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Driver has no idea where to look for how much rider pays)) where do u get those retards?? Come interview me) I do this for 7 years now) I know all the tricks and I’ll show you how much real drivers make. To see pax price swipe up and by log out button thing way bill. Push on it and like 7 lines down is pax price.
Just a thought, but can the uber user talk to the driver after he pulls up, cancel the ride, and just pay what uber was charging in full to the driver? Not a boycott, but a pricecott.
A week ago Uber paid me $28 for a long trip and I asked the rider how much he paid , he said $48.98 . $28/48.98 = 57% . That is , Uber took 43% and leaving me with 57% while I am responsible for the car , gas , maintenance, inspection, registration etc literally everything except their platform. Uber and Lyft are ripping off drivers. Until drivers get together to file a lawsuit against these robbers they will not stop . Zero transparency.
I was thinking drivers should go on strike nation wide ,so they can see how we the drivers are Uber/Lyft without our vehicles on the road,Rideshare is not a thing.
They undercut the cab companies put them out of business and then straight up jacked up the prices once they eliminated the competition. Sounds like an anti trust violation to me.
Actually they got the model from Amazon. Which is to secure massive amounts of funds from Wallstreet, run your businesses for a loss for over a decade to drive out the competition and then jack up your prices once you have a monopoly.
As an accountant, I did Uber and Lyft a few years ago on weekends to make a few extra bucks. After about 300 rides, I created my own report that detailed my revenue, expenses, hourly work pay rate, etc. And came to the conclusion that was only making about $9 maybe $10 per hour in profit while putting lots of wear and tear on my vehicle. I stopped all ride share driving after that.
I'm not an accountant but I did the same thing and I come up with approximately $7.20 an hour after everything is paid including my taxes That was two years ago They don't give as much promotions now and I did the math again and now I'm down to $6.25 an hour
I'm kind of surprised you were making even $9 - $10 / hour with it. I knew people in the taxi industry (back when it was alive and before the ride share apps came in illegally) and even back then, taxi drivers were only making about $5 / hour (if honest) and up to $10 / hour if dishonest and willing to break the law [illegal parking frequently, running the occasional red light, charging the wrong tariff, charging extra tolls that were not warranted]. Of course this was 15 - 20 years ago. The reason for this was that taxis had a lot of expenses. i.e. Owner would supply a car, insurance (very expensive), rego (very expensive) and he would do 50:50 with the driver. i.e. If $200 on the meter for the day, the driver would get $100 and the other $100 would go to the owner for maintaining the vehicle. Sure, $100 sounds like a lot but it is not. Rego was about $3000 / year (public passenger vehicles (i.e. buses, taxis) pay huge CTP due to the higher risk due to driving so much) Insurance was $3000 - $4500 / year (Again, higher chance of crashing due to driving so much) Affiliation fees (paid to taxi call centre) was $700 / month ($8400 / year) So far the owner is up to $14400 - $15900 and that's not even any maintenance yet. Let's say a car costs $30,000 to purchase and lasts 300,000 Km (with no oil changes, no maintenance, no tyres) and that the day driver puts 150 Km on it each day ($200 on the meter) This means the car cost (without maintenance) is 10 cents / Km 150 Km = $15 Converting $14400 to daily is $39.46 - $43.56 Let's round $39.46 - $43.56 to just $40 for easy math $40 + $15 = $55 (out of that $100) so now the owner is left with $45 Next, the owner has to pay for fuel or half of it. Fuel for the day is about $30 (Well was back then) so take another $15 out of the remaining $45 = $30 There is of course another fee which is the taxi plate. They are purchased for a few hundred thousand dollars or leased for $2000 / month from an owner. $2000 / 28 days = $71 / day. Subtract $71 from the remaining $30 = and the owner is now making a loss of $41 each day. How is this possible ? The owner of course needs to run the taxi 24/7 (day and night driver) to make a profit. The night driver of course makes a lot less but if he's good, and works 12 hours he can make $150 on the meter. So this gives $75 to the owner - fuel of $30 - $10 vehicle cost = $35 Now the owner is only losing $7 a day Here is the tipping point. Friday / Saturday night drivers take more so instead of $200 on the meter, the good ones will put $300 on the meter. This adds $200 to the equation which the owner will get $100. So now he's making a profit of $93 / week. Remember, this is if there is no maintenance , no oil changes, no tyres. This is why a lot of taxis are going around without comprehensive insurance (pays for your own car and other things you hit) or just 3rd party damage (pays for what you hit only) Of course when uber came out, they were taking 25% (not 50%) but you the owner were supplying the vehicle (purchase, maintenance, insurance, registration). Of course you didn't have taxi call centre affiliation (well you did - 25% as uber), paying an owner (well you're paying yourself anyway) so it looked like a better deal, however you were getting paid less as uber rates were about 50% of what taxi rates were (which is why people switched). This is why a lot of uber drivers drove their car into the ground then were broke and unable to buy a car after 2 years when their car was now dead.
Exactly, but that’s not what people are doing. They skip the quarterly taxes, an ignore the costs of replacing the vehicle. No ones adjusted to the new costs and think somehow $20-$30 and hour is ok, not adding up what they now cost themselves in the long term. If people just refused the low offers it would correct itself! It’s so simple but instead this is going to become a job, after it demolished taxi companies, this will be a job, set hours, set pay, even though the majority does not want that.. it’s frustrating
@@roadmonitorozmy family owned a few taxi companies in NY everyone made 40% and didn’t use their own vehicle.. strange to me that was the standard for all the companies I ever met, that’s awful that you were paid so little
After locking my keys in my car, an Uber driver took me home to get my key. Then gave me a free ride back to my car with the key. These drivers are some of the hardest working and unselfish people on the planet. Thank you Antonio!
I’m driving for Lyft for 5 years. From last year , it became very difficult to pay my rent and cover my expenses. We need to take action against these criminals. We need to go on strike. Let’s come together and fight. Thank you madam for your initiative.
I do gig work full time, mainly Uber, Lyft and DoorDash, I really appreciate you putting in the effort to do this. This is what real journalism looks like
Look at entire gig economy - the concerning part is how much of the economy this is? It’s all a part of rich taking advantage of poor. Nothing new…just context has changed….
@@blackfalcon1324 Door dash used to be good but it’s gotten worse and only going downhill, they keep advertising for more drivers while simultaneously dropping the pay dashers receive
I'm surprised this video doesn't have 50 billion views and it was uploaded 7 months ago this is crazy because Millions on top of millions of us drivers relate to this
@@majinbuu19831 so if Uber has to pay you a wage and benefits. Are you going to be ok with a schedule? Uniform? Rules such as no AirPods? Inspections for cleanliness? It’s a two way street.
Last ride I did was picking up someone at the Airport in Philadelphia . Customer claimed they were being charge $90 but for that ride, I was getting $15. That was the last time I used Lyft. Thank you for bringing awareness as this has been going on got too long and has only gotten worse
I have been a Lyft and Uber driver for just over 10 months. This is a short term situation for me while I wait for hip replacements. I have an MBA and have monitored my income, hours, expenses and, when available, the amount the passengers paid. For drivers to say that Uber and lyft's take rates are 40 to 60% misses the actual mark significantly. Those # are based on the gross fare the passengers pay. Essentially all the costs are carried by drivers. The fuel, maintenance, depreciation, equipment (vehicle payment) come out of the driver's take. When adjusted to reflect the costs incurred by drivers the ride share companies take rate is 78 to 90+% of the fare. Uber and Lyft don't want to release data on costs, take rates, etc because the backlash they'd face would be unbelievable. These companies also take advantage of the driver's lack of education on how to run a business. Think of any company's equipment expenditures, the investment made in a backhoe, water jet or CNC machine tool are for the sole purpose of increasing the companies profits. Uber doesn't want drivers to think about costs in this manner, they prefer it when driver's think "well I have the car anyway so . . " Here's a way to understand the situation. Cab services existed and made money for decades using a business model that didn't depend on manipulation and deception. The cab services owned the vehicles and employed the cabbies. The cab drivers made 8 to 12 times what uber drivers do and the "technology" used to run the business consisted of a phone line, dispatcher and 2 way radios. The advantages that GPS brought to the I dustry was a gift to the drivers. The massive overhead that uber has is of almost zero added value. The algorithm is designed to maximize Ubers profits at the expense of the passengers and drivers. The ride share business is a scam, not very different than WeWork. The buzz created by an online shared work 3nviroment/commercial real estate venture overwhelmed the ridiculous business model it used. The situation with Uber is no different. Going from one place to another in a car does not require, nor benefit from a Google Cloud Services deployment. It's window dressing at Best. Additionally, It was also to the cab services advantage to make the best use of their drivers efforts and minimize the distance and time between rides. Uber doesn't pay drivers for the time and distance required to get to the passengers location. I've been offered rides through the app that paid $4, where 3-5 minutes in duration and a couple of miles in distance. The passenger location was 24 minutes and 8 miles away. On a hourly basis I'd make about -$5 an hour if I accepted a ride like that (just in case there's a misunderstanding, that hourly rate is NEGATIVE $5 an hour, I'd be paying Uber to drive their passengers around. The monumental waste of fuel and human capital, along with the environmental impact, that Uber is guilty of in this business model is shameful.
My dad was a black cab driver with TCP, commercial insurance, airport tags. When uber/lyft came with none of those extra expenses and charged customers at a loss, it killed his business. How could he compete against a service that was half the cost and much more convenient? At the time, people overlooked the lack of regulation and unfair competition, since it was seen as progress and a benefit to consumers. But now after Uber/Lyft has killed the competition, they are charging more than what my dad charged while the drivers barely make any money. A job that used to be able to let a family get by, is now less than minimum wage. A ride that used to cost $100 in a black car with actual adequate insurance and passenger protections now charges $130 to the customer while they’re driven by a driver that is sleep deprived, overworked, and underpaid.
Taxi companies weren't saints in that scenario either. The major complaints most people had with taxis were how when you ordered one they rarely showed up. Uber/lyft fixed that. Also the Taxi companies had a monopoly on the market until ride share came along. So the prices of cabs kept going up and up. It is STILL cheaper to catch an Uber than it is to take a cab in a lot of places. Then you have the fact that Taxi companies spent MILLIONS on getting legislation passed to outlaw ride share rather than try and compete.
I moved over to DiDi in late 2022 when I saw Uber had some unethical practices like changing riders ratings for no reason, overcharging and having a very poor support system. With DiDi, I find they are prompt with my concerns, especially if a driver treated me rude, and are strict about their policies.
Taxi drivers were gouging us for DECADES and this was the eventual market response, if drivers and companys charged fairly in the first place uber or lyft wouldnt exist.
As a Denver driver of over 5 years, I thank you for this story because passengers do not realize how bad the drivers are really getting screwed. These companies are completely out of control.
I worked for years for these apps. At any time I can flexibly log off and never work again. Which I eventually did. Given the freedom and flexibility I had, why did you never realize that if you weren't happy to continue, you could simply log off and never ever go back online? Like seriously - If you don't want to do it, why did you keep opening the app and driving again for the same app?
I am working on starting an organization here in Florida to represent the drivers. At the end of the day, it’s highway robbery what they are doing. Us as drivers need to stand up against this extortion. We do all the leg work sacrificing our time, vehicles a long with the rest of our costs, for them to take the highest dollar on each ride!
I did Uber for almost 2 years. I hated it. Any money I made went straight to gas. Ive been telling friends and family that Uber screws their drivers, and this video explains it perfectly.
You were working bad I think, because, in my case, with 15$ of gas I could get more. But I remember at first when I started and I knew anything, in Doordash it was how you say. Because I used to take those bad unfair orders of 2-4 dolars. And I had not money even for gas. But later I went listening podcast about delivery, and I learned that I was working wrong. So, I have three years in the delivery, my numbers are better but of course they are not perfect. For the reasons that are said in the video. 😢
Uber driver since 2017 can confirm earnings per mile are down 30%-50% for drivers since they keep cutting in on our pay. Uber and Lyft usually take 40-60% of most of my trips nowadays and they don’t give clear data on how much they charge and how much they pay, it’s a black box algorithm and they’re screwing everyone on both sides.
Imagine making something, doing all the work to build it, sell it, and then have someone who only slapped a label on it with a brand name just takes the majority of the money. Welcome to late-stage capitalism, where you're just a slave with a few extra steps.
When I first started driving Uber, we received 80%. The rates were good and I made a good living. Over the last 9 years, the rates have decreased and their take has increased percentage wise.
When you have salaries over 10M+ a year. The money needs to come from somewhere. Salary Uber - Dara Khosrowshahi - CEO - $24.28M a year Uber - Tony West - Senior VP - $10.61M a year Uber - Jill Hazelbaker - Senior VP Marketing - $8.24M a year Lyft - Logan Green - $13.32M a year Lyft - John Zimmerman - $13.94M a year
As a Lyft & Uber driver in the Ann Arbor/Detroit area, I can’t thank you all enough. I’ve been driving for both for 7 years and hoping for greater transparency. None of my riders know how little I get. It’s my full time job. Saying ‘no’ to a ride Does have its consequences. The companies would say that saying ‘yes’ has its rewards. The rewards suck in most cases.
I drive in the same area .. Romulus by airport and Ann Arbor … airport rides pay the best I try to catch the airport to Ann Arbor or from Ann Arbor to airport usually $25-$35 for those rides
is it worth it considering the wear and tear on your car? The engine must go over 300k miles a year? I'd be afraid of having to buy a new car each year.
People, it is called competition. The more drivers join Uber the more competition among themselves and therefore the reduction in your pay, just like any other profession or job that has excess offers. Just get another job, nobody is pointing a gun at anybody to be an Uber driver
Can u believe they sent me to Philadelphia from DC for only $100???? -Gas itself back & forth takes $100. -then u return empty - then the wear & tear of the car - then the toll fees -then the lunch/dinner -By the time i return am already tired and the day is over, I’ll go home. What did I make that day?? Negative NOT ZERO. Big LOSS -Even promotion rewards have gone down tremendously. I used to get $80 for 30 trips now it’s $15 on its way to $5 or below. Conclusion I think Uber takes us for granted. They perhaps think we can’t be employable anywhere else. Uber is a pest feeding on our blood & sweat and that’s not fair. We’ve our lives to live and families to raise like anyone else ABSOLUTELY UNFAIR RIDE SHARE PRACTICES
I never would have accepted a trip like that! I will usually talk to a rider and negotiate due to retuning empty. If they are willing to pay an agreed upon cash tip prior to starting the trip, I will consider accepting. If not, someone else can be the sucker, not me!
As an Uber driver I. Idaho, I used to easily make $100 a day but as our pay kept going down while Uber made more I tried to be more selective with the rides I accept. In doing this, my rating went down tremendously because if we don't take every crappy ride they send us, they lower our rating to the point we no longer get any rides at all. I can't drive for Lyft or Uber anymore because after fuel, maintenance, Insurance and cleaning costs are taken out, drivers are actually loosing money. They treat us like garbage because they know they can just add more drivers on while seasoned drivers catch on to the scam. Thank you for understanding and making this video.
Absolutely. The question I have is, as an independent operated, why is uber upset when shitty rides are not taken? In turn they downgrade the driver? It's some psychological BS. It's illegal. I can understand if passengers accepted and cancel rides or pick up customers late. Hell, what does not accepting bad rides have to do with a drivers competency..... We need a national day of protest against UBER. Now they send you scheduled pick-up and you dont find out till you get there. Sometimes have to wait up till 15 minutes without compensation.
Not accepting a ride doesn't lower your rating. My acceptance rating is in the twenties with no issues. If you're talking about your driver ratings, then it is solely based on the ratings your riders gave you. You should read uber's terms and conditions.
They often write legislation that is then pushed by local politicians that completely favors the tech corp gig job creator. I worked as a taxi driver from 1997 to 2012. The taxi system needed reform, but what we got instead was the destruction of that job and replacement with a worse form of the same thing. All work deserves a thriving wage, from shit shoveler to code engineer. Nobody should do work for subsistence wages, in any country. And it's all, in the end, to enrich a few selfish assholes. This doesn't further humanity or enrich us. And yet the tools are there to do exactly that.
