While I agree with the opposition's position, I would probably have to say that the Proposer's won the debate. This side just had no one to match Mehdi Hasan. Hitchens or Harris would have been extremely useful for this debate.
@@TheMindIlluminated yeah the guy who wrote books, spent his life learning how to say and what to say, made new arguments for the side and his career is debating against religion. sure he will be a tool.
At this point and after the damage Mr. Mehdi caused, I'm only watching the sequel of this debate out of respect for Mr. Peter Atkins' knowledge in his field.
Ah yes, the Arabs, who read it in their native language, taught it in their native language and UNDERSTOOD it in their native language, are all becoming ex Muslims. Scholars who study the meaning are becoming ex Muslim too! Makes sense now….
There is no such thing as "The word of god" only the word of "men". God cannot write books. Gods are human concepts/ideas - that's it, and like all bad ideas they will have their day.
***** people have been believing in God since time immemorial. İf it was an idea,or a bad idea as you put it, it would have died by now. Even you , obliviously acknowledged His All mighty existence with what you just wrote above and i quote you,''God cannot write books''. Just remember you are going to stay in the grave more than you lived on earth. And you'll live eternally when you wake up again. Beware of hell fire where people will never die nor live in it. We are certainly from Allah and to him we shall return. My friend ,My brother in humanity, as we are all sons of Adam, even from an economical standpoint, it is better to invest yourself in islam for a couple of years of your worldly life for the hearafter than live as you desire in this world at the cost of the here after which is as long as eternity. I in vite you to islam :)
True humans have long believed in gods. All were invented. Thor, Amon Ra, Zeus, El, Tlaloc + many thousands of Earth, Rain Fire gods etc. As for the grave, ask yourself before you were born was it any amount of time? did you suffer? NO. When we die we return to this same eternal state. Eternity has nothing to do with time. It is outside to time.Hell, like heaven, is another human concept usually used to install fear. There is not literal place called hell. You can test this by looking for it on google maps. You know there is no Allah. Allah can literally do nothing. Test this by asking this most merciful and passionate god to stop others killing in his name. Surely the greatest insult! Or to heal the sick. It won't literally happen since Allah is no more than a made up ideal like all of mankind gods. I do actually study the Quran / Bible and other religious texts. I agree with you on one point. What we have in common is our humanity. Live now - we are NO TIME dead. As-salamu alaykum
***** the way you study is different, there is where the problem arises. Allah leaves murderers to live for reasons incomprehensible to humans, but I can tell you some, Among his 99 names is the forbearer, so He will wait. Number two is that He waits for them to repent. If He were to destroy people immediately after the commit a sin, there would be no one left on earth. That why, among his 99 names is ''The most Merciful''. He makes people sick so that he tests the people who have the financial power to help heal the sick . The way i studied Islam and the way you studied it is way different. We studied the rationales behind every single verse and found its flawless wisdom. That I think is where your problems arise. By the way, I couldn't help but notice you contradicting yourself again. And I quote you, '' You know there is no Allah. Allah can literally do nothing''. The first sentence disprove His existence, the second one approves it but states his incapability.
It's extremely interesting, from a "non religious" observation, to read such strong and passionate comments that are stated as facts without the use of correct terminology.
George Rickard No. You judge them by the scriptures they read to their kids every night before they go to sleep and eventually decide to become allahu snakbar jihadists.
This video was filmed 10 years ago, but couldn't be any more relevant than it is today. Europe now faces what this man was talking about, and gets a taste of what radical Islam is.
Stop generalizing Islam. Of course Hamas is bad, but what did you expect? Did you think Hamas wouldn't do anything? I mean, you want Palestinians to suffer silently right? By the way there are Christian Hamas soldiers lol and Israel bombed the third oldest church in the world (1600 years old), a 600 year old Monastery in Lebanon A DAY before Christmas.
Questions: 1- Qur'an teaches peace and freedom of opinion. I agree. But why do some Islamic countries have the "death for apostasy" law? 2- If those Islamic countries have made up the "death for apostasy" law on their own and are misrepresenting Qur'an, then isn't it the responsibility of Muslims to persuade them to stop misrepresenting Qur'an by abolishing the "death for apostasy" law? 3- Wouldn't be easier to promote Islam in non-Islamic countries when no "death for apostasy" law exists in the currently Islamic countries? 4- What guarantees that promoting a peaceful Islam in a non-Islamic country will not eventually lead to "death for apostasy" law after it becomes an Islamic country?
They misinterpreted a statement of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). The "death for apostasy" was made because in the early days of Islam it was a war on the state and the "apostates" apostatized because they did not want to follow the law and become the leaders of the Caliphate unjustly.
Zayd Hussein Mia But some Islamic countries still have the "death for apostasy" laws in place today. Are you saying the whole country misinterpreted the statement and they have not yet realized that they misinterpreted the statement?
atam mardes Yes, they have misinterpreted the statement, just as Saudi Arabia has created un-Islamic laws such as not allowing women to drive. There are many innovations in Salafi and Shi'i (Iranian) Islam and this is just one of them.
Islam has death penalty for apostasy and it's procedure is if one muslim converts to some other religion. Then scholars of islam will say to that man to come back to islam if you will not come back then argue with us and let's have a discussion to find which religion is true, I mean that which religion is valid to be followed. If he can prove that the new religion is better then the new religion is valid to be followed but if can't then the scholars of islam will prove to him that islam is the only valid true religion which is must to be followed to go to paradise in the Hereafter. Islam is the only religion which can answer all the questions which can come in your mind. The scholars will convince him for three days to take him back to islam. And if he doesn't come he will be sentenced to death penalty. All those are bullying on Islam are those who don't know about islam and whoever gain the true knowledge of islam converts to islam. Just search and listen to those who converted to islam are the highly educated intelligent men in Europe and America and those converted to some other religion from islam they are those who are uneducated and those who don't have the knowledge of Islam. So my friend feel the difference.
Hello, I really appreciate you for asking questions rather than badmouthing like some others on here. Personally, I would recommend that you actually do some more research on this yourself as it might help you come up with an idea of why it exists. However, I will try to answer your question and if it makes sense to you great! if not, well no one can change that. First let me start off by explaining what this law really is and why it is in place in Islamic states. The "death for apostasy" law came into use when atheists and polytheists at the time of the holy prophet(pbuh) used to seemingly convert to Islam and then leave Islam just to spread hate and denounce it amongst the masses. “And a section of the people of Book says, ‘believe at day-break in what has been sent down to those who believe and deny at the day-end; perhaps they may turn away.’” (Qur’an 3:72). They did this because they had extreme animosity towards the prophet(pbuh) they did not like that the Holy Prophet(pbuh) was changing their wild ways and showing them decency, gratefulness etc. Another important thing that I want to mention is that this law only comes into affect when the apostasy becomes public. This is where your freedom of thinking and freedom of opinion/expression separate. You have no limits freedom of thought, however when you start taking action on it it becomes your deed and hence if you become apostate and keep to yourself this law does not apply, if you go out in the public denouncing Islam; spreading lies, hate and encouraging others around you to leave the religion, it results in this law being applied. 1)You are absolutely correct, Islam does teach peace and freedom of opinion, however, freedom of opinion/expression has to remain within the confines of the state in which you reside. For instance, if you are in a proper Islamic state you have to go by their laws, if you are in a western state, you have to follow their laws. The Islamic countries have to keep this law since it is told by the Holy Quran. 2)No these Islamic countries have not made up this law, hence no Muslim denies it because they themselves know it exists. 3)Im not sure I understand this question.. please do reply to me with a clearer explanation. 4)Who says non-Islamic countries will become Islamic countries so soon? or ever? It is not like Islam is being spread and Muslims are trying to take over each and every country..... Come on. Just to answer your question though.. if a country does "decide" to become an Islamic country it will definitely have the "death for apostasy" law. No guarantee that it will not. I know to an outsider it might seem very opressive and destructive of the freedom of a person, but when you get to know of the reasoning and conditions of this law it becomes very clear. Remember that Islam is a very "just" religion so every action is counted for. Also, don't just get stuck looking at Islam through this law... It is a very small detail compared to what the whole of Islam actually is.
And this is exactly the kind of argument every nitwit like you has who believes in scientific fables like big bang. Name calling and clueless distortions.
What😂 it’s open season on Muslims and Islam and has been for 20 years. Of course you could give this speech today. Change your question to “could you imagine even giving this speech about Judaism” and be intellectually honest with yourself as to what would happen.
And you could probably find videos of racists or religious bigots from 60 years ago saying things that would make a modern audience cringe. If he's "not allowed" to give the speech today, it's probably because most of the public has been enlightened on the matter. This side had their chance to debate this 10 -15 years ago, and they lost.
Would Native Americans, Australian Aborigines, the Indigenous Peoples of New Zealand, the KhoiKhoi of Southern Africa, etc, agree? Have Islam been the primary threat to their family units, their culture, their communities?
It’s a TH-cam echo chamber. It’s very well saying western Muslims are peaceful and not oppressed but it’s very different in Saudi Arabia that still lives with medieval values.
@@personifiedape5347 Islam teaches medieval values though, that’s the problem. To be a moderate muslim you have to ignore your prophets example, so moderate muslims dont prove anything
@@mr_ander_3989 You obviously didn't dissect islam very well. (1) You refer to quran 5:32 to prove islam does not support terrorism? The verse is: "That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life-unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land-it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity". - Muslims love quoting this verse without understanding it. It DOES NOT APPLY TO MUSLIMS. It applies to the 'CHILDREN OF ISRAEL'. The children of Israel are NOT MUSLIMS, they are jews. If you had bothered to read the very next verse (5:33), you'd have seen this peaceful gem: "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land." One might ask: 'What does spreading mischief mean?' Well thankfully, the Quran elaborates, in surah 4:89 it says: "They wish you would disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so you may all be alike. So do not take them as allies unless they emigrate in the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them" - so the quran orders the execution of apostates who leave islam and try to convince others to do the same. (2) You same some rubbish about chopping off hands depending on the society we live in. The Quran is supposed to be perfect is it not? So don't tell me following the quran depends on what society you live in. The society you live in does not change the inherent immorality of the quran's commandments.
O disbelievers, (1) I do not worship what you worship. (2) Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. (3) Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. (4) Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. (5) For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (6)
@@larknoone565 Yes, Christianity 2.0 is the Church of England which is filled with neocons and liberals like Boris Johnson that looks towards secular humanism. Only the original version that the Apostles lived by, which conservative Evangelicals have adopted works. So no to pornography, sex culture, and Marxism. We need to bring back our old British culture and maintain it, not have liberals start porn industries to destroy it and split families apart.
@@larknoone565 It's not, you just never read the Quran or the Bible, that's your personal opinion to favour your worldview. You're just assuming, and I could say the same about secular humanism that western non-theists live in, they're rather not good at living by it because if they lived by it radically, they'll be more like Joseph Stalin. If you want sex, leave the country and go wherever. Many Gen-Z chaps are waking up to take back our European nations. The UK, mainland Europe, and the United States are European and the cultures are European. Our Western laws weren't written for Wahhabis, Salafis, and atheists anyroad. They were written for Calvinists, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox Christians.
Muhammed- The Islamic prophet was a violent warlord. "The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717) Although there are many reliable accounts from the Hadith and Sira that mention the Mustaliq grazing cattle, not one mentions Muhammad making any effort at peacemaking. In this case, Muhammad's men raped the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371). What does raping a female captive have to do with self-defense? In many situations, Muhammad waged war for the purpose of revenge, such as the attack on the Lihyan, in which the people were clearly not prepared for war and saved themselves only by fleeing into the hills (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 718). Muhammad also attacked the people of Taif as soon as he had the opportunity to avenge their rejection of him (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 280 & 872). Also disproving the myth that Muhammad only fought in self-defense is the account of his first attack on the Christians. There was no compelling reason for him to send an army to Muta (in Syria, where they met with disaster at the hands of the Byzantines). Had this been a matter of self-defense, then the enemy would surely have followed the routed army back to Arabia, but this was not the case (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 791). Near the end of his life, the prophet of Islam directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructions to his people for dealing with each case: "The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you." (Sahih Muslim 4346) As can be seen, those who were not at war with the Muslims are to be subjugated anyway, and their property seized. The only distinguishing factor is the extent of Muslim entitlement following the victory.
of course he did,the quraisy people has gang up on prophet Muhammed pbuh first killing alot of women and children....so,U have a brain.GO FIGURE.the women and children were kept hostage but been taken good care of ,brother. P/S:they started it first though...you study before type stupid things,brother.
Jannah Aqilah There was ZERO effort at peacemaking or conciliatory. Muhammed only had a demoniac agenda to conquer the masses and this stated with the tribes the non believers, infidels. Read the entire texts and you will find this. There weren't always motives to his killings, and wars he started against the people. Muhammed was a violent and deluded individual.
Jannah Aqilah There is plenty of proofs in the hadiths; I will provide more scripture based proofs. There was no way Islam could have spread so rapidly without violent efforts; same goes for Christianity; except, Islam was totally different.
These are ahadith that you are quoting....they're not even authentic...I don't care if they are considered "sahih". Mohammad even said himself that "no one is to write anything down except the Qur'an." The Qur'an itself warns people to not follow any other narrations (ahadith) except what is in the Qur'an. Of course hadiths displays bloodshed and so forth. Hadiths are fabrications invented by the method of the chinese whisper style. They were created to give power and political stance by using religion as a tool. I'm aware that you didn't use a single Qur'an verse...since of course no one can truly find anything that established the fact that it is teachings of evil. Especially when the Qur'an gives justification why certain tribes had to be destroyed, due to their tyranny and oppression over their own people. Only the righteous and pious people were spared..those that instill good and forbid evil.
The Quran says in sura 25:63: ( The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, “Peace!” )
@Baked Beans But if you're talking about the actions of certain Muslim civilizations in the past, first of all i disagree and i don't believe that any Muslim civilizations ever committed genocide and second of all, let me remind you of the Crusaders that committed genocide publicly in Jerusalem 1099 CE
@@yousefissa9135 Quran 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve so strike upon their necks and strike every fingertip Quran 9:5 Slay the infidels wherever you find them. Lay siege to them, take them captive Quran 9:29 Fight the Jews and Christians till they pay you the poll tax and they feel subdued Quran 9:33 Islam has been made to prevail over any religion Quran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home, an evil fate. I could go on
@@westsideslasha in 9:73 this is a reference what to do in war. Islam dosent claim to be a pacifist religion but that doesn’t mean we go attack others. Once we are in war or someone attacks us we will fight to defend ourselves. I suggest before u go and showing verses go read the whole Quran then learn its meaning. Because in a chapter which is mentioning war it will say stuff like that.
