, I turn it back on and wait. This prevents me from making a snap decision on the freeway at 70 mph!
@@akcarlosh292 You can also decline it by pressing that "X" on the top right corner right immediately. I hate the pinging sound when an offer as bad as this example.
We've had upfront pricing in Atlanta since March. Here's my strategy to combat their BS. Deny, Deny, Deny and Deny 95% of all requests to get my formula that works for me. The formula is: 1) No passenger rating less than 4.90. Eliminates the majority of drama. 2) No ride request accepted unless the total payout is more than the total minutes (not miles) of the ride. Because time is money. And we all know that minutes far outweigh miles on virtually every request.
I learned a valuable lesson I had all 5.0 and yesterday I accepted a young lady at 4.3. A good trip but you can feel the drama and attitude. Boom she gives me a 1 star and now I will not be accepting any passengers with that rating again.
The reason I believe she gave me a 1 star because I asked her jokingly her rating is low and please don’t give me a problem. I guess she took issue with that probably.
I had a ride from rsw in Fort Myers to Tampa for 91 dollars. I arrived to pick the person up and asked what they had to pay for the total trip. He said he had to pay 160 dollars. I asked him if he was willing to cancel and pay me cash 150 dollars and he agreed. After I dropped him off he gave me a extra 10 dollars for a total of 160. I have no problem sticking it to the rideshare company when they take an average of 30-50% of every fare the rider pays! After gas and expenses for this trip I was able to make about 22 dollars an hour for the trip and this was getting 100% of the fare!
Not only that they removed all of the information from the receipt that has to do with what the customer pays and what Uber gets paid. They now keep us in the dark and only show us what we got paid
I can see how much total the trip was and the brake down of their fees. I took a screenshot, however I wasn’t able to add it in the comments…which by the way , we do not even make a dollar per mile , including time and distance!!!
Strongly agreed. Basic economic theory: Supply and demand. If all drivers decline, fares MUST go up to the point where there is a driver to accept it. Unite together, push the bar up. Push up the market equilibrium fare price.
People are desperate, all drivers won't decline. The free market eventually turns into exploitation by the people at the top. Without fair laws forcing companies to do the right thing, they won't once they've got people by the balls.
I know Uber doesn’t pay drivers for the pickup itself, but I’m going to include it in this calculation simply because the time and mileage used for the pickup is a very real expense drivers need to keep in mind. Sticking just with the first offer of $68.60 (including the pointless $5.50 boost), that’s a total of 102.15 miles you’re driving for this trip (not counting all the dead miles on your return trip). The current IRS standard mileage deduction is $0.625 per mile. So if we multiply 0.625 by 102.15, we see the IRS would allow us to record a $63.84 loss for this trip, out of your $68.60 revenue so we can say, if we want to be generous and ignore the dead miles returning back to the starting point area, that this trip will net you around $4.76 profit. I’m already too nauseous to calculate what that equates to per hour, but whoever wants to vomit can finish the calculation yourself. 🤢 🤮
Haha F that! I earn $130 with grub hub and only drive 50 miles a day.!!! My insurance went down by $2000 a yr cuz I drive less! My gas ⛽️ usage went down from $800 to $250 a month ! 1 oil change per yr! One set of tires 🛞 in three yrs michellin the best! I stay near my home so I only eat at home 🏡. Life is so easy now. I did Uber x for 7 yrs with 18,000 passengers! Never again ! No ratings no luggage no dogs no ride people or crazy women liars no wheel chairs no fleas my Lexus CT200h is like new cuz no more strangers in car to damage it like my Prius I had
@@nightowl6811 ive learned that GrubHub is still the only game worth left in town… at least on Ohio State’s campus during the school year - when those students are gone during the summers, GrubHub is worthless
I literally had a neverous breakdown yesterday, my mood was off because I made $1089.00 last week and spent $642.00 of that in gas. No, its not due to gas prices (they've gone down to 3.36 or so here in Dallas) but because of the dead miles I was BLINDLY driving trying to accept every trip to bring my acceptance rate up. I had to BORROW 400 bucks to pay my rent. I feel stupid. Am I stupid. Just bought a newer car, 40k miles, now at 55k in TWO months all so that Uber can take my hole with no Vaseline. This video is 2 seconds too late for me. I already started rejecting every trip that doesn't make sense. Uber keeps logging me off because I deny back to back to back. It's a waste of time, I won't ever do that stupid shit again. Fuck that acceptance rate....
You are exactly right, well done. Uber is stealing gas and wearing out our cars. They are scumbag thieves as far as I am concerned. As soon as I find something decent I am quitting this. And no one talks about the risk we take driving so much!!!
Haven't given a crap about acceptance rate since they stopped using it as a requirement for bonuses. This was years ago. I don't understand where new drivers are getting that acceptance rate is important.
@@stevengerendash7522right as long as my acceptance rate keeps me in my tier iDGAF .. I literally stay between 3-4% acceptance because idgaf I value my time
I’ve been doing upfront for a year. It wasn’t always this bad. But since June the rates have been cut in half. The boost is fraud, they simply adjust the ride lower so the price is what it should be without boost. I’m ready for a class action to be paid time and distance…PERIOD
Agreed. With upfront earnings BS, scale has been tipped towards drivers discretion. I have lately been asking riders for how much are they paying for their rides just to get an idea. Result is that ride-share companies are keeping an average of more than 50% of the money. So So So ridiculously unethical.
You are correct and if the passenger is interested I'll go offline and show the fare we're paid to the customer.... or the screenshot... not for symphony or tips... for passenger knowledge. My rating is 4.99 so it's not effecting that... My acceptance and cancellation rates are way down and it gives me pleasure!
I love being able to see where to the trip is taking me and I love the upfront pricing. I do however cancel any trip that is not in my best interest. i'm not moving my car for $3...
Quick screenshot + quickly accept + take your time and analyze the trip then cancel = bigger and bolder message to Uber because riders will always be late
The key is to figure out the ratio of dollar to mile, like $1.50 or $2 per mile, you are willing to drive for. Everyone needs to practice this conversion mentally, so it becomes second nature and you won't get excited by seeing a large dollar number pop up and then realize you made a bad decision.
Your right! But the problem is this. Uber has a never ending pool of idiots they can draw from! And these people don't know these rules. And in the end we can't ever really get in front of it as a "group" because the group is always chaining!
I quit my experimental Uber and Lyft driver jobs after only a a month or so here in the Central California region because pay sucked (averaged less than minimum wage). Especially after Uber started to punish the driver by hiding the details of the trip unless you maintained a 50% acceptance rate, that’s the day I turned off the app and quit.
@@lifesgoodeveryone5407 It was typical for both Uber and Lyft to pay about $3 dollars after putting in 15 to 20 minutes of time and mileage, to go pick up and drop off a passenger in this area. Then if not tipped (typical in this region) you must start deducting your fuel ⛽️ cost and maybe that ride earned you $1.50!
@@lifesgoodeveryone5407 , the most anyone can make net is $10-$15/hour. I've certainly grossed $35/hour at times, but the real earnings, net is NEVER greater than $15/hour.
The IRS says the cost per mile is $.585. This offer is 102 miles, which means the cost is $59.67 (102 x .585). Calculate profit: $68.60 - $59.67 = $8.93. If the trip takes 98 minutes as Uber claims, then the hourly wage is $5.95 ($8.93 profit / 1.5 hours = $5.95). If you have to drive back at your expense, it's even worse.
This is what I've been looking for! I have been spinning my wheels, staying out for 12 -15 hours, and barely making my daily goal. You have taught me how to calculate my rides and it will basically be nothing less than a dollar a mile. I will work in solidarity with "Uber nation" to ensure we get what we deserve. You are correct, we have to make Uber understand we are trying to make a living and we need better options.
@@kellyarchani4209 He problably does what I do. Keep turning the request off when a trip is not taking me to where I wish to pick up anyone. Than the driving to where he wants does not count as a drving time.
Calculate miles and time. Some trips have low mileage but really long time: 7 mile ride can take 30-40 minutes in some markets. You would be doing this ride for $7 in 30min before expenses.
Also I noticed when promotions are offered in certain areas, after driving the distance to get to the promoted area, Uber continuously sends trips outside the promoted area. Or a trip that starts in the promoted area but takes you quite a distance away from the promoted area. This company is clearly ran by narcissistic people. Far too many mind games & consequences for not playing along.
