Now guess how much i invested in media blasting ?? I bought the 100 liter compressor 450 Eu , steel pipes and sheets , led lights , sealing strips , paint , welding stick , cutting discs, hoses , blowing gun and two months of work in the cold , and i did it , it cost me max 650Eu , and i specially designed for mtb frames .. cheers from Transilvania , you job its inspirational
Another very informative video, thanks for the science lesson 👍🏼 It’s been a lot time since I was at school so I had forgotten all about the Mohs scale 🥴👍🏼
Gute Erklärung bezüglich dem „Strahlen-Prozess“. Ich wusste gar nicht, dass man Carbon strahlen kann. Die meisten Anbieter wollten nix mit meinem Alu-Rahmen zu tun haben, geschweige denn Carbon... gute Nische hast Du gefunden!
Great video Martin! Thank you for sharing! Quick question: How much media do you need to blast your typical carbon frame? I have a 2022 Specialized Roubaix in a 49cm and I've gotten the itch to repaint the frame, but I don't see myself sanding and being without a bike for 2 weeks to a month and would rather pay to have it blasted, but I'm not sure if the local service I found work with cherry stones media and if not, I need to know how much I should buy. Thanks!
Hey Martin. Where can i get the cherry pit granulate? Can’t Seem to find it locally in Denmark. Can walnut shell granulate be used as a substitute? Love your videos btw❤
Nice chanel broski🤙🏼 Im about to finish my capra cf with raw finish, its almost two weeks for preparation already... As i saw its worth it but would i do it again? No😄
Holy crapola, is this legit?, I’m blading and sanding a frame now and I’m ashamed to say how much time I’ve put in and how far that time has gotten me. I would pay good money to have this done if I doesn’t weaken the frame.
@@ETOE you are right! I didn’t saw this video, I saw the other one with blasting. I just saw the whole video and I have the answer for the blasting material! Thank you very much! But I don’t understand why you are not using paint remover first and then blasting. Thanks for your time and your answer.
So, your advice for removing paint from carbon fibre is to get a blasting booth and media blast it? Any advice that doesn't involve a $10,000 investment?
@@robertgee4540 yes just watch the carbon sanding video on my channel. Investment 36 cents for wetsanding paper and a bucket from your girlfriend who does your household.
I have a blast cabinet already set up with walnut shells. Good pressure and drier connected. Any opinion on walnut shells vs. cherry pits for removing paint on carbon frame? Thanks and I love you video!
In an early video, I asked if you had to hand sand these and you said yes.. Looks like now you don't have to.. What do you think about a mouse random orbital sander for home stripping of carbon paint?
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@@juanQuedo no they are weaker than the material itself. the american army they blast their hamvies with walnut shells ,its made from (aluminiun and other composits materials.) also the air when moving above a current presure it cools the material ,I think its the venturi effect.
@@tipfi92 Hast du dir das mit dem sichtbaren Carbon so vorgestellt? Um´s Steuerrohr und am Tretlager sieht man, dass YT den Rahmen zum lackieren vorgesehen hat. Sonst wäre sicher da noch eine Lage Sichtcarbon vorgesehen. Sieht irgendwie recht verbastelt aus.
@@ennokanScottwalker Ja genau so wollte ich es haben. Ich wusste wie die Rahmen ohne Lack aussehen. Und ich mag diesen "Prototyp" Look einfach😁 Ich weiß, es ist nichts für jeden, aber ich finds mega gut😅
@@tipfi92 Alles gut, es muss ja für dich passen und schön zu hören dass es keine böse Überraschung war. Dann viel Spaß mit dem neuen, deinem Traumlook. Ride on, have fun!
Hmm...you weren't very explicit...you said carbon but carbon frames are more than carbon...carbon and resin...carbon has a mohs hardness rating but does resin and is the rating the same with all manufacturer's resins? Obviously using cherry pit media was successful in this situation but will it be across all frames utilizing resins of different properties? I'm a fan of yours but clarity is needed here.
