Lack of Legacy Content on Switch Hurts Nintendo More Than Us
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ธ.ค. 2019
- The Virtual Console is a thing of the past and Nintendo is dragging their feet when it comes to letting us buy and play older games. Here's why I think they're hurting themselves in the long run.
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Let’s all just remember Virtual Console died for Switch Online.
>Nintendo doesn't continue the Virtual Console on Switch
>Nintendo continues to take down rom sites
It's like they really don't want us to play their old games.
I'm willing to pay money, Nintendo.
F
And they stopped releasing stuff.
God really did die for our sins, huh
You're a Liar Wii U and 3DS virtual console are still available so stop lying
"We are putting large amounts of effort into stopping online piracy"
"Also we aren't going to sell you these games."
"Taking your canon with you to your grave": because liquidated assets are more profitable than maintaining a strong legacy.
Literally play something else. Quite simple
@St0rm Ranger good job thief ;)
@St0rm Ranger You can buy BotW contrary to the games Sufficient is referring to. Emulating games that aren't for sale is sometimes necessary if you really want to play it. But that's hardly a Nintendo only issue.
Pirating games is more or less fine if you are a poor teenager. As an adult that's just being cheap.
reminder that according to that EU study piracy doesn't even harm these industries besides maybe cinema, people who pirate games would almost never purchase them either way and somebody playing it free does nothing to remove profit or resources from the company or the paying customers
"piracy hurt sales" is a corporate boogeyman with no backing, they are lying to you
Subscription services will be the death of me. I'd rather go back and buy old consoles and physical games for those consoles than pay money for something I'll never truly own.
and the fact that you have to keep paying yearly to get access to them.
@@HUYI1 And how Nintendo seem to think that carrying over purchases from one platform to another isn't worth trying.
The Wii U at least had something to help with backcompat and the upgrade thing. 3DS also had DSi support for digital purchases though you could only transfer to a new system limited times.
Totally agree. I hate game/software subscriptions more than I hate freemium games. And that’s saying something
@@piccuh Voooooooooote with your wallet then! And encourage others!
I agree. I own a lot of the older nintendo consoles, and the games that are too expensive I bought on WiiU virtual console.
I just don't want my games governed by an internet connection...
Same. Offline goodness galore or else my money stays in the wallet. Online only restrictions are lame as fuck. I don't want to turn on my game only to be forced to sit through a loading screen that's trying to advertise mind craft bucks or whatever... Is minecraft bucks even a thing? Probably lol...
@@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342 Minecoins
@@gostigoo6706 don't remind me
You could still play SNES and NES games offline though
Very true. Offline is a better way yo enjoy the products. Some have bad online internet connections
Nintendo’s backlog has officially become the “Disney Vault”.
Yep, we’ve reached that point...
And considering you now have to 'pay' to get access to said vault :P... though Disney+ DOES have most of the titles that was in there... I read it's like all of the ones that were so :/
@@JCKane I think almost all Disney things are on Disney+ but they are denying theaters from showing classic Fox movies now. For example, fans of Alien can't watch it during a special screening anymore.
And even then they have their own subscription service and 2 decades worth of DVD's, so you don't have to move a seperate system from the garage every time you want to watch "Piglets Big Movie"
Never thought about it that way but you are right.
lol i love how Nintendo cracks down on emulaters and roms then never releases the games themselves, is there massage here that they just dont want anyone one enjoying their old games?
"No game is forgotten completely"
*cries in f-zero*
But it hasn’t been forgotten completely. There’s F-Zero content in Smash Bros. and Mario Kart. I know they’re not new games, but this is exactly what Arlo said. Even if a series doesn’t get a new game, it still gets referenced.
I ‘member
@@stwbmc98 Even mole mania is referenced in smash bros.
No one remembers mole mania.
*Cries in starfy*
*Cries in Golden sun*
It sounds like they're going to Disney route and trying to put these games in a vault to build hype when they're available again later
diggoran I pirate so they are always available to me
@@manwithoutmercy Cheers matey 🍻
ManWithoutMercy yeah same pirating ftw
except later never comes
Seeing Mario 3D all stars get announced, this comment aged surprisingly well, and I really hate that.
I wanna play old pokemon games on the switch :'(
hell yes someone else who agrees, diamond, pearl and platinum on switch when?
But how would the second screen work
Use split screen or something, or let you switch between them with +/-? Idk
TangerineTurtles you can control the second screen with the d pad, you don’t need to use the touch screen to send commands to a Pokémon
I just want gen 3. That’s the whole reason I’m buying a GBA
I'm still bitter that most of the best Gamecube games have yet to be rereleased in any way, shape or form despite Nintendo being more than capable of doing so.
To this day, there's no "legit" way to play games like Paper Mario: TTYD, Super Mario Sunshine, the first Chibi Robo, etc. without owning a decade-and-a-half old original copy.
@ghostgaming What the fuck are you talking about? I have several old gamecube games but still want them available on the Switch so newer players can experience them more easily, not to mention higher resolution and other such improvements.
@ghostgaming Because there's been so much controversy and anger from all those people who are insulted and disrespected whenever Nintendo gives you a new way to play NES or SNES games that they still have physical copies of that they purchased at full retail price when they were released.
Oh wait. There isn't any.
ghostgaming ghostgaming “I’m offended that people would get games for better prices”
“Lol just pirate them for free”
ghostgaming dude what are you talking about? I literally have copies of GC games and still play on it to this day. I’d LOVE to be able to play games like Mario Party 4-6 on the switch without having to swap discs or bring out an entire console, cables and all. It’s not about trying to one-up people who have already spent hundreds on GC games (because I was one of them), it’s about convenience. I would gladly pay for a digital copy of a GC game instead of having to fork over 40-60$ to buy an original copy off EBay.