The sad part is the government does NOTHING. So unless you you join a union you will keep getting screw, I stopped taking trips to NY and NJ, trips that use to pay me $120 for 80+ miles now they want me to do them for $67 dollars, how in hell I'm suppose to drive 84 miles to NY where I can't do Uber and come back to my area another 84 miles for a total of 168 miles for 67 dollars.🤦
Profiting? Look at their financial statements, they've turned a profit exactly one time in their entire existence. Their retained earnings is negative $32 billion, meaning their accumulated losses exceed all profits by $32 billion. Consistent losses like this are not sustainable. If Uber doesn't start taking even more money or find a new revenue stream, they will not be around in the future and the drivers will be getting 0% of $0 while commuters go back to paying much larger amounts to taxi cabs like they used to.
@@BlackMarketBaby are you a representative of Uber? Lol Amazon has been doing the same thing for decades now.. doesn’t mean Jeff Bezos hasn’t profited wildly from it. P.S. the market cap of uber is over 100B what’s your response to that? Noone profited from that?😂
I mean people do have a choice. Unlike traditional employment/provider, user on both side are less held hostage to their business model. I've always kept taking actual taxi even after the proliferation of ride share. You don't get to vote for them with your wallet and then complain about the consequence.
@@MrBadjohn69 can you go be useless to society to somewhere else? Where do y’all crawl out of? I get you’re a non-factor and won’t be able to comprehend the impact Fortune 500 companies have on employment, economics, antitrust practices, and law/legislation - potential white collar crime as significant as this is a huge issue that companies get away with exploiting their workforce that need the labor and put the company on their backs - but why can’t people like you just go sit down since there’s no added value? If simple things like this go over your head - the most you can contribute is to not get in the way
It’s always been criminal. We just live in a world where humans are simply too dumb and submissive to fight any systems that exploit them, instead they settle for it while crying that they’re being exploited. There are more followers in this world than leaders.
If you think that’s bad, try working for just about any other corporation. That CVS employee making $15 an hour while she’s moving thousands of dollars worth on merchandise? That Amazon driver making $15 an hour while moving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise? That Apple employee making $15 an hour while moving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise? Yea, it’s all the same. If anything, Uber pays out a very large percentage of their transactions to their employees compared to just about any other large corporation. This is just capitalism my friend. You don’t like it? Don’t partake. It’s that simple. There must be something good about it if you keep going back to do it.
Take away the fees that they charge the customers such as using the app, the booking free, the taxes, etc and if you take all that out all that's left is the fair and you would find out that what You are being paid is about 75% of what they are being charged. Comments like this is completely ignorant and further reflex that not only you but most drivers do not understand how the pay works. I am not supporting these companies but at the same 95% of you drivers are just downright ignorant as to how all this works
@@michaelslifecycleI always say that people would make more money delivering pizzas for a major chain than you ever would doing gig work. Delivering in a tourist town, drivers would make a killing. 💸🤑
@@user-ff5nv8ft6nExactly. This victim mindset is so common these days. Blaming everything on a corporation when they are doing nothing wrong. You don’t like their services? Don’t partake. It’s that simple.
Sueing wouldnt really work. The best way to fix them would basically be either for someone to create a new platform orrrr everyone (riders & drivers) stop using them.
@@michaelslifecycle Actually it's not that simple. Yes they are complaining about the pay but Uber and Lyft are breaking the law because these drivers are employees not independent contractors. They are due vacation pay, unemployment insurance, and workers compensation insurance. I am a former payroll professional and human resources manager. The law states an independent contractor 1. Sets their own pay rate. 2. Decides how to do their job. 3. Does not have to accept pets (except servive animals by law) There are other things as well. But Uber and Lyft have many other shady practices: Lyft will cancel a drivers ride while they are en route and give it to another driver! That's an example of many practices for which they should be sued. So this is about holding these big corps accountable to the law. If they paid according to law, the pay rate would not be an issue.
I had a driver ask me how much I was charged. Now I understand why. The problem is. No matter how much we call out companies, the government has given these crooks in suits the legal ability to be as corrupt as necessary to make money. There will always be people who can afford the prices. Those people will not support the greater good. They will in turn say everyone else needs to catch up.
As long as our elected representatives accept campaign donations from lobbyists or PACS from these and most companies, it will be business as usual. In other words, the rich get richer and the working class get the picture!
I've been taking Uber and lyft to work and home 5 days a week for 7 months. So 10 rides a week. Every time I asked a driver what percentage of the fare they get, every single time I got a different answer. And that's fckn crazy to me nobody really knows. I can ask every employee at my job what they make an hour, a day, a week, and a year....and every single one can give me a clear answer.
@@JoseLopez-tk4tq correct. However as a people the citizens elected those officials. Take this mess back to Regan-trickle down economics. The laws are written so all those pockets can get lined. The corporations run the government.
how can a more perfect union be pushing this bs how can you call yourself a more perfect union justifying not paying people a living wage like taxi drivers
Absolutely. It's a grubby little scam a lot of industries are in on. Claim someone's an "independent contractor", sheet home all the operating costs onto them, all the while exercising a level of control over what they do that should make them an employee with all the applicable benefits. "Be your own boss!", they cry. "Flexible hours!", they bleat. It's all bullshit. They run you ragged while you have to work increasingly long hours just to break even, and if you complain... "Oh dear. It looks like we won't be renewing your contract. Sorry." And you better believe they'll fight tooth and nail to protect this exploitative model because it makes them phat stacks and costs them pennies.
Uber and Lyft have to be federally regulated...Needing a cab is a part of life , the two companies have a monopoly and together tomorrow could say a cab cost a million dollars and there's nothing you can do about it...
Heads up: the founder of Uber (who stole the whole concept from a small biz owner) has a brother who's in Congress! This is likely how they've gotten away with operating a taxi company while pretending to be an app 🧐! th-cam.com/users/shortsODoQBzd9Mos?si=QDaE8aoDdgumfOXp
Another fascinating thing that I have noticed as a driver is that in more richer wealthier neighborhoods the prices are far cheaper than inner city prices. It seems like low income communities are being charged more for a ride than a person who lives near the beach or in a well to do bougie neighborhood
That's why some trips I refuse because if the distance or trip isn't worth it to me I ignore it!! That's why I'm no longer a full time rideshare driver..I have met customers who are my personal customers and they pay very well so I'm gained more!
There are a couple reasons for that. The biggest one being demand. Low income areas have much higher demand due to more people overall, and less people with a car. The other big factor is safety. Especially at night, drivers do not want to drive in areas considered dangerous, so lyft/uber create a surge bonus in those areas to entice drivers there. Of course the riders are paying for that.
I believe it’s even worse with the food delivery side of these businesses. Customers are charged more for menu items through their apps,they are charged a service fee, a delivery fee and still have to tip for that trip to make sense for any driver to take it.
Meh..... doing both. I notice customers tip at least double the amount for their food compared to personal delivery. The lack of extra person in the car is completely different for insurance. Oh and the lack of conversation with the food is added security... people talk about some odd stuff. Omg and don't get me started on how people scratch up my car with their luggage or throwing up if their drunk!
Automated cars will kill off Uber and Lyft though because people won't need them anymore either. DUIs won't be enforcable if you have an automated car. Also smaller businesses will pop up with automated taxis that are more reasonably priced.
@@rs72098 No I think car ownership will be a thing of past. Car companies like Tesla, Ford, etc will either create a subscription model for themselves or lease to companies like Uber, Lyft so they are in control.
I am a Washington DC Uber driver for the seven1/2 years. And I definitely would like to stay in contact with your organization on putting forth legislation on and Uber/ Lyft giving drivers their do share of profits. I desperately would like to hear more about your progress. Thank for getting behind us on this important matter.
@@SgtJoeSmith What do do for a living troll people online? Issues like this has effect and ruin people’s lives for decades. And people like you who do nothing and say nothing don’t realize your day will come.Your not welcome to reply
@josephhunterel9545 I give people 6 figure jobs. Problem is I can't fill any of the 100,000 jobs globally I have for last 20 years cause everyone is too lazy and stupid and just want to be a nick her doing nick her jobs like this. So saying I do nothing to help is the biggest lie ever told. I spent and lost millions trying to help and wasted 20 years of my life.
Stockholders are all that ever matters to companies like this. They could care less about the people who actually built the business and keep it running.
@@amzagiovannithey haven’t turned a profit until 2023 so unlikely any dividends would be paid while losing money every year but there are a ton of companies who don’t pay dividends.
This is what it all comes down to. A company cannot take a “minor” loss in profits in an investor driven market. Because any loss means investors will drop, leading to inevitably greater loss. It’s the myth of “perpetual growth” that keeps driving inflation up year after year
I stopped driving rideshare at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020. By that time, after figuring in tax deductions, I was LOSING money on every ride I gave. This is the crap that rideshare companies did to the drivers: 1. If there was a big event in my city (and there are a LOT) the rideshare companies would recruit via email other drivers in other cities and states to drive in my area and give them bonuses. They gave local drivers nothing. 2. If we were in another state and we wanted to do rides there, we were not allowed. 3. With Lyft, if you wanted to be "prioritized" to accept rides, you had to give them 10% of the fare in return. 4. Both companies routinely cut rates for time and distance in an email and you couldnt do anything about it. 5. If you had a passenger damage your car, it was hard as hell to get compensation and if you did, the amount was reduced over the years. There are others, but everyone should get the point. And for those of you that say, "Get another job or Thats too bad", there are MANY drivers who are elderly, disabled, etc., who could NEVER find work in a traditional workplace. The rideshare companies are MULTI-BILLION $$ corporations who dont care.
i'm a Uber driver going on 8yrs part time now and yes i've notice from last year to todays date that Uber has been getting over with not paying the drivers like it was back when i first started driving for them! man we could make great money at that time! not no more with corporate greed! thanks for this video i'm glad people are paying close attention to this situation and are doing something about it!
8 years part time here as well, and yes, I miss the days of old. Used to be easy to make more than what it cost to operate. Tough to do now, and if it weren't for tips, I don't think I could make it happen.
serious question - why log in to an app if you don't want to do it? Was someone making you do that? Or did you choose it yourself? The stick in bike wheel meme comes to mind on this one
Former driver too. Sometimes I would get ride requests that seemed way too far for way too little and I would reject it. Then the same request would come thru a minute later with a little extra added. Uber could absolutely pay a fair wage but they are more interested in their stock price skyrocketing 100% in the past year then the well being of the employees who make their company money.
@@truth.speaker I quit DD after 1 months. If u want to hear why, we have to do this 1:1. Why Lyft. I have a healthcare Master degree from Europe which doesn't get accepted in the States. I use Lyft to make some income to b able to live and get to know the area better:) but driving 11 Mi for $6 and ur costumer pays $21? Feels out of control. They apologize that they won't tip, because Lyft charged already a ridiculous amount... Understandable
Thank you for reporting on this. It's absolutely maddening as a driver and keeps getting worse. Driving full time after expenses I made $20,000 last year and then owed $4,000 in taxes out of that. Not to mention 2 totaled cars from getting hit. I'd really like them to have to show you guys, the passengers, how much the driver is getting out of what they pay.
@@tomodiero7524 *After expenses. I'm sure a full-time ride share driver puts a lot of wear on their vehicle and needs a reliable unlimited mobile data plan...needs vehicle and health insurance.
This abuse by Uber has been going on for years. I drove for Uber and Lyft during their early years when they paid the drivers well. Once I saw the sneaky changes and decrease in pay I stopped. It's dead end work, just use it as a stepping stone to move on to better things. You'll make more money with less risk elsewhere. It's the easy money, fast pay, flexibility, and not having a boss that hooks drivers in.
I've worked rideshare for 5 years and over the years I've noticed the reduction in pay. My daily take went from bringing in between 300 and a little over 400 dollars a day to barely bringing in 200 dollars a day for the same amount of hours per day.
Time to get a job that doesn’t cost you gas money all day long. Why would you sign up for such a job when you can work at a restaurant and not have to spend gas the entire day
@@MOMO-m0m0 if you work for uber, you shouldnt be complaining when they screw you over. theres a million other jobs that are easy to get and make more $
@@andy_182 yeah start working at a restaurant and they make me dishwasher? no thank you. I get what you're saying and i agree, but when a restaurant manager sees your resume has rideshare on it at all, you're getting the mop. It would be better to find work in the transportation field, like a bus driver or amazon delivery, those jobs don't cost gas.
Add to that Uber is straight up stealing tips or including them in the upfront fare drivers are offered. That is a violation of the FLSA (Fair Labor and Standards Act). Tips are supposed to be in addition to what the driver is paid. Uber is not supposed to keep them in any way. For example…I got an upfront fare of $23 the other day for 27mi to the airport. I accepted because airport trips usually get tips in nicer areas. When I dropped the passenger off it said “you’ve received $17 from the trip” and then 2 mins later “congrats you received a $6 tip.” Acceptance rate is hard to keep high because of a couple of things. They send you offers where the pickup is 18mi away and the destination is another 15mi and their offer is $11-$13. Or a ride is 10mi away and a 5mi trip and offer you $6. We don’t get paid for the mileage going to pick up the passenger and the mileage is not tax deductible. And they send you the same offer you declined sometimes 3-4 times We are tasked with vetting whether the driver is of age because Uber doesn’t ask for background checks from the rider which leads us to a confrontation of an angry teen and their parent because they are dependent on us to get their child to school on time and that is not our fault. We are also tasked with picking up and assisting disabled and older people from doctors appointments (which often includes loading a wheelchair/walker/ other devices) at a very low rate. I’m wondering if maybe some of our politicians receive donations from these companies because I have yet to see any stick up for us drivers
You need to pay attention to the accounting as they are not messing with you tips. I verify all my upfront fares. The tip always comes in on top of the quoted upfront fare...ever single time for 10,500 trips. To prove my point, I've had about 20 rides that tipped before I ended the ride. In all cases, I got the upfront fair AND 100% of tips. I'm not defending Uber because the are crooks. I'm just stating I have massive data showing ZERO tip skimming.
They have stolen my tips many times and the shop and pay orders are always me spending my own funds and having them reimburse me because their Uber card is always declined. I call support and they are scripted and not helpful.
@@Jimboit2 Well, I have evidence that shows otherwise and other drivers here locally in Dallas that say the same thing. I’ll take my last tip of the day just to show it happens all the time. I was tipped $3. Uber deposited $2.85. This is done on every single tip. It’s called “tip shaving.” Doesn’t seem like much but it adds up. The “it doesn’t happen to me so it can’t be happening to you” defense doesn’t work. But hey, I’m sure Uber is proud that you’ve tried your best to come to their defense.
@DesignsByDannyB well, good luck driving for a company you say is stealing from you right under your nose. Doesn't sound like you really care so happy driving!!!
These companies want you to be an independent contractor, but if you refuse to take certain trips, or in my case, when I do Doordash, you refuse to pick up certain deliveries, you get a poor rating! That is not independent contractor, that is slavery, exploitation, and should be illegal!
In fact the whole acceptance rate and cancelation rate should not even exist period, I am a private contractor I reject what I want and cancel what I want and Uber should not hold any metric on that, in fact when I have complain about crappy fares like yesterday $8 dollars for 8 mile trip that I took where they charge the PASSANGER $18, their excuse is that I accepted the trip that I could decline it and that they pay me what we agree on. What we need is up front fare state wise that shows how much the PASSANGER is paying and how much we get vs Uber.
In my area in India, the drivers do this, they refuse to turn on AC, very badly maintained cars, they don’t come to the exact pickup point, and they want all cash. It’s very annoying for customers. Instead of standing up to Uber, they go about harassing customers. Due to this, I have now opted to use public transports or local taxi services more often. It’s a very bad business model of Ubers.
DoorDash was forced to stop the practice of cutting access to the app if a driver fell below a certain acceptance rate. Now they use the same acceptance rate to penalize drivers by saying if you don’t keep your AR above 70%, you’ll only get trash orders and less offers 🎉
I have done some math and for a Toyota Camry in San Francisco Bay area cost Uber/Lyft Drivers 41 cents each mile they drive including drive to pickup. Cost Cost Per Mile Calculated
Cost of Veahicle $34,000.00 $0.14 Life of 300000 miles Oil Change $60.00 $0.02 Life of 3000 miles Tires $400.00 $0.01 Life of 50000 miles Gas $4.10 $0.14 Average milage 30MPG Break & Fix $5,000.00 $0.02 Average Life time Insurance $150.00 $0.00 Registration $350.00 $0.00 Unpaid Driving 25% $0.08
I drove for Uber Eats, and my car was totaled on Sept 2nd, 2023, about 10 minutes, if even, after dropping off my last order, and while still on the app, still signed on to the same shift, no break taken, never signed off, and they only covered the other driver's car, not mine. That's really messed up. I won't work for delivery apps anymore. The damage the cars take.... not worth it!