I added 2 signs I printed out and had laminated that say due to extremely high gas prices and uber taking 30-50% of every fare you pay, tips are greatly appreciated! Since hanging those signs I have had my tips significantly go up! I average 100 dollars a day extra in tips driving 10 hrs
Professor, you are very intelligent. There are many desperate drivers who will take the trip. You have to find another way to make a living. I stopped driving as of October of last year because of this. They want broke, 3rd world drivers working 12 hours a day for $150. By u talking will not ever change this. Their checkbook. Except it or leave.
I saw an upfront offer and I took it. Why? It was only 7 mile trip and the payout was 37 bucks! That kind of hit me by surprise, I was wondering why it was that high. Perhaps also because it was a scheduled trip, but the gentleman was already waiting outside and I didn’t have to wait. This is an example of it working and being acceptable. For 7 miles I think that was decent money.
I always shoot for a dollar or more a mile. My trip home Thursday, was 13 miles for $28. A driver is doing them self a disservice by taking all the garbage they throw at you.
SMOKE and MIRRORS my man. I've been driving about 8 years on and off. You DO get lucky on a few. But 99% trips aren't worth it. Ask yourself if they can pay you that amount for a 7 min trip. Then why CAN'T they pay you a FAIR fee for your other rides? If they did you would only hear POSITIVE feedback
Don't do food deliveries with Uber they show 10.00 to 17.00 but the actual pay is 2.97 to 4.11. In my city drivers are driving less more passengers are stranded. You have to hit the enemy in their pockets. Look out dor passengers that like to add extra trips drop them off at the 1st stop and leave. Passengers are being cheap not tipping and giving more attitudes which isn't worth it
There are so many drivers who literally refuse to calculate expenses. On my facebook forums, daily, I try to help people understand this. Its to no avail however as I get responses like this just yesterday. "I dont worry about all the wear and tear complaints and its people like you who shouldnt be doing rideshare if you do." Or this gem last week " You dont understand! You get back $.58 a mile from the government at the end of the year!" This poor soul literally believes that the mileage deduction is actually a check in the mail to them. These gigs know ignorant people and desperate people take these jobs. They prey upon them. And while your fight is a noble one, nothing will change for the better so long as we keep making more ignorant drivers. The guy I spoke to yesterday on a florida lyft and uber forum was arguing that people are stupid for not taking the following ride. $52 , 75 miles. I simply spelled out using national statistics what that means. 75miles 2 ways = 150 miles at 25mpg average car = 6 gallons of gas at $3.50 here in florida = $21 gas cost. 150 miles at just 10 cents a mile wear/depreciation = another $15. So $52 in earnings - $36 in expenses = + $16 net revenue for 2.5 hours. = $6 an hour. The guy continues to argue that im stupid and need to stop driving.
I experience the same with fellow drivers in my city. It’s a damn shame. But when the wear and tear adds up to some necessary major repair needed by a mechanic and they don’t have the money available to pay for it… only then will some drivers realize how extorted they are by these gig companies.
@@stratocoustic05 over 100k miles per year on this particular guys vehicle. $31k car, which is cheap in todays world. I mean are you going to get even 3 years out of a car at over 100k per year...........just in gig driving?
Very good video. All the newbies need to understand this figures and like you said “Instantly “ you need to decide. Those pay terrible. Bad thing is there are people that will accept that ride and never learn 🤦🏽
In the beginning Uber was good pre COVID more quest promotions like for example if you complete 10 deliveries in 3 days you get paid extra and another 10 deliveries quest will come up every Thursday
Every drivers should watch this video. This also applies to food delivery drivers. IF you still wanting that low offered money you still have to remember every single trip or delivery that you will accept also means you put yourself in a risk of a car accident plus you most likely have to come back to your location at the end if you go far away from your area/zone. Also not every single time but often I got $2-$5 less than the offered amount especially for longer trips time to time..worst feeling to have while driving
They just tried that on me the other day. 125 bucks for 180 miles. Absolutely I declined it. Unless my tax statements start saying w2, I will decline as I please.
I wish we drivers united and take this advice but just like you said it there are money desperate drivers they will accept anything. I'm a DMV driver since they bring this new up front price thing my accept rate is going down big time but more less I don't worry about what they do I'm only going to do what's best to for me.
i already quit 3 weeks ago, it is not worth it. my car is getting trash. working on retail now. made 19 dollars an hour plus benefits, uber and are scams .
I totally agree with your video from beginning to end. I hate that people cannot think. Everyone has to suffer because of it. We definitely need to stand up to bully billionaire companies that take advantage, and make them pay us what is rightly due other THEY WILL go out of business!
Every trip should start with a minimum charge of $10 upfront and $1 per minutes there after. Otherwise it's a waste of time driving uber. Drivers has to deal with so many different things, from weird passengers, smelly passengers, aggressive passengers , intoxicated passengers, traffic, and road rage etc. Intoxicated passengers rating drivers, that is not fair. Riders should not be allowed to rate drivers that are being picked up late at night from bars and clubs.
We can’t all stick together, because there are always those newbies who accept everything. I do UberEats, and I was waiting for my order and I kid you not … I saw a driver accept an order for $1 …. YES $1!!! I told her, she shouldn’t accept those orders, her response was “Why not, it’s money” I didn’t feel like breaking down gas, maintenance, time to her. I also ran into a guy, who bought a brand new $60,000 hybrid to simply do food deliveries. There’s all kind of naive, desperate, people out there.
If I have a trip from jersey goin to New York.. tolls are 16 dollars... it takes me 30 min 10miles and I receive 33 dollars leaving new York is terrible takes 1hr 20min to get back online. I learned my lesson I don't drive to drop off in new York 33 dollars Is the toll money and gas plus no tip
Living in the New Orleans area caused me to stop driving for Uber. The city is far too permissive with crime, mainly car jackings, for me. Even carrying a weapon, it wouldn't do much good when someone pops into the seat behind me bent on violence. The city is where the money is. So, begrudgingly, I put away my Uber sticker. That was/ is my only real concern. As a part-time employee I could always turn off the app and head home if the money wasn't right. It's a company; not an enemy. As drivers we have to figure a few work-arounds for Uber's objectionable policies as well as cooperate with them, so they can get paid, too. I've taken loser trips that I figured nobody would take when it was slower and (it seemed like) I was rewarded with some juicy trips later. The info gathered by computer algorithms is way too much for us to be made aware of while driving. The only way to find the "rhythm" is to experiment with different trip patterns/ areas, in my experience.
About 6 months ago I was offered a 2hr ride for $80, I declined. A minute later, same ride, $95, declined. 3 minutes later, same ride, $230, accepted, and got a $50 tip on top of it. Also got 5 rides on the way back to the airport I picked up from. This is true, when we decline rides with crappy payout, the payout goes up quickly.
I remember seeing a customer that paid $88 to go from Reno to Truckee but the driver was only going to get paid $70. It's 35 miles minimum each way so you're looking at about an hour and a half round trip and about $20 in gas so your net $50. I make more than that just driving around town and I don't have to waste all the gas. The crazy part is I'm putting about a thousand miles a week on my car. When I started driving at the end of January I had 112,000 on my car now it's at 142,000 as of the end of June
@@G_Moreno89 I had that happen multiple times, mostly late at night. Now I hit the coffee break and wait a few minutes before turning back on if I had to pause because of a shit ride!
I would never take a call like that ..... never ever ! To all drivers out there if you take a call like this you will end up broke and burned out very soon. Imagine all the traffic lights you will encounter in route if you accept this call and there is a road closures and a car accident and the police traps etc etc etc. The time wasted driving round trip when you could be taking smaller trips so that you could reach your goal and get your spare change bonus. A trip like that you will have to fill up your tank of gas that will cost you at current market price 30 to $40 so in reality you just took a call that only paid less than $40 for 6 hours of your time wasted. Assuming you took the second offer. Hoping that maybe the customer will tip you something to compensate for the gas and the oil change and the wear and tear of your tires. Longer calls need to pay more money that's the bottom line.
It's ALWAYS been like that. You set a destination and they send you on trips NOT going your way. Just push your decline trip button and turn it on when you get close to your destination to see if you can find some short trips. I've been driving 8 years.