@@westsideslasha Dude that's like saying "OMG they killed people during war times! How horrible!" These are, as @Dragon_Gaming said, meant for war times. If someone is attacking you you fight back so you don't, uhh, die? Quran 8:12, in its entirety, is "[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip." We wish to be strong in the face of opposition. Words of encouragement are not signs of a war-mongering religion. "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." I simply can't believe that you left that last part out. IF THEY REPENT YOU FORGIVE. Such a horrible religion, how could they forgive and release prisoners that apologize? A non-peaceful religion would not have 4 whole months where you are not allowed to be non-peaceful (sacred months). Don' just point at things you have to look at context as well. "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled." Fight against the non-Muslims in war times, how unexpected. Of course YOU SHOULD FIGHT YOUR ENEMY. If they attack you attack back. "It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it." What kind of religion says it ISN'T the true religion. Christians believe that they are "the" faith. Jews believe THEY are "the" faith. Hindus believe they are "the" faith. Muslims believe they are "the" faith. What's non-peaceful about that? " O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination." Be harsh upon your enemies in wartime, we are not pacifist, we use violence is certain contexts like Mehdi Hasan said. Please, show me more.
I shall put it on my list of books to read however I must submit that he owes a debt like your to him to the golden age of Islam. thank you for informing us of Mr. Atkins book.
@@rafiulalam2390 I m a Muslim too But don't go on insulting someone . Then it wouldn't make any difference of having a debate of Islam as a religion of peace when we not so good Muslims go on insulting others.
I see in the 'About' section that 286 voted that Islam is a religion of peace and 168 voted that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. My understanding is also that this event is one held by the prestigious Oxford University. I see this as evidence that leftists have truly destroyed some if not all of the great educational institutions. Because this 'issue' is not actually a truly debatable one. To be of the opinion that Islam is peaceful is to be completely ignorant of Islam. From it's founding 'prophet' in the 7th century to the current year of 2014, Islam has been and is a religion of violence, murder, rape, oppression, conquest, intolerance, deception, and destruction. There is so much evidence of this that a 'post' is nowhere close to sufficient as a medium to carry this knowledge. Because there are mountains of material evidence that can be brought to bear. I believe the confusion occurs when we hear the cliché that it is just a tiny fringe group of extremists that make Islam look bad. This is the great lie that is allowing Islam to flourish. As I said I don't have near enough space for all the proofs, but ask yourself this question; how often do you see this question debated with the subject being atheism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other belief system? There is a reason for that........ Want more on the vile filth of Islam? post me back.
Hamza ISIAM How did FOX news become my source? Do you deny that Muhammad married a 6 year old girl when he was 50? Do you consider that the behavior of "the perfect man"? Do you know the story of your "prophet" when Aisha showed him the woman who had been beaten so badly by her husband that "her skin is as green as her dress"? Would you like to be the one to share the response of Muhammad in your next post? Do you deny that the Islamic caliphate was built on wars of conquest against the infidel in accordance with the teachings of your "prophet"? Do you deny your religion has the death penalty for apostasy? How do you feel about all the lives lost due to the worldwide riots over cartoons? If you like I can send you some lovely links to Imam describes the proper beating of wives, Qur'an quotes that call for violence, or perhaps you'd like to tell me the penalty in the Islamic state of Iran for "acts of homosexuality? Pedal your disgusting filth elsewhere. Oh and by the way when I set up the links here don't bother telling me that western scholars cannot properly translate the Qur'an. I know it's just another lie the Qur'an tells you to use with infidels.
the hate has being rooted. she was 9 when he had the first sexual relation with her but if you claim such a stupid old claim i heard 100 times before you should ask if she was ready,if she past the age of puberty,if marrying a girl younger than you was something strange in the past read the history many kings and queens married at a very early age,why his enemies at that time who insulted him with all kinds of words but none of them say kids raper or something similar ? if you have a some knowledge on science people living in a sunny place like desert get on puberty in a very early age and Qurach and medina are in desert (science says not quran not me.) plus the fact that humans are different we dont have the same shape or the same body or the same mentality so dont judge ppl by their age judge them by their character and brain. I would like to answer all your questions and believe me i can but unfortunately you are not the only one who claim such a cheap claims and miss-quote the Quran. if i start explaining every point you brought we will go in endless conversation and pointless (from my expirience with haters of islam ) so i would rather suggest that you stop on the hate and with an open mind study islam and the "sira nabawia" life story of islam and muhammed(pbu) from the right source and make sure its not against or with the islam
2st comment bullshit talk about islam like excepted ... where are evidence at i dont know i prefer we meet at the judgement day whatever you believe in it or not its happening inevitably. peace im done with the stones
Hamza ISIAM Didn't bother with any of the links? of course not. Don't care to answer any question about Islam I asked? what a shock. didn't bother denying a single accusation? no, of course not. It registered with you that I am someone you cannot fool with your lies about Islam. What is that word?? the one for lying about Islam to infidels? Oh and what is the word for the special tax that non-Muslim's must pay?
Ishmael may have come from Abram but that is where it ends. Mohammad was not in the line of Issac Jacob or Jesus. He inserted himself into the line calling himself in essence a Jew. Both Jews and Christians totally reject all the teachings of Islam.
if you look at the old testament my friend its actually quite similar to the quran, and abraham preceded the times of the jewish and christian religion. everyone follows one god which is what islam is about. and Muhammed did not insert himself anywhere PHUH, he is the final prophet, and im sure we could say the same about the church "inserting" saints for you to worship AFTER your religious text was sent you from the lord. dont be hatin homie just do some research.
no no no youre done. just a hateful lonely old man with nothing better to do then hate-monger. live your life get out there and be the best you can be im sure you have loads of potential
If peaceful means not going for a fight if attacked, then I agree Islam is not a peaceful religion. It becomes a sin if Muslim don't fight if attacked. There are many wars which has nothing to do with Islam, why not make a debate with the title " Christianity is not a peaceful religion". When are going to make this a debate? If you don't then I assume it is a boring title.
Abdul, Christianity like Islam and all religions are not inherently peaceful. Christianity has been responsible for a vast amount of misery throughout it's history and so it will continue I've no doubt. That however was not the question asked. As for the right of self defence! All nations have that right and if attacked have the right to defend and repel attackers. But Religion should never seek to conquest under the thinly veiled guise of self defence.
Islam is a relgion of good values and peace; the main concept of Islam based on :mercy, peace and forgiveness. As regarding, that there are 100 verses or references In Quran Indicate that Islam is not peaceful religion, that really misconception and totally untrue T have read Quran multiple time with analytical way throughout ten years, I have found out that any mention of using violence was only as a defense "a defensive war " when aggression against Muslims happened at the time of the messenger Mohammad, or else Islam was obliterated at its cradle. As for the narrative saying :"Mohammed commanded to fight people till they Believe", that saying Contradict with Quran verses so that keep to Quran verses and not be confused by the narrative of the extremists who take the Quranic Verses out of the context distorting the message of the peaceful and merciful religion ;Islam. God says : O Mohammad, l have sent you only to be mercy for mankind and other creatures " verse no. 21, Chapter no. 107. Verse no 256 chapter no. 1- says : " No coercion in accepting religion, it is" now the truth (Islam) has been distinguished from false relgion ". Chapter 109 verse no. 6 Say (Muhammad) to disbelievers : " you have your religion and I have my religion " As for women right according to Islam religion they more powerful in Islam than other religions and they accept Islam much more than men, The first person accepted Islam was "his boss" a powerful woman ( Muhammad 's wife ;khadiga) As for chopping hand, flogging This punishment was made difficult To put in force and no longer relevant according to Islam concept. As for stoning, stoning not mentioned in Quran. Quran revealed in Arabic language The words of Quran in itself miracle ;unmatched and unrivaled so that its difficult to translate ; each one word packed with meanings Please read it carefully, more and more!!!!!!!!! Muhammad ghander 27th of May 2021
Peter Atkins is an example of a notion that being a professor at Oxford, being an intellectual in the field of chemistry one can still be profoundly stupid and ignorant.
"I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to death to protect your right to say it.” Voltaire 18th century. “I disagree with what you say, and I will fight to YOUR death for your duty NOT to say it.” Islamist 21st century.
To Imagine Better Things : I loved reading your monologue, which is factually based. I think some may have thought that I was an apologist for Islam. I am not. As an ethnic Armenian, I assure the readers that I had not forgotten about the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1917. But, facts are facts. It had NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM any more that the genocidal policies of the English toward the Irish in the nineteenth century had to do with Christianity. The Armenian genocide was squarely the (Part 1)
I left my country because of Islam for being Gay and Apostate even though it doesn't have declared punishments in the law, but the constitution says Sharia law is source of jurisdiction and as such I'm silenced and discriminated upon. ISLAM is a BAD RELIGION. It has clear declared punishments for apostasy and homosexuality and blasphemy and clear Jihad verses and hadiths and the Biography of Mohammed and interpretations of Quran support this.
but the turks wanted to enfore islamic doctrine on non-beleivers and your forgetting the british were renowned at easily avoiding famines but letting them happen
I'm a Muslim Sunni & I condemn the Genocide of Armenians or of any other ethnicity. I thank you for your impartial & honest stances towards Islam. Peace from Kuwait, we've a large Armenian community here, actually, the son of the Armenian Ambassador is our friend & he's a frequent attendant to our diywania & our different religions have never been a misunderstanding between us.
The Armenian genocide was not based on religious beliefs, it was a conspiracy by the famously incompetent Enver Pasha to blame the Armenians for his poor military skills. There was a whole propaganda campaign in the Ottoman Empire, accusing the Armenians of conspiring with the Russians to sabotage the Ottomans. That was obviously not true and I would not expect anything else from current and future politicians who follow a Nationalist ideology.
For God's sake, stop posting these bits and pieces. *A debate is a debate* It's a whole thing, to be taken hook line and sinker. Showing just a part of it is like playing one movement of a symphony. I expect more from Oxford.
he says no because he's afraid of being proved wrong. if he really wanted an open honest debate he would entertain those "interruptions" if he was confident in his information
Abdalla Ramadan nope, because if he answered their "interruptions" then his time to speak would be spent on answering their interruptions instead of explaining his case.
Let's put ISLAM on trial! If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, women's rights, sexuality, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be absolutely devastating...GUILTY ON ALL ACCOUNTS! Look at ISLAMIC history... Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. ISLAM is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. ISLAM is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism. Let's debate if "islam is a religion of peace?" before MUSLIMS shut down the free flow of information because they can't win in the arena of COMMON SENSE!
Apples and Oranges.... You mustn't compare a religion (Islam), with a geographical area (the West). Compare religions, and in this, extreme religious belief and indoctrination, because very few people who practice Islam, commit crimes such as slavery, imperialism (where?), intolerance, women rights abuses, and warfare (well, Christianity and Judaism would easily win on the warfare front, simply because of their devastating weapons and the number of people they kill with them). Next: History.... Islam never gives up what it conquers? Do you have any knowledge of Christian territorial history at all? Wasn't America taken from the Native Americans by Christians and never given back? Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Israel????? All these countries are essentially Christian (or Jewish in the case of Israel), "have never given up what they conquered, be it religion, culture, language or life". Islam is convinced of its own perfection? Well of course, but then so is every other religion in the world. Do you mean, Muslims or the religion? If you mean Muslims, then you are wrong, because there are Muslims that question the doctrines, you just don't hear about them in the Western media.
Francine Last Seriouisly? As a women, you are defending this madness? The same madness that clearly instructs muslim "men" on how to PUNISH and BEAT their wife(s)?? (Quran 4:34). The same religion that plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives? The same religion where their “holy” Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants? Seriously?
Ed Z give me one example where islam actually says that women are inferior? ... A man once came to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and asked him "who is the person that should be dearest and closest to me?" Prophet Mohammed replied "Your Mother" , the man said "then who?" , Prophet Mohammed said "Your Mother" , the man said "and then who?" Prophet Mohammed said "Your Mother" the man said "Then who?" Prophet Mohammed finally said "Your Father"... this shows that Islam encourages people (Men or Women) to show their utmost respect to their Mothers who are women... another Hadith says "Heaven is under your Mother's feet" ... and many verses recite to the respect of Women, It'd take me months to post them all over here... The truth is that you are just "islamophobic" like the rest of the people over here.
The ancient scriptures of all the Abrahamic faiths (especially the Old Testament) are full of rape and abuse to women, not just the Quran. In many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives. 1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT) So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan. The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse." Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes. Obviously these women were repeatedly raped. 2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT) They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves. Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins. 3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14) As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you. What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery? 4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT) If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her. What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God. 5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB) If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife. It is clear that God doesn't care about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property". 6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB) Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.' Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.] This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. And then he kills a child! 7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." Once again God approves of forcible rape. 8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB) They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB) 9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) 10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB) Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Ed Z HAHAHAHA NOTHING! there is absolutely NOTHING in the Quran that says the things you just mentioned above NOTHING at all, that is the most made up crap ive ever heard!! You are trying to teach me verses of my own Quran and Hadiths? telling me lies about my own religion? PATHETIC! you are just as stupid as the man speaking in the video above... I actually thought that you were someone I could argue with, but your IQ level is so low that I cant even believe it.... you actually made me laugh... kudos to you sir, you turned out to be the funniest guy i have met on youtube....
I cannot understand how these Muslims refuse to take responsibility for their actions. This speaker totally NAILED IT so hard that it hit many a nerves. People don't like their delusions being tampered with.
@@kiranthomas5944 math are pretty easy : devide the nmbr of possible radicals by the nmbr of all muslims (2 Billion in 2023) the nbr of radicals won't reach 20 thousands. that's 0.001% of the population and that's far less then the nbr of muslims who are suffering in China and Myanmar. If we suppose that there are 20 million Muslims between China and Mianmar then : nbr of radicals / nbr of muslims who suffers = 0.1%
I am curious as to where I can be informed of the final result of the vote conducted in his session. If anyone knows the result and would be kind enough to let me know, I would appreciate it.
Even though its easy to pick up the Quran and read it like a Jane Austen novel, theres a lot more involved with reading it. People have dedicated their entire lives to analyse and understand the Quran, and they have said that you need to understand 4 key elements, 1) Arabic grammar, 2) Pre Islamic Arabia, 3) historical context and 4) Islamic jurisprudence. Lezlie Hazleton (a Jewish lady) describes her experience as 'a tourist in the Quran' i would recommend her video on TED talks to understand
@@lennydale92 precisely. The Quran is something i have studied my entire life. My parents decided to forgo formal education and enroll me into Islamic school from age 3. I have left Islam. I’ve spent decades studying this from teachers, everything I’ve learned culminated into me leaving the stupid religion i was born in. I studied Arabic for years too. Islam is horrible.
@@lennydale92 it actually is but a lot of people ignore the faults in their understanding when reading the quran. once u understand its good to go. but you cnat sya it is if u dont undertsand
@Yellow Submarine what's your excuse lol and why you deleted it though you people can only make excuses that's the most thing you can do while ISLAM PROVIDE YOU ALOT OF SOLUTION THE LAUGH IS ON YOU
@Orla jekins that's enough to prove your ignorance and how bigot you are PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) DID NOT DIE FROM A POISON JUST A LIE BY PHOBES THATS ENOUGH TO TELL HOW MUCH IDIOT YOU ARE
I have 100% respect for this amazing Oxford University Physical Chemist. I own and have used his Physical Chemistry textbooks to the nth degree and will utilise them for life! Well done Professor Atkins. 100% agree with his opinions on that Islam.
