My favorite Olympic moments for the men's event would have to be Hanyu's Quad Axel and Nathan's quad Lutz in the FS/Nathan getting the gold medal... Hanyu's Axel was very close and I hope he continues to practice it... A little more active edge continuity and he will have it... If he doesn't continue, Malinin will do it cleanly in competition in the next 18 months... Can't wait to see Malinin at the world Championships in March! Good job guys!
I am not a figure skater (disclaimer), only someone who have been reading a lot of different views on Yuzu's SP popped sal based on available images. I found there were different theories even from experienced skaters on what happened, which was interesting to me. We may never know exactly - even for Yuzu this is something that happened in a fraction of a second, but my two cents from reading different perspectives on it: I honestly feel from the way everyone describes him, Yuzu skates in a different way on the ice than most quad jumping men and any views should take that SS into account. He has a very light touch and sound, rather than being a skater who frequently scrape hard against the ice. So I think it is in the realm of possibility, that he is a skater who is more affected by ice conditions if he is not used to having to "fight" the ice and he is the type of skater to maximise using ice and angles to get what he wants. To me one of Yuzu's most defining characteristics is his effortlessness, and that's something about how he relates to the ice. I also wonder whether he increasingly relies on that flow and SS over "muscling it out" due to age and to preserve his body condition/longevity (I also wonder that he didn't pick some of those higher TES jumps like quad Lutz for the same reason of preserving his body condition - he's really risking his body mainly for the quad axel). Anyway, I'm not saying it's unfair on him, strengths and weaknesses are flip sides of a coin, and it's really an unfortunate fact of life for any skater at all to have to skate on ice with less than ideal conditions in general. Rather I am saying given these features of his skating, maybe it does mean everyone even if they jump quads themselves may need to be a bit cautious about drawing from their own experiences to speak over his experience on what happened with the hole. Just generally speaking, Yuzu is so seasoned, perfectionistic in his study of his jumps and rarely does he speak without thought, it is hard to imagine him being totally wrong on what happened from his own experience of his jumps, when he already said he was reluctant to say it given he knew how it would make him look too. I say it's more than worth giving Yuzu the benefit of the doubt given his creds when it comes to knowing his own jumps, while leaving some room for him to be humanly wrong too given everything else going on (loved that discussion on giving him psychological safety to make mistakes btw!). I know he fell on the sal in the free too but I attribute it to him not having much sensation in his ankle after that fall in oractice and the post-4A adrenaline to be honest. The muscle memory involved to skate when you are feeling pain and can't sense the ice as well as usual (and when that is normally one of your best strengths) (AND you are doing it all in the Olympics) is terrifying to me. Anyway, posting this because I am open to thoughts from actual skaters and/or physicists who could just be like "no, that's physically impossible that it is how it works even for someone like Yuzuru Hanyu".
I'm not going to trust any other skaters' opinion over Yuzuru unless they have have completed a superslam themselves and have a career at the top for more than a decade. Imagine some amateur adult skater thinking they have experience to talk and invalidate yuzuru's own words when he has done more they can ever dream of accomplishing in the world of skating.
Yuzaru is wildly inconsistent. Full stop. He has not skated a clean long since 2015 and his skating skills are no longer competitive. Stop denigrating the competition because your champion is now on the downside of his career. He was a great champion and is a great champion. But that doesn’t give you a right to denigrate others which is what you’re doing. He is not otherworldly he is a man. Simply put his competitive skating is not that great anymore. I’m sorry. But please, enough. The lack of respect that you pay to his competition does not do him justice. As a great champion I don’t think he likes it when people like you speak on this behalf. Because you’re you are drawing erroneous conclusions that denigrate the sport he loves.
I think Kagiyama with his extraordinary speed and quality soft knee skating deserved higher PCS than Nathan, though Nathan with his more difficult quads still deserved the gold medal.