@ghostgaming I don't want to and no profit goes to Nintendo from buying them from another person (which will not be at original retail price, either cheaper anyway or sadly, way more expensive for being rare only to the reseller benefits). I don't want to pick old systems, let me pick it up legally again on new console if I want to even if I already played them for hell sakes, I don't care about what feels to me like an old fashioned, close minded and selfish uproar to not release them again to feel kinda special over something that in the end isn't that important and prevent others to play in a relevant way.
No wonder their games get pirated if there are no more relevant legal way to get them, that would be their best way to fight against it instead of taking down emulation sites or disallowing search for them in google when they litterally do nothing of these games.
Hey dude dont worry about posting too many “negative” videos. We wanna hear your thoughts, regardless of if they’re negative or positive :)
yes - go up!
probably more worried about nintendo
Do we?
Yez, thank you
This trend of being scared to have an opinion that others dont agree with and labeling it NEGATIVE Is grinding my gears.
Look at BeatEmUps TH-cam channel. His whole 3 Pokémon video apology over his opinion on Sword and shield was and still remains disgusting.
Completely took back his entire opinion in a bid to make us believe he now likes the game.
If Arlo becomes this....Imma Head Out.
There's a huge difference between constructive and negative, I find that this video focuses on exploring potential and positive solutions to its complaints rather than just complaining.
I'm honestly dying for some GBA games on here
Right?! I'd like the entire Golden Sun franchise on the Switch.
I'm dying for some N64 games
I want to play Pokemon Emerald to see what the huge fuss is about with battle frontier lol
I would die happy if I could play Pokemon Gold or Pokemon Sapphire on my TV
@@navyblues6661 Just use an emulator and a ROM? Emerald is arguably the easiest game to get on your PC/mobile device compared to other old Nintendo games
"Wii fans that aren't gamers are not playing anymore"
Ha! My grandpa still playing Wii Sports Golf everyday.
Porting n64 games into the switch is literally free money
Porting old games in general is free money
Gamecube games would be amazing too
Only n64 games they may not be able to get are Tony Hawk pro skater and wwf no mercy.
Especially no mercy considering it was probably the only really good sports game later.
@@dennisbowen452 nobody cares about those games anyway lol so it's not an issue.
Moonshine yes please lol
We don’t want you to pirate our games, but we still won’t give you a convenient way to play them!
That's why switch modding exists
Toastie still pirating
@@FrancoKing419 never said it wasn't
@Jordan Hancock
Nintendo is just asking too much from us! 😑
Technically, isn't it still legal to emulate games as long as you own the actual physical game copy?
I will unashamedly admit that I did use a flashcart on my old DS, and modded my PSP to be able to load ROMs, but I honestly owned most of those games, I just didn't want to have to carry all of them around with me to University and on the bus.
I don't remember who said it, but no matter which way you turn it, piracy is a convenience issue. It's not convenient to have to buy extra hardware or dig around inside your consoles, but when companies make the alternative even less convenient...
‘Maybe in the next Direct’- Arlo, December 2019
Me in August 2020: *Crying*
We know it's coming..
Joestar But we don’t, we know that this month is the month of announcements, since if they wait any longer, the hype will get stolen by the companies that are actually putting in effort to please their fans (aka: any other gaming company apart from EA)
July 2021: it’s still something to cry, kinda
I just want N64 and GBA games on the Switch.
They easily did it on the Wii U.
Robobox _ and GameCube!
How about Wii and also 3DS Online?
Hack your Switch, I have N64 and GBA games in mine
How about game boy and n64 insted
Ok i would say n64 and gamecube i mean meele the legend of zelda OOT MM TP but i would not be very hopefull for majoras mask i mean he really didnt actually want to remake majoras mask also i got a bit more hope because of the maro 64 sunshine galaxy remake
“Probably doing something mundane like brushing my teeth or eating a sandwich”.....
“BRUSHING MY TEETH”
WHAT TEEEEETH???
He has small serrated teeth hidden by fur lips I bet. Unless he has tongue teeth like geese, but I don't want that mental image.
He keeps a jar of teeth which he brushes daily. Yes. Yes yes.
Lol you guys are cool
QuesaDylan yeah, that’s what I was thinking XD
he's like toothless. retractable teeth.
Arlo it’s okay you can make more critique vids of Nintendo, don’t let the crazy Nintendo fans get mad at you for criticizing their favorite company lol. I love Nintendo but by god they ain’t perfect.
So true honestly. The most toxic Nintendo fans imo are the ones who refuse to acknowledge their favourite company can do any wrong. Nintendo are still currently my favourite video game company but gee wizz they're still stuck in like early 2000s for their practises.
Right. Nintendo isnt cutting the check and they aren't untouchable. They put in less effort then people try to admit
i agree
@@TheFrostedfirefly Dealing with same as a Pokemon fan. Was Sword and Shield at Fallout 76 levels of bad? No. Is it a fun game? Yes. Does it have a bunch of flaws and shortcomings for a $60 Console Pokemon title? You bet. Any attempt to point out a lack of polish or outdated practices is countered with "Well it sold a lot"
yep! exactly
The things that baffle me most are the lack of the HD Zelda remakes and the Mother franchise.
Those would both do EXCELLENTLY on switch. Like... 2019 is the 30th anniversary of Mother 1... Why is it STILL not on NES online after this WHOLE YEAR?