No idea why this has so many thumbs down, I thought it was a fairly respectable rebuttal. The irony of the supporters of Islam is you can only have a debate like this in non-Muslim countries as Islam is inherently a violent religion!
Very true, brother. That is why people need to have experience & study something with somebody who is part of that thing, like Islam. Lack of knowledge creates concern, concern creates fear, fear creates ignorance, & thus a new & unnecessary argument is born. But indeed, no matter what people say whether they like it or not Islam is a true & peaceful religion & Allah is & will always be the greatest. Ameen. 😌🌿
Hahaha, the reason why some people think that the proposition keep on interrupting is because the main points of the proposition are correct and the opposition cannot POI them while the opposition can't answer back the POI that the proposition team gives.
It is really hard to go head to head because they have little time each. They are reading their notes and speeches and are trying to to get their points and information accros as quickly as possible. That is probably why they do not accept questions. I all though do understand your statement, it would be more for filling if they had more time.
For anyone who has experience with the Oxford debates, do the opposition debate for the sake of the debate itself? Specifically, is Peter Atkins arguing for the side claiming Islam is not peaceful because the debate needs some one to debate for that side or is it what he truly believes?
Hi. Atkins would never adopt a point of view merely to make up the numbers in a debate. He loathes religion, and has often written and spoken about Christianity in remarkably hostile terms as well.. Best regards
As I told you before: Keep insulting me if this seems to make your day and keeps you happy! If only you would have a point - you don't even have a "coma" - LOL! I'm not bothered by people of your habitus. Have a great day ...
All mentioned in the Hadith. √ The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread. √ Rain will be acidic or burning (acid rain). √ A trust becomes a means of making a profit. √ Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor. √ People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed. √ Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time. √ Singers and musical instruments will become popular, Gangnam Style? Need I say more? Because there's much more.
@@samiharb1684 @Sami Harb very easy to find on youtube and google. If you are interested in prophecies I urge you to also watch this video. th-cam.com/video/LH-5JapwgqU/w-d-xo.html
@@dreamer2260 You could also see someone jump across 3 rooftops do an aerial somersault at the end and land perfectly and call it not impressive in the slightest. You actually have to be more elaborate Matthew. Have a look th-cam.com/video/LH-5JapwgqU/w-d-xo.html Therein contains a thorough breakdown and an appropriate framework for prophecies.
When today’s jihādis punctuate their deeds with “Allāhu Akbar,” are they just advertising the Matt Groening character? And when Al Qaeda’s Mustafa Abul-Yazeed said “If the Americans agree to our conditions....we would offer a long truce, say ten years. Then we will ask them to become Muslims and if they refuse we will impose the jizya,” was that just cultural? How about Ayatollah Khomeini when he said “Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword”?
Muslims when they come to developed countries the regime is not the same as in their home back. they are not to blame.but i think evolving in society changing your strict regime is necessary if you want to succeed in the current world.muslims should develop its thinking of an individual mind who really believes in Islam from their heart and not by the regime or culture or by force or any brutal punishments should be in a court.
Disappointed in this man's lack of understanding, and narrow mindedness tbh. If he is Alive today, May he be Blessed with Broad mindedness, and path of Light.
If you’re not a born again Christian then chances are that you’ll be unable to place your right palm on the KJV and say these words once only-> I refuse to be deceived by the devil. Rev.12:9 The devil deceives the whole world. ❤️✝️Jn.3:7
Follow Farid responds where we exposed that apostate Prostate badly. You Islamophobes learn Islam only from these fools, a paid actor. How agnorant you are!
"A good man can select according to their appetite, trouble is that bad man can select accoding to their appetite too" that's just proves free consciousness in Islam. you've killed your whole argument at the beginning 1:25
No, it proves that Islam isn't a religion of peace, but also a religion of violence. Decent people will reject the worst doctrines of Islam, while awful people will indulge and accept them.
@@afah6850 Wrong. Backwards thinking is to make excuses for a religion where execution for apostasy and stoning for adultery are mainstream prescriptions.
@@siim605 bro this sentence here twisted as fuck, and I do believe rapists should be shot or hanged; so, you're ok with your SO sleeping with others: swinging perhaps.And, show me someone that was executed for execution.
Point is Islam has no home nor place in a civilized world. It is a book that was made for barbaric tribes of the middles east in the Middle Ages and only applies for that era and time and never in our time.
Peter Singer (one of the world’s leading atheist ideologues) shows that determining sex to be licit on the basis of “consent” also justifies bestiality. Around the year 2000, Singer was criticized for his positive review of a book by Midas Dekkers called Dearest Pet. Dekkers is a popular Dutch intellectual public figure who was initially a biologist. He is known for his particular affection towards animals. Singer was accused of advocating for bestiality as well, because he said that the issue with sex with animals is not so much related to morality but rather cruelty. He argues that if there is no cruelty, a person can take part in “mutually satisfying activities” with their animal.
I am very happy to see that there are some people that can discuss a issue without saying rude words. You are among-st the few people that take a issue seriously and don't start saying mean things when saying something. People are always rude when I talk about Islam but I always try to never say rude since it is against Islam. Be they be Muslims or non-Muslims are try to be nice since its always good in any case. I hope all the best in the future and have a blessed day.
It's one step. I'd be happier if they spoke true words. The cheery picked, sanatised version of the Koran they refer to has no basis in truth. The Koran is fundamentally violent. It calls for violence. Demands it.
And yet all of these crimes has been (and still is) comminted in the name of Christianity,Judaism,Hinduism and of course buddism. Yet i would be hard pressed to find anyone in this day and age that blasts anyone of these religons for their crimes. Sorry Peter but i think the results are quite clear
Actually they get blasted by people all the time. Much like you are doing now. ALl religona(and non religons) have people who commit crimes. A true christian would not wish harm on anyone. The MOSAIC covenant dont apply to christians NT is what we are to live bynot the OT. and Jesus gave gentiles diffrent rules and that you can look up
That would be true. Very true indeed. But if we take the ''pulse'' so to speak of what the spotlight on ''crime'' in the name of religion is nowadays it always falls on Islam. I have yet to see a debate on ''The crimes of Christianity'' or ''Hinduism is a religion of forced marriage''
And Islam being warlike is not? I think the concept of blaming any religion for the crimes of its practitioners (often a very small minority) is a old hat
Islam is a relgion of good values and peace; the main concept of Islam based on :mercy, peace and forgiveness. As regarding, that there are 100 verses or references In Quran Indicate that Islam is not peaceful religion, that really misconception and totally untrue T have read Quran multiple time with analytical way throughout ten years, I have found out that any mention of using violence was only as a defense "a defensive war " when aggression against Muslims happened at the time of the messenger Mohammad, or else Islam was obliterated at its cradle. As for the narrative saying :"Mohammed commanded to fight people till they Believe", that saying Contradict with Quran verses so that keep to Quran verses and not be confused by the narrative of the extremists who take the Quranic Verses out of the context distorting the message of the peaceful and merciful religion ;Islam. God says : O Mohammad, l have sent you only to be mercy for mankind and other creatures " verse no. 21, Chapter no. 107. Verse no 256 chapter no. 1- says : " No coercion in accepting religion, it is" now the truth (Islam) has been distinguished from false relgion ". Chapter 109 verse no. 6 Say (Muhammad) to disbelievers : " you have your religion and I have my religion " As for women right according to Islam religion they more powerful in Islam than other religions and they accept Islam much more than men, The first person accepted Islam was "his boss" a powerful woman ( Muhammad 's wife ;khadiga) As for chopping hand, flogging This punishment was made difficult To put in force and no longer relevant according to Islam concept. As for stoning, stoning not mentioned in Quran. Quran revealed in Arabic language The words of Quran in itself miracle ;unmatched and unrivaled so that its difficult to translate ; each one word packed with meanings Please read it carefully, more and more!!!!!!!!! Muhammad ghander 27th of May 2021
One side had young, energetic speakers and the other had dusty old people. But realistically, the presence of muslims in the audience and their greater proportion in the crowd, led to people feeling unable to applaud as enthusiastically as they would like to the opposition's points, I believe.
In Bolivia, a Suez company (Aguas de Illimani) left 200,000 people without access to water and caused a revolt when it tried to charge between $335 and $445 to connect a private home to the water supply. Countless people were unable to afford this charge in a country whose yearly per capita GDP is $915. Unfortunately, the IMF and World Bank are playing a key role in pushing water privatization all over the world. Many countries have been required to open up their water supply to private companies as a condition for receiving IMF loans, and the World Bank has approved millions of dollars in loans for the privatization of water systems.
This side's speakers, I must say, are a bit less energetic than the other side. Why? Well because the speakers are (without insult or anything negative) older. While the other side, look at them, their speakers are young, well-bodied man and in their prime. (If u've been following this debate, u must have known what I'm talkin' about)
I think it's worth pointing out to everyone commenting on this video that not only is there a peaceful sect of islam, and that not all muslims live to the letter of the koran, but it's VERY important not to become a victim of your own confirmation bias. Always keep an open mind and use the evidence, not your emotions, to come to a decision on things. :) Also, flagging people as spam because you don't agree with their views is pathetic. You can't have a debate with one voice.
(Part 2) is strongly repressed , leaving only human linguistics as the vehicle by which Man may attempt such communication or union. Language fails ! Whether we speak of so called fundamentalist Christians , ultra - orthodox Jews, or even atheists who truncate their perception by evaluating their experience soley through the scientific paradigm, the result is the same ! Emotional inflexibility .
Look no one knew any better back in the day and thought gods did this and that but look at how much we know now it's time to grow up. Winged horses, raising from the dead, zeus with lightening. Time to grow up everyone
Ucmh mostly Muslim watching this All non Muslims don’t know about this topic and think they r safe Until islam goes 51% in the country and sharia law is on implementation Then everyone will say How did that happen Google the below What is taquiyya and what islam uses taquiyya for They r very uncomfortable with that What Mahdi did is exactly taquiyya Be liberal until uk has more than 50percent Muslim Then run away quick They will butcher non muslim
@@cyberanon2463 I'm obviously a winged-horse bigot: they all look the same. Pegasus is the most famous one, so to me, a wi ged horse is called a pegasus
DEAR MEHDI & YOUR GANG - DO NOT TELL US THAT ISLAM IS PEACE- GO TO SAUDI ARABA AND TELL THE MOHAMMEDAN EXPERTS THERE THAT THEY ARE WRONG- AND YOU TINY NOTHING ARE RIGHT.
You are obviously in no position to speak about a topic that you have no knowledge of, please brush up on your knowledge come back with facts AND context because you people like to give quotes to suit your argument with no context
OH MY GOD! Contrast any atrocity that any person commits with the teachings of their religion, laws of their state or just collective moral ethics as Human beings. These contrasts are cultural, not sweeping statements to be assumed connection with Islam, I cannot believe people so well educated and intelligent can be so ignorant. The same could be said of so many people from every background imaginable.
The Hudud punishments of flogging and stoning are relevant to Atkins' personality? How? This is literally the dumbest possible comment you could've made.
IT'S THE SAME SLOPE NOW Martin Niemöller, from a January 6, 1946, speech: "In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me - and by that time no one was left to speak up."
of course there is a big difference . Abraham was more of a goeroe, Jezus a kind of hippie type and Mohammed a war lord. You see where the difference in approach come from?
The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution, The Communist Revolution in Russia, World War I, World War II, The Rape of Nanking, The atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the anhialation of Dresden, and finally the Holocaust . Can anyone tell me what Islam had to do with this ocean of blood ?
Armenian genocide around 1.75 NON MUSLIMS killed by muslims,,,1.5 million muslims killed by OTHER MUSLIMS in the middle east through inter-religious conflicts ie shia/sunni in the past 20 years. {research it}. Want me to carry on?
mehstgful funny how people deflect the subject by stating non islamic crimes,we all know evil crimes are all over the world,the question here is islam. stay on subject.
mehstgful Ok but I see Islam killing itself first,its waring within itself all the time,muslim on muslim death toll over the last 40 years is in the millions. So it has no place to stand up and claim peace,no religion is peaceful,they are all man made ideas.
Look in the Internet, look on the streets, GOD DAMN IT - Look around you and say again: ISLAM IS PEACEFULL now youknow it is just as to say: SANTA CLAUS IS REAL!!
Talk about abusing your rejection of interruptions. For fuck's sake. How many different people tried to correct him? How many different times? He was literally saying wrong statements. They all stood at points where he was at a natural stopping point, and yet he couldn't have the basic courtesy to take any single point.
@@dimasmaulana6855 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth-from among those who received the Scripture-until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. Surah 9:29 ,This verse does tell you to do violence .