@@wakeup833It works well late night in a rate card market. I use it in northwest Indiana but when I'm in Chicago it fails. Uber only seems to respect the filter if volume in your area is low.
Also uber has been giving rides for example for 13.00 then after the ride only paying like 10.88. Basically cheating the cost. I've screenshot both costs. It's time we strike not drive for a week and file a civil lawsuit. Independent contract or not you still have to pay what you have offered. Also there need to be extra charge for more than 2 riders. If it's 3 or more when I arrive I cancel the ride.
That's funny because that doesn't happen here in Baltimore Maryland it just goes to whoever didn't accept it if there's three people that didn't accept it or the other say four people are watching it and all four of us are just watching it it goes to the person that lasts clicked on it I assume because most of the time I end up getting all the short rods and then if another ride comes in that's less I get the lesser ride of the ride that I was looking at
I totally agree, we have to work together if we accept bs orders they'll keep sending them just say no ,these companies don't care about us we have stop think analyze and decide
How does declining trips does not affect your acceptance rate? Here in Vancouver, if your acceptance rate goes below 80%, you are not capable of seeing direction and approximate time of a trip. Hence, trying to keep it above that. That makes you accept most of trips that go your way. With this kind of system, the cherry picking might not be doable at all. Mine is always fluctuating between 81-85% so my work is somewhat predictable.
My strategy is the miles away and the miles from pickup to drop off have to equal or exceed $1.50 a mile or get a deny. And I won’t make a trip outside of 20 miles of my home or deny. I do this part time but I use my car full time and I feel my model keeps me profitable and have enough for fuel and maintenance cost. I try and stack trips less than 1 mile away from me and 2 mile distance to drop off at $5.00 +. This gives me more than my $1.50 per mile trip I am sticking to. My market here in San Diego you are able to stack 4-5 trips in an hour. I’m not making the $30.00 an hour as some get but I am also putting less miles on my car and getting more trips on my fuel. So I feel it equals out. Would like to hear some thoughts on my model.
I have been preaching this to both doordash and Uber drivers everywhere I go, but you see those thirsty people taking 10 Mile jobs that pay $3 because they don't get it, or they don't care. It is so frustrating!
I hope here in Vegas decline all the trash trips I uber today and all deliveries I received are all trash declined i think 30 times til im getting the decent amount $2 per mile...stopped picking up Walmart groceries pay is soooo bad and customers taking advantage not to tip the drivers for tons of groceries a case of water(40 bottles) to heavy to carry and ruthless customers who doesnt tip lives in an apartment doesnt give bldg number or unit number uts like a maze and once you politely asked them to include it for the future deliveries they will give you a freakin attitude...Done with cheap walmart pay...Ana here Uber eats driver from Las Vegas Nevada
I so agree with you... It's like they're taking money away from the actual cost of the ride to supplement "surge" or "top tipper". As far as I'm concerned the top Tipper seems to more so be a reason to decline a ride then to accept it because I will not be cheated simply because Uber itself does not want to pay me what I am worth they want the passengers to supplement their ride with a tip so that Uber can keep the rest of what should go to the driver.
I am so glad I watched this video last night. I was offered a lowball figure for a 45 minute drive to the Orlando airport earlier. I let it go by, pulled into a Wawa and waited two minutes. Uber re-offered the ride for an additional $25. Thank you for this information
I’ve been using Lyft more. Since Jan Uber has been trash. They stopped paying for long pick ups, they stopped giving good promotions. Where I live it’s been at $1.50-$2.50 & 40 trips for like $20 extra.. it used to be 40 for like $80-100. They no longer give you break downs of how much you’re being paid per miles/per min. And so much more.
They started doing this with Uber eats about 6 months ago.. I only do deliveries when Uber loses on the trip.. I always Cherry pick and decline.. I got to get paid
You need to have your vehicle cost per mile driven and cost per minute. As a starting point, for the vehicle, IRS deduction is currently $0.58/ mile, and if you wanted to make (for example) $20/hr, that would be $0.33/minute. So the actual job (without getting back to starting point) would be $96 (round up all numbers in calculation). Since this trip is out of your area, you need to figure the cost of getting back into your zone (trying to get rides to get back is risky), so maybe that is half way back $45, for a total cost of $141
Men I cancels a ride that was 120 miles to another state ! I said NO WAY ! Customers don’t know this factor ! When we take you to another state we are fucked ! Why ? Because I have to come back to that distance back and it don’t pay !
Just 3 or 4 months ago I was making OK money with Uber. Now this shit is out of hand and it made me quit Uber and move back to Lyft, Lyft is no better! I am going to put the hammer down on making my video about quitting Uber. Seeing your video is going to boost that. Thanks.
I looked at what would have been the “old” mileage rates from Lyft (Ubers should be the same). It was a .75 base rate, .645 a mile and .0825 a minute. If you include the .55 flat fuel surcharge, under the old rates this is approximately $71.70 with no bonus/surge/boost, whatever. It would have taken the driver straight up I-75 south of Ocala. This is now $68.60 with that “boost” included so it’s $3.10 less than before but now the driver knows exactly where they are going. I guess that’s the price “drivers” pay now to see that info. It’s sad. Earnings keep getting cut back in exchange for more information. However, the driver would now be in an area that (according to Lyft rates), a normal trip would become $1.50 base, $1.395 a mile and $0.15 a minute. So the driver (in theory of course) would end up in a higher paying area so it might not necessarily be bad if they accept that trip and if they don’t care that they have to drive a considerable distance back to their local area. There could be multiple ways to take this information. However, I looked up all of this info in 2 minutes from the comfort of my home which obviously I couldn’t do on the road unless I knew this knowledge already. Unfortunately too though, many parts of Florida pay terrible for drivers to begin with and now based on this video it’s even worse. Another slap 👋 in the face of drivers. I’m so damn glad this has always been part time for me. I make what I can and go home. I originally wrote this comment about 2 minutes into the video before seeing the $91.63. Now at that point, some more drivers may accept that trip since it’s closer to $1 a mile (not considering the drive back). Stay safe out there and squeeze whatever you can out of Uber/Lyft 🤷🏼♂️
See I do per hour wage - fuel cost. The 68 I wouldn't accept ever, but the 91 I'd accept start driving and start calculating fuel cost and divide by the time. Like I probably won't make 91 dollars in 3 hrs. If I'm gunning for a quest where I need rides that will come into account. Although what I've noticed is Uber will then give you quick rides when you have longer trips. I do think about the final destination if its busy etc. It also depends on when you started, 8 hrs in Im not accepting any long trips vs couple hours in more likely to.
Omg I knew it...I drive in Minneapolis and I knew something changed with how much we are being paid I just couldn't explain it...Airport runs have become less as well as the "long trips" smh but now I know what to do...thank you❤️
I can’t effectively evaluate these new “upfront” trip requests if I’m driving. What about the unsafe condition, I can’t read all the small print and keep my eyes on the road and calculate before the timer runs out. It only a mater of time till a driver gets in an accident because they were distracted trying to read these details. Yes, the new prices suck but it also puts us in danger of sever injury or death. Since I began driving my profit has been less and less, never an increase in pay. The only job I’ve had where pay goes done the longer I’m with a company.
John Monteen 0 seconds ago I always TURN OFF future rides after I begin a trip. Then, when I arrive with passenger, I turn it back on and wait. This prevents me from making a snap decision on the freeway at 70 mph!
I turn off new requests every time when my new riders are in the car and before I start the trip. I refuse to try to look at that crap with passengers in the car and besides that, Uber will generally not give you a surge you should get when it offers you a trip while you are still in a trip because it thinks you can't see where the surges are (but I learned this because I have 2 phones and CAN see the surges). So when I end the trip I can decide to try to chase a nearby surge or go right back online if I'm already in a surge. But I'm in Austin where there's almost never a lack of trips so I have the luxury of knowing I'll get another request immediately.
The new pricing model is so bad I stopped driving for Lyft and Uber completely. 95% of ride requests are unprofitable, and in many cases you will actually *lose* money by accepting the request (once you factor in all business expenses).