Vielen Dank für dieses interessante Video! Mein Strahler des Verstrauens kann jedoch nur Wallnussschalen als Medium strahlen. Meine Frage ist nun ob das auch funktionieren wird.
Nein nicht zwangsläufig. Wenn er die falsche Kabine nuzt wird er Beschädigungen in den Rahmen strahlen. Er benötigt dafür ein spezielles Kabinensetup mit anderen Komponenten die für Carbon ausgelegt sind.
Great explanations and such a satisfying blasting 😁 I guess aluminum and steel are somewhere between cherry pits and carbon, no? For sure aluminum is softer than steel and carbon
For God's sake, don't do it with chemicals cause you will destroy the resin which glues the carbon fibers together. This is carried out with the help of mechanical stripping.
I'm trying to find sandblasting media "Cherry pits", but Unsuccessfully. Is there any other name for that media? Btw. how big is your blasting cabinet? 990 or 1200L ?
@@ETOE I'm buying sandblasting cabinet + compressor. I'm working carbon repairing and painting ( but painting / design 20 levels below you ). I'm undecided between 990L and 1200L sandblasting cabinet, that's why i'm asking you how big is yours ( cabinet :) ). Also cannot find sandblasting media / sand with name Cherry Pits, probably it has some another name.
Nice Video... Mich würde interessieren, ob du schonmal eine Federgabel mit einem neuen Look versehen hast? Würde das nämlich gerne bei meiner Rockshox lyrik machen und ein paar kleine Tipps vom Profi schaden ja nie. ;)
Hallo Martin. I have seen aluminium Scott frame on your site. I want to paint similar frame, and don't know what primer to choose. 2k self etching or something else?
I'm curious if anybody here knows how long it takes to blast the paint off? I'm sending mine to a local shop who can do cherry pits but I want to know how long I should expect to be billed for
super, endlich alle Fragen beantwortet :-) Ich überlege immer noch, ob ich das mit meinem Rahmen machen lasse... evtl. von dir... aber danach wieder Klarlack drauf?!?
Das reicht leider nicht. Klarlack bildet keine Haftung auf Carbon aus. Ohne einen transparenten Primer und füllen der Pinholes und Harzlöcher geht es nicht.
@@ETOE Nein, ich meine das Carbon einfach so lassen. Sollte ja auch widerstandsfähig genug sein, Lack ist ja weicher als Carbon, wie soeben gelernt :-) Meine Laufräder sind auch Carbon ohne Lack (Biturbo RS), das würde gut passen. Ich überlege mir das mal und trete bei Bedarf offiziell geschäftlich mit dir in Kontakt. Grüße aus Darmstadt
@@julianreverse Wieso? Rosten kann es ja schon mal nicht. Und es ist ja komplett mit Harz durchdrängt, also quasi massiv durchlackiert. Wie oben geschrieben, meine Laufräder sind auch aus Carbon und unbeschichtet, mein Sattel auch. Da macht deine Aussage für mich jetzt irgendwie keinen Sinn. Kannst du das näher erläutern?
But what about the pleasure of countless hours in idle thought, hand sanding? Does this change the pricing in general? Ha ha, maybe after 22 000 deficit is met.
Can you do a video for aluminum frames too?
Please watch this video to see me striping and painting an aluminum frame: th-cam.com/video/YaGwTyIPYlg/w-d-xo.html
Now guess how much i invested in media blasting ?? I bought the 100 liter compressor 450 Eu , steel pipes and sheets , led lights , sealing strips , paint , welding stick , cutting discs, hoses , blowing gun and two months of work in the cold , and i did it , it cost me max 650Eu , and i specially designed for mtb frames .. cheers from Transilvania , you job its inspirational
For removing paint from fibre glass and plastics I use walnut shell I would recommend it also.
wow, that's a revolution in paint stripping! amazing
The Mohs scale very nicely explained Martin. Would love to know where shredded walnut shells are located and why you're using 🍒 instead.