@@dimasmaulana6855 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,surah 5:33
@@kiranthomas5944 The religion of Islam has been degraded and vilified by those who seem to believe that they have a better understanding of the religion, compared to the consensus of scholars for the past 1440 years. These misguided individuals cite a verse here and there which they believe to be violent in the sense that the verses endorse violence against innocents. They conveniently or better to say, deliberately leave out the historical context regarding why and when these verses were revealed. When one engages with them, correcting their misunderstanding of these verse(s), they often accuse us of ‘cherry-picking’! 1. Introduction Some claim that the verse (Q. 9:29) endorses and ‘sanctions Muslims to kill innocent Christians and Jews’. This is simply not true. I undertook the task to investigate the verse (Q. 9:29) as a result of some critics misusing and twisting the verse to mean something it has never intended to say. It is only appropriate to respond to their claims, given the fact that, not even Prophet Muhammed (p) interpreted it as such during his own life. 2. Background It is agreed by some of the earliest classical to modern commentators on the Quran that this verse (Q. 9:29) was revealed concerning the expedition to Tabuk, to face the Byzantine (Roman) Empire’s army (Mujahid Ibn Jabr (645-722 AD), Hud b. Muhakkam Hawwari [1], Al-Tabari (838-923 AD) [2], Baghawi (1044-1122 AD), and Ibn Kathir (1301-1373 AD)). 3. The Verse - Historical Context Let us read the verse [Muhammed Asad Translation]: “[And] fight against those who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [a foretime] - do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].” - Qur’an 9:29 So, the verse tells Muhammed (PBUH) to fight against those who were revealed previous scripture. Who does the verse refer to? As mentioned previously, some of the earliest Islamic exegesis on the Quran says that the verse (9:29) was revealed concerning the Tabuk expedition. The Hadith, collections of reports from what Prophet Muhammed (pbup) said, approved off, or sometimes what the Companions of the Prophet (pbup) said. According to Sahih Muslim (Hadith) and Riyad us-Saliheen, they report to us that the Tabuk expedition was undertaken as a result of the impending army of the Byzantine (Romans) who were advancing on the Syrian border for war. Sahih Muslim: “I never remained behind Allah’s Messenger from any expedition which he undertook except the Battle of Tabuk and that of the Battle of Badr. So far as the Battle of Badr is concerned, nobody was blamed for remaining behind as Allah’s Messenger and the Muslims (did not set out for attack but for waylaying) the caravan of the Quraish, but it was Allah Who made them confront their enemies without their intention (to do so). I had the honor to be with Allah’s Messenger on the night of ‘Aqaba when we pledged our allegiance to Islam and it was dearer to me than my participation in the Battle of Badr, although Badr was more popular amongst people as compared with that (Tabuk). And this is my story of remaining back from Allah’s Messenger on the occasion of the Battle of TABUK. Never did I possess means enough and (my circumstances) more favorable than at the occasion of this expedition. And, by Allah, I had never before this expedition simultaneously in my possession two rides. Allah’s Messenger set out for this expedition in the extremely hot season; the journey was long and the land (which he and his army had to cover) was waterless and HE HAD TO CONFRONT A LARGE ARMY, so he informed the Muslims about the actual situation (they had to face), so that they should adequately equip themselves for this expedition, and he also told them the destination where he intended to go. …” (Sahih Muslim Book 37, Hadith 6670) Riyad as-Salihin: “Abdullah bin Ka’b, who served as the guide of Ka’b bin Malik (May Allah be pleased with him) when he became blind, narrated: I heard Ka’b bin Malik (May Allah be pleased with him) narrating the story of his remaining behind instead of joining Messenger of Allah when he left for the battle of Tabuk. Ka’b said: “I accompanied Messenger of Allah in every expedition which he undertook excepting the battle of Tabuk and the battle of Badr. As for the battle of Badr, nobody was blamed for remaining behind as Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, when they set out, had in mind only to intercept the caravan of the Quraish. Allah made them confront their enemies unexpectedly. I had the honor of being with Messenger of Allah on the night of ‘Aqabah when we pledged our allegiance to Islam and it was dearer to me than participating in the battle of Badr, although Badr was more well-known among the people than that. And this is the account of my staying behind from the battle of TABUK. I never had better mean and more favorable circumstances than at the time of this expedition. And by Allah, I had never before possessed two riding-camels as I did during the time of this expedition. Whenever the Messenger of Allah decided to go on a campaign, he would not disclose his real destination till the last moment (of departure). But on this expedition, he set out in extremely hot weather; the journey was long and the terrain was a waterless desert; and HE HAD TO FACE A STRONG ARMY, so he informed the Muslims about the actual position so that they should make full preparation for the campaign.” (Riyad as-Salihin Book 1, Hadith 21) Notice, in the above two reports we read that the Byzantine army was already there, ready, and equipped to go to war. These following reports (below) also shed information that news had reached the Muslims that the Ghassanid tribe, which was part of the Byzantine (Roman) empire were preparing to attack the Muslim community. Sahih al-Bukhari: “… I left her (and went home). At that time, I had a friend from the Ansar who used to bring news (from the Prophet) in case of my absence, and I used to bring him the news if he was absent. In those days we were afraid of one of the kings of GHASSANID TRIBE. We heard that he INTENDED TO MOVE AND ATTACK US, so fear filled our hearts because of that. (One day) my Ansari friend unexpectedly knocked at my door, and said, “Open Open!’ I said, ‘Has the king of Ghassan come?’ He said, ‘No, but something worse; God’s Messenger has isolated himself from his wives.’ …” (Sahih al-Bukhari volume 6, Book 60, Hadith 435) Sahih Muslim: “I had a friend from the Ansar. When I had been absent (from the company of the Prophet) he used to bring me the news and when he had been absent I used to bring him the news, and at that time we dreaded a KING OF GHASSAN. It was mentioned to us that he INTENDED TO ATTACK US, AND OUR MINDS WERE HAUNTED BY HIM. My friend, the Ansari, came to me, and he knocked at the door and said: Open it, open it. I said: Has the Ghassanid come? He said: (The matter is) more serious than that. The Messenger of Allah has separated himself from his wives. …” (Sahih Muslim Book 9, Hadith 3508) Jami at-Tirmidhi: “‘My house was in Al-Awali among those of Banu Umayya, and I had a neighbor among the Ansar, and he and I would take turns visiting the Messenger of God.’ He said: ‘One day I would visit him and bring the news of the Revelation, and one day he would visit him and bring the same. We heard that GHASSAN WERE PREPARING THEIR HORSES TO ATTACK US. He said: ‘One day he came to me in the evening and knocked on my door, so I went out to him. He said: “A horrible thing has happened.” I said: “Ghassan has come?” He said: “Worse than that. The Messenger of God has divorced his wives.’ … “(Jami` at-Tirmidhi volume 5, Book 44, Hadith 3318) In relation to this, Ibn Sa’d (784-845 AD), in his book Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir states that news had reached Prophet Muhammed that the Byzantine (Romans) had ‘concentrated large forces’, and Heraclius had sent some his military to ‘Balqa’. This is when the Muhammed (p) ‘summoned’ his people to the expedition of Tabuk: “They (narrators) saud: It (report) reached the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, that the ROMANS HAD CONCENTRATED LARGE FORCES IN SYRIA had, that Heraclius had disbursed one year’s salary to his soldiers and that tribes of Lakhm, Judham, ‘Amilah and Ghassan had joined hands with him. THEY SENT HAD SENT THEIR VANGUARDS TO AL-BALQA. THE MESSENGER Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, SUMMONED THE PEOPLE TO MARCH. He set out and informed them about the place which he intended so that they could make necessary preparations. He sent (messengers) to Makkah and to the tribes of Arabia (asking them) to send help. This took place in the days of intense heat.” (Ibn Sa’d, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol. 2, pp. 203-204) [3] 9th Century historian Aḥmad Ibn Yaḥya al-Baladhuri (D. 892 AD), also reports in his book, ‘Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan’, in clear words that the Prophet (p) learned that the Byzantine army ‘had assembled against him’: “Tabuk make terms. When in the year 9 AH the Prophet marched to TABUK in Syria for the invasion of those of the Greeks, Amilah, Lakhm, Judham, and others WHOM HE LEARNT HAD ASSEMBLED AGAINST HIM, he met no resistance. So he spent a few days in Tabuk, whose inhabitants made terms with him agreeing to pay poll-tax.” (Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan, vol. 1, p. 92) [4]
Mehdi Hassan responded positively cleaning mishaps this venerated explained but wrongly. He must keep on with chemistry rather than falling himself in a well of fire
@@roleplayinglife7548 what Mahdi explained and put forwarded as arguments are something called open secret as everyone knows it. Let alone giving reference to books
@@greytooth898 Proofreaded: Mehdi Hassan responded positively, cleaning this other man’s mishaps. This venerated man explained wrongly. He must keep on with chemistry, rather than letting himself fall into a well((?) wait, isn’t it more like a pit or a lake) of fire.
The Hindu text Sushruta Samhita, written in 600 BCE, is filled with detailed seminal descriptions of surgical procedures and instruments that are conceptually used today.
You see what you want to see. In our times, it is easier to be fooled by the kind of information that comes to us. It's easier for someone to believe that sikhism is a peaceful religion, because of the acts of the believers. But I am sure that there could be loopholes and some faulty believers too. History speaks for itself. When it comes to religion, all of them are the same: they talk about the same principles and the way of life. Almost all start with the most basic axiom: God is one. So it boils down to how people interpret the teachings and more than that, how well are those interpretations broadcasted.
Your reference to Sikhism is amply amplified by the recent news of the killing of a Sikh in Canada. He was an extremist who believed in Khalistan - a land for the Sikhs. You look back at the history of the calls for Khalistan and you'll see many atrocities carried out in the name of establishing Khalistan. BUT I do not say therefore all Sikhs are aggressors. The same as I do not say all Islam followers are aggressors either.
@@donovanvaz3289 ummmm! While I do agree with you on the last bit, I posted my comment three years ago and so it is not “amplified” by the recent news!
While I agree with the opposition's position, I would probably have to say that the Proposer's won the debate. This side just had no one to match Mehdi Hasan. Hitchens or Harris would have been extremely useful for this debate.
No, they would have been just as bad. Especially Sam Harris, that guy is a tool of the highest order.
@@TheMindIlluminated how is europe benifitting now from the muslim immigrants? right it is burning with riots every other month!!
Sheeeee… you guys real know zilch.
@@TheMindIlluminated yeah the guy who wrote books, spent his life learning how to say and what to say, made new arguments for the side and his career is debating against religion. sure he will be a tool.
Result of the debate:
1- Ignorance is the mother of most prejudices
2- Not recognizing your own ignorance is the mother of most conflicts
At this point and after the damage Mr. Mehdi caused, I'm only watching the sequel of this debate out of respect for Mr. Peter Atkins' knowledge in his field.
Me too bro..
Where’s the sequel?
Why everyone is after Muslims
We haven't did anything to you guys!
lol what damage did he cause
he knew what he was saying and mr peter has weakest points
That's a lot of damage
*If you read Qur'an you are a Muslim but If you understand Qur'an you become Ex-muslim*
What kind of goofy shit are you on about 😂 I know you ain’t understand the Quran yourself
Coming from someone who can’t even understand a 5th grade science book 🤣
@@GoingToAFuneral kekw trueee
Ah yes, the Arabs, who read it in their native language, taught it in their native language and UNDERSTOOD it in their native language, are all becoming ex Muslims. Scholars who study the meaning are becoming ex Muslim too! Makes sense now….
Lanat tm pr
Read the Quran and Sunna and one will see that Islam is anything but peaceful. At its core it is against all who reject it.
***** because it's the word of God.
There is no such thing as "The word of god" only the word of "men". God cannot write books. Gods are human concepts/ideas - that's it, and like all bad ideas they will have their day.
***** people have been believing in God since time immemorial. İf it was an idea,or a bad idea as you put it, it would have died by now. Even you , obliviously acknowledged His All mighty existence with what you just wrote above and i quote you,''God cannot write books''. Just remember you are going to stay in the grave more than you lived on earth. And you'll live eternally when you wake up again. Beware of hell fire where people will never die nor live in it. We are certainly from Allah and to him we shall return. My friend ,My brother in humanity, as we are all sons of Adam, even from an economical standpoint, it is better to invest yourself in islam for a couple of years of your worldly life for the hearafter than live as you desire in this world at the cost of the here after which is as long as eternity. I in vite you to islam :)
True humans have long believed in gods. All were invented. Thor, Amon Ra, Zeus, El, Tlaloc + many thousands of Earth, Rain Fire gods etc. As for the grave, ask yourself before you were born was it any amount of time? did you suffer? NO. When we die we return to this same eternal state. Eternity has nothing to do with time. It is outside to time.Hell, like heaven, is another human concept usually used to install fear. There is not literal place called hell. You can test this by looking for it on google maps. You know there is no Allah. Allah can literally do nothing. Test this by asking this most merciful and passionate god to stop others killing in his name. Surely the greatest insult! Or to heal the sick. It won't literally happen since Allah is no more than a made up ideal like all of mankind gods.
I do actually study the Quran / Bible and other religious texts. I agree with you on one point. What we have in common is our humanity. Live now - we are NO TIME dead.
As-salamu alaykum
***** the way you study is different, there is where the problem arises. Allah leaves murderers to live for reasons incomprehensible to humans, but I can tell you some, Among his 99 names is the forbearer, so He will wait. Number two is that He waits for them to repent. If He were to destroy people immediately after the commit a sin, there would be no one left on earth. That why, among his 99 names is ''The most Merciful''.
He makes people sick so that he tests the people who have the financial power to help heal the sick . The way i studied Islam and the way you studied it is way different. We studied the rationales behind every single verse and found its flawless wisdom. That I think is where your problems arise.
By the way, I couldn't help but notice you contradicting yourself again. And I quote you, '' You know there is no Allah. Allah can literally do nothing''. The first sentence disprove His existence, the second one approves it but states his incapability.
It's extremely interesting, from a "non religious" observation, to read such strong and passionate comments that are stated as facts without the use of correct terminology.
I don't belelive a follower of a religion that was founded by an illiterate should have any opinion on terminology.
as an amateur debater, I am curious as to why someone with such level of intelligence, not taking any points of interest?
because hes scared he will lose, as a 14 year old i could already prove at least 80% of his points wrong and i dont know much
2,716 people have never read the Quran.
***** The only way of measuring the qualities of a religion is by observing the actions of the believers.
George Rickard No. You judge them by the scriptures they read to their kids every night before they go to sleep and eventually decide to become allahu snakbar jihadists.
***** I think he's talking about the famous "allahu snackbar" passage from the hadith!
***** you're great at detecting sarcasm!
***** Okay.
www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
This video was filmed 10 years ago, but couldn't be any more relevant than it is today. Europe now faces what this man was talking about, and gets a taste of what radical Islam is.
Stop generalizing Islam. Of course Hamas is bad, but what did you expect? Did you think Hamas wouldn't do anything? I mean, you want Palestinians to suffer silently right? By the way there are Christian Hamas soldiers lol and Israel bombed the third oldest church in the world (1600 years old), a 600 year old Monastery in Lebanon A DAY before Christmas.
brother he said specifically radical islam calm down
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@@hibye7751but that doesn’t defuse the claims of this gentleman. He was correct in predicting the fate of Europe bcz of Islam!
@@Arunh9-pw7lp How? Have you looked at the protest. It's not just Muslims protesting against the bombings.
You havenot faced anything yet. Read how India was tortured by these barbarians for centuries
Questions:
1- Qur'an teaches peace and freedom of opinion. I agree. But why do some Islamic countries have the "death for apostasy" law?
2- If those Islamic countries have made up the "death for apostasy" law on their own and are misrepresenting Qur'an, then isn't it the responsibility of Muslims to persuade them to stop misrepresenting Qur'an by abolishing the "death for apostasy" law?
3- Wouldn't be easier to promote Islam in non-Islamic countries when no "death for apostasy" law exists in the currently Islamic countries?
4- What guarantees that promoting a peaceful Islam in a non-Islamic country will not eventually lead to "death for apostasy" law after it becomes an Islamic country?
They misinterpreted a statement of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W). The "death for apostasy" was made because in the early days of Islam it was a war on the state and the "apostates" apostatized because they did not want to follow the law and become the leaders of the Caliphate unjustly.
Zayd Hussein Mia
But some Islamic countries still have the "death for apostasy" laws in place today. Are you saying the whole country misinterpreted the statement and they have not yet realized that they misinterpreted the statement?
atam mardes Yes, they have misinterpreted the statement, just as Saudi Arabia has created un-Islamic laws such as not allowing women to drive. There are many innovations in Salafi and Shi'i (Iranian) Islam and this is just one of them.
Islam has death penalty for apostasy and it's procedure is if one muslim converts to some other religion. Then scholars of islam will say to that man to come back to islam if you will not come back then argue with us and let's have a discussion to find which religion is true, I mean that which religion is valid to be followed. If he can prove that the new religion is better then the new religion is valid to be followed but if can't then the scholars of islam will prove to him that islam is the only valid true religion which is must to be followed to go to paradise in the Hereafter. Islam is the only religion which can answer all the questions which can come in your mind. The scholars will convince him for three days to take him back to islam. And if he doesn't come he will be sentenced to death penalty. All those are bullying on Islam are those who don't know about islam and whoever gain the true knowledge of islam converts to islam. Just search and listen to those who converted to islam are the highly educated intelligent men in Europe and America and those converted to some other religion from islam they are those who are uneducated and those who don't have the knowledge of Islam. So my friend feel the difference.
Hello, I really appreciate you for asking questions rather than badmouthing like some others on here. Personally, I would recommend that you actually do some more research on this yourself as it might help you come up with an idea of why it exists. However, I will try to answer your question and if it makes sense to you great! if not, well no one can change that.