I just started doing UberX and for my first week I would only see the minutes it would take me to go and pick up the rider and the miles there. A week went by then Uber started showing more info like the amount we get paid, the miles we will travel to pick up the rider and the destination miles. Now when we get the offers we have about 3 seconds to either take it or pass.. at least now we can see the amount offered and where the drop off will be and based on that I can make a quick decision to either take it or pass! I always stay at at least $ 1.00 per mile.. everything else is garbage. I’ve also noticed that I actually make more doing Uber eats than UberX, with ride sharing 80% of people don’t tip, with Uber eats of course you also have to be selective and about 98% of people will tip.
If you think this is bad, try a similar trip on Lyft. Lyft now has upfront pricing and it's ridiculously worse than Uber's pricing. In my market, that ride would have been maybe $50 on Lyft.
On spot professor !! I am on FL Upfront Fares started 5 days ago on my market...it was the worst thing that happened...I felt a huge cut in my profit...Uber cut 90% of surges and the payment is lower per mile...I haven't used the Lyft app for almost a year...This weekend I only drove to Lyft because I was having more surges than Uber...I RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO USE LYFT NOW THE DIFFERENCE IN PAYMENT WAS HUGE!!!
Tampa driver here, and I wouldn't take this ride, but the destination is Wildwood which is near The Villages, FL. Depending on time of day, you could link this bad ride with very good rides back to Tampa or Orlando airports. This might work out in the big picture.
Also, you need to consider if you are in a place that you can get rides back if you use "set destination". What I noticed though this weekend is the offer time to accept or not has shrunk from like 5 to 3 seconds, making it tougher to accept or not. I focust on offer amount and combined time to get there, with actual ride time. I drive in Orange County, CA and there are always rides available, however, around 1:30am I started getting offers for 21 min away for $5, Then it jumped to $9, then $11. None of these included the actual ride time. WTF????.....in OC, there are ABSOLUTELY rides closer, but I wasnt getting them. As a result, I declined 5 in a row......and lost my upfront details. I called Uber and the rep said, "If you don't accept rides, then those are the consequences." This comoany wants slave labor. The quest bonuses are now a joke. This weekend was $65 for 50 rides, and $30 more if you did 60 total. But you cant reach those numbers if they only send far nonsensical rides. They obviously mess with the algorithm......what are the options? Either we all stop driving for a weekend, ir file a class action lawsuit. Your thoughts Professor?
They're playing with the destination fixture too I set my destination home going north and they sent me south I was driving and couldn't see where the ride was going to
I agree with that but we would have to get at least half or more of the drivers to do so in order to accomplish anything. Let me know if there's ever a national strike I'd stop as long as we need to for us to be paid fair
@@EdFromMoca their destination filter doesn't quite work at all.. like you said going home north and it will send me south, and also i noticed Uber won't offer a trip until i pass the exit, so now i have to go all the way up to the next exit and come back down, i feel it was waiting for me to pass it, happens all the time.. i just cancel those trips fuck them,,
Uber and Lyft are nothing more than a rolling sweat shop! I have been declining rides consistently for a year since this started. I look at the destination mileage first vs. the price... It has to be as close to $1.00 per mile with a short pickup on long trips. Decline, decline, decline!!! Great advice! Customers are getting wiser... with tact I'll ask the customer many times how much is the rideshare service charging is charging them... they are well aware of the price gouging these companies are committing!
And Torsten, This should be the wake up call here about being an Independent Contractor, It's what we should be fighting to be and having it be legally protected, Because in the end we have WAY more power when we can simply say no as individuals to these companies. That would of course mean Uber and Lyft surrendering the ability to create pricing to counties or states.
that is so true I have noticed over my time doing this I stopped taking those long trips because I will make more money per hour doing shorter trips especially if they got streaks and bonuses per pickup
Here in north Jersey we don’t know how much we’re gonna get paid or nothing u just gotta accept the job and that’s it and after is accept now u know how long is the pick up and u still don’t know how much u about to get paid till the ride is done
I've made two comments I'm with you! I'll say no! And I do. But the problem is that Uber has a never ending pool of newbies who don't know any better. These people see that order and instantly accept it. In the end this is what causes us the most loss. And that is that UBer can pool and "turn on" any new drivers. And these people have no idea what they should do. That is Uber's business model!
I got really lucky one day: A long ride got added to my queue before I could see the trip details. I was new to driving for Lyft and I was driving an EV so I accepted-Lyft gives me free fast charging. I was very lucky because everyone declined the ride and I was given a $200+ bonus (from Lyft) that was extra. And it was also a round trip back home! I made $478 for that trip. I didn’t get a tip from the passenger.
It is so so so true .. the upfront pricing is actually showing they are cutting down the rates in the end . Why they never stop manipulating their drivers with tricks 😬
How many people here would have taken that second trip fare? My guess is that 15-20 would have...for me, it's too long of a ride with a passenger and Uber isn't paying for the return trip. They likely charged the passenger $200 or more, laughing their asses off in the big office at our stupidity.
You have said the truth, you have explained everything in details, hopefully some of the viwers drivers will take some action. We have too many desperate drivers who do not think and use a bit of common sense. I'm a driver in London and it's been two years since I have started working for Uber, but I do make sure that I just don't jump into anything unless it is worthy.
I always TURN OFF future rides after I begin a trip. Then, when I arrive with passenger, I turn it back on and wait. This prevents me from making a snap decision on the freeway at 70 mph!
Smart men , I do the same on both apps , everything on these apps it’s a trap and lies
@@akcarlosh292 You can also decline it by pressing that "X" on the top right corner right immediately. I hate the pinging sound when an offer as bad as this example.
We've had upfront pricing in Atlanta since March. Here's my strategy to combat their BS. Deny, Deny, Deny and Deny 95% of all requests to get my formula that works for me. The formula is:
1) No passenger rating less than 4.90. Eliminates the majority of drama.
2) No ride request accepted unless the total payout is more than the total minutes (not miles) of the ride. Because time is money. And we all know that minutes far outweigh miles on virtually every request.
I like your strategy. 👍👍
👍I look at minutes and miles. Sometimes the time shows that something is strange about the trip because it is way too long for the number of miles.
I learned a valuable lesson I had all 5.0 and yesterday I accepted a young lady at 4.3. A good trip but you can feel the drama and attitude. Boom she gives me a 1 star and now I will not be accepting any passengers with that rating again.
The reason I believe she gave me a 1 star because I asked her jokingly her rating is low and please don’t give me a problem. I guess she took issue with that probably.
I just started doing that. I noticed after a few declines then they gave closer rides with better pay.
I remember taken someone 80 miles out in 2015 that was 286 dollars. Good times
😊 I started in 2014 when they came to Houston. Easy $600 on a normal day. Those days are gone
Passed on a $56 offer today for over 90 miles one way in NC. Uber has lost the plot.
Completely has lost its plot.
They are greedy fools.
I had a ride from rsw in Fort Myers to Tampa for 91 dollars. I arrived to pick the person up and asked what they had to pay for the total trip. He said he had to pay 160 dollars. I asked him if he was willing to cancel and pay me cash 150 dollars and he agreed. After I dropped him off he gave me a extra 10 dollars for a total of 160. I have no problem sticking it to the rideshare company when they take an average of 30-50% of every fare the rider pays! After gas and expenses for this trip I was able to make about 22 dollars an hour for the trip and this was getting 100% of the fare!
That’s the kind of math I like!
Lyft is worse wanted me to drive 60 miles for $35 rejected it so quick it was not funny
Not only that they removed all of the information from the receipt that has to do with what the customer pays and what Uber gets paid. They now keep us in the dark and only show us what we got paid
Yeah probably so we can't show the rider how little we got from the trip.
You can still see it but you have to to Uber partner which is a pain.
Sign in on a pc or the desktop version on your phone you can see everything!
I can see how much total the trip was and the brake down of their fees.
I took a screenshot, however I wasn’t able to add it in the comments…which by the way , we do not even make a dollar per mile , including time and distance!!!
@@jmartinez9332 what is uber partner
Unbelievable how evil this company is
And Lyft is worse!
They are thieves and they can continue because most drivers are stupid. Sorry but true.
We live in an unbelievable world 🌎😉
You are 100 percent Right.
EVIL AS HELL " RIGHT "!
Strongly agreed. Basic economic theory: Supply and demand. If all drivers decline, fares MUST go up to the point where there is a driver to accept it. Unite together, push the bar up. Push up the market equilibrium fare price.
People are desperate, all drivers won't decline. The free market eventually turns into exploitation by the people at the top. Without fair laws forcing companies to do the right thing, they won't once they've got people by the balls.