The app could tell when I got in an accident by doing the same thing and the app said we can help so I filled out their little form and then they deactivated me and didn't pay me anything
you have no idea what you are talking about. UBER provides COMMERCIAL INSURANCE for every driver if they want to purchase it. it costs me about 10 cents for each ride. it would cost me $2,000/month if I went out and bought my own policy. so, stfu when you are ignorant of what you are talking about. if the moron is out driving around engaging in a commercial activity without commercial insurance then he is a fool and deserves to have a crunched up car and now he is walking@@nwatson2773
I am a Denver/Boulder Uber driver who quickly figured out.... only do short trips (in general). I stack up $5 short trips. I only do a long trip if it's a Confort ride or somehow it's paying okay. I NEVER leave town if it's surging. I spend a lot of time rejecting airport trips. I am not taking someone on an hour long journey for $30 ($20 after gas, plus a possible ride back to Boulder with no rider.) So, I accept very little trips, work every single day, and barely scrape by. But I'm not going to destroy my 2023 Rav 4 for 60 cents a mile. I'll seek other work if need be, or work nights (awful but better money). The way I see it, the only way out of this is for all drivers to drive smart. A $93 trip that takes you 5 hours is dumb. If every driver refuses to do trips that pay peanuts, there will be public outrage that they can't get a ride anymore. I've noticed all the local taxis seem to be glorified rideshare. They seem to be using their own cars. Maybe I'll go back to taxi driving but I doubt it. Uber has all the business now and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing. Uber and Lyft feel they can do whatever the hell they please. Right now, they can. Drivers need to refuse most trips. A strike isn't going to work, too many scabs (I can't blame them; they're trapped financially). It's actually a very cool job that simply doesn't pay its drivers well and really over-charges the riders. If the pay disparity can be fixed, everyone will be better off. They are basically creating an indentured servant class.
Dude, I've been driving for 4 months now and I'm doing the same thing that you're doing, only focus on the short rides. I drive a Tesla Model Y in San Francisco full time (as supplemental income), I charge the car at home and spend less than 4 dollars a day,I don't go to the superchargers because I don't need to drive that much, 80% of the battery is enough for me to drive 9 hours in the city of San Francisco. I mostly only drive short trips now in the city because most short trips actually pay way better than long trips per mile. San Francisco is a fairly small city, and SFO is only 25 mins away from downtown SF, the airport trip is the only long trip I do now, because I know after I drop someone off at SFO, I'm going to have another ride right away going back to SF, so I can make $50 or more in less than an hour. I would reject any long trip other than airport trips. The most important thing to keep in mind is the money we make per mile and whether or not you will get another ride immediately after one ride is finished. Driving in SF and mostly focus on short trips satisfy both conditions. Plus the two times or more airport round trips, I can average a little over $30 per hour and make $280 in less than 9 hours with only 4 dollars spent on home charging. No car beats Tesla in terms of cost on fuel/gas if you home charge your vehicle.
I've been a driver for five years. I've seen my share of the fare decrease from 1/2 to what it is now, 1/8 of the total. Tips are the only thing keeping me afloat. If even one factor worsens for me, I'm done. I love taking riders, meeting new people, the diversity of the walks of life I pick up, and the compelling conversations I have with them. I don't want to have to walk away from the only job I've actually excelled at.......but.....like everything else I once liked in or about this country of mine.....it looks like I'll lose this as well......I'm just getting really tired of having things taken away from me.At nearly 50 years old, Ive grown so accustomed to it, I can't even really find it within myself to be angry anymore. I'm just.....beaten..
@@user-vq1ne6es5m Do you know how much a taxi license costs in a major city like mine? It's not possible. Basically, the gig economy route to viable self employment is a red herring. Either a constructed lie, or a mirage........
Texas uber driver here with over 4,400 rides, when people ask me if i like this job, i tell them its the worst job I've ever had. But it allows me to take my kids to practices and more importantly allows me to never miss games or any other event I dont want to miss. That's the only reason for doing this job
Thank you for exposing this issue. I’m a driver and they take at least 60% of the fare. These greedy companies overcharge the riders and underpay the drivers. And they think It’s okay to do it until somebody do something to change it.
I always ask the drivers and most often than not they get less than 40% of what I pay. I paid $38 for my last ride in Denver and the driver told me he got only $12 after the trip and he showed me his phone. I felt bad for the dude who drives to pay for his college. I gave him a $10 note afterwards. Its so bad.
Thank you. Drivers who have been fighting this and struggling are silenced by corporations and their lobbying efforts and shady partnerships and deals. We need more public awareness and support.
Public awareness can only do so much. These corporations of America have a vice grip on everything with their lobbyists, and their shady deals and partnerships. It's time to take down corporate America and their lobbyists. We can't depend on politicians from the Republican Party or Democratic Party both parties are damn near owned by corporations due to huge donations to their campaigns
Drivers aren’t “fighting” this. There’s thousands of drivers going back out on the road everyday and more and more are signing up for the job. No one is going on a strike. No one is changing any laws. They obviously pay enough to keep the drivers coming back so that’s all that matters. A couple people complaining online isn’t fighting. On top of that, it’s not unfair what they’re doing. Any driver has the freedom to stop driving if they choose, but guess what, they don’t. Probably because they are being payed enough to keep them as an employee.
@@michaelslifecycleIt’s extremely illogical and unreasonable what their doing. They are using the economic collapse to their advantage. That is a form of oppression and extortion to the drivers and customers. That maintenance mileage and wear and tear on the vehicle they don’t consider. Soon all will submit to equity or they will never see life again. There is a great King that sits high and is getting ready to cripple and summon all Nations. These sharks don’t have much more time to swim. As the Kingdom of heaven is nigh.
@@michaelslifecycle you've clearly never looked into this at all, lol. there are many organizations led by drivers, including CDU (ct drivers united), for example. I gave a testimony along with many others to our state legislature and we had a bill passed. it's a slow struggle with a lot of pushback but it's really sad that because of that, folks such as yourself remain ignorant (not your "fault", just that you don't know bc of lobbying, & other cover-ups, distractions etc) to what's happening.
furthermore, we're in a digital age and as these are digital platforms, online testimony and speaking out in this way *does* matter and make a huge impact.
I'm a Lyft driver and what i noticed last week they want to pay me $21 dolar when the Rider payed $73 dollars to lift Thats tells me they r keeping around 65% of the total amount My question is where can i complain about it
Pre-Pay Tips can be considered as a VIP priority trip request. Drivers love to see how much tips they can get before they accept the trip. Because all drivers get too low pay by Uber. That's why they desired Pre-Pay Tips.
Sad sad sad! Gas, maintenance, tires insurance and driver fatigue makes no sense. With no sick pay and time off with pay makes it hard to fathom. Thanks for sharing this story. 🙏🏽
All of this also applies to Walmart Spark. Started off paying really well and now the pay is in the toilet basically. But when gig work is your only source of income while looking for other work, what do you do? People say things like “it’s supposed to be a side hustle to make a few extra bucks.” As if that makes them ripping you off any better lol. You’re putting miles on your own car, paying for gas, maintenance, registration, ect. Just to turn around and have to pay taxes at the end of the year.
A few years ago, I did the math to see how much it would cost me to get one 10 mile trip (20 miles in total, because I"d ride both ways) per week. It came out to about the same amount as maintaining a car I own, including insurance, parking, tune ups, gas, etc.. I came to the conclusion that I might as well keep my own car, since then I can come and go without calling and waiting for a ride, or wondering whether or not the stranger in the car is going to attack me with a hammer. Anyway, since then ride share and rental costs have only skyrocketed. It may well be cheaper now to keep a car than to ride share.
Working mostly weekend nights, most of my passengers are from out of town, or have been drinking. Car rental prices are through the roof, and you don't want to have people driving under the influence. Taxis were open for the taking because they are extremely unreliable, many drivers have a poor driving record, and they charge 3x what uber does.
its more dangerous for the driver on a scale, numbers wise, passengers just think thats the way it is because of a false stigmatism on drivers and the passenger mentality, its all psychological, and actually when its not surging the rides are priced way to cheap, to trick passengers into thinking this is good at the expense of the driver, theres no way of knowing if the passenger is sitting back there knowing there getting a free ride or doesnt know time and distance, hmmmm this ride cost me 5 bucks to go 2 miles, how it the hell is the driver getting more than 5 of not less, hmmm maybe the company is paying them more....ummmm no that would mean they are burning there own money to get u a free ride as an incentive to pay more than what u paid, which appens sometimes, but most of the time the driver gets 3 maybe 2.25 of the 5, and that for any distance ratio....its all in my comment above
thats because uber charges to cheap, its all in y comment above, over time you passengers feel entitled to cheap prices when its not surging but ur costing the driver money when theres not enough if a tip read above@@rubenleal4821
btw its so annoying that lots of passengers make jokes infront of there drivers about being kidnapped raped etc, it happens to lots of drivers, there could be 2 groups of ppl in a car, and 2 stops, the driver is talking to everyone like a human being and the first group gets out and says, omg be careful, we hope it ends well, we dont know this guy etc....or they can say it in many more rude ways....but then group 2 goes, its ok i dont think ill die or get taken into the woods....its like they want us to hear them say that to make them feel at ease and or just knwing they can or think they can get away with it when u can be kicked out of the car at that moment and feel stupid for making the joke
Thanks for your video. We definitely don't get paid enough, but with Uber, using my monthly statement , I make almost exactly 70% of what Uber is paid.
The way for drivers to strike is by asking the rider what they're being charged, then have them cancel the ride and then charge them less directly. Rider pays less, drivers make more, and the companies get screwed.
yes, but what comes with that is the lack of security. Customers use Uber because of the safety factor.. this is the USP advantage Uber promotes i.e. tracking of the rides and cutting out any issues relating to money owed.
Few weeks ago, I had a Lyft passenger who shared me how much he paid for his ride. The amount he paid for 21 miles was $84, the amount I was paid by Lyft was $20. When I told him this, he was so shocked and gave me a$9 tip. I know how these companies rip drivers ruthlessly.
I am asking that question from every passenger I get and I'm actually getting them to do cash deals with me if they need a ride in the future. They'll save money and I'll make more money.
Uber is paying me 17 dollars hourly for delivering groceries I am being robbed by Uber Nuts right and don't show your tip money before you take the delivery Nuts
they gave you the customer. figure orutp what you are dooing and do it better. it's freedom you want to complain to your boss go work at McDonald's. I simply call my Filipinos in uber Dimond support and they usually cheer me up if I get any crummy riders. like fat people who can't wash under there folds of stlkin .
There is a commercial insurance policy paid on for everytime plus all the data/ software expenses. Don't think that's cheap for Uber. That's why a fair price for a ride is the taxi rate. No way around it.
@@djlemoncello6064Really??? That policy is a JOKE! They don’t pay out on claims very often and WHEN THEY DO!!! The driver pays a $2500 deductible…. Lololoolllll! Stop it..
It's still not a expense free business. And yes the customer in the end pays for the ride which should be valued at the price of a cab when you sit down and do the math. And that commercial policy is what your elected officials have set up as a legal requirement. I don't defend Uber, I use to drive to the platform and still take rides. Still a better deal than a DUI.
@@djlemoncello6064 bottom line is this…. That “trickle down” effect shit don’t work. Any business has operating expenses… paying a CEO MILLIONS of dollars is not necessarily an expense that is worth the cost. If the people at the top of the company STOP being greedy and take cuts from their own wages like the folks on the bottom have to, maybe, just MAYBE the playing field would be a little more level
It's about time people like yourself are looking into this. As a part-time driver here in Florida where I feel we aren't appreciated at all. I ask riders how much they so I can compare it to my earnings and I have seen myself only getting about 40-50% of the ride when the contract says 70-30% it's not fair and uber should be held accountable. Thank you for what you doing and putting them on the spot. Lmk if I can help
We DO get 70%...of the Time and Mileage charges ONLY...we DO get the Surge your map shows you and, we do get the entirety of the Tip...but THEY charge the Rider whatever they want...PERIOD! That's why you see (The Ride Share Professor) Lyft charging a Rider 192.00 for an airport trip and the Driver is getting 54.00
Had a friend do Uber eats on the side and they hardly made $10 per delivery. Some were low as $5 for 20+ minutes drive and one order was $80 and only received $9 out of it. Not only does uber rips off the drivers, they also rip off the customers with those ridiculous high "service" fees
I've been receiving $4 deliveries upwards of 13 miles all day, haven't taken a single one. It says "25 minutes" but not only is that 13 miles one way, making 80% of that $4 for gas, but its to a restaurant notorious for 20+ minute waits.
On top of it, the driver has to pay for wear and tear, insurance, fuel... I tried Lyft for 3 months. 3 tire punctures later and one way 90 mile trips into the late hours of night with zero paid rides back home... TOTAL RIPOFF of drivers. One man wanted a ride from Disney area to Palm Beach. Roughly 500 miles round trip. I said no, drove off, then turned around, went back, and offered to do it for $200 cash. He accepted. That still cost me far more than it was worth. Silly. The way they emotionally manipulate drivers is the old, "You own your own business with all of the freedom to work whenever you want and be whoever you want to be with all the money you make." Right, at $0.56 a mile in Orlando at that time. The best was Daytona at $0.91 a mile with the occasional busy bonus if you so happen to be in that perfect area at that time. I also got threatened and cursed at probably once a week. No thanks.
I recently stopped driving for Uber. I completed nearly 5K rides and within that time, the opportunity to make money decreased significantly. When I began, Uber would offer between, say, an extra $100-$200 for X amount of rides (say 50+ rides in a three day period), now they offer like $30 for 80 additional rides! Pure wickedness. Also, I had began to rent a Telsa through Uber/Hertz to drive with the mentality of keeping miles on my car low, but with that you're paying like $600+ a week just to rent the Tesla. For that price you can BUY two Tesla's. Unfortunately, being a Uber/Lyft driver is NO LONGER WORTH IT.
I drive for Uber/Lyft in Cincinnati and I am very thankful for what you are doing. I think when Uber gives us 45% of the fare, it’s them being generous. I had a passenger that I picked up at CVG that paid $82 but I was getting only 32$ ish for that trip.
@@The_North0why you willing to pay more as a customer😂😂😂 if they can solve this issue the price will come down because right now uber take 50% if there is a regulation that force them to take only 25% uber will definitely not paying more to driver, they will lower the price! 😂 but that will benefit driver too as the price come down, more customer will take more uber than other public transportation
I’ve been driving rideshare in Chicago since July of 2016. The transparency suggested by Rep. Vigil is simply returning to the way it all used to work. Transparency was always there - until both Uber and Lyft took it away. Right now, my acceptance rate with Uber is 11.5% and my acceptance rate with Lyft is 11% as well. The upfront fares offered for most rides are absurdly low, all while passengers are being charged higher fares. Beyond that, there is no consistency with regard to how fares are structured. Instead, both platforms utilize their massive data sets to charge one passenger X dollars for a ride from point A to point B, while charging a different passenger Y dollars for that same ride from point A to point B. It’s the equivalent of two people walking into Target or Walmart and being charged different prices for a gallon of milk and a dozen eggs, based upon their known buying habits. On the driver side, the same thing is happening - two different drivers are paid different fares for that same UberX ride from point A to point B. It is completely unethical and if it isn’t already illegal (apparently, it is not!), it should be. Regulation is absolutely necessary for the ridehare industry, on a nationwide scale.
Oh trust me, it is illegal! However, until a commission, or whoever agency or organization oversees this type of business, decides to investigate and probably come to the conclusion that yes what they’re doing is illegal and fine these companies some millions, rideshare companies would have made billions! You see what I’m saying? The profit overwhelmingly outweighs the cost, therefore they’re doing it. They need to go to prison, not fined! That’s the only way these businesses, and other similar ones, would change their business models.
A point that isn't highlighted very well but is huge: these companies are taking advantage of drivers perception of the pay. If Uber was supplying the car, the pay would be fair, but they don't. So what ends up happening to most drivers is that they basically trade the equity they have in their car for the pay. Maybe you made $40k in a year, but if they devalued their car by by $15k ? It does not make sense. Some of the drivers are not educated enough to realize this until their car is falling apart.