First let me start off by explaining what this law really is and why it is in place in Islamic states. The "death for apostasy" law came into use when atheists and polytheists at the time of the holy prophet(pbuh) used to seemingly convert to Islam and then leave Islam just to spread hate and denounce it amongst the masses. “And a section of the people of Book says, ‘believe at day-break in what has been sent down to those who believe and deny at the day-end; perhaps they may turn away.’” (Qur’an 3:72). They did this because they had extreme animosity towards the prophet(pbuh) they did not like that the Holy Prophet(pbuh) was changing their wild ways and showing them decency, gratefulness etc. Another important thing that I want to mention is that this law only comes into affect when the apostasy becomes public. This is where your freedom of thinking and freedom of opinion/expression separate. You have no limits freedom of thought, however when you start taking action on it it becomes your deed and hence if you become apostate and keep to yourself this law does not apply, if you go out in the public denouncing Islam; spreading lies, hate and encouraging others around you to leave the religion, it results in this law being applied.
1)You are absolutely correct, Islam does teach peace and freedom of opinion, however, freedom of opinion/expression has to remain within the confines of the state in which you reside. For instance, if you are in a proper Islamic state you have to go by their laws, if you are in a western state, you have to follow their laws. The Islamic countries have to keep this law since it is told by the Holy Quran.
2)No these Islamic countries have not made up this law, hence no Muslim denies it because they themselves know it exists.
3)Im not sure I understand this question.. please do reply to me with a clearer explanation.
4)Who says non-Islamic countries will become Islamic countries so soon? or ever? It is not like Islam is being spread and Muslims are trying to take over each and every country..... Come on.
Just to answer your question though.. if a country does "decide" to become an Islamic country it will definitely have the "death for apostasy" law. No guarantee that it will not.
I know to an outsider it might seem very opressive and destructive of the freedom of a person, but when you get to know of the reasoning and conditions of this law it becomes very clear. Remember that Islam is a very "just" religion so every action is counted for. Also, don't just get stuck looking at Islam through this law... It is a very small detail compared to what the whole of Islam actually is.
should have brought harris, dawkins, or hitchens for a job like this.
haven't they been humiliated enough elsewhere ?
You mean like he 'skinned' George Galloway at Baruch college? That fat hypocrite can't win an argument from a third grader.
Minhaaj Rehman Dawkins was interviewed by Hasan you idiot..Believing in winged horses...some people are still full of shit...
Minhaaj Rehman Getting rid of the religion is not getting rid of the people. Science and Pisslam co existing is like Intelligence and Stupidity..
And this is exactly the kind of argument every nitwit like you has who believes in scientific fables like big bang. Name calling and clueless distortions.
Could you imagine even giving this speech today. Even if you don’t agree he should be able to speak. His opinion.
What😂 it’s open season on Muslims and Islam and has been for 20 years. Of course you could give this speech today. Change your question to “could you imagine even giving this speech about Judaism” and be intellectually honest with yourself as to what would happen.
And you could probably find videos of racists or religious bigots from 60 years ago saying things that would make a modern audience cringe. If he's "not allowed" to give the speech today, it's probably because most of the public has been enlightened on the matter. This side had their chance to debate this 10 -15 years ago, and they lost.
@@courseworkduedeflection. There is nothing plenty to criticize about Islam.
it's so hard to be racist these days:(
Who is here after all 6 debate videos but still is in peace of mind :)
so what is the final verdict.
Mahdi Hassan was in the debate how could they not win
and thats what happened.
@@Aafi5haH He said what's logical. A religion 2 billion members is not gonna be violent.
No one
@@dumdumdumdum8804 the majority of the house voted "yes" for Islam is the religion of peace and yea, Islam is a religion of peace
Would Native Americans, Australian Aborigines, the Indigenous Peoples of New Zealand, the KhoiKhoi of Southern Africa, etc, agree?
Have Islam been the primary threat to their family units, their culture, their communities?
People actually think Medhi won this debate? He spent 13 minutes avoiding talking about muhammed's example.
It’s a TH-cam echo chamber. It’s very well saying western Muslims are peaceful and not oppressed but it’s very different in Saudi Arabia that still lives with medieval values.
@@personifiedape5347 Islam teaches medieval values though, that’s the problem. To be a moderate muslim you have to ignore your prophets example, so moderate muslims dont prove anything
@@mr_ander_3989 You obviously didn't dissect islam very well.
(1) You refer to quran 5:32 to prove islam does not support terrorism? The verse is:
"That is why We ordained for the Children of Israel that whoever takes a life-unless as a punishment for murder or mischief in the land-it will be as if they killed all of humanity; and whoever saves a life, it will be as if they saved all of humanity". - Muslims love quoting this verse without understanding it. It DOES NOT APPLY TO MUSLIMS. It applies to the 'CHILDREN OF ISRAEL'. The children of Israel are NOT MUSLIMS, they are jews.
If you had bothered to read the very next verse (5:33), you'd have seen this peaceful gem:
"Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and spread mischief in the land is death, crucifixion, cutting off their hands and feet on opposite sides, or exile from the land."
One might ask: 'What does spreading mischief mean?' Well thankfully, the Quran elaborates, in surah 4:89 it says:
"They wish you would disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so you may all be alike. So do not take them as allies unless they emigrate in the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them" - so the quran orders the execution of apostates who leave islam and try to convince others to do the same.
(2) You same some rubbish about chopping off hands depending on the society we live in. The Quran is supposed to be perfect is it not? So don't tell me following the quran depends on what society you live in. The society you live in does not change the inherent immorality of the quran's commandments.
O disbelievers, (1) I do not worship what you worship. (2) Nor are you worshippers of what I worship. (3) Nor will I be a worshipper of what you worship. (4) Nor will you be worshippers of what I worship. (5) For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." (6)
@@ericsonofjohn9384 no absolutely NOT that's not the case
I'd like to see you debate "Christianity is (is not) a peaceful religion"
Exactly. And to honest, I'd love to participate in it...!
Don't you live in a Christian majority country?
@@larknoone565 Yes, Christianity 2.0 is the Church of England which is filled with neocons and liberals like Boris Johnson that looks towards secular humanism. Only the original version that the Apostles lived by, which conservative Evangelicals have adopted works.
So no to pornography, sex culture, and Marxism. We need to bring back our old British culture and maintain it, not have liberals start porn industries to destroy it and split families apart.
@@larknoone565 It's not, you just never read the Quran or the Bible, that's your personal opinion to favour your worldview. You're just assuming, and I could say the same about secular humanism that western non-theists live in, they're rather not good at living by it because if they lived by it radically, they'll be more like Joseph Stalin.
If you want sex, leave the country and go wherever. Many Gen-Z chaps are waking up to take back our European nations. The UK, mainland Europe, and the United States are European and the cultures are European. Our Western laws weren't written for Wahhabis, Salafis, and atheists anyroad. They were written for Calvinists, Roman Catholics, and Orthodox Christians.
haha exactly
It's strange hearing a guy speaking about Islam when he co-wrote one of my chemistry textbooks
And Muslims also happened to have started the modern chemistry😂
Muhammed- The Islamic prophet was a violent warlord.
"The Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives" (Bukhari 46:717)
Although there are many reliable accounts from the Hadith and Sira that mention the Mustaliq grazing cattle, not one mentions Muhammad making any effort at peacemaking. In this case, Muhammad's men raped the women (with his approval) after slaughtering the men (Sahih Muslim 3371). What does raping a female captive have to do with self-defense?
In many situations, Muhammad waged war for the purpose of revenge, such as the attack on the Lihyan, in which the people were clearly not prepared for war and saved themselves only by fleeing into the hills (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 718). Muhammad also attacked the people of Taif as soon as he had the opportunity to avenge their rejection of him (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 280 & 872).
Also disproving the myth that Muhammad only fought in self-defense is the account of his first attack on the Christians. There was no compelling reason for him to send an army to Muta (in Syria, where they met with disaster at the hands of the Byzantines). Had this been a matter of self-defense, then the enemy would surely have followed the routed army back to Arabia, but this was not the case (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 791).
Near the end of his life, the prophet of Islam directed military campaigns for the mere purpose of spreading Islamic rule. He knew that some cities would resist and others would not. He left instructions to his people for dealing with each case:
"The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: If you come to a township (which has surrendered without a formal war) and stay therein, you have a share (that will be in the form of an award) in (the properties obtained from) it. If a township disobeys Allah and His Messenger (and actually fights against the Muslims) one-fifth of the booty seized therefrom is for Allah and His Apostle and the rest is for you." (Sahih Muslim 4346)
As can be seen, those who were not at war with the Muslims are to be subjugated anyway, and their property seized. The only distinguishing factor is the extent of Muslim entitlement following the victory.
of course he did,the quraisy people has gang up on prophet Muhammed pbuh first killing alot of women and children....so,U have a brain.GO FIGURE.the women and children were kept hostage but been taken good care of ,brother.
P/S:they started it first though...you study before type stupid things,brother.
Jannah Aqilah There was ZERO effort at peacemaking or conciliatory. Muhammed only had a demoniac agenda to conquer the masses and this stated with the tribes the non believers, infidels. Read the entire texts and you will find this. There weren't always motives to his killings, and wars he started against the people. Muhammed was a violent and deluded individual.
now tell me,do YOU have solid proof.if you ahve one SOLID proof.tell me and I will believe U.
Jannah Aqilah There is plenty of proofs in the hadiths; I will provide more scripture based proofs. There was no way Islam could have spread so rapidly without violent efforts; same goes for Christianity; except, Islam was totally different.
These are ahadith that you are quoting....they're not even authentic...I don't care if they are considered "sahih". Mohammad even said himself that "no one is to write anything down except the Qur'an." The Qur'an itself warns people to not follow any other narrations (ahadith) except what is in the Qur'an.
Of course hadiths displays bloodshed and so forth. Hadiths are fabrications invented by the method of the chinese whisper style. They were created to give power and political stance by using religion as a tool.
I'm aware that you didn't use a single Qur'an verse...since of course no one can truly find anything that established the fact that it is teachings of evil. Especially when the Qur'an gives justification why certain tribes had to be destroyed, due to their tyranny and oppression over their own people. Only the righteous and pious people were spared..those that instill good and forbid evil.
The Quran says in sura 25:63:
( The worshippers of the All-Merciful are they who tread gently upon the earth, and when the ignorant address them, they reply, “Peace!” )
@Baked Beans big genocide part in Qur'an? Can you mention it? I have never heard about one verse of the Qur'an that has the word genocide in it.
@Baked Beans But if you're talking about the actions of certain Muslim civilizations in the past, first of all i disagree and i don't believe that any Muslim civilizations ever committed genocide and second of all, let me remind you of the Crusaders that committed genocide publicly in Jerusalem 1099 CE
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Quran 8:12 I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve so strike upon their necks and strike every fingertip
Quran 9:5 Slay the infidels wherever you find them. Lay siege to them, take them captive
Quran 9:29 Fight the Jews and Christians till they pay you the poll tax and they feel subdued
Quran 9:33 Islam has been made to prevail over any religion
Quran 9:73 Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home, an evil fate.
I could go on
@@westsideslasha in 9:73 this is a reference what to do in war. Islam dosent claim to be a pacifist religion but that doesn’t mean we go attack others. Once we are in war or someone attacks us we will fight to defend ourselves. I suggest before u go and showing verses go read the whole Quran then learn its meaning. Because in a chapter which is mentioning war it will say stuff like that.
@@westsideslasha Dude that's like saying "OMG they killed people during war times! How horrible!"
These are, as @Dragon_Gaming said, meant for war times. If someone is attacking you you fight back so you don't, uhh, die? Quran 8:12, in its entirety, is
"[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."
We wish to be strong in the face of opposition. Words of encouragement are not signs of a war-mongering religion.
"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
I simply can't believe that you left that last part out. IF THEY REPENT YOU FORGIVE. Such a horrible religion, how could they forgive and release prisoners that apologize? A non-peaceful religion would not have 4 whole months where you are not allowed to be non-peaceful (sacred months). Don' just point at things you have to look at context as well.
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
Fight against the non-Muslims in war times, how unexpected. Of course YOU SHOULD FIGHT YOUR ENEMY. If they attack you attack back.
"It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it."
What kind of religion says it ISN'T the true religion. Christians believe that they are "the" faith. Jews believe THEY are "the" faith. Hindus believe they are "the" faith. Muslims believe they are "the" faith. What's non-peaceful about that?
" O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
Be harsh upon your enemies in wartime, we are not pacifist, we use violence is certain contexts like Mehdi Hasan said.
Please, show me more.
Love his book, Physical Chemistry by Peter Atkins. I owe my B.Tech degree to him.
And unemployment too?
I shall put it on my list of books to read however I must submit that he owes a debt like your to him to the golden age of Islam. thank you for informing us of Mr. Atkins book.
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I m a Muslim too
But don't go on insulting someone .
Then it wouldn't make any difference of having a debate of Islam as a religion of peace when we not so good Muslims go on insulting others.
Yea that's the point. He should stay at chemistry. I doubt if anyone can defeat him there. But this is not his stage and he didn't defend brilliantly
Why do they bring professor of chemistry to a debate about religion?
Interesting choice
I see in the 'About' section that 286 voted that Islam is a religion of peace and 168 voted that Islam is NOT a religion of peace. My understanding is also that this event is one held by the prestigious Oxford University. I see this as evidence that leftists have truly destroyed some if not all of the great educational institutions. Because this 'issue' is not actually a truly debatable one. To be of the opinion that Islam is peaceful is to be completely ignorant of Islam. From it's founding 'prophet' in the 7th century to the current year of 2014, Islam has been and is a religion of violence, murder, rape, oppression, conquest, intolerance, deception, and destruction. There is so much evidence of this that a 'post' is nowhere close to sufficient as a medium to carry this knowledge. Because there are mountains of material evidence that can be brought to bear. I believe the confusion occurs when we hear the cliché that it is just a tiny fringe group of extremists that make Islam look bad. This is the great lie that is allowing Islam to flourish. As I said I don't have near enough space for all the proofs, but ask yourself this question; how often do you see this question debated with the subject being atheism, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or any other belief system? There is a reason for that........
Want more on the vile filth of Islam? post me back.
Hamza ISIAM How did FOX news become my source? Do you deny that Muhammad married a 6 year old girl when he was 50? Do you consider that the behavior of "the perfect man"? Do you know the story of your "prophet" when Aisha showed him the woman who had been beaten so badly by her husband that "her skin is as green as her dress"? Would you like to be the one to share the response of Muhammad in your next post? Do you deny that the Islamic caliphate was built on wars of conquest against the infidel in accordance with the teachings of your "prophet"? Do you deny your religion has the death penalty for apostasy? How do you feel about all the lives lost due to the worldwide riots over cartoons? If you like I can send you some lovely links to Imam describes the proper beating of wives, Qur'an quotes that call for violence, or perhaps you'd like to tell me the penalty in the Islamic state of Iran for "acts of homosexuality?
Pedal your disgusting filth elsewhere.