I think is what you can find locally and I think they are the same hardness.
Your responses to most comments are very funny! You are a funny German!
I am on the top end of the Mohs scale when I watch your videos.
Another very informative video, thanks for the science lesson 👍🏼 It’s been a lot time since I was at school so I had forgotten all about the Mohs scale 🥴👍🏼
Gute Erklärung bezüglich dem „Strahlen-Prozess“. Ich wusste gar nicht, dass man Carbon strahlen kann. Die meisten Anbieter wollten nix mit meinem Alu-Rahmen zu tun haben, geschweige denn Carbon... gute Nische hast Du gefunden!
That is a good investment! Speed and time is $money$ Came out good. Sanding is just a bitch. Labor intensive! 👊🏻
Great video Martin! Thank you for sharing!
Quick question: How much media do you need to blast your typical carbon frame?
I have a 2022 Specialized Roubaix in a 49cm and I've gotten the itch to repaint the frame, but I don't see myself sanding and being without a bike for 2 weeks to a month and would rather pay to have it blasted, but I'm not sure if the local service I found work with cherry stones media and if not, I need to know how much I should buy. Thanks!
Increible!!!! Perfect job Martin and fantastic machine!!!
Wow that’s a very nice media blaster cabinet love it
Looking forward to it, Martin 👍 🎄🎅Merry Christmas🎄🎅 and a 🎉🎊🎉Happy and Prosperous New Year🎉🎊🎉👍✊️
Great informative video !! Please make a video on how to remove old paint of an old bicycle with cooper welds and how to paint it with spray cans
wow, congratulation to buy the machine !
Hey Martin. Where can i get the cherry pit granulate? Can’t Seem to find it locally in Denmark. Can walnut shell granulate be used as a substitute? Love your videos btw❤
just try.
Nice chanel broski🤙🏼
Im about to finish my capra cf with raw finish, its almost two weeks for preparation already...
As i saw its worth it but would i do it again? No😄
Holy crapola, is this legit?, I’m blading and sanding a frame now and I’m ashamed to say how much time I’ve put in and how far that time has gotten me. I would pay good money to have this done if I doesn’t weaken the frame.
That's one hell of a bad ass blasting cabinet! Jealous!
Very good job!!! Why aren’t you using paint remover? What are you using for blasting, sand or something else? Thank you for your sharing!!!
Have you listened to one single word I spoke in my video? Have you really watched the video?
@@ETOE you are right! I didn’t saw this video, I saw the other one with blasting. I just saw the whole video and I have the answer for the blasting material! Thank you very much! But I don’t understand why you are not using paint remover first and then blasting. Thanks for your time and your answer.
It scratches at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7.
hahaahah JerryRigEverything
I wish
Glass is glass and glass strips carbon
hi great !! where can i buy this abrasive ??
So, your advice for removing paint from carbon fibre is to get a blasting booth and media blast it? Any advice that doesn't involve a $10,000 investment?
@@robertgee4540 yes just watch the carbon sanding video on my channel. Investment 36 cents for wetsanding paper and a bucket from your girlfriend who does your household.
Great video. Can you talk about the blast cabinet and compressor you use?
The scale is 1 up to 10 but hardness is not linear. So diamond (10) is not 10x as hard as 1 which is talc I think.
Your right. Most objects are between 1-9....but the gap between 9 and 10 (diamonds) is extreme. (As I was told)
Hey Martin, love your videos can you let me know the company that you bought your cabinet from.
And you don't need to tape up all the holes? Do you have to wash the frame or something after blasting?
Really cool investment.
No and no.
I really love your work!!
I have a blast cabinet already set up with walnut shells. Good pressure and drier connected. Any opinion on walnut shells vs. cherry pits for removing paint on carbon frame? Thanks and I love you video!