Nathan has a lot of agility to his skating, actually. While he doesn't have the soft knees, I don't feel it effects or interrupts the fluidity and the effortlessness of his skating in any way. It's that combination that makes his skating rather unique, and distinguishes him from everyone else.
Sorry, guys, but I love Nathan's programs....his music choices...how youthful and modern his programs can be. I find him to be so refreshing with his versatility, his confidence, and his swagger. He brings an entirely different aspect to the sport aesthetically with how cool he is, and I can appreciate that. There will be plenty of skaters to come who will all just skate to the same kind of music, wear the same style of costumes, and fit into that "traditional figure skater" mold...but Nathan is non-traditional and unconventional, both in style and in his music choices. That's what makes him so memorable to me(outside of his greatness and all his amazing achievements, of course).
You sound myopic. There are plenty of men's skaters like Adam Siao, Dennis V, Mark Kondratiuk whose programs also don't fit in that traditional mould and yet still manage to be more entertaining and well-dressed.
I loved Nathan Chen’s music and found it very memorable, so I have to disagree with your friend with those comments, but I enjoy listening to former competitors.
Except his techniques are a bit questionable. I haven't looked at all his different jumps in great detail but he definitely has excessive pre-rotations to the ones that I have seen, as well as just questionable edges to certain jumps like the lutz. That aside, much like Nathan, he does seem to be quite consistent in landing his jumps...and that's impressive.
Someone commented that Shoma's short program wasn't clean and he got over scored. His hand touched the ice after his first jump (i think) and one of his jumps was underrotated. I saw a hand but the under rotation, not sure. Some russian fs fans are toxic AF, so male skaters are mentally broken after not meeting the expectations. People are waiting for the next Yagudin or Pluschenko, so the boys get crushed by everyone's high requirements and the previous legacy. They like to stay on social media, they read the comments, read the articles. During training they show one thing but in the competitions they overthink and self sabotage.
I don’t know if it was an excuse because Yuzu did go back and check it after his program and three fingers fit in. He went to cover the rut afterwards and helped the volunteers fill any other holes. For the time he was in the podium booth or however you call it, you can see him icing a huge bump on his ankle so I think he injured it again before or during the events. As for the jumps he chose, for me, it seemed obvious he didn’t have his mind on gold but on that axel so I think he optimized his program for minimum making podium but mostly geared towards landing 4a. He has said in interviews that after double olympic gold that his only motivations were landing 4a so I think that’s another reason why he’s been pushing his ankle and being loose on optimizing programs for his podium standing this olys. Thanks for you and your friends reaction(?)/talk(?)😅😂👍🏼
Yeah he said he sprained his ankle and was going to call it off it it weren't the Olympics. He got a (cortizone?) shot in his ankle right before the free and that's how he skated.
I listened to commentator on Nathan Chen Quads, ( Kurt BROWNING) He feels when Nathan does his quads it feel nature like when someone do their triple. I noticed when he does his triple they look so so easy for him. Except for triple axel HE NOT A BIG FAN !! I hope you keep posting more videos. Enjoy your views. I don’t always agreed with everything you said but there no IN harm listening and learning from other people. 👍
Life is so unfair😂🤣😅 not only does Nathan got great talent, He is a good looking guy. I only seen him in interviews, He seem like nice and humble person.
Thanks for bringing up the thing about the hole that allegedly stopped Hanyu from performing the 4S. Exactly what I've been thinking, if it was so bad, why didn't he go to the referee and ask for them to fix it? For himself AND the other skaters? Weird. Also unpopular Hanyu opinion: am I the only one who notices his flexed feet? I cannot get past that. It makes him look awkward rather than graceful in my eyes. Yes, he has beautiful deep edges and knee work, but those feet man. Also I think he is overtrained and his body is giving up on him little by little. I mean he really only landed one type of quad at these Olympics (4T). I think it's time for him to take a break. On a happier note, Nathan's FS was such an Olympic moment! I loved how he already celebrated his win around halfway mark of the program. So much joy and confidence. It was the happiest I have ever seen him on ice, such a pleasure to watch. Also I will be the defender of Nathan's outfits, I don't think they're anywhere near as bad as people make them to be. The galaxy shirt looked good on the ice and highlighted his overall coolness. Would've been better in purple/pinkish colors, but overall he looked good. And yes, he is hot LOL
Maybe Nathan should have worn the fiery supernova shirt instead of this one because that would have been perfect for how hot he is ;) Anyway, agreed that his shirts for his Rocketman program are nowhere near as bad as people are making them sound. They just look like fun, casual, athletic shirts...which is perfectly valid for a fun and energetic program that was meant to show off his athleticism. There's nothing particularly "ugly" about them, IMO.
