Respect for the hella smooth ad transition, damn Gabi!!! You have no idea who I am but you are literally the female version of me. Nice job slipping in the "Ancient Aliens: The Ultimate Evidence" reference by the way. Keep being awesome💪 Ps. Bass guitar in the background is SOOOO 😍😍😍 Pss. Im not creepy, peace and love from Richmond, VA
It seemed so natural to me that I never questioned it until this comment. I sit on my piano or on top of my desk when I sing. I have never questioned it. I think it might just be love of drama?
Some of the best voices show emotion by being wobbly. For example, Aurora live is always emotional as heck. She still sings like a fairy goddess but you can tell its all live. She messes up, she sighs and screams and changes notes and id much rather listen to someone so emotionally raw than someone hitting all the notes with no background
Its not that they are using it, its that they are pretending not to, which makes young and learning artists feel incompetent because they dont sound as perfect as these people posting their "unedited" singing
something funny about that is sometimes this type of thing creates a weird phenomenon where musicians end up developing certain stylistic traits when they practice or perform, directly as a result of hearing technically enhanced music. Best example is extreme metal drummers. Drums became so heavily quantized on records that people ended learning to play that way. Modern metal drummers are atomic clocks now, super precise with little swing. Neither good nor bad, just an interesting observation
That girl and guy climbing on the counter top is wild. Like you can tell that they're lipsyncing cause if they weren't you would've heard them climbing on the counter top. Also the woman wouldn't have been able to hit those high notes in real life crouched down on the counter top the way she was like that's such bad posture when singing.
Do people have to be so dramatic with their hands and shit when they sing? U sound like you know your shut and I can't stand that passionatr/dramatic bs
I mentioned Adele was singing prior to losing weight and climbed up on the higher plank and her whole rang and voice changed to where she went meta and said "Yea im a big ass girl who's out of breath, be patient" 😂😂😂
Autotune for new singers feels exactly like photoshopped body for teenagers. We think it’s the reality, we get low self esteem because we can’t reach the unreachable.
It not unreachable... Most people just don't put in the effort to reach it. So they rrsort to autotune and photoshop lol. But many photoshopped body are 100% attainable.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
@@EbonyPope I agree with you. I mean, it's a good tool for tweaking minor things here and there from an otherwise good take, but I hate it when it's used for faking talent. We live in a time, where it's more important to get instant attention than getting recognition for actually being good at something. Less people are willing to put in the effort, because faking it is so much easier.
@@zamppa1 I would argue not even for minor mistakes it should be used. A mistake is a mistake. If it's life tough luck if it's in the studio redo the take until at least passable. If not just accept it not being abel to turn out perfect. What is this obsession with making everything flawless?
steroids make real muscle, photoshop - never heard a photographer claiming they don't use editing software, autotune just sounds like daleks - even and especially in its idea of "perfection".,., Techno music doesn't need pitch correction,...,.
pretty much every photographer uses editing software and nobody denies it. its just a part of photography. so it makes no sense to compare it to autotune.
It’s not just that they’re lying about this being their “natural voice” it’s also that they’re teaching a lot of impressionable youths and laymen that “natural talent” sounds like robotic, doctored autotune, which no doubt impacts how these people might call natural singers untalented because of their natural quality.
This also goes kind of interestingly in the other direction. Alex Rudinger is a professional death metal drummer who plays with almost perfect quantization because he grew up listening to heavily edited drum recordings, and forced himself to practice until he could sound like that!
Alex is 32, you sure you're not thinking of Clay Aeschliman?? I don't think those early 2000s metal bands like SOAD, Slipknot, Lamb of God, and A7X quantized their drums, and I know Clay said that very statment in an interview before.
@@andrewibarra3101I get your point, but that's something almost impossible for a singer to do in every note, every word. I mean, it's not natural. So yeah, I get the point but it's not comparable.
@illotree a natural talent is absolutely a thing but its often confused to things it is not. everyone has their 10 000 hours. absolutely everyone. the scenario here is that some just can read the roadmarks better than others. still has everything to do with the 10 000 hours, but some can progress on that road just "better" due to some advantage. i´m still shit myself, but these days some disagree due to advantages i´ve gained from my eartraining.
I just wanna remind you that without auto tune, T-Pain is a phenomenal singer. I think it sucks that people feel the need to rely on it instead of just learning or being imperfect. Hell, when Ozzy Osbourne and Paula Abdul put out their own music, they were known for not being skilled but still commanding audiences.
t-pain's cover of tennessee whiskey is INCREDIBLE he's so good. i would've gone into him in particular more in this video but it would've gotten off topic pretty quickly
@@Patrick-857 i think they were more referring to the lack of background noise from the environment and such. there's nothing audible other than their voice, like how it would be in a soundproof booth/studio
@@Patrick-857 There was no sarcasm to be picked up since you expressed yourself in clear terms on how you thought about the recorded sound ("it sounds bad, really bad"). You overlook the fact that the comment of munchycrynchybread acknowledges your take on the recording yet informs you there's a distinction of "studio quality" as in "good" and what was probably referred to when talking about studio quality.. namely .. "what qualifies for a studio recording".. (lack of background noise etc). Perhaps it would have been more accurate to speak of "studio recording" instead of quality 🙂
It's not just the incorrect usage but the fact that they are basically lying to their audience by acting like they don't use it/hide they used autotune
@@anarecinos1590 are they hiding or just not announcing it?? No one complains when models don't disclose if they're wearing make up, why give a shit abt auto tune? A.k.a. a literal tool.
The main thing with the kitchen one for me is that when you sing in the kitchen, the room just doesn't sound like that. The reverb and the echo in a kitchen is way different to the studio style sound that accompanies them
Yeah it’s deeply obvious (if you know about acoustics or editing, I mean) how hyper-edited the whole thing is yet it’s presented as if this is raw video of them just hanging out and deciding to sing for fun. The dissonance is incredibly annoying if not straight-up unethical. I’m so sick of Tiktoks presented as candid when they’re staged, edited, and not at all honest. It’s modern day equivalent of magazine photoshopping everyone into uncanny perfection in the 2000’s. It just tricks the average person into feeling lesser than.
Sorry for commenting as I watch, but that’s probably why they cut mid-chorus. It “feels” more authentic that way, if that makes sense. Like they just ‘happened’ to catch it on camera, you know?
I hate that these people are selling it as real, like what happened to old covers in a bedroom with a visible microphone? Autotune would've been more forgivable in that scenario.
I use to say “anytime you see a microphone, there’s the potential for the vocal to be edited, or lip synced”, and that’s not even true anymore lol. I use to looove seeing my favorite bands doing acoustic videos and live performances that weren’t touched up. It was great to see how these humans sounded naturally. Not in a judgy way, I just love studying that stuff and it also was like having 2 versions of the same song, the perfect version and the human version. Now everything is touched up because it has to be or else people who don’t understand comment about how the singer sounds bad live. I’ve seen singers who are in the top 5% of singers in the world be called not that good for performances that weren’t edited. And look I’m not saying the singers themselves are bad for following the trend. Hell, I’m a singer in a band and I run tuning live too. But I’m not trying to fool anyone. I’m not shooting videos in my kitchen pretending it’s live when it’s not lol.
“When they lie about it, then its a problem” Its true. In the gym community a lot of professionals dont like people that lie about steroids use. The pros use it themselves but it becomes an issue when you lie to your viewers about a fake progress when youre cheating because your audience will never achieve what you got without cheating. Like the autotune
I think the problem is the stigma on the flip side. Like I would totally do steroids if I wanted to look like The Rock and I would be shocked if The Rock didn't ALSO take steroids (in addition to what I'm sure is a stringent exercise routine)... but if The Rock came out and said "Yeah, I get hired to do roles because people like my buff body and I help achieve that with steroids" I think his career would be over... even though we all know it's true. Taylor Swift can't come out and say "oh yeah I pitch correct my music because I want it to sound perfect and sometimes my voice doesn't do what I have in my mind for what I want the final product to sound like" I think people would turn against her (though, actually probably a bad example considering the loyalty her fans have for her... but maybe Adel or P!nk or something). I realize the need to recognize the purity of the sport or the purity of the art but also recognize that a lot of the art ISN'T pure and that we should have an open and frank conversation that. Because even when we think someone is doing sports "pure" they are actually spending money to train at high elevations and then hooking themselves up to oxygen and doing creatine or whatever is the not-illegal supplement of the moment. In music these people who "aren't autotuning" are still manipulating the music and/or recording right up to that line.
@@teamcoltra sounds like a you thing. I love being human and if we could see how lucky we actually are to be “flawed” at all no one would do that stuff.
@@teamcoltrapitch correction + picking the best takes is industry standard, what would be more disastrous would be lip syncing (not just backtrack) on tour
@@LowSlungBadBitch but that doesn't even hold up on logic: We started with singers who were not pitch correcting or using creative editing. Every singer on Earth by default sings uncorrected. The market has said "we prefer the artists who enhance their vocals" if it didn't they wouldn't be so popular. Even the examples people felt betrayed that this group of kids on TikTok who they liked actually autotuned their music... But when they thought it was natural they liked it. This group is succeeding where others fail because despite us saying we don't like it our collective preference is clear.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
I like singing, but honestly know very little about audio editing and I was always so afraid to post any of my covers because it never sounded "professional" like other covers ㅠㅠ You've really helped boost my confidence, thank you! 🥰
I assure you, there are a ton of people who would prefer minor or even no editing, I miss the old era of the internet where random people would just record a cover and post it. There was a lotta stuff I didn't like, but there were some that were just magical to me.
I feel like people climbing on a kitchen counter should be a dead giveaway away like how to are you going to sing a LITERAL pitch perfect note while crouched on a kitchen counter with cupboards above you squashing you down like idk
The cringe is unbearable. If cringe aggression isn't a thing, then I'd like to introduce it. I'm nowhere near a singer, but this type of stuff makes me really angry because I do enjoy music and singing.