Oh and by the way when I set up the links here don't bother telling me that western scholars cannot properly translate the Qur'an. I know it's just another lie the Qur'an tells you to use with infidels.
the hate has being rooted.
she was 9 when he had the first sexual relation with her but if you claim such a stupid old claim i heard 100 times before you should ask if she was ready,if she past the age of puberty,if marrying a girl younger than you was something strange in the past read the history many kings and queens married at a very early age,why his enemies at that time who insulted him with all kinds of words but none of them say kids raper or something similar ? if you have a some knowledge on science people living in a sunny place like desert get on puberty in a very early age and Qurach and medina are in desert (science says not quran not me.)
plus the fact that humans are different we dont have the same shape or the same body or the same mentality so dont judge ppl by their age judge them by their character and brain.
I would like to answer all your questions and believe me i can but unfortunately you are not the only one who claim such a cheap claims and miss-quote the Quran.
if i start explaining every point you brought we will go in endless conversation and pointless (from my expirience with haters of islam ) so i would rather suggest that you stop on the hate and with an open mind study islam and the "sira nabawia" life story of islam and muhammed(pbu) from the right source and make sure its not against or with the islam
2st comment bullshit talk about islam like excepted ... where are evidence at i dont know
i prefer we meet at the judgement day whatever you believe in it or not its happening inevitably. peace im done with the stones
Hamza ISIAM Didn't bother with any of the links? of course not. Don't care to answer any question about Islam I asked? what a shock. didn't bother denying a single accusation? no, of course not. It registered with you that I am someone you cannot fool with your lies about Islam. What is that word?? the one for lying about Islam to infidels? Oh and what is the word for the special tax that non-Muslim's must pay?
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Love his books.... physical chemistry, quantum mechanics , thermodynamics..........
...what? Did u listen to the video?
Lmao
Lol
@@thomasmills3934 He is being very sarcastic, meaning his expertise is in science and not religion.
Exactly, he should stick to his field instead of berating other faiths.
Ishmael may have come from Abram but that is where it ends. Mohammad was not in the line of Issac Jacob or Jesus. He inserted himself into the line calling himself in essence a Jew. Both Jews and Christians totally reject all the teachings of Islam.
if you look at the old testament my friend its actually quite similar to the quran, and abraham preceded the times of the jewish and christian religion. everyone follows one god which is what islam is about. and Muhammed did not insert himself anywhere PHUH, he is the final prophet, and im sure we could say the same about the church "inserting" saints for you to worship AFTER your religious text was sent you from the lord. dont be hatin homie just do some research.
i dont think so. stop drinking that haterade loser. lol alberto stroller youre probably racists too go make some friends in real life
no no no youre done. just a hateful lonely old man with nothing better to do then hate-monger. live your life get out there and be the best you can be im sure you have loads of potential
sure you are sir sure you are. Aren't you a little old to be saying dude sir dont fool all these people here trying to sound young. you wont fool me!
relax old man cool your jets before you break your hip
look at these worms, they try to interrupt him every 15 seconds. i wonder WHY
+Toxically Masculine "Point of information". That means he's literally said an incorrect fact.
+Toxically Masculine A pathetic uneducated Dipshit wonders Why??? Fucking Hillarious LOL
they don't have answers to the questions duh. Watch Hassan's video, he answers every uneducated anti-Islamists questions.
+Toxically Masculine the point of information is part of debating tradition if you dont know about it dont speak
If peaceful means not going for a fight if attacked, then I agree Islam is not a peaceful religion. It becomes a sin if Muslim don't fight if attacked. There are many wars which has nothing to do with Islam, why not make a debate with the title " Christianity is not a peaceful religion". When are going to make this a debate? If you don't then I assume it is a boring title.
Abdul, Christianity like Islam and all religions are not inherently peaceful. Christianity has been responsible for a vast amount of misery throughout it's history and so it will continue I've no doubt. That however was not the question asked.
As for the right of self defence! All nations have that right and if attacked have the right to defend and repel attackers. But Religion should never seek to conquest under the thinly veiled guise of self defence.
It's a shame this video has so many dislikes. Peter Atkins marshals his argument well and without evident bigotry or diversion from facts.
this man has a crystal clear thpughts , and what can only be described as a beautiful intellect.
The law of abrogation means the Mohamed's early peaceful verses are superseded by the later warlike and violent ones, this was not mentioned! Why?
Islam is
a relgion of good values and peace; the main concept of Islam based on :mercy, peace and forgiveness.
As regarding, that there are 100 verses or references In Quran Indicate that Islam is not peaceful religion, that really misconception and totally untrue
T have read Quran multiple time with analytical way throughout ten years, I have found out that any mention of using violence was only as a defense "a defensive war " when aggression against Muslims happened at the time of the messenger Mohammad, or else Islam was obliterated at its cradle.
As for the narrative saying :"Mohammed commanded to fight people till they
Believe", that saying Contradict with Quran verses so that keep to Quran verses and not be confused by the narrative of the extremists who take the Quranic Verses out of the context distorting the message of the peaceful and merciful religion ;Islam.
God says : O Mohammad, l have sent you only to be mercy for mankind and other creatures " verse no. 21, Chapter no. 107.
Verse no 256 chapter no. 1- says :
" No coercion in accepting religion, it is" now the truth (Islam) has been distinguished from false relgion ".
Chapter 109 verse no. 6
Say (Muhammad) to disbelievers :
" you have your religion and I have my religion "
As for women right according to Islam religion they more powerful in Islam than other religions and they accept Islam much more than men,
The first person accepted Islam was "his boss" a powerful woman ( Muhammad 's wife ;khadiga)
As for chopping hand, flogging
This punishment was made difficult
To put in force and no longer relevant according to Islam concept.
As for stoning, stoning not mentioned in Quran.
Quran revealed in Arabic language
The words of Quran in itself miracle ;unmatched and unrivaled so that its difficult to translate ; each one word packed with meanings
Please read it carefully, more and more!!!!!!!!!
Muhammad ghander
27th of May 2021
Peter Atkins is an example of a notion that being a professor at Oxford, being an intellectual in the field of chemistry one can still be profoundly stupid and ignorant.
Offcourse you would say that
Bonti Chetia Konwar. You are ignorant have you read the Quran
100% agree!
There will always be those who fight for all the wrong reasons but people should choose to recognize the ones who fight of the good
"I disagree with what you say, but I will fight to death to protect your right to say it.” Voltaire 18th century.
“I disagree with what you say, and I will fight to YOUR death for your duty NOT to say it.” Islamist 21st century.
To Imagine Better Things : I loved reading your monologue, which is factually based. I think some may have thought that I was an apologist for Islam. I am not. As an ethnic Armenian, I assure the readers that I had not forgotten about the Armenian Genocide of 1915-1917. But, facts are facts. It had NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM any more that the genocidal policies of the English toward the Irish in the nineteenth century had to do with Christianity. The Armenian genocide was squarely the (Part 1)
where is part 2 bro
I left my country because of Islam for being Gay and Apostate even though it doesn't have declared punishments in the law, but the constitution says Sharia law is source of jurisdiction and as such I'm silenced and discriminated upon. ISLAM is a BAD RELIGION. It has clear declared punishments for apostasy and homosexuality and blasphemy and clear Jihad verses and hadiths and the Biography of Mohammed and interpretations of Quran support this.
but the turks wanted to enfore islamic doctrine on non-beleivers and your forgetting the british were renowned at easily avoiding famines but letting them happen
I'm a Muslim Sunni & I condemn the Genocide of Armenians or of any other ethnicity. I thank you for your impartial & honest stances towards Islam. Peace from Kuwait, we've a large Armenian community here, actually, the son of the Armenian Ambassador is our friend & he's a frequent attendant to our diywania & our different religions have never been a misunderstanding between us.
The Armenian genocide was not based on religious beliefs, it was a conspiracy by the famously incompetent Enver Pasha to blame the Armenians for his poor military skills. There was a whole propaganda campaign in the Ottoman Empire, accusing the Armenians of conspiring with the Russians to sabotage the Ottomans. That was obviously not true and I would not expect anything else from current and future politicians who follow a Nationalist ideology.
For God's sake, stop posting these bits and pieces. *A debate is a debate* It's a whole thing, to be taken hook line and sinker. Showing just a part of it is like playing one movement of a symphony. I expect more from Oxford.
"I can't" LOL!? Come on, dude. take questions if you are confident enough!
Ikr
@@black_jack_meghav Mehdi Hasan did take. Check at 9:30 of his debate.
Black Jack 21 yes he did ! He just didn’t take ann marie’s interruption because she didn’t take his either
@@ssksm8919 he did later take it
lol, I love how the speaker says a blunt "no" multiple times to the rude guy who says "point of information" and interrupts.
he says no because he's afraid of being proved wrong. if he really wanted an open honest debate he would entertain those "interruptions" if he was confident in his information
Abdalla Ramadan nope, because if he answered their "interruptions" then his time to speak would be spent on answering their interruptions instead of explaining his case.
point of information is a rude interfer? lol it's a valid action approved by Oxford then the college is Rude?
@@nodinitiative if the other side answered most if not all questions and still took less time than him. He was afraid of being proven wrong.
Let's put ISLAM on trial! If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, women's rights, sexuality, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be absolutely devastating...GUILTY ON ALL ACCOUNTS!
Look at ISLAMIC history... Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. ISLAM is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. ISLAM is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism.
Let's debate if "islam is a religion of peace?" before MUSLIMS shut down the free flow of information because they can't win in the arena of COMMON SENSE!
Apples and Oranges.... You mustn't compare a religion (Islam), with a geographical area (the West). Compare religions, and in this, extreme religious belief and indoctrination, because very few people who practice Islam, commit crimes such as slavery, imperialism (where?), intolerance, women rights abuses, and warfare (well, Christianity and Judaism would easily win on the warfare front, simply because of their devastating weapons and the number of people they kill with them).
Next: History.... Islam never gives up what it conquers? Do you have any knowledge of Christian territorial history at all? Wasn't America taken from the Native Americans by Christians and never given back? Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Israel????? All these countries are essentially Christian (or Jewish in the case of Israel), "have never given up what they conquered, be it religion, culture, language or life".
Islam is convinced of its own perfection? Well of course, but then so is every other religion in the world. Do you mean, Muslims or the religion? If you mean Muslims, then you are wrong, because there are Muslims that question the doctrines, you just don't hear about them in the Western media.
Francine Last Seriouisly? As a women, you are defending this madness? The same madness that clearly instructs muslim "men" on how to PUNISH and BEAT their wife(s)?? (Quran 4:34). The same religion that plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives? The same religion where their “holy” Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants? Seriously?
Ed Z give me one example where islam actually says that women are inferior? ... A man once came to Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) and asked him "who is the person that should be dearest and closest to me?" Prophet Mohammed replied "Your Mother" , the man said "then who?" , Prophet Mohammed said "Your Mother" , the man said "and then who?" Prophet Mohammed said "Your Mother" the man said "Then who?" Prophet Mohammed finally said "Your Father"... this shows that Islam encourages people (Men or Women) to show their utmost respect to their Mothers who are women... another Hadith says "Heaven is under your Mother's feet" ... and many verses recite to the respect of Women, It'd take me months to post them all over here... The truth is that you are just "islamophobic" like the rest of the people over here.
The ancient scriptures of all the Abrahamic faiths (especially the Old Testament) are full of rape and abuse to women, not just the Quran. In many places in the Bible there are references to "taking a wife". Don't be fooled into thinking that these were voluntary marriages. This first quote clearly shows that murder and force were used to "take" these wives.
1) Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)
So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin." Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.
The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon. Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them. The people felt sorry for Benjamin because the LORD had left this gap in the tribes of Israel. So the Israelite leaders asked, "How can we find wives for the few who remain, since all the women of the tribe of Benjamin are dead? There must be heirs for the survivors so that an entire tribe of Israel will not be lost forever. But we cannot give them our own daughters in marriage because we have sworn with a solemn oath that anyone who does this will fall under God's curse."
Then they thought of the annual festival of the LORD held in Shiloh, between Lebonah and Bethel, along the east side of the road that goes from Bethel to Shechem. They told the men of Benjamin who still needed wives, "Go and hide in the vineyards. When the women of Shiloh come out for their dances, rush out from the vineyards, and each of you can take one of them home to be your wife! And when their fathers and brothers come to us in protest, we will tell them, 'Please be understanding. Let them have your daughters, for we didn't find enough wives for them when we destroyed Jabesh-gilead. And you are not guilty of breaking the vow since you did not give your daughters in marriage to them.'" So the men of Benjamin did as they were told. They kidnapped the women who took part in the celebration and carried them off to the land of their own inheritance. Then they rebuilt their towns and lived in them. So the assembly of Israel departed by tribes and families, and they returned to their own homes.
Obviously these women were repeatedly raped.
2) Murder, rape and pillage of the Midianites (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings - Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba - died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.
3) More Murder Rape and Pillage (Deuteronomy 20:10-14)
As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.
What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?
4) Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.
5) Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
It is clear that God doesn't care about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans "property".
6) David's Punishment - Polygamy, Rape, Baby Killing, and God's "Forgiveness" (2 Samuel 12:11-14 NAB)
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]
This has got to be one of the sickest quotes of the Bible. God himself brings the completely innocent rape victims to the rapist. And then he kills a child!
7) Rape of Female Captives (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)
"When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."
Once again God approves of forcible rape.
8) Rape and the Spoils of War (Judges 5:30 NAB)
They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man, Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera's spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil. (Judges 5:30 NAB)
9) Sex Slaves (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
10) God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)
Ed Z HAHAHAHA NOTHING! there is absolutely NOTHING in the Quran that says the things you just mentioned above NOTHING at all, that is the most made up crap ive ever heard!! You are trying to teach me verses of my own Quran and Hadiths? telling me lies about my own religion? PATHETIC! you are just as stupid as the man speaking in the video above... I actually thought that you were someone I could argue with, but your IQ level is so low that I cant even believe it.... you actually made me laugh... kudos to you sir, you turned out to be the funniest guy i have met on youtube....
I cannot understand how these Muslims refuse to take responsibility for their actions. This speaker totally NAILED IT so hard that it hit many a nerves. People don't like their delusions being tampered with.
um what tf did I do? I'm not responsible at all lol
very weak defence!!!!!!!
No can stand against Mehdi. He is a man who knows what he is saying.
Are you sure it is only a minority that is radical?
@@kiranthomas5944 math are pretty easy : devide the nmbr of possible radicals by the nmbr of all muslims (2 Billion in 2023) the nbr of radicals won't reach 20 thousands. that's 0.001% of the population and that's far less then the nbr of muslims who are suffering in China and Myanmar.
If we suppose that there are 20 million Muslims between China and Mianmar then : nbr of radicals / nbr of muslims who suffers = 0.1%
I am curious as to where I can be informed of the final result of the vote conducted in his session. If anyone knows the result and would be kind enough to let me know, I would appreciate it.
The motion was carried with a Yes vote of 286 against a No vote of 168.
larz28 Why thank you, I shall trust your word :)
Trust no one ;) counterjihadreport.com/2013/07/22/the-oxford-union-debate-on-whether-islam-is-a-peaceful-religion/
Thanks! Iarz. I also pondered this result. Good to see the good people at the Oxford union came to the only logical conclusion and rightly so.