Just try it and good luck 😅🤣😂
In an early video, I asked if you had to hand sand these and you said yes.. Looks like now you don't have to.. What do you think about a mouse random orbital sander for home stripping of carbon paint?
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Bruh ain’t nobody doing all that
ther is also walnut shells as a fine sand for aluminium and carbon safe.
just wondering, do those natural medias become hotter when blasting with them? and if so, can that affect the way they work?
@@juanQuedo no they are weaker than the material itself. the american army they blast their hamvies with walnut shells ,its made from (aluminiun and other composits materials.) also the air when moving above a current presure it cools the material ,I think its the venturi effect.
@@nikolaosstavrou5327 Thanks for your answer !
another excellent informative vid bravo
where would walnut sit on this graph and could it be used instead of cherry pits?
@@nathantiller889 it will eat your carbon frame 😆
geil dass ich sehn kann wie mein bike bearbeitet wird 🥰🥳
Hoffentlich gibt's auch ein Video zum Lackieren bzw. Bilder vom fertigen Rahmen!
@@YuoTubeTobi wenn nicht hier dann von mir 😅
@@tipfi92 Hast du dir das mit dem sichtbaren Carbon so vorgestellt? Um´s Steuerrohr und am Tretlager sieht man, dass YT den Rahmen zum lackieren vorgesehen hat. Sonst wäre sicher da noch eine Lage Sichtcarbon vorgesehen. Sieht irgendwie recht verbastelt aus.
@@ennokanScottwalker Ja genau so wollte ich es haben. Ich wusste wie die Rahmen ohne Lack aussehen. Und ich mag diesen "Prototyp" Look einfach😁 Ich weiß, es ist nichts für jeden, aber ich finds mega gut😅
@@tipfi92 Alles gut, es muss ja für dich passen und schön zu hören dass es keine böse Überraschung war. Dann viel Spaß mit dem neuen, deinem Traumlook. Ride on, have fun!
what about some clear coats, are they harder than the paint beneath?
Doesn`t really matter. Maybe 0,1 to 0,2 on the Mohs scale. Most blasting medias can remove all kinds of wet spray paints and powder coats.
Very cool, thank you sir!
Buenas tardes etoe..
Que tipo de arena usas para no hacer daño al carbono?
Muchas gracias y feliz navidad 💪💪
Comer helado en el invierno es refrescante.
Hmm...you weren't very explicit...you said carbon but carbon frames are more than carbon...carbon and resin...carbon has a mohs hardness rating but does resin and is the rating the same with all manufacturer's resins? Obviously using cherry pit media was successful in this situation but will it be across all frames utilizing resins of different properties? I'm a fan of yours but clarity is needed here.
No. You are every time able to blast away your frame even with the wood dust of your grannys peg leg. Just don`t do it if you are unsure.
@@ETOE I can't use granny's peg leg being its carbon and resin ;-)
Vielen Dank für dieses interessante Video! Mein Strahler des Verstrauens kann jedoch nur Wallnussschalen als Medium strahlen. Meine Frage ist nun ob das auch funktionieren wird.
Nein nicht zwangsläufig. Wenn er die falsche Kabine nuzt wird er Beschädigungen in den Rahmen strahlen. Er benötigt dafür ein spezielles Kabinensetup mit anderen Komponenten die für Carbon ausgelegt sind.
Great explanations and such a satisfying blasting 😁
I guess aluminum and steel are somewhere between cherry pits and carbon, no?
For sure aluminum is softer than steel and carbon
You should use cherry pits or walnut shell for aluminium!
Using your new machine :)
Good insights Martin, a pro needs that keep up with its work! Since I don't have $22k... wet sanding for me! Frohe Weihnachten! 🎅
He wrote $22 not $22k though
Best pointer ever XD
I thought that its not good to use sand blasting on carbon frames?
Omg you're a left hander, this explains a lot.
Do you know who you caught it from?
From God.
Muy bueno!!!