I'm reminded of what Tina Fey said about photoshop, that she was okay with it being used to show you on your best day, not remove all your features until you look like your face is drawn on a paper plate
100% If I take a photo of someone in grindgy lighting that makes them look pale and tired you bet Ill put a lil warm filter on top to make them look like WHAT THEH ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE which is often much better than the unedited photo shows.. but Im not about to change their actual face/skin/whatever
yup!! like it's fine to use it to remove a couple pimples and make the lighting look better but when you start actually changing people's features esp without disclosing it is when it becomes a problem
@daaishifeeling so glad to see this, I feel like I look significantly worse in photos than I do in person. There's so much added texture on my skin which like naturally yes I have texture, but I've never had a lot of acne or scars. It enhances things that are there but you wouldn't notice if you were looking at someone in person. And the post processing it what does it, I look fine in the viewfinder but then when the photo is enhanced after I take it, its all grungy. So sometimes I will smooth my skin in places that are unflattering. Or even out the tone in places. I see no issues with anyone adjusting the photo to be a more accurate representation of what features you would actually be looking at in person rather than highlighting any kind of texture or redness that you wouldn't notice at ALL if you were there irl
One super clear tell that it's processed before filming is there's no room reverb. A kitchen is covered in hard surfaces is gonna have waaaay more reflections than that. Granted, it's harder to pick up on that if you're watching a tiktok using your phone speakers
@ville__ dude wtf I've seen you in the comments of at least 4-5 different react youtubers. are you trying to be the bot version of just a guy with a mustache or something?
10:20 This is so true. I saw their cover of Vampire by Olivia Rodrigo and I’ve been trying to sing it like them because of how perfect it sounded. I felt like I was a bad singer because I couldn’t do it as perfect as they did. And now that I see this, I’m kind of disappointed.
No seriously I used to absolutely adore some of these people and felt so discouraged when I couldn’t sing like them but now I feel significantly better about my vocals not being 100% perfect.
Yeah true, but I do think it actually sounds great (I’m assuming you are talking about Cady/Angourie) and also, she has admitted to being very insecure about her singing compared to the Auli’i and Renee, so there is probably some autotune on there. Next time I hear it I’ll listen closely, but I don’t remember it sounding robotic
@@GuntWastelander i’m biased as fuck (and they for sure auto tuned it in a way that kinda pissed me off) but the girl who plays regina is a very naturally gifted singer
Pentatonix did this ten years ago. Like they wanted you to believe they were doing an acapella in a broom closet in a one-take three minute video, but clearly every part is perfectly recorded in a studio and autotuned.
I was a fan of pentatonix back in like 2012, but It was always funny to me how Kevin (the beatboxer) would be filmed performing into a single mic, but the beatboxing itself sounded like a fat, stereo, professionally recorded drum kit. Was always the least realistic part of their mixing
@@meriwoo7382 Tbh, Pentatonix are insanely talented, but the mixing and mastering of their songs always feels too much to me, and the bigger they've got, the worse it's become. Just way too much gloss to the point where their songs don't feel natural at all.
The fact that people are lying saying they’re not using it is what kills me. Pitch correction in itself is not the issue, but lying to people without a trained ear that you aren’t pre-recording, pitch correcting, and then lip-syncing to your pre-recorded audio is CRAZY.
Wait till you reach the gym community where 80% of influencers that people look up to are pumping roids saying they’re natty specifically arguing that they aren’t using roids . Ridiculous
I teach voice lessons, and I have to have the "autotune" conversation with students all the time. They get so discouraged because they don't sound like their favourite artists (or randos on tiktok), and I have to let them know that no one sounds like that.
I want to learn how to sing well so bad but I don't have the funds to be tsught yet. It IS super discouraging wanting to be good and trying to hit the notes we hear on our favorite songs. There are some singers out there with beautifully strong voices that aren't as popular. I wish we could hear the real voices more often in songs.
@@abinnohr6497 if you want to learn how to sing comfortably there are some really great videos on TH-cam that teach breathing/breath support 😊 start by learning how to breathe properly to support your voice. There are also some good videos on vocal warm ups, you'll want to make sure you're warmed up before you do any major singing (like stretching before you do exercise). On top of that, just sing! Practice makes perfect 😊 Try not to focus on how things sound, but instead on how they feel (Do you feel tense in your shoulders, tongue, jaw? Does your throat feel sore or strained? Etc.). Singing should feel comfortable, not tense or sore or strained. And be kind to yourself. We're our own worst enemy, and if you let ego get in the way you'll never improve.
it's sad that autotune is to voices what photoshop is to bodies. Nobody should compare themselves to digital nonsense, nobody sounds/looks that good, not even the ones you're comparing yourself to.
@@abinnohr6497the thing is to find and learn to love the singers who don't use autotune. Or at least not to that extent, although for me that type of music where autotune is used is generally something I hate from the first few seconds. However, those good singers aren't often nearly as popular and I honestly want to hate on the autotune-addicted ones just sp that the actually talented and well-practiced ones get more recognition
Voice teacher here! A lot of voice students these days have unrealistic expectations of their skills because of fake videos, especially when it comes to belting and what is and is not achievable for a young singer. The videos also have really bad vocal habits, such as inconsistent posture, jaw tension, and uneven breath management (but of course you can't hear it since the audio is fake). How could someone possibly sing with that much support when they just messed up all their breathing and rib expansion to jump on a counter LOL?
I’ve only taken voice lessons for about a year, but yeah I noticed the poor technique right away. The neck tension is what stood out to me (because that’s my problem)
Another voice teacher here… Agreed. My kids come in expecting to belt perfect high notes while they’re all crouched and crunched, with a barely-open mouth the way they see on TikTok. We have to spend a ton of time correcting physical habits AND their ideas that they’ll never be as good as the person on screen. 🫠
Yup, as a former theater kid and a nursing student I called BS the moment I saw them hunched over like gremlins. You need good posture to get good breath support, this is vocalist 101.
YES! Same here! It's so frustrating as a voice teacher trying to instill healthy technique and encourage students to find their own beautiful voices. WE know this is fake, that these performers are deceiving their audiences, but so many of our students hear them and just get so discouraged, even when we explain all of this to them. It is like photoshop for the voice and it makes me sad to see it becoming so rampant.
Gurlll finally someone revealed thiss! I’ve always been wondering how they sing the highest pitches without having mics and it doesn’t sound too much or loud at all!! Great video
@animeroxxie she's even better in concert. I saw her twice. First time as an opener for Dua Lipa, second time as headliner. Now she is in my top 5 favorite artists.
I’m a singer with no knowledge of how auto tune works and these TikTok videos always made me feel like shit bc I thought they were actually that good - thank u for this public service announcement ❤
@@SlashCampable not really- yes it is common knowledge that social media is deceiving. However, it can still be hard to distinguish between certain forms of entertainment on there like singing, playing an instrument or so on. It still catches people off guard regardless.
it's also true that autotune can sound really good when used stylistically, like when T-Pain or Lil Wayne do it. the difference is, they don't try to pretend they're not using it
Yeah, when I think of a good stylistic use of auto-tune, the intro to 24k Magic comes to mind. It's clearly pitch corrected, and nobody cares because that's the point. It adds a cool electronic note to it, that you wouldn't really get without it.
Surgery or ozempic. You are so right - perpetuating an unattainable standard, our perception of the standard of normal shifts, and that just sucks for all of us.
literally drives me nuts as a singer since no one sounds like that irl and all the comments of those tiktoks are just compliments when they likely have put in less work than most live performers
@@TheBanana93 It been a trend but the software has never been as accessible as now as well as we're seeing it a hundred times more because of the constant barrage of social media content being thrown at us.
In my experience it's almost always present in any professional or complete production. But it's a matter of how much. 10-20% correction on some notes it's normal. but the entire song at such an intense level is bullshit and not normal. Or even just, a professional musician with records and shit, I don't think shorts that are intensely auto-tuned should be posted tbh. Shorts should be for your unrefined voices. If you need to auto-tune for your productions cool but idk...shorts aren't albums.
99.9% of modern pop is autotuned, but its less obvious because the producers know they cant go absolutely nuclear on the autotune because most people will notice it
The fact that they’re splicing notes but not at the crossing point to avoid artefacts is so puzzling. Why meticulously edit vocals just to make such a rookie mistake?
Honestly I'd bet you money they don't really know anything about vocal editing beyond the fact they can slide the notes around. And someone armed with that power and no knowledge on how to use it right I'd bound to make something that sounds awful. Lessons from my production degree years lmfao
I don’t hate autotune, but I sure hate bad autotune. When done poorly, it removes all character from voices. Sometimes not being perfectly in tune adds emotion to singing.
Using autotone is like a filter. It look nicer but the mirror tells you it's a lie everyday. So what's the point in making a sound so perfect if it's not you.
I don’t know if I’m alone on this one or not, but the thing that differentiates singers from each other is those little imperfections, and the way they use auto tune really takes that away from their voices. We’re human so it’s comforting to hear other humans sing in their own unique ways, and the robot-like auto tune really makes everyone sound almost the same.
I have no problem with autotune, but it has its place. The same is true for processed drums, for example. EDM, trance, and dubstep etc. use percussion that's exactly on beat, and if it was even a little bit off it would be weird. In genres with real human players, you want the slight imprecision to make it feel organic, usually. Even then, there are genres (mostly modern ones) that benefit from the unnatural perfection that can only be achieved digitally, which trades the organic feel of human familiarity with the out-of-this-world perfection of computers. (This is for example the case in certain modern metal productions that have lots of layers and intricate parts). It's all about when it is and isn't appropriate to use, as well as what you personally prefer.
13:03 to be fair, Finneas said that SPECIFICALLY about the first LP. He's more than happy to talk about using pitch correction on other things they've done.
For me, the harmonies sound uncanny. Too perfect. Even trained musicians have a slight waver to one side or the other, and this just sounds to perfect.
They're also not correct. Fretless instruments, the voice technically being one of them, play certain notes a little higher or lower to go with the tension and release of the harmony. Like in a V-I the 7 should be a little higher, and it sounds more exciting too. It's wild to me that these kids think this legit sounds better edited to bits, even beyond that robot effect.
This is what people need to realize! They are actually great singers! People are using this to justify calling them talentless but nah folks. These people can SING. You can't sing like shit and make it sound this good with any tech
The auto-tune became really apparent with Take Me To Church. That song has a lot of embellishments and you hear the auto-tune "correct" them in real time. imo that's one of the few songs you don't ever want to auto-tune in an arrangement.
It also has a lot of between notes (idk what you call it) like it doesn't go straight from a f# t D, not staccato, but your voice has to adjust up to it so the wav would have kinda curves on them
Take me to church is one of my favorite songs of all time. I've listened to it no less than 400 times and I RECOILED when I heard it because it sounds so flat and lifeless. Take Me to church is Not a song to autotune.
