The Problem With Female Stand-Up Comedy
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i feel like every woman i know irl is funnier than most female comedians i’ve heard of
Yes, that's how I feel. Women can be funny, but for some reason it doesn't translate to the standup comedy scene. It's very perplexing.
I think women are great gossipers so they point you in the direction of a good joke or re-tell it....but it's rare for a female to make your stomach hurt off a original joke...Men do it all the time
Damn this is a lot of sexism did y’all miss the opening segment of this video
my comment was just about how weird it is that the female comedy industry has like no actually funny people when so many women are funny, but the replies are talking about women being “objectively unfunny” or some shit now??💀
@@Kiwanuu vincent kak on something icl 😭, he said its objectively true and then stated his own experiences with women
lilly singh: Im not just a bisexual woman of color
also lilly singh: *only tells jokes about being a bisexual woman of color*
There's a shit-TON of people who are bisexual women of colo(u)r and they don't make that their entire personality, like ms. singh, it ain't that hard-
@@tvisha.mishra But if she didn't tell those joke her fellow bisexual women of color would feel under-represented. You can't win.
oh i didnt actually know she was bi! it makes sense though, that’s kinda dope
@@tvisha.mishra fuck off there is no u in color how dare you
@@SamanthaLain that was for ppl reading that aren't from US brO lol
I don't understand why they chose Lily Singh to be a late night host. She's literally a children's entertainer. She makes jokes for kids and her subscribers subscribed while going through puberty. Her comedy is just about how parents suck and embarrassing yourself in front of your school crush.
Did they like not look into her at all? I just don't understand. Like it makes sense why she'd accept. It's a win for her no matter what but for them?
@Wynn Wynn then who’s supposed to make content only for kids?
Kind of answered your own question lol
Lily Sighn was doomed because of the schedule she was given for her show. I watched her vlogs and she looked so burnt out due to the crazy schedule. In spite of that she kept a smile and went through it bravely. She even admitted in a vlog when reflecting on season 1 the things that didn’t work. Season 2 felt like the right format and suited her better. It was really poor negotiation and over cautiousness that lead to the shows downfall.
Yeah this video just picks the worst. Sarah millican has been an icon of comedy in the UK for ages. Going to see her in a couple months. Ali Wong and Taylor tomlinson are brilliant. There are plenty out there.
i'm pretty sure they were literally just going "we need more diversity and lilly is already famous" because she does not have the skills to be a late night host
Lilly SIngh's opening monologue was giving corporate manager "I'm the funny one" energy
Not the jim brewer jumpscare at the end ☠
kinda like chandler from friends.
So Lilly gets upset the media keeps referring to her as a bisexual woman of color, but then she consistently talks about being a bisexual woman of color on her own show
💀 her logic is so backwards
@@iLikeCok getting upset at the media is about creating more publicity (story about her being annoyed is the second publicity peice after the original media story. buy one get one free), shes not really upset shes just creating media dialogue to make it into more of a story for free advertsing. loads of people do this
To be fair, she probably doesn't write her jokes
I think it's more of a, "I'm more than that," Type of thing. Not saying I agree w her just what the logic seemed to be there.
What's a bisexual woman?
if chad chad had a netflix special, the world would be changed for the better tbh lol
Gabi bell and Chad Chad fans unite!
I'm really bad about rewatching things I just can't do it without it feeling off, but youtubers like Gabby and Chad Chad I can rewatch and laugh at and not feel weird about! The only full fledged comedian I can do that with is Randy Feltface 😔😔 All in all Netflix should find better rewatchable comedians (I'm exhausted so this comment might be all over the place I apologize)
@@Sadie-rai psychopath
yes.
Haha
I really enjoy Taylor Tomlinson because all of her bits aren’t just “the joke is I’m a female comedian”. She has plenty of jokes that appeal to shared experiences women have but it’s not used as a crutch
I also love her delivery of jokes. Especially those about mental problems. When I found out I was bipolar, her jokes about it just hit different
Iliza (schlisinger?) is also hilarious
Was gonna comment about it, I love her! Adrienne Fish and Fortune Feimster has some clips I’ve seen too stuff too!
omg yes i love her
Fern Brady is my current favorite
Ali Wong is literally basketballing with pregnancy for more than half of her stand-up specials, and she never once made me cringe at being a woman, or any Asian bits. She's also a surprisingly good actress.
What is the difference between her and Amy Schumer? Legit question.
@@sorinelknicks5398 delivery
Meh I she's not my cup of tea but at least she doesn't rely on hack
@@sorinelknicks5398 Ali Wong tells stories with situanional humor and punchlines. The occasional gross aspects add texture
Beef is the best comedy show to come out in a very long time. Ali handles the dramatic bits just as well as she does the comedic ones. And Steven Yuen is actually a shockingly good comedic actor.
I would love to hear exactly *how* being a bisexual woman of colour impacts Lilly’s perspective…instead of just hearing she’s a bisexual woman of colour over and over.
this!!
right??? you can tell so many stories with so many experiences!! easy ways to make comedy out of ridiculous things people have said/done to you etc
But how is anyone supposed to figure out that she's a bisexual woman of color if they don't mention it constantly? After all, audience members are drooling imbeciles with the mental capacity of a cockroach and an attention span of about 10.734629185 seconds!
@@kuunami "every identity I don't like is identity politics to me"
It appears to have made her fairly racist, but beyond that we haven’t learned much about her experience
Someone phrased it perfectly for me saying that the studios just transferred toxic masculinity onto most female leads and called it "feminism", leaving all the interesting, vulnerable, and emotional parts for the men.
Sooo... toxic femininity?
@@jjdelft3216 Kinda? I think toxic femininity is what Regina George does.
Yep
That's exactly how I feel about Captain Marvel tbh. Like, "tough" and "determined" cannot be a character's ONLY personality traits! People prefer the male characters because they're often fully developed, as opposed to just being 'strong.'
@@isfpoisson First, the character itself, is dumb. Similarly to Superman, the character just does too much and for that reason, it’s boring. - it’s like playing a video game with all the cheat codes on.
It could also have something to do with the fact that the character is also played by someone with an incredible lack of personality that anyone would be interested in - essentially the character she plays (just without the powers - so even less interesting). The one shining spot that stands out is her arrogance and it’s not done in a fun/humorous way - most of her co-stars have shown they don’t even like her. That’s not a “we’re against women thing either. They do great with other women, just very evidently don’t enjoy working w her.
amy schumer: "hey guys, so um...sex?"
**roaring applause**
"...poop and pee and stuff?"
**crowd goes wild**
This reads like the ironic summaries of Big Bang Theory 10 - 15 years back
20 years ago, she was legit funny.
Sarah Silverman (possibly in blackface) opening a gig: "*awkward pause*...
... ... ... *..."My vagina."*
"AND THE CROWD GOES WILD!
Oh, don't worry, she has a joker up her sleeve, "we're all wondering why it couldn't have been Steve-O".
**crowd goes silent**
Amy Schumer is one of those people where she’s terrible with her “own” material, but when written for/ edited, she’s great. I hate her, but she was hilarious in Unfrosted
My favorite nonwhiteman comedian is Josh Johnson. I fell in love when he talked about being a nerd catfishing the KKK on Craigslist as a kid and I never fell out, he's still HILARIOUS.
I saw him live last year and it was incredible!
I was like who, but ah yeah the guy who catfished the kkk, that was an insanely great story. He needs to make more content 😁 I will learn his name if I see hem more!
He uploads weekly on TH-cam@@OrlyVlogt
@@OrlyVlogt You're in for a treat, he has a ton of content on TH-cam just search for his name and you'll find his channel.
what special is this? it sounds hilarious!
Lilly Singh literally tokenized herself lmao. In her meetings with NBC she probably literally said "look how many boxes ill check off for yall"
I like how people act like it's their fault... On one hand your career goes nowhere but you're respectable and funny to all 7 of your regulars.
On the other, a million dollars but you have to use jokes approved by David the Bigot.
