How to Service a Mainline 4-6-0 Locomotive
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Another servicing/restoration video, this time of the Mainline 4-6-0s: Royal Scot, Manor, Rebuilt Patriot, and also applicable to most Mainline steamers!
Thanks for watching!
samstrains
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Very helpful video, I have a Mainline Rebuilt Patriot to sort out, bought it cheap as a poor runner. Nothing doing putting power to the wheels so took body off and put the test meter on continuity between the wheels and the brush holders and that was fine, put power to the brush holders and it ran for a short while and it stopped, no smoke or nasty smells so maybe a brush problem so have ordered new brushes and springs to fit after a good clean as per your video. Many thanks..........Mike.
Thanks for sharing this great video, I've got quite a lot of mainline loco's, wagon's and coaches, never done a service on a loco but after seeing your video I'll give it a try thanks John
Great tutorial, Sam. I’ve just bought one, and I’ll put your advice to good use.
Yep very useful, I've got quite a few Mainline. I find the smaller 0-6-0 Collett goods, 2-6-0 and Manor are rather erratic runners even with regular servicing. The Jubilee and Scot are more stable but a bit proven to the front bogie jumping off over points. I tend to take lots of digital photos when taking them apart to make reassembly a little more easy. Keep up the good work; always enjoy the videos.
Thanks very much, yeah you're right, the 0-6-0 certainly is an erratic runner, I had to buy a whole other engine as a donor to get mine to run smoothly! That's definitely a good idea though, that's saved me a few times from getting confused lol!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Many thanks for this video Sam , received a Mainline Black Jubilee Class in the post today . I don’t think it’s ever been out of the box . So following your video I was able to strip it down and reassemble . On split chassis locos I always use electrolube as it is much better for electrical contact . David
My pleasure mate - glad you were able to get it sorted! Yes electrolube is a very good shout for these! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yahoo, Sam to the Rescue, Again.
I just dug out my Old Mainline 4.6.0. Out of its Tomb (aka. Box)
& even though It runs, it needs a Service. It's been Years since I ran it..!
But I don't have instructions, so who can I turn too..!?
"Sam the (model) Train man..!"
Even if this is an 'Old Video.' It's just what I needed..!
Sam your the Main Man..! Thanx.
👍👍👍👍👍🥳
Cheers, Kim in Oz. 👍👌
Actually my Royal Scot arrived and decided not to work, and thanks to your video I was able to fix it and now she runs! Thank you for this helpful video!!
Ooh that's great news! Yeah mine didn't work either when I first got her - glad you sorted yours though! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Thanks for the tips! I have a few Mainline locos. Lovely engines and they have a nice clank as they go along, one of my standard four's had a snapped axel. I have a better idea now of the Mainlines work, Thanks again and Have a good one!
It's a pleasure mate - glad to hear about those, have a good one!! :D
Merry Christmas - Sam :)
Excellent Sam, thanks. Couldn't find the pickup system, but it runs smoothly and quietly now!
Thanks so much mate - glad to hear that! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've tried doing a service on a mainline jubilee that had an odd squeak to it. Will have another try now we have some better oil to use, as I think I made her worse! This was a great video to run through all the steps again, thankyou.
Ahh yes - try not adding oil to the commutator side of the motor - that can cause issues!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
It's good to see your mistakes. It is nice to know I'm not the only one that does it. For cleaning I use Isopropyl Alcohol, it is very gentle on plastics but it does remove dirt. When I worked on computers I used it on the cases and keyboards to clean them. It even left the shine on the case and worn key pads. I was not sure about servicing the motor on the Standard Class 4 MT. It is roughly the same and it looks the same with the brushes. Those little springs do run away, even being careful. I found mine as well, it's good to watch them when removing. Thank you.
Thanks a lot Duncan - yes I use IPA too these days, it's much better than the stuff I used to use! Yes I bet this would be good on computers too - I might try some on some PC fans, to get the grime off!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Yes IPA is an excellent cleaner and is good with plastics. It will clean them very well. Some of the dirt on them can be quite gunky. I usually give them a good brushing and then resort to the IPA.
Great video. I never saw a locomotive serviced so good, manly because in EU the companies aren't making the locos so accesible so things that you do here cost like 50 euros if something gets bust. But even so I do service my engines as well as I can.
Thanks very much! That's true - there's not always much to be done for modern locos, but you can normally do the basics! :D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
Thank you for giving me the confidence to service my first ever loco 👍
Great to hear that - good luck!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, thank you so much for this service video...