Personally I think tik tok is ruining music. There are song a I just refuse to listen to because I've heard the same sound bite so many times I hate it.
The reason we "can tell", is because we expect slight incorrections but don't get any. It's the same reason many people easily see double spaces in texts because you just expect single spaces - just reverse.
The slight imperfections are what make it sound real, it adds the humanity, the grit, the heart and soul. I really started to notice autotune when listening to certain artists that sound awesome live, but the studio versions sound comparatively lifeless. Like, you'd never want an autotuned version of Bob Dylan or Johnny Cash or Freddy Mercury.
The fact that they purposefully tried so hard to make it look spontaneous (guy with hands in his pockets, another holding a coffee mug, and the other claiming around) is what made it so cringe.
The worst thing about these kitchen guys is - like you said - that they sell doctored footage as genuine. They are the singer equivalent of instagram models who tune their pics to hell and back. Even if you immediately catch that their performance cannot be genuine, you still feel like you are a failed singer because you can't hit those notes a juicily as they did. Even worse for people who don't know anything about music production.
@@WilshaffnerYou kinda do have to be really good. There's a lot that goes into sounding good besides just pitch, and like you say you need pretty decent pitch to sound good autotuned anyway. That said, nobody is saying these guys aren't great singers, it's just they are dishonest, and as stated in the video, just use pitch correction really poorly.
EXACTLY! Those overly-polished notes remove any ounce of human emotion in them. I always think an imperfect voice is better (just so long as the person with an “imperfect” voice can actually sing).
I’m also a SCHOOL TRAINED audio engineer here and yeah these guys are trash. I mean like that girl Natalie climbing on all that shit like a cat I’ve been running across her TikTok’s for a year or so and man… she really really and I mean REALLY tried to sell that shit. But as much as they go for the visuals after throwing auto tune /melodyne they fuck up on the littlest rookie shit like little splices in the audio and you can hear artifacts in there too. Idk what they tryna do but they can’t fool me it looks stupid 😂
also can we talk about “vocal coaches” on youtube who react to these people????? and they say nothing about autotune. it just perpetuates the lie and makes other singers feel bad
"Vocal coaches" on yt are really just people who just learn to sing themselves. Basically like "life coaches" who barely get their life together and now want to teach others lmao
I have as much disdain for those videos as I do the ones titled "musician reacts to hearing [popular thing that often is decades old] for the first time". Reaction videos are some of the laziest things on TH-cam but these people have to add lying to the mix.
@@LuisGustavoSOit's true. And that goes for almost all, "X profession reacts." If they were really any good at what they do, they would be doing it on a professional level instead of doing TH-cam. There are a few who are legit, like the music director for the Seattle Seahawks (drumrolltony) but he's an exception to the rule.
@@joustingkingcheck out drumrolltony. He's the only person I think does it well. Because he literally infuses his professional experience to the music he listens to. He obviously does not need to TH-cam (he's the music director for a literal NFL band). Seeing someone at the top of their game, instead of some amateur, break down popular music in real time is great stuff. It's not just, "oooh that was great! I feel something!" He talks about techniques in a way that musicians appreciate. At least I do haha.
I'm glad I found your video. I really noticed the lies in the videos and I even commented to my sister about people who record themselves with a cup of coffee in their hands, pretending they were doing something and decided to stop to record, when in fact all of this had been planned for a long time.
Singing teacher here! I only start my comment like that to tell you that my job is to encourage, support and educate young singers on topics a lot like what you're talking about. I sniffed out these kitchen singers much like you did and I am sitting here nodding like "this woman frigging knows what's up." You are SO RIGHT. Don't pretend this is off the cuff. They need to report to everyone that it's heavily edited. Listeners are getting too used to "perfect" vocals and it really messes with people learning to sing because they feel like they can't meet the standard that a computer is trying to create. On many social media platforms you have to disclose that you are using AI for an image or video...time to start calling out singers too. You should have to disclose if vocals are edited or actually raw. Like you said, no shame in using auto-tune but don't tell us it's live when it's not.
I'm also a singing teacher, and I agree with everything you said. I'm all about building singers up, and fixed vocals like these are part of the problem. The constant bombardment of robotically perfect vocals is making singers expect to produce a non-producible sounds. It makes me sad that people can't hear the *robot* in stuff like this, because to me it is so clear, and it sucks the soul out of everything. And I'm all about using subtle correction, or using autotune to achieve a certain sound, but lets put the soul back in singing. Singing is supposed to be emotional. It's okay when voices crack, or go a little off pitch, or any other "imperfect" thing.
@@jamie_lou teacher here. "It's okay when voices crack, or go a little off pitch, or any other "imperfect" thing." AMEN!!!!!!! That's it. Keep it real people.
As a guy who loves singing i often come across natural talents who can sing way better then alot of Singing Teacher. But i´m assuming a singing teacher is nothing you need certification for and is probably a step under vocal coach?!
@@bamfyfe singing teachers and vocal coaches are the same thing. When I tell non-singers I'm a vocal coach, sometimes they think I am a speech therapist or something, so "Singing teacher" is what I say sometimes to keep it less confusing. And I suppose it's true that you don't need certification to teach voice, or to be any other type of music teacher. However, if you didn't know what you were talking about and didn't help people become better singers (or guitarists, or pianists, or violinists or whatever you teach), I doubt you would have any students. All singing teachers/vocal coaches I know have extensive vocal training.
The fun thing is, the human ear prefers imperfections in music. I don't mean music that sounds terrible, but little imperfections that you almost can't hear. If it sounds too perfect, it will start to feel uncanny. Same reason most people prefer the sound of LP records, instead of digital.
Exactly, and it’s the reason why live music sounds so much better than an album track. I think this is also true for other things, most people would prefer homemade food that’s imperfect and different with each bite as opposed to a consistent mass manufactured food product. Variation and expression is a wonderful thing.
Not to name drop but this is the reason I can’t stand listening to artists like jacob collier where everything sounds so perfect and refined. Like I recognize the talent but it sounds like music made for a music class instead of something made with emotion. In general, let things be imperfect!
@@oneproplanet Yes, you're correct in that the function is appreciated "sin", similar to how cosine is abbreviated "cos". However, the full name of the sinusoidal wave is sine! Hope this helps :)
I’ve been looking for somebody to talk about this crap. The fake-casual “oh I’m just so passionate about singing , definitely not staging something to stroke my ego” has been PISSING ME OFF and I needed to see somebody call it out
Even with no pitch correction involved, I kinda hate when people keep randomly singing in situations that don't call for it. Somehow it ALWAYS feels like they are just trying to show off, and it comes off as obnoxious to me
No fr they way they move their hands and bodies is so overdramatic like even singers don't do that shit as much. And the crawling on the counter like seriously what the fuck is this middle school theater class bs
@@whydoimevenhereThey are all great singers. Everyone uses a degree of pitch correction these days, they just use it poorly, and try to pass it off as natural... That's the issue.
@@Mejoree113 Agreed, it’s not that they can’t sing, it’s that the reason why they’re singing with the covert pitch correction in casual looking settings is to show off as an ego stroke and get amazed reactions, but still pretend that it’s just off the cuff heartfelt passion so they don’t look desperate. They’re seeking attention and praise but they don’t want to LOOK like they’re seeking attention and praise
I’m an audio engineer and producer who works with these tools every day. This is the best video on this topic I’ve seen outside of audio nerd channels. I was waiting the entire video for something to disagree with (which would have been ok), and I found nothing. Thanks for making a great video I can send to the non audio nerds in my life lol.
If you're an audio engineer and producer, wouldn't you realize that most of the folks she has a problem with in this video undeniably have good voices even BEFORE the pitch correcting? You can only make a terrible singer sound in tune with these tools; you can't necessarily make them sound pleasant. Even in her example where she sung terribly and "fixed" it, even after it was fixed it didn't sound good. The HUGE missing piece in this video is that most of these people actually are great singers who use pitch correcting for complete perfection. Even if that's "a lie," they are still great singers. I think a lot of humans just love to tear down the folks around them who have more talent.
@@amavasya5884 Right after she does the bad singing and corrects it (at 14:25) she literally says you need to have singing ability to make pitch correction work, and then goes on to do another example where she sings well and finishes it off with Melodyne to demonstrate what the people she uses as examples are doing, and at 16:20 she points out that they're probably talented but that the fake spontaneity is disingenuous at best. I get that all our attention spans are fried by short form content but did you not finish the video before rushing to the comments?
This actually blew my mind. I really didn't know this was a thing. Thank you. This is so important for young people with social media to know. Being fake on the internet doesn't just extend to appearances. And I agree, the issue isn't auto tune. It's the staging and just deceptiveness behind it all.
This comment reminded me of the weird dichotomy between the generations in that the older generations don't understand the applications, though they understand the technology, while the younger generations understand the applications, though they don't understand the technology. My generation is somewhere in the middle of the two, and it's wild, I can tell you that.
5:39 took me a second to realize the visual gag was that you were the piano player shunned to a separate room, and that edit wasn't just some random easter egg.
100% agree, much like Photoshop: great tool, but presenting doctored images as "realistic" normalizes _flawless_ faces & bodies; in reality even models/actors get blemishes or a bit of cellulite. I wish I'd known that as a teen. See also: "totally natural" athletes who are clearly juicing. Great video!
This. I was thinking about this during the whole video. There's no shame in people getting cosmetic surgery or just using digital tools or makeup to achieve a look, but pretending you didn't do it is the problem, and it's especially obvious when not done well.
Always ask yourself “what is being sold to me as I watch this & why?” A friend of mine who has done a lot of social media marketing work said to me once: people don’t hate being sold to, people hate being lied to.
100%. It's the lying that irritates me. Be it a "fitness influencer who pretends he's all natural, or a vocal or guitar performance presented as 'live" when it's a heavily edited and processed recording. I don't care that either of those two things exist. But don't lie to me and present them as real.