Everyone pretends they're the first kind until they're $40,000 into a shopping spree and realize they just blew their retirement.
@@RobinTheBot But this makes no sense, if her comedy was bigot she would have gotten canceled, not praised.
@@RobinTheBot she’s already made a ton of money with her TH-cam, book, tours, etc. so I don’t think she was doing this bc she was blowing money and needed more.
@@RobinTheBotshe had a pretty successful and huge TH-cam channel before she got into comedy tho it wasn’t her and her 7 followers it was her and her massive following that she had for nearly a decade before she even turned to regular television.She was already earning her tonnes of revenue before she even rlly turned to comedy television.
@@atbvip
…so what was it then?
Taylor Tomlinson is a great example of an actually funny woman comedian. She makes lots of jokes abt being a woman, she makes vulgar jokes, she jokes abt growing up Catholic, but she has a delivery that really showcases her personality. It’s not a copy paste of other comedians, it’s not taking what male comedians do but girlbossing it. It’s just her
Edit: just got to the part where you mention her
Delivery and timing and things like that are a HUGE factor. Im 100% sure there are women who can make pretty much the same jokes aa Amy but do it in a way thats hilarious.... not trying to hate on her or something its just: stand up comedy is definitely not for everyone.
@@idhunepijl1404 Yeah, like that first joke that made Gabi laugh is actually kinda good in terms of its content, but oh my god, Amy’s delivery is just horrible and devoid of personality
Yes! Taylor is just a great joke writer. Another great comic who also happens to be female is Rosebud Baker. I'm just starting to watch this so I'm not sure if anyone else gets mentioned lol
Taylor has amazing timing but also just has non vulgar relatabable comedy with mental health issues but just explains it in a great way.
@@idhunepijl1404 There are women who can make the same jokes funny. Just look at the original comedians whom Amy stole or inspired from.
Her delivery and timing is the biggest problems but her attitude towards criticisms and crying 'oppression' and misogyny everytime people don't kiss her arse don't help either.
I always point to Kim Possible when people ask for examples of “girl power” that aren’t forced. She isn’t written as a man so she can be capable and powerful, she’s written as a girl who is capable. She’s pretty stereotypically feminine but has all sorts of hobbies and proficiencies. She loves shopping and sales and cheerleading and boys and has a plushie collection that she’s embarrassed of. She also loves crime-fighting and martial arts and gadgets and combat and problem-solving and extreme sports. She can be catty with Bonnie and girly with Monique and pal around with Ron. None of it is painted as “yuck, girls” or is NLOG-coded. There was another badass woman in Shego, also feminine without being one-note with long hair and nails and violence and anger and destruction and smarminess and allowing Draken to do all the planning because she’s bored with all that. The fact that Ron seemed so useless and unnecessary but was always invited along because he did end up being helpful while Kim was always capable was a really big change, but he was so goofy and weird and unapologetically himself that no one was upset with his character.
Everyone I knew, regardless of gender, loved Kim Possible, because she wasn’t written to fill a quota. She was a super spy that happened to be a girl, and we all loved that.
Definitely some truth, and it's why I feel like there's this unnecessary knee-jerk reaction against people who criticize lazily written female characters, but then there is also an unnecessary knee-jerk against female leads because there have been so many poorly written ones, and it feels like we all need to converge and meet on the "let's make actually good female main characters" line I think we all actually support.
@@BeefIngotthey're haven't been right
Also Buffy the vampire slayer!!!
A girl being capable seems cool, even cooler if she's called kim POSSIBLE jdasjdjajsdjadajdjasd
Power puff girls should be another example
I flew in all the way from LA and boy are my arms tired.
Classic!
Honestly I think you touched on the main reason why female comedy is seen as so much weaker, variety. Not just in jokes or comedic style but even the amount of female comedians. There's a lot of male comedians, so many that bad ones can easily be overshadowed and forgotten. But the female sphere is smaller, bad comedians stand out more and the whole sphere is sadly dominated by Amy Schumer types that make headlines.
And the bad female comedians still get a platform as the big money sees it as woke activism instead of looking for the hilarious female comedians which there are many it’s just they aren’t as main stream and well known
The females sphere promote their worst.
@@hamoiq908 "the big money" really?
@@Nana-wi4gi Netflix
When I clicked this video, I was thinking that. I can definitely name some terrible specials by men but also so many that are better. One day the ratio will be better on the women's end.
I have seen some breakdowns of Amy and some have said that her comedy is bad because it has not evolved. She started with raunchy and crude humor when she was on Last Comic Standing. And as she continued in the comedy scene, her comedy remained nearly the same. It's not easy to evolve as a comedian/entertainer but I think it becomes their staying power. Like, as they grow as a person their comedy changes.
A few hacks like Jeff Foxworthy got a lot of money and attention based on running the same joke over and over again, but even they usually fizzle out. Longstanding comedy changes with the times. You eventually have to sit down and write some new material.
bo burnham is a great example of a comedian whose comedy has stayed funny and relatable for years without being the same joke over and over. Inside was so so good, especially because he was making fun of his older stuff. he changed up his jokes while keeping his sense of humor intact, which can be hard to do
so you’re saying that amy schumer didn’t grow as a person? i mean… can’t argue with that
It's hard to evolve as a comedian when your humor is stolen from actually funny people.
I think the biggest issue I see with her on every criticism she gets is that she copies verbatim from other comedians. Now I don't think there's anything wrong with a small "yoink and twist", you know occasionally taking a good joke and putting your own twist on it can be okay sometimes. The issue is when you line-for-line copy the entire joke from somebody else and just say it with worse delivery.
You know what I don't understand, Lilly Singh made a point that almost sounded like she was complaining about the media only representing her as a bisexual woman of colour, but then proceeded to make every single one of her one liner jokes about that while somehow also copying the format set out by David Letterman and other straight white male hosts. I can definitely see how this was a massive swing and a miss even though I'm not a bisexual woman of colour
Ya both the first clip that was showed and the announcement music video thing both are saying I’m not just a bi woman of colour and I’m gonna do things different than the white men and then proceeds to make every joke about being a bi woman of colour and do nothing else different than the white male hosts. In other words walked right into the point and still missed it
it seems like her writing team screwed her over with that (if you take her word for it)
Anthony Padilla's video with her talks about it
She did Not. Her complaints were absolutely correct. She still did jokes about it because its part of who she is but she was reduced to that. She had other comedy too. People refused to see that for reasons only you know since you refused to see.
@@MZBS639 This is how she sold herself. If somebody watched this preview and didn't find it funny, they are under zero obligation to watch the show and hope it somehow becomes more to their taste.
In France we have a french comic women name Florence Foresti. She's so funny, we like her and her humour a lot in my country. The most famous sketch she did was about the infamous pink barbie plane
And it still is pure golden comedy :)
Probably one of the funniest French comics ever, she's fantastic.
@@pittedbooger4880 never has a french person been funny
this is why i love comedians like Kurtis Conner, and youtubers like Chad chad, like they're genuinely funny without having to be vulgar or repeat old jokes over and over again
Yes yes
Kurtis is my favorite woman comedian
I don't think they qualify as comedians strictly.
@@bendover7841 not as Stand Up comedians for sure, but as comedians they might
@@Keijspermeister Kurtis has his own stand up show… I think he does classify
The brown M&M joke failed cuz she effectively explained the joke with those next couple lines
I also think pausing between each name for the audience to applaud killed the momentum that might have made it work
I'm thinking about how that joke was presented and then how a similar joke would have been presented by, I dunno, like, John Oliver or someone. Would have fucking crushed it.
It doesn't work because when your only joke is "brown women" the 100th joke about brown women isn't funny. The reason why a joke about black people works for Donald Glover or Eddie Murphy works is because they have OTHER things to talk about
“Girl power” is a phrase we need to leave in the past honestly. It just never sits right with me.