Personalmente me gusta mucho la fibra a la vista solo con un barniz y algún detalle de pintura muy sutiles.
Saludos desde Uruguay 🇺🇾
I have a company nearby that does blasting with dry ice, you think that would work?
Maybe if you buy several hundreds kilogram of dry ice and invest some hours of blasting.
@@ETOE I see!
YT has a great frame!
Where are you located?
And what would be the cost to strip a frame/fork for a road bike?
Didnt see if you are offering this service.
Thanks!
Please check the website etoe.de for info or send a mail with information about the condition of your frame for quotes.
nice video, a nice referral to start, thanks
How does walnut shell compare to cherry pit?
Thank you, very informative.
Thanks for the information about it ... My cycle frame is very soft and it is getting scratched very easily with fingernails
Just dry the layers of paint better than you did. Paint is not dry and solvents make the paint soft.
ETOE I have now painted first layer of clear coat and let it dry for 24 hours and will give second coat of clear.Is it the right way .Kindly clarify.
Are wallnut shells good as well?
For God's sake, don't do it mechanically because you'll also strip the carbon.
This is carried out with the help of chemistry.
Greetings
For God's sake, don't do it with chemicals cause you will destroy the resin which glues the carbon fibers together. This is carried out with the help of mechanical stripping.
Hi Martin,
nice video (again)!
What is the time you gained versus the wet sanding?
Hours.
@@julianreverse Nope, you are literally talking days :D
What is up with the super blue lights?
Can I use walnut shell blasting media instead of cherry pit media
You can use your cut off toe nails for blasting if you like.
I'm trying to find sandblasting media "Cherry pits", but Unsuccessfully. Is there any other name for that media?
Btw. how big is your blasting cabinet? 990 or 1200L ?
What?
@@ETOE I'm buying sandblasting cabinet + compressor. I'm working carbon repairing and painting ( but painting / design 20 levels below you ). I'm undecided between 990L and 1200L sandblasting cabinet, that's why i'm asking you how big is yours ( cabinet :) ). Also cannot find sandblasting media / sand with name Cherry Pits, probably it has some another name.
@@tbradaric yes good luck.
Can I use this model to front baby seat?
This was oddly satisfying. Lol
Hi Martin, how long will a typical road frame take to clean in the cabinet?
Nearly the same amount of time like my average morning poop.
@@ETOE WOW mine is typically only about 3mins that is quiiiiiick
@@ETOE how long are your poops. In time and length
What about sodium bicarbonate as a media?
If you want to blow holes in carbon frames do it!
Hi Martin, do you have a link to buy cherry pit ? thank you
No, sorry
Damn the stripping is satisfying
Nice Video...
Mich würde interessieren, ob du schonmal eine Federgabel mit einem neuen Look versehen hast?
Würde das nämlich gerne bei meiner Rockshox lyrik machen und ein paar kleine Tipps vom Profi schaden ja nie. ;)
Ich kann deine Gabel gerne machen. Wenn du es selbst machen willst, viel Erfolg.
si as invertido 22mil dólares en esa instalación ,no quiero saber lo que cobras al año
Anyone know how hard walnut shells are relative to cherry pits?
Hallo Martin. I have seen aluminium Scott frame on your site. I want to paint similar frame, and don't know what primer to choose. 2k self etching or something else?
Aluminum primer
@@ETOE but there is different type of aluminium primer.
@@dioright Yes I know. Use what you like best.
How much time do you estimate you saved using the blasting media vs sanding?
Days 🤣🤣🤣
@@ETOE so $$$$ well spent on your side then getting this set up :)
Magic Carbon
When I have to sand the clearcoat, do I use 400p then 600p and 800p, or I start immediately using 800p?
Depends on your upper arm. If you have spaghetti arms start with 320.
@@ETOE if I have muscles with what I start?
@@valentinorapposelli5101 Watch his videos. He's doing it with 800 for stripping and 1000 between layers.