Ooo I love this quote. I used to be anti-salesy anything until I WAS a phone salesman and was trained to actually reveal and talk about real value as honestly as possible. I had dishonest colleagues who ended up getting fired and had bad performance. Don’t tell the single guy moving into his first apartment that he *needs* a landline phone with his Internet for $30 more or implying that 3000kilobit wifi is FAST when it’s really the same thing as 3megs and is slower than any data plan. People love hearing good truths. “Yeah for 4k streaming, you need at the very least 25-50mbps, but really you should get a 500mbps plan because you have 3 people in the home, multiple devices will lower it overall, and preventing that headache only costs $10 more.” Good sales / marketing is so nice when it actually provides you with something you want that costs less than you’re willing to pay. Oh yeah baby. (Do I want to get back into sales now? Lmao)
I asked my mother in law about why her students in middle school choir sound so nasally and annoying. She attributed it to the over-use of autotune on the Internet, and told me she actively has to try and call them on it, but they all still try to sound like it.
That's pretty dumb. Why would autotune make them sound nasaly? Nasal singing occurs when the soft palate, or vellum, is lowered, allowing air to escape through the nasal cavity. Nothing to do with autotune
@@RonnyDoploThese autotuned people are incredibly straight-toned (and also singing and belting incredibly high) for the most part because of the autotune. As an undeveloped teenage voice, I would theorize that the easiest way to imitate that tone and style is unhealthily using a lot of nasal tonality.
1:34 I'm in a college choir and this word has plagued me. My director is always saying things like, "You're ten cents flat" or "You're so under pitch that this flat piano sounds in tune." or "I need a C natural by 10 cents sharp." Also I literally can't stand auto tune. It's so boring to me. Yay we can sing notes and create simple harmonies!!! So Fun!!!!! Girl I want raw voices please. That's what makes music interesting. It's the raw human voice and all it's different variants. Yes I may be training to be a professional in classical singing, but singing isn't just about auto tune or operatic voices. Theres so much more. It pains me to see people doing things like this because it's so base line and bland. There is so much more that gets over looked :/
a good example of live autotune and vocal effects is 100 gecs. at their live shows laura and dylan are constantly switching bewteen different microphones, sometimes holding two at once, that are connected to the mixing console (i forget the actual term) running different effects chains on each. the way they use the effects is part of their appeal, so nobody has a problem with it (plus both are genuinely good musicians)
I think I literally gaslighted myself into believing these videos are real. When I first saw this guy, I was like "Yeah nah, that's heavily autotuned." But as I saw more and more of his videos I started thinking "No way he edits his vocals that heavily in every single video, right? I'm probably just jealous, because I can't hit those notes this perfectly."
People tend to think other people think the way they do. So it makes sense, because to you, and every other naive believer, that level of dedication to a bold face lie is ridiculous and unnecessary.
Same here. 🤦🏼♀️ I’m often frustrated feeling like my control and technique etc must just be so lacking and that’s why I can’t execute “perfect” notes, and they’re just that good.
Just remember that some people will do anything when they are desperate for views.They’ll abandon morals and ethics for that influencer money.Its not surprising that they spend a few hours editing a 15 second clip.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
@@FaithinChrist3xTrue, I once tried to photoshop my face, one picture takes three hours, and I wonder if I do that to every picture how much time will left for eat, sh’t and sleep, then I gave up selfies as a whole.
exactly. it gives character to the sound and makes it much more exiting. the slight imperfections are the thing that makes a voice touching and emotional to me.
For real. I love growling angry or devastating locals, or getting really soft and whispering. I'm nowhere near even a good singer, but at least I can let my emotions play
those melodyne files literally look like barely tuned vocaloid files 😭😭😭 i’ve tuned vocaloids less robotic than that and they’re trying to pull a fast one 💀💀💀
Thank you. It’s like body modifications- there’s nothing wrong with doing whatever you want to your body. But pretending it’s natural is damaging in that it sets unrealistic beauty standards.
So you want people to tell you what surgeries they had every time they talk to you or want them to write it on the caption for every picture they take? This comparison is terrible
@@PalitoSelvaticothey're talking about people who are being dishonest, when I post a picture of myself and I've used a filter to emphasize the shadows around my cheeks, that isn't setting and unrealistic standard. If I were an influencer who made a living off of my appearance and routinely sold a reality that wasn't true, it would be a wildly different situation.
I think knowing all of this shows just how talented Broadway singers are and how they are just in another league when it comes to their singing prowess. They just sound amazing naturally even when performing entire dance routines. I feel like the rise of hiding the use of autotune diminishes just how hard they work to sound that amazing because people are just so used to seeing "candid" performances which are actually just autotuned.
Ngl they also use auto tune during many live performances I’m not gonna say they do on broadway because I don’t know for sure but auto tune for live shows does exist
@@alyssamarescalco1431 another common live tactic (again, not sure if Broadway uses it but I know for example BTS does) is sidechain compressing the live mic to a prerecorded vocal track so the singer can decide what lines they want to sing and which ones they want to lipsync to.
I read an interview with Idina Menzel (Rent, Wicked, early 2000s Broadway musical icon) from many years ago and she claimed that on a really good day, she’d hit something like 60% of her notes correctly. I think between the energy of a live theater performance and the backing music, and considering you can’t rewind and go “wait, what was that” you’re just not as likely to notice something wrong as long as most of it is right
@@thehousecat93 My sister has been doing theater, sometimes musicals, for several years at this point and I'll oftentimes see more than one performance per show with different groups (family on one night, friends on another, just the immediate family on opening night) and there have been so many times when I'll only catch mistakes because it's my third time seeing it, but otherwise I wouldn't have noticed. And sometimes an actor will just never get it right and I only know that because my sister told me afterwards, but they either recovered or just ran with it so well that it felt like it was supposed to happen. So, yeah, that's just part of live performances.
I have to thank you for this video. Sincerely. I’ve been a singer professionally for 11 years. I’m not really a technology geek though, and I’ve been asking myself how they do this. I tried and tried to record myself with my phone and never ever hearing myself like that, I’ve always asked “How, and why did I not sound like that.” This video is so healing. 🙏🏻
the variations in people’s voices while they’re harmonizing is part of what makes harmonies so rich and satisfying, idk why they would want to get rid of all of those deviations. it’s why choirs are so satisfying to listen to. whenever i’m doing layered harmonies in a song, i don’t do any editing so i can keep that same feeling of a full choir
One problem I have with pitch correction ESPECIALLY in a choir setting is that it's often...less perfect. It's one thing to tweak notes that were sung slightly off pitch, but not all chords should be locked into equal temperament by software. Really good choral groups will intentionally sing some chords with intervals that line up with the overtone series (equal temperament approximates the overtone series, but some intervals like the major third deviate quite a bit). This tuning is also one of the things that gives barbershop singing its characteristic ring. I wonder if this is the thing you're noticing that's missing in autotuned harmony.
I guess I should also add that I really don't mind a lot of the uses for pitch correction - it's just one of the many tools in modern music production. But it can really take the life out of certain types of music.
I've worked for a sound design company that auto-tuned songs for a major production company (rhymes with pissney), and we were specifically instructed not to auto-tune the choir parts too heavily because it can easily sound off, unnatural and phase-y since you don't get the *chorus* effect from a choir when everything is pitch perfect. It's interesting that a similar video hasn't been made about the culture of pitch-correction in children's cartoons and the like since auto-tune is also heavily used here... but I guess that's the difference between amateurs and pros. Pros know when to dial it back so that it's juuust unnoticeable enough for a general audience.
@@Ojja78Agreed. They sound "clearly talented", in a way that kind of makes you hear what "should have been", instead of "what was"; but, it's just too annoying, knowing what "should have been" got replaced by unnecessary editing.
18:50 Theres even evidence to suggest for Beauty and the Beast that they were splicing together both the on-set recordings and studio recordings depending on the situation. That movie is a mass of digital audio spaghetti.
What’s so sad is that she could actually sing but they didn’t feel like going through the effort to properly record her singing live without background noise. She’d been taking voice lessons and everything and was pretty upset when she saw the finished project. Now everyone thinks she can’t sing
These TikTok videos are like reality tv… presented as unabridged and candid when even a brief analysis will reveal that it is carefully constructed to only appear that way.
Great description. I know that I will need to heavily counsel my daughters (when they're old enough) about Photoshop and auto tune and impress upon them that a lot of what they see online/TV is at least a half truth if not an outright lie. I may even go so far as actually restricting their access to image heavy social media (like Instagram) and platforms that are strictly short video format to an extent because I think they're incredibly bad for anyone's mental health. I personally do not have an instagram and I do not have TikTok. Yes, it means I miss out on certain things, but I think doomscrolling and looking at people who are- or who do a convincing job of pretending they are- the most effortlessly beautiful, talented, sexy, fittest, etc that the world has to offer is just flat out bad for anyone's mental health. I don't only think it, it's a subjective truth. Studies have shown again and again that even moderate repeated exposure to image heavy social media negatively impacts one's self esteem and impacts one's perception of self.
@@loveoverfearalwaysLMAO, yes, so relaxed and effortlessly talented they just filmed it on the fly. They were so in the moment they didn't even set anything down or put a shirt on over their bra
It’s the Glee effect. “What’s the Glee effect?” I’m so glad you asked: The creative team behind Glee took the time out of their lives cast singers who could perform at an extremely high level on the material they were given. And then they still put all of their voices through a computer, isolated the pitches so that there are no harmonics in the sound, and applied pitch correction. The result was an uncanny valley-esque approximation of singing. I understand if you need to do it for someone cast in a movie musical who isn’t a strong singer, but to do it to a cast full of very capable people is wild.
The uncanny valley effect is because they used studio recordings when singing and didn't record the performances live on set. Bad, or even mediocre, singers would not reach the level of the Glee singers even with heavy edits.
What an accurate apreciation. I love Glee and the songs, but I can't tolerate the way they edited voices, I mean, the cast was formed up of really good singers, was the edition necessary? Amber Riley has an amazing voice, but in the show she sounded too "perfect" that it's annoying.
It’s not just vocalists, but drummers, bass players, guitarists etc. Sooo many social media musicians are just miming and no one talks about it. For me, it’s the same as claiming to speed run a game but actually splicing multiple videos together.
@@andresmartinezramos7513 it actually is, you have to be somewhat on the actual note. so obviously their singing isnt that perfect but they still have to try.
@@andresmartinezramos7513 eh, in speed running there is a much bigger competition aspect than in music. It's more ok to use pitch correction than splicing because splicing is used to actually get to the top of leaderboards and win competitions. Also pitch correction is commonplace and widely accepted
Some of those makeup tutorials are downright frightening too. It's like "watch as we transform grendel the witch that eats children's souls, into gal gadot, using only the power of 500 dollars worth of makeup."