@@ctll626 I'm not specifically talking about people in the video. I'm sure most people are noticing a lot more vehicles with bumpers taped on. My point is that these companies are taking advantage of this dynamic. There is no regulation preventing them from abusing drivers. Documenting in order to hold them accountable would be difficult and costly. Hopefully our comments help people
@@AdventuresnTyland yup, Why are 1099 jobs allowed? I think it's just a way for corporations to save the cost of benefits while paying low. The workers end up taken advantage of.
Also, not to leave out Surge pricing and Quest bonuses. These are strictly deterrants brought on by Uber/Lyft to avoid paying drivers a flat reasonable fee. Basically an intentional strategical tactic to keep you from questioning them to begin with. On top of that, uber/lyft have no problem throwing rides to pickup in another zipcode (which driver is not compensated for extra time and fuel). The more drivers accept these consuming rides, the more Rideshare will not be willing to change their position.
You should do a similar study on the load boards used by Tractor Trailer drivers. The loads are placed by brokers who do not disclose how much they are being paid by the customer. So many tractor trailer independent operators grabbing rates that in the end only lead to them going out of business in a year or two. Brokers should be required to disclose to all contractors what they are paid across all industries .
Lack of transparency is a disaster for workers whether they drive for Uber or operate their own rigs. The founders of Uber probably copied techniques used by trucking brokers. The only hope for the drivers is for the government to step in and regulate these corrupt companies.
All drivers must come together and put this rideshare corporations accountable for their actions. As a 7 year lyft and uber driver veteran here in San Diego CA, I have seen a lot of these bad upront fares and i feel being robbed.
To be fair we need to examine UBER and LYFT expenses. But I have a suspicion there are dozens or more executives making multi million dollar salaries and bonuses. Also they need to pay investors who have nothing to do with running the business.
This need to be regulated nation wide. Drivers can bearly make ends meet uber try to pay Drivers $2 for 16 miles sometimes while hiding the cost the customer pay. The customer is mad because they may have paid $40, the Driver is mad because they got $2, while uber and lyft are laughing their way to the bank with $38. Ride charges need to be regulated and transparent.
I’m glad to see Stephanie Vigil getting a chance to articulate her stance on a reputable channel with a larger outreach. I’ve seen her on some of the smaller gig tube channels, where in my opinion, her position was marginalized. Her position is fact driven and pragmatic.
Ive had several riders exchange info with me because they would rather pay me directly for rides, rather than pay Uber. This is very enlightening as a returning driver!
I had one that I picked up. She says I can’t believe how expensive it is to take an Uber. So I asked her what are they charging her for the ride? She stated $60 after the ride I showed her I got 36. Dollars. She was shocked by how much Uber takes.and I explained to her that’s why Uber is showing a profit at the moment or attempting to get investors to believe it’s a profitable company. She basically said that’s not sustainable. And I agreed.
Thank you for making this video. I’ve been working UBER & LYFT for 7 years. I’m making less every year because UBER & LYFT are taking a higher percentage
Thank you for taking the time to make this to educate riders/public. Uber cut and cuts pay rates every now then again while painting a picture that drivers are making $300 per day. As a longtime driver, to make $300 per day I would have to drive for 16 hours and around 500 miles per day. Now they have hidden surge value, or $ amount on top of a trip with a surge. There’s no accountability and ramifications for Uber/Lyft horrendous treatment towards its drivers. They forget, without drivers these companies will crumble.
Was at DIA in July, and ordered a Lyft. Excellent driver, friendly, fun to chat with, he even helped us (4) with bags. We definitely tipped him more. We were trying to make up for the fact, that it almost seemed like robbery the amount he was getting for the ride, included more than one passenger. I wish I could’ve given him more. To all the drivers, you are appreciated.
Gas time wear n tear to our cars plus try getting yellow cab they will charge you double or triple you select uber or Lyft you get comfort you get quality & efficiency. People seriously need to start tipping more can't stand NO Tippers & Low Tippers.
Thank you very much for doing this video. I have been driving for both Uber and Lyft over 8 years and now make a 1/4 of what I made 2 years ago doing the same rides and hours. These companies are as corrupt and greedy as they come. I am convinced they steal tips as well.
Uber definitely steals tips. I don't think lyft does, but both companies are screwing us drivers over bigtime compared to how it was prior to Summer '22
As a rideshare driver I 100% agree with everything you said! Uber and Lyft ripping of drivers and riders. Couple of day ago I deleted Lyft account. I’m looking for other ways to make money now, because it’s not worth it. Thank you for doing your work and hopefully soon legislation will pass and drivers will be paid fair money. 🙌
It’s not worth it but let me ask did you want to be employed 9-5 type job with set pay and set hours? This is my concern with regulation. Why can’t people just refuse the offers find something better, so that we don’t lose the opportunities for independent gig work? I only know a few people that want this on a set schedule and dozens who absolutely need flexibility
Start your own service with one car and yourself. There are elderly people that need to go to the doctor's office and grocery shopping, and other places. Work out the cost and what and how it would be profitable to you. Place flyers in the churches , restaurants , different places
@@leilanigreenwood5064 traditional way is outdated due to technology or app based but I do see your point. There maybe a small chance left for that niche for elderly,who knows
You mean the same legislation that can easily be swayed and bribed in favor of those in power, with unlimited wealth and resources? You talking about that one?
@@CCAnneYes, as many do. I did Lyft for 6 months years back when 1/2 of my department was laid off. Are we to rip off and dehumanize drivers for their personal set of circumstances?
You can! By walking instead of using them :) neither the driver nor the passenger is forced to partake. It's a consensual business interaction. Don't like it? Don't use the convenience.
@@ADDisAOK Why does the state organism exist? Why do we pay taxes? The state must prevent monopolization! I hope your comment is a joke! Because your comment is ridiculous!
@@aliaslan5755 Uber and Lyft aren't monopolies. Go get a cab license. Do you honestly want the state to have control over every aspect of your life? If you wanna work a shit job for shit pay go ahead. State shouldn't be allowed to stop you if you're of sound mind.
They don’t exploit anyone. The customer agrees to the price they are offered on the app and is willing to pay. The driver agrees to the price that Uber is willing to pay them for driving the customer. Everyone willingly agreed to take part in the trip. So, no, you’re wrong. No one was exploited. This is literally the definition of justice, not injustice. If you have an issue with the pricing, don’t use the service. It’s that simple.
unfortunately legislators are beholden to capitalist interests as well, on both sides of the aisle. but you've got a lot of allies behind you if you decide to join the movement to abolish this kind of exploitation; you're in good company, with radical socialists like martin luther king jr. in your corner.
The biggest way to show them that you're not going to put up with it is to stop working for them and/or stop paying for their services. I know it's probably really inconvenient but that's the best way to send a message.
Just quit Uber after six years full time. It used to be fun, so much that certain things I could overlook. It became so bad I could not turn a blind eye anymore, getting consistently 40-45% of what the pax paid was too much.
Well said. It’s heartbreaking. Not only did they take away all the incentives but also cut the take rate for the driver and call it “opportunity” and “ upfront pricing”
The unions just going to charge you more per month. Guess what? They tend to get in the pockets with the very people they're supposed to be helping you work with. I'd like to see a worker's Bill of Rights at a federal level. The Apps need to be put on notice. These companies must be forced to show how they're going to charge their fees. How that fee structure will look. Antitrust Monopoly action needs to happen on a more regular basis with our Federal Trade Commission that has not done anything to protect consumers since the late 90s!!
Unionize lol. So you want it as a career? Was Uber ever a career option? You are a sub contractor not employee. Just pointing out your statement is just lame. But I agree Uber or anyone else should not be keeping that much of the money. %20 tops
Cabs where i live are actually cheaper than uber/lyft I paid 71 with tip yo get my drunk ass cuzin home last weekend and uber wanted 96 b4 tip hell naw!!
@@qbanz00Exactly I remember arguing with cab drivers for purposely taking a long route when I told them the quickest way. I'd rather deal with rideshare companies vs crooked cab drivers again. Laws just need to crack down on how much rideshare drivers are getting per ride. It needs to be increased.
I had a roommate that was a black car driver when Uber came to our city. Taxi drivers tried to organize and fight them but they lost the battle. I see Uber as an actual criminal enterprise. Also, not disability accessible!
@@glitteryglowy7639 Right? I moved minutes from the city and there's nothing. The "accessible" transit can take hours for a 25 min drive because they'll be picking up others and dropping them off.
@@jedjules1952 Holy moly now I see the headlines. This just gets even more disturbing. This is how monsters are made. Get political backing and become publicly traded. Yuck.
As drivers, we can always ask passengers how much they paid for the ride. This is where we should use discretion, but if you've been driving awhile, you know who you can ask and who you can;'t. Be mindful of who you are asking this. I think most passengers would be willing and in fact are probably curious about how much the driver is getting.
I had conversation with my Lyft driver during a ride from downtown Dallas to DFW. Despite being billed almost $60, the driver received only $16, and even had to cover toll expenses from this meager amount. The lack of transparency in their practices seems like one of the most significant heists in history. Drivers need to unite and collectively voice their concerns to bring more attention to these issues and potentially halt operations for days.
And the white elephant in the room nobody is talking about is that the entire Share Ride apps business model was built on backs and the sweat of immigrant workers. I guarantee you that 90% of all Lyft and Uber drivers are immigrants, yet the rich and ignorant MAGA Nation minions really hate them.
Your driver wasn't very smart to accept your ride. Driver had enough detail upfront, so their problem. Or maybe they were playing you for a bigger tip. Did you end up tipping bigger than normal?
Tips are the ONLY reason that drivers take airport rides. As an overall percentage in a group, airport riders tip more often. People going to work generally don't tip. People going to and from school generally don't tip. About a third of those coming home from clubs an/or events tip. Fares to and from the airport are around half of what they were a few years ago. The part of town you work also has a huge impact on tips, that's the only secret of rideshare that drivers need to learn. Tips are generally at least half of my weekly take. Having a clean car, available charging ports, dress nice (casual can still be nice), be friendly, and let the customer lead whether or not they want conversation. That will get you tips.
Been an Uber and Lyft driver for 7 years on and off. These are key reasons why I’m starting my own private chauffeuring business. These drivers that are serious about their job need to start getting financially literate so they can step away and get into true self employment. I urge all full time drivers to start learning how to run your own legal business or get a class A license CDL or else you will eventually be homeless. Our cars only last so long. Get a game plan and execute it. Uber and Lyft do not care about us at all.
Uber & Lyft hide the total cost of a ride from drivers. The lack of transparency is intentional. Send a direct message to CEOs Dara Khosrowshahi & David Risher demanding Uber & Lyft be honest with drivers now --> actionnetwork.org/letters/uber-lyft-be-honest/?source=youtube-comments
You’re an angel, thanks for covering this issue ❤
Driver has no idea where to look for how much rider pays)) where do u get those retards?? Come interview me) I do this for 7 years now) I know all the tricks and I’ll show you how much real drivers make.
To see pax price swipe up and by log out button thing way bill. Push on it and like 7 lines down is pax price.
When you do thing right Uber is negative on you) Uber loosing money when u know what u do..
Uber and Lyft are epic examples of deception
Just a thought, but can the uber user talk to the driver after he pulls up, cancel the ride, and just pay what uber was charging in full to the driver? Not a boycott, but a pricecott.
A week ago Uber paid me $28 for a long trip and I asked the rider how much he paid , he said $48.98 . $28/48.98 = 57% . That is , Uber took 43% and leaving me with 57% while I am responsible for the car , gas , maintenance, inspection, registration etc literally everything except their platform. Uber and Lyft are ripping off drivers. Until drivers get together to file a lawsuit against these robbers they will not stop . Zero transparency.
@Ohzeeyayhahahaha
@Ohzeeyaystrip clubs have laws to prevent monopolies
@Ohzeeyaythis is the mentality that ruins everyone from getting payed the right amount and for corporations to continue to be greedy
I was thinking drivers should go on strike nation wide ,so they can see how we the drivers are Uber/Lyft without our vehicles on the road,Rideshare is not a thing.
@Ohzeeyayexactly.. Uber suppose to be a side not a main source of income…
They undercut the cab companies put them out of business and then straight up jacked up the prices once they eliminated the competition. Sounds like an anti trust violation to me.
Sounds like what all corporations do! Walmart I’m looking at you!
Yep!
@@nwatson2773 Staples did that too. They practically gave stuff away, put all the mom and pop stores out, then they raised prices.
This part is exactly what they did
Actually they got the model from Amazon. Which is to secure massive amounts of funds from Wallstreet, run your businesses for a loss for over a decade to drive out the competition and then jack up your prices once you have a monopoly.
As an accountant, I did Uber and Lyft a few years ago on weekends to make a few extra bucks. After about 300 rides, I created my own report that detailed my revenue, expenses, hourly work pay rate, etc. And came to the conclusion that was only making about $9 maybe $10 per hour in profit while putting lots of wear and tear on my vehicle. I stopped all ride share driving after that.
“Profit is revenue minus expenses“
I'm not an accountant but I did the same thing and I come up with approximately $7.20 an hour after everything is paid including my taxes
That was two years ago
They don't give as much promotions now and I did the math again and now I'm down to $6.25 an hour
I'm kind of surprised you were making even $9 - $10 / hour with it.
I knew people in the taxi industry (back when it was alive and before the ride share apps came in illegally) and even back then, taxi drivers were only making about $5 / hour (if honest) and up to $10 / hour if dishonest and willing to break the law [illegal parking frequently, running the occasional red light, charging the wrong tariff, charging extra tolls that were not warranted].
Of course this was 15 - 20 years ago.
The reason for this was that taxis had a lot of expenses. i.e. Owner would supply a car, insurance (very expensive), rego (very expensive) and he would do 50:50 with the driver. i.e. If $200 on the meter for the day, the driver would get $100 and the other $100 would go to the owner for maintaining the vehicle.
Sure, $100 sounds like a lot but it is not.
Rego was about $3000 / year (public passenger vehicles (i.e. buses, taxis) pay huge CTP due to the higher risk due to driving so much)
Insurance was $3000 - $4500 / year (Again, higher chance of crashing due to driving so much)
Affiliation fees (paid to taxi call centre) was $700 / month ($8400 / year)
So far the owner is up to $14400 - $15900 and that's not even any maintenance yet.
Let's say a car costs $30,000 to purchase and lasts 300,000 Km (with no oil changes, no maintenance, no tyres) and that the day driver puts 150 Km on it each day ($200 on the meter)
This means the car cost (without maintenance) is 10 cents / Km
150 Km = $15
Converting $14400 to daily is $39.46 - $43.56
Let's round $39.46 - $43.56 to just $40 for easy math
$40 + $15 = $55 (out of that $100) so now the owner is left with $45
Next, the owner has to pay for fuel or half of it. Fuel for the day is about $30 (Well was back then) so take another $15 out of the remaining $45 = $30
There is of course another fee which is the taxi plate. They are purchased for a few hundred thousand dollars or leased for $2000 / month from an owner.
$2000 / 28 days = $71 / day. Subtract $71 from the remaining $30 = and the owner is now making a loss of $41 each day.
How is this possible ?
The owner of course needs to run the taxi 24/7 (day and night driver) to make a profit. The night driver of course makes a lot less but if he's good, and works 12 hours he can make $150 on the meter.
So this gives $75 to the owner - fuel of $30 - $10 vehicle cost = $35
Now the owner is only losing $7 a day
Here is the tipping point. Friday / Saturday night drivers take more so instead of $200 on the meter, the good ones will put $300 on the meter. This adds $200 to the equation which the owner will get $100.
So now he's making a profit of $93 / week.
Remember, this is if there is no maintenance , no oil changes, no tyres.
This is why a lot of taxis are going around without comprehensive insurance (pays for your own car and other things you hit) or just 3rd party damage (pays for what you hit only)
Of course when uber came out, they were taking 25% (not 50%) but you the owner were supplying the vehicle (purchase, maintenance, insurance, registration). Of course you didn't have taxi call centre affiliation (well you did - 25% as uber), paying an owner (well you're paying yourself anyway) so it looked like a better deal, however you were getting paid less as uber rates were about 50% of what taxi rates were (which is why people switched).
This is why a lot of uber drivers drove their car into the ground then were broke and unable to buy a car after 2 years when their car was now dead.
Exactly, but that’s not what people are doing. They skip the quarterly taxes, an ignore the costs of replacing the vehicle. No ones adjusted to the new costs and think somehow $20-$30 and hour is ok, not adding up what they now cost themselves in the long term. If people just refused the low offers it would correct itself! It’s so simple but instead this is going to become a job, after it demolished taxi companies, this will be a job, set hours, set pay, even though the majority does not want that.. it’s frustrating
@@roadmonitorozmy family owned a few taxi companies in NY everyone made 40% and didn’t use their own vehicle.. strange to me that was the standard for all the companies I ever met, that’s awful that you were paid so little
In most of European Countries Uber is banned because they pay Slavish.