I love that you brought up Mulan, because I completely agree. The animated version never felt like they were trying to force feminism down our throats. It was just a movie telling a story. Whereas your other example, Captain Marvel, and even the live action Mulan, they aren't just telling a story, they're trying to prove something to us. It is hard to fully explain the difference though, but there absolutely is one.
@honey b Well, obviously. It’s the easiest way to represent all women in the laziest way possible. Gives writers a break from actually having to do their job.
Haven't seen the live action Mulan but I do agree about the animated Mulan. Because in the animated Mulan, she fought in the war so that her old father wouldn't. She just fought for her country and went back home.
You just did 💜🤘
THIS
Sigh* we've gone backwards.
You hit the nail on the head. The relentless focus of being a woman, a minority, and sex are the majority of clips I see from women. My favorite comedians are 50% comedians and 50% philosophers - they study the human condition and make funny but smart observations.
This, and people who use comedy to educate and shed light on other aspects of the human condition, like politics, disabilities, human rights, or social events or movements. Not in a click-bait way or riding off of what’s trending, but to actually comment and expose aspects of modern day that we otherwise don’t get a chance to really look at.
If I don’t make sense, it’s because I’m sleep-deprived and I’m sorry 😂😢
Have you seen Jacqueline Novak's Get on your knees? It's a 90 minute one-woman-show mostly deconstructing blowjobs, but it's very intelligent, fast-paced and funny. In my opinion it has it's flaws certainly, but definitely worth checking out.
absolutely ❤@@mariecarie1
All while screeching inaudibly *STOP MAKING IT ALL ABOUT MY SEX LIFE/RACE/WOMANHOOD DAMMIT*
Schumer’s not funny, full stop. She is the epitome of a nepo baby- she got several hands up because of who she’s related to.
Singh is just a perpetual victim. She wants things because she thinks she’s worked for them and deserves them.
Margaret is moderately funny- she’s not bad but she’s no one I’d go out of my way to watch if a new special drops.
Whitney has one of the most unironically hilarious podcast moments- talking to Howie Mandel, she throws herself the biggest pity party and is ONLY a thing because Rogan loves her and insists on hyping her. God help us when she’s with Burt Kreischer.
Gadsby is just so cringe. There’s not a thing about her that doesn’t give me secondhand embarrassment and cringe every single time she remotely tries to be funny.
There’s very few women I find hilarious- my favorite is Kathleen Madigan. Absolutely hilarious and never not funny. But you better be hilarious if you expect me to listen/watch. Dave Chappelle, Ricky Gervais, Eddie Murphy, Kathleen Madigan, Louis CK, and Matteo Lane.
@@mariecarie1It's the social equivalent of dark humor. Seeing the fallacies and everyday struggles of being a human, and then being able to laugh at it. Being able to acknowledge things while still making people laugh is an art. Emergencies responders have some of the best humor and it's a coping mechanism. I personally suspect that like other forms of art, comedians cope with life by laughing at it and helping others do the same
ive complained about this recently about gay films and films about disabilities, where people in them dont just HAPPEN to be queer or have a disability, but that the whole film is CENTERED on that and it makes it too forced
Yeah this is the prevailing issue, and I think it's that way because the industry is still focused on trying to let people know they're being inclusive, so they end up forcing their minority cast way too hard. It's the same with movies about women who don't fit into conventional beauty standards, with Tammy being like the only movie about a plus sized woman that doesn't constantly mention it I can think of.
It’s gotta be done right, when it’s just about identity then poorly written. I also feel like that if a a character is written and they do just happen to be, for example, gay then people still hate on it for being about identity because it’s a different experience. A gay person will have other experiences so it’s not never gonna come up. I feel a lot of it comes from bigotry but I’m the flip side so many attempts of inclusion are so poor because companies don’t care they’re just want that dollar dollar
This. But this isn’t just queer or disabilites, but also sex, race or so many other factors.
Never force a character to be something, let them be what makes sense.
I do agree. I think it's definitely OK to have some films centered around common difficulties of being queer, disabled, or just generally marginalized, and being able to overcome. 1 to give hope to people like the main character, and 2 to share the difficulties that are faced with people that don't face them.
That being said, I think it's equally, if not more important, to have diversity presented and not necessarily even mentioned. Idk why but the first example that came to mind is Nigel in The Devil Wears Prada. I can't remember if he is expressly said to be queer, but it's atleast implied. He is a major character, but really the only scene that loosely touches on his queerness is when he lectures Andy on the power fashion has and he shares his experiences growing up hiding fashion magazines.
As some with multiple disorders and a minor disability I always say "there's a difference between using your disorder and an excuse vs an explanation". I think the underlying theme cam be used here, there's a different between and disabled character and a character who happens to be disabled. One has the main focus on the disability while the other the disability is just a character triat. Same for LGBT+ and BIPOC representation at times.
literally thought the amy schumer clips were being played back at a slower speed. is that legit the pacing she speaks with in her comedy? god
Personally I love Taylor Tomlinson. Her delivery is always on point and her body language and expressions are killer
Omg right?? She's greatly talented and definitely my favorite
same!!!!!
I feel like she's one of the only women in comedy that even misogynistic men tend to agree is really talented and funny. She's just good at what she does imo
The way she described how guys feel love was the most relatable shit. Like when she says I want to lick her heart, goddamn that's what I felt.
Shes a real stand up. You can hear, see and feel the experience behind her material.
Lots of female stand up is just “clap humour”. They call out things that do need to be called out, but people go to comedy shows to laugh, not to think.
I was listening to a podcast with Bo Burnham way back where he talks about how the stand up community is difficult for certain female comics and doesn’t reward certain types of comedy, it reduces the types of styles female comedians that get popular. There are some great American women comics whose style is more unusual but they are still sort of niche.
I really like Maria Bamford, and I think she's the exception to the rule when it comes to her style of comedy.
What was the podcast called
Like Tig Notaro and Maria Bamford. Even Chelsea Peretti.
The first two are utterly incredible stand ups
@@cablehogue599 It was in an interview from years ago, I think his interview with Pete Holmes? His "You Made It Weird" podcast.
@@SMATF5 I love her and I believe he specifically mentioned how much he loved her as well! An exception that proved the rule.
is this how i realize that the itchiness i get inside my mouth from eating fruit and vegetables is a condition and not a silly little trait of mine
Yea dawg I'm pretty sure that's not supposed to happen
Mine is only towards some fruit and my gums itch so when I tell people there's certain fruit I can't eat they don't believe me
me
...you thought an allergy to fruits and vegetables was a personality trait?
No fr I thought that’s just how kiwis work
25:43 I hate this joke. We know chai means tea. When you go to a cafe, they have a plethora of options, including multiple teas, so you specify “chai tea” rather than “green tea” or “black tea”. You don’t walk up to a cafe and say “can I have a cup of green/black/white, please?”.
I wow I always thought chai was like that cinnamony tasting tea. I didn't know it was just tea tea 😂
But chai tea does mean "tea tea", what people think about when they say chai tea is masala tea I think.
@@marziomasini0 no, chai is specifically made with a CTC process, while normal/British/American teas are made with loose or ground leaves. The preparation is different and therefore distinct. You wouldn’t call butter chicken the same thing as tikka masala despite being similarly prepared.
@@chrisperry4014 ctc teas are extremely popular in america and britain, even if the dregs of the processing end up in the cheap teabags people spend too much on. assam is a black tea processed via ctc, but assam isn't *chai* as americans think of it. marziomasini is right - when people say "chai tea" they're not only saying "tea tea" when translated, they're thinking of masala chai because that's what 'chai' means to americans
It's literally a distinct name and you can say "chai" without confusing it for other teas? Imagine being this mad, whitey
Kaitlin Olson is an example of a world class comedic actress who does gross out and sexual humor excellently. She elevates It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia so much as the show goes on, and her humor has me rolling constantly.
She is such a hilarious woman, I’m so glad she made it onto ASIP because the show wouldn’t be the same without her. The Mick is also pretty great.
She also has the best fake gagging sound in the business, no one can almost throw up on camera as good as she can.