I’ve studied music my entire life and I get so mad about all the autotune used in videos and movies. Like the live action beauty and the beast, I got so much shit from my family for saying it was auto tuned until I showed them proof.
I am so glad you brought up Emma Watson's autotune in Beauty in the Beast. Yes, I'm a musician and mix engineer, but the fact that all my non-musician friends call me nuts or a hater for hearing "autotune that isn't there!" was still frustrating for years.
I can imagine the frustration brother, but you are the one with experience and the ear so their clearly uninformed opinions shouldn't really matter tbh. I know that what shouldnt bother you often does and im very familiar with that believe me lol It annoys me that talented and hard working people are told they suck by people who have zero clue about what the fuck they are talking about. Probably they didnt hear the autotune because its absolutely everywhere, its so common that I instantly notice a song without pitch correction, it helps that im a musician and a professional neighbour annoyer ie wannabe singer. I have a pretty sensitive ear for pitch so pitch correction stands out like a sore thumb to me. Sayin this I dont mean I have perfect pitch and I dont pretend that im a great musician just for this reason, im pretty damn mid in all aspects of music but I know that thats one of my strong points so I use it to my advantage. Most people have unfortunately become consumers, they exist only to buy and produce so the human aspect that makes music music is slowly being lost in a sea of mediocre, soft and corporate drivel. Sorry if I sound like a dick but I cant be bothered to fake being okay with this bullshit
I love emma didnt expect her to be the best singer but the autotune was so damn obvious it felt like they did her voice a disservice and its not like Emma had a unpleasant voice
Reminds me of how much they hyped up Les Miserables with all the singing "live" while they recorded it, then all the clips they showed were auto-tuned like crazy. That's why I refused to see the movie, I'd rather watch someone do it actually live.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 i have no idea why disney of all companies weren't prepared to just fork out for some singing lessons for her?? she has a pretty voice from what i can tell & it seems like they just let her walk into the studio with no experience, perform inadequately & then autotune her to death.
@@dracobengali disagree, a LOT of the performances in les mis were very bad *because* of the stupid recording live thing (v bad idea in a film studio) combined with dehydration, not preparing anyone, making them sing for hours at a time etc. there is a great sideways video on it
BRO. As a professional vocalist this type of content has been the BANE of my existence for YEARS. I remember feeling horrible about my personal progress when I heard these tiktok kids for The first time, (even though I was still really good in person) and only realized it was HEAVILY edited once I started learning more about mixing and stuff. I’ve been pointing this shit out to friends for YEARS.
As someone who recently got back into singing after taking 7 years off, it is BRUTAL to compare yourself. This video randomly popped up for me and all of the sudden I was like, I fully just didn’t think about TikTokers using autotune. It makes so much sense now that I am actively listening to the recordings 😂
I AM SO GLAD you covered exactly these videos. The way they act so extra and "passionate" and "shocked" at their own skill? Triggered my every organ so badly. I hate it so much. Seeing how they are actually just making a fool out of themselves... makes my day
@@Jebble347 to be fair, they appear on my feed, I look at is for maybe 5 sec, get annoyed and move on. Thing is, no matter how often I would press the "not interested" option or the dislike button or whatever else there is. They keeeeeep showing up. Besides, everyone has this thing that triggers them to their core. For everyone it is something different. For me it's fake behavior. So I guess that would explain it! :) * also I am dealing with depression and thus am at home all day. At the moment I got nothing better to do than get irritated by things that annoy me lol. It triggers much quicker now too
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
I remember YEARS ago I had an argument with my friends about having Emma Watson in the live version of Beauty and the Beast. I told them how she’s an actor, not a singer and sounds robotic with a lot of auto tune. They argued back that I was wrong. Well, you just made me feel seen :’)
@@courtneyr6645 and Audra McDonald,my fa! She sang the aria for the Prince's party. Cant believe they had THE Audra and she only sang 1 short song 😂 Yeah they saved the soundtrack
This is annoying in the same way influencers have plastic surgery and don’t admit it, or nepo babies having opportunities others don’t have but also don’t admit it. Personally, I think it’s the lack of recognizing “Yeah I use it so what” and honestly that’s better than someone acting like it’s natural.
I think people as a whole are obsessed with obtaining something or having something naturally. For example; having a pretty face, body, voice, literally almost everything. If it's not naturally obtained then it's not good, or something frowned upon.
@@musto8071Part of the issue is the lying. It creates very unrealistic and downright unattainable standards. Kids are seeing this stuff and feeling like crap because they don't have the body or the voice or the life of strangers, but even those strangers don't have those things!! We're bringing up generations of people who are being duped and now have a distorted reality. It should be clear to see why that's not good.
Remember when we found out T-Pain could sing without auto tune and he made amazing jokes about it 😂 it was sort of his thing at the time and people didn’t mind because he didn’t run from it and pretend he didn’t use auto tune
This was really educational for someone who knows nothing about music, thank you! I also learned that I do not have an ear for music AT ALL since none of the examples sounded bad/edited to me 😬
for me as a vocalist, when I see these videos -regardless of knowing its been edited- it affects my self esteem about my talent/craft in the same way that magazine covers affects body image
Me too, I have wasted a lot of time being dispirited by comparing my voice to others not realising they used pitch correction software. So much wasted time!!
To be fair with the guitar thing, hitting a crazy move on an instrument that you’ve been trying to hit for like 2 hours does shock you right when you think you should give up and it’s impossible
Yeah, as a singer myself, sometimes I decide to go for a note without knowing what's gonna happen, and when it happens, it's like *oh shit I just did that* Same with runs sometimes But ofc, those moments usually aren't caught on a clearly pre-set-up camera in a random parking garage And I know you know that, I'm not disagreeing, for sure, but still
@@msjkramey theoretically, yeah, you could Although I don't see why you'd regularly be going out to a random parking garage to get your daily practice in
this is like facetune for voices. i feel like once these people start, they probably wont be able to stop because all they hear is the imperfections in their voices to the point that they wont feel comfortable posting their real voices
I can’t help but think of the talent show where the contestant called out a pop singer for using autotune and she had nothing to say and Simon Cowell just laughed.
Honestly, I'm SO glad you recorded this rant. It has boosted my confidence SO much, bc I'm usually very hesitant to post raw covers on my SPAM ACCOUNT.
Stuff like this sucks because it’s slowly raising the vocal performance standards in the music industry. I’ve had people tell me the music I like is bad because the singers can’t sing. When in reality it’s just a raw vocal recordings with no pitch editing. Use auto tune as a tool to innovate, not a crutch to mask the most minimal mistakes.
Yeah ive noticed people are used to everything being polished to perfection. I wonder if many great musicians from the past couldve made it in this era especially those with "non pretty" voices. People seem to prefer crap in a gold package than actual gold that might have a little dirt on it.
I would argue that pitch correction is *lowering* standards in the music industry. Back in the day, you had to be really good to succeed. Now, not so much. I would be in favor of requiring a label on any music that uses any pitch correction. There are still a few holdouts who don't. Side note: Charlie Puth routinely uses (and admits using) autotune.
I wish the vocal standards in the industry would be raised. None of them can sing. Taylor swift’s popularity makes me crazy because she’s literally a singer. That’s literally her job. And she can’t. At all. It’s so embarrassing. She isn’t the only one, but she’s emblematic of a wider issue. Ariana just carrying all the pop girls on her back smh
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Melanie Martinez is a great example of how to use auto tune
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Giving theatre kids auto-tune is like giving cocaine to their agent.
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this made me cackle
@ville__bot btw don’t believe him
@@neff6185I reported it for child abuse.
@@Yodalemosdon’t do that you’re flooding the child abuse report with false reports just report for spam
more importantly, why do singers climb on everything like cats?
Singing skill is directly proportional to your distance from the earth's core
Because mainstream top 40 told them so
To look "hipster"
It seemed so natural to me that I never questioned it until this comment. I sit on my piano or on top of my desk when I sing. I have never questioned it. I think it might just be love of drama?
It's just a Tik Tok thing. People try to look as whimsical and whacky as possible for entertainment purposes, I guess.
"I dont use pitch correction" i do, but her name is Helen and she's my voice coach banging the same piano note over and over again until i cry
because im too lazy to learn music editing
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Except mine's name is Amanda
Same, her names Billie
Same 👋 however her name is Luana
You had one too, huh?
Some of the best voices show emotion by being wobbly. For example, Aurora live is always emotional as heck. She still sings like a fairy goddess but you can tell its all live. She messes up, she sighs and screams and changes notes and id much rather listen to someone so emotionally raw than someone hitting all the notes with no background
Haley Williams too
@padarousou love her
Thank you for mentioning her! She sounds ANGELIC
And Ado
When I want to relax I'll go searching for one of Aurora's live concerts
Its not that they are using it, its that they are pretending not to, which makes young and learning artists feel incompetent because they dont sound as perfect as these people posting their "unedited" singing
Goin thru this rn lol its even worse cuz im half deaf so these covers make me feel so insecure bout my voice :/
that's why i love isolated vocals or diy music or the earlier music of artists. it's realistic and it kinda calms me down and manages my expectations
something funny about that is sometimes this type of thing creates a weird phenomenon where musicians end up developing certain stylistic traits when they practice or perform, directly as a result of hearing technically enhanced music. Best example is extreme metal drummers. Drums became so heavily quantized on records that people ended learning to play that way. Modern metal drummers are atomic clocks now, super precise with little swing. Neither good nor bad, just an interesting observation
@@xsubjxwhat does "little swing" mean?
Exactly!
That girl and guy climbing on the counter top is wild. Like you can tell that they're lipsyncing cause if they weren't you would've heard them climbing on the counter top. Also the woman wouldn't have been able to hit those high notes in real life crouched down on the counter top the way she was like that's such bad posture when singing.
Do people have to be so dramatic with their hands and shit when they sing? U sound like you know your shut and I can't stand that passionatr/dramatic bs
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I mentioned Adele was singing prior to losing weight and climbed up on the higher plank and her whole rang and voice changed to where she went meta and said "Yea im a big ass girl who's out of breath, be patient" 😂😂😂
I'm glad I'm not the only person who noticed this 😂 I'm not even a singer, but I thought it was very sus when they climbed up there!
That's Darren Criss from Glee. Honestly, these is the least worst thing that EXTRA AF theatre kid has ever done.