I have just purchased from Hatton's a Mainline Rebuilt Royal Scot... ( cat. 37-056 ).
so i wanted to service it, and have followed your report step by step and i can safely say it all went well... thanks again... ( ps i didn't even loose a spring lol) Your follower Neil from Dunkirk
My pleasure mate - really glad it worked for you, very well done! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Thank you, Sam, for sharing this video and another one where you had not one B1, but two. An LNER and a BR Early Crest. You did the review on the Green one and gave it a score of 8/10, but in your scores, you did not at that time have a Mechanism rating. I have to get some new brushes and springs for her and I will order a new set of axle joiners for the B1 and the J72, As for a B12 running Chassis that I bought about the same time, but with a different motor fitted, like the one in the Blue B12. If I remember I will take some photos of it and email them to you. I have waited three years for these models to reach Thailand. (Cost of Postage) Martin. Thailand.
Very interesting video. I must get round to attempting to fix some of my older locos. Best wishes. :)
Thanks mate, best of luck with your restorations! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 cheers Sam! very informative, I wasn’t sure where to start on these ones🙂
No problem Dan, glad this was some help! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam'sTrains I dropped one of the brushes 🤦🏼♀️ so its forever lost in the carpet well until I hoover atleast...spent ages looking but a grey and black carpet doesn’t make finding a tiny black object easy! they seemed pretty loose in their holes, is that normal?
I know this is an old video but it was very helpful in my first servicing of my mainline loco
Glad to hear that John, appreciate the comment!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Thank you Sam this video help out heaps with my second hand purchase off of eBay "Leander" was a poor runner before maintenance but after, it is my smoothest at slow speed and is also my fastest runner too now thank you sam
That's great to hear mate - fantastic that she's running much better! Enjoy her! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Nice vid Sam, i always used lighter fluid to clean my loco's i find it work great on the wheels too
Thanks very much - yeah the lighter fluid is great, if slightly obnoxious! I use it for most cleaning nowadays,
All the best,
Sam :)
Hi Sam I got one those oil pens similar to the one you have for Christmas also I hope you and your family and friends are well and staying safe during these tough times. cheers :)
That's awesome Lewis - and hope you and yours are doing well too mate! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains yes thanks I'm doing good and so is my family and I am looking forward to your next videos keep up the very informative and inspiring and exciting videos : )
Nice demo ..Dave
Thanks a lot Dave! :)
Cheers,
Sam
Thanks Sam, I haven't got any Mainline locos yet as I have heard a lot of stuff about poor running and naff motors etc. After watching your vid I will see what I can find cheap on eBay.
My pleasure Kevin - yes I wouldn't really recommend them, but they're okay if you're on a real budget!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Kevin Farmer I have a mainline Erlestoke Manor and a 4mt 4-6-0 BR Black 75006 and they are nearly 30 years old and they both well a bit noisy but they don't hesitate to move around my single track oval loop and I got them second hand
issues with mainline are the issues with split axles + gears, peters spares do replacements though, but would get them professionally fitted though.
Have you got a magnetic parts tray? It's very much recommended and is amazingly useful.
No I haven't actually - it sounds like a very good idea though, thanks very much for the tip!
Cheers,
Sam :)
great vid
some great tips there
thanks for sharing ade
Thanks Ade, glad you liked it - these are pretty tricky to service, but it has to be done!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Amazing video dude, I'M LEARNING NEW THINGS! XD, But seriously I'm learning new things about Model Railroad stuff I never knew about, KEEP EM UP! :D
Thanks a lot for your comment- really glad you learned something, these are great fun to fix! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
Sam'sTrains LOL Ya I basically don't have much for my layout, I only have Bachmann Salty, Donald, Bill, & a Bachmann Burlington Northern, some rolling stock LOL but yours is BETTTER!! AHHHH! XD
Very helpful. As i have to be adept servicing uk locos and equip here in states. They seem generlly uite reliable tho rods work loose frequently and the traction tires wear out too fast and are hard to replace. Wish there were more durable tyres
Thanks a lot Bill - yeah they're not too bad, though there are sometimes issues with these Mainline engines, as you will know!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
This video was just what I needed today! I had a Bachmann 4-6-0 loco with broken valve gear and a Mainline chassis that I had picked up on EBay with good valve gear but non runner. It turns out that the previous owner had taken the motor apart and not replaced or had lost the springs. The Triang ringfield springs fit perfect and my non runner now runs. The body from the Bachman fits perfectly on the Mainline chassis. I now have a combined runner! The only issue now is that the bogie wheels are jumping the track on some of the points. Any suggestions for that? Thanks!