I know Uber doesn’t pay drivers for the pickup itself, but I’m going to include it in this calculation simply because the time and mileage used for the pickup is a very real expense drivers need to keep in mind.
Sticking just with the first offer of $68.60 (including the pointless $5.50 boost), that’s a total of 102.15 miles you’re driving for this trip (not counting all the dead miles on your return trip). The current IRS standard mileage deduction is $0.625 per mile. So if we multiply 0.625 by 102.15, we see the IRS would allow us to record a $63.84 loss for this trip, out of your $68.60 revenue so we can say, if we want to be generous and ignore the dead miles returning back to the starting point area, that this trip will net you around $4.76 profit.
I’m already too nauseous to calculate what that equates to per hour, but whoever wants to vomit can finish the calculation yourself. 🤢 🤮
Haha F that! I earn $130 with grub hub and only drive 50 miles a day.!!! My insurance went down by $2000 a yr cuz I drive less! My gas ⛽️ usage went down from $800 to $250 a month ! 1 oil change per yr! One set of tires 🛞 in three yrs michellin the best! I stay near my home so I only eat at home 🏡. Life is so easy now. I did Uber x for 7 yrs with 18,000 passengers! Never again ! No ratings no luggage no dogs no ride people or crazy women liars no wheel chairs no fleas my Lexus CT200h is like new cuz no more strangers in car to damage it like my Prius I had
@@nightowl6811 ive learned that GrubHub is still the only game worth left in town… at least on Ohio State’s campus during the school year - when those students are gone during the summers, GrubHub is worthless
@@stratocoustic05 but don’t they equally screw drivers with pay and stuff?
So you’re telling me you truly believe that trip costs you over $60 in fuel and other costs? That’s nonsense.
Although that’s a trip no one should ever take, definitely a joke of an offer but you’ll make more than $5 for sure
I literally had a neverous breakdown yesterday, my mood was off because I made $1089.00 last week and spent $642.00 of that in gas. No, its not due to gas prices (they've gone down to 3.36 or so here in Dallas) but because of the dead miles I was BLINDLY driving trying to accept every trip to bring my acceptance rate up. I had to BORROW 400 bucks to pay my rent. I feel stupid. Am I stupid. Just bought a newer car, 40k miles, now at 55k in TWO months all so that Uber can take my hole with no Vaseline. This video is 2 seconds too late for me. I already started rejecting every trip that doesn't make sense. Uber keeps logging me off because I deny back to back to back. It's a waste of time, I won't ever do that stupid shit again. Fuck that acceptance rate....
You are exactly right, well done. Uber is stealing gas and wearing out our cars. They are scumbag thieves as far as I am concerned. As soon as I find something decent I am quitting this. And no one talks about the risk we take driving so much!!!
Haven't given a crap about acceptance rate since they stopped using it as a requirement for bonuses. This was years ago. I don't understand where new drivers are getting that acceptance rate is important.
I’m appalled by these numbers .. in a week I prob pay 20 a day in gas adding up to be 100 a week !!
@@stevengerendash7522right as long as my acceptance rate keeps me in my tier iDGAF .. I literally stay between 3-4% acceptance because idgaf I value my time
Uber is absolutely wrong they should put a little Vaseline 😂😂only kidding
I’ve been doing upfront for a year. It wasn’t always this bad. But since June the rates have been cut in half. The boost is fraud, they simply adjust the ride lower so the price is what it should be without boost. I’m ready for a class action to be paid time and distance…PERIOD
Yessssss
Zimmerman Reed Law Firm sues Uber and Lyft on behalf of drivers about every 2-3 years for this type of stuff.
Agreed. With upfront earnings BS, scale has been tipped towards drivers discretion. I have lately been asking riders for how much are they paying for their rides just to get an idea.
Result is that ride-share companies are keeping an average of more than 50% of the money. So So So ridiculously unethical.
You are correct and if the passenger is interested I'll go offline and show the fare we're paid to the customer.... or the screenshot... not for symphony or tips... for passenger knowledge. My rating is 4.99 so it's not effecting that... My acceptance and cancellation rates are way down and it gives me pleasure!
I agree, just say no to working for nothing!
I love being able to see where to the trip is taking me and I love the upfront pricing. I do however cancel any trip that is not in my best interest. i'm not moving my car for $3...
Quick screenshot + quickly accept + take your time and analyze the trip then cancel = bigger and bolder message to Uber because riders will always be late
To many cancellations and you’re on the verge of deactivation
The key is to figure out the ratio of dollar to mile, like $1.50 or $2 per mile, you are willing to drive for. Everyone needs to practice this conversion mentally, so it becomes second nature and you won't get excited by seeing a large dollar number pop up and then realize you made a bad decision.
This is what I do and I base it on 40 per hour and stay in the hot zone
6 hours for 200 dollars with about 100 miles driven is in my opinion very good. 24 hours at 800. Minus about 120 gas.
Min $1.00 per mile from where I’m at to pick them up to final drop off for me. That’s min in a slow day.
Your right! But the problem is this. Uber has a never ending pool of idiots they can draw from! And these people don't know these rules. And in the end we can't ever really get in front of it as a "group" because the group is always chaining!
Man this is helpful I been Driving for 3-Weeks I think I am about take Few steps back And Shut it down for min
I quit my experimental Uber and Lyft driver jobs after only a a month or so here in the Central California region because pay sucked (averaged less than minimum wage). Especially after Uber started to punish the driver by hiding the details of the trip unless you maintained a 50% acceptance rate, that’s the day I turned off the app and quit.
I will quit the moment they do that here!
I make around 35hr when I drive.
@@lifesgoodeveryone5407 It was typical for both Uber and Lyft to pay about $3 dollars after putting in 15 to 20 minutes of time and mileage, to go pick up and drop off a passenger in this area. Then if not tipped (typical in this region) you must start deducting your fuel ⛽️ cost and maybe that ride earned you $1.50!
@@lifesgoodeveryone5407 , the most anyone can make net is $10-$15/hour. I've certainly grossed $35/hour at times, but the real earnings, net is NEVER greater than $15/hour.
Thanks for bringing this topic up including screen shots... Uber is always going to try to win while we lose little by little.
The IRS says the cost per mile is $.585. This offer is 102 miles, which means the cost is $59.67 (102 x .585). Calculate profit: $68.60 - $59.67 = $8.93. If the trip takes 98 minutes as Uber claims, then the hourly wage is $5.95 ($8.93 profit / 1.5 hours = $5.95). If you have to drive back at your expense, it's even worse.
And add cost of gas.
@@Lobonova Gas is included in that price price but probably only at $2.50 or less.
Because the IRS allows this deduction it doesn't make it the actual 'cost' does it.
This is what I've been looking for! I have been spinning my wheels, staying out for 12 -15 hours, and barely making my daily goal. You have taught me how to calculate my rides and it will basically be nothing less than a dollar a mile. I will work in solidarity with "Uber nation" to ensure we get what we deserve. You are correct, we have to make Uber understand we are trying to make a living and we need better options.
15 hrs? Cant you only drive 12 hrs for dot rules?
@@kellyarchani4209 He problably does what I do. Keep turning the request off when a trip is not taking me to where I wish to pick up anyone. Than the driving to where he wants does not count as a drving time.
Calculate miles and time. Some trips have low mileage but really long time: 7 mile ride can take 30-40 minutes in some markets. You would be doing this ride for $7 in 30min before expenses.
@@kellyarchani4209 yes but it doesn’t count the times when your waiting for a request
You sir are awesome, you changed the way I accept rides.. Keep killing it and keep us informed..
Wonderful. I appreciate you. You deserve the 💰💰
Thanks!
Also I noticed when promotions are offered in certain areas, after driving the distance to get to the promoted area, Uber continuously sends trips outside the promoted area. Or a trip that starts in the promoted area but takes you quite a distance away from the promoted area. This company is clearly ran by narcissistic people. Far too many mind games & consequences for not playing along.
Also happens when I navigate to a 'surge' area. I get offered something outside of it. They know what they're doing
Also the return trip could easily take a lot longer because of traffic. The trip back could easily take 3 hours or more. I have had this happen to me.
