KanalDerGutenSache what about augmented console where you have a virtual console projected into your room so you can play it the classic way without it taking up any space. 😮
@@jamesgrettoons414 you are correct. I would blame auto correct but nope this one was my mistake and all on me. And that makes me a sad shroomie. Esp since nintondo loof looks like a cool website. But a lesser man would edit his mistake. But I am a greater man, not a lesser man.
I would be willing to pay full price just to get Paper Mario TTYD on my Switch. I don't care if it's a remake, a rerelease or whatever, I'm just dying to have it now.
This has got to be one of the times I agree on literally everything Arlo says within a single video. To praise taking away the option makes no sense to me.
Sorry to reply twice, but Isaac Woods, you're wrong. ROMs are illegal. If you're playing homebrew or hacks (And there are a lot of hacks), it's perfectly fine. Another thing that is perfectly fine is ripping your own ISO/ROM, which is incredibly easy on Wii/Gamecube, and I believe DS/3DS.
Personally, I have faith we'll get classic games in the eshop. Not only would Nintendo gain profit from this on top of the online play, but I think there's a small, and somewhat rediculous reason they aren't going to call it the virtual console: Because you won't transfer games from your Wii U. It made sense (in their point of view) to give it the same name because the Wii and Wii U were made in mind to transfer to each other respectively, and virtual console games would (for the most part) transfer from Wii to Wii U, but now with the seperation of the Wii U and Switch, Nintendo thinks that it would be wise to call it something else so that little Timmy doesn't call Nintendo because he can play Mega Man on Wii U but not on Switch. So keep your eyes peel for the Smirtual Smonsole!
Because the 3DS was part of that same hardware cycle, they maintained consistency across all their platforms. The Switch is a clean break from all of them despite the 3DS still being supported. If they bring back individually purchasable classic games, they might just not have a naming convention like "Virtual Console" at all, they might just be identified by their specific platforms or their names as is. Or they'll use that "Archives" label like the NEOGEO and classic Nintendo arcade games do on the eShop already.
For those of you pointing out 3DS's difference in the Virtual Console but still called the same thing, it's one of the reasons why I call this decision ridiculous. It feels like something Nintendo would overlook and call something else. Heck, maybe it's to market as far away from the Wii U as possible. I have faith that we'll get some form of our lovely NES-Gamecube games in one form or another on the eShop, that would just be wasted potential if they don't.
We could get up and get out there, and do something about the lack of gaming respect for gamers. OR.....We could just say we will, and yet just live our lives comfortably, supporting the gaming Overlord that is Nintendo. :3
Nintendo REALLY dropped the ball in regards to classic games on Switch, and it hurts even more after they have done so much right with the system. The Switch is Nintendo's crown jewel console that has so many great games to play, but they couldn't be bothered to offer a service that they had on the Wii in 2006?! Without VC on Switch, a lot of people will just turn to emulation, whether it be on a PC or a hacked Switch. It doesn't make sense from a business standpoint, or a logical standpoint. They put old games on Switch, we buy them. It doesn't seem that hard to understand. Another possible issue with their cloud service games is that we might not be able to play them offline. If there's no way to download them at all, then we very well could only be playing them while connected to wifi, which would only make this terrible compromise worse.
BowserPower They have not dropped the ball. They still have SNES mini's on the market, and releasing a virtual console at this time would cannibalize that product at this time. I really don't see the big deal about virtual consoles on the Switch if Nintendo goes the route of putting classic titles on the eShop.
Psy-Crow Mantis You are thinking as just a video gamer instead of as a business. The virtual console could come down the road as soon as the SNES mini has run its course. The classic NES mini has run it's course, and now Nintendo is putting the classic NES service as an online perk. The SNES mini's are still on store shelves, so it makes sense why they aren't doing SNES yet. Give it a little time.
Lucifronz no need to call him an idiot. Besides, it totally make sense to not have a virtual console of they wanna sell us all those games progressively at full price like they did with donkey kong, or include them in a subscription as a meaningful perk instead of something you could just buy for less on the virtual console anyway. Yes it hurts but it makes sense as a business perspective. Just because some aren't happy doesn't mean they will get less money!
Lucifronz Yes it would compete and cannabalize their own products like I said, which is the SNES mini for home, and the 3DS virtual console for portable. They have the SNES mini's sitting right next to the Switch's and 3DS's at your local Wal-Mart right now. It's not as collectable as you think at this moment, like the NES mini was. Until Nintendo phases out these products, you will not see a virtual console on the Switch. If you want the old games that bad and can't wait, buy them on the eShop whenever they are available.
I really couldn't care less about NES games anymore But SNES, GBA, N64, Gamecube and even Wii games I want to see and own on the Switch! Pocky and Rocky is a fun and amazing SNES game. It would work perfect with the Switch because they could advertise how you can share a joycon to co-op. Gamecube games I have missed out on a lot. Please give me the chance to finally play Luigi's Mansion, Paper Mario, Path of Radiance, Baten Kaitos, Mario Sunshine AH! See how many great games I've missed out on?
@@jacobguy3343 Whenever Switch attempts to emulate GameCube it suffers from severe lag. There have been guys who have tested this & it's sad that the Switch isn't powerful enough for GameCube. Switch can emulate NES, SNES, & GBA though if that makes you feel better.
WaterKirby1994 if the Wii U can emulate wii games (twice as powerful as the GameCube) the switch being more powerful than Wii U can theoretically emulate GameCube games
@@johnfromsubway5868 Wii U doesn't emulate Wii games, it is an enhanced Wii that has exclusive games it can play. As for Switch people have tried to emulate GameCube games on it & there's always severe lag. Maybe the Switch will get an upgrade that will allow it to emulate Gamecube someday. However at the moment, it just isn't capable of emulating GameCube. Emulating takes a lot more processing power than normally playing a game on its intended system.
This feels like the old Nintendo "We are innovating new possibly crappy things you didn't ask for and throwing out the old thing that still works" mentality they have shown before and almost always ends in disaster.
Harry Strupp Every night I can feel my SNES... and my GameCube... even my Wii... they just, won't stop hurting. You feel it too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past...
This has upset me more than ANYTHING Nintendo has done lately. The virtual console on this new portable was the main selling point for me, and they didn't deliver. I'm gonna have to buy a 3DS again just for the SNES virtual console.
pfft, good luck with that there is hardly any snes games on the 3ds....do yourself a favor buy a Wii on the cheap and just mod the thing, thank me later...modding wii's nowadays are easy...
That doesn't help me put it in my pocket. I just play them on the PC at home. Also, since this comment was posted, I went out and bought a 2ds XL and have been happily playing Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario World lol.
@@TetraTheThief SNES games are not, unfortunately. NES games are in a silly streaming-ish service, but it sounds like less then 5% of the population is vaguely interested in them now
I think it's just a branding change: rumor has it it'll just be called Nintendo Classics, and titles will be purchased for less than what the Virtual Console model offered.
Good thing the Switch is so easily moddable. Just install homebrew and emulators and now you can play every game imaginable from nintendo consoles or otherwise. Ok, I don't advocate for emulation or piracy whatsoever, but because Nintendo decided to kill off the Virtual Console it gives people all the more reason to emulate any game on the switch. I don't plan on installing emulators on my switch but the fact that it's the SWITCH, is very easily moddable, and now that the Virtual Console is gone, I can't say that it isn't tempting. If Nintendo really wants to get rid of pirates (like all game companys should), they need to understand that they need to provide us easy ways to play retro games "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirate" -Gabe Newell
Yep and the firmware for homebrew will be release in June, nintendo messed up. I would much rather buy official versions of the game like I have numerous times before with the Wii, Wii U, and my 3DS, but if nintendo isn't giving me the option I am going to emulate them on my switch. I would have even bought the year sub for online if the virtual console was behind an online pay wall.
That's the thing though, Nintendo would much rather prefer giving you an extremely exploitative system & just use propaganda & legal violence to secure their marketshare instead of competing honestly. Emulation is not a bad thing, this is just like the bullshit companies used back in the radio days. "Pirate" radio stations were seen by people as not being legitimate because of establishment propaganda telling them that the only moral way to experience radio was through the "official" channels.