They are actually starting to do some for Zelda
yep, i dont have the same draw to the much older games (i like modern shiny graphics), but after playing Breath of the Wild, Wind Waker is one of the few previous Zelda games that looks mighty appealing to me. Im sure I'm not the only one, but they just keep NOT porting it.
they took away our ratings that we had on WiiU and 3DS. That shop channel was so good that I literally felt duped when I booted up the Switch's e shop.
No refunds on digital preorders and no way to know if actual people who bought the game think it is any good...
They even took away the casual to hardcore measure from older systems (though I don't think it was that useful).
The one thing I can't stand about Nintendo is how damn stubborn they can be.
Japan in a nutshell, but it's okay... It's just a
"CuLTuRal DifFEerEnCE"
so they get a free pass.
You mean Sony, right?
I like and play Playstation but fuck Sony's policies
@@Deoxys_Used_Mimic Oof
lol roblox in a nutshell x10
"What if they decide to make a Paper Mario game like the first two?"
Haha, that is a good one Arlo.
"imagine if pikmin 4 was coming out tomorrow"
Arlo is such a joker
I believe in it.
Yeah, I'm waiting on that for well over a decade too...
There's a strong possibility that they might do that. Kensuke Tanabe did say that they won't be making Sticker Star 3 and considering that he was the producer of Luigi's Mansion 3 and had taken feedback from Dark Moon he'll most likely do that with Paper Mario.
If Paper Mario Switch does end up as a game that's like the first 2, not only would that be great I would go around saying "I told you so".
@@jeremyknight9980 Wait, when did Tanabe say he won't be making Sticker Star 3? Do you have a link to an article where he said it or something?
“They’re sure as heck about to make new animal crossing fans” oh you have no idea
“Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem”
-Gabe Newell
I can bet you a good amount of money that if Nintendo put all their first party games from all their handhelds and consoles before the switch on NSO they would not see as many people pirating their games or heck put them on the Eshop for 10-30 bucks a pop
I thought for a moment you were janemba
You must have 0 doubts about the internet, cuz they’ll always pirate things, which takes $0 :X
@@Thewaterspirit57 but less people will pirate it if they can legally get it easier
“Never forgotten completely” *cries in f-zero*
Look at my thumbnail I'm crying right there with you friend.
The only reason I still have a Wii With GameCube controller connected to my TV
@Anomaly
That quote "Never forgotten completely" is true. Nintendo hasn't forgotten about F-Zero. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe has the Captain Falcon Mii costume and his car, Blue Falcon, alongside two F-zero like courses, Mute City and Big Blue with remixes of those courses while Super Smash Bros Ultimate has Captain Falcon, as the main fighter/representative of the F-Zero Franchise, some courses and music, an assist trophy of Samurai Goroh, World of light fights(/stickers? I think) that represents some of the F-Zero characters, and some trophies.
Nintendo should make an F-zero game for the Switch. It would be a great fit for the console. It should have a new storyline for Captain Falcon, other good characters and bad guys similar to
F-Zero gp legend, new characters, new courses, new, machines, a lag free online mode (Lag free may never happen, I'm just being optimistic) new music, a sound test to listen to all the music from all the previous F-Zero games, and a gallery room detailing the origins and the history of all F-Zero games. That, in my opinion, would make a great addition to the Switch library.
@@nileriver216 personally I certainly dislike that they put F-Zero material in Mario kart 8. To me it represented "yeah we're not gonna make another f-zero game but here have these crumbs in a game that is nothing like f-zero". It seemed to toy and belittle the fans and the franchise itself.
As if you can substitute a true sequel for the technical brilliance of GX with some references in a slow casual friendly kart game.
Being in smash is one thing and of course that's okay because that's a collective celebration of Nintendo's history but being in mk is different and rubs me the wrong way. You can't merge the franchises together, it doesn't work.
As awesome as a new F-Zero would be as you described, fzero is as dead as 1080 snowboarding and wave race despite being better and more deserving than those franchises at least imo. But as long as I'm alive I hope that I'm wrong. At least we have Super Pilot in the meantime.
F-Zero, the best game franchise of all time, so good that isn't economically viable.
Quick reminder that it's day 1008 without new themes on Switch
Nintendo not only can't do online right but also basic features every game console in 2019 should have
Nintendo 3ds had themes. Lots of them
Why Nintendo....
WHY??
Its to allow everything to load as quickly as possible. PS4 takes an extra second to load in a theme
That no one needs. No themes was chosen solely to keep the switch from guzzling battery life and data.
@@bladeexe bruh it's literally just a background theme it's not gonna drain much battery life tf
@Jango Is Bored And it's sold better then the Wii and WiiU with out it sooooooo.
I'm surprised to see how badly the GameCube sold. When I was a kid that was the console to own.
Also just give me Super Mario RPG already again.
SNES Classic Mini.
I was one of the only two kids back at my School that owned a Gamecube. Most of the other kids had moved to either PlayStation or PC gaming.GBA was still popular because of Pokémon, though.
remake
The lack of the virtual console and the shitty online implementation are the main reasons that I don't have a switch. I still have my wii u and it has more features than the Switch.
You know what's next and you hate them for liking it just a little.
Sorry about Pikmin 3
@@Random-Draw-Time LMFAOOOOOOOO
29:57 - “Option 3: Everyone turns on their emulator”
Well, if they get roms from the internet that's piracy
Kamil118 - Yeah, I don’t personally download a ROM unless I already purchased the game (because it can be more convenient) or if it’s too hard to find / was never released.