Autotune for new singers feels exactly like photoshopped body for teenagers. We think it’s the reality, we get low self esteem because we can’t reach the unreachable.
Amen. I never realized that social media really was affecting me like that, by setting unrealistic expectations in my singing.
It not unreachable... Most people just don't put in the effort to reach it. So they rrsort to autotune and photoshop lol. But many photoshopped body are 100% attainable.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
@@EbonyPope I agree with you. I mean, it's a good tool for tweaking minor things here and there from an otherwise good take, but I hate it when it's used for faking talent. We live in a time, where it's more important to get instant attention than getting recognition for actually being good at something. Less people are willing to put in the effort, because faking it is so much easier.
@@zamppa1 I would argue not even for minor mistakes it should be used. A mistake is a mistake. If it's life tough luck if it's in the studio redo the take until at least passable. If not just accept it not being abel to turn out perfect. What is this obsession with making everything flawless?
Bodybuilders: “I don’t use steroids!!!”
Photography: “I don’t use Photoshop!”
Singers: “I don’t use autotune!”
I don’t tho 😅
@@meavocalcoach who even are you
steroids make real muscle, photoshop - never heard a photographer claiming they don't use editing software, autotune just sounds like daleks - even and especially in its idea of "perfection".,., Techno music doesn't need pitch correction,...,.
pretty much every photographer uses editing software and nobody denies it. its just a part of photography. so it makes no sense to compare it to autotune.
It’s normal for photographers to edit you know that right?
It’s not just that they’re lying about this being their “natural voice” it’s also that they’re teaching a lot of impressionable youths and laymen that “natural talent” sounds like robotic, doctored autotune, which no doubt impacts how these people might call natural singers untalented because of their natural quality.
This also goes kind of interestingly in the other direction. Alex Rudinger is a professional death metal drummer who plays with almost perfect quantization because he grew up listening to heavily edited drum recordings, and forced himself to practice until he could sound like that!
Alex is 32, you sure you're not thinking of Clay Aeschliman?? I don't think those early 2000s metal bands like SOAD, Slipknot, Lamb of God, and A7X quantized their drums, and I know Clay said that very statment in an interview before.
@@xSaintxSmithx Nile or Ulcerate would be closer to what he was talking about if I had to guess
@@andrewibarra3101I get your point, but that's something almost impossible for a singer to do in every note, every word. I mean, it's not natural. So yeah, I get the point but it's not comparable.
@illotree a natural talent is absolutely a thing but its often confused to things it is not. everyone has their 10 000 hours. absolutely everyone. the scenario here is that some just can read the roadmarks better than others. still has everything to do with the 10 000 hours, but some can progress on that road just "better" due to some advantage.
i´m still shit myself, but these days some disagree due to advantages i´ve gained from my eartraining.
I just wanna remind you that without auto tune, T-Pain is a phenomenal singer. I think it sucks that people feel the need to rely on it instead of just learning or being imperfect. Hell, when Ozzy Osbourne and Paula Abdul put out their own music, they were known for not being skilled but still commanding audiences.
t-pain's cover of tennessee whiskey is INCREDIBLE he's so good. i would've gone into him in particular more in this video but it would've gotten off topic pretty quickly
@@itsgabibelle it's absolutely fabulous! That and the medley where he sings soulful covers of his most popular songs❤❤
Agreed. In my opinion, imperfect voice sounds even better. Sometimes the little mistakes sound good!
@@NeidenHalffur I love when artists voices crack live, especially during emotional songs!
@@HighAsHeckPriestess SAMEEEEE I love how you can sense their feelings! I love it when they keep that in the studio version, it is rare but it happens
When they sound like studio recording quality without a mic in sight, it’s a give away.
Studio Quality? Not really. Smashed, brickwalled, edited and pitch corrected to oblivion. It sounds bad. Really bad.
@@Patrick-857 i think they were more referring to the lack of background noise from the environment and such. there's nothing audible other than their voice, like how it would be in a soundproof booth/studio
@@munchycrunchybread You didn't pick up the sarcasm.
I get what OP is saying, and it's true. Just wouldn't include "quality" in that sentence.
@@Patrick-857 my bad🫡🫡
@@Patrick-857 There was no sarcasm to be picked up since you expressed yourself in clear terms on how you thought about the recorded sound ("it sounds bad, really bad").
You overlook the fact that the comment of munchycrynchybread acknowledges your take on the recording yet informs you there's a distinction of "studio quality" as in "good" and what was probably referred to when talking about studio quality.. namely .. "what qualifies for a studio recording".. (lack of background noise etc).
Perhaps it would have been more accurate to speak of "studio recording" instead of quality 🙂
I love 😂 how she gets up on her table mocking them with dramatic hand gestures and her doggy is like mama funny let's play
Fr. That’s why I’m a normal singer
you hit such a good point on the fact that people dont really "hate" the practice of autotune but more the incorrect use of it.
Two worlds colliding!
It's not just the incorrect usage but the fact that they are basically lying to their audience by acting like they don't use it/hide they used autotune
Hi Troy :>>>>
@@anarecinos1590 are they hiding or just not announcing it?? No one complains when models don't disclose if they're wearing make up, why give a shit abt auto tune? A.k.a. a literal tool.
@@ember9361mods are expected to wear make up horrible analogy
The main thing with the kitchen one for me is that when you sing in the kitchen, the room just doesn't sound like that. The reverb and the echo in a kitchen is way different to the studio style sound that accompanies them
I was thinking about that too with the car videos. You're not getting a recording that clean with a giant, curved pane of glass in front of you.
Yeah it’s deeply obvious (if you know about acoustics or editing, I mean) how hyper-edited the whole thing is yet it’s presented as if this is raw video of them just hanging out and deciding to sing for fun. The dissonance is incredibly annoying if not straight-up unethical. I’m so sick of Tiktoks presented as candid when they’re staged, edited, and not at all honest. It’s modern day equivalent of magazine photoshopping everyone into uncanny perfection in the 2000’s. It just tricks the average person into feeling lesser than.
Sorry for commenting as I watch, but that’s probably why they cut mid-chorus. It “feels” more authentic that way, if that makes sense. Like they just ‘happened’ to catch it on camera, you know?
I hate that these people are selling it as real, like what happened to old covers in a bedroom with a visible microphone? Autotune would've been more forgivable in that scenario.
I use to say “anytime you see a microphone, there’s the potential for the vocal to be edited, or lip synced”, and that’s not even true anymore lol. I use to looove seeing my favorite bands doing acoustic videos and live performances that weren’t touched up. It was great to see how these humans sounded naturally. Not in a judgy way, I just love studying that stuff and it also was like having 2 versions of the same song, the perfect version and the human version. Now everything is touched up because it has to be or else people who don’t understand comment about how the singer sounds bad live. I’ve seen singers who are in the top 5% of singers in the world be called not that good for performances that weren’t edited. And look I’m not saying the singers themselves are bad for following the trend. Hell, I’m a singer in a band and I run tuning live too. But I’m not trying to fool anyone. I’m not shooting videos in my kitchen pretending it’s live when it’s not lol.
“When they lie about it, then its a problem”
Its true. In the gym community a lot of professionals dont like people that lie about steroids use. The pros use it themselves but it becomes an issue when you lie to your viewers about a fake progress when youre cheating because your audience will never achieve what you got without cheating. Like the autotune
I think the problem is the stigma on the flip side. Like I would totally do steroids if I wanted to look like The Rock and I would be shocked if The Rock didn't ALSO take steroids (in addition to what I'm sure is a stringent exercise routine)... but if The Rock came out and said "Yeah, I get hired to do roles because people like my buff body and I help achieve that with steroids" I think his career would be over... even though we all know it's true.
Taylor Swift can't come out and say "oh yeah I pitch correct my music because I want it to sound perfect and sometimes my voice doesn't do what I have in my mind for what I want the final product to sound like" I think people would turn against her (though, actually probably a bad example considering the loyalty her fans have for her... but maybe Adel or P!nk or something).
I realize the need to recognize the purity of the sport or the purity of the art but also recognize that a lot of the art ISN'T pure and that we should have an open and frank conversation that. Because even when we think someone is doing sports "pure" they are actually spending money to train at high elevations and then hooking themselves up to oxygen and doing creatine or whatever is the not-illegal supplement of the moment. In music these people who "aren't autotuning" are still manipulating the music and/or recording right up to that line.
@@teamcoltra sounds like a you thing. I love being human and if we could see how lucky we actually are to be “flawed” at all no one would do that stuff.
@@teamcoltrapitch correction + picking the best takes is industry standard, what would be more disastrous would be lip syncing (not just backtrack) on tour
@@LowSlungBadBitch but that doesn't even hold up on logic: We started with singers who were not pitch correcting or using creative editing. Every singer on Earth by default sings uncorrected.
The market has said "we prefer the artists who enhance their vocals" if it didn't they wouldn't be so popular. Even the examples people felt betrayed that this group of kids on TikTok who they liked actually autotuned their music... But when they thought it was natural they liked it. This group is succeeding where others fail because despite us saying we don't like it our collective preference is clear.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
I like singing, but honestly know very little about audio editing and I was always so afraid to post any of my covers because it never sounded "professional" like other covers ㅠㅠ You've really helped boost my confidence, thank you! 🥰
I assure you, there are a ton of people who would prefer minor or even no editing, I miss the old era of the internet where random people would just record a cover and post it. There was a lotta stuff I didn't like, but there were some that were just magical to me.
Same here. I'm glad I saw this video
I feel like people climbing on a kitchen counter should be a dead giveaway away like how to are you going to sing a LITERAL pitch perfect note while crouched on a kitchen counter with cupboards above you squashing you down like idk
THISSSSSS
The cringe is unbearable. If cringe aggression isn't a thing, then I'd like to introduce it. I'm nowhere near a singer, but this type of stuff makes me really angry because I do enjoy music and singing.