Stephen O'Brien Emulation is basically pirating since you're getting a product from the company for free without giving them any money for their hard work. Of course, emulation is not 100% a bad thing. I'm completely fine with mods such as Project M which is completely fan made and so doing so doesn't hurt Nintendo at all. But there are people out there who would much rather recieve a product for free due to lack of availability even if it is technically illegal. As of right now, the only way to play Gamecube games is to own a physical copy (which are no longer being produced meaning there is a limited number of such), or to emulate them. There are many people out there who have never played games like Super Mario Sunshine or Paper Mario TTYD because of this.
i know its unrealistic but i wish they would start releasing ds games on the switch. it would be a great experience to play them on the big screen. i really hate handhelds but the ds had a lot of great games that id like to play
"Old games should be available as-is for the people who never got to play them." "Yeah, the Switch has Neo Geo games, but I don't really care - I never had a Neo Geo." I think you've stumbled onto one of the reasons they're moving away from Virtual Console! Offering singleton retro games just doesn't do it for a lot of people, especially if they don't already have nostalgia for it. On the other hand, if they focus more on remakes and polished, unique compilation packages, they can make it more attractive for new fans and give existing ones a good excuse to rebuy.
I mean I don’t know what you were all expecting for an *online service* when virtual console is usually something added to the Eshop anyway. I’d imagine it would even be a while before VC even came out despite how advantageous it would be for them right now.
Considering it's already been a year since the Switch's release I just can't see them not at least adressing the issue of a Virtual Console replacement sometime soon, perhaps even at E3.
Darca1n I’d think for something this anticipated, they *would* wait until E3 or until they have a newer reason to but who’s to say it will even be VC? What if it’s like Megaman Legacy collection? I dunno I’m just out of ideas at this point ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I find it unbelievably stupid to not only discontinue Virtual Console (which has been around since the Wii) but to also not even MENTION it, 14 months into the Switch's life. I have no idea what they're thinking.
You were right. They messed up big with their system. They make you pay for the extended service to get the n64 games. At the end of the day Idc about Nintendo online, and only want 2 n64 games. It's terrible. Not to mention you HAVE to pay for the yearly subscription. There's not even an option to pay the 4 or 5 bucks to play the games for a month.
I've never felt much guilt emulating anything up to DS because Nintendo wouldn't be getting any money from me buying the physical game used anyway. They aren't manufacturing DS games anymore, they're all used at this point in 2nd hand game shops (GameStop, BullMoose, etc.) and all of the money goes to the company. 3DS games are still being distributed by Nintendo so I don't do those, but everything else is fair game.
+MrLegendofLP My rule of thumb is anything beyond the last two generations is fair game; they made their fair share of profits for the consoles the games were designed for, and so now it's irrelevant whether they're pirated. I do not see any real objection to this, and I don't give a rats ass about the legal matter.
+Jop V. Money spent for emulation on official hardware is mostly inconsequential. Age is wholly relevant, and arguably the only relevant factor as it sums up the entirety of factors behind game development and end sales for the hardware for which they were designed. Game sales for original hardware beyond two generations have largely diminished into oblivion, with end-sales usually _never_ making it to game developers. At this point it is irrelevant whether a game is pirated. When I said the money spent on official emulation is mostly inconsequential, I mean that the time and effort required to make an emulator to play old games is hardly even a drop in the bucket compared to the initial development costs of a single game. Once an emulator is generated, it can be used repeatedly for every single title (with some minor adjustments) from the target system. The actual games are not modified (in the vast majority of cases), so no money needs to be spent on porting, with costs largely covered by the initial investment in the emulator and subsequently the small-time costs for testing emulated titles and tweaking emulation parameters. In conclusion: what I'm saying is that pirating a game beyond two generations *cannot* harm the game makers by _any significant margin_ . The expenses for emulation and testing are minimal, and the initial investment in developing the game and selling for original hardware _has already run its course_ . Potential sales for reselling a game are irrelevant. There isn't really a risk for losses. Only profit. Nice, lazy profit. If Nintendo is angry at my pirating their old games, then boo-fucking-hoo. I'd only be paying for their emulator, and I'd rather just use someone else's that is freely available.
oh now i get the Joke. Because there are so many WiiU Games on the Switch XD I thought you meant that there is only a VC on the WiiU. But well. There is at least one GB and 2 SNES Games on the Switch right now. With the Seiken Densetsu Collection.
Gorgo the Orc classic Virtual Console would be GREAT for the Switch, but Nintendo is being smart about this one, they can make more money with their online service alone than the whole Virtual Console. I feel betrayed by nintendo right now, this isn't something they would normally do, this kind of business practice is something EA would pull off, not Nintendo. Fuck...Iwata wouldnt have allowed this.
Benji B. Vc not being in is a bummer, but you should definitely get one. It has an amazing library of games including (debatably) the best 3d mario and zelda and you can take them wherever you want! Still if you can't/ don't want to I understand
Honestly, I regret buying one myself. Kirby was underwhelming, BotW can't even be called a Zelda game, and Odyssey feels watered down when compared to either of the Galaxy games or even Sunshine. The Switch doesn't even feel like a Nintendo console anymore.
@@jonathanwilliams1271 idk if you're being sarcastic or not but this is 100% how I feel. Other than watered down franchise entries and Wii U ports, the Switch doesn't offer much, especially at the $300 price point. Like I could've put that money towards a Wii U, got BotW, all the ports like MK and DK AND have virtual console (along with free online). It may be more successful than the Wii U, but its definitely a step back.
I just want to comment on the idea of the idea of "more options is always better. While, sure, a smart consumer could probably pick out the smartest options for themselves, often people just want to get to use whatever they've bought. This exact principle applies heavily to games. For example, micro transactions feed on the weaker decision-making skills of the audiences they're targeting, which is usually younger kids. Sure, they have the option to NOT buy these micro transactions, but the temptation beats the advice from their parents. And while Nintendo doesn't necessarily prey on their consumers weakness, a lot of these issues can apply- especially when stakes like money are a factor. For example, maybe someone thinks of it as an obligation to purchase a certain game they remember liking. I often fall into cases where I choose something simply out of obligation, even if my heart lies otherwise. Or another scenario is someone thinking they only want "one game" from the classic service, only to discover they may want another or another, and since they permanently put the money into that one game, they can't switch back to the service instead. This may be an especially big problem since the waves of games that come out. For example, if later GameCube games start getting added and someone who dropped money for some nes games earlier wants them, now they'll either spend more money to get less games or get the service, and will have accidentally wasted a bit of extra money on the new game. So, in short, while a smart consumer could probably use more options well, often people don't put enough thought into a purchase and that sort of freedom could turn out to hurt them. That's why I don't necessarily think the argument for "more options" is always very valid.
I feel like this is more of a greedy move, since it forces users who *don't* want a subscription to the online service to get one anyways, even if they don't play online.
All I want is at least SNES and N64 games to be included in this NESflix service. Please, Nintendo. WHY didn’t you announce them? Are they really not coming? Obviously Gamecube games would be fantastic as well, but..I won’t get my hopes up when Nintendo won’t even say if freaking SNES games are on the way. Seriously.
Snes is where the big profit is for them. nostalgic jrpg fans. They're testing the waters with the minor money maker so it can be perfected by the time snes comes along. Or do you expect them to open the negotiation with their best offer?
Paige Wilson They mentioned SNES games would be considered last year actually, so I do expect them to come eventually. At least SNES. They even said last year that it would launch with just NES games at first, so I don’t think anythings changed since then. SNES is probably coming..I just wish it sounded more confirmed rather than ‘probably’ or ‘maybe’ NES and SNES games via subscription, while you can own them with NES mini and SNES mini. That’s probably Nintendo’s reasoning for how they’re doing this.
4 emulators were discovered as part of the Switch Online service, NES & SNES along with 2 others that we can only speculate the identity of. Unfortunately Switch isn't powerful enough to emulate a modern console like GameCube, however we may get GBA or N64 over the next 2 years.
I think this DOESN'T mean no way to play NES, SNES, N64, GCN, GB, GBC, or GBA on the Switch. I think it means it won't be called "Virtual Console". Eventually, something called somthing like the "Retro Revivals", and it would be relesed like "Arcade Archives" with added online play. It would also probably be released in cartage bundles that would be like the Mega Man Legacy Collections. Edit: They might just add more classic games that aren't on NES to the online library.
Chaos89P n64 games never exceeded 64 MB and GC capped out around 1.5 GB so... That being said, 256 N64 games could fit into an 8 GB cart, which is a vast majority, if not the whole 64 library.
Savage J20 That was actually my point. Literally hundreds of NES games can easily be fit into a 1 GB thumbstick. Even with a UI to tie them all together, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo could easily fit nearly all mainline Super Mario games and a few spinoffs up to Super Mario Sunshine into a Switch card.
I am equally as baffled!! I get the control conversion takis a little time...but my gosh, I DREAM of N64 and GC games on the Switch. It would be absolute heaven!
I think this is, at worst, a test. The fact is, there may well be a better way to distribute old games than the Virtual Console. So they're going to test a new system to see if it works better. And pass or fail, they're going to put a lot more classic games on the Switch in some form. I really *REALLY* can't believe that a few old NES games are all we're going to get on the Switch, one way or another. And if the new system turns out to be somewhat crappy and/or the classic games we really want never show up, then it's like you yourself said in your In Defense of Ports video, Arlo. Those old systems with their old games still exist, and you can still play them there. Sure it would kind of suck that we can't just use the Switch to play everything, but it's not like you've lost these games for all time. You'll just have to put up with the first-world inconvenience of keeping your old game consoles.