Never again, second time it’s our fault
I added 2 signs I printed out and had laminated that say due to extremely high gas prices and uber taking 30-50% of every fare you pay, tips are greatly appreciated!
Since hanging those signs I have had my tips significantly go up! I average 100 dollars a day extra in tips driving 10 hrs
More like uber taking 50-60% of the fare
Yeah CHANGE your signs. They are taking 50 -60
Professor, you are very intelligent. There are many desperate drivers who will take the trip. You have to find another way to make a living. I stopped driving as of October of last year because of this. They want broke, 3rd world drivers working 12 hours a day for $150. By u talking will not ever change this.
Their checkbook. Except it or leave.
I saw an upfront offer and I took it. Why? It was only 7 mile trip and the payout was 37 bucks! That kind of hit me by surprise, I was wondering why it was that high. Perhaps also because it was a scheduled trip, but the gentleman was already waiting outside and I didn’t have to wait. This is an example of it working and being acceptable. For 7 miles I think that was decent money.
I always shoot for a dollar or more a mile. My trip home Thursday, was 13 miles for $28. A driver is doing them self a disservice by taking all the garbage they throw at you.
SMOKE and MIRRORS my man. I've been driving about 8 years on and off. You DO get lucky on a few. But 99% trips aren't worth it. Ask yourself if they can pay you that amount for a 7 min trip. Then why CAN'T they pay you a FAIR fee for your other rides? If they did you would only hear POSITIVE feedback
Don't do food deliveries with Uber they show 10.00 to 17.00 but the actual pay is 2.97 to 4.11. In my city drivers are driving less more passengers are stranded. You have to hit the enemy in their pockets. Look out dor passengers that like to add extra trips drop them off at the 1st stop and leave. Passengers are being cheap not tipping and giving more attitudes which isn't worth it
There are so many drivers who literally refuse to calculate expenses. On my facebook forums, daily, I try to help people understand this. Its to no avail however as I get responses like this just yesterday. "I dont worry about all the wear and tear complaints and its people like you who shouldnt be doing rideshare if you do." Or this gem last week " You dont understand! You get back $.58 a mile from the government at the end of the year!" This poor soul literally believes that the mileage deduction is actually a check in the mail to them.
These gigs know ignorant people and desperate people take these jobs. They prey upon them. And while your fight is a noble one, nothing will change for the better so long as we keep making more ignorant drivers.
The guy I spoke to yesterday on a florida lyft and uber forum was arguing that people are stupid for not taking the following ride. $52 , 75 miles. I simply spelled out using national statistics what that means. 75miles 2 ways = 150 miles at 25mpg average car = 6 gallons of gas at $3.50 here in florida = $21 gas cost. 150 miles at just 10 cents a mile wear/depreciation = another $15. So $52 in earnings - $36 in expenses = + $16 net revenue for 2.5 hours. = $6 an hour.
The guy continues to argue that im stupid and need to stop driving.
I experience the same with fellow drivers in my city. It’s a damn shame. But when the wear and tear adds up to some necessary major repair needed by a mechanic and they don’t have the money available to pay for it… only then will some drivers realize how extorted they are by these gig companies.
@@stratocoustic05 over 100k miles per year on this particular guys vehicle. $31k car, which is cheap in todays world. I mean are you going to get even 3 years out of a car at over 100k per year...........just in gig driving?
Very good video. All the newbies need to understand this figures and like you said “Instantly “ you need to decide. Those pay terrible. Bad thing is there are people that will accept that ride and never learn 🤦🏽
In the beginning Uber was good pre COVID more quest promotions like for example if you complete 10 deliveries in 3 days you get paid extra and another 10 deliveries quest will come up every Thursday
I'm a newbie, and I am SO appreciative for these videos and all the comments with smart advice. Thank you!!!
Every drivers should watch this video. This also applies to food delivery drivers. IF you still wanting that low offered money you still have to remember every single trip or delivery that you will accept also means you put yourself in a risk of a car accident plus you most likely have to come back to your location at the end if you go far away from your area/zone. Also not every single time but often I got $2-$5 less than the offered amount especially for longer trips time to time..worst feeling to have while driving
They just tried that on me the other day. 125 bucks for 180 miles. Absolutely I declined it. Unless my tax statements start saying w2, I will decline as I please.
I wish we drivers united and take this advice but just like you said it there are money desperate drivers they will accept anything. I'm a DMV driver since they bring this new up front price thing my accept rate is going down big time but more less I don't worry about what they do I'm only going to do what's best to for me.
I've already called them out over this. Also no one can make a true determination in just 3 seconds.
i already quit 3 weeks ago, it is not worth it. my car is getting trash. working on retail now. made 19 dollars an hour plus benefits, uber and are scams .
I totally agree with your video from beginning to end. I hate that people cannot think. Everyone has to suffer because of it. We definitely need to stand up to bully billionaire companies that take advantage, and make them pay us what is rightly due other THEY WILL go out of business!
Every trip should start with a minimum charge of $10 upfront and $1 per minutes there after. Otherwise it's a waste of time driving uber.
Drivers has to deal with so many different things, from weird passengers, smelly passengers, aggressive passengers , intoxicated passengers, traffic, and road rage etc. Intoxicated passengers rating drivers, that is not fair.
Riders should not be allowed to rate drivers that are being picked up late at night from bars and clubs.
We can’t all stick together, because there are always those newbies who accept everything.
I do UberEats, and I was waiting for my order and I kid you not … I saw a driver accept an order for $1 …. YES $1!!! I told her, she shouldn’t accept those orders, her response was “Why not, it’s money” I didn’t feel like breaking down gas, maintenance, time to her.
I also ran into a guy, who bought a brand new $60,000 hybrid to simply do food deliveries.
There’s all kind of naive, desperate, people out there.
If I have a trip from jersey goin to New York.. tolls are 16 dollars... it takes me 30 min 10miles and I receive 33 dollars leaving new York is terrible takes 1hr 20min to get back online. I learned my lesson I don't drive to drop off in new York 33 dollars Is the toll money and gas plus no tip
Living in the New Orleans area caused me to stop driving for Uber. The city is far too permissive with crime, mainly car jackings, for me. Even carrying a weapon, it wouldn't do much good when someone pops into the seat behind me bent on violence. The city is where the money is. So, begrudgingly, I put away my Uber sticker.
That was/ is my only real concern. As a part-time employee I could always turn off the app and head home if the money wasn't right. It's a company; not an enemy. As drivers we have to figure a few work-arounds for Uber's objectionable policies as well as cooperate with them, so they can get paid, too. I've taken loser trips that I figured nobody would take when it was slower and (it seemed like) I was rewarded with some juicy trips later. The info gathered by computer algorithms is way too much for us to be made aware of while driving. The only way to find the "rhythm" is to experiment with different trip patterns/ areas, in my experience.
Well put!!
About 6 months ago I was offered a 2hr ride for $80, I declined. A minute later, same ride, $95, declined. 3 minutes later, same ride, $230, accepted, and got a $50 tip on top of it. Also got 5 rides on the way back to the airport I picked up from. This is true, when we decline rides with crappy payout, the payout goes up quickly.
I agree. They wanted me to drive almost two hours for under a hundred dollars! I said hell to the nah!
Helll to the nah!!!!
What? Isn't $50 per hour great?????
@@tellmestraight not when you are considering gas,maintence and millege on your car. Thats how they get you.
I remember seeing a customer that paid $88 to go from Reno to Truckee but the driver was only going to get paid $70. It's 35 miles minimum each way so you're looking at about an hour and a half round trip and about $20 in gas so your net $50. I make more than that just driving around town and I don't have to waste all the gas. The crazy part is I'm putting about a thousand miles a week on my car. When I started driving at the end of January I had 112,000 on my car now it's at 142,000 as of the end of June
I agree. The problem is that you then loose the upfront information and you are screwed
Hate how when you reject a ride, you'll get that same ride again costing you another ride to reject.
@@G_Moreno89 pause and wait a few minutes before turning it back on.
@@G_Moreno89 I had that happen multiple times, mostly late at night. Now I hit the coffee break and wait a few minutes before turning back on if I had to pause because of a shit ride!
Now the scam is u have to accept in 3 seconds. You’re so right thank you!