Glad to hear that - sorry about all the problems, but at least you managed to get it running! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Interesting video Sam. Have you ever tried using graphite powder to lubricate the axle journals? I have been doing this for some time now in split chassis locos. I clean all the old oil off first with a solvent - lighter fuel looks ok - then dry lubricate with the powder. As graphite is both a lubricant and a conductor they seem to run well and I always find that a service shows an immediate improvement in running...John
Hi John, thanks a lot for the comment! I've not tried Graphite powder, since I've not had a problem with using my regular oil - but that does sound like an excellent idea, I'll definitely give it a go!
Thanks for the tip,
all the best,
Sam :)
Today I went to a model railway show and bought a mainline Scot class, but the previous owner had rebuilt it, and it has the same Mainline body, but a Bachmann chassis!
That is fantastic - I bet it's a great runner! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains also, sorry for posting the comment twice, I didn't mean to do that!
you can get replacement brushes and springs for mainline from peters spares. The springs are easily lost so I always keep spares. Hornby springs can be used but might be too long. I believe one of my lost springs is probably still orbiting the earth.
Yes you certainly can Paul - I have a healthy stock of them too!!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great service demo. How do I repair A OO Gauge Mainline 4-6-0 Standard Class 4MT Pushrods? One of them the pin has come out of a plastic bit about half way down the side. I am lucky, I bought this like it was. The lucky part was when I took the body off I found the pin in there! I am having trouble fitting it back. I also found the wheels were moving round independently of each other. So, the pushrods are out of line too. It was in very good condition and the motor works, it just does not mone on the track.
Thanks Duncan! Hmm, that's tricky - I must admit, I've never had any mainline valve gears to pieces. First of all, you'll need to find out whether the wheelset is correctly quartered... all the crank pins/holes should line up on all wheels, with a 90 degree offset on the two sides of the model. Then you'll have to find out how the pin goes in - is it screwed or just pushed in?
Good luck!
Sam :)
The one that has come out is push in. I think this poor little engine has had a hard life. Up the other end to the motor is two little screws, one either side. they go into a plastic shim. on mine it has broken and when you take the motor apart to clean and oil, the assembly becomes very loose and the two plastic bushes that the wheel cover screws, screw into, fall out. Also the plastic axles are cracked and the wheels just rotate in them. I may have to glue them into place. (with great care, of-corse.)
Very helpful video Sam..should help my old Mainline Royal Scot run smoother! A request: any chance you could provide a similar video showing how to carry out a full service on an Airfix Fowler 4F 0-6-0, please? The maintenance instructions with the loco are very limited and I have not found anything more detailed online. Many thanks and keep up the good work!
Hope this does help Neville - all the best with it! I don't have the Airfix 4F unfortunately, but I'll look into that! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Sam, i use a little pot to put bits in like those springs and brushes
That sounds smart David, good idea! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Boa tarde San! Sou brasileiro e tenho uma locomotiva Jubilee Class Mainline desde Junho de 2023.....Gosto muito dela e estou fazendo uma maquete para rodar com ela.....Muito bons seus vídeos!
Great video Sam just one question do your tri ang locomotives move modern wheels ?
Hi, thanks very much for the comment! Yeah, 90% of my tri-ang locomotives are running on modern wheels, or at least wheels that are nicely compatible with modern track!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Thumbs up, added to my like list
Thanks very much for the support Keith, glad you liked it!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Great surgery Sam.
Oscar
Thanks Oscar, never thought I'd become a surgeon! Good fun to do these anyway,
Cheers,
Sam :)
Great video, do you know where I can obtain the slide part which is attached to the main crank on the left side valve gear arrangement for an Orion Jubilee class loco? Any help would be really appreciated. Regards, dreid.
Have you had to rebuild the Valve gear/ replace a broken cylinder on one of these. Did they use pins or screws especially in the centre drivers? What are spares like to get?
Postman delivering replacement springs? Wonder if there is a small magnetic plate you could temporarily place screws/washers/springs? (btw - is it me or are these parts getting more fiddly every year?) Informative service - crawled away smoothly. Alan.
haha, luckily I have loads of spare springs.... but I think I've only ever lost one, it must have pinged onto the layout somewhere! And yeah - that is a good idea, I don't loose them once they're off though, it's when they ping away by mistake that's the problem!