Is Lyft and other gig work banned there, too?
After locking my keys in my car, an Uber driver took me home to get my key. Then gave me a free ride back to my car with the key. These drivers are some of the hardest working and unselfish people on the planet. Thank you Antonio!
Not all of them would do this. You got lucky.
Yeah, some drivers are straight-up douchcanoes.
Also did you tip the guy in cash for all that? That’s a questions that needs to be asked
Yes I did. I am an Uber driver myself.
In NYC they're the most hated drivers on the road. But seeing how they're treated I understand why they're so stingy.
I’m driving for Lyft for 5 years. From last year , it became very difficult to pay my rent and cover my expenses. We need to take action against these criminals. We need to go on strike. Let’s come together and fight. Thank you madam for your initiative.
Don't work for them I believe it's still voluntary
@@Cardiojunkie1 I don't believe is volutary to pay for food, rent etc.
Drivers have no alternative
@@Gusr404 right
Class action law suit
@Gusr404 but they don't earn anything, even if you have illusion you do all those money will go toward repairs and amortization
I do gig work full time, mainly Uber, Lyft and DoorDash, I really appreciate you putting in the effort to do this. This is what real journalism looks like
Just really late to the game. Thx
Look at entire gig economy - the concerning part is how much of the economy this is? It’s all a part of rich taking advantage of poor. Nothing new…just context has changed….
is doordash better?
@@blackfalcon1324 Door dash used to be good but it’s gotten worse and only going downhill, they keep advertising for more drivers while simultaneously dropping the pay dashers receive
Bro just came to america off the boat and he purchased a moped LOL. Brokie
I'm surprised this video doesn't have 50 billion views and it was uploaded 7 months ago this is crazy because Millions on top of millions of us drivers relate to this
Share it
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STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE !!!
They are paying TH-cam to keep it on the down low lol😅
@@majinbuu19831 so if Uber has to pay you a wage and benefits. Are you going to be ok with a schedule? Uniform? Rules such as no AirPods? Inspections for cleanliness? It’s a two way street.
Last ride I did was picking up someone at the Airport in Philadelphia . Customer claimed they were being charge $90 but for that ride, I was getting $15. That was the last time I used Lyft. Thank you for bringing awareness as this has been going on got too long and has only gotten worse
There must be a class action against these companies
I have been a Lyft and Uber driver for just over 10 months. This is a short term situation for me while I wait for hip replacements. I have an MBA and have monitored my income, hours, expenses and, when available, the amount the passengers paid. For drivers to say that Uber and lyft's take rates are 40 to 60% misses the actual mark significantly. Those # are based on the gross fare the passengers pay. Essentially all the costs are carried by drivers. The fuel, maintenance, depreciation, equipment (vehicle payment) come out of the driver's take. When adjusted to reflect the costs incurred by drivers the ride share companies take rate is 78 to 90+% of the fare. Uber and Lyft don't want to release data on costs, take rates, etc because the backlash they'd face would be unbelievable. These companies also take advantage of the driver's lack of education on how to run a business. Think of any company's equipment expenditures, the investment made in a backhoe, water jet or CNC machine tool are for the sole purpose of increasing the companies profits. Uber doesn't want drivers to think about costs in this manner, they prefer it when driver's think "well I have the car anyway so . . "
Here's a way to understand the situation. Cab services existed and made money for decades using a business model that didn't depend on manipulation and deception. The cab services owned the vehicles and employed the cabbies. The cab drivers made 8 to 12 times what uber drivers do and the "technology" used to run the business consisted of a phone line, dispatcher and 2 way radios. The advantages that GPS brought to the I dustry was a gift to the drivers. The massive overhead that uber has is of almost zero added value. The algorithm is designed to maximize Ubers profits at the expense of the passengers and drivers. The ride share business is a scam, not very different than WeWork. The buzz created by an online shared work 3nviroment/commercial real estate venture overwhelmed the ridiculous business model it used. The situation with Uber is no different. Going from one place to another in a car does not require, nor benefit from a Google Cloud Services deployment. It's window dressing at Best. Additionally, It was also to the cab services advantage to make the best use of their drivers efforts and minimize the distance and time between rides. Uber doesn't pay drivers for the time and distance required to get to the passengers location. I've been offered rides through the app that paid $4, where 3-5 minutes in duration and a couple of miles in distance. The passenger location was 24 minutes and 8 miles away. On a hourly basis I'd make about -$5 an hour if I accepted a ride like that (just in case there's a misunderstanding, that hourly rate is NEGATIVE $5 an hour, I'd be paying Uber to drive their passengers around. The monumental waste of fuel and human capital, along with the environmental impact, that Uber is guilty of in this business model is shameful.
@@jscotlandr
Outstanding comment. Thanks
@@williamwolfpeyote8286lol wtf! You did that? Poor rider.
@@williamwolfpeyote8286fawk that, I would have told the rider to cancel and told them to give me $50 and we would have been on our way!
My dad was a black cab driver with TCP, commercial insurance, airport tags. When uber/lyft came with none of those extra expenses and charged customers at a loss, it killed his business. How could he compete against a service that was half the cost and much more convenient?
At the time, people overlooked the lack of regulation and unfair competition, since it was seen as progress and a benefit to consumers. But now after Uber/Lyft has killed the competition, they are charging more than what my dad charged while the drivers barely make any money.
A job that used to be able to let a family get by, is now less than minimum wage. A ride that used to cost $100 in a black car with actual adequate insurance and passenger protections now charges $130 to the customer while they’re driven by a driver that is sleep deprived, overworked, and underpaid.
Who cares?
Taxi companies weren't saints in that scenario either. The major complaints most people had with taxis were how when you ordered one they rarely showed up.
Uber/lyft fixed that. Also the Taxi companies had a monopoly on the market until ride share came along. So the prices of cabs kept going up and up. It is STILL cheaper to catch an Uber than it is to take a cab in a lot of places.
Then you have the fact that Taxi companies spent MILLIONS on getting legislation passed to outlaw ride share rather than try and compete.
Your dad should be switching from black cab to Uber/Lyft at the time instead of whyning.
I moved over to DiDi in late 2022 when I saw Uber had some unethical practices like changing riders ratings for no reason, overcharging and having a very poor support system.
With DiDi, I find they are prompt with my concerns, especially if a driver treated me rude, and are strict about their policies.
Taxi drivers were gouging us for DECADES and this was the eventual market response, if drivers and companys charged fairly in the first place uber or lyft wouldnt exist.
As a Denver driver of over 5 years, I thank you for this story because passengers do not realize how bad the drivers are really getting screwed. These companies are completely out of control.
But yet you continue driving for the Devil😂😂🤦🏻♂️
@@fivestarlimos barely
I worked for years for these apps. At any time I can flexibly log off and never work again. Which I eventually did.
Given the freedom and flexibility I had, why did you never realize that if you weren't happy to continue, you could simply log off and never ever go back online?
Like seriously - If you don't want to do it, why did you keep opening the app and driving again for the same app?
@@fivestarlimosI'm 14 months in and made the decision. To leave asap, so not for much longer. Great video and informative!!
That’s what happens when you follow the rules in life. You end up on a dead end job.
I am working on starting an organization here in Florida to represent the drivers.
At the end of the day, it’s highway robbery what they are doing. Us as drivers need to stand up against this extortion.
We do all the leg work sacrificing our time, vehicles a long with the rest of our costs, for them to take the highest dollar on each ride!
I did Uber for almost 2 years. I hated it. Any money I made went straight to gas. Ive been telling friends and family that Uber screws their drivers, and this video explains it perfectly.
You were working bad I think, because, in my case, with 15$ of gas I could get more. But I remember at first when I started and I knew anything, in Doordash it was how you say. Because I used to take those bad unfair orders of 2-4 dolars. And I had not money even for gas. But later I went listening podcast about delivery, and I learned that I was working wrong. So, I have three years in the delivery, my numbers are better but of course they are not perfect. For the reasons that are said in the video. 😢
Corporate Greed at its finest - they're already planning to replace drivers with robot taxi's like Waymo and Cruise.
Remember to factor in vehicle depreciation as well.
Don’t do it then . I’d you hate it. You choose to stay
@@chrisrsttExactly. They didn’t screw anyone over. Dude chose to partake and then says he got screwed over 😂
Uber driver since 2017 can confirm earnings per mile are down 30%-50% for drivers since they keep cutting in on our pay.
Uber and Lyft usually take 40-60% of most of my trips nowadays and they don’t give clear data on how much they charge and how much they pay, it’s a black box algorithm and they’re screwing everyone on both sides.
nothing else was their plan, destroy taxis and afterwards take as much as possible.
They get a percentage of your tip as well? Not just the fair?
@@NeuzahnsteinUber has a contract with yellow cab in NYC.. google that debacle 🤦♀️
Imagine making something, doing all the work to build it, sell it, and then have someone who only slapped a label on it with a brand name just takes the majority of the money. Welcome to late-stage capitalism, where you're just a slave with a few extra steps.
@@Phil198431 Tested this the other day with a client (Denver, CO Area) and Uber does not take anything out of my tips.
We need to get a class action lawsuit against Uber I used to work for them, and got ripped off
Hi Joe- you worked for the corporation or you were a driver?
Technically you didn’t work for Uber. You are self employed if you were the driver.
Lyft too!
You chose to do it. Nobody forced you to get “ripped” off.
@@Fedgery007Go sit down!
Uber does rob its driver here in Phoenix Arizona as well. We need to get together and fight for our rights.
When I first started driving Uber, we received 80%. The rates were good and I made a good living. Over the last 9 years, the rates have decreased and their take has increased percentage wise.
People are out of work, so more drivers...
@@mrbackyardmechanic3956and different CEO.
More drivers should not have an effect on rates.
@@markfarley671 More drivers to them mean drivers are expendable, they will keep racing to the bottom
@@markfarley671more drivers with the same amount of riders or fewer riders will always affect rates. Supply and demand dude
When you have salaries over 10M+ a year. The money needs to come from somewhere.
Salary
Uber - Dara Khosrowshahi - CEO - $24.28M a year
Uber - Tony West - Senior VP - $10.61M a year
Uber - Jill Hazelbaker - Senior VP Marketing - $8.24M a year
Lyft - Logan Green - $13.32M a year
Lyft - John Zimmerman - $13.94M a year
Seize the means of transportation.
Why so many millions just to do that job though
Thats robbery
The regular workers pay should make sense in comparison to those numbers
Yes this is why they have to steal from drivers and pax
Drivers are being exploited BIG TIME; measures must be taken to hold Uber and Lyft accountable.
God forbid they lower their income for the betterment of the people.
As a Lyft & Uber driver in the Ann Arbor/Detroit area, I can’t thank you all enough. I’ve been driving for both for 7 years and hoping for greater transparency. None of my riders know how little I get. It’s my full time job. Saying ‘no’ to a ride Does have its consequences. The companies would say that saying ‘yes’ has its rewards. The rewards suck in most cases.
I drive in the same area .. Romulus by airport and Ann Arbor … airport rides pay the best I try to catch the airport to Ann Arbor or from Ann Arbor to airport usually $25-$35 for those rides
is it worth it considering the wear and tear on your car? The engine must go over 300k miles a year? I'd be afraid of having to buy a new car each year.
@@WayneBraackno where near 300k more like 50-75k but no it is no longer worth it per the video
People, it is called competition. The more drivers join Uber the more competition among themselves and therefore the reduction in your pay, just like any other profession or job that has excess offers. Just get another job, nobody is pointing a gun at anybody to be an Uber driver
I have no sympathy for them. They can get better jobs than driving for these parasites, and that's ALL rideshare platforms..
Can u believe they sent me to Philadelphia from DC for only $100????
-Gas itself back & forth takes $100.
-then u return empty
- then the wear & tear of the car
- then the toll fees
-then the lunch/dinner
-By the time i return am already tired and the day is over, I’ll go home. What did I make that day?? Negative NOT ZERO. Big LOSS
-Even promotion rewards have gone down tremendously. I used to get $80 for 30 trips now it’s $15 on its way to $5 or below.
Conclusion
I think Uber takes us for granted. They perhaps think we can’t be employable anywhere else. Uber is a pest feeding on our blood & sweat and that’s not fair. We’ve our lives to live and families to raise like anyone else
ABSOLUTELY UNFAIR RIDE SHARE PRACTICES
Same here from SD to LA
@@johnmithika9887 Uber is a total scam. Slippery snakes
I never would have accepted a trip like that! I will usually talk to a rider and negotiate due to retuning empty. If they are willing to pay an agreed upon cash tip prior to starting the trip, I will consider accepting. If not, someone else can be the sucker, not me!
@@DavesHangar1958 smart
@@DavesHangar1958 Yes exactly
As an Uber driver I. Idaho, I used to easily make $100 a day but as our pay kept going down while Uber made more I tried to be more selective with the rides I accept. In doing this, my rating went down tremendously because if we don't take every crappy ride they send us, they lower our rating to the point we no longer get any rides at all. I can't drive for Lyft or Uber anymore because after fuel, maintenance, Insurance and cleaning costs are taken out, drivers are actually loosing money. They treat us like garbage because they know they can just add more drivers on while seasoned drivers catch on to the scam. Thank you for understanding and making this video.
Just make ur own app. And uber is pretty much how the chinese operate. You taking jobs from an automated system
I don’t think not accepting drops your rating
Absolutely. The question I have is, as an independent operated, why is uber upset when shitty rides are not taken? In turn they downgrade the driver? It's some psychological BS. It's illegal. I can understand if passengers accepted and cancel rides or pick up customers late. Hell, what does not accepting bad rides have to do with a drivers competency..... We need a national day of protest against UBER. Now they send you scheduled pick-up and you dont find out till you get there. Sometimes have to wait up till 15 minutes without compensation.
Not accepting a ride doesn't lower your rating. My acceptance rating is in the twenties with no issues. If you're talking about your driver ratings, then it is solely based on the ratings your riders gave you. You should read uber's terms and conditions.
Your accepting ratings do effect the quality of rides that you get mostly crappy low end rides with minimum hourly wages @@cemdursun
It’s perverse how companies such as Uber are profitting through lack of transparency and control
They often write legislation that is then pushed by local politicians that completely favors the tech corp gig job creator. I worked as a taxi driver from 1997 to 2012. The taxi system needed reform, but what we got instead was the destruction of that job and replacement with a worse form of the same thing. All work deserves a thriving wage, from shit shoveler to code engineer. Nobody should do work for subsistence wages, in any country. And it's all, in the end, to enrich a few selfish assholes. This doesn't further humanity or enrich us. And yet the tools are there to do exactly that.
@@Debilitator47 Amen
The sad part is the government does NOTHING. So unless you you join a union you will keep getting screw, I stopped taking trips to NY and NJ, trips that use to pay me $120 for 80+ miles now they want me to do them for $67 dollars, how in hell I'm suppose to drive 84 miles to NY where I can't do Uber and come back to my area another 84 miles for a total of 168 miles for 67 dollars.🤦
Profiting? Look at their financial statements, they've turned a profit exactly one time in their entire existence. Their retained earnings is negative $32 billion, meaning their accumulated losses exceed all profits by $32 billion.
Consistent losses like this are not sustainable. If Uber doesn't start taking even more money or find a new revenue stream, they will not be around in the future and the drivers will be getting 0% of $0 while commuters go back to paying much larger amounts to taxi cabs like they used to.
@@BlackMarketBaby are you a representative of Uber? Lol
Amazon has been doing the same thing for decades now.. doesn’t mean Jeff Bezos hasn’t profited wildly from it.
P.S. the market cap of uber is over 100B what’s your response to that? Noone profited from that?😂
We the people have the POWER…corporate GREED can be dismantled if we ALL come together and boycott and call them out!!!!😡🤷🏽♀️.
Issue is most will climb over all of their Co workers to get ahead even in a, “union”
@@IL_Bgentyl Speak for yourself, not everyone else.
@@IL_Bgentyltell that to the UAW silly
I mean people do have a choice. Unlike traditional employment/provider, user on both side are less held hostage to their business model. I've always kept taking actual taxi even after the proliferation of ride share.
You don't get to vote for them with your wallet and then complain about the consequence.