@@divinearia1601 Right? I mean, are people really expecting him to wear a bedazzled costume with a shitload of sequins when he's jamming to hip hop? Wouldn't that look ridiculous?
Can I ask what you mean with Yuzuru's flexed feet? I used to do ballet and am pretty new to the skating world so I'm not sure what you mean by that and why it's bad. The two options that came to my mind were either that you think he's pointing/not pointing his toes too much, or that he's winging his feet too much. (winging one's foot means to point it outwards by pulling on the muscles on the outer edge of your foot. basically making it look less like a banana. or maybe a better way to phrase it would be if he's extending his leg backwards, if he wings his foot his toes would be higher than his heel. i hope i didn't do too horrible of a job explaining the concept of winging feet if you didn't know what it was. it would also be hilarious if you were already familiar with the concept and i just ended up embarrassing myself.)
@@scarletbailey6086 I was actually familiar with the banana foot concept, not the opposite of it, so thanks for explaining lol but no, I meant that he doesn't point his toes. Except in skating pointing your toes really means pointing your feet because the toes are inside a skating boot. It's not necessarily a thing on the scoresheet in fs but it is preferred, as is turnout. I've noticed that Ilia Malinin has the same problem, but he's only 17, so maybe he'll improve on that in the future. On the other hand, Nathan Chen is a great example of a singles skater who points his toes/feet beautifully, but if you really want to see the mastery of it, I recommend ice dancing, especially Madison Hubbell. I could stare at that girl's feet all day long lol
@@Unfiltered494 Thanks for replying! I didn’t even know you *could* point your feet inside of a skating boot. I just assumed that the boots were too solid for that so that was nice to know. It’s never bothered me before because I hate banana feet more than flexed feet but I’ll try to look more closely to see how I feel about it.
I have empathy for Hanyu, but I think a lot of things he has said have been quite questionable. The rut thing (as you discussed), but also his claims that he was super injured (but then skated in the gala?). It's just weird on his part.
Other angles of his 4S in the short clearly show his blade didn't take off, plus it wasn't a normal pop. Doesn't excuse any bad behavior on part of his fans, but he was asked by the media to explain why he popped and he did, ruts in the ice happen and there were pictures of it. I'm certain the 4S fall after his 4A in the FS was because he just fell on the jump that injured him in practice between the SP and FP, and he didn't give any excuse for his 4S error in the long. He was also clearly injured, icing his ankle which had been shown on TV to be swollen like a balloon in the green room waiting for the free skate event to finish. He skated in the gala against doctor's orders because this might be his last Olympics, I don't see how it's weird for him to want to perform one last time, even if he had to take pain killers for it. It's also not the first time he's skated injured.
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Nathan and Yuma were both born May 5th....must have been something in the stars.....
My favorite Olympic moments for the men's event would have to be Hanyu's Quad Axel and Nathan's quad Lutz in the FS/Nathan getting the gold medal... Hanyu's Axel was very close and I hope he continues to practice it... A little more active edge continuity and he will have it... If he doesn't continue, Malinin will do it cleanly in competition in the next 18 months... Can't wait to see Malinin at the world Championships in March! Good job guys!