My choir teacher hated when we crossed our arms when singing she’d flip seeing this bad posture
@@no.reply_my choir teacher literally stops class to fix everyone’s posture. 💀
@@no.reply_ THATS WHAT IM SAYING MY SINGING TEACHER WOULD FLIP
I'm reminded of what Tina Fey said about photoshop, that she was okay with it being used to show you on your best day, not remove all your features until you look like your face is drawn on a paper plate
100% If I take a photo of someone in grindgy lighting that makes them look pale and tired you bet Ill put a lil warm filter on top to make them look like WHAT THEH ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE which is often much better than the unedited photo shows.. but Im not about to change their actual face/skin/whatever
Yassified 💅🏾
yup!! like it's fine to use it to remove a couple pimples and make the lighting look better but when you start actually changing people's features esp without disclosing it is when it becomes a problem
@daaishifeeling so glad to see this, I feel like I look significantly worse in photos than I do in person. There's so much added texture on my skin which like naturally yes I have texture, but I've never had a lot of acne or scars. It enhances things that are there but you wouldn't notice if you were looking at someone in person. And the post processing it what does it, I look fine in the viewfinder but then when the photo is enhanced after I take it, its all grungy. So sometimes I will smooth my skin in places that are unflattering. Or even out the tone in places. I see no issues with anyone adjusting the photo to be a more accurate representation of what features you would actually be looking at in person rather than highlighting any kind of texture or redness that you wouldn't notice at ALL if you were there irl
One super clear tell that it's processed before filming is there's no room reverb. A kitchen is covered in hard surfaces is gonna have waaaay more reflections than that. Granted, it's harder to pick up on that if you're watching a tiktok using your phone speakers
It’s also not something everyone knows is even a thing. The kitchen having reverb I mean
@@DeathnoteBBalso, one of them holds a speaker in one of the videos 😭
@ville__ bot alert
right? it's so unrealistic
@ville__ dude wtf I've seen you in the comments of at least 4-5 different react youtubers. are you trying to be the bot version of just a guy with a mustache or something?
10:20 This is so true. I saw their cover of Vampire by Olivia Rodrigo and I’ve been trying to sing it like them because of how perfect it sounded. I felt like I was a bad singer because I couldn’t do it as perfect as they did. And now that I see this, I’m kind of disappointed.
No seriously I used to absolutely adore some of these people and felt so discouraged when I couldn’t sing like them but now I feel significantly better about my vocals not being 100% perfect.
the autotune in the mean girls movie musical is INSANE tbh especially since it's only one actress who needs that much support
Who?
@@haileygrace1924i assume cady
Yeah true, but I do think it actually sounds great (I’m assuming you are talking about Cady/Angourie) and also, she has admitted to being very insecure about her singing compared to the Auli’i and Renee, so there is probably some autotune on there. Next time I hear it I’ll listen closely, but I don’t remember it sounding robotic
Pretty much every character in that movie had their vocals overproduced and compressed to hell. It sucks that this is the norm now in popular music.
@@GuntWastelander i’m biased as fuck (and they for sure auto tuned it in a way that kinda pissed me off) but the girl who plays regina is a very naturally gifted singer
Pentatonix did this ten years ago. Like they wanted you to believe they were doing an acapella in a broom closet in a one-take three minute video, but clearly every part is perfectly recorded in a studio and autotuned.
I hated it then when they were doing it, and I hate it now when tiktokers do it
I was a fan of pentatonix back in like 2012, but It was always funny to me how Kevin (the beatboxer) would be filmed performing into a single mic, but the beatboxing itself sounded like a fat, stereo, professionally recorded drum kit. Was always the least realistic part of their mixing
their vocals always sounded so straight, flat and lifeless. idk how anyone ever considered it good live singing
@@meriwoo7382 Tbh, Pentatonix are insanely talented, but the mixing and mastering of their songs always feels too much to me, and the bigger they've got, the worse it's become. Just way too much gloss to the point where their songs don't feel natural at all.
oh fuck you’re right 😭
This whole perfect pitch thing makes no cents.
Good one 🤣
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😂😂😂😂
Downright hilarious
And that’s not what perfect pitch means. You could be a terrible singer and have perfect pitch
0:20 I wouldn't say really, really good. I was thinking more like, really, really mechanical.
Fr. That’s why I don’t use auto tune
The fact that people are lying saying they’re not using it is what kills me. Pitch correction in itself is not the issue, but lying to people without a trained ear that you aren’t pre-recording, pitch correcting, and then lip-syncing to your pre-recorded audio is CRAZY.
Hi Elyse. 💕👑
ELYSEE HIII
I mean it's internet, it's almost all lies it's hard to find good content now it's way worse with tiktok and everything (love your content tho)
could not have said it better myself
Wait till you reach the gym community where 80% of influencers that people look up to are pumping roids saying they’re natty specifically arguing that they aren’t using roids . Ridiculous
I teach voice lessons, and I have to have the "autotune" conversation with students all the time. They get so discouraged because they don't sound like their favourite artists (or randos on tiktok), and I have to let them know that no one sounds like that.
I want to learn how to sing well so bad but I don't have the funds to be tsught yet. It IS super discouraging wanting to be good and trying to hit the notes we hear on our favorite songs.
There are some singers out there with beautifully strong voices that aren't as popular. I wish we could hear the real voices more often in songs.
@@abinnohr6497 if you want to learn how to sing comfortably there are some really great videos on TH-cam that teach breathing/breath support 😊 start by learning how to breathe properly to support your voice. There are also some good videos on vocal warm ups, you'll want to make sure you're warmed up before you do any major singing (like stretching before you do exercise). On top of that, just sing! Practice makes perfect 😊 Try not to focus on how things sound, but instead on how they feel (Do you feel tense in your shoulders, tongue, jaw? Does your throat feel sore or strained? Etc.). Singing should feel comfortable, not tense or sore or strained. And be kind to yourself. We're our own worst enemy, and if you let ego get in the way you'll never improve.
it's sad that autotune is to voices what photoshop is to bodies. Nobody should compare themselves to digital nonsense, nobody sounds/looks that good, not even the ones you're comparing yourself to.
I do
@@abinnohr6497the thing is to find and learn to love the singers who don't use autotune. Or at least not to that extent, although for me that type of music where autotune is used is generally something I hate from the first few seconds.
However, those good singers aren't often nearly as popular and I honestly want to hate on the autotune-addicted ones just sp that the actually talented and well-practiced ones get more recognition
Voice teacher here! A lot of voice students these days have unrealistic expectations of their skills because of fake videos, especially when it comes to belting and what is and is not achievable for a young singer. The videos also have really bad vocal habits, such as inconsistent posture, jaw tension, and uneven breath management (but of course you can't hear it since the audio is fake). How could someone possibly sing with that much support when they just messed up all their breathing and rib expansion to jump on a counter LOL?
I’ve only taken voice lessons for about a year, but yeah I noticed the poor technique right away. The neck tension is what stood out to me (because that’s my problem)
Another voice teacher here… Agreed. My kids come in expecting to belt perfect high notes while they’re all crouched and crunched, with a barely-open mouth the way they see on TikTok. We have to spend a ton of time correcting physical habits AND their ideas that they’ll never be as good as the person on screen. 🫠
Yup, as a former theater kid and a nursing student I called BS the moment I saw them hunched over like gremlins.
You need good posture to get good breath support, this is vocalist 101.
I am a coach who specializes in belt technicque and yea... theres a few of them who I can clearly see are hurting their voices.
YES! Same here! It's so frustrating as a voice teacher trying to instill healthy technique and encourage students to find their own beautiful voices. WE know this is fake, that these performers are deceiving their audiences, but so many of our students hear them and just get so discouraged, even when we explain all of this to them. It is like photoshop for the voice and it makes me sad to see it becoming so rampant.
Gurlll finally someone revealed thiss! I’ve always been wondering how they sing the highest pitches without having mics and it doesn’t sound too much or loud at all!! Great video
Honestly, I prefer hearing breaks and cracks in the voice, I love the imperfections in singing. It brings soul to a performance.
Agreed
You should check out Caroline Polachek's album Desire, I want to Turn into You
@@Stormy_Cloud That album is a pop masterpiece!!!
Like Tom Waits?
@animeroxxie she's even better in concert. I saw her twice. First time as an opener for Dua Lipa, second time as headliner. Now she is in my top 5 favorite artists.
I’m a singer with no knowledge of how auto tune works and these TikTok videos always made me feel like shit bc I thought they were actually that good - thank u for this public service announcement ❤
NO SAME I WAS PRACTICING EVEN HARDER AND BEING HARDER ON MYSELF FOR THAT
Every time I sing I get so discouraged bc of this (I’m not a good singer, but I’ve been trying to get even decent and tiktok isn’t helping)
Same. I actually just knew such thing even exist today from this video 😅
They wouldn't be on tiktok if they were actually good. Dead giveaway
@@SlashCampable not really- yes it is common knowledge that social media is deceiving. However, it can still be hard to distinguish between certain forms of entertainment on there like singing, playing an instrument or so on. It still catches people off guard regardless.
it's also true that autotune can sound really good when used stylistically, like when T-Pain or Lil Wayne do it. the difference is, they don't try to pretend they're not using it
Or when used to change to a really deep pitch like JID on the intro for “Westbrook”
I mean "sound good" is a bit questionable lol
Yeah, when I think of a good stylistic use of auto-tune, the intro to 24k Magic comes to mind. It's clearly pitch corrected, and nobody cares because that's the point. It adds a cool electronic note to it, that you wouldn't really get without it.
Kanye West did this best on his 2008 album 808s and Heartbreak
this! autotune is a tool, not a crutch
Thank you for representing autotune the right way and not just slapping the lable of autotune on every form of pitch correction.
It’s the musical equivalent of “I just drink water and do yoga” when it is really surgery.
Surgery or ozempic. You are so right - perpetuating an unattainable standard, our perception of the standard of normal shifts, and that just sucks for all of us.
@@bonesonstones1Unattainable? By what metric?
@@ohreally1997unattainable meaning most people can’t get the exact build they want naturally even with intense muscle training
literally drives me nuts as a singer since no one sounds like that irl and all the comments of those tiktoks are just compliments when they likely have put in less work than most live performers
@@ohreally1997unatainable because you cant work well while starving yourself
self taught singer and i don’t think i ever realised how common auto tune is until this trend started
really? its been a trend for 20+ years lol
I make beats in FL Studio and yeah it's pretty much everywhere 😂
@@TheBanana93 It been a trend but the software has never been as accessible as now as well as we're seeing it a hundred times more because of the constant barrage of social media content being thrown at us.
In my experience it's almost always present in any professional or complete production. But it's a matter of how much. 10-20% correction on some notes it's normal. but the entire song at such an intense level is bullshit and not normal. Or even just, a professional musician with records and shit, I don't think shorts that are intensely auto-tuned should be posted tbh. Shorts should be for your unrefined voices. If you need to auto-tune for your productions cool but idk...shorts aren't albums.