You're most welcome. (Wait, was someone just civilized on a TH-cam comment ?)Yeah, pretty interesting outcome.
Even though its easy to pick up the Quran and read it like a Jane Austen novel, theres a lot more involved with reading it. People have dedicated their entire lives to analyse and understand the Quran, and they have said that you need to understand 4 key elements, 1) Arabic grammar, 2) Pre Islamic Arabia, 3) historical context and 4) Islamic jurisprudence. Lezlie Hazleton (a Jewish lady) describes her experience as 'a tourist in the Quran' i would recommend her video on TED talks to understand
So it's not a book "for all time and all people ".?
@@lennydale92 precisely. The Quran is something i have studied my entire life. My parents decided to forgo formal education and enroll me into Islamic school from age 3. I have left Islam. I’ve spent decades studying this from teachers, everything I’ve learned culminated into me leaving the stupid religion i was born in. I studied Arabic for years too. Islam is horrible.
@@lennydale92 it actually is but a lot of people ignore the faults in their understanding when reading the quran. once u understand its good to go. but you cnat sya it is if u dont undertsand
@@VixieShadowX_sngbrd_Xconsidering it took forever to get English copies made of it, I’d say it very much isn’t a book for all people.
He've been reading all his speach and did not take any questions! Quite pathetic for a professor!
@Yellow Submarine huh
@Yellow Submarine like why you deleted y0ur reply?
@Orla jekins you people are great in making excuses
@Yellow Submarine what's your excuse lol
and why you deleted it
though you people can only make excuses
that's the most thing you can do
while ISLAM PROVIDE YOU ALOT OF SOLUTION
THE LAUGH IS ON YOU
@Orla jekins that's enough to prove your ignorance
and how bigot you are
PROPHET MUHAMMAD(S.A.W) DID NOT DIE FROM A POISON
JUST A LIE BY PHOBES
THATS ENOUGH TO TELL HOW MUCH IDIOT YOU ARE
I have 100% respect for this amazing Oxford University Physical Chemist. I own and have used his Physical Chemistry textbooks to the nth degree and will utilise them for life! Well done Professor Atkins. 100% agree with his opinions on that Islam.
I didn't understand anything he said. 🙄
That says a lot about you, Emmanuel.
@Keo Ramey No mercy, huh? 🤣
Yea the guy is like i-i- a-a-a m an islamphobic.
@@Nigtarr99 That's not a real word, sorry.
@@siim605 ahh i see an islamphobic sorry i got better things to do.
Yoh... this guy is brave...🤯
The young adults where highly disrespectful.
Why? Because they wanted to ask questions and point of information when he was spouting BS?
No idea why this has so many thumbs down, I thought it was a fairly respectable rebuttal. The irony of the supporters of Islam is you can only have a debate like this in non-Muslim countries as Islam is inherently a violent religion!
Lmfao
what did the audience member say at 3:48 to make everyone laugh?
"Draw me a picture of Muhammad"
@@Unicorns underrated comment
@@Unicorns draw me a picture of donald trump.
Little knowledge is dangerous .... Islam is complete code of life , we must penetrate ourselves in depth of Islam...
Very true, brother. That is why people need to have experience & study something with somebody who is part of that thing, like Islam.
Lack of knowledge creates concern, concern creates fear, fear creates ignorance, & thus a new & unnecessary argument is born. But indeed, no matter what people say whether they like it or not Islam is a true & peaceful religion & Allah is & will always be the greatest.
Ameen. 😌🌿
it's a cult. a dead end of thought.
Hahaha, the reason why some people think that the proposition keep on interrupting is because the main points of the proposition are correct and the opposition cannot POI them while the opposition can't answer back the POI that the proposition team gives.
this is debate not reading lmao
Ikr
It is really hard to go head to head because they have little time each. They are reading their notes and speeches and are trying to to get their points and information accros as quickly as possible. That is probably why they do not accept questions. I all though do understand your statement, it would be more for filling if they had more time.
@@nigina5627 but mehdi was speaking way more with barely reading any and he still answered questions
@@cyberanon2463 He is great
@@astudent8475 mehdi? Yeah he is
For anyone who has experience with the Oxford debates, do the opposition debate for the sake of the debate itself? Specifically, is Peter Atkins arguing for the side claiming Islam is not peaceful because the debate needs some one to debate for that side or is it what he truly believes?
Hi. Atkins would never adopt a point of view merely to make up the numbers in a debate. He loathes religion, and has often written and spoken about Christianity in remarkably hostile terms as well..
Best regards
As I told you before: Keep insulting me if this seems to make your day and keeps you happy! If only you would have a point - you don't even have a "coma" - LOL! I'm not bothered by people of your habitus. Have a great day ...
All mentioned in the Hadith.
√ The consumption of intoxicants will be widespread.
√ Rain will be acidic or burning (acid rain).
√ A trust becomes a means of making a profit.
√ Gains will be shared out only among the rich, with no benefit to the poor.
√ People will walk in the marketplace with their thighs exposed.
√ Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time.
√ Singers and musical instruments will become popular, Gangnam Style? Need I say more? Because there's much more.
Please do say more, and where do you find this information id like to know more
@@samiharb1684 @Sami Harb very easy to find on youtube and google.
If you are interested in prophecies I urge you to also watch this video.
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I don't get what you are trying to say. Seriously? Copying stuff from google because you are impatient of learning arabic and reading the Qur'an?
None of these are impressive or prescient in the slightest.
@@dreamer2260 You could also see someone jump across 3 rooftops do an aerial somersault at the end and land perfectly and call it not impressive in the slightest.
You actually have to be more elaborate Matthew.
Have a look
th-cam.com/video/LH-5JapwgqU/w-d-xo.html
Therein contains a thorough breakdown and an appropriate framework for prophecies.
When today’s jihādis punctuate their deeds with “Allāhu Akbar,” are they just advertising the Matt Groening character? And when Al Qaeda’s Mustafa Abul-Yazeed said “If the Americans agree to our conditions....we would offer a long truce, say ten years. Then we will ask them to become Muslims and if they refuse we will impose the jizya,” was that just cultural? How about Ayatollah Khomeini when he said “Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword”?
you're wrong my friend!!
Quick English how?
Jaz Beasley 🥱 sucks not to be enlightened. Just have an open heart
This is not an opinion, it's a fact
Muslims when they come to developed countries the regime is not the same as in their home back. they are not to blame.but i think evolving in society changing your strict regime is necessary if you want to succeed in the current world.muslims should develop its thinking of an individual mind who really believes in Islam from their heart and not by the regime or culture or by force or any brutal punishments should be in a court.
" ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF SAFETY "
-QURAN :- 9 : 6
for who?
I fail to understand why it's so hard to answer some questions from the audience.
Because all of his arguments can be dismantled with 3 questions
@@Ahmadabdal_ Nah, because he don't have time and don't want to deviate from his topic which he prepared.
Your job is tell the truth about ISLAM not fabricate your speach
Disappointed in this man's lack of understanding, and narrow mindedness tbh. If he is Alive today, May he be Blessed with Broad mindedness, and path of Light.
Give me an example of something he said that demonstrates his "lack of understanding".
i felt that he would not allow anyone to talk/ask any questions while he was talking because he knew that he would not be able to answer them back lol
@@Cecilia-ky3uw no he just dosent want to answer. none of them do. only mehdi answered questions
If you’re not a born again Christian then chances are that you’ll be unable to place your right palm on the KJV and say these words once only-> I refuse to be deceived by the devil.
Rev.12:9 The devil deceives the whole world.
❤️✝️Jn.3:7
If you want to learn about Islam then learn from ex Muslims. Subscribe to apostate prophet channel he is a ex Muslim and best critic of Islam.
Follow Farid responds where we exposed that apostate Prostate badly.
You Islamophobes learn Islam only from these fools, a paid actor. How agnorant you are!
"A good man can select according to their appetite, trouble is that bad man can select accoding to their appetite too" that's just proves free consciousness in Islam. you've killed your whole argument at the beginning 1:25
No, it proves that Islam isn't a religion of peace, but also a religion of violence. Decent people will reject the worst doctrines of Islam, while awful people will indulge and accept them.
@@siim605 backward thinking.
@@afah6850 Wrong. Backwards thinking is to make excuses for a religion where execution for apostasy and stoning for adultery are mainstream prescriptions.
@@siim605 bro this sentence here twisted as fuck, and I do believe rapists should be shot or hanged; so, you're ok with your SO sleeping with others: swinging perhaps.And, show me someone that was executed for execution.
Point is Islam has no home nor place in a civilized world.
It is a book that was made for barbaric tribes of the middles east in the Middle Ages and only applies for that era and time and never in our time.
Peter Singer (one of the world’s leading atheist ideologues) shows that determining sex to be licit on the basis of “consent” also justifies bestiality.
Around the year 2000, Singer was criticized for his positive review of a book by Midas Dekkers called Dearest Pet.
Dekkers is a popular Dutch intellectual public figure who was initially a biologist. He is known for his particular affection towards animals.
Singer was accused of advocating for bestiality as well, because he said that the issue with sex with animals is not so much related to morality but rather cruelty. He argues that if there is no cruelty, a person can take part in “mutually satisfying activities” with their animal.
The stage presentation is on point lol.
I am very happy to see that there are some people that can discuss a issue without saying rude words. You are among-st the few people that take a issue seriously and don't start saying mean things when saying something. People are always rude when I talk about Islam but I always try to never say rude since it is against Islam. Be they be Muslims or non-Muslims are try to be nice since its always good in any case. I hope all the best in the future and have a blessed day.
It's one step. I'd be happier if they spoke true words. The cheery picked, sanatised version of the Koran they refer to has no basis in truth. The Koran is fundamentally violent. It calls for violence. Demands it.
the Professor clearly hadn't studied the Quran or the basics of Islamic history.
And yet all of these crimes has been (and still is) comminted in the name of Christianity,Judaism,Hinduism and of course buddism. Yet i would be hard pressed to find anyone in this day and age that blasts anyone of these religons for their crimes.
Sorry Peter but i think the results are quite clear
Actually they get blasted by people all the time. Much like you are doing now. ALl religona(and non religons) have people who commit crimes. A true christian would not wish harm on anyone. The MOSAIC covenant dont apply to christians
NT is what we are to live bynot the OT. and Jesus gave gentiles diffrent rules and that you can look up
That would be true. Very true indeed. But if we take the ''pulse'' so to speak of what the spotlight on ''crime'' in the name of religion is nowadays it always falls on Islam. I have yet to see a debate on ''The crimes of Christianity'' or ''Hinduism is a religion of forced marriage''
Because they are old hat now. thats why
And Islam being warlike is not? I think the concept of blaming any religion for the crimes of its practitioners (often a very small minority) is a old hat
Islam is
a relgion of good values and peace; the main concept of Islam based on :mercy, peace and forgiveness.
As regarding, that there are 100 verses or references In Quran Indicate that Islam is not peaceful religion, that really misconception and totally untrue
T have read Quran multiple time with analytical way throughout ten years, I have found out that any mention of using violence was only as a defense "a defensive war " when aggression against Muslims happened at the time of the messenger Mohammad, or else Islam was obliterated at its cradle.
As for the narrative saying :"Mohammed commanded to fight people till they
Believe", that saying Contradict with Quran verses so that keep to Quran verses and not be confused by the narrative of the extremists who take the Quranic Verses out of the context distorting the message of the peaceful and merciful religion ;Islam.
God says : O Mohammad, l have sent you only to be mercy for mankind and other creatures " verse no. 21, Chapter no. 107.
Verse no 256 chapter no. 1- says :
" No coercion in accepting religion, it is" now the truth (Islam) has been distinguished from false relgion ".
Chapter 109 verse no. 6
Say (Muhammad) to disbelievers :
" you have your religion and I have my religion "
As for women right according to Islam religion they more powerful in Islam than other religions and they accept Islam much more than men,
The first person accepted Islam was "his boss" a powerful woman ( Muhammad 's wife ;khadiga)
As for chopping hand, flogging
This punishment was made difficult
To put in force and no longer relevant according to Islam concept.
As for stoning, stoning not mentioned in Quran.
Quran revealed in Arabic language
The words of Quran in itself miracle ;unmatched and unrivaled so that its difficult to translate ; each one word packed with meanings
Please read it carefully, more and more!!!!!!!!!
Muhammad ghander
27th of May 2021
One side had young, energetic speakers and the other had dusty old people.
But realistically, the presence of muslims in the audience and their greater proportion in the crowd, led to people feeling unable to applaud as enthusiastically as they would like to the opposition's points, I believe.
and yes the opposition side not taking even one question from the audience shows how incredible these opposition points were!
In Bolivia, a Suez company (Aguas de Illimani) left 200,000 people without access to water and caused a revolt when it tried to charge between $335 and $445 to connect a private home to the water supply. Countless people were unable to afford this charge in a country whose yearly per capita GDP is $915.
Unfortunately, the IMF and World Bank are playing a key role in pushing water privatization all over the world. Many countries have been required to open up their water supply to private companies as a condition for receiving IMF loans, and the World Bank has approved millions of dollars in loans for the privatization of water systems.
This side's speakers, I must say, are a bit less energetic than the other side. Why? Well because the speakers are (without insult or anything negative) older. While the other side, look at them, their speakers are young, well-bodied man and in their prime. (If u've been following this debate, u must have known what I'm talkin' about)
I think it's worth pointing out to everyone commenting on this video that not only is there a peaceful sect of islam, and that not all muslims live to the letter of the koran, but it's VERY important not to become a victim of your own confirmation bias. Always keep an open mind and use the evidence, not your emotions, to come to a decision on things. :)
Also, flagging people as spam because you don't agree with their views is pathetic. You can't have a debate with one voice.
(Part 2) is strongly repressed , leaving only human linguistics as the vehicle by which Man may attempt such communication or union. Language fails ! Whether we speak of so called fundamentalist Christians , ultra - orthodox Jews, or even atheists who truncate their perception by evaluating their experience soley through the scientific paradigm, the result is the same ! Emotional inflexibility .
*World* - *Islam* = *Peace*
LMAO you got to be ignorant as fuck if you think getting rid of one religion will bring about work peice
World + working condoms = a world without brainless pigs like you 😌 a better world
@@GoingToAFuneralyour prophet fucked a child and called himself the best of creation.
Look no one knew any better back in the day and thought gods did this and that but look at how much we know now it's time to grow up. Winged horses, raising from the dead, zeus with lightening.
Time to grow up everyone
i agree but we will be raised from the dead at when all of our souls will collect
What's up with the extreme amount of dislikes?
Oh! You just reminded me to dislike.
usmh Because we heard it unlike u. U just liked its title :P
Because it's easier to write off somebody questioning your beliefs, than to engage them constructively and consider their points.
Ucmh mostly Muslim watching this
All non Muslims don’t know about this topic and think they r safe
Until islam goes 51% in the country and sharia law is on implementation
Then everyone will say
How did that happen
Google the below
What is taquiyya and what islam uses taquiyya for
They r very uncomfortable with that
What Mahdi did is exactly taquiyya
Be liberal until uk has more than 50percent Muslim
Then run away quick
They will butcher non muslim
Muslims are angry and trying to force their religion on us as usual.