I would never take a call like that ..... never ever ! To all drivers out there if you take a call like this you will end up broke and burned out very soon. Imagine all the traffic lights you will encounter in route if you accept this call and there is a road closures and a car accident and the police traps etc etc etc. The time wasted driving round trip when you could be taking smaller trips so that you could reach your goal and get your spare change bonus. A trip like that you will have to fill up your tank of gas that will cost you at current market price 30 to $40 so in reality you just took a call that only paid less than $40 for 6 hours of your time wasted. Assuming you took the second offer. Hoping that maybe the customer will tip you something to compensate for the gas and the oil change and the wear and tear of your tires. Longer calls need to pay more money that's the bottom line.
Bogus ass company, I dream of the day alll drivers stop driving for them blood sucking predators
Professor please talk about the fact that for over 2 months Uber has disabled the ability to adjust the arrival time on our destination tool.
It's ALWAYS been like that. You set a destination and they send you on trips NOT going your way. Just push your decline trip button and turn it on when you get close to your destination to see if you can find some short trips. I've been driving 8 years.
@@wakeup833It works well late night in a rate card market. I use it in northwest Indiana but when I'm in Chicago it fails. Uber only seems to respect the filter if volume in your area is low.
Also uber has been giving rides for example for 13.00 then after the ride only paying like 10.88. Basically cheating the cost. I've screenshot both costs. It's time we strike not drive for a week and file a civil lawsuit. Independent contract or not you still have to pay what you have offered. Also there need to be extra charge for more than 2 riders. If it's 3 or more when I arrive I cancel the ride.
I have no problem saying “No” at all…
That's funny because that doesn't happen here in Baltimore Maryland it just goes to whoever didn't accept it if there's three people that didn't accept it or the other say four people are watching it and all four of us are just watching it it goes to the person that lasts clicked on it I assume because most of the time I end up getting all the short rods and then if another ride comes in that's less I get the lesser ride of the ride that I was looking at
We need legislation in each state to act on our behalf the same way this company uses their power to shut us up!
YOU ARE 💯 CORRECT! Drivers got to stick together and stop these rideshare companies from taking advantage of us.
I totally agree, we have to work together if we accept bs orders they'll keep sending them just say no ,these companies don't care about us we have stop think analyze and decide
How does declining trips does not affect your acceptance rate?
Here in Vancouver, if your acceptance rate goes below 80%, you are not capable of seeing direction and approximate time of a trip. Hence, trying to keep it above that. That makes you accept most of trips that go your way. With this kind of system, the cherry picking might not be doable at all.
Mine is always fluctuating between 81-85% so my work is somewhat predictable.
My strategy is the miles away and the miles from pickup to drop off have to equal or exceed $1.50 a mile or get a deny. And I won’t make a trip outside of 20 miles of my home or deny. I do this part time but I use my car full time and I feel my model keeps me profitable and have enough for fuel and maintenance cost. I try and stack trips less than 1 mile away from me and 2 mile distance to drop off at $5.00 +. This gives me more than my $1.50 per mile trip I am sticking to. My market here in San Diego you are able to stack 4-5 trips in an hour. I’m not making the $30.00 an hour as some get but I am also putting less miles on my car and getting more trips on my fuel. So I feel it equals out. Would like to hear some thoughts on my model.
Uber his become horrible I hate them been a full time driver in Florida for 3 years you are correct Sir
I have been preaching this to both doordash and Uber drivers everywhere I go, but you see those thirsty people taking 10 Mile jobs that pay $3 because they don't get it, or they don't care. It is so frustrating!
I hope here in Vegas decline all the trash trips I uber today and all deliveries I received are all trash declined i think 30 times til im getting the decent amount $2 per mile...stopped picking up Walmart groceries pay is soooo bad and customers taking advantage not to tip the drivers for tons of groceries a case of water(40 bottles) to heavy to carry and ruthless customers who doesnt tip lives in an apartment doesnt give bldg number or unit number uts like a maze and once you politely asked them to include it for the future deliveries they will give you a freakin attitude...Done with cheap walmart pay...Ana here Uber eats driver from Las Vegas Nevada
I so agree with you... It's like they're taking money away from the actual cost of the ride to supplement "surge" or "top tipper". As far as I'm concerned the top Tipper seems to more so be a reason to decline a ride then to accept it because I will not be cheated simply because Uber itself does not want to pay me what I am worth they want the passengers to supplement their ride with a tip so that Uber can keep the rest of what should go to the driver.
I am so glad I watched this video last night. I was offered a lowball figure for a 45 minute drive to the Orlando airport earlier. I let it go by, pulled into a Wawa and waited two minutes. Uber re-offered the ride for an additional $25. Thank you for this information
Uber is so disrespectful to their stupid price right now Professor
I’ve been using Lyft more. Since Jan Uber has been trash. They stopped paying for long pick ups, they stopped giving good promotions. Where I live it’s been at $1.50-$2.50 & 40 trips for like $20 extra.. it used to be 40 for like $80-100. They no longer give you break downs of how much you’re being paid per miles/per min. And so much more.
They started doing this with Uber eats about 6 months ago.. I only do deliveries when Uber loses on the trip.. I always Cherry pick and decline.. I got to get paid
I never, never, never take trips that said 45min plus.NEVER
You need to have your vehicle cost per mile driven and cost per minute. As a starting point, for the vehicle, IRS deduction is currently $0.58/ mile, and if you wanted to make (for example) $20/hr, that would be $0.33/minute. So the actual job (without getting back to starting point) would be $96 (round up all numbers in calculation). Since this trip is out of your area, you need to figure the cost of getting back into your zone (trying to get rides to get back is risky), so maybe that is half way back $45, for a total cost of $141
Men I cancels a ride that was 120 miles to another state ! I said NO WAY ! Customers don’t know this factor ! When we take you to another state we are fucked ! Why ? Because I have to come back to that distance back and it don’t pay !
Sadly, there's always someone will accept terrible ride just to be a "good driver". And they'll quickly deactivate you for the false report.
Just 3 or 4 months ago I was making OK money with Uber. Now this shit is out of hand and it made me quit Uber and move back to Lyft, Lyft is no better! I am going to put the hammer down on making my video about quitting Uber. Seeing your video is going to boost that. Thanks.
I tried sharing this to the Facebook group Uber and Lyft drivers of CA and it got denied 😲
I tried similiar things with that stupid group before and I removed my self form that group , there are so many more good ones out there
My passengers paid $50 for trips to airport and I got only $18.88. Up front is bs if you don’t think and just take it.
You have to be able to say no to BS offers #sayno #decline when it does not make cents and sense .
My acceptance rating is 7 percent . Iv denied 2,660 rides and only have taking 200
Rides this month I used to do 150
Rides in a week !
true, when i first started doing eats, I took every offer and barely made anything.
I looked at what would have been the “old” mileage rates from Lyft (Ubers should be the same). It was a .75 base rate, .645 a mile and .0825 a minute. If you include the .55 flat fuel surcharge, under the old rates this is approximately $71.70 with no bonus/surge/boost, whatever. It would have taken the driver straight up I-75 south of Ocala. This is now $68.60 with that “boost” included so it’s $3.10 less than before but now the driver knows exactly where they are going. I guess that’s the price “drivers” pay now to see that info. It’s sad. Earnings keep getting cut back in exchange for more information.
However, the driver would now be in an area that (according to Lyft rates), a normal trip would become $1.50 base, $1.395 a mile and $0.15 a minute. So the driver (in theory of course) would end up in a higher paying area so it might not necessarily be bad if they accept that trip and if they don’t care that they have to drive a considerable distance back to their local area. There could be multiple ways to take this information.
However, I looked up all of this info in 2 minutes from the comfort of my home which obviously I couldn’t do on the road unless I knew this knowledge already. Unfortunately too though, many parts of Florida pay terrible for drivers to begin with and now based on this video it’s even worse. Another slap 👋 in the face of drivers. I’m so damn glad this has always been part time for me. I make what I can and go home.
I originally wrote this comment about 2 minutes into the video before seeing the $91.63. Now at that point, some more drivers may accept that trip since it’s closer to $1 a mile (not considering the drive back).
Stay safe out there and squeeze whatever you can out of Uber/Lyft 🤷🏼♂️
See I do per hour wage - fuel cost. The 68 I wouldn't accept ever, but the 91 I'd accept start driving and start calculating fuel cost and divide by the time. Like I probably won't make 91 dollars in 3 hrs. If I'm gunning for a quest where I need rides that will come into account. Although what I've noticed is Uber will then give you quick rides when you have longer trips. I do think about the final destination if its busy etc. It also depends on when you started, 8 hrs in Im not accepting any long trips vs couple hours in more likely to.