Yep - things do seem to get more fiddly, but we live and learn I guess!
All the best mate,
Sam :)
Hi Sam i've just purchased a mainline Royal Scot and a Patriot for a very reasonable price, I think they have been in their boxes for quite some years, just followed your video ( very informative as usual ) they're running a little slowly, how long should they be run in for. - Mick
Hi! That's great to hear - glad you managed to pick some up! The slow running is fairly common, and can be caused by a number of things, but oil on the commutator is usually the big one. Try re-cleaning the commutator and brushes, but this time don't apply any oil to that motor bearing - hopefully that should do it!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
I have broken the main valve gear support on my rebuilt Patriot class 4-6-0 where can I purchase one from and how do I go about replacing it? Roger
have you got a part website for new brushes? fixing a manor class
I think Ebay is your best bet mate - you might get lucky there! :D
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Great Loco and video as usual will this loco convert to dcc and could you do a video showing how to Steve
Thanks very much! You could convert these to DCC, but you'd need to find a way to isolate the motor from the rails! Unfortunately, I wouldn't recommend DCCing these though, since they don't run terribly well, and it would make servicing very difficult! Also, there's not really enough space for a decoder inside the body, and the motor is a tight fit, let alone with added wires from the decoder!
All the best,
Sam :)
Could you unboxing Bachmann GWR class 45xx prairie tank soon?
Hi, thanks for the comment! I don't have one of those, but I'll definitely look into it!
All the best,
Sam :)
Nothing directly relating to yet another interesting video from you; but I have been unable to find anything on the net which deals with replacing missing or damaged valve gear or rods. I just wondered if you had ever covered this subject?
Hi sam, could these mainline locos be run on modern hornby dc controllers
Hi Justin - yes they can - just make sure you service them regularly, and they'll run just fine! :D
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
I have a Mainline 2-6-0 Mogul, early version, which refuses to run. It started off being jerky but now won't run at all. I have replaced the wheel retaining plate, which is the Bachmann version. I had to glue small plates of plastic in the little grooves, which were not present in the Mainline model. I am hovering on the verge of stripping it down but lose my bottle at the last minute. I have followed your maintenance videos but still can't force myself to have a go. I have decided to leave it alone and run something else instead. I have been told that certain bushes have been split so that's the reason it won't run.
Ahh sorry to hear that Kevin - yes these are quite temperamental things - if it's not working, you've got nothing to lose by trying to strip it down - why not give it a go?? ;D
But yeah - if there's an issue with the bushings, that could definitely do it - worth investigating!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains OK, thanks. time to grow a pair, lol.
I find a lot of my Ringfields run badly for a few minutes after a service. I put it down to the Carbon Brushes being disturbed and needing just reseat themselves properly.
I can't see lubricating the axels causing an issue as the pickups are on the actual wheels. The axels have to have some kind of insulation or it would short across the axel as power pickup is on the wheels :).
Yes I think that must be the reason - I've noticed the same thing sometimes! The axles in the old type of ringfield (and indeed these mainline locos) do indeed conduct through the chassis/axles, but only on one side. Only one wheel is insulated from the axle, in order to make this work! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
ahh, the beautiful royal scot.
Yes indeed! :D
sam can you fit decoders to mainline460 6p jim aus
Hi James, it is possible, but it's not a pleasant task. You need to find a way to insulate the motor brushes from the chassis, which is quite annoying to do. You then need to find space for the decoder, which is difficult since the chassis fills up most of the body!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
How to get hold of to correct size modern wheel sets
Sorry what's that you want to know??
Cheers,
Sam :)
I own a mainline Manor class number 7827 I've been reluctant to touch the motor due to the complexity of it which is the other reason why I prefer Type 2 X.03 motors from the Halls
haha absolutely - I certainly don't like the mainline motors either - very finicky things!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
Hi Sam, my manor class was running the other week and all of a sudden it stopped, but the motor was still running. I gave it to my friend on Tuesday, who has done a few models in the past (although non of mine) and I don't know what he did, other than take it apart (this really isn't my area of expertise) and when I got it back Wednesday, it seemed fine but running it about 5 minutes ago it happened again. Any ideas what could be wrong? George
That's strange George - is it a mainline or Bachmann one? It may be a gear-wear issue, or possibly even a split gear!