SNES games have been confirmed & it was discovered there are 4 emulators as part of the Switch Online service. I'm sure that a few years from now we'll have hundreds of games as part of Switch Online.
With the service being as cheap as it is, I don't see a problem with a hypothetical monthly gaming service. That being said, I'd take classic games on the Switch in any way I can, as long as the price is fair and good games are there
I find the monthly service plan very intriguing, honestly. I mean, yeah, I'd still prefer to be able to pay what i want for what games I want (or heaven forbid actually transfer already purchased games from the Wii U or 3DS to the Switch), but I'm willing to give the service a chance. Especially if the stock of games you get access to grows as the service ages.
kinda wish the service costed 20 more dollars so we could at least hope for not garbage online services... might be shaky but they are charging for it, so here's hoping for the best
I hope they're just focusing on the NES b/c it's the easiest to start with. My personal vision is this service will eventually evolve into a complete library, bigger and better than VC was because everything is there instead of being drip fed for years. Yes if you stop paying you won't have access, but that's pretty fair.
Am i the only one who would love a subscription-based VC? Trying new games would be easier. No rebuying. Keeping subscribers happy would force Nintendo to release games frequently,. When the Switch is old and no longer online you don't lose stuff you paid for. No system transfers needed. No bringing your console because your friend doesn't own a certain game.
That last point doesn't make sense -- you can't access your own Nintendo account from another person's Nintendo system. That would make game sharing *really* easy
Nintendo said before switch came out that they plan it to be a part of their online service because otherwise we must buy it again and again on every console. Many ppl forgot or miss that part
Nintendo couldn’t bring the VC forward. The reason being, I’m fairly sure that from now on, all our digital games are going to follow us to the next console. Nintendo couldn’t “allow” us to own these games on the Switch. It was going to lose them too much money.
You know it would be kinda funny if Nintendo pulled a bait and switch with this. We spend the next month bummed out about this, then at E3 we find out that they were either: A) pulling a fast one, or B) they present the alternative, and it is GLORIOUS!!!... but we should be pessimistic so at the very least we won’t be disappointed.
I mean, Nintendo IS the king of the unexpected. E3 will be very interesting I'm sure. Or maybe because I said that, it'll be boring as shit! Who knows, it's Nintendo!
Wii isn't happening, at all. Or maybe remasters but not a "VC" or something like it. I see Nintendo releasing classic game collections (like the NES ones) for multiple systems on the Switch. (Up to the N64, and all gameboys). But not GameCube (no anlog triggers), Wii or DS games.
The Wii U had Wii games for download and they weren't labeled Virtual Console. I think that's kind of an important distinction to remember, especially with this discussion.
I think they’re replacing the flawed virtual console system with Netflix styled NES Switch Online, they’ll release more consoles for the platform on the way most likely
Actually.... If they fill out their catalog with a ton of games, a Netflix format might work. Pay a monthly fee for unlimited access to hundreds of games you can simply download and play. Like if GameFly wasn't solely delivery based.
I have a hunch that maybe they are building towards a tiered system... like the 20$ would get you only NES games... but add 10$ and get also SNES/N64 games.... add another 10$ and get also Gamecube/GBA games.
Since this whole thing started coming up with the Switch I've always found it odd how people treat the Virtual Console like this very distinct almost physical thing instead of just practically being a brand for "Classic games on the eShop". Obviously I understand people's frustrations not getting these classic games after over a year since the console's release as Nintendo had at least drip-fed them on previous consoles, and I also understand the frustrations with the cryptic way news has rolled out about it and the uncertainty of what games we'll be able to play, but it just seems odd how the one thing people are so fixated on is very specifically the Virtual Console brand. Either way there is a lot to be worried about, so I'm not trying to dismiss people's concerns. Perhaps it just feels odd because different people seem to have different views on what the Virtual Console actually was, ranging from extremes such as my stance of just being a brand for porting classic games, and others acting as if the eShop needs to have NES, SNES, N64, NGC and everything else before the service is a form of "Virtual Console". Meanwhile the Neo Geo ports on the Switch get glossed over during all this, because no one thinks of the 3rd party implications of not going with the Virtual Console brand, it is my belief that lacking a distinct brand for classics on the Switch might actually be helping other companies feel like they can put their classics on the system without the fear of complications of not being part of some form of Virtual Console branding or without feeling overshadowed due to the Virtual Console branding.
Yeah, I find this really odd too. The entire video I was just thinking 'But... Neo Geo games ARE on the eshop?' We basically still have the Virtual Console without it being called that- the games just need to be added- that's the only issue. It's not that classic games physically can't appear on the Switch, it's just that they're probably not going to appear under the name Virtual Console, and they need to be added already!
{MLP} Rainbow Dash no I haven't and I love my wii too much to do that, thanks all the same though. But I'm perfectly happy just playing my gc games as I always have done^_^
Most modern smartphones are easily capable of emulating Wii and GC games. Oh well, I'll be enjoying my Melee and Super Mario Sunshine on the go without a Switch.
Why would you wanna play Melee or sunshine on mobile? The controls would be tacky and those games require a big FOV, you're gonna have a hard time seeing everything.
I thought it was just the *name* "Virtual Console" that wouldn't carry over to the Switch. I feel like this is just a big misinterpretation of what Nintendo is trying to do in this regard.
Also, it’s apparently important that Nintendo already have all the work done on all the games, for all the systems, period, before the service even launches. People acting like paid online services don’t grow over time or span across consoles. You think XBOX live is suddenly going to disappear because the Xbone isn’t doing well? Nope. Once Nintendo ports these games over into the new online service they’re there, ready to play, forever. Mark my words.
Awesome video Arlo! You have got to be the smartest and wisest puppet in all of TH-cam. Not only did you respond to important topics, you did so with wisdom and fundamentally useful quotes. I'll personally wait and see what comes out this September, but it would be nice to have a service and buy the games.
I honestly just want to know why Nintendo does not include virtual consuls on in nintendoswitch like game boy game boy color game boy Advanced etc. those are all key game systems in Nintendo‘s history
@@goodmilk6097 I know! Stop punishing people for NOT wanting to pirate games. I don't have much against the pirate community, if Nintendo doesn't want our money, then that's on them. However I just want to buy legitimate copies of the games I wanna play. I don't really care about NES or SNES games outside of Zelda games that's there. Just let us buy what we want.
What's that? Nintendo is ignoring their fans and making illogical business decisions? SHOCKING! Give me a second to pick my jaw up off the floor. *eye roll*
Preach, Arlo! The switch is my first Nintendo game since the Gamecube, due to college/budgets/etc. And on the gamecube I somehow missed the Zelda/Marios that were on it. VC would be amazing so I could pick up Mario Sunshine, Galaxy, the Paper Marios, and all of the Zeldas that I never got to enjoy.
I feel people are reading far to into it. It's just name name brand that is going away while they will continually update the monthly service to give more free games as they go along.
They will probably have them separately for purchase as well. The key point of the announcement was that they weren't going to use that brand anymore, not that they weren't going to sell the older games as downloads anymore.
Arlo is just the best, sometimes I'm not actually interested in the topic you will talk about but after watching your videos are both entertaining and informative. Keep it up! :D
There are two ways around this: 1. The old school games are released free as part of the online subscription. 2. Release a game(s) similar to the NES/SNES mini that plays several old school games, not just with NES and SNES, but Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, DS, Nintendo 64, and GameCube. Then whichever route they go, you can play online with it, so let’s say they decide to make a Nintendo 64 pack: you can play people online at Mario Party, Pokemon Stadium and GoldenEye 64 (If Rare gives the okay). If either of these happen, it would be an instant success.
mega sean I haven't played the Arcade Archives games, but what if they took that sort of approach? Aka, throwing out the unified Virtual Console, but still releasing old games, occasionally updated slightly. Such as "N64 Archives Paper Mario", for example
The Switch can run Linux, so you can just install Dolphin directly onto the system. You do need to grab a wireless controller with analog triggers and some kind of a dongle for said controller for some of the GameCube games though.
It's odd they dropped it. They knew classic games are perfect for on the go. So they decided to drop it now for no good reason. I never had the money to buy any games for it but I understood how nice the virtual console was. We can only hope for a good alternative. I do like the idea of multiple collections of games. As long as it's not like the mega man collections where half is physical and the other is digital.