I am not a figure skater (disclaimer), only someone who have been reading a lot of different views on Yuzu's SP popped sal based on available images. I found there were different theories even from experienced skaters on what happened, which was interesting to me. We may never know exactly - even for Yuzu this is something that happened in a fraction of a second, but my two cents from reading different perspectives on it:
I honestly feel from the way everyone describes him, Yuzu skates in a different way on the ice than most quad jumping men and any views should take that SS into account. He has a very light touch and sound, rather than being a skater who frequently scrape hard against the ice. So I think it is in the realm of possibility, that he is a skater who is more affected by ice conditions if he is not used to having to "fight" the ice and he is the type of skater to maximise using ice and angles to get what he wants. To me one of Yuzu's most defining characteristics is his effortlessness, and that's something about how he relates to the ice. I also wonder whether he increasingly relies on that flow and SS over "muscling it out" due to age and to preserve his body condition/longevity (I also wonder that he didn't pick some of those higher TES jumps like quad Lutz for the same reason of preserving his body condition - he's really risking his body mainly for the quad axel). Anyway, I'm not saying it's unfair on him, strengths and weaknesses are flip sides of a coin, and it's really an unfortunate fact of life for any skater at all to have to skate on ice with less than ideal conditions in general. Rather I am saying given these features of his skating, maybe it does mean everyone even if they jump quads themselves may need to be a bit cautious about drawing from their own experiences to speak over his experience on what happened with the hole. Just generally speaking, Yuzu is so seasoned, perfectionistic in his study of his jumps and rarely does he speak without thought, it is hard to imagine him being totally wrong on what happened from his own experience of his jumps, when he already said he was reluctant to say it given he knew how it would make him look too. I say it's more than worth giving Yuzu the benefit of the doubt given his creds when it comes to knowing his own jumps, while leaving some room for him to be humanly wrong too given everything else going on (loved that discussion on giving him psychological safety to make mistakes btw!). I know he fell on the sal in the free too but I attribute it to him not having much sensation in his ankle after that fall in oractice and the post-4A adrenaline to be honest. The muscle memory involved to skate when you are feeling pain and can't sense the ice as well as usual (and when that is normally one of your best strengths) (AND you are doing it all in the Olympics) is terrifying to me.
Anyway, posting this because I am open to thoughts from actual skaters and/or physicists who could just be like "no, that's physically impossible that it is how it works even for someone like Yuzuru Hanyu".
I'm not going to trust any other skaters' opinion over Yuzuru unless they have have completed a superslam themselves and have a career at the top for more than a decade. Imagine some amateur adult skater thinking they have experience to talk and invalidate yuzuru's own words when he has done more they can ever dream of accomplishing in the world of skating.
Yuzaru is wildly inconsistent. Full stop. He has not skated a clean long since 2015 and his skating skills are no longer competitive. Stop denigrating the competition because your champion is now on the downside of his career. He was a great champion and is a great champion. But that doesn’t give you a right to denigrate others which is what you’re doing. He is not otherworldly he is a man. Simply put his competitive skating is not that great anymore. I’m sorry. But please, enough. The lack of respect that you pay to his competition does not do him justice. As a great champion I don’t think he likes it when people like you speak on this behalf. Because you’re you are drawing erroneous conclusions that denigrate the sport he loves.
I think Kagiyama with his extraordinary speed and quality soft knee skating deserved higher PCS than Nathan, though Nathan with his more difficult quads still deserved the gold medal.
Nathan has a lot of agility to his skating, actually. While he doesn't have the soft knees, I don't feel it effects or interrupts the fluidity and the effortlessness of his skating in any way. It's that combination that makes his skating rather unique, and distinguishes him from everyone else.
@@divinearia1601 in short nathan's skating skills suck but i will speak well of it because vibes
@@treelo11...well, I think your opinion sucks...but it's just your opinion so it's okay.