She's awesome in the podcast aswell! Amazing episodes!
@@The_Fat_Turtle Love the episode where she has Charlie “walk in her shoes” for a day and has him do a stand up routine 😂
But there's a difference between acting a script written for you, and being a stand-up comedian. I do love her though and will always love Sunny.
I think it’s unfair to blame Amy Schumer for ruining women’s comedy. I don’t like Amy Schumer, I don’t think she’s funny. But male comedians can be unfunny and just be ‘bad comedians’. Amy Schumer is unfunny and she’s ‘letting down women everywhere’. It’s unfair to place this burden on her just because she’s a woman. Instead we should look at and blame the system that made her the figurehead of female comedy
Yes to this!!!
There is jimmy kimmel...
Very true. Also, Amy Shummer used to be hilarious. Not every comedian has the longevity that all the GOATS have. It’s very rare infact.
THISS
Steven Crowder identifies as a comedian.
Let that sink in for a while
to me, good comedy gets the entire audience to relate to the comic’s situation, not just the people who have shared those experiences. i hate to say it but john mulaney does this really well. none of us have ever gotten a hand up the ass from a doctor in batman scrubs but boy do we sure feel like we’ve taken that journey with him when he tells the story
John Mulan is up there with Kevin hart Dave Chapelle and Gabriel Iglesias for me cause they do that very well too
Tom Segura is another that just has an inane talent for placing the audience in his shoes and experiencing whatever he's talking about.
@@superfish60 *old* Dave Chappell*
@@Snake369 he’s transphobic as hell nowadays though lmao
@@Ghost_Token tomato, tomahto. if that were really so awful, there'd be a legitimate basis for it. alas, it makes zero sense when you try to justify any of it. :(
Main reason for hating Amy is because of that time she tried to make a joke about some guys friend who committed suicide and basically said “we wish it was you instead” that was awful. I don’t know how she was in commercials or made shows after that especially after being exposed for stealing so many jokes.
Or that time she talked about sleeping with a dude who was so drunk he was slipping in and out of consciousness while she was sober
What doesn’t help is Amys utter lack of charisma and enthusiasm when delivering her punch lines
I feel like she doesn’t guide the audience enough and her timing makes no sense
nah fr 😭 plus she always sounds drunk which j makes it awkward
Thinking about the over-reliance on vulgarity, I wonder if it has to do with women being told they can't do that. When guys make like 283294 sex/masturbation jokes a day, most of the time, people just laugh and find it funny, but a lot of the times, if a woman jokes about that kind of stuff, people get mad at her for being inappropriate or "gross." So while I don't find it funny, I wonder if they just feel so belittled that they feel like they have to overcompensate for how many times people have told them to shut up and not talk about those kinds of things. Not like, an excuse for not being a successful comedian, but a reason that could make sense to me.
Edit: Lmao y'all I did not say "everyone always finds it more offensive when a woman makes raunchy jokes than a man with no exceptions," I said that generally, it tends to happen that way. I'm nonbinary, but I was raised as a girl, and this was the experience I had when I made those jokes myself vs. when my guy friends did.
I think thats part of it. It can feel liberating and be used to provoke (quite a big part of stand up) but overusing it takes away the value of it and just makes it boring. If you look at most popular male comedians they talk a lot about situations or just funny thoughts they have... if they were just talking about hairy balls or how much they fuck people would be bored pretty quick as well. (Unless they somehow make it hilarious in an original way everytime which I think is literally impossible)
Cope
Shit. I replied in the wrong place.
I think it's a valid question. In the past several years I would say the answer to this is no. Women aren't told to not do these things by "society". Women are more equal and have more opportunities than any point in history. I just don't think this is a valid argument anymore. If it were the early 2000s or 90s I would agree. And even if you look at female comedians back then, they just weren't this vulgar.
I personally feel like when it comes to female comedians like Schumer they just have a chip on their shoulder and want to compete with men and prove they're better. This is the same woman that complained that Netflix was sexist for giving her 11 million and paying Chapelle and Rock more as if her name should be uttered in the same sentence as them.
that’s not how comedy works. if somethings funny it’ll make you laugh, no matter who produced the funny moment
I think a difference in male and female comedy is, i feel like when male comidians talk about male subjects many times its like "hey women look how weird, funny, gross we are" with participation of women aswell, it feels more inclusive, when female comidians talk about female things most of the time its just aimed at women and the men are just excluded from the joke.
(2:40) Biggest issue I have with Amy Schumer is that she always sounds like she's not confident, that she can't remember her jokes and tries to come up with them as she speaks. A lot of ums in there.
I feel like she’s always some degree of intoxicated too, which can’t help with memory retention or ease of delivery
i think she's trying to be relatable and casual and failing miserably
She stoled the jokes from many different comedians, look up the "amy Schumer stiling jokes" And you will know also she ask for same pay check as high paid male comedians either wise it's male dominant country
@@Jellybeansatdusk fr she sounds so drunk
Oh God you’re right. Now I can’t unsee it or hear it 😂
I think the big reason it's such a large trend in the industry is that so many stand-up comedians that are women feel pressured to take on the "not like other girls" persona to try to make it in the male-dominated industry. So they embrace things like vulgarity and self-tokenization to make it to the top, because it works, but then it bites them in the ass once they're in a spotlighted position because people see through it immediately. i find this fascinating
I think that comes into play in a different way with Lilly Singh
My thing about Lilly is she relies on the whole “I shouldn’t be here” thing. She does the whole second person: “you’re probably thinking” and no, I’m not thinking that. She underestimates her audience’s empathy and intelligence, as well as over-explaining literally every joke. Like, as a viewer I’m sitting there thinking: I don’t care that you’re an Indian woman, I never said you shouldn’t be here.
But the whole time she’s like “I shouldn’t be here” and it just leaves you feeling like: ok, what are you doing to prove that you should be here. Because all I’ve heard is you talking about how out of place you are, but you haven’t done anything to make it seem like you deserve it. If she keeps saying she doesn’t belong and she doesn’t make funny jokes or provide insightful commentary, I’m going to believe her. Not only is she not that funny, she’s actively holding herself back by priming her audience to think: why am I not watching a different show, why is she hosting rather than whoever or so and so?
She also specifically calls out white people and Middle America, alienating and insulting them but not in a funny way just in a mean way, but who does she think watches late night talk shows? 😂
That's a good point. I am of the mindset that women don't need "personas" to be funny. Sure, personas can be fun if you establish yourself in said persona, but if you lack authenticity and you put on a persona to make up for it, the audience will see right through it.
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Unpopular opinion depending on which generation your from: friends nor the office is funny.
Friends is trash, thanks! The Office, too!
Good i didn't watch either
sorry but the office is objectively funny.
Friends/office wasn’t funny but to lonely people something about the friendships and shenanigans they get up to makes it click.
Cringe comedy isn't funny. The office isn't funny at all, ever.
Amy Schumer doesn't just give women comedians a bad name, she gives comedians, women, humans a bad name.
And also her fellow quadropedal animals.
Unfunny + Terrible personality + Terrible human + Genocide Endorser
I think the most problematic aspect of Amy Schumer’s performances is that she perpetuates the stereotype that beached whales can’t be funny.
She’s also just a bad person
She’s only there because Jewish and Uncle Chuck.
You need your own late night show and Netflix special, seriously. This was such a great video and you're so freaking funny.
The porn from the woman’s perspective joke “is it just the room” actually was funny because the idea of “porn for women” is hard to explain since porn is from the male gaze. Lesbian porn, gay porn, straight porn…very rarely is it filmed with the woman viewer in mind despite us wanting to find porn that we like too. So the joke has a reason and a punchline.
And that’s it. That’s the potential. A good joke in an otherwise awful special.
I mean plenty of women like the porn that’s out there. I think it’s a bit alienating to say “all men like this porn and all women hate it” because it sets up the genders not only as binaries but as monoliths that can’t deviate at all.