Which again makes Nintendo no moolah.
This is pretty much why I never bothered with SNES mini or NES/SNES online.
@@kamil118 Okay then give us an option to buy the game. We are literally waving money at Nintendo for them to take from our hands. What's that? You refuse? Well then..
Arlo: Who KNOWS when Nintendo will add more games to--
Nintendo: Here ya go!
Right, perfect timing!
Solid titles too. I never got a SNES Classic, so I'm looking forward to Star Fox 2.
This video was actually released around a month ago for Patreon.
@@wariolandgoldpiramid but it wasn't until it was available to the public that that the timing became relevant :)
Oh thank god now i can pay nintendo money to play games that i can get for free and with more convenient features, yay
Arlo "other companies waste no time porting and remastering olde games"
Me: how many fu*king times has Capcom ported and remastered Resident Evil 4 :D
Or Bethesda porting and mildly updating Skyrim while still leaving in game breaking bugs on console versions.
I'd love to play all Zelda games on the Switch. There'd have to be some tweaking in the case of Ocarina of Time, Majora Mask, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, and definitely Skyward Sword. But I'd love it. I never got to play Wind Waker because I didn't have a Gamecube. I also played through Twilight Princess in 2 days because I had only 2 days to beat it before I got to get home. I'd like to play through it at my normal pace and enjoy it more. Also never played Skyward Sword because of the horrible motion controls.
So I'd like to have all those games on the Switch.
Same here. Big zelda fan but I never got around to wind waker. I wish we had all the zelda titles on the switch.
Arlo: Uploads about NES and SNES collection.
Nintendo: Ok well update our NES and SNES collection
Ok now we have to make Arlo create a video about a new F-Zero
Can he upload a video about party chat next?
It’s a good thing which games are actually available is entirely under nintendo’s control, huh? Otherwise we might actually have access to these games for free from third party sources who provide more convenient features like speeding stuff up and allowing savestates! Gosh, what a nightmare that would be
I don't care about NES or SNES games, I want N64 and Gamecube!
Ueda Yuuji Fan meanwhile the people developing emulators for hacked switches: “Hey, do you want to play games for a handheld that is widely available, easy to hack and extremely portable on your $300 handheld? Wait, no? Well...you now can play PSP games”
“Hurts Nintendo more than us”
*I beg to differ*
No, no, it does hurt them more... it's just that phrase implies it doesn't hurt us a lot to begin with.
if they don't make it reasonably accessible, we pirate it. it's that simple
13:49, im a new switch owner, new to Nintendo, and this is exactly how I feel, A lot of these games look super fun, but they're expensive, and there's no older versions to get
I could hear this guy disagree with every life choice I make and I would just agree...
Nintendo:
Facts.
Fact. Entiteld gamers are too lazy to follow Nintendo Switch software release dates.
William Cail Hey remember when they said they were gonna release a new snes and nes games every month?
@@hatefulgaming1800 Nintendo doesn't own all that many games on the SNES and NES. Capcom and Konami went for a few quick bucks by selling Megaman and Castlevania through steam and digital downloads. It is becoming more complex to get license agreements with those companies (and probably more expensive as they realise the market for these games).
Lance Woods Licensing issues or not, Nintendo’s greedy slow asses own more than what’s currently offered.
Remember when Iwata had plans to connect all the systems together(WiiU, 3DS, Switch, that cancelled sleep device). I was hoping all the Wii U/3DS features and purchases would carry over to a better system.
15 of these games on the thumbnail now being on the switch or about to be on the switch is pretty crazy
Exactly what I was gonna say
The virtual console on switch would be amazing. We would have handheld and console classics. We could have Pokémon, Melee, and (my personal favorite)
Wii sports
They would never port the old pokemon games, because all of them, including X and Y, make Sword and Shield look bad.
When you said on Twitter that “you said everything you wanted to say” on this video, I knew it would be at least 30 minutes long
Arlo: “something mundane like brushing my teeth...”
Me: teeth?!? What are they retractable?!?
Like Donkey Kong’s retractable teeth
I think that's a Muppet thing. I mean, look at Walter during the 2012(?) Muppet Movie; there's a scene where we actually get to see him with teeth!
Also, there's a gag in the Muppet Show where Gonzo accidentally blows out all his teeth through his trumpet (somehow).
Toni Leaf HEY! Arlo is NOT a muppet. Do you think all puppets look the same or something?
I enjoy these longer form videos, I listen to them while I’m doing my 100% Zelda clears
“Nothing is forgotten entirely”
EarthBound: I’m boutta end this man’s whole career.
Accurate
The series is finished, although a compilation that includes 3 would be cool
Undertale to the rescue.
Press F to pay respects to F-Zero.
Am I the only one who has played Earthbound before the existence of Undertale?
Me: watching this video wondering where is Kirby super star
Nintendo: SNES and NES update
Me:
S C R E E C H E S
Kirby Super Star is an excellent game, Kirby's Dream Course is pretty solid as well
Where's Super Star Ultra? Wii U had plenty of DS games, and a good handful worked well on the console, even the ones that were Japan only.
Yea the switch would have a rough time running ds games. The screen is already a little cramped. It would also be impossible for them to work on the tv(most of the good ds games)
"What if they made a new F-Zero?!"
Don't do that... Don't give me hope.
:(
I mean, they made a new Kid Icarus over 20 years after the last game in the series, and F-Zero GX came out in 2003, which could mean F-Zero NX in 2025 or something!