@@IL_Bgentyl that sort of behavior arises *because* working conditions are so bad, it's not necessarily our nature
Huge applause for everyone involved in these efforts. This is becoming criminal.
YAWN.......No onw forces people to drive for UBER and no one forces you to use UBER
@@MrBadjohn69 can you go be useless to society to somewhere else? Where do y’all crawl out of? I get you’re a non-factor and won’t be able to comprehend the impact Fortune 500 companies have on employment, economics, antitrust practices, and law/legislation - potential white collar crime as significant as this is a huge issue that companies get away with exploiting their workforce that need the labor and put the company on their backs - but why can’t people like you just go sit down since there’s no added value? If simple things like this go over your head - the most you can contribute is to not get in the way
It’s always been criminal.
We just live in a world where humans are simply too dumb and submissive to fight any systems that exploit them, instead they settle for it while crying that they’re being exploited. There are more followers in this world than leaders.
@@MrBadjohn69 Exactly, quit if it's so bad.
Come to norway, this is a normal monday
Just last week Lyft paid me $5.33 and charged the rider $13.03. I am keeping tabs on this, because this is out of control.
If you think that’s bad, try working for just about any other corporation. That CVS employee making $15 an hour while she’s moving thousands of dollars worth on merchandise? That Amazon driver making $15 an hour while moving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise? That Apple employee making $15 an hour while moving thousands of dollars worth of merchandise? Yea, it’s all the same. If anything, Uber pays out a very large percentage of their transactions to their employees compared to just about any other large corporation. This is just capitalism my friend. You don’t like it? Don’t partake. It’s that simple. There must be something good about it if you keep going back to do it.
Take away the fees that they charge the customers such as using the app, the booking free, the taxes, etc and if you take all that out all that's left is the fair and you would find out that what You are being paid is about 75% of what they are being charged. Comments like this is completely ignorant and further reflex that not only you but most drivers do not understand how the pay works. I am not supporting these companies but at the same 95% of you drivers are just downright ignorant as to how all this works
@@maj.jeffreys.grantcmas-psm9558 Facts 💯
@@michaelslifecycleI always say that people would make more money delivering pizzas for a major chain than you ever would doing gig work. Delivering in a tourist town, drivers would make a killing. 💸🤑
STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE !!!
Everyone must come together and sue Uber & Lyft
Why? You dont have to use it no one is forcing u
@@user-ff5nv8ft6nExactly. This victim mindset is so common these days. Blaming everything on a corporation when they are doing nothing wrong. You don’t like their services? Don’t partake. It’s that simple.
Sue them for what? For making a profit? Get out of here.
Sueing wouldnt really work. The best way to fix them would basically be either for someone to create a new platform orrrr everyone (riders & drivers) stop using them.
@@michaelslifecycle Actually it's not that simple. Yes they are complaining about the pay but Uber and Lyft are breaking the law because these drivers are employees not independent contractors. They are due vacation pay, unemployment insurance, and workers compensation insurance. I am a former payroll professional and human resources manager. The law states an independent contractor 1. Sets their own pay rate. 2. Decides how to do their job. 3. Does not have to accept pets (except servive animals by law) There are other things as well.
But Uber and Lyft have many other shady practices: Lyft will cancel a drivers ride while they are en route and give it to another driver! That's an example of many practices for which they should be sued. So this is about holding these big corps accountable to the law. If they paid according to law, the pay rate would not be an issue.
People like you make a difference for our drivers. Thanks
I had a driver ask me how much I was charged. Now I understand why.
The problem is. No matter how much we call out companies, the government has given these crooks in suits the legal ability to be as corrupt as necessary to make money. There will always be people who can afford the prices. Those people will not support the greater good. They will in turn say everyone else needs to catch up.
As long as our elected representatives accept campaign donations from lobbyists or PACS from these and most companies, it will be business as usual. In other words, the rich get richer and the working class get the picture!
Recently asked the same thing… wow!!
I've been taking Uber and lyft to work and home 5 days a week for 7 months. So 10 rides a week. Every time I asked a driver what percentage of the fare they get, every single time I got a different answer. And that's fckn crazy to me nobody really knows. I can ask every employee at my job what they make an hour, a day, a week, and a year....and every single one can give me a clear answer.
@@JoseLopez-tk4tq correct. However as a people the citizens elected those officials. Take this mess back to Regan-trickle down economics. The laws are written so all those pockets can get lined. The corporations run the government.
they usually take at least half..
This model of avoiding responsibilities by hiring contractors is already ubiquitous.
Using legalese nonsense to avoid labor laws is called capitalist innovation
It is all about robbing the small guy...Hey Amazon is doing it with Amazon Flex...It is all about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.
The same as fn Amazon delivery driver’s
how can a more perfect union be pushing this bs how can you call yourself a more perfect union justifying not paying people a living wage like taxi drivers
Absolutely. It's a grubby little scam a lot of industries are in on. Claim someone's an "independent contractor", sheet home all the operating costs onto them, all the while exercising a level of control over what they do that should make them an employee with all the applicable benefits. "Be your own boss!", they cry. "Flexible hours!", they bleat. It's all bullshit. They run you ragged while you have to work increasingly long hours just to break even, and if you complain... "Oh dear. It looks like we won't be renewing your contract. Sorry." And you better believe they'll fight tooth and nail to protect this exploitative model because it makes them phat stacks and costs them pennies.
Uber and Lyft have to be federally regulated...Needing a cab is a part of life , the two companies have a monopoly and together tomorrow could say a cab cost a million dollars and there's nothing you can do about it...
They are stealing from us.😢😢😢😢
We need an investigation about the matter! Uber is not gonna set itself straight just like that. This video is a start, we need more of these!
Yes, Agreed!!!
Heads up: the founder of Uber (who stole the whole concept from a small biz owner) has a brother who's in Congress! This is likely how they've gotten away with operating a taxi company while pretending to be an app 🧐! th-cam.com/users/shortsODoQBzd9Mos?si=QDaE8aoDdgumfOXp
STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE !!!
Another fascinating thing that I have noticed as a driver is that in more richer wealthier neighborhoods the prices are far cheaper than inner city prices. It seems like low income communities are being charged more for a ride than a person who lives near the beach or in a well to do bougie neighborhood
Not to mention race
Not true, they just tip better
@@ambidex5383 they don't tip better!!!
That's why some trips I refuse because if the distance or trip isn't worth it to me I ignore it!! That's why I'm no longer a full time rideshare driver..I have met customers who are my personal customers and they pay very well so I'm gained more!
There are a couple reasons for that. The biggest one being demand. Low income areas have much higher demand due to more people overall, and less people with a car. The other big factor is safety. Especially at night, drivers do not want to drive in areas considered dangerous, so lyft/uber create a surge bonus in those areas to entice drivers there. Of course the riders are paying for that.
I believe it’s even worse with the food delivery side of these businesses. Customers are charged more for menu items through their apps,they are charged a service fee, a delivery fee and still have to tip for that trip to make sense for any driver to take it.
Yep
Facts. They. Take ten dollars in fees and give the driver 2 of that lol taking 80% of the fees lol
It is
Meh..... doing both. I notice customers tip at least double the amount for their food compared to personal delivery. The lack of extra person in the car is completely different for insurance. Oh and the lack of conversation with the food is added security... people talk about some odd stuff. Omg and don't get me started on how people scratch up my car with their luggage or throwing up if their drunk!
Worst is coming with self driving cars. Uber/Lyft will get 100%
Automated cars will kill off Uber and Lyft though because people won't need them anymore either. DUIs won't be enforcable if you have an automated car. Also smaller businesses will pop up with automated taxis that are more reasonably priced.
@@rs72098 No I think car ownership will be a thing of past. Car companies like Tesla, Ford, etc will either create a subscription model for themselves or lease to companies like Uber, Lyft so they are in control.
will NEVER happen!!!really-self driving LOL you made a funny
I am a Washington DC Uber driver for the seven1/2 years. And I definitely would like to stay in contact with your organization on putting forth legislation on and Uber/ Lyft giving drivers their do share of profits. I desperately would like to hear more about your progress. Thank for getting behind us on this important matter.
If you been with them for seven years then they can’t be that bad. Success in ride share is all about were and when.
@jbochan57 You guys take 70% the drivers get 30%, did you call that success?
do you want congress to make a law how much mcdonalds charges for a big mac too? if you dont like the price then stop being a customer.
@@SgtJoeSmith What do do for a living troll people online? Issues like this has effect and ruin people’s lives for decades. And people like you who do nothing and say nothing don’t realize your day will come.Your not welcome to reply
@josephhunterel9545 I give people 6 figure jobs. Problem is I can't fill any of the 100,000 jobs globally I have for last 20 years cause everyone is too lazy and stupid and just want to be a nick her doing nick her jobs like this. So saying I do nothing to help is the biggest lie ever told. I spent and lost millions trying to help and wasted 20 years of my life.
My state, New Jersey needs to start taking this case in consideration. Someone needs to bring this matter to governor's attention.
I do fine in nj made 300 plus today using both apps
How many miles did you drive and what is your car insurance and gas price
Many Uber drivers in nj don't go to New York.
Stockholders are all that ever matters to companies like this. They could care less about the people who actually built the business and keep it running.
Exactly
couldn't.
But yes.
Both Uber and Lyft doesn't pay dividends on their shares... think about it
@@amzagiovannithey haven’t turned a profit until 2023 so unlikely any dividends would be paid while losing money every year but there are a ton of companies who don’t pay dividends.
This is what it all comes down to. A company cannot take a “minor” loss in profits in an investor driven market. Because any loss means investors will drop, leading to inevitably greater loss. It’s the myth of “perpetual growth” that keeps driving inflation up year after year
I stopped driving rideshare at the beginning of the pandemic in 2020. By that time, after figuring in tax deductions, I was LOSING money on every ride I gave. This is the crap that rideshare companies did to the drivers:
1. If there was a big event in my city (and there are a LOT) the rideshare companies would recruit via email other drivers in other cities and states to drive in my area and give them bonuses. They gave local drivers nothing.
2. If we were in another state and we wanted to do rides there, we were not allowed.
3. With Lyft, if you wanted to be "prioritized" to accept rides, you had to give them 10% of the fare in return.
4. Both companies routinely cut rates for time and distance in an email and you couldnt do anything about it.
5. If you had a passenger damage your car, it was hard as hell to get compensation and if you did, the amount was reduced over the years.
There are others, but everyone should get the point. And for those of you that say, "Get another job or Thats too bad", there are MANY drivers who are elderly, disabled, etc., who could NEVER find work in a traditional workplace. The rideshare companies are MULTI-BILLION $$ corporations who dont care.
i'm a Uber driver going on 8yrs part time now and yes i've notice from last year to todays date that Uber has been getting over with not paying the drivers like it was back when i first started driving for them! man we could make great money at that time! not no more with corporate greed! thanks for this video i'm glad people are paying close attention to this situation and are doing something about it!
Why are you still driving?
need the money@@tboneups
8 years part time here as well, and yes, I miss the days of old. Used to be easy to make more than what it cost to operate. Tough to do now, and if it weren't for tips, I don't think I could make it happen.
@@davidwalker6438 agreed 👍 stay strong bro
Former Driver here too.. thank you for speaking up. We have to stop these corporations! They take wayyyy too much!
Door dash is the worst, too. It's a crime...
serious question - why log in to an app if you don't want to do it? Was someone making you do that? Or did you choose it yourself?
The stick in bike wheel meme comes to mind on this one
Former driver too. Sometimes I would get ride requests that seemed way too far for way too little and I would reject it. Then the same request would come thru a minute later with a little extra added. Uber could absolutely pay a fair wage but they are more interested in their stock price skyrocketing 100% in the past year then the well being of the employees who make their company money.
True
@@truth.speaker I quit DD after 1 months. If u want to hear why, we have to do this 1:1.
Why Lyft. I have a healthcare Master degree from Europe which doesn't get accepted in the States. I use Lyft to make some income to b able to live and get to know the area better:) but driving 11 Mi for $6 and ur costumer pays $21? Feels out of control. They apologize that they won't tip, because Lyft charged already a ridiculous amount... Understandable
Thank you for reporting on this. It's absolutely maddening as a driver and keeps getting worse. Driving full time after expenses I made $20,000 last year and then owed $4,000 in taxes out of that. Not to mention 2 totaled cars from getting hit. I'd really like them to have to show you guys, the passengers, how much the driver is getting out of what they pay.
The reporter is really cute.
there is no way you made 20k from uber/lyft alone and owed 4k in taxes, you must have had other income
@@tomodiero7524 *After expenses. I'm sure a full-time ride share driver puts a lot of wear on their vehicle and needs a reliable unlimited mobile data plan...needs vehicle and health insurance.
This abuse by Uber has been going on for years. I drove for Uber and Lyft during their early years when they paid the drivers well. Once I saw the sneaky changes and decrease in pay I stopped. It's dead end work, just use it as a stepping stone to move on to better things. You'll make more money with less risk elsewhere. It's the easy money, fast pay, flexibility, and not having a boss that hooks drivers in.
its not even that easy of money b/c you can sit for 3 hours without getting a ride so they completely rob you by tracking you and selling your data.
I've worked rideshare for 5 years and over the years I've noticed the reduction in pay. My daily take went from bringing in between 300 and a little over 400 dollars a day to barely bringing in 200 dollars a day for the same amount of hours per day.
Time to get a job that doesn’t cost you gas money all day long.
Why would you sign up for such a job when you can work at a restaurant and not have to spend gas the entire day
@@andy_182I think your competing apples to oranges here when you compare Uber and a restaurant.
@@MOMO-m0m0 if you work for uber, you shouldnt be complaining when they screw you over. theres a million other jobs that are easy to get and make more $
Most ppl make 150-180 a day
@@andy_182 yeah start working at a restaurant and they make me dishwasher? no thank you. I get what you're saying and i agree, but when a restaurant manager sees your resume has rideshare on it at all, you're getting the mop. It would be better to find work in the transportation field, like a bus driver or amazon delivery, those jobs don't cost gas.
Add to that Uber is straight up stealing tips or including them in the upfront fare drivers are offered. That is a violation of the FLSA (Fair Labor and Standards Act). Tips are supposed to be in addition to what the driver is paid. Uber is not supposed to keep them in any way. For example…I got an upfront fare of $23 the other day for 27mi to the airport. I accepted because airport trips usually get tips in nicer areas. When I dropped the passenger off it said “you’ve received $17 from the trip” and then 2 mins later “congrats you received a $6 tip.”
Acceptance rate is hard to keep high because of a couple of things. They send you offers where the pickup is 18mi away and the destination is another 15mi and their offer is $11-$13. Or a ride is 10mi away and a 5mi trip and offer you $6. We don’t get paid for the mileage going to pick up the passenger and the mileage is not tax deductible. And they send you the same offer you declined sometimes 3-4 times
We are tasked with vetting whether the driver is of age because Uber doesn’t ask for background checks from the rider which leads us to a confrontation of an angry teen and their parent because they are dependent on us to get their child to school on time and that is not our fault.
We are also tasked with picking up and assisting disabled and older people from doctors appointments (which often includes loading a wheelchair/walker/ other devices) at a very low rate. I’m wondering if maybe some of our politicians receive donations from these companies because I have yet to see any stick up for us drivers
You need to pay attention to the accounting as they are not messing with you tips.
I verify all my upfront fares. The tip always comes in on top of the quoted upfront fare...ever single time for 10,500 trips.
To prove my point, I've had about 20 rides that tipped before I ended the ride. In all cases, I got the upfront fair AND 100% of tips.
I'm not defending Uber because the are crooks. I'm just stating I have massive data showing ZERO tip skimming.
They have stolen my tips many times and the shop and pay orders are always me spending my own funds and having them reimburse me because their Uber card is always declined. I call support and they are scripted and not helpful.
@@lepouchepillows5055 Uber support is an AI chatbot
@@Jimboit2 Well, I have evidence that shows otherwise and other drivers here locally in Dallas that say the same thing. I’ll take my last tip of the day just to show it happens all the time. I was tipped $3. Uber deposited $2.85. This is done on every single tip. It’s called “tip shaving.” Doesn’t seem like much but it adds up. The “it doesn’t happen to me so it can’t be happening to you” defense doesn’t work. But hey, I’m sure Uber is proud that you’ve tried your best to come to their defense.
@DesignsByDannyB well, good luck driving for a company you say is stealing from you right under your nose. Doesn't sound like you really care so happy driving!!!