@@Chloe-ru2eb they aren’t saying that no women enjoy watching 🌽, they are saying 🌽 is made for the male gaze which stems from the patriarchy
@@avocadochony211 “porn is rarely filmed with the female viewer in mind despite us wanting to find porn that we like too.” so then because it’s not made with the female viewer in mind it means we can’t enjoy it? there are ways to argue against the male gaze that don’t involve lumping all women into one category and effectively separating them from men.
@@Chloe-ru2eb Most porn focuses on the woman’s face and her body and doesn’t show the man’s face and body as much. As a heterosexual woman it’s pretty annoying. I try to skip to the part where I see more of the man but the camera keeps going back to her body and face. If you’re bi you might not mind but most porn is definitely meant to be consumed by men which is quite annoying. Even the ads are 100% geared towards men, which shows that it’s assumed that it’s consumed by men. (This product will give you more inches, women in your area want your dick, cam girls).
@@Chloe-ru2eb women do not always come in p*rn. it doesn’t matter if they enjoy it or fake it for p*rn to be successful. the men ALWAYS do-it is the point of porn. that’s the simplest way to explain to you what the other commenter was saying, fr you have to be purposely misunderstanding cause it’s not complicated
I think there's something interesting about Lilly Singh using her platform to talk about how nobody gives her a platform for the entirety of the runtime of her platform.
sooo cringe
Hahaha it was half of her routine on YT and she didn't know what to do when she got the platform.
I guess that's what happens when you pick writers by color not capability. I'm a minority and I can handle being told I'm not funny cause has nothing to do with my ethnicity.
I completely forgot about her. I see her more as a child entertainer than a real comedian. She started out on YT and mentally never evolved from entertaining kids, preaching to the choir type content.
The oral allergy syndrome drop got me, I had to do a double take. I've had it since I was 17 and only like four people since then have ever mentioned it around me.
I don't know where I heard this but for large media corporations women empowerment = women + toxic masculinity and I agree with it so much. That was one of the main reasons I hated Captian Marvel so much because it's whole thing is 'woman stands up' = strong. It's actually kind of insulting. I recommend Arcane to everyone for this very reason. It does complex female characters right. It does representaion right. It's refreshing to see female representaion that is not single dimensional. Media loves to write these characters whose whole personality is I am a woman.
totally agree with the captain marvel thing. they really went the whole “woah first lady main character superhero and she can beat up everyone cuz shes sooo op! go girlboss” but her character is just flat and didn’t develop throughout the movie.
Arcane did complex female characters representation
Dang couldn't place my sheer hatred towards Captain Marvel, but here it is. She really felt like someone's mary sue oc that gets life handed to her on a freaking plate
I never thought I'd love something LOL related so hard but Arcane is just fucking fantastic. Complex, sympathetic characters with flaws who are still basically good. Complex, sympathetic characters with flaws who can do BAD for reasons they find good. So many good female characters whose femininity isn't some virtue signaling blowhorn. Characters of different races whose color isn't a virtue signal. LGBT characters whose... Well, you get the idea. God, it's so good.
@@pandazzz5282 movie formula these days seems to be
1-Cast recognizable stars
2-Remove any unique plot points writers might have slipped into the script
3-MCs are infallible and therefore lack a character arc, only acceptable change in MC is increased confidence.
4-Design the happy meal toys or other merch.
Amy Schumer crawled so that Taylor Tomlinson could full on the incredible, dash level, sonic level, fast and the furious RUN
It's funny bc the sane people who like her now are the same types who liked amy back in the day and pretend they didn't now
@@jjcoola998 Wait, how do you know that it's the same people? I never liked Amy Schumer's comedy so I just skipped it and then later on people were making a fuss on how bad it was. I loved Taylor Tomlinson from the very beginning of discovering her. Like sure people have different taste but I'm sure MANY men and women alike find Amy's comedy not funny and Tayor's comedy top tier.
Amy Shumer didn’t pave the way for Taylor Tomlinson.
Kathy Griffin, Janeane Garofalo, Ellen, Tina Fey,Amy Poehler , Joan Rivers etc. did.
@@icu3869lmfao ellen? Amy schumer didnt pave the way but ellen did?
So at 1:02 you made a joke about Oral Allergy Syndrome and I briefly caught a few words that changed my life. I knew why I kept getting these weird reactions from fruits. Now I just went deep into this learning.
Thank you for your passing joke!
Dang thats cool
Yeah same!! I always felt bad for not eating certain fruits and that I was overreacting, that the itchiness and nausea was my fault somehow, but it's really refreshing to hear that it's something real!
Same, I don't personally have a lot of allergies but my mom does, she's allergic to many fruits, and pollen, and furry animals. Looking into OAS I found a website that talks about "cross-reacting foods" which puts things into groups and I realized one of them has everything my mom is allergic to (except animals) - birch, apples, plums, pears, almonds, hazelnuts.... all in the same group! This is really interesting!
There's also pfas. Where your body thinks you're actually eating certain pollen. If you have reactions to fruits along with veggies, soy, nuts etc
You may have PFAS. it's awful.
@@KreeZafiIf she really have problems with fruit,tell her to take d.i.z for 5,or 6 days
Two female comedians you definitely should check out are, Tacarra Williams, Daphnique Springs. 2 hilarious comedians that are pure funny.
So my takeaway is that a lot of mainstream female stand ups rely on joking about identities and using over the top vulgarity, obscenity, and general obnoxiousness in order to be picked up by influential companies and streaming services.
In other words, for a woman to make it in comedy, she must be like a teenage boy.
i dont get how gabi as a commentary youtuber has a better sense of humour and improvs better jokes and puns than these literal professionals
Honestly, I like Whitney Cummings.
@@richardarriaga6271 did you see her new special? Yikes
Yea I like Whitney too. Haven’t seen her new specials but her older ones were really funny. I can’t hate her role in a movie when other people are writing that material.
But yea, Gabi was very funny in this vid
Exactly, and there are more women YT that I am subbed to that does way better jokes!
Time to write and edit and do research helps a lot, and plus she is very funny and I like her sense of humor. It's about shedding a light on stupid shit, rather than long diatribes about her womanhood or whatever.
8:00 chat, do we think she's korean?
The funny thing about Amy is that she's a kleptomaniac and that's why she has unoriginal jokes a lot. She talked once on a podcast about how she loves the thrill of shoplifting and how it's a huge high for her
nothing more upsetting than listening to a millionaire talk about how much they love shoplifting on a podcast while poor people get arrested for shoplifting essential items bc they can't afford the cost of living
I thought you meant kleptomaniac for stealing jokes.
@@chernobylcoleslaw6698 same shit, different stolen objects.
another reason not to like her. Shoplifters have a narcissistic, sociopathic nature, they feel entitled to not only do it but be smart enough to get away with it. Deviousness and dishonesty, its textbook narcissist, as well as compulsive lying to make yourself more interesting.
This was good, man.
I also have oral allergy syndrome and I’m glad it’s being talked about even as a punchline because nobody believed me for my whole life
same
She was telling a joke?! 😮 Damn, woman really aren't funny
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 Jesus Christ dude get a life. Humor is a much broader category than your peabrain can handle
@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodl6206 imagine watching this whole video and having the balls to say this. wow.
Same! And people always give me weird looks when I tell them I actually can't eat a fresh apple or my whole oral cavity will swell up. Thermally processed fruit is alright though for some reason...
22:50 I feel like the sketches I did with my classmates during middle school are funnier than this
I’m so glad Taylor Tomlinson is getting the recognition she deserves I’ve been a fan of her since 2018
I hope she does more Netflix specials
I saw her this past year in Michigan and she was amazing!!!
For people who want to skip because of cringe, here is a tip so Gabi still gets watch time:
Mute your device
(This isn’t meant to be mean against anyone. It is just a joke. ❤ but seriously, let Gabi have her watch time 😭)
i love the little smile in the corner it makes it look like amy schumer is on ifunny and that may be the funniest part of her whole career
That’s not the ifunny logo
thanks goldenfiberwheat238, what would we do without you.