*f-mega
They're happy to rehash Mario games but claim they don't know what to do with F-Zero. Kinda depressing :(
@@nonomen6665 As long as they deliver it this generation, i'll be happy. Hope never dies. Direct after Direct, I'm always waiting for the unveiling.
You are right. I am a new switch owner. I wanted to play breath of the wild. I never even played a Zelda game. Then I find out that if I want to play the older ones, I'd need to get an older system. That's not happening. Yeah, your right. Send this video to Nintendo.
After the whole Smash Melee cease and desist fiasco, this point accentuates to this issue more than ever. The only way for Melee players can play their favorite game nowadays is through emulation, and I know Nintendo understandably views it as piracy but they need to understand that that is the ONLY option they have. We all know Switch can handle it (Mario 3D All-Stars is proof of that) but it ultimately falls on Nintendo to actually renew these titles through emulation on their own console. Most people won't care if there is a pricetag on it; just make it conveniently available.
This who melee thing is ridiculous. It's like if a rock band ordered security to escort a group of fans within in their concert because they were asking for them to play the band's old songs.
Fanbase: so Nintendo, when are you releasing more snes games?
Nintendo: huh? Did you say anything?
Did you say "something" is the expression You Zoomer trash
@@brainglick9768 Dude, chill the HELL out. It's a joke!
@@brainglick9768 both are used, prescriptivist linguistics trash
@@brainglick9768 ok boomer.
Well they just did lol
So it's basically the Garfield plushy principle, where Jim Davis had them pulled from shelves for a year before putting them back in fear of people getting sick of Garfield merchandise.
It makes perfect sense.
Sort of but not really. Nintendo doesn't think people will get sick of the product itself, they think they'll get sick of paying for the same product on successive consoles. And a plushie doesn't have the same replay value as a video game. Comparing apples to oranges.
"Old fogey"
LORD, I haven't heard that word since watching those old College Humor videos
So this Nintendo Direct gave us:
- Pikmin 1 + 2 (Gamecube)
- Mario RPG Remake (SNES)
- Luigis Mansion Dark Moon (3DS)
Combine that with the Febuary Direct where we got Metroid Prime I would say that Nintendo us going pretty hard on porting/remaking their legacy content.
I would not be surprised if next year will only be filled with ports except for Super Mario Bros. Wonder, the Peach game and Metroid Prime 4
And now Thousand-Year Door is also on the way for next year as well
@@OtherworldlyApolloand Mario vs Donkey Kong
These intros make me so happy. I like being complimented by a stranger I know a lot about.
Arlo-
Please consider doing a comparison of Nintendo's approach to legacy content and Disney's use of "The Vault" with their rereleased classics. (Prior to Disney+ that is.)
It seems like Nintendo is trying to move toward Disney's model, what with the movies and theme park construction.
I've heard Mario was more recognizable than Mickey in the 90's, and comparing the business models of the two may be interesting.
Please consider this topic.
@@oldred890 I always likened it to two steps forward, one step back, and one randomly to the side.
The Vault definitely wouldn't work nowadays, which makes me even more curious why Nintendo is so unwilling to make their backlog easier to legitimately access.
Granted they have little control over NES games from other companies and such, and deals to include them would likely be troublesome.
@Physical Cue Wario with the game behind a massive vault door slamming shut.
LIMITED TIME ONLY! WA!
Well this comment aged.
It's Mother 30th anniversary. There's no Mother game there to play.
W
H
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Well ackshally, you have to play the games on the original hardware or buy a Wii U/3DS to just play any of the games.
@@thelastgogeta or you could just be a normal person and emulate the games
"Are they really going to want to start with the 4th game in the Series?"
Fallout 3
The Elder Scrolls V
Metal Gear Solid V
Entry points for many fans with no access for previous entries.
Despite that, I'm on your side. I'd love to see less of an overhaul in software to see games just simply come to the next platform without really needing to write new code. Sort of like Android. That's what I've always loved about PC games, even though some of those have compatibility issues, I know if I get a game on Steam I can always download it 10 years later (assuming Steam doesn't go anywhere).
I was thinking the same thing. It's almost unheard of for game series to have a running storyline between installments. And I'm not sure I'd want them to because: A - I tend not to faithfully follow franchises but instead hop around between them. B - a continuous series could end like Mass Effect 3 where people play a whole series and feel let down when it all comes to an unsatisfying end. The only games I personally own where I think you need to play them in order is SMT IV and SMT IV Apocalypse (but you don't need to play I - III)..
"An *all-time* low with the Wii U"
Virtual Boy wants to: *know your location*
Wii u did worse than the vb
@@Mookie12911 Wrong
That's not a home console though
@@freddyb4987 but like... it literally is
the chart even says so
Virtual Boy doesn't count. Not just because it's a handheld, but because it was SO bad it essentially didn't GET a lifespan. Kind of like how those who make Top 10's often have the "one game per franchise" rule, it wouldn't really be a fair comparison to include it.
"Brushing my teeth & eating a sandwich or something."
Arlo has teeth?
@@Hi_Names_Nat Like Toothless?
@@Hi_Names_Nat delete this
@@technic1285
Nah. Like Donkey Kong
His teeth aren’t located in his mouth
Just wipes the brim of his mouth
Came back here after seeing the older Touhou games and the Epic Battle Fantasy collection on Steam and playing the classic Bloons games w/ Ninja Kiwi archive. These three game series were my childhood.
Based
I like to imagine the hand inside of arlo's head
People: old games
Nintendo: you mean nes games?