Sorry, guys, but I love Nathan's programs....his music choices...how youthful and modern his programs can be. I find him to be so refreshing with his versatility, his confidence, and his swagger. He brings an entirely different aspect to the sport aesthetically with how cool he is, and I can appreciate that. There will be plenty of skaters to come who will all just skate to the same kind of music, wear the same style of costumes, and fit into that "traditional figure skater" mold...but Nathan is non-traditional and unconventional, both in style and in his music choices. That's what makes him so memorable to me(outside of his greatness and all his amazing achievements, of course).
Totally agree! Nathan is like a breath of fresh air in figure skating.
You sound myopic. There are plenty of men's skaters like Adam Siao, Dennis V, Mark Kondratiuk whose programs also don't fit in that traditional mould and yet still manage to be more entertaining and well-dressed.
I loved Nathan Chen’s music and found it very memorable, so I have to disagree with your friend with those comments, but I enjoy listening to former competitors.
I love Nathan‘s music, too! So modern and full of energy!
Kagiyama's jumps are insanely good.
Except his techniques are a bit questionable. I haven't looked at all his different jumps in great detail but he definitely has excessive pre-rotations to the ones that I have seen, as well as just questionable edges to certain jumps like the lutz. That aside, much like Nathan, he does seem to be quite consistent in landing his jumps...and that's impressive.
Someone commented that Shoma's short program wasn't clean and he got over scored.
His hand touched the ice after his first jump (i think) and one of his jumps was underrotated.
I saw a hand but the under rotation, not sure.
Some russian fs fans are toxic AF, so male skaters are mentally broken after not meeting the expectations. People are waiting for the next Yagudin or Pluschenko, so the boys get crushed by everyone's high requirements and the previous legacy. They like to stay on social media, they read the comments, read the articles.
During training they show one thing but in the competitions they overthink and self sabotage.
Yaaaaaaaaaas I’m so happy we did this! Lol
Same!!
I don’t know if it was an excuse because Yuzu did go back and check it after his program and three fingers fit in. He went to cover the rut afterwards and helped the volunteers fill any other holes.
For the time he was in the podium booth or however you call it, you can see him icing a huge bump on his ankle so I think he injured it again before or during the events.
As for the jumps he chose, for me, it seemed obvious he didn’t have his mind on gold but on that axel so I think he optimized his program for minimum making podium but mostly geared towards landing 4a. He has said in interviews that after double olympic gold that his only motivations were landing 4a so I think that’s another reason why he’s been pushing his ankle and being loose on optimizing programs for his podium standing this olys.
Thanks for you and your friends reaction(?)/talk(?)😅😂👍🏼
Yeah he said he sprained his ankle and was going to call it off it it weren't the Olympics. He got a (cortizone?) shot in his ankle right before the free and that's how he skated.
ahh my whole heart! loved this discussion :))
I really love Shoma and Yuzuru's programs. Yuzuru injured his ankle again during practice before the free so that's probably why he fell on the 4S.
Shoma, has become more artistic. The way he skate now is like he feels the music.
I listened to commentator on Nathan Chen Quads, ( Kurt BROWNING) He feels when Nathan does his quads it feel nature like when someone do their triple. I noticed when he does his triple they look so so easy for him. Except for triple axel HE NOT A BIG FAN !! I hope you keep posting more videos. Enjoy your views. I don’t always agreed with everything you said but there no IN harm listening and learning from other people. 👍
Life is so unfair😂🤣😅 not only does Nathan got great talent, He is a good looking guy. I only seen him in interviews, He seem like nice and humble person.
Hell YEAH age need to be raise!! 17 or older!! If you competing in adult game you need be considered an adult.
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You are so cute Eric! Such a queen, I love it. Hope you post more videos.
Agree. Nathan is definitely a good skater but his outfits really prevent me from watching his performance😂
Thanks for bringing up the thing about the hole that allegedly stopped Hanyu from performing the 4S. Exactly what I've been thinking, if it was so bad, why didn't he go to the referee and ask for them to fix it? For himself AND the other skaters? Weird. Also unpopular Hanyu opinion: am I the only one who notices his flexed feet? I cannot get past that. It makes him look awkward rather than graceful in my eyes. Yes, he has beautiful deep edges and knee work, but those feet man. Also I think he is overtrained and his body is giving up on him little by little. I mean he really only landed one type of quad at these Olympics (4T). I think it's time for him to take a break.