While Lilly Singh has never appealed to my style of humor on TH-cam or in general, I really think the writers for her late night show set her up for failure. Her intro automatically targeted a specific demographic of people which immediately turned off a large portion of viewers that she could have had. She’s always been a skit performer/writer instead of a live “host.” Her style of humor is intentionally for a specific audience, which is good for a TV show, not necessarily a late night talk show. While I think it’s important for women in comedy to stand out and showcase their presence in the industry by announcing that “they’re a woman”, I feel like it just emphasizes that we have “not been as funny” until now. There were so many great opening liners they could have given her to make her presence seem natural and intriguing for late night TV. Instead it just felt really forced and uncomfortable. Going for the “I’m a woman in comedy” bit is just overdone, and blindly makes the claim that men do it better when that truly is not the case.
Her entire show is based on the fact that she is a woman of color who is also bisexual and NOT an old straight white dude. Drew Gooden has a great video about her!!
she only had one joke during her whole youtube 2016 phase it got old quick and none of her other ones suck so she’s just unfunny
I mean… Might need citation for saying men don’t overall do it better. Not saying there aren’t also great stand up female comedians, but…. Someone has to do it better. Also her being a skit writer isn’t an excuse, Conan O’ Brien has the same background (used to write for shows like the Chris Rock show, along Louis CK). She’s just not funny, like most Comedians borne of the instagram comic era
US late night producers and programmers loathe women and especially funny women, historically
@@djandjb1 a citation 🧐🙄
16:10 I think that the only person who can pull off this (pride comedy mainly) is Matteo Lane. She just says "I'm bisexual, funny haha", while Matteo Lane actually talks ABOUT being gay and makes delivers the jokes pretty well. Also, he talks about being italian and such too. It talks about his experiences, which as a gay guy myself I think is pretty damn funny imo ^^
Amy Schumer has some great concepts for jokes, I just find her execution is usually the part that falls flat. Often they're delivered weirdly or have way too much build up.
or she for whatever reason "randomly" references her vagina in the middle and ruins it.
And then sometimes she steals jokes and ruins them lmao
@@genopie2673 I honestly think that is not even the problem because I have seen Norm Macdonald do really old jokes and somehow got belly laughs, it is her tone and delivery and lack of creativity in the craft
"Really great concepts for jokes" "Haha i like to get stuffed with dick" yeah... great
I agree. It’s the delivery that is weak. I think she relies on the joke itself so much that she forgets that it only works if you give an actual performance.
Hi, comic here and maybe I can give a little insight. The issues you talked about with comedians pigeon holing themselves into dirty/vulgar humor only is something a lot of us hate within the scene. Most of the best comics I know, barley talk about their balls/vaginas on stage. You know why? Because it's SO played out that many of us are just as, if not more, tired of it. If you can find a more unique and interesting angle on it, or it's part of the set up to a different punchline, great. But just going "My dick looks like this" or "my vagina looks like that" is SO dull. The problem is that a lot of audiences still like that kind of stuff for whatever reason. Probably because they only watch comedy and remember "funny stories" rather than well crafted jokes or cause they want something easy to remember so they can repeat to their friends like it's a street joke.
A lot of us are also sick of identity humor. Hearing other perspectives and life experiences is great but when that's ALL you talk about, then we also find it very tiring. Comedy isn't like music. You can't hear the same thing over and over again and still enjoy it the same way. One of my friends is a trans comic and she has a lot of hilarious trans jokes, but she was smart enough to know that her act can't be focused on what she is rather than who she is so she makes it a point not to do exclusively trans material. You have to mix it up. You can't just be a one note performer
The thing is, these one note comics have always and will always exist. The problem is that they're getting highlighted by the industry for their identity rather than their skill or range. A lot of it is because of executives shining spotlight on comics with "identity personas" so they can check off they're diversity box. It's mostly due to laziness. Frankly speaking, stand up has more men than women so you have to look harder to find the good female comics, and executives are too lazy to do that so they'll give a shot to any female comic who brings extra attention to female issues so she checks that box for them and they can seem progressive when in actuality, they're lazy and could care less about the quality of the product or opening the door for a more talented comic. If you're a minority too, they already have a series for you in mind lmfao and god forbid you criticize any of their cooperate bs if you're a male cause then they just label you as a sexist and an incel when in actuality, we're saying that women deserve better/more talented comedians to represent them.
Regardless of what anyone thinks of Schumer, it's safe to say that most people don't think she should be held up as "one of the best female comics" and it's a shame people use her as a benchmark when there are SO many hilarious women out there. If you're looking for funny female stand ups, I'd recommend Rosebud Baker, Adrienne Iapalucci, Liz Miele, Michelle Wolf, Marina Franklin, Bonnie Macfarlane, Nikki Glaser (her stand up recently hasn't been great but her roasts are hilarious), Dina Hashem, Jessica Kirson, Aida Rodriguez, Lisa Lampanelli, and Ms Pat.
This was very insightful, also some british women comedian suggestions:
Holly Walsh
Sarah Milican
Sara Pascoe
Roisin Conaty
Sindhu Vee
Kerry Goldliman
LOVE ME ROSE BUD!!
& i agree, i saw Nikki’s standup recently & i was saddened bc it wasn’t that great, but YES her roasts are the best 😂
oh i would also like to add to the list, Krystyna Hutchinson & Corrine Fisher !
replying to boost this cuz it’s an interesting perspective. also who’s ur trans comic friend? does she have stuff online?
ADDING TO THE LIST!! aisling bea, hannah gadsby (who is genderqueer, but as far as I know does use she/her pronouns), and gina yashere!!
My old job had a female comedian. She opened for a local event. Her bring down the house final joke was blowing weed in her newborn baby's face. I'm glad I don't work there anymore.
Like, talking about it or actually having her child there at the show to blow smoke at?
Jail.
@@niceguy191pretty sure they mean just like joking about it since comedians are mostly just talk, i mean i hope so anyway
@@messywalk believe it or not, straight to jail.
@@messywalk I just finished ripping a bong and I agree in spirit, but jail would be wrong... *Woodchipper.*
When I was younger I didn’t think women were funny because I just hadn’t really had exposure to any funny women. The rise of the internet has changed that
i think peoples ability to still laugh at “bad female comedians” is kinda just proof that the standards are higher for women. because i could not ever laugh at someone like Jeff Dunham, but i will at least nose exhale when amy makes a joke about female pov porn.
Does that mean you the standards are higher for women orrrrrr do you have other taste? I didnt laugh at all during amys standup but smiled like 1 or 2 times during Jeff Dunham. Does that mean the standards are higher for males, but women get it easier?
That joke was actually kinda funny but it was delivered poorly. I feel like she doesn't play into her jokes, she stands up there and just talks thinking the joke alone will make people laugh.
Exactly. Sometimes it's just because you're a woman.
Not even just talking about comedy. All nooks and crannies of life are filled with people telling others a woman is only there because she's a woman not because she worked to be somewhere.
@@jjdelft3216 Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Amy is funny nor do I think Jeff is, it’s not my taste, but if women comedians talk about women stereotypes and that makes it easier for them since they can do that, Doesn’t that say something? Shouldn’t you want it to not be easy? Because if it wasn’t easy then there wouldn’t be stereotypes and sexism to make fun of and talk about right?
cannot relate at all, jeff has some jokes
For every 10 crappy female comics there's 1 Dane Cook - who is so bad it drags down comedy as a whole.
watching this in 2024 and the “Amy not a bad person” comment aged like milk ahahaha
So did Lily Singh thanking Mindy Kaling
@@kyleguajardoWait what happened with Mindy Kaling?
@@thomicrisler9855
Short Answer: She's arrogant and entitled and spends a lot of time defending her bad behavior through virtue signalling by playing the victim of racism and sexism. She has also admitted openly to sexual assault and then using her position to force people into silence.
For the long version, I'd recommend watching Cynical Reviews' video on her show Velma.
@@kyleguajardowait amy schumer made that shitshow?