“No game is ever forgotten”
11:20 laughs in miitopia and tomodachi life
*Cries
The latter is a Smash stage, so...
Since u just metioned the games they're not forgotten :D
(This is a joke don't take this seriously)
Star Tropics: Hold my beer
Please God miitopia 2
Arlo: What if Nintendo decides to make a Paper Mario game like the first two?
Me: *laughs in Sticker Star, Color Splash, and Origami King*
Wait what do you mean by that?
@@shuandoyle7871 They mean that those games aren't like the older ones. I haven't played the older ones, so I wouldn't know but that's what they mean.
When he says “in the next direct”
I haven’t heard than name in years...
Hey Nintendo! Can we get virtual console on the Switch?
Nintendo: *no*
Are you bringing back old games though?
Nintendo: *perhaps*
Cyber Console wolf not many people have a computer to play 3ds or wii emulators.
For me personally, GameCube and GBA are most important.
GameCube has never been on VC and GBA has never been on portable VC.
I want GC and Wii games remastered.
hm...are wii forgetting anything else to?
@@jaydenc367 i don't think so
(Yes ik its the wii but still)
@@victornewb89 maybe it could wii games though....but I don't know I doubted it ca't play 3ds games so yeah
Hey arlo!
I think an important thing to consider here is that new and old games have to compete for people's time. If nintendo released too much back-content at once, fans would have an overwhelming amount to explore, and would be less incentivized to buy the newest game, which is the game that they can sell for the most money.
Ideally for Nintendo, their online library would be as small as possible (as long as the offer seems enticing to try, which is why they slowly grow the collection), so that you eventually get tired of playing the retro games or run out of content. This is also why there is a savestate feature in the emulator. I was able to chew through super mario world a lot faster because i didn't have to restart every time i ran out of lives, and this allowed me to move on to the next game more quickly.
Not enough thumbs up on this comment but basically *this* plus the "Disney Vault" marketing strategy is why the game selection is barren. Nothing can be TOO definitive/complete or you wont buy the next thing they release. That's why Galaxy 2 is not included in 3D All-Stars. That's also why some MAJOR titles were missing from the Classic consoles. They purposefully don't give you what you want now so when they sell it later, you will be hungry for it, having been missing it for years.
I think the primary reason why they haven't put alot of their old games on switch is because they still want to try to profit off the 3ds virtual console.
Everybody: So Nintendo, when are you gonna update SNES Online?
Nintendo: *good question.*
_This aged phenomenally._
Professor Pro Nintendo: yes
Homer Dog I think “No” would be more accurate.
They aren’t in any hurry, that’s for sure.
Remember when people were happy when they announced it wouldn't be monthly anymore, that was so baffling that people took that as good news
Thomas McNiel Because then we assumed that it would mean a shorter wait times for new SNES/NES online games, even though monthly was probably the fastest time they could put out SNES/NES games.
I was just gifted a switch and while I'm LOVING my time with it, When I finally looked at the E-shop or the online games I was like " Is this it?"
Where are the N64 games? Gamecube? I would LOVE to get to play these, I never had a N64 or GC so I'm willing to pay for them. Hell PLZ give me obscure and over priced games like Eternal Darkness, Chibi-bo . Imagine having GBC/GBA games?Just... plz nintendo.
Raven Eternal Darkness literaly only costs 20euros thats just 22dollars, less then its inital release price back in the 2000s. how is that overpriced?xd. Not to mention you can get a gamecube+4controllers+game for less then 200euros. so its not like its expensive or anything to buy a gamecube. Besides a year ago we only had NES games for the switch,so just wait another year and theiy announce N64 for switch online,atleast thats how it seems to go.
Eternal Darkness deserves a full remake. Chibi Robo a good remaster.
@@larsliljeberg3970 Ah I forgot to mention US copies, which go for $70-120 over here. So yes, overpriced.
Also there are some people that don't want/ don't have the space , to have a extra console like a GC +4 controllers. Seeing as the Wii had Nes-N64 on Virtual console and Switch after a 1+ year still doesn't have something like that is pretty sad. Hell the shop doesn't even have Netflix and Wii had that LOL. The main point of my augment is accessibility, seeing as the switch can be picked up which is the main reason why ppl want these N64/GBC digital releases.
You should of gotten a wii u and downloaded those games lol
Same here man. I really hope they add some n64 and GameCube games. If they somehow got the rights to release banjo kazooie I’d be so happy.
Arlo, my blue furry dude, I *love* , your, content. You're like the Nintendo of TH-cam; there's something a little magical about what you put out (and it's not just because of the blue fur!)
Growing up with handheld consoles + crappy laptop only, I would pay decent money to have a good catalogue of GameCube titles on a console like the switch. Sure I can emulate them on the laptop, but there's no guarantee they'll run well + I do 90% of my gaming on handheld. Definitely not gonna buy a whole ass GameCube or Wii for those lmao
Basically:
Nintendo, please, be more like Microsoft and learn with them when it comes to the retro catalog and subscription services.
But don't get bought by Xbox PLEASE
Oh don't you worry, they are following microsofts footsteps alright.
but were not in a dark timeline... gaming has never been more popular and nintendo is doing very well
*Valve and Steam*
*Drops Mic*...
...and their online. Jesus fuck the online.
I don't know what you mean, NES Golf was one of Nintendo's best choices for games on the Online System
Who actually played it tho
Said no one ever.
@@labduabdu me
*Sarcasm*
Same for Donkey Kong Jr.
It's MINUTES of fun!