Damn Martin, I know you're an artist, but I think you're part engineer also....
Every German is part of Engineer
Guten🙏, welche Körnung benutzt du nach dem primer, zum anrauen vorm Lackieren? Liebe Grüße
Same grit as the toilet paper in Buckingham Palace.
Ich verstehe, ganz lieben Dank :)
I'm curious if anybody here knows how long it takes to blast the paint off? I'm sending mine to a local shop who can do cherry pits but I want to know how long I should expect to be billed for
30 mins max. And get rid of the "I pay people for their time" - mentality. You don't pay for their time, you pay for their skills.
If your blast shop can do it in 30 minutes the only thing left of your frame is some dust.😅😅😅😅😅
22,000 is nothing if it saves you a lot of time stripping the frame. Can paint more bikes in the time it takes you to strip just one frame.
Yesterday I used thinner and steelwool. Worked quick and effectively
Good stuff
Someone buy this man a whiteboard
I prefer surfboards.
How do you prep the frame for clear coat?
With primer.
What’s the name of the song?
thanksfor the lesson
Where do walnut shells sit in the hardness scale?
3,5 to 4
@@ETOE so would they be safe on carbon frames as I can't source cherry pips in the UK as far as I can see?
@@adamhaycock8969 Nothing is save but Brexit. Goodbye Britain.
super, endlich alle Fragen beantwortet :-) Ich überlege immer noch, ob ich das mit meinem Rahmen machen lasse... evtl. von dir... aber danach wieder Klarlack drauf?!?
Das reicht leider nicht. Klarlack bildet keine Haftung auf Carbon aus. Ohne einen transparenten Primer und füllen der Pinholes und Harzlöcher geht es nicht.
@@ETOE Nein, ich meine das Carbon einfach so lassen. Sollte ja auch widerstandsfähig genug sein, Lack ist ja weicher als Carbon, wie soeben gelernt :-) Meine Laufräder sind auch Carbon ohne Lack (Biturbo RS), das würde gut passen. Ich überlege mir das mal und trete bei Bedarf offiziell geschäftlich mit dir in Kontakt. Grüße aus Darmstadt
@@cocktailfoto7188 Carbon muss beschichtet werden. Nackt ist es dem Untergang geweiht.
@@julianreverse Wieso? Rosten kann es ja schon mal nicht. Und es ist ja komplett mit Harz durchdrängt, also quasi massiv durchlackiert. Wie oben geschrieben, meine Laufräder sind auch aus Carbon und unbeschichtet, mein Sattel auch. Da macht deine Aussage für mich jetzt irgendwie keinen Sinn. Kannst du das näher erläutern?
@@cocktailfoto7188 UV Strahlung. Und auch deine Laufräder sowie der Sattel sind lackiert.
Thanks Master
You write with both hands!?!
You walk with both feet !?!
@@ETOE no, I only have one... 😎
It'd be a lot quicker, cheaper, etc. if you just get the frame before they put paint on it in the first place!
Yes but people are not smart enough to send me unpainted frames as you might understand. Maybe you can teach them?
Cool video but this doesn’t help much cause I don’t have that machine just chilling at my house.
Please use the video for home strippers 😀 : th-cam.com/video/IiqWy-JXB74/w-d-xo.html
Und auf alu?
hey buddy thanx for all the vids ur awesome... can u paint my frame for me? can i get ur info
sure,, 2k $ plz
@@joanfarnes1908 Ok cool... the checks in the mail ;)
nice
Thanks
You're such a nice guy I want to buy a beer 🍻. Love your videos 👍
im just a bit disappointed because clearly the outer layer wasnt design to look bare lol
Yes looks really ugly.
Tunes
But what about the pleasure of countless hours in idle thought, hand sanding? Does this change the pricing in general? Ha ha, maybe after 22 000 deficit is met.
Watched for 2 minutes and had to watch an IKEA ad 3 times aldready 👎