Lily Singh has that weird forced fake charisma like an infomercial presenter. I keep waiting for her to bring out the miracle product that's gonna change the way I look at french fries forever.
17:50 The reason why what Lily Singh said about the M&M wasn’t funny when it feels like it should have been was because there was no joke. The punchline was her explaining the premise. If she said something like “and lastly, the brown M&M. What a sweetheart” and left it at that, it would have been a joke. The idea for a joke was there but it was incomplete because the writers/producers/Lily didn’t trust that her audience would understand it.
Yeah some dog whistling will do the trick.
My thing about Lilly is she relies on the whole “I shouldn’t be here” thing. She does the whole second person: “you’re probably thinking” and no, I’m not thinking that. She underestimates her audience’s empathy and intelligence, as well as over-explaining literally every joke. Like, as a viewer I’m sitting there thinking: I don’t care that you’re an Indian woman, I never said you shouldn’t be here.
But the whole time she’s like “I shouldn’t be here” and it just leaves you feeling like: ok, what are you doing to prove that you should be here. Because all I’ve heard is you talking about how out of place you are, but you haven’t done anything to make it seem like you deserve it. If she keeps saying she doesn’t belong and she doesn’t make funny jokes or provide insightful commentary, I’m going to believe her. Not only is she not that funny, she’s actively holding herself back by priming her audience to think: why am I not watching a different show, why is she hosting rather than whoever or so and so?
She also specifically calls out white people and Middle America, alienating and insulting them but not in a funny way just in a mean way, but who does she think watches late night talk shows? 😂
@@Jellybeansatdusk yeah I don’t really like the “you’re must be thinking XYZ” setup to jokes. I’ve seen male comedians do it too and it never turns out funny. Lily was popular on youtube but it was for skits that made people say “thats so true”. Maybe she can find her niche in skits rather than pure standup? I mean, talk shows in general all feel bland and stale for being the same formula for so long.
@@firedye3602 they could put her on SNL lol, that’s where they put people first getting their start and people at the end of their career
"Amy Schumer isn't funny but she's not a bad person"
Regrettably history has shown this wasn't true
I saw Leslie Jones a few years ago in St. Louis. I drove 6 hours for that show, and she did not disappoint. Lol She told some story about seeing Prince at a club back in her college days or something, and it was hilarious!
I love Leslie Jones lol
“I think this could be a funny joke... if said by anyone else” was the first thing that made me laugh in this video.
Half the women you named who were funny aren't stand up comedians and have writers to make jokes for them.
"let's give a round of applause to people like Mindy Kaling"
that one didn't age all that well
‘Hold on hold on hold on. What if I took a massive dump on Scooby Doo but also myself at the same time?’
@@robertgaudet7407she didn't even write the show though, Charlie Grandy did,
@@ar-yj8lbu cannot tell me Mindy didnt write most of Velma's lines
@@Callisto8233 she didn't, she just acted and financed some of it, Grandy's the one to hate, but he went unscathed
what did mindy kaling do?
I've been getting a lot of shorts of Taylor Tomlinson and she is hilarious, a lot of relatable mental health humour, and her delivery is great.
Also, I found YOU through an interesting video title, but I stayed because you made me laugh a lot with the memes, always on point.
As a guy, I liked watching Lily’s TH-cam. Drew Gooden made a great review about her. She’s a talented person but in the wrong field right now.
Mulan and wonder woman did great because it was original stories.
Her show was cancelled so she might go back to TH-cam
Drew explained it really well, as always
Drew gooden 😷 🤢
I really like Taylor Tomlinson and Iliza Shlesinger, they're easily my favorite female comics :3 both of them have made me laugh a ton and Iliza's comedy is really well balanced in that she's very funny but she also delivers very strong messages and gives you some stuff to think about
They are the only 2 women comedians I found funny so far.
I just commented about these two! Iliza makes me laugh non stop and me and my mum always joke about our party goblins lmao
Iliza is pretty fun to watch or listen to on podcasts, but her stand up doesn't really make me laugh.. But then again comedy is subjective, i prefer real dark offensive jokes. I think the best female comedian by far is Joan Rivers. She is brutal!
I saw Illiza live and she was really funny!! Wanna Sykes is really funny as well. I have also seen like random female comedians on instagram that are funny and I’m like “that’s how you do it!”. Tig is also very funny!
Love those two!
Me and my friend were literally just talking about this and he said women can't be stand up comedians cause they just don't get the delivery right and his only examples were amy Schumer and Ellen Degeneres (who I don't even think counts as a comedian tbh) and it's crazy cause this video touched on all the points I tried to make but better.
A lot of these "vulgar" women comedians and the ones you showcase especially, fixate on such a particular aspect of womanhood that I always found INCREDIBLY hard to relate to.
Thats cuz u dont get bunz
I wish people would stop labeling it as bad "insert gender" comedian, and just refer to them as bad comedians. I have watched quite a few comedy specials with my girlfriend and found plenty of guys to be unfunny too. Some comics just aren't that great. And even specifically with Amy, the first time I seen her was her "mostly sex stuff" special, and I actually thought it was funny. Then I seen the Inside Amy one and it was just...alright. Giggled like twice or so, but it was mostly the same as the first one, but worse. Then that awful Netflix one, where I didn't laugh a single time.
The problem with her is that she relies extremely heavily on 1 joke, and I don't care how good that joke is, if you are going to have multiple hour-long specials, you can't just be telling the same joke with slightly different wording over and over again. Another comedian I have listened to a ton is Dane Cook. I had like 5 of his comedies on my Zune (yea, I know nobody knows what that is. Its a thick Ipod lol) and while I admit that I LOVED those specials, 3 of them did have 1 or 2 jokes that were just slightly differently worded versions of other jokes from the other specials, and while I know a 3 minute joke in an hour long special isn't a big deal, my brain always latched onto that. I always thought to myself "oh that's right, its just this joke again" and immediately I found it less funny, and I think that's what happened with Amy. Even people who may have originally liked her, watched her more than once with the jokes just being basically the same, and she stopped being funny. Then her blaming everything on sexism only made it worse.
I used to have a zune. I loved it so much and it lasted so long. It died finally and that was the worst day ever. I miss my zune : /
@@BaStTiLo I feel that. It was a durable little thing as long as you didn't drop it hard enough for its harddrive to fall out of place lol, but still, at like half the price of an ipod with almost 6x the HDD space, I always preferred the Zune to other MP3 players.
I remember zunes. I always thought they were kinda a joke lol never actually met someone who owned one. BTW agree with all your points. Honestly, as GunnerTV pointed out in his newest video, some comics rely on the same set for years. Before social media it was really normal and very possible to do that. Now not so much.
YES, the point you make about "strong female" characters falling flat because they have been given masculine traits is so true. I'm so tired of seeing this Marvel Universe hero written from the male gaze who is sexy, strong, stoic, smart... aka perfect? And this is exactly why Buffy is, in my opinion, the best written heroin of all time. She was vulnerable, ditsy, a BADASS, and overall, a depiction of a real woman with her own personality and flaws. I love the line she says to Kendra (the other vampire slayer who's been taught to be this robotically perfect slayer), "My emotions make me powerful, they're a total asset"
I think you hit the nail on the head. I remember hearing about an interview with a famous man, a writer who wrote very interesting and alive women characters, and they asked him how do they do it? he said: I just think of them as a person not as a woman. I think that sums up what people do wrong making a "woman" or a "man" into an identity. I mean you can do as you please, but I do believe that sex is not a personality.
Aaron Sorkin, IIRC.
“she’s (amy schumer) is not a bad person” i love how that didn’t age well since oct 7, 2023.
I'm sorry, but she still isn't a bad person. Words don't mean anything
@@ussinussinongawd516That's a good stance towards a stand up comedian.