These companies want you to be an independent contractor, but if you refuse to take certain trips, or in my case, when I do Doordash, you refuse to pick up certain deliveries, you get a poor rating! That is not independent contractor, that is slavery, exploitation, and should be illegal!
In fact the whole acceptance rate and cancelation rate should not even exist period, I am a private contractor I reject what I want and cancel what I want and Uber should not hold any metric on that, in fact when I have complain about crappy fares like yesterday $8 dollars for 8 mile trip that I took where they charge the PASSANGER $18, their excuse is that I accepted the trip that I could decline it and that they pay me what we agree on.
What we need is up front fare state wise that shows how much the PASSANGER is paying and how much we get vs Uber.
In my area in India, the drivers do this, they refuse to turn on AC, very badly maintained cars, they don’t come to the exact pickup point, and they want all cash. It’s very annoying for customers. Instead of standing up to Uber, they go about harassing customers. Due to this, I have now opted to use public transports or local taxi services more often. It’s a very bad business model of Ubers.
You right! Doordash even block me because I never accepte those $3 delivery.
Exactly
DoorDash was forced to stop the practice of cutting access to the app if a driver fell below a certain acceptance rate. Now they use the same acceptance rate to penalize drivers by saying if you don’t keep your AR above 70%, you’ll only get trash orders and less offers 🎉
I have done some math and for a Toyota Camry in San Francisco Bay area cost Uber/Lyft Drivers 41 cents each mile they drive including drive to pickup.
Cost Cost Per Mile Calculated
Cost of Veahicle $34,000.00 $0.14 Life of 300000 miles
Oil Change $60.00 $0.02 Life of 3000 miles
Tires $400.00 $0.01 Life of 50000 miles
Gas $4.10 $0.14 Average milage 30MPG
Break & Fix $5,000.00 $0.02 Average Life time
Insurance $150.00 $0.00
Registration $350.00 $0.00
Unpaid Driving 25% $0.08
Total $0.41
I drove for Uber Eats, and my car was totaled on Sept 2nd, 2023, about 10 minutes, if even, after dropping off my last order, and while still on the app, still signed on to the same shift, no break taken, never signed off, and they only covered the other driver's car, not mine. That's really messed up. I won't work for delivery apps anymore. The damage the cars take.... not worth it!
None of them cover your car. This is peak exploitation, the driver takes all of the risk, and the company gets all of the reward.
Actually, I wish I could find a way to pay cash to the drivers without Uber finding out.
The app could tell when I got in an accident by doing the same thing and the app said we can help so I filled out their little form and then they deactivated me and didn't pay me anything
@@dustinduzgames1276😮
you have no idea what you are talking about. UBER provides COMMERCIAL INSURANCE for every driver if they want to purchase it. it costs me about 10 cents for each ride. it would cost me $2,000/month if I went out and bought my own policy. so, stfu when you are ignorant of what you are talking about. if the moron is out driving around engaging in a commercial activity without commercial insurance then he is a fool and deserves to have a crunched up car and now he is walking@@nwatson2773
I am a Denver/Boulder Uber driver who quickly figured out.... only do short trips (in general). I stack up $5 short trips. I only do a long trip if it's a Confort ride or somehow it's paying okay. I NEVER leave town if it's surging. I spend a lot of time rejecting airport trips. I am not taking someone on an hour long journey for $30 ($20 after gas, plus a possible ride back to Boulder with no rider.) So, I accept very little trips, work every single day, and barely scrape by. But I'm not going to destroy my 2023 Rav 4 for 60 cents a mile. I'll seek other work if need be, or work nights (awful but better money).
The way I see it, the only way out of this is for all drivers to drive smart. A $93 trip that takes you 5 hours is dumb. If every driver refuses to do trips that pay peanuts, there will be public outrage that they can't get a ride anymore. I've noticed all the local taxis seem to be glorified rideshare. They seem to be using their own cars. Maybe I'll go back to taxi driving but I doubt it. Uber has all the business now and that's why we're seeing what we're seeing. Uber and Lyft feel they can do whatever the hell they please. Right now, they can. Drivers need to refuse most trips. A strike isn't going to work, too many scabs (I can't blame them; they're trapped financially). It's actually a very cool job that simply doesn't pay its drivers well and really over-charges the riders. If the pay disparity can be fixed, everyone will be better off. They are basically creating an indentured servant class.
Dude, I've been driving for 4 months now and I'm doing the same thing that you're doing, only focus on the short rides.
I drive a Tesla Model Y in San Francisco full time (as supplemental income), I charge the car at home and spend less than 4 dollars a day,I don't go to the superchargers because I don't need to drive that much, 80% of the battery is enough for me to drive 9 hours in the city of San Francisco.
I mostly only drive short trips now in the city because most short trips actually pay way better than long trips per mile. San Francisco is a fairly small city, and SFO is only 25 mins away from downtown SF, the airport trip is the only long trip I do now, because I know after I drop someone off at SFO, I'm going to have another ride right away going back to SF, so I can make $50 or more in less than an hour. I would reject any long trip other than airport trips.
The most important thing to keep in mind is the money we make per mile and whether or not you will get another ride immediately after one ride is finished. Driving in SF and mostly focus on short trips satisfy both conditions. Plus the two times or more airport round trips, I can average a little over $30 per hour and make $280 in less than 9 hours with only 4 dollars spent on home charging.
No car beats Tesla in terms of cost on fuel/gas if you home charge your vehicle.
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That’s me short trips
They've already created it.
True, I dont know who is taking the cgeapest ride and why. We need union.
I've been a driver for five years. I've seen my share of the fare decrease from 1/2 to what it is now, 1/8 of the total. Tips are the only thing keeping me afloat. If even one factor worsens for me, I'm done. I love taking riders, meeting new people, the diversity of the walks of life I pick up, and the compelling conversations I have with them. I don't want to have to walk away from the only job I've actually excelled at.......but.....like everything else I once liked in or about this country of mine.....it looks like I'll lose this as well......I'm just getting really tired of having things taken away from me.At nearly 50 years old, Ive grown so accustomed to it, I can't even really find it within myself to be angry anymore.
I'm just.....beaten..
@@user-vq1ne6es5mConcord!
@@user-vq1ne6es5m Do you know how much a taxi license costs in a major city like mine? It's not possible. Basically, the gig economy route to viable self employment is a red herring. Either a constructed lie, or a mirage........
Texas uber driver here with over 4,400 rides, when people ask me if i like this job, i tell them its the worst job I've ever had. But it allows me to take my kids to practices and more importantly allows me to never miss games or any other event I dont want to miss. That's the only reason for doing this job
Thank you for exposing this issue. I’m a driver and they take at least 60% of the fare. These greedy companies overcharge the riders and underpay the drivers. And they think It’s okay to do it until somebody do something to change it.
So drivers only get 40% of the fare from an Uber/Lyft ride back? That is sad, and lower than I thought it'd be.
Same here I drive in new york (not the city) and they generally take 60-70% on average.
I always ask the drivers and most often than not they get less than 40% of what I pay. I paid $38 for my last ride in Denver and the driver told me he got only $12 after the trip and he showed me his phone. I felt bad for the dude who drives to pay for his college. I gave him a $10 note afterwards. Its so bad.
Thank you. Drivers who have been fighting this and struggling are silenced by corporations and their lobbying efforts and shady partnerships and deals. We need more public awareness and support.
Public awareness can only do so much.
These corporations of America have a vice grip on everything with their lobbyists, and their shady deals and partnerships.
It's time to take down corporate America and their lobbyists. We can't depend on politicians from the Republican Party or Democratic Party both parties are damn near owned by corporations due to huge donations to their campaigns
Drivers aren’t “fighting” this. There’s thousands of drivers going back out on the road everyday and more and more are signing up for the job. No one is going on a strike. No one is changing any laws. They obviously pay enough to keep the drivers coming back so that’s all that matters. A couple people complaining online isn’t fighting. On top of that, it’s not unfair what they’re doing. Any driver has the freedom to stop driving if they choose, but guess what, they don’t. Probably because they are being payed enough to keep them as an employee.
@@michaelslifecycleIt’s extremely illogical and unreasonable what their doing. They are using the economic collapse to their advantage. That is a form of oppression and extortion to the drivers and customers. That maintenance mileage and wear and tear on the vehicle they don’t consider. Soon all will submit to equity or they will never see life again. There is a great King that sits high and is getting ready to cripple and summon all Nations. These sharks don’t have much more time to swim. As the Kingdom of heaven is nigh.
@@michaelslifecycle you've clearly never looked into this at all, lol. there are many organizations led by drivers, including CDU (ct drivers united), for example. I gave a testimony along with many others to our state legislature and we had a bill passed. it's a slow struggle with a lot of pushback but it's really sad that because of that, folks such as yourself remain ignorant (not your "fault", just that you don't know bc of lobbying, & other cover-ups, distractions etc) to what's happening.
furthermore, we're in a digital age and as these are digital platforms, online testimony and speaking out in this way *does* matter and make a huge impact.
I'm a Lyft driver and what i noticed last week they want to pay me $21 dolar when the Rider payed $73 dollars to lift
Thats tells me they r keeping around 65% of the total amount
My question is where can i complain about it
Pre-Pay Tips can be considered as a VIP priority trip request. Drivers love to see how much tips they can get before they accept the trip. Because all drivers get too low pay by Uber. That's why they desired Pre-Pay Tips.
Sad sad sad! Gas, maintenance, tires insurance and driver fatigue makes no sense. With no sick pay and time off with pay makes it hard to fathom. Thanks for sharing this story. 🙏🏽
That driver fatigue aint no joke...I have IBS...so its double...truck drivers do drugs to drive so much.
All of this also applies to Walmart Spark. Started off paying really well and now the pay is in the toilet basically. But when gig work is your only source of income while looking for other work, what do you do? People say things like “it’s supposed to be a side hustle to make a few extra bucks.” As if that makes them ripping you off any better lol. You’re putting miles on your own car, paying for gas, maintenance, registration, ect. Just to turn around and have to pay taxes at the end of the year.
A few years ago, I did the math to see how much it would cost me to get one 10 mile trip (20 miles in total, because I"d ride both ways) per week. It came out to about the same amount as maintaining a car I own, including insurance, parking, tune ups, gas, etc.. I came to the conclusion that I might as well keep my own car, since then I can come and go without calling and waiting for a ride, or wondering whether or not the stranger in the car is going to attack me with a hammer. Anyway, since then ride share and rental costs have only skyrocketed. It may well be cheaper now to keep a car than to ride share.
Exactly
Working mostly weekend nights, most of my passengers are from out of town, or have been drinking.
Car rental prices are through the roof, and you don't want to have people driving under the influence.
Taxis were open for the taking because they are extremely unreliable, many drivers have a poor driving record, and they charge 3x what uber does.
its more dangerous for the driver on a scale, numbers wise, passengers just think thats the way it is because of a false stigmatism on drivers and the passenger mentality, its all psychological, and actually when its not surging the rides are priced way to cheap, to trick passengers into thinking this is good at the expense of the driver, theres no way of knowing if the passenger is sitting back there knowing there getting a free ride or doesnt know time and distance, hmmmm this ride cost me 5 bucks to go 2 miles, how it the hell is the driver getting more than 5 of not less, hmmm maybe the company is paying them more....ummmm no that would mean they are burning there own money to get u a free ride as an incentive to pay more than what u paid, which appens sometimes, but most of the time the driver gets 3 maybe 2.25 of the 5, and that for any distance ratio....its all in my comment above
thats because uber charges to cheap, its all in y comment above, over time you passengers feel entitled to cheap prices when its not surging but ur costing the driver money when theres not enough if a tip read above@@rubenleal4821
btw its so annoying that lots of passengers make jokes infront of there drivers about being kidnapped raped etc, it happens to lots of drivers, there could be 2 groups of ppl in a car, and 2 stops, the driver is talking to everyone like a human being and the first group gets out and says, omg be careful, we hope it ends well, we dont know this guy etc....or they can say it in many more rude ways....but then group 2 goes, its ok i dont think ill die or get taken into the woods....its like they want us to hear them say that to make them feel at ease and or just knwing they can or think they can get away with it when u can be kicked out of the car at that moment and feel stupid for making the joke
Thanks for your video. We definitely don't get paid enough, but with Uber, using my monthly statement , I make almost exactly 70% of what Uber is paid.
The way for drivers to strike is by asking the rider what they're being charged, then have them cancel the ride and then charge them less directly. Rider pays less, drivers make more, and the companies get screwed.
Great ldea
yes, but what comes with that is the lack of security. Customers use Uber because of the safety factor.. this is the USP advantage Uber promotes i.e. tracking of the rides and cutting out any issues relating to money owed.
Breach of contract. Steal ubers customers while under contract, and now you owe for damages. Terrible suggestion.
@@michaelmajek5190no they don't. People been using oj and Gipsy cabs for years😂😂😂that's to keep the population in fear of other resources
@@509McGavin Is it a breach of contract if the customer does it themselves?
Few weeks ago, I had a Lyft passenger who shared me how much he paid for his ride.
The amount he paid for 21 miles was $84, the amount I was paid by Lyft was $20.
When I told him this, he was so shocked and gave me a$9 tip.
I know how these companies rip drivers ruthlessly.
I am asking that question from every passenger I get and I'm actually getting them to do cash deals with me if they need a ride in the future. They'll save money and I'll make more money.
You are an accomplice.
Terrible
Uber is paying me 17 dollars hourly for delivering groceries I am being robbed by Uber Nuts right and don't show your tip money before you take the delivery Nuts
they gave you the customer. figure orutp what you are dooing and do it better. it's freedom you want to complain to your boss go work at McDonald's. I simply call my Filipinos in uber Dimond support and they usually cheer me up if I get any crummy riders. like fat people who can't wash under there folds of stlkin .
With zero expenses for a car Uber manages to steal millions of dollars from customers and drivers.
There is a commercial insurance policy paid on for everytime plus all the data/ software expenses. Don't think that's cheap for Uber. That's why a fair price for a ride is the taxi rate. No way around it.
@@djlemoncello6064you actually have to pay that yourself.
@@djlemoncello6064Really??? That policy is a JOKE! They don’t pay out on claims very often and WHEN THEY DO!!! The driver pays a $2500 deductible…. Lololoolllll! Stop it..
It's still not a expense free business. And yes the customer in the end pays for the ride which should be valued at the price of a cab when you sit down and do the math. And that commercial policy is what your elected officials have set up as a legal requirement. I don't defend Uber, I use to drive to the platform and still take rides. Still a better deal than a DUI.
@@djlemoncello6064 bottom line is this…. That “trickle down” effect shit don’t work. Any business has operating expenses… paying a CEO MILLIONS of dollars is not necessarily an expense that is worth the cost. If the people at the top of the company STOP being greedy and take cuts from their own wages like the folks on the bottom have to, maybe, just MAYBE the playing field would be a little more level
Thanks a million for raising your voice for heavily exploited Uber and Lyft drivers.
It's about time people like yourself are looking into this. As a part-time driver here in Florida where I feel we aren't appreciated at all. I ask riders how much they so I can compare it to my earnings and I have seen myself only getting about 40-50% of the ride when the contract says 70-30% it's not fair and uber should be held accountable. Thank you for what you doing and putting them on the spot. Lmk if I can help
What contract are you referring to?
We DO get 70%...of the Time and Mileage charges ONLY...we DO get the Surge your map shows you and, we do get the entirety of the Tip...but THEY charge the Rider whatever they want...PERIOD! That's why you see (The Ride Share Professor) Lyft charging a Rider 192.00 for an airport trip and the Driver is getting 54.00
Thank you very much for this advocacy. As Uber and Lyft driver; I am crying in these days. It is terrible how these companies are greedy.
So like, stop working for them lmao.
Had a friend do Uber eats on the side and they hardly made $10 per delivery. Some were low as $5 for 20+ minutes drive and one order was $80 and only received $9 out of it. Not only does uber rips off the drivers, they also rip off the customers with those ridiculous high "service" fees
I've been receiving $4 deliveries upwards of 13 miles all day, haven't taken a single one. It says "25 minutes" but not only is that 13 miles one way, making 80% of that $4 for gas, but its to a restaurant notorious for 20+ minute waits.
On top of it, the driver has to pay for wear and tear, insurance, fuel... I tried Lyft for 3 months. 3 tire punctures later and one way 90 mile trips into the late hours of night with zero paid rides back home... TOTAL RIPOFF of drivers.