On a happier note, Nathan's FS was such an Olympic moment! I loved how he already celebrated his win around halfway mark of the program. So much joy and confidence. It was the happiest I have ever seen him on ice, such a pleasure to watch. Also I will be the defender of Nathan's outfits, I don't think they're anywhere near as bad as people make them to be. The galaxy shirt looked good on the ice and highlighted his overall coolness. Would've been better in purple/pinkish colors, but overall he looked good. And yes, he is hot LOL
Maybe Nathan should have worn the fiery supernova shirt instead of this one because that would have been perfect for how hot he is ;)
Anyway, agreed that his shirts for his Rocketman program are nowhere near as bad as people are making them sound. They just look like fun, casual, athletic shirts...which is perfectly valid for a fun and energetic program that was meant to show off his athleticism. There's nothing particularly "ugly" about them, IMO.
@@divinearia1601 Right? I mean, are people really expecting him to wear a bedazzled costume with a shitload of sequins when he's jamming to hip hop? Wouldn't that look ridiculous?
Can I ask what you mean with Yuzuru's flexed feet? I used to do ballet and am pretty new to the skating world so I'm not sure what you mean by that and why it's bad. The two options that came to my mind were either that you think he's pointing/not pointing his toes too much, or that he's winging his feet too much.
(winging one's foot means to point it outwards by pulling on the muscles on the outer edge of your foot. basically making it look less like a banana. or maybe a better way to phrase it would be if he's extending his leg backwards, if he wings his foot his toes would be higher than his heel. i hope i didn't do too horrible of a job explaining the concept of winging feet if you didn't know what it was. it would also be hilarious if you were already familiar with the concept and i just ended up embarrassing myself.)
@@scarletbailey6086 I was actually familiar with the banana foot concept, not the opposite of it, so thanks for explaining lol but no, I meant that he doesn't point his toes. Except in skating pointing your toes really means pointing your feet because the toes are inside a skating boot. It's not necessarily a thing on the scoresheet in fs but it is preferred, as is turnout. I've noticed that Ilia Malinin has the same problem, but he's only 17, so maybe he'll improve on that in the future. On the other hand, Nathan Chen is a great example of a singles skater who points his toes/feet beautifully, but if you really want to see the mastery of it, I recommend ice dancing, especially Madison Hubbell. I could stare at that girl's feet all day long lol
@@Unfiltered494 Thanks for replying!
I didn’t even know you *could* point your feet inside of a skating boot. I just assumed that the boots were too solid for that so that was nice to know.
It’s never bothered me before because I hate banana feet more than flexed feet but I’ll try to look more closely to see how I feel about it.
I have empathy for Hanyu, but I think a lot of things he has said have been quite questionable. The rut thing (as you discussed), but also his claims that he was super injured (but then skated in the gala?). It's just weird on his part.
(And I love him, but I still see it)
Other angles of his 4S in the short clearly show his blade didn't take off, plus it wasn't a normal pop. Doesn't excuse any bad behavior on part of his fans, but he was asked by the media to explain why he popped and he did, ruts in the ice happen and there were pictures of it. I'm certain the 4S fall after his 4A in the FS was because he just fell on the jump that injured him in practice between the SP and FP, and he didn't give any excuse for his 4S error in the long. He was also clearly injured, icing his ankle which had been shown on TV to be swollen like a balloon in the green room waiting for the free skate event to finish. He skated in the gala against doctor's orders because this might be his last Olympics, I don't see how it's weird for him to want to perform one last time, even if he had to take pain killers for it. It's also not the first time he's skated injured.
@@ss-wv4xv I stand by what I said.