Listen to this in full. Then definitely listen to Mehdi Hassan.
I've heard Medhi talk with Dawkins where he admits he believes in miracles: that Mohammed flew to heaven on a Pegasus.
@@hareecionelson5875 pegasus? I think it was a winged horse
@@cyberanon2463
My mistake, Pegasus was a specific winged-horse, and is not the generic name
@@hareecionelson5875 I don't understand how you can make a mistake like that
@@cyberanon2463 I'm obviously a winged-horse bigot: they all look the same. Pegasus is the most famous one, so to me, a wi ged horse is called a pegasus
Leaders of Islam as a majority never condemn attacks in the religions name. A few do but not all
DEAR MEHDI & YOUR GANG - DO NOT TELL US THAT ISLAM IS PEACE- GO TO SAUDI ARABA AND TELL THE MOHAMMEDAN EXPERTS THERE THAT THEY ARE WRONG- AND YOU TINY NOTHING ARE RIGHT.
I live in Saudi Arabia. And Mehdi and his gang are correct. Too bad for you then
You are obviously in no position to speak about a topic that you have no knowledge of, please brush up on your knowledge come back with facts AND context because you people like to give quotes to suit your argument with no context
OH MY GOD! Contrast any atrocity that any person commits with the teachings of their religion, laws of their state or just collective moral ethics as Human beings. These contrasts are cultural, not sweeping statements to be assumed connection with Islam, I cannot believe people so well educated and intelligent can be so ignorant. The same could be said of so many people from every background imaginable.
Islam not a peaceful religion? First learn about Islam and then talk about it.
Well done, sir. If you need to ask the question, then you already know the answer.
Every thing he is saying he is talking about himself
The Hudud punishments of flogging and stoning are relevant to Atkins' personality? How? This is literally the dumbest possible comment you could've made.
Yes go on fornicate you don’t get stoned in this country don’t worry about flogging you just stay in prison for couple of months with a play station
IT'S THE SAME SLOPE NOW
Martin Niemöller, from a January 6, 1946, speech: "In Germany they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me - and by that time no one was left to speak up."
4:28 LMAO he acts like he was saying something very interesting.
@shaka mata _ African pride i know that's heavy for you.
of course there is a big difference . Abraham was more of a goeroe, Jezus a kind of hippie type and Mohammed a war lord. You see where the difference in approach come from?
The Reign of Terror of the French Revolution, The Communist Revolution in Russia, World War I, World War II, The Rape of Nanking, The atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the anhialation of Dresden, and finally the Holocaust . Can anyone tell me what Islam had to do with this ocean of blood ?
Armenian genocide around 1.75 NON MUSLIMS killed by muslims,,,1.5 million muslims killed by OTHER MUSLIMS in the middle east through inter-religious conflicts ie shia/sunni in the past 20 years. {research it}. Want me to carry on?
Reign of terror of the French Revolution, Russian communist revolution, WW I, WW II, Rape of Nanking, Holocaust,... and now Islam--same fate?
mehstgful funny how people deflect the subject by stating non islamic crimes,we all know evil crimes are all over the world,the question here is islam. stay on subject.
jacky whipet
Sorry I didn't make it clearer. I meant to imply that Islam will eventually go the way of all other tyrannical persecutions of humanity.
mehstgful Ok but I see Islam killing itself first,its waring within itself all the time,muslim on muslim death toll over the last 40 years is in the millions. So it has no place to stand up and claim peace,no religion is peaceful,they are all man made ideas.
Look in the Internet, look on the streets, GOD DAMN IT - Look around you and say again: ISLAM IS PEACEFULL now youknow it is just as to say: SANTA CLAUS IS REAL!!
Any one explain me which abrahamic religion is peaceful !
ALL
Talk about abusing your rejection of interruptions. For fuck's sake. How many different people tried to correct him? How many different times? He was literally saying wrong statements. They all stood at points where he was at a natural stopping point, and yet he couldn't have the basic courtesy to take any single point.
i hear you.
"Good men will find good things in Islam as good men will find anywhere but we have seen the examples of behaviour that Islam inspires".
Islam never inspires to violence or terrorist attack
@@dimasmaulana6855 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor abide by the religion of truth-from among those who received the Scripture-until they pay the due tax, willingly or unwillingly. Surah 9:29 ,This verse does tell you to do violence .
@@dimasmaulana6855 Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,surah 5:33
@@kiranthomas5944 my comment; the refutation, is too long, so I will have to divide it into separate parts.
@@kiranthomas5944 The religion of Islam has been degraded and vilified by those who seem to believe that they have a better understanding of the religion, compared to the consensus of scholars for the past 1440 years. These misguided individuals cite a verse here and there which they believe to be violent in the sense that the verses endorse violence against innocents. They conveniently or better to say, deliberately leave out the historical context regarding why and when these verses were revealed. When one engages with them, correcting their misunderstanding of these verse(s), they often accuse us of ‘cherry-picking’!
1. Introduction
Some claim that the verse (Q. 9:29) endorses and ‘sanctions Muslims to kill innocent Christians and Jews’. This is simply not true. I undertook the task to investigate the verse (Q. 9:29) as a result of some critics misusing and twisting the verse to mean something it has never intended to say. It is only appropriate to respond to their claims, given the fact that, not even Prophet Muhammed (p) interpreted it as such during his own life.
2. Background
It is agreed by some of the earliest classical to modern commentators on the Quran that this verse (Q. 9:29) was revealed concerning the expedition to Tabuk, to face the Byzantine (Roman) Empire’s army (Mujahid Ibn Jabr (645-722 AD), Hud b. Muhakkam Hawwari [1], Al-Tabari (838-923 AD) [2], Baghawi (1044-1122 AD), and Ibn Kathir (1301-1373 AD)).
3. The Verse - Historical Context
Let us read the verse [Muhammed Asad Translation]:
“[And] fight against those who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [a foretime] - do not [truly] believe either in God or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth [which God has enjoined upon them] till they [agree to] pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled [in war].” - Qur’an 9:29
So, the verse tells Muhammed (PBUH) to fight against those who were revealed previous scripture. Who does the verse refer to? As mentioned previously, some of the earliest Islamic exegesis on the Quran says that the verse (9:29) was revealed concerning the Tabuk expedition.
The Hadith, collections of reports from what Prophet Muhammed (pbup) said, approved off, or sometimes what the Companions of the Prophet (pbup) said. According to Sahih Muslim (Hadith) and Riyad us-Saliheen, they report to us that the Tabuk expedition was undertaken as a result of the impending army of the Byzantine (Romans) who were advancing on the Syrian border for war. Sahih Muslim:
“I never remained behind Allah’s Messenger from any expedition which he undertook except the Battle of Tabuk and that of the Battle of Badr. So far as the Battle of Badr is concerned, nobody was blamed for remaining behind as Allah’s Messenger and the Muslims (did not set out for attack but for waylaying) the caravan of the Quraish, but it was Allah Who made them confront their enemies without their intention (to do so). I had the honor to be with Allah’s Messenger on the night of ‘Aqaba when we pledged our allegiance to Islam and it was dearer to me than my participation in the Battle of Badr, although Badr was more popular amongst people as compared with that (Tabuk). And this is my story of remaining back from Allah’s Messenger on the occasion of the Battle of TABUK. Never did I possess means enough and (my circumstances) more favorable than at the occasion of this expedition. And, by Allah, I had never before this expedition simultaneously in my possession two rides. Allah’s Messenger set out for this expedition in the extremely hot season; the journey was long and the land (which he and his army had to cover) was waterless and HE HAD TO CONFRONT A LARGE ARMY, so he informed the Muslims about the actual situation (they had to face), so that they should adequately equip themselves for this expedition, and he also told them the destination where he intended to go. …” (Sahih Muslim Book 37, Hadith 6670)
Riyad as-Salihin:
“Abdullah bin Ka’b, who served as the guide of Ka’b bin Malik (May Allah be pleased with him) when he became blind, narrated: I heard Ka’b bin Malik (May Allah be pleased with him) narrating the story of his remaining behind instead of joining Messenger of Allah when he left for the battle of Tabuk. Ka’b said: “I accompanied Messenger of Allah in every expedition which he undertook excepting the battle of Tabuk and the battle of Badr. As for the battle of Badr, nobody was blamed for remaining behind as Messenger of Allah and the Muslims, when they set out, had in mind only to intercept the caravan of the Quraish. Allah made them confront their enemies unexpectedly. I had the honor of being with Messenger of Allah on the night of ‘Aqabah when we pledged our allegiance to Islam and it was dearer to me than participating in the battle of Badr, although Badr was more well-known among the people than that. And this is the account of my staying behind from the battle of TABUK. I never had better mean and more favorable circumstances than at the time of this expedition. And by Allah, I had never before possessed two riding-camels as I did during the time of this expedition. Whenever the Messenger of Allah decided to go on a campaign, he would not disclose his real destination till the last moment (of departure). But on this expedition, he set out in extremely hot weather; the journey was long and the terrain was a waterless desert; and HE HAD TO FACE A STRONG ARMY, so he informed the Muslims about the actual position so that they should make full preparation for the campaign.” (Riyad as-Salihin Book 1, Hadith 21)
Notice, in the above two reports we read that the Byzantine army was already there, ready, and equipped to go to war. These following reports (below) also shed information that news had reached the Muslims that the Ghassanid tribe, which was part of the Byzantine (Roman) empire were preparing to attack the Muslim community.
Sahih al-Bukhari:
“… I left her (and went home). At that time, I had a friend from the Ansar who used to bring news (from the Prophet) in case of my absence, and I used to bring him the news if he was absent. In those days we were afraid of one of the kings of GHASSANID TRIBE. We heard that he INTENDED TO MOVE AND ATTACK US, so fear filled our hearts because of that. (One day) my Ansari friend unexpectedly knocked at my door, and said, “Open Open!’ I said, ‘Has the king of Ghassan come?’ He said, ‘No, but something worse; God’s Messenger has isolated himself from his wives.’ …” (Sahih al-Bukhari volume 6, Book 60, Hadith 435)
Sahih Muslim:
“I had a friend from the Ansar. When I had been absent (from the company of the Prophet) he used to bring me the news and when he had been absent I used to bring him the news, and at that time we dreaded a KING OF GHASSAN. It was mentioned to us that he INTENDED TO ATTACK US, AND OUR MINDS WERE HAUNTED BY HIM. My friend, the Ansari, came to me, and he knocked at the door and said: Open it, open it. I said: Has the Ghassanid come? He said: (The matter is) more serious than that. The Messenger of Allah has separated himself from his wives. …” (Sahih Muslim Book 9, Hadith 3508)
Jami at-Tirmidhi:
“‘My house was in Al-Awali among those of Banu Umayya, and I had a neighbor among the Ansar, and he and I would take turns visiting the Messenger of God.’ He said: ‘One day I would visit him and bring the news of the Revelation, and one day he would visit him and bring the same. We heard that GHASSAN WERE PREPARING THEIR HORSES TO ATTACK US. He said: ‘One day he came to me in the evening and knocked on my door, so I went out to him. He said: “A horrible thing has happened.” I said: “Ghassan has come?” He said: “Worse than that. The Messenger of God has divorced his wives.’ … “(Jami` at-Tirmidhi volume 5, Book 44, Hadith 3318)
In relation to this, Ibn Sa’d (784-845 AD), in his book Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir states that news had reached Prophet Muhammed that the Byzantine (Romans) had ‘concentrated large forces’, and Heraclius had sent some his military to ‘Balqa’. This is when the Muhammed (p) ‘summoned’ his people to the expedition of Tabuk:
“They (narrators) saud: It (report) reached the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, that the ROMANS HAD CONCENTRATED LARGE FORCES IN SYRIA had, that Heraclius had disbursed one year’s salary to his soldiers and that tribes of Lakhm, Judham, ‘Amilah and Ghassan had joined hands with him. THEY SENT HAD SENT THEIR VANGUARDS TO AL-BALQA. THE MESSENGER Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him, SUMMONED THE PEOPLE TO MARCH. He set out and informed them about the place which he intended so that they could make necessary preparations. He sent (messengers) to Makkah and to the tribes of Arabia (asking them) to send help. This took place in the days of intense heat.” (Ibn Sa’d, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol. 2, pp. 203-204) [3]
9th Century historian Aḥmad Ibn Yaḥya al-Baladhuri (D. 892 AD), also reports in his book, ‘Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan’, in clear words that the Prophet (p) learned that the Byzantine army ‘had assembled against him’:
“Tabuk make terms. When in the year 9 AH the Prophet marched to TABUK in Syria for the invasion of those of the Greeks, Amilah, Lakhm, Judham, and others WHOM HE LEARNT HAD ASSEMBLED AGAINST HIM, he met no resistance. So he spent a few days in Tabuk, whose inhabitants made terms with him agreeing to pay poll-tax.” (Kitab Futuh Al-Buldan, vol. 1, p. 92) [4]
Mehdi Hassan responded positively cleaning mishaps this venerated explained but wrongly.
He must keep on with chemistry rather than falling himself in a well of fire
Is this written in your Islamic books too?
@@roleplayinglife7548 Does your question make sense here?
@@roleplayinglife7548 what Mahdi explained and put forwarded as arguments are something called open secret as everyone knows it. Let alone giving reference to books
Pick a better translation device, what you have written here is unintelligible.
@@greytooth898 Proofreaded:
Mehdi Hassan responded positively, cleaning this other man’s mishaps. This venerated man explained wrongly. He must keep on with chemistry, rather than letting himself fall into a well((?) wait, isn’t it more like a pit or a lake) of fire.
The Hindu text Sushruta Samhita, written in 600 BCE, is filled with detailed seminal descriptions of surgical procedures and instruments that are conceptually used today.
"pLeAse FoR tHe SaKe oF hUmAnIty, OpPose" smh
they literally don't have any valid argument for their barbaric human executions LOL
A debate like this would never be allowed in a Canadian or American university. We are way too woke and offended to allow free speech such as this.
You see what you want to see. In our times, it is easier to be fooled by the kind of information that comes to us. It's easier for someone to believe that sikhism is a peaceful religion, because of the acts of the believers. But I am sure that there could be loopholes and some faulty believers too. History speaks for itself.
When it comes to religion, all of them are the same: they talk about the same principles and the way of life. Almost all start with the most basic axiom: God is one. So it boils down to how people interpret the teachings and more than that, how well are those interpretations broadcasted.
Your reference to Sikhism is amply amplified by the recent news of the killing of a Sikh in Canada. He was an extremist who believed in Khalistan - a land for the Sikhs. You look back at the history of the calls for Khalistan and you'll see many atrocities carried out in the name of establishing Khalistan. BUT I do not say therefore all Sikhs are aggressors. The same as I do not say all Islam followers are aggressors either.
@@donovanvaz3289 ummmm! While I do agree with you on the last bit, I posted my comment three years ago and so it is not “amplified” by the recent news!
What did that person in the audience say around 4:18?
I'm not sure but I think she asked if he could speak louder