I think you make a great point Arlo, especially with the idea of attracting new fans by making old IP available. I recently tried out Kirby: Triple Deluze simply because I like Kirby in Smash and I saw I could get it for relatively cheap on my DS. I really liked it, and now I'm going to be interested in future Kirby games, much more than I would've been. I think a more comprehensive way to access old classics is the best way to get more converts like me
Arlo: "Handheld play gives us a whole new reason to play anything!"3DS: *sobs*
Martin Torterolo 3DS didn’t support N64 and GameCube and all that but the Switch can
"Some series get ignored for a while when Nintendo doesn't know what to do with them but it feels like nothing is ever forgotten completely."
Unless it's StarTropics we're talking about.
...who?
@@songu262 My point exactly. :P
The entire Nintendo company needs to have a meeting, sit down, shut up, and watch this video.
Why? Most of his arguments are bs. Young players can't be bothered with games from the 90s. They have new games that sell crazy amounts of copies. Pokémon, MK8, Mario Odyssey all sold more than 10 million. A full library of old games won't convince people to buy a switch. They might want to revamp older games Link's Awakening style. N64 had a weird control layout and were mostly 'ugly' games. Wii games have the motion controls to take into account.
Nintendo is doing fine and switches are selling like hotcakes.
@@gwenwalravens8030 lol ok
@@gwenwalravens8030 i guess people cant be bothered with 80s games since nintendos been doing the 8 bit nostalgia pandering with the NSO subscription service right?
@@gwenwalravens8030 Arlo is just saying they could do better, and also I now a lot of young kids who would love to exercise the old games we never got to play. I'm 14 so I think that counts as young.
@@irinaxeno5961 I'd love to see a stat of how many people actually play those games.
This is my first nintendo system since the n64 and snes when I was a little kid. Highly enjoying it, i have 19 games and ive played every one of them and my collection is still growing.
Nintendo's been watching arlo's content 💀
I wanna play the original Majora’s Mask. I was 2 years old when it was released. It would be very nice if I could play it on the Switch instead of having to buy an older console just to play this one game.
Most computers can easily play it nowadays using Project64. Don't hesitate, emulate!
It was on the Wii and Wii u's virtual console. Sad that what is supposed to be an inferior machine(the Wii u) has more features than the new machine.
Ingrid Helgerson there was a remake for the 3DS......unless you’re one of those picky people. You do you
Ingrid Helgerson same I’m just dying to play N64 Online Service
@@stephenobrien6983 But the thing is emulators are illegal
Imagine how awesome people would freak out if Kirby's air ride was released and they got the online play to work
@Walther Penne if you're talkin about needing to pay for Nintendo switch online then yeah totally I was just meaning that it had Lan play where if you had the GameCube network adapter you could connect multiple GameCubes together and play with more than 4 players
First Name Last Name what do you mean to work?
Woah buddy you’re asking way too much from Nintendo
@@FrancoKing419 just make the lan play think it is lan when it is actually on line. if a team of no bodies can do it to halo then they can do it to air ride
Dude. That would be absolutely awesome. Might actually get me to buy a Switch just to experience playing Air Ride with more than just CPUs
what a good and deep analysis, I"m really impressed. to be ready for the future is very important to any company, not just a game company. and it's not easy to know and predict what the people will want to see.
Arlo, after this time there have been no new consoles announced for NSO. We can assume that no more consoles will be released, or that it will be very limited if new ones come out.
I do believe abandoning the virtual console was a baffling decision. The amount of new gamers and returning ones with the Switch is being "wasted" by not giving them the opportunity to re-buy older games.
Best case scenario, Covid interfered with plans for more legacy content, worst case scenario: they're purposely holding back legacy content so they can sell them as more expensive remasters or so we don't have cheaper alternatives to their modern content.
I haven't watched to the end yet so I'll change it later if needed but to answer the question of why are they not selling snes game for $10 a piece instead of a subscription service is because they dont want the sales of snes games to cannabalize the sales of indie and third party games on the switch. That was what happened with the wii u. Doing so will scare third party developers from the system.
I'm glad you said "first 3 Paper Mario games," because Super Paper Mario really doesn't get enough credit.
Super paper Mario should die. That game killed the series.
I like how Arlo suggets the thought of a new F-zero is possible.
I completely agree with you man. My first Nintendo console was the Wii, and it managed to catch my attention with smash brothers and Pokémon, which changed me to a gamer. Since having the online service allowed me to play more NES and SNES games, (while not having to send and arm and a leg for more consoles and games that don’t end up supporting Nintendo), it made me more curious about other older games and ips. I really hope they build up on the online service with more consoles and game.
Anyways, I agree with you man. :)
Arlo's international business is trading and selling cookies.
How many cookies?
Ah, just like Google
Cookie Monger
@@Canti89 all the cookies
Black Mirror cookies
if they end up charging more... oh boi...
OH BOI!
Autumn Wolf I’d pay an extra £10 for games past the 64, £20 for NES, SNES and 64 is fine, £30 for GameCube and beyond each year
30$/€/£ a year to have (portable) access to the best games in the last 40 years (and a meh online service on the side)? Give me.
jesus barrera you act like they are saying they’d pay 100 dollars a month 30 dollars a year is still a cheaper price then Xbox and PlayStations online by A LOT
I still see it as them charging for you to be able to play online, not charging for NES/SNES/whatever may come next, that's an "extra" to justify NSO's existance
Maybe... DON'T charge for online and let people buy a sub if they want NES/SNES games?
@Sasha Alonzo What servers? pretty much everything is done via p2p connections, that's why games like Mario Maker 2 are so laggy
also, saying "it's just what companies do now" is just... NO!