@@ussinussinongawd516shes a zionist
They do when the person saying those words are a public figure ( for those who don’t know , she compared the Palestinians to rapist and pedos and terrorists ( again the innocent civilians not Hamas) and saying they deserve the genocide…)
@@laoukhtdusang7994holy shit
My oral allergy doesn't stop me from eating raw apples, carrots, and onions 🤷♂️
Thank you Juggernautdeath2! Very cool 😎
I know I'm late, but Maria Bamford is an amazing comedian. She doesn't rely on a lot of "im a woman" jokes, they are usually kind of off the wall jokes and involve her doing voices. She also talks about her mental health and issues with it in some of her comedy. All around one of my favorites.
Her impressions are amazing.
Therapy =/= comedy
@@darrengordon-hill Utterly revolutionary.
You, Gabi, are proof enough women can be funny without being vulgar. i laughed my butt off when you started dancing to the video XD and she's not a comedian, but I'm a huge fan of Kristen Bell. She is hilarious in both The Good Place and on many commercials.
Don't overlook Jameela Jamil's work on that show and/or elsewhere! She's an outspoken advocate for body positivity and chronic illness awareness, having experiences with both. Her portrayal of Tahani is utterly legendary stuff.
Commercials are never funny, fascist!
Eh. I’d say Gabi is more likable than funny
@@nixn6412 The two are not mutually exclusive.
Lol why only women tho? Being vulgar can be funny for men or women. And you thinking commercials are funny is gross
no way she showed ricky gervais when she said “not so good comedy”😟
Taylor Tomlinson. One of the best comics (male or female) doing it right now. Super fresh and diverse and smart and well-delivered.
Really? That's one of the best comics? No wonder comedy is dying if this is what people think is funny.
@@SeemsLogical lol no one is making a case for her being a historically great comedian. She's very good compared to other comics doing stand-up TODAY.
She's not Chapelle or Burr, but no one else really is either.
Whitney Cummings screaming at me thru the screen had me ready to launch my phone out the window I feel like she's about to put me in the corner to think about my actions
I once went to an open mic comedy night where anyone could attend. I made some jokes, got some good laughs, but there was one woman who stood out amongst everyone else. Her improv was on point and she killed it when it came to crowd work. I was like 14 at the time, and when I said it, I got fuckin' roasted for it. But it was all in good fun. She was a 40-year-old single mom with a 14 year old and 12 year old boys. I really hope she made it in some way 'cause she was fuckin' hilarious.
instead of taking care of her children she was at a bar?
@@CEWIII9873 They were with their dad.
@@BonnerDoesTH-cam I agree - the father should have custody if the mom frequents seedy bars!
@@CEWIII9873So people with children can't go out and have fun?? And nobody says the father has custody nor that she frequents bars.
Be freal; if it was a dad doing stand up at a bar, you wouldn't bat an eye. Seriously, dude, get a life instead of obsessing over what women who just so happen to have children, do in their spare time. Because, by the way, mothers are still individuals with lives of their own outside of kids.
One thing I will say that's an important aspect of this is that women are not given the chance to fail. Sure, a lot of this "girlboss" type of media and comedy is horrible and unfunny and cringe, but the burden of belonging to any marginalized community is that these bad examples will be used as representatives of the whole. You touched on this a bit at the end of the video but I think it's literally the most important point, not that some women rely too much on their identity for comedy. It's not like anyone denies this (if anything its the default position). This is the first video I've seen from you so I don't know what your style usually is but imo this topic could be explored in a much more indepth way - for example, actually showcasing the good examples of female comedians instead of just listing them and also showing how these people still makes jokes about being a woman as well as addressing the public image of these female comedians and the way they've basically been turned into punching bags for chronically online men.
Honestly really solid points and yeah genuinely going into the perspective of women comedians genuinely enjoyed and understanding the grace of allowing people to start and fail or at very least not be 100% perfect is real important. Everyone can learn and improve. Doesn't have to be so assumed or suppressed
I agree & i was thinking something very similar. i think that people are a lot quicker to criticize minorities than cishet white men, even if the criticism is somewhat deserved
Exactly. The captain Marvel thing too was funny, seeing how a lot of oldies and new movies have stoic and determined men who are just that, who should also be unlikable; but somehow have no video essays about them.
Well said. I especially agree how one popular female-comedian falling into a specific category will seem to define the entire sex- especially in men’s eyes. And the more popular they become the more all female comedians are put into a little box. In spite of the fact that it doesn’t take long to find female comedians that don’t rely on any one thing, it seems Schumer has become the face of female standup which is so frustrating. I could write a list of names that are significantly better and never stole a single joke. But ask a stranger “can you name a female stand up comedian?” And they will probably say Amy because that’s the only one they’ve heard of and it’s always been complaints.
It's certainly true that, if you're seen as "representation" rather than just the latest person doing a thing, there are going to be people itching for you to fail.
you might want to revisit the "I don't think she is a bad person" part
Some of the female comedians I really like are Roisin Conaty, Aisling Bea, Kerry Godliman, Chelsea Peretti to name a few. They’re absolutely brilliant specially during panel shows, but their stand ups are really funny as well
aisling is incredible
8 out of 10 Cats fan spotted
@@MrQuasarPhil Excellent show, I love it
@@colekiker7938 You probably hadn’t heard of them because most of the women I named are famous British and Irish comedians. I recommend them, funny stuff but sadly not that wildly international. I also love Taylor Tomlinson!
@@annesilva3542 Didn't mean to delete my comment so I'll put those people I listed again: Taylor Tomlinson, Nikki Glaser, Yamaneika Saunders, Sam Jay, Barbara Carlyle, Emma Willman. And yeah, I agree. Those people deserve more recognition!
This is all so true. Thank god for dropout for highlighting incredible and diverse female comedians without feeling a need to highlight their femeninity as the basis for their comedy. I wouldn't have known where to go to find gems like Becca Scott, Izzy Roland, Anna Garcia, Lisa Gilroy, Kimia Behpoornia, or the other incredible talents they have on their shows
Yess I love Dropout TV! So many new and infinitely rewatchable gems
im so glad you talked about dropout, its so amazing
I agree. Asian comedians will joke about being Asian, Latinos will joke about being Latino, women will joke about being women. It shouldn’t just be jokes about what they are.
it’s okay to say you hate “this” feminism in media, bc i also hate it as a woman
english language needs a new word for the "fake feminists"
Hmmm yup it’s annoying
I’m not a stand up fan in general but one of my best friends had tickets to see Taylor Tomlinson for her birthday and really wanted someone to go with her, so I went and actually had SUCH a good time. she was really funny, and a great story teller. I hate when comedians just use quick, quippy statements or “experiences” that are super vague to try and reach the widest audience they can. IMO comedians (stand up or not) are best when they’re individual, have really specific bits or personal well-told stories, and don’t try to just go from super random anecdote-->broad-sweeping generalization and cliche. this was such a good video :)
considering giving more stand up a chance because of that show
i luvvv taylor tomlinson!!!!
Actually Taylor once said that she was inspired by John Mulaney, who's a great storyteller and also a very funny comedian. I think that they're similar in style (specifically incredible timing and good delivery). Both of them can joke on lots of different topics and have crowds laughing their asses off because their personalities are showing through the comedy and it makes them authentic
I think this is probably why I like comedians like Gabriel Iglesias and Trevor Noah. Both are fantastic storytellers. Gabriel tends to go for more personal situations where he is coming into contact with someone else. Trevor Noah is great at putting himself in the shoes of someone else and pointing out the inherent absurdity of a situation from their point of view.
You beat me to it. I'm not a huge standup person but Taylor's got real talent. Also a lot of funny queer standup people out there (Ashley Gavin, Irene Tu, Robin Tran are all on my social media lately). I hope all these people get their piece of the spotlight
This is why I like good improv comedy over all else. It’s unstructured, which makes every joke a gamble, but it also means there’s no need to stick to joking about one or two things. Improv feels great because it’s not usually super gendered. When you’re a part of an improv group that has minority members, you don’t have to make jokes about being a minority unless the scene calls for it. And the scene can call for ANYTHING. You could be playing an inanimate object for all you know. Its unhinged. It’s fantastic.