The biggest thing for me is just being able to buy the few games I like & have them on the go. Hell there are several games I own just for the portable aspect. The Switch is a fantastic system. Home & portable console. Its been a long time since I was impressed by technology & even longer since I was fully on bored with one of Nintendo's gimmicks. I'd like to be able to play the few old games I adore on this system. I have no intention of paying for their service. Maybe for a bit when Monster Hunter comes out for it. But that's because I have to not because I want to. I pay for enough services. I don't need yet another one.
I'm gonna wait till E3 passes and the online service comes out, see what Nintendo is planing before jumping the "THIS IS A DISASTER" bandwagon or conciser "cracking open my console" to get classic games from SNES to Gamecube to Wii-U. I'm sure there coming, the only quston is when and how... That sead I think Nintendo's classic mini console line and the continuation of the 3DS into 2019 and beyond might have something to do with why they are going this route
The beginning of this video (the Edgelord part and the segway to the "normal Arlo") is really well done. You are certainly improving your comedian skills. Keep up the good work.
Project DAE : I think they aren't doing Virtual Console because the idea behind VC was a true to original experience. But I think they want to separate from that and have them all enhanced to be a bit more modern like a bump in resolution and online multiplayer/leader boards.
+Arlo Hey Arlo, you mentioned about being able to game on the go with the Switch as a reason for the *Virtual Console* to make so much sense to have on the system. I kind of agree with that sentiment since it takes the concept of that library to the next step with an on the go system. I grew up with a Gameboy and then a Gameboy Color. Most of my friends had one as well, so Game Link 2 player games like tennis, pokemon, double dragon, mortal kombat 2 were a lot of fun and felt like a step in the right direction for gaming in general. You had more multiplayer Gameboy games with the arrival of the Gameboy advance (titles like Zelda 4 Swords come to mind ) but you could see the potential.
It is the next logical step:
Physical Console
Virtual Console
No Console
This should be higher. Just saying.
You forgot Spiritual Console
KanalDerGutenSache then mental console
KanalDerGutenSache what about augmented console where you have a virtual console projected into your room so you can play it the classic way without it taking up any space. 😮
You forgot the last step:
Butternut squash
Arlo is feeling blue...
wait...
Hehehehehhehehehhehehe
Lol
Styx66 stop
😆😆😆
Get out. Seriously. Get outta here.
Nice website.
Nintendo Life uhhh no the via credit clearly says nintendo loof good sir.
Nintendo Life hello Nintendo life 😀😁
@@jamesgrettoons414 you are correct. I would blame auto correct but nope this one was my mistake and all on me. And that makes me a sad shroomie. Esp since nintondo loof looks like a cool website. But a lesser man would edit his mistake. But I am a greater man, not a lesser man.
Hello there lovely peeeeeeeeeeople
Why'd you feature a Josh Thomas video?
0:01 it's a rainy day arlo, you know what that means. It's time to see if your shoes still fit.
I'm legitimately curious now if people actually get this reference.
Leonardo DaVincEat?
I have no idea could you tell me where it’s from?
Considering arlo took the channel link off his youtube channel, I don't know if he'd want me to link it.
Reference please.
I would be willing to pay full price just to get Paper Mario TTYD on my Switch. I don't care if it's a remake, a rerelease or whatever, I'm just dying to have it now.
Minus Bros. Ive never played the game, but if i do i want to only upgrade badge points....
I have a copy of my own and I am 159% sure I would buy it again if it was re-released or remastered on Switch.
Please no. Don't even suggest that. $60 for a nearly two decade old game is just begging for piracy.
Honestly same, it's the only reason I have my gamecube still hooked up to my TV. That game is so well made.
Minus Bros. Ikr
This has got to be one of the times I agree on literally everything Arlo says within a single video. To praise taking away the option makes no sense to me.
Welp,
Don’t have to feel guilty about using emulators anymore
Not that I ever was...
You’re a terrible person.
You're a reasonable person.
Understandable. Nintendo sucks towards their fanbase, so the fanbase can suck towards them.
Sorry to reply twice, but Isaac Woods, you're wrong. ROMs are illegal. If you're playing homebrew or hacks (And there are a lot of hacks), it's perfectly fine. Another thing that is perfectly fine is ripping your own ISO/ROM, which is incredibly easy on Wii/Gamecube, and I believe DS/3DS.
I haven’t seen you in forever! U still doing wwe finisher videos?
Personally, I have faith we'll get classic games in the eshop. Not only would Nintendo gain profit from this on top of the online play, but I think there's a small, and somewhat rediculous reason they aren't going to call it the virtual console: Because you won't transfer games from your Wii U.
It made sense (in their point of view) to give it the same name because the Wii and Wii U were made in mind to transfer to each other respectively, and virtual console games would (for the most part) transfer from Wii to Wii U, but now with the seperation of the Wii U and Switch, Nintendo thinks that it would be wise to call it something else so that little Timmy doesn't call Nintendo because he can play Mega Man on Wii U but not on Switch.
So keep your eyes peel for the Smirtual Smonsole!
Except the 3DS's emulator was already called the Virtual Console and had a different library of games than the WiiU's, so naming convention is moot.
Because the 3DS was part of that same hardware cycle, they maintained consistency across all their platforms. The Switch is a clean break from all of them despite the 3DS still being supported. If they bring back individually purchasable classic games, they might just not have a naming convention like "Virtual Console" at all, they might just be identified by their specific platforms or their names as is. Or they'll use that "Archives" label like the NEOGEO and classic Nintendo arcade games do on the eShop already.
Good call
For those of you pointing out 3DS's difference in the Virtual Console but still called the same thing, it's one of the reasons why I call this decision ridiculous. It feels like something Nintendo would overlook and call something else.
Heck, maybe it's to market as far away from the Wii U as possible. I have faith that we'll get some form of our lovely NES-Gamecube games in one form or another on the eShop, that would just be wasted potential if they don't.
whoops
Who needs virtual console, I'd much rather spend $70 on a few pieces of cardboard.
Catman Thanks for noticing, I try 😁
For anyone wondering if I was serious, I made a review of the Labo experience. Its phenomenal.
LOL
"A few"
jajaj,,,naaa?
E3 is in a MONTH? AHHHHHHHHHHH
Iceman World Network IT IS?! OHHHHHH MYYYYYYY GAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWD!
AAAAAAAAAAA- *cues the oddly relaxing music for what just occurred*
29 days 12 hours and 2 minutes left...
Free will is a sham. If Nintendo releases something like a Mario Maker port to the switch, there is no way around it, I will buy it.
S_ Hussain4646 I think that's because most of us saw it as a snarky comment to snicker at and then move on, maybe after giving it a like.
Haha determinism!
Absolutely. I never played it because I wasn't will to but a Wii U for one or two games.
We could get up and get out there, and do something about the lack of gaming respect for gamers.
OR.....We could just say we will, and yet just live our lives comfortably, supporting the gaming Overlord that is Nintendo. :3
Mario maker without a proper dpad are you kidding?
Nintendo REALLY dropped the ball in regards to classic games on Switch, and it hurts even more after they have done so much right with the system. The Switch is Nintendo's crown jewel console that has so many great games to play, but they couldn't be bothered to offer a service that they had on the Wii in 2006?! Without VC on Switch, a lot of people will just turn to emulation, whether it be on a PC or a hacked Switch. It doesn't make sense from a business standpoint, or a logical standpoint. They put old games on Switch, we buy them. It doesn't seem that hard to understand.
Another possible issue with their cloud service games is that we might not be able to play them offline. If there's no way to download them at all, then we very well could only be playing them while connected to wifi, which would only make this terrible compromise worse.
BowserPower They have not dropped the ball. They still have SNES mini's on the market, and releasing a virtual console at this time would cannibalize that product at this time.
I really don't see the big deal about virtual consoles on the Switch if Nintendo goes the route of putting classic titles on the eShop.
Psy-Crow Mantis You are thinking as just a video gamer instead of as a business. The virtual console could come down the road as soon as the SNES mini has run its course. The classic NES mini has run it's course, and now Nintendo is putting the classic NES service as an online perk. The SNES mini's are still on store shelves, so it makes sense why they aren't doing SNES yet. Give it a little time.
Two steps forward, one step back. That's Nintendo's motto.
Lucifronz no need to call him an idiot. Besides, it totally make sense to not have a virtual console of they wanna sell us all those games progressively at full price like they did with donkey kong, or include them in a subscription as a meaningful perk instead of something you could just buy for less on the virtual console anyway. Yes it hurts but it makes sense as a business perspective. Just because some aren't happy doesn't mean they will get less money!
Lucifronz Yes it would compete and cannabalize their own products like I said, which is the SNES mini for home, and the 3DS virtual console for portable. They have the SNES mini's sitting right next to the Switch's and 3DS's at your local Wal-Mart right now. It's not as collectable as you think at this moment, like the NES mini was. Until Nintendo phases out these products, you will not see a virtual console on the Switch. If you want the old games that bad and can't wait, buy them on the eShop whenever they are available.