Three years later: GBA, GB, Genesis & N64 on Switch. Still no Wii or GameCube, but we just got Kirby’s Return to Dreamland Deluxe Yesterday so…. Kinda?
I really want to play Super Paper Mario again. I really loved that game as a kid. The story and characters are incredible. Unfortunately, my disc got scratched and I no longer have a wii after moving out a while back. I check every so often to see if they've ported it yet.
It's sad you have to clarify it's just constructive criticism. Theres definitely a tone difference between you just being negative and trying to give helpful advice. You're just voicing what most of us think
I’m concerned about what happens after NSO is inevitably discontinued. Will we just lose access to all our games and saves we paid $20/year for? Probably.
Yup, and then pay for it all over again on the next Nintendo System XD
It's not that good of a deal.
Honestly, I feel like Nintendo would make the subscription free after releasing the new console. I don’t know why, I just have a feeling
@@pr0xy87 Do the SNES games really run on servers? or are you guys talking about games like Smash or Splatoon?
@@pr0xy87 oh. well... uh... i guess were screwed.
And this is what causes piracy
Been interesting to see how some of these older videos have aged.
Shoutout that you should do a review of some of this older content to see how your predictions aged. 🙃
How, HOW!? Have I never seen your channel!? Subscribed!
Great thoughts Arlo!
I think there could be a few perks from laying low with releasing things.
1. It gives them a Hail Mary if things go South. Should sales fall, the boom of potential games could draw people back in.
2. Being a high school teacher, I hear a lot that online services are popular with the upcoming adults. Tying the legacy games to online gives higher chance that newer audiences will try them.
3. Stretching out the releases will tease people to buying the online for longer periods of time. I almost considered another year just for SNES titles.
Overall, I think your arguments outweigh these ones. But these are possibly what Nintendo is thinking?
Yeah, thoes are good arguments but generally everything is based around certain Market trends and how things will go if only they contuie the exact same route.
1.) The things going south depends on if Nintendo catches the southward drop in time to put out enough content at a 'COst balance' to save their selves, and not at a huge loss.
2.) Online services are a good way to attach newer people, but if that was the case then Xbox Gamepass and the Backwards combality would be making the Xbox more dominate in the market space. Nintendo on it's own has a much more loved and wider varity of games and history, but even that has it's limits to the amount of games people 'Would still play' even if they're attached to a small fee a month, when their friends are playing other titles that are 'newer'.
3.) Stretching the release window has the tension hang that some people will jsut go play other things, leading into my response to 1, that also includes if theirs no Definate idea that 'Their title they want to play will ever appear on the subscription list'. For instances, I could love playing FF14 and pay the monthly subscription for the game cause it allows me to get new Costumes for my charater… I could see that the new costumes are only coming in for Subs, but the Class and charater I choose to play as and 'ONLY' want to play as get's either VERY sparse outfits I don't like, or none at all... Suddenly I'm playing Destiny 2 and Square says 'Here's the costume you liked for your CHarater!' buuuutttt… I'm already playing something else that is asking for my time and money, I might never go back to FF 14 for lack of intrests in the content, THe fact I'll have to replay large bits to get to said content, or just fell dis interested with the product.
This isn't being malicious thoes are pretty good points like I said, and the good Muppet has made plenty of his own also, it boils down a lot of wither or not Nintendo is wiling to take the risk andddd… they are jsut super willing to take the long game risk that a hand full of companies do, but at a mixed bag of questions... even when Microsoft gave us backwards compatibility at no cost, the list was longer then 3 - 6 titles each, and had a long slew of Varity.
@Soupmaster101 Even IF they release the game for them, theirs no garentee that they will continue to pay after theyr'e done with said games, and along side that is the realization that 'ALOT' of those games may have already been purchased with the other Several times they re-re-re-released them. Even if the big advantage is to play thoes games on the go, how many times will they continue to Repurchase the same game again and again cause, up till the Wii-WiiU lifetime you couldn't transfer 'Any' of thoes games to the next one (Cept maybe the DS but I never had digital games on mine to test sides the ambassador load which had most all the games from the NES mini and several Nintendo packages) The games on the Online front have a shelf life now, Nintendo has a cycle for thoes titles to be available and then not like GamePass, even if they're First party, the Switch can only hod so many games with it's limited space, and what games can go on the SD card are going to feel abit laggy if you shelled for a cheap card... or suddenly Nintendo recommends you 'NEED' proper internet access to play the games... The future is about as bright as 'Every Company working together without issue'... and if we are going further and further into Hoping companies like Comcast are going to play nicely... Yyyyyeeeaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh...
1 hour after vide comes out
Nintendo: *We have more NES and SNES games.*
Which apparently includes Star Fox 2 as well. Go figure.
I literally just checked for new games on both earlier today, when will they be released?
Vicerion17, 12.12.
He still has good points that still hold up, but it is way ironic
Still no EarthBound though...
I think... there is another reason legacy games aren't being supported. I might get shame for this but I'm a hacker, I modified my 3ds, my DSI, I bought two flashcarts and I even pirated Ultra Moon. my thoughts as to why they aren't porting legacy games is because they're scared to open up old exploits to their new console. it's probably the same reason there isn't an official web browser on the switch also, despite even the 3ds having one. save for the money, they want to keep moding to a bare minimum to prevent the same issues the 3ds faced.
Great video man i really like the diverse videos you create on Nintendo, you do have a point about you stick with what you grown up with (SNES). Would love to see N64/ Gamecube classics on switch