Omg I knew it...I drive in Minneapolis and I knew something changed with how much we are being paid I just couldn't explain it...Airport runs have become less as well as the "long trips" smh but now I know what to do...thank you❤️
I can’t effectively evaluate these new “upfront” trip requests if I’m driving. What about the unsafe condition, I can’t read all the small print and keep my eyes on the road and calculate before the timer runs out. It only a mater of time till a driver gets in an accident because they were distracted trying to read these details. Yes, the new prices suck but it also puts us in danger of sever injury or death.
Since I began driving my profit has been less and less, never an increase in pay. The only job I’ve had where pay goes done the longer I’m with a company.
Yep. The small print makes it dangerous.
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I always TURN OFF future rides after I begin a trip. Then, when I arrive with passenger, I turn it back on and wait. This prevents me from making a snap decision on the freeway at 70 mph!
I turn off new requests every time when my new riders are in the car and before I start the trip. I refuse to try to look at that crap with passengers in the car and besides that, Uber will generally not give you a surge you should get when it offers you a trip while you are still in a trip because it thinks you can't see where the surges are (but I learned this because I have 2 phones and CAN see the surges). So when I end the trip I can decide to try to chase a nearby surge or go right back online if I'm already in a surge. But I'm in Austin where there's almost never a lack of trips so I have the luxury of knowing I'll get another request immediately.
The new pricing model is so bad I stopped driving for Lyft and Uber completely. 95% of ride requests are unprofitable, and in many cases you will actually *lose* money by accepting the request (once you factor in all business expenses).
I just started doing UberX and for my first week I would only see the minutes it would take me to go and pick up the rider and the miles there. A week went by then Uber started showing more info like the amount we get paid, the miles we will travel to pick up the rider and the destination miles.
Now when we get the offers we have about 3 seconds to either take it or pass.. at least now we can see the amount offered and where the drop off will be and based on that I can make a quick decision to either take it or pass! I always stay at at least $ 1.00 per mile.. everything else is garbage.
I’ve also noticed that I actually make more doing Uber eats than UberX, with ride sharing 80% of people don’t tip, with Uber eats of course you also have to be selective and about 98% of people will tip.
Agreed ! And it won’t bother too much about the car condition
Let's not make the calculation diffucult! For this trip You should get a least $2 x 96.82 Miles = $193.
$291.63 maybe… 3 hours of drive time total
If you think this is bad, try a similar trip on Lyft. Lyft now has upfront pricing and it's ridiculously worse than Uber's pricing. In my market, that ride would have been maybe $50 on Lyft.
On spot professor !! I am on FL Upfront Fares started 5 days ago on my market...it was the worst thing that happened...I felt a huge cut in my profit...Uber cut 90% of surges and the payment is lower per mile...I haven't used the Lyft app for almost a year...This weekend I only drove to Lyft because I was having more surges than Uber...I RECOMMEND EVERYONE TO USE LYFT NOW THE DIFFERENCE IN PAYMENT WAS HUGE!!!
Until Lyft does the same shit!
They will. Already heard they will roll out this crap.
Tampa driver here, and I wouldn't take this ride, but the destination is Wildwood which is near The Villages, FL. Depending on time of day, you could link this bad ride with very good rides back to Tampa or Orlando airports. This might work out in the big picture.
Also, you need to consider if you are in a place that you can get rides back if you use "set destination". What I noticed though this weekend is the offer time to accept or not has shrunk from like 5 to 3 seconds, making it tougher to accept or not. I focust on offer amount and combined time to get there, with actual ride time. I drive in Orange County, CA and there are always rides available, however, around 1:30am I started getting offers for 21 min away for $5, Then it jumped to $9, then $11. None of these included the actual ride time. WTF????.....in OC, there are ABSOLUTELY rides closer, but I wasnt getting them. As a result, I declined 5 in a row......and lost my upfront details. I called Uber and the rep said, "If you don't accept rides, then those are the consequences." This comoany wants slave labor. The quest bonuses are now a joke. This weekend was $65 for 50 rides, and $30 more if you did 60 total. But you cant reach those numbers if they only send far nonsensical rides. They obviously mess with the algorithm......what are the options? Either we all stop driving for a weekend, ir file a class action lawsuit. Your thoughts Professor?
They're playing with the destination fixture too I set my destination home going north and they sent me south I was driving and couldn't see where the ride was going to
I agree with that but we would have to get at least half or more of the drivers to do so in order to accomplish anything. Let me know if there's ever a national strike I'd stop as long as we need to for us to be paid fair
@@EdFromMoca their destination filter doesn't quite work at all.. like you said going home north and it will send me south, and also i noticed Uber won't offer a trip until i pass the exit, so now i have to go all the way up to the next exit and come back down, i feel it was waiting for me to pass it, happens all the time.. i just cancel those trips fuck them,,
Uber and Lyft are nothing more than a rolling sweat shop! I have been declining rides consistently for a year since this started. I look at the destination mileage first vs. the price... It has to be as close to $1.00 per mile with a short pickup on long trips. Decline, decline, decline!!! Great advice! Customers are getting wiser... with tact I'll ask the customer many times how much is the rideshare service charging is charging them... they are well aware of the price gouging these companies are committing!
And Torsten, This should be the wake up call here about being an Independent Contractor, It's what we should be fighting to be and having it be legally protected, Because in the end we have WAY more power when we can simply say no as individuals to these companies. That would of course mean Uber and Lyft surrendering the ability to create pricing to counties or states.
that is so true I have noticed over my time doing this I stopped taking those long trips because I will make more money per hour doing shorter trips especially if they got streaks and bonuses per pickup
I drive for Lyft in Austin, Texas. Upfront pricing started November 1st.
I don't accept anything that is more than 10 minutes away
Uber is operating by hook or by crook.
Here in north Jersey we don’t know how much we’re gonna get paid or nothing u just gotta accept the job and that’s it and after is accept now u know how long is the pick up and u still don’t know how much u about to get paid till the ride is done
Been driving Uber 8 yrs. Never made more $ than I do now. I pick and choose what I want!...and I make $30-40+ per hour every time I drive
Precisely. You are working smart and taking what makes sense.
What’s your acceptance rating iv been driving 8 years as well I’m at 7 percent 2,660 rides
Declines and 220 accepted
I've made two comments
I'm with you! I'll say no! And I do. But the problem is that Uber has a never ending pool of newbies who don't know any better. These people see that order and instantly accept it. In the end this is what causes us the most loss. And that is that UBer can pool and "turn on" any new drivers. And these people have no idea what they should do. That is Uber's business model!
I got really lucky one day: A long ride got added to my queue before I could see the trip details. I was new to driving for Lyft and I was driving an EV so I accepted-Lyft gives me free fast charging. I was very lucky because everyone declined the ride and I was given a $200+ bonus (from Lyft) that was extra. And it was also a round trip back home! I made $478 for that trip. I didn’t get a tip from the passenger.
Sure
Facts as you speak professor… Gas ⛽️/ distance/ time… The fares are too low
It is so so so true .. the upfront pricing is actually showing they are cutting down the rates in the end .
Why they never stop manipulating their drivers with tricks 😬
@@dietmarstahl8888 They are scum, no doubt!!
Thank you for speaking your mind. I definitely agree with everything you're saying.
Great video! Do you know about how much does Uber keep from each trip? Is it about 65%? & the driver gets 35%?
How many people here would have taken that second trip fare?
My guess is that 15-20 would have...for me, it's too long of a ride with a passenger and Uber isn't paying for the return trip. They likely charged the passenger $200 or more, laughing their asses off in the big office at our stupidity.
Thank you, This kind of trip got me everytime and I will always get empty tank home once I dropped off airport.
You have said the truth, you have explained everything in details, hopefully some of the viwers drivers will take some action.
We have too many desperate drivers who do not think and use a bit of common sense.
I'm a driver in London and it's been two years since I have started working for Uber, but I do make sure that I just don't jump into anything unless it is worthy.
My formula is, it has to be more than 1$ per 1mil on total trip including drive to pick.
He's right, and Lyft does the same BS.