I really couldn't care less about NES games anymore
But SNES, GBA, N64, Gamecube and even Wii games I want to see and own on the Switch!
Pocky and Rocky is a fun and amazing SNES game. It would work perfect with the Switch because they could advertise how you can share a joycon to co-op.
Gamecube games I have missed out on a lot. Please give me the chance to finally play Luigi's Mansion, Paper Mario, Path of Radiance, Baten Kaitos, Mario Sunshine AH! See how many great games I've missed out on?
penandtag2 same
id pass on Baten Kaitos these were "okay" RPGs nothing steller, Id love to play Kartia on Switch freaking loved that game
Metroid Prime 1 and 2 on switch. I would happily pay $500 for that.
Agreed. I wanted to try out some of the GameCube games I did not revive the chance
HiveTyrant36 I want those to and especially before Metroid Prime 4 is released.
Virtual console: I don’t feel so good... *Fades away*
CT10Carlos - best comment I've seen all day
I'm sorry Mr. Arlo...
CT10Carlos - What is this a reference to? I keep constantly hearing that quote around the internet.
I don’t get why this is a meme.
ÐαηΐεŁ328 DT infinity war
4:35 They DO come to your house and force you though, men in black suits show up and say "Wii would like to play" lol
lol
Why do you think everybody accepts, as they're private motto says:
If U refuse, Wii will get the Yakuza on U.
Yeah, but they don't say "Wii will make U buy V.C. games. NOW!" XDDD
EnterTheLyon The nintendo ninjas are real brudda
Daaaaaammmn boi, you remember that shit LOL kudos
That intro was good. I like how he pushed the other panel/screen
Hopefully with the lack of the Virtual Boy they’ll finally bring out the Virtual Girl. It’s 2018, come on Nintendo. Get with the times
The Arlo Fan Community Not even.
They need to release the Virtual Non-Binary Gender Fluid Console.
The Arlo Fan Community I know right
Virtual Arlo xD
Boo! Hiss! Boo!
Yeah referring to it as female os mpre modern because... um... wat?
You know what I see when Nintendo isn’t putting a Virtual Console on the Switch?
Yeah, go ahead and emulate. See if we care.
I agree
2:52, Arlo, I’d be waiting for a call from Nintendo, I think you just found the idea they were looking for.
The Shmirtual Shmonsole!
At least the Wii U has a use now.... horray(?)
emulator, wii.
JT Nixon Until Nintendo pulls a Tropical Freeze and gets rid of all the VC games. "It's just a glitch, guys. Please understand."
They could have sold this game as just a n64 and super nintendo emulator, so wtf are they thinking
Devyn Coleman Yet people were forbidden to talk about the virtual boy yet there are people on the internet talking about it
Benjigoo And at this point most of what is worth playing is now either on Switch, or is going to be on Switch. Among other platforms.
I just want to play super mario sunshine, Luigi’s mansion, Metroid prime, and chibi robo again...
Sadly the Switch isn't powerful enough to emulate GameCube games. Maybe in 7 years we'll get the GameCube Classic for the system's 25th anniversary?
@@WaterKirby1994 how is it not powerful enough?
@@jacobguy3343 Whenever Switch attempts to emulate GameCube it suffers from severe lag. There have been guys who have tested this & it's sad that the Switch isn't powerful enough for GameCube. Switch can emulate NES, SNES, & GBA though if that makes you feel better.
WaterKirby1994 if the Wii U can emulate wii games (twice as powerful as the GameCube) the switch being more powerful than Wii U can theoretically emulate GameCube games
@@johnfromsubway5868 Wii U doesn't emulate Wii games, it is an enhanced Wii that has exclusive games it can play. As for Switch people have tried to emulate GameCube games on it & there's always severe lag.
Maybe the Switch will get an upgrade that will allow it to emulate Gamecube someday. However at the moment, it just isn't capable of emulating GameCube. Emulating takes a lot more processing power than normally playing a game on its intended system.
Nintendo: Should have aimed for the head.
Virtual Console: Mr. Stark I don't feel so good...
odd sock this meme is good but tbh I can't wait fot it to die
So Thor the Sith Lord failed to improve the Switch?
This feels like the old Nintendo "We are innovating new possibly crappy things you didn't ask for and throwing out the old thing that still works" mentality they have shown before and almost always ends in disaster.
The new management is all about fleecing the sheep.
Awesomeness11 Yeah like they did with the Wii, Total Disaster.
And that crap DS.
Yes, this innovative online service that has the features of a PS2 era system. Very innovative.
I said almost always ends in disaster I was thinking about stuff like star-fox zero and metroid federation force.
I really hope Nintendo changes their mind on this. Having more, not less games available to play on one platform is only a positive in my opinion.
Is it just me, or does anyone else want to hug Arlo?
Everyone wants to hug Arlo!
So soft...
Who wants to sneeze on him
Maddox Bellrose wait
So fluffy...
That thumbnail made me wonder whats the point anymore
An Onixpected Trainer Approaches why are we still here, just to suffer
Harry Strupp Every night I can feel my SNES... and my GameCube... even my Wii... they just, won't stop hurting. You feel it too, don't you? I'm gonna make them give back our past...
This has upset me more than ANYTHING Nintendo has done lately. The virtual console on this new portable was the main selling point for me, and they didn't deliver. I'm gonna have to buy a 3DS again just for the SNES virtual console.
pfft, good luck with that there is hardly any snes games on the 3ds....do yourself a favor buy a Wii on the cheap and just mod the thing, thank me later...modding wii's nowadays are easy...
That doesn't help me put it in my pocket. I just play them on the PC at home. Also, since this comment was posted, I went out and bought a 2ds XL and have been happily playing Donkey Kong Country and Super Mario World lol.
Mod the wii or were you referring to the Wii U?
Hey, update; SNES games and NES games are on switch.... But it's part of a horrible system :(
@@TetraTheThief SNES games are not, unfortunately. NES games are in a silly streaming-ish service, but it sounds like less then 5% of the population is vaguely interested in them now
I think it's just a branding change: rumor has it it'll just be called Nintendo Classics, and titles will be purchased for less than what the Virtual Console model offered.
Good thing the Switch is so easily moddable. Just install homebrew and emulators and now you can play every game imaginable from nintendo consoles or otherwise.
Ok, I don't advocate for emulation or piracy whatsoever, but because Nintendo decided to kill off the Virtual Console it gives people all the more reason to emulate any game on the switch. I don't plan on installing emulators on my switch but the fact that it's the SWITCH, is very easily moddable, and now that the Virtual Console is gone, I can't say that it isn't tempting.
If Nintendo really wants to get rid of pirates (like all game companys should), they need to understand that they need to provide us easy ways to play retro games
"The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirate"
-Gabe Newell
Agreed
Yep and the firmware for homebrew will be release in June, nintendo messed up. I would much rather buy official versions of the game like I have numerous times before with the Wii, Wii U, and my 3DS, but if nintendo isn't giving me the option I am going to emulate them on my switch. I would have even bought the year sub for online if the virtual console was behind an online pay wall.
That's the thing though, Nintendo would much rather prefer giving you an extremely exploitative system & just use propaganda & legal violence to secure their marketshare instead of competing honestly. Emulation is not a bad thing, this is just like the bullshit companies used back in the radio days. "Pirate" radio stations were seen by people as not being legitimate because of establishment propaganda telling them that the only moral way to experience radio was through the "official" channels.
Stephen O'Brien
Emulation is basically pirating since you're getting a product from the company for free without giving them any money for their hard work. Of course, emulation is not 100% a bad thing. I'm completely fine with mods such as Project M which is completely fan made and so doing so doesn't hurt Nintendo at all. But there are people out there who would much rather recieve a product for free due to lack of availability even if it is technically illegal. As of right now, the only way to play Gamecube games is to own a physical copy (which are no longer being produced meaning there is a limited number of such), or to emulate them. There are many people out there who have never played games like Super Mario Sunshine or Paper Mario TTYD because of this.
Emulation itself is not and will never be piracy...... The way you get the Rom or ISO can be though.
i know its unrealistic but i wish they would start releasing ds games on the switch. it would be a great experience to play them on the big screen. i really hate handhelds but the ds had a lot of great games that id like to play
"Old games should be available as-is for the people who never got to play them."
"Yeah, the Switch has Neo Geo games, but I don't really care - I never had a Neo Geo."
I think you've stumbled onto one of the reasons they're moving away from Virtual Console! Offering singleton retro games just doesn't do it for a lot of people, especially if they don't already have nostalgia for it. On the other hand, if they focus more on remakes and polished, unique compilation packages, they can make it more attractive for new fans and give existing ones a good excuse to rebuy.