One man wanted a ride from Disney area to Palm Beach. Roughly 500 miles round trip. I said no, drove off, then turned around, went back, and offered to do it for $200 cash. He accepted. That still cost me far more than it was worth. Silly.
The way they emotionally manipulate drivers is the old, "You own your own business with all of the freedom to work whenever you want and be whoever you want to be with all the money you make."
Right, at $0.56 a mile in Orlando at that time. The best was Daytona at $0.91 a mile with the occasional busy bonus if you so happen to be in that perfect area at that time.
I also got threatened and cursed at probably once a week. No thanks.
I recently stopped driving for Uber. I completed nearly 5K rides and within that time, the opportunity to make money decreased significantly. When I began, Uber would offer between, say, an extra $100-$200 for X amount of rides (say 50+ rides in a three day period), now they offer like $30 for 80 additional rides! Pure wickedness. Also, I had began to rent a Telsa through Uber/Hertz to drive with the mentality of keeping miles on my car low, but with that you're paying like $600+ a week just to rent the Tesla. For that price you can BUY two Tesla's. Unfortunately, being a Uber/Lyft driver is NO LONGER WORTH IT.
I drive for Uber/Lyft in Cincinnati and I am very thankful for what you are doing. I think when Uber gives us 45% of the fare, it’s them being generous. I had a passenger that I picked up at CVG that paid $82 but I was getting only 32$ ish for that trip.
Like James Stephanie Sterling said multiple times, companies do not want to make _some_ money; they want to make _ALL_ of the money.
I live in Ontario,Canada and now they started showing the earning price of each ride. This will give you a choice to decide which ride you’ll take it.
WE UBER DRIVER NEED TO FIGHT BACK TOGETHER
Why don’t you get a different job?
@@The_North0 actually I did thanks for concern
@@The_North0why you willing to pay more as a customer😂😂😂 if they can solve this issue the price will come down because right now uber take 50% if there is a regulation that force them to take only 25% uber will definitely not paying more to driver, they will lower the price! 😂 but that will benefit driver too as the price come down, more customer will take more uber than other public transportation
You make 130k,per year 50/50 shame on you Uber and Lyft
Unionize
I’ve been driving rideshare in Chicago since July of 2016. The transparency suggested by Rep. Vigil is simply returning to the way it all used to work. Transparency was always there - until both Uber and Lyft took it away. Right now, my acceptance rate with Uber is 11.5% and my acceptance rate with Lyft is 11% as well. The upfront fares offered for most rides are absurdly low, all while passengers are being charged higher fares.
Beyond that, there is no consistency with regard to how fares are structured. Instead, both platforms utilize their massive data sets to charge one passenger X dollars for a ride from point A to point B, while charging a different passenger Y dollars for that same ride from point A to point B. It’s the equivalent of two people walking into Target or Walmart and being charged different prices for a gallon of milk and a dozen eggs, based upon their known buying habits.
On the driver side, the same thing is happening - two different drivers are paid different fares for that same UberX ride from point A to point B. It is completely unethical and if it isn’t already illegal (apparently, it is not!), it should be. Regulation is absolutely necessary for the ridehare industry, on a nationwide scale.
Oh trust me, it is illegal! However, until a commission, or whoever agency or organization oversees this type of business, decides to investigate and probably come to the conclusion that yes what they’re doing is illegal and fine these companies some millions, rideshare companies would have made billions! You see what I’m saying? The profit overwhelmingly outweighs the cost, therefore they’re doing it. They need to go to prison, not fined! That’s the only way these businesses, and other similar ones, would change their business models.
A point that isn't highlighted very well but is huge: these companies are taking advantage of drivers perception of the pay. If Uber was supplying the car, the pay would be fair, but they don't. So what ends up happening to most drivers is that they basically trade the equity they have in their car for the pay. Maybe you made $40k in a year, but if they devalued their car by by $15k ? It does not make sense. Some of the drivers are not educated enough to realize this until their car is falling apart.
Did you not watch the video? These drivers are "educated" enough to know that.
@@ctll626 I'm not specifically talking about people in the video. I'm sure most people are noticing a lot more vehicles with bumpers taped on. My point is that these companies are taking advantage of this dynamic. There is no regulation preventing them from abusing drivers. Documenting in order to hold them accountable would be difficult and costly. Hopefully our comments help people
The problem is once people became dependent on gig apps for income they knew they could treat them shitty
@@AdventuresnTyland yup, Why are 1099 jobs allowed? I think it's just a way for corporations to save the cost of benefits while paying low. The workers end up taken advantage of.
I don’t no what you call educated but it’s self explanatory wear a tear brakes doors starter fuel miles etc…….
Also, not to leave out Surge pricing and Quest bonuses. These are strictly deterrants brought on by Uber/Lyft to avoid paying drivers a flat reasonable fee. Basically an intentional strategical tactic to keep you from questioning them to begin with. On top of that, uber/lyft have no problem throwing rides to pickup in another zipcode (which driver is not compensated for extra time and fuel). The more drivers accept these consuming rides, the more Rideshare will not be willing to change their position.
You should do a similar study on the load boards used by Tractor Trailer drivers. The loads are placed by brokers who do not disclose how much they are being paid by the customer. So many tractor trailer independent operators grabbing rates that in the end only lead to them going out of business in a year or two. Brokers should be required to disclose to all contractors what they are paid across all industries .
Lack of transparency is a disaster for workers whether they drive for Uber or operate their own rigs. The founders of Uber probably copied techniques used by trucking brokers. The only hope for the drivers is for the government to step in and regulate these corrupt companies.
100% correct on this suggestion for investigation 👏
All drivers must come together and put this rideshare corporations accountable for their actions. As a 7 year lyft and uber driver veteran here in San Diego CA, I have seen a lot of these bad upront fares and i feel being robbed.
To be fair we need to examine UBER and LYFT expenses. But I have a suspicion there are dozens or more executives making multi million dollar salaries and bonuses. Also they need to pay investors who have nothing to do with running the business.
This need to be regulated nation wide. Drivers can bearly make ends meet uber try to pay Drivers $2 for 16 miles sometimes while hiding the cost the customer pay. The customer is mad because they may have paid $40, the Driver is mad because they got $2, while uber and lyft are laughing their way to the bank with $38. Ride charges need to be regulated and transparent.
The LAST thing America needs is MORE regulation. You are a free person, just quit driving and get a different job!
Haven't picked up a passenger in 4 years. I still have to speak out against injustice. Who say u have to work for someone else to make money?
I’m glad to see Stephanie Vigil getting a chance to articulate her stance on a reputable channel with a larger outreach. I’ve seen her on some of the smaller gig tube channels, where in my opinion, her position was marginalized. Her position is fact driven and pragmatic.
Ive had several riders exchange info with me because they would rather pay me directly for rides, rather than pay Uber. This is very enlightening as a returning driver!
How is that possible? Doesn't Uber take your cc info when booking?
@@SC-gp7kt They do private business outside of uber.
@@SC-gp7kt Could probably just take cash.
Every driver I've ever had lived far away.
I had one that I picked up. She says I can’t believe how expensive it is to take an Uber. So I asked her what are they charging her for the ride? She stated $60 after the ride I showed her I got 36. Dollars. She was shocked by how much Uber takes.and I explained to her that’s why Uber is showing a profit at the moment or attempting to get investors to believe it’s a profitable company. She basically said that’s not sustainable. And I agreed.
Thank you for making this video.
I’ve been working UBER & LYFT for 7 years.
I’m making less every year because UBER & LYFT are taking a higher percentage
Thank you for taking the time to make this to educate riders/public. Uber cut and cuts pay rates every now then again while painting a picture that drivers are making $300 per day. As a longtime driver, to make $300 per day I would have to drive for 16 hours and around 500 miles per day. Now they have hidden surge value, or $ amount on top of a trip with a surge. There’s no accountability and ramifications for Uber/Lyft horrendous treatment towards its drivers. They forget, without drivers these companies will crumble.
Was at DIA in July, and ordered a Lyft. Excellent driver, friendly, fun to chat with, he even helped us (4) with bags. We definitely tipped him more. We were trying to make up for the fact, that it almost seemed like robbery the amount he was getting for the ride, included more than one passenger. I wish I could’ve given him more. To all the drivers, you are appreciated.
Gas time wear n tear to our cars plus try getting yellow cab they will charge you double or triple you select uber or Lyft you get comfort you get quality & efficiency.
People seriously need to start tipping more can't stand
NO Tippers & Low Tippers.
Thank you very much for doing this video. I have been driving for both Uber and Lyft over 8 years and now make a 1/4 of what I made 2 years ago doing the same rides and hours. These companies are as corrupt and greedy as they come. I am convinced they steal tips as well.
Uber definitely steals tips. I don't think lyft does, but both companies are screwing us drivers over bigtime compared to how it was prior to Summer '22
As a rideshare driver I 100% agree with everything you said! Uber and Lyft ripping of drivers and riders. Couple of day ago I deleted Lyft account. I’m looking for other ways to make money now, because it’s not worth it. Thank you for doing your work and hopefully soon legislation will pass and drivers will be paid fair money. 🙌
It’s not worth it but let me ask did you want to be employed 9-5 type job with set pay and set hours? This is my concern with regulation. Why can’t people just refuse the offers find something better, so that we don’t lose the opportunities for independent gig work? I only know a few people that want this on a set schedule and dozens who absolutely need flexibility
Start your own service with one car and yourself. There are elderly people that need to go to the doctor's office and grocery shopping, and other places. Work out the cost and what and how it would be profitable to you. Place flyers in the churches , restaurants , different places
@@leilanigreenwood5064 traditional way is outdated due to technology or app based but I do see your point. There maybe a small chance left for that niche for elderly,who knows
You mean the same legislation that can easily be swayed and bribed in favor of those in power, with unlimited wealth and resources? You talking about that one?
@@CCAnneYes, as many do. I did Lyft for 6 months years back when 1/2 of my department was laid off. Are we to rip off and dehumanize drivers for their personal set of circumstances?
Uber and Liyft exploit both passengers and drivers. Is there anyone who can stop this injustice?
You can! By walking instead of using them :) neither the driver nor the passenger is forced to partake. It's a consensual business interaction. Don't like it? Don't use the convenience.
@@ADDisAOK Why does the state organism exist? Why do we pay taxes? The state must prevent monopolization! I hope your comment is a joke! Because your comment is ridiculous!
@@aliaslan5755 Uber and Lyft aren't monopolies. Go get a cab license. Do you honestly want the state to have control over every aspect of your life? If you wanna work a shit job for shit pay go ahead. State shouldn't be allowed to stop you if you're of sound mind.
They don’t exploit anyone. The customer agrees to the price they are offered on the app and is willing to pay. The driver agrees to the price that Uber is willing to pay them for driving the customer. Everyone willingly agreed to take part in the trip. So, no, you’re wrong. No one was exploited. This is literally the definition of justice, not injustice. If you have an issue with the pricing, don’t use the service. It’s that simple.
@@michaelslifecycle Does Uber pay you to write these?
If Uber and Lyft are taking more than the agreed-upon cut, I think we need to be talking to our legislators.
Yesss l am interested
I'm interested
unfortunately legislators are beholden to capitalist interests as well, on both sides of the aisle. but you've got a lot of allies behind you if you decide to join the movement to abolish this kind of exploitation; you're in good company, with radical socialists like martin luther king jr. in your corner.
Normally I'd agree, but too many of them are funded by private equity firms and donors like Charles Koch and Farris Wilks.
They send out addendums often. You have to agree to continue using app. Every update is in the company’s favor, never in the drivers favor.
The biggest way to show them that you're not going to put up with it is to stop working for them and/or stop paying for their services. I know it's probably really inconvenient but that's the best way to send a message.
Just quit Uber after six years full time. It used to be fun, so much that certain things I could overlook. It became so bad I could not turn a blind eye anymore, getting consistently 40-45% of what the pax paid was too much.
Well said. It’s heartbreaking. Not only did they take away all the incentives but also cut the take rate for the driver and call it “opportunity” and “ upfront pricing”
Good for you! Unfortunately nothing will change until enough drivers quit!
*At least I hope Uber drivers get 100% of the tip*
I drive for Uber and am dismayed at learning this. We need to Unionize
The unions just going to charge you more per month. Guess what? They tend to get in the pockets with the very people they're supposed to be helping you work with. I'd like to see a worker's Bill of Rights at a federal level.
The Apps need to be put on notice. These companies must be forced to show how they're going to charge their fees. How that fee structure will look.
Antitrust Monopoly action needs to happen on a more regular basis with our Federal Trade Commission that has not done anything to protect consumers since the late 90s!!
Unionizing won't help you, when Waymo will undercut the entire business model. Taxi and Uber drivers will go the way of elevator operators.
Unionize lol. So you want it as a career? Was Uber ever a career option? You are a sub contractor not employee. Just pointing out your statement is just lame.
But I agree Uber or anyone else should not be keeping that much of the money. %20 tops
Uber/Lyft has been doing this forever why are you dismayed now? You don’t check what you get?
@@ProMainMan people do this for a living so it’s a job it’s not a part-time career
This is a clear opportunity for the Cab companies to make a comeback.
Cabs where i live are actually cheaper than uber/lyft I paid 71 with tip yo get my drunk ass cuzin home last weekend and uber wanted 96 b4 tip hell naw!!
Cabs used to rob people blind too 😂 we just need a true service ride share program
That's why now is a time to make a good comeback with a counter offer. 🤣🤣@@qbanz00
@@qbanz00Exactly
I remember arguing with cab drivers for purposely taking a long route when I told them the quickest way. I'd rather deal with rideshare companies vs crooked cab drivers again. Laws just need to crack down on how much rideshare drivers are getting per ride. It needs to be increased.
@@robinsonfamily222 they could use the ride share model though...with some tweaks.
I had a roommate that was a black car driver when Uber came to our city. Taxi drivers tried to organize and fight them but they lost the battle. I see Uber as an actual criminal enterprise. Also, not disability accessible!
Black cab drivers were the biggest scammers around until Uber cut them down to size
In big cities they have options for people in wheelchairs but nowhere else
@@glitteryglowy7639 Right? I moved minutes from the city and there's nothing. The "accessible" transit can take hours for a 25 min drive because they'll be picking up others and dropping them off.
These are the jobs Obama created from my understanding
@@jedjules1952 Holy moly now I see the headlines. This just gets even more disturbing. This is how monsters are made. Get political backing and become publicly traded. Yuck.
As drivers, we can always ask passengers how much they paid for the ride. This is where we should use discretion, but if you've been driving awhile, you know who you can ask and who you can;'t. Be mindful of who you are asking this. I think most passengers would be willing and in fact are probably curious about how much the driver is getting.
I had conversation with my Lyft driver during a ride from downtown Dallas to DFW. Despite being billed almost $60, the driver received only $16, and even had to cover toll expenses from this meager amount. The lack of transparency in their practices seems like one of the most significant heists in history. Drivers need to unite and collectively voice their concerns to bring more attention to these issues and potentially halt operations for days.
And the white elephant in the room nobody is talking about is that the entire Share Ride apps business model was built on backs and the sweat of immigrant workers.
I guarantee you that 90% of all Lyft and Uber drivers are immigrants, yet the rich and ignorant MAGA Nation minions really hate them.
Your driver wasn't very smart to accept your ride. Driver had enough detail upfront, so their problem.
Or maybe they were playing you for a bigger tip. Did you end up tipping bigger than normal?
We do not get enough info up front. So not the drivers problem. We are NOT SHOWN the price the customer pays!!!!!!!!!!!
Tips are the ONLY reason that drivers take airport rides. As an overall percentage in a group, airport riders tip more often. People going to work generally don't tip. People going to and from school generally don't tip. About a third of those coming home from clubs an/or events tip. Fares to and from the airport are around half of what they were a few years ago. The part of town you work also has a huge impact on tips, that's the only secret of rideshare that drivers need to learn. Tips are generally at least half of my weekly take. Having a clean car, available charging ports, dress nice (casual can still be nice), be friendly, and let the customer lead whether or not they want conversation. That will get you tips.
100% Agree. Organize and strike for a higher %.
Been an Uber and Lyft driver for 7 years on and off. These are key reasons why I’m starting my own private chauffeuring business. These drivers that are serious about their job need to start getting financially literate so they can step away and get into true self employment. I urge all full time drivers to start learning how to run your own legal business or get a class A license CDL or else you will eventually be homeless. Our cars only last so long. Get a game plan and execute it. Uber and Lyft do not care about us at all.