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains it's the mainline one. Oh ok,so not good then? I'll have to have a look at it, thank you
What to do if I have this exact model and she is reluctant to go and then warms up and goes fast then slugish again and hardly moves random etc????
Yes that's quite common - have you tried the full servie??
Thanks for watching - Sam :)
@@SamsTrains you mean a different version to this one?
how do you get spare parts for mailline tank engines 060 class
Your best bet is to go on Ebay and have a look! If you can't find what you need, you may need to buy another cheap loco for spares or repairs and use it as a donor locomotive!
Cheers,
Sam :)
thanks for the advice m9
what advice dod you have for a 1970s tri-ang Sir Nigel Gresley?
Tri-ang didn't make any A4s, it's probably a Hornby tender driven one... in which case your best bet is the ring field motor servicing video. Other than that, make sure the connections between loco and tender are good and clean, and making good contact!
well it's definitely 1970s, an A4, loco driven, and doesn't work. I don't know for certain what it is. I could take a picture and show you what it looks like that way.
Ah, well if it is tri-ang, then it's been modified from another loco! It could be that it's wrenn - send a PM on facebook with a pic?? :D
PM?
Yeah, private message, sorry! :D
I have a Bachmann hogwarts express and it is old enough where it uses a mainline chassis
Blimey is that true?! I never knew that!
All the best,
Sam :)
I'm in the process of repairing one of the mainline 4mt's for a friend of mine , it belonged to her father and the motor was not in the best of shape, armature was well and truly dead... know of any motor armatures that'll be compatible as the originals are hard to find
Hi Jake, yeah as far as I know, any mainline steam armatures are just fine - if you look on ebay for any old mainline loco for spares or repairs, you can pick them up cheap! Careful though - the N2 doesn't use the same motor. The colletts and the 4-6-0s are also fine though!
All the best,
Sam :)
Many thanks Sam.
This could just about save 75006
Salve, dove posso reperire gli ingranaggi di una 37036 ? Causa la mancanza di un dente in un ingranaggio, non posso utilizare la Locomotiva. Grazie se mi vorrai aiutarmi
did any locos come though the post? ;)
Normally, it's a loco yes, but not today ;)
i'm sorry. ;)
Please do the Hornby 9F :)
Duly noted - I will do one for modern Hornby locos at some point!
Cheers,
Sam :)
hi Sam just wanted to ask another question
How well do Triang and Mainline loco's run with the older style Hornby analogue controller (the ones that were used in the older train sets)
Hi mate, I find that tri-ang stuff runs just fine, but the Mainline stuff really isn't that great - they tend to need regular attention to run well!
Thanks for watching,
Sam :)
I don't think I am OCD - but why not just pour a small amount of lighter fluid into a shallow dish and dip the cotton buds in it. Saves a lot of mess and uses less lighter fluid.
Cool
Thank you! :D
if you ever find yourself in Newcastle check out our 100 year old grade 1 listed station
Thanks for that, I'll definitely check that out! :D
Cheers,
Sam :)
theres a plaque with a bit of info on main door wall sectionaswell
Hi, again, its John is your entire train set-up in the loft, i am a 56 year old man who's just unfortunately gone disabled, and I fancy getting back into model railway, i hope you don't mind me asking a few questions, i have just found the other week my sons Thomas the Tank engine with four wheels, you didn't answer my question last time i asked this, i do apologize if this sounds arsey, it isn't meant that way, I love all the stuff you do, which part of the UK are you in, i'm a Yorkshire man from Leeds, might not be able to reply to you straight away as I am dyslexic and it is my youngest son typing for me, cheers John.
Hi John, thanks for the message! I'm really sorry to hear that you've gone disabled - I really hope that you're still able to enjoy the Hobby the way you deserve to! I'm sorry if I didn't answer your question - I do try to reply to all my comments - and I've done a quick search, and I have answered all of yours in the past! Yes my entire train set is up in the loft! And yeah, I do know that Hornby (and maybe others) did create some 4-wheel Thomas models - but I thought those were clockwork! I'm in the Nottingham/Derby area of the UK!
Thanks for the comment as always, and do feel free to ask me any questions!
All the best,
Sam :)
Thanks for that cheers
Good of the steam train
Thanks very much! :D
Sam'sTrains no problem sir
Why not use a saucer or other small receptacle for your lighter fluid and then dip your cotton bud into the saucer far cleaner and more professional looking
tornado
Do you want to see how to service Tornado??
Yes I do if that okay
Do some exercise and maybe leave your train room and go outside every now and then 😉