I mean I don’t know what you were all expecting for an *online service* when virtual console is usually something added to the Eshop anyway. I’d imagine it would even be a while before VC even came out despite how advantageous it would be for them right now.
Considering it's already been a year since the Switch's release I just can't see them not at least adressing the issue of a Virtual Console replacement sometime soon, perhaps even at E3.
Darca1n I’d think for something this anticipated, they *would* wait until E3 or until they have a newer reason to but who’s to say it will even be VC? What if it’s like Megaman Legacy collection? I dunno I’m just out of ideas at this point ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I find it unbelievably stupid to not only discontinue Virtual Console (which has been around since the Wii) but to also not even MENTION it, 14 months into the Switch's life. I have no idea what they're thinking.
Nate Haviland can you play old systems using the service
..do you guys just not watch the video?
You were right. They messed up big with their system. They make you pay for the extended service to get the n64 games. At the end of the day Idc about Nintendo online, and only want 2 n64 games. It's terrible. Not to mention you HAVE to pay for the yearly subscription. There's not even an option to pay the 4 or 5 bucks to play the games for a month.
If I cannot play Plok for the SNES then I don't care.
zeoxdragon THANK GOD SOMEONE ELSE KNOWS THIS GAME
I thought im the only person on earth who was playing this game as a kid
NightmareApes - Der Weg zu deinen Albträumen I have it too.
Luxray Volt 989 It’s mostly known for the soundtrack.
I feel the same...
Alright, if Nintendo doesn't want my money for VC games, I feel 0 guilt using an emulator for the games that aren't available on my 3DS.
I've never felt much guilt emulating anything up to DS because Nintendo wouldn't be getting any money from me buying the physical game used anyway. They aren't manufacturing DS games anymore, they're all used at this point in 2nd hand game shops (GameStop, BullMoose, etc.) and all of the money goes to the company. 3DS games are still being distributed by Nintendo so I don't do those, but everything else is fair game.
MrLegendofLP same here
+MrLegendofLP My rule of thumb is anything beyond the last two generations is fair game; they made their fair share of profits for the consoles the games were designed for, and so now it's irrelevant whether they're pirated. I do not see any real objection to this, and I don't give a rats ass about the legal matter.
+Jop V. Money spent for emulation on official hardware is mostly inconsequential. Age is wholly relevant, and arguably the only relevant factor as it sums up the entirety of factors behind game development and end sales for the hardware for which they were designed.
Game sales for original hardware beyond two generations have largely diminished into oblivion, with end-sales usually _never_ making it to game developers. At this point it is irrelevant whether a game is pirated.
When I said the money spent on official emulation is mostly inconsequential, I mean that the time and effort required to make an emulator to play old games is hardly even a drop in the bucket compared to the initial development costs of a single game. Once an emulator is generated, it can be used repeatedly for every single title (with some minor adjustments) from the target system. The actual games are not modified (in the vast majority of cases), so no money needs to be spent on porting, with costs largely covered by the initial investment in the emulator and subsequently the small-time costs for testing emulated titles and tweaking emulation parameters.
In conclusion: what I'm saying is that pirating a game beyond two generations *cannot* harm the game makers by _any significant margin_ . The expenses for emulation and testing are minimal, and the initial investment in developing the game and selling for original hardware _has already run its course_ . Potential sales for reselling a game are irrelevant. There isn't really a risk for losses. Only profit. Nice, lazy profit.
If Nintendo is angry at my pirating their old games, then boo-fucking-hoo. I'd only be paying for their emulator, and I'd rather just use someone else's that is freely available.
Or how about you don't pirate at all and accept the company's decisions.
Filthy pirates.
That intro is golden. It always pops into my head every now and then lol. It’s my exact feelings toward us still not having a direct yet smh
Y’all are silly. There is a VC right now. It’s just they’ve only covered one system at the moment:
The WiiU
and 3DS
You mean NeoGeo
wiiztec oh yeah they do have a bunch of those games. I guess it’s the WiiU and the NeoGeo then.
oh now i get the Joke. Because there are so many WiiU Games on the Switch XD I thought you meant that there is only a VC on the WiiU. But well. There is at least one GB and 2 SNES Games on the Switch right now. With the Seiken Densetsu Collection.
RetroProGamer ;)
It's like they're allergic to money! Seriously! PORTABLE Classic games. ON THE GO.
C'mon nintendo, for christ's sakes!
Gorgo the Orc ikr
To be fair, portable classic games still happened on the 3ds
Something else to note is that the the hardware that the Switch has could emulate games just fine.
Gorgo the Orc classic Virtual Console would be GREAT for the Switch, but Nintendo is being smart about this one, they can make more money with their online service alone than the whole Virtual Console.
I feel betrayed by nintendo right now, this isn't something they would normally do, this kind of business practice is something EA would pull off, not Nintendo. Fuck...Iwata wouldnt have allowed this.
I understand they can make bank with the online service, but why not both? Seriously, it wouldn't hurt!
9:13 “Go back in time and erase the Virtual Console from the Wii and Wii U…”
…oops.
I've been considering buying a Switch for a while, but this news has actually made me less likely to do so.
Benji B. Vc not being in is a bummer, but you should definitely get one. It has an amazing library of games including (debatably) the best 3d mario and zelda and you can take them wherever you want! Still if you can't/ don't want to I understand
Honestly, I regret buying one myself. Kirby was underwhelming, BotW can't even be called a Zelda game, and Odyssey feels watered down when compared to either of the Galaxy games or even Sunshine. The Switch doesn't even feel like a Nintendo console anymore.
@@jonathanwilliams1271 I agree
I still say it’s worth it but I understand why you would think twice about it.
@@jonathanwilliams1271 idk if you're being sarcastic or not but this is 100% how I feel. Other than watered down franchise entries and Wii U ports, the Switch doesn't offer much, especially at the $300 price point. Like I could've put that money towards a Wii U, got BotW, all the ports like MK and DK AND have virtual console (along with free online). It may be more successful than the Wii U, but its definitely a step back.
Emo Arlo in the start
Haven't you heard? Emos evolved into "edgelords" and their feelings don't matter!
Emarlo
No virtual console is the stupidest decision they could have possibly made.
I just want to comment on the idea of the idea of "more options is always better. While, sure, a smart consumer could probably pick out the smartest options for themselves, often people just want to get to use whatever they've bought. This exact principle applies heavily to games. For example, micro transactions feed on the weaker decision-making skills of the audiences they're targeting, which is usually younger kids. Sure, they have the option to NOT buy these micro transactions, but the temptation beats the advice from their parents. And while Nintendo doesn't necessarily prey on their consumers weakness, a lot of these issues can apply- especially when stakes like money are a factor. For example, maybe someone thinks of it as an obligation to purchase a certain game they remember liking. I often fall into cases where I choose something simply out of obligation, even if my heart lies otherwise. Or another scenario is someone thinking they only want "one game" from the classic service, only to discover they may want another or another, and since they permanently put the money into that one game, they can't switch back to the service instead. This may be an especially big problem since the waves of games that come out. For example, if later GameCube games start getting added and someone who dropped money for some nes games earlier wants them, now they'll either spend more money to get less games or get the service, and will have accidentally wasted a bit of extra money on the new game. So, in short, while a smart consumer could probably use more options well, often people don't put enough thought into a purchase and that sort of freedom could turn out to hurt them. That's why I don't necessarily think the argument for "more options" is always very valid.
well written. Just break the paragraph into sections and it'll be pleasant to read
But there's still no hotel Mario virtual console no wait *NOOOO*
There will be no more spaghetti ;-;
Fans: GameCube.
Nintendo: I have no Idea what this man’s talking about.
Nintendo 3 years later: hey, wait. . .OH NO, WE FORGOT THE GAMECUBE! QUICK, RERELEASE SOME OF THE BEST GAMES ON THE CONSOLE!
Well said Arlo. My thoughts exactly
I feel like this is more of a greedy move, since it forces users who *don't* want a subscription to the online service to get one anyways, even if they don't play online.
Sure, but it's still greedy.
Fans: Let us buy your games, please!
Nintendo: 🖕
I super agree
"Theres no difference between this and this...?" Had me dying
All I want is at least SNES and N64 games to be included in this NESflix service. Please, Nintendo. WHY didn’t you announce them? Are they really not coming?
Obviously Gamecube games would be fantastic as well, but..I won’t get my hopes up when Nintendo won’t even say if freaking SNES games are on the way. Seriously.
Snes is where the big profit is for them. nostalgic jrpg fans.
They're testing the waters with the minor money maker so it can be perfected by the time snes comes along. Or do you expect them to open the negotiation with their best offer?
Paige Wilson They mentioned SNES games would be considered last year actually, so I do expect them to come eventually. At least SNES. They even said last year that it would launch with just NES games at first, so I don’t think anythings changed since then. SNES is probably coming..I just wish it sounded more confirmed rather than ‘probably’ or ‘maybe’
NES and SNES games via subscription, while you can own them with NES mini and SNES mini. That’s probably Nintendo’s reasoning for how they’re doing this.
4 emulators were discovered as part of the Switch Online service, NES & SNES along with 2 others that we can only speculate the identity of. Unfortunately Switch isn't powerful enough to emulate a modern console like GameCube, however we may get GBA or N64 over the next 2 years.
Sometimes I really fucking hate Nintendo.
I’ve never played super mario 64 so hopefully the virtual console comes soon
Lewi Toons Do you own any Wii (U) ?
Lewi Toons He literally said that Nintendo fucking said it is not coming
Get an emulator
Pepe Shitpost Under that banner. They could be just changing the logo and name
oh my god, please download a emulator, you have no idea what your missing.
R.I.P everyone without a 3ds
Love that you use deep cuts like the Forest Maze theme in your videos. Keep up the good work!
I think this DOESN'T mean no way to play NES, SNES, N64, GCN, GB, GBC, or GBA on the Switch. I think it means it won't be called "Virtual Console". Eventually, something called somthing like the "Retro Revivals", and it would be relesed like "Arcade Archives" with added online play. It would also probably be released in cartage bundles that would be like the Mega Man Legacy Collections.
Edit: They might just add more classic games that aren't on NES to the online library.
We can only hope. You have any idea how many games can fit in even 8 GB?
Chaos89P n64 games never exceeded 64 MB and GC capped out around 1.5 GB so...
That being said, 256 N64 games could fit into an 8 GB cart, which is a vast majority, if not the whole 64 library.
And for GameCube, you can fit up to five games
Savage J20 That was actually my point. Literally hundreds of NES games can easily be fit into a 1 GB thumbstick. Even with a UI to tie them all together, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo could easily fit nearly all mainline Super Mario games and a few spinoffs up to Super Mario Sunshine into a Switch card.
think about it...... Mario Kart Double Dash 16 Player.......... ooooooohhh boi im getting.... certain feelings from those thoughts.
baby park. 200cc.
Walther Penne I swear you're on fuckin crack
I am equally as baffled!! I get the control conversion takis a little time...but my gosh, I DREAM of N64 and GC games on the Switch. It would be absolute heaven!
I love it when Arlo writes poetically
The Arlo Fan Community I hate it when Arlo shits on the NeoGeo
I hate when Arlo says that Pikmin for 3DS hurts him
I just wanted an Japanese account to get Mother 3
CatFox same
Why? The game is pretty dialogue heavy.
Noah G Maybe he knows Japanese you ignoramus
Hubert Parker
Yet the entire channel is in English? Use your fucking head.
Hubert Parker It's also a rare occasion. What kind of asshole goes around and assumes someone is bilingual?
I think this is, at worst, a test. The fact is, there may well be a better way to distribute old games than the Virtual Console. So they're going to test a new system to see if it works better. And pass or fail, they're going to put a lot more classic games on the Switch in some form. I really *REALLY* can't believe that a few old NES games are all we're going to get on the Switch, one way or another.
And if the new system turns out to be somewhat crappy and/or the classic games we really want never show up, then it's like you yourself said in your In Defense of Ports video, Arlo. Those old systems with their old games still exist, and you can still play them there. Sure it would kind of suck that we can't just use the Switch to play everything, but it's not like you've lost these games for all time. You'll just have to put up with the first-world inconvenience of keeping your old game consoles.
I wish I had your Rose colored glasses, my friend.
SNES games have been confirmed & it was discovered there are 4 emulators as part of the Switch Online service. I'm sure that a few years from now we'll have hundreds of games as part of Switch Online.
You need and old tv to play the real thing tho.
Please Nintendo, ALL ALL ALL I want is Super Mario Sunshine or a remastered version.
With the service being as cheap as it is, I don't see a problem with a hypothetical monthly gaming service. That being said, I'd take classic games on the Switch in any way I can, as long as the price is fair and good games are there
I find the monthly service plan very intriguing, honestly. I mean, yeah, I'd still prefer to be able to pay what i want for what games I want (or heaven forbid actually transfer already purchased games from the Wii U or 3DS to the Switch), but I'm willing to give the service a chance. Especially if the stock of games you get access to grows as the service ages.
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kinda wish the service costed 20 more dollars so we could at least hope for not garbage online services... might be shaky but they are charging for it, so here's hoping for the best
I hope they're just focusing on the NES b/c it's the easiest to start with. My personal vision is this service will eventually evolve into a complete library, bigger and better than VC was because everything is there instead of being drip fed for years. Yes if you stop paying you won't have access, but that's pretty fair.
Aged like milk
Virtual BOI
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Me me virtual boi
If everyone who spelled boy "boi", was wiped off the face of the planet, it would be a better place
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3DS is my go-to for VC because I can pull it out anywhere.
At least until Nintendo decide what they want to call the VC on the Switch.
VC with only two systems
A virtual boy no longer, he is now a VIRTUAL MAN
Am i the only one who would love a subscription-based VC?
Trying new games would be easier.
No rebuying.
Keeping subscribers happy would force Nintendo to release games frequently,.
When the Switch is old and no longer online you don't lose stuff you paid for.
No system transfers needed.
No bringing your console because your friend doesn't own a certain game.
That last point doesn't make sense -- you can't access your own Nintendo account from another person's Nintendo system. That would make game sharing *really* easy
Hold That L For Luigi I think they mean that if you both have a subscription then you both have all the games and will be able to play any games
Nintendo said before switch came out that they plan it to be a part of their online service because otherwise we must buy it again and again on every console. Many ppl forgot or miss that part
Nintendo couldn’t bring the VC forward. The reason being, I’m fairly sure that from now on, all our digital games are going to follow us to the next console. Nintendo couldn’t “allow” us to own these games on the Switch. It was going to lose them too much money.
You know it would be kinda funny if Nintendo pulled a bait and switch with this. We spend the next month bummed out about this, then at E3 we find out that they were either: A) pulling a fast one, or B) they present the alternative, and it is GLORIOUS!!!... but we should be pessimistic so at the very least we won’t be disappointed.
I mean, Nintendo IS the king of the unexpected. E3 will be very interesting I'm sure. Or maybe because I said that, it'll be boring as shit! Who knows, it's Nintendo!
I want Wii games for the Switch, I mean the Wii U had Wii games on the Virtual Console.
Wii isn't happening, at all. Or maybe remasters but not a "VC" or something like it. I see Nintendo releasing classic game collections (like the NES ones) for multiple systems on the Switch. (Up to the N64, and all gameboys). But not GameCube (no anlog triggers), Wii or DS games.
Sander Evers DS games are plausible, actually.
SilvARK er yeah but the wii could do n64 games
The Wii U had backwards compatibility with the Wii.
The Wii U had Wii games for download and they weren't labeled Virtual Console. I think that's kind of an important distinction to remember, especially with this discussion.
RIP GBA Fire Emblem virtual console. "That's all it was, a dream."
I think they’re replacing the flawed virtual console system with Netflix styled NES Switch Online, they’ll release more consoles for the platform on the way most likely
Actually.... If they fill out their catalog with a ton of games, a Netflix format might work. Pay a monthly fee for unlimited access to hundreds of games you can simply download and play. Like if GameFly wasn't solely delivery based.
Exactly!
What was flawed about it?
Interesting idea, but they would need to really fill it up with games.
I have a hunch that maybe they are building towards a tiered system... like the 20$ would get you only NES games... but add 10$ and get also SNES/N64 games.... add another 10$ and get also Gamecube/GBA games.
Since this whole thing started coming up with the Switch I've always found it odd how people treat the Virtual Console like this very distinct almost physical thing instead of just practically being a brand for "Classic games on the eShop".
Obviously I understand people's frustrations not getting these classic games after over a year since the console's release as Nintendo had at least drip-fed them on previous consoles, and I also understand the frustrations with the cryptic way news has rolled out about it and the uncertainty of what games we'll be able to play, but it just seems odd how the one thing people are so fixated on is very specifically the Virtual Console brand. Either way there is a lot to be worried about, so I'm not trying to dismiss people's concerns.
Perhaps it just feels odd because different people seem to have different views on what the Virtual Console actually was, ranging from extremes such as my stance of just being a brand for porting classic games, and others acting as if the eShop needs to have NES, SNES, N64, NGC and everything else before the service is a form of "Virtual Console".
Meanwhile the Neo Geo ports on the Switch get glossed over during all this, because no one thinks of the 3rd party implications of not going with the Virtual Console brand, it is my belief that lacking a distinct brand for classics on the Switch might actually be helping other companies feel like they can put their classics on the system without the fear of complications of not being part of some form of Virtual Console branding or without feeling overshadowed due to the Virtual Console branding.
Yeah, I find this really odd too. The entire video I was just thinking 'But... Neo Geo games ARE on the eshop?' We basically still have the Virtual Console without it being called that- the games just need to be added- that's the only issue.
It's not that classic games physically can't appear on the Switch, it's just that they're probably not going to appear under the name Virtual Console, and they need to be added already!
Yeah right. I had Rondo of Blood on the Wii through the virtual console and it was also my main introduction to the Castlevania series.
well so much for melee on the go. oh well, still have my gc and wii^_^ and my 3ds xl!
Have you ever seen people turning the Wii into a handheld and into a laptop? Maybe you should look into that.
{MLP} Rainbow Dash no I haven't and I love my wii too much to do that, thanks all the same though.
But I'm perfectly happy just playing my gc games as I always have done^_^
Most modern smartphones are easily capable of emulating Wii and GC games. Oh well, I'll be enjoying my Melee and Super Mario Sunshine on the go without a Switch.
Why would you wanna play Melee or sunshine on mobile? The controls would be tacky and those games require a big FOV, you're gonna have a hard time seeing everything.
You can always play Sm4sh, which is far superior.
I thought it was just the *name* "Virtual Console" that wouldn't carry over to the Switch. I feel like this is just a big misinterpretation of what Nintendo is trying to do in this regard.
Also, it’s apparently important that Nintendo already have all the work done on all the games, for all the systems, period, before the service even launches. People acting like paid online services don’t grow over time or span across consoles. You think XBOX live is suddenly going to disappear because the Xbone isn’t doing well? Nope. Once Nintendo ports these games over into the new online service they’re there, ready to play, forever. Mark my words.
Awesome video Arlo! You have got to be the smartest and wisest puppet in all of TH-cam. Not only did you respond to important topics, you did so with wisdom and fundamentally useful quotes. I'll personally wait and see what comes out this September, but it would be nice to have a service and buy the games.
It's going to be the case that they release a new "n64 classic" and such and they don't want competition for those most likely.
I was just wondering when a new Arlo video would come :)
RIP virtual Consol this is what brings me back to my 3DS over and over again
Amen to that! I'm honestly trying to buy any old games I want now, so I can always have them on my 2DS. Granted, I only got my 3DS a few months ago.
I honestly just want to know why Nintendo does not include virtual consuls on in nintendoswitch like game boy game boy color game boy Advanced etc. those are all key game systems in Nintendo‘s history
At this point Nintendo is just asking for the NES game boy etc. games to pirated on an emulator☹️
@@goodmilk6097 I know! Stop punishing people for NOT wanting to pirate games. I don't have much against the pirate community, if Nintendo doesn't want our money, then that's on them. However I just want to buy legitimate copies of the games I wanna play. I don't really care about NES or SNES games outside of Zelda games that's there. Just let us buy what we want.
(Gasp) E3 is in a month?! *AAAAAAAA!* (Outro music)
What's that? Nintendo is ignoring their fans and making illogical business decisions? SHOCKING! Give me a second to pick my jaw up off the floor. *eye roll*
SSJFro Nintendo does what it’s wants without checking with us 😢
@@themoonhasrisen2129 you sound entitled
Preach, Arlo! The switch is my first Nintendo game since the Gamecube, due to college/budgets/etc. And on the gamecube I somehow missed the Zelda/Marios that were on it.
VC would be amazing so I could pick up Mario Sunshine, Galaxy, the Paper Marios, and all of the Zeldas that I never got to enjoy.
I feel people are reading far to into it. It's just name name brand that is going away while they will continually update the monthly service to give more free games as they go along.
They will probably have them separately for purchase as well. The key point of the announcement was that they weren't going to use that brand anymore, not that they weren't going to sell the older games as downloads anymore.
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First 20 seconds is everyone after Avengers: Infinity War.
Arlo is just the best, sometimes I'm not actually interested in the topic you will talk about but after watching your videos are both entertaining and informative.
Keep it up! :D
There are two ways around this:
1. The old school games are released free as part of the online subscription.
2. Release a game(s) similar to the NES/SNES mini that plays several old school games, not just with NES and SNES, but Game Boy, Game Boy Advance, DS, Nintendo 64, and GameCube.
Then whichever route they go, you can play online with it, so let’s say they decide to make a Nintendo 64 pack: you can play people online at Mario Party, Pokemon Stadium and GoldenEye 64 (If Rare gives the okay).
If either of these happen, it would be an instant success.
They are Free when Part as subscription i think..
mega sean I haven't played the Arcade Archives games, but what if they took that sort of approach? Aka, throwing out the unified Virtual Console, but still releasing old games, occasionally updated slightly. Such as "N64 Archives Paper Mario", for example
If it's part of the online subscription that you have to pay for, then it's no longer free.
mega sean they are not 'free' they are practically the only thing the money goes towards
rip in peace all hopes for portable gamecube games
There's a Dolphin emulator app, but... The Switch is just so much more convenient.
OR, Nintendo can release a retro game section on the Eshop.
The Switch can run Linux, so you can just install Dolphin directly onto the system. You do need to grab a wireless controller with analog triggers and some kind of a dongle for said controller for some of the GameCube games though.
It's odd they dropped it. They knew classic games are perfect for on the go. So they decided to drop it now for no good reason. I never had the money to buy any games for it but I understood how nice the virtual console was. We can only hope for a good alternative.
I do like the idea of multiple collections of games. As long as it's not like the mega man collections where half is physical and the other is digital.
The biggest thing for me is just being able to buy the few games I like & have them on the go.
Hell there are several games I own just for the portable aspect.
The Switch is a fantastic system. Home & portable console. Its been a long time since I was impressed by technology & even longer since I was fully on bored with one of Nintendo's gimmicks.
I'd like to be able to play the few old games I adore on this system.
I have no intention of paying for their service. Maybe for a bit when Monster Hunter comes out for it.
But that's because I have to not because I want to.
I pay for enough services. I don't need yet another one.
I'm gonna wait till E3 passes and the online service comes out, see what Nintendo is planing before jumping the "THIS IS A DISASTER" bandwagon or conciser "cracking open my console" to get classic games from SNES to Gamecube to Wii-U. I'm sure there coming, the only quston is when and how...
That sead I think Nintendo's classic mini console line and the continuation of the 3DS into 2019 and beyond might have something to do with why they are going this route
You sir, have common sense!
ignore him/her, I'm pretty sure there just a troll trying to get some atencon to fill the empty void that is there life
The beginning of this video (the Edgelord part and the segway to the "normal Arlo") is really well done. You are certainly improving your comedian skills. Keep up the good work.
Why doesn't arlo eat cookies
Uv Masterball calm your ham
This isn't Sesame Street. Although he is good enough to be on it.
His body can’t actually process gluten/ dairy/ food.
D U H
He doesn't like to talk about his diabetical brother...
He does, but unlike Cookie Monster, he can control his cravings.
I'm hoping that the reason they aren't bringing the virtual console to switch is cause they have some big things planned
Project DAE : I think they aren't doing Virtual Console because the idea behind VC was a true to original experience. But I think they want to separate from that and have them all enhanced to be a bit more modern like a bump in resolution and online multiplayer/leader boards.
OTPulse I think that the new take could be better than VC aslong as I could eventually be able to obtain every game that I want from NES - Game Cube
+Arlo
Hey Arlo, you mentioned about being able to game on the go with the Switch as a reason for the *Virtual Console* to make so much sense to have on the system. I kind of agree with that sentiment since it takes the concept of that library to the next step with an on the go system. I grew up with a Gameboy and then a Gameboy Color. Most of my friends had one as well, so Game Link 2 player games like tennis, pokemon, double dragon, mortal kombat 2 were a lot of fun and felt like a step in the right direction for gaming in general. You had more multiplayer Gameboy games with the arrival of the Gameboy advance (titles like Zelda 4 Swords come to mind ) but you could see the potential.
I just want to be able to play Earthbound or Earthbound Beginnings on the Switch
Yeah here's hoping they both get added to the Switch Online service later this year!
Or Mother 3..
I hope for Mother Collection or Mother 4/ Earthbound 3
I wonder if this’ll change once Nintendo officially gets their new president
The Arlo Fan Community oh heck you’re right.
I've been watching you for a while and I'm still blown away how you managed to make a puppet so expressive.
what puppet?
@@leeartlee915 you're right. I don't know what I was thinking
*shrug* I prefer the subscription service model. As long as Nintendo expands the service to more than NES then I'm fine.
Cloud Tune yeah I agree