99.9% of modern pop is autotuned, but its less obvious because the producers know they cant go absolutely nuclear on the autotune because most people will notice it
The fact that they’re splicing notes but not at the crossing point to avoid artefacts is so puzzling. Why meticulously edit vocals just to make such a rookie mistake?
It aint meticulous, they just import the audio and slide pitch to max accuracy
i dont think they care enough, its probably when they didnt get the perfect note length so they just mashed two takes together
because they are still rookies. and that's ok
upvoting like i know what this means
Honestly I'd bet you money they don't really know anything about vocal editing beyond the fact they can slide the notes around. And someone armed with that power and no knowledge on how to use it right I'd bound to make something that sounds awful. Lessons from my production degree years lmfao
0:11 Is the guy in the middle from Glee?
Looks like it but i doubt its actually him
It's is
It is him lol
Yes it is actually him
No y’all…that’s harry potter
I don’t hate autotune, but I sure hate bad autotune. When done poorly, it removes all character from voices. Sometimes not being perfectly in tune adds emotion to singing.
Any artist who uses autotune is a joke
💯👏 that’s my pet peeve with autotune
@@tiffanywyatt5137i get what you’re tryna say but just so you know almost every artist uses autotune. thats why mixing and mastering is a job.
@@tiffanywyatt5137You need to move on from the past bud
Using autotone is like a filter. It look nicer but the mirror tells you it's a lie everyday. So what's the point in making a sound so perfect if it's not you.
I don’t know if I’m alone on this one or not, but the thing that differentiates singers from each other is those little imperfections, and the way they use auto tune really takes that away from their voices. We’re human so it’s comforting to hear other humans sing in their own unique ways, and the robot-like auto tune really makes everyone sound almost the same.
It’s just you
i agree w/ u
@@agirloncrack4413 hundreds of people liked their comment so clearly it's not just them
Exactly, I’ve always hated the perfectness of the auto tune sound
I have no problem with autotune, but it has its place. The same is true for processed drums, for example. EDM, trance, and dubstep etc. use percussion that's exactly on beat, and if it was even a little bit off it would be weird. In genres with real human players, you want the slight imprecision to make it feel organic, usually. Even then, there are genres (mostly modern ones) that benefit from the unnatural perfection that can only be achieved digitally, which trades the organic feel of human familiarity with the out-of-this-world perfection of computers. (This is for example the case in certain modern metal productions that have lots of layers and intricate parts). It's all about when it is and isn't appropriate to use, as well as what you personally prefer.
this is like fitness influencers swearing they aren't on PEDs and telling the youth they can get the same results.
PEDs?
@@helsbelsss Performance enhancing drugs (e.g., steroids)
@@helsbelsss PED stands for performance enhancing drugs
Performance Enhancing Drugs @@helsbelsss
@@helsbelsssperformance enhancing drugs
13:03 to be fair, Finneas said that SPECIFICALLY about the first LP. He's more than happy to talk about using pitch correction on other things they've done.
For me, the harmonies sound uncanny. Too perfect. Even trained musicians have a slight waver to one side or the other, and this just sounds to perfect.
@zombies.in.space.exactly, you can just hear the very electronic like voices 💀
They're also not correct. Fretless instruments, the voice technically being one of them, play certain notes a little higher or lower to go with the tension and release of the harmony. Like in a V-I the 7 should be a little higher, and it sounds more exciting too. It's wild to me that these kids think this legit sounds better edited to bits, even beyond that robot effect.
You can really hear it as they switch notes, hold a note for a long time, or during the harmonies
@@OnceUponReddit So what youre saying is its very noticeable all the time😅
@@mathiasstrom7790 haha basically
It’s so weird, because they’re all actually so talented, like they don’t need to make it *perfect*, they’re good without it
This is what people need to realize! They are actually great singers! People are using this to justify calling them talentless but nah folks. These people can SING. You can't sing like shit and make it sound this good with any tech
Exactly. Imo it doesn't add anything but rather takes away from their natural great human voices with personality.
Just like how filters are in selfies.
@@artiepov512 so their voices suck and sound nothing like that?
@@amavasya5884Yes you can sing like shit and sound like that with autotune, it's literally why it was made! 😂
My favorite part of this video is how realistic the background is
I feel that so hard. My unpacked moving boxes made it months in my bedroom 😂
@@lerat5978exaclty 😂 it’s so nice to see a TH-camr that keeps it real
@@lerat5978 except for her bilocation popping out of the back door
The boxes are probably staged... to look like not to care 😂
It's definitely not a backdrop and she doesn't try to climb onto anything 🙏
1:03 me in my room at 3am
Relatable but no comment? ALSO L PROFILE PIC?
@Yin_Yang-Dao yas, I will catch Kira.
Fr
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fr lol
The auto-tune became really apparent with Take Me To Church. That song has a lot of embellishments and you hear the auto-tune "correct" them in real time. imo that's one of the few songs you don't ever want to auto-tune in an arrangement.
It also has a lot of between notes (idk what you call it) like it doesn't go straight from a f# t D, not staccato, but your voice has to adjust up to it so the wav would have kinda curves on them
It should be a crime 👿
Take me to church is one of my favorite songs of all time. I've listened to it no less than 400 times and I RECOILED when I heard it because it sounds so flat and lifeless. Take Me to church is Not a song to autotune.
@@julianlaresch6266 what you described are called embellishments. so yes, you are correct
@@xAxCx I think he rather means things like sliding up or down to a note, where there's moments when you are in between pitches.
"we don't use pitch correction, we only do it a million times to get it perfect" was SUCH a read lmfao
"Of course its authentic, it's made with real vocals"
"Try our new Mac and Cheese pasta authentico! Made with real cheese!" Kind of vibes LMAO@@TAP7a
Personally I think tik tok is ruining music. There are song a I just refuse to listen to because I've heard the same sound bite so many times I hate it.
Btw one of their channels is called @Jonathantikinoffical
If you wanna drag their existence their channel is called @Jonathantikitofficial
The reason we "can tell", is because we expect slight incorrections but don't get any.
It's the same reason many people easily see double spaces in texts because you just expect single spaces - just reverse.
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it's the voice equivalent of Uncanny Valley effect
The slight imperfections are what make it sound real, it adds the humanity, the grit, the heart and soul. I really started to notice autotune when listening to certain artists that sound awesome live, but the studio versions sound comparatively lifeless. Like, you'd never want an autotuned version of Bob Dylan or Johnny Cash or Freddy Mercury.
The fact that they purposefully tried so hard to make it look spontaneous (guy with hands in his pockets, another holding a coffee mug, and the other claiming around) is what made it so cringe.
The worst thing about these kitchen guys is - like you said - that they sell doctored footage as genuine. They are the singer equivalent of instagram models who tune their pics to hell and back.
Even if you immediately catch that their performance cannot be genuine, you still feel like you are a failed singer because you can't hit those notes a juicily as they did. Even worse for people who don't know anything about music production.
True dat! Seriously!!!!!
@@poptartbarbie Then you should expect to be exposed and criticize on tiktok as well. Don't expect people to not dunk on you.
You do know that AutoTune does nothing for people that can't sing? They still must have insane voices to make it sound like that.
@@MarcoEH this is only partially true. They only have to be able to hit the pitch, but they don’t have to have “insane voices” like you said
@@WilshaffnerYou kinda do have to be really good. There's a lot that goes into sounding good besides just pitch, and like you say you need pretty decent pitch to sound good autotuned anyway. That said, nobody is saying these guys aren't great singers, it's just they are dishonest, and as stated in the video, just use pitch correction really poorly.
Professional SCHOOL TRAINED musician here ™️©️®️ and it’s incredibly obvious it’s autotune. Another thing is that such egregious use autotune flattens or removes a lot of the little beautiful imperfections of our voices. One of those dudes hit a sick harsh note with some fry, and all emotion was just lost
Thank you for studying music amd keeping stuff real in a world thats quickly transforming
It's not even just voices, the loudness wars mean that this happens to instruments and essentially all parts of every song
EXACTLY! Those overly-polished notes remove any ounce of human emotion in them. I always think an imperfect voice is better (just so long as the person with an “imperfect” voice can actually sing).
I’m also a SCHOOL TRAINED audio engineer here and yeah these guys are trash. I mean like that girl Natalie climbing on all that shit like a cat I’ve been running across her TikTok’s for a year or so and man… she really really and I mean REALLY tried to sell that shit. But as much as they go for the visuals after throwing auto tune /melodyne they fuck up on the littlest rookie shit like little splices in the audio and you can hear artifacts in there too. Idk what they tryna do but they can’t fool me it looks stupid 😂
if you're talking about the first clip, the guy in the middle I am almost positive is Darren Chris from Glee and he can do some pretty awesome work
also can we talk about “vocal coaches” on youtube who react to these people????? and they say nothing about autotune. it just perpetuates the lie and makes other singers feel bad
On point! I mean...the masters were really fooled by edited products...😃
"Vocal coaches" on yt are really just people who just learn to sing themselves. Basically like "life coaches" who barely get their life together and now want to teach others lmao
I have as much disdain for those videos as I do the ones titled "musician reacts to hearing [popular thing that often is decades old] for the first time". Reaction videos are some of the laziest things on TH-cam but these people have to add lying to the mix.
@@LuisGustavoSOit's true. And that goes for almost all, "X profession reacts." If they were really any good at what they do, they would be doing it on a professional level instead of doing TH-cam. There are a few who are legit, like the music director for the Seattle Seahawks (drumrolltony) but he's an exception to the rule.
@@joustingkingcheck out drumrolltony. He's the only person I think does it well. Because he literally infuses his professional experience to the music he listens to. He obviously does not need to TH-cam (he's the music director for a literal NFL band). Seeing someone at the top of their game, instead of some amateur, break down popular music in real time is great stuff. It's not just, "oooh that was great! I feel something!" He talks about techniques in a way that musicians appreciate. At least I do haha.
I'm glad I found your video. I really noticed the lies in the videos and I even commented to my sister about people who record themselves with a cup of coffee in their hands, pretending they were doing something and decided to stop to record, when in fact all of this had been planned for a long time.
Singing teacher here! I only start my comment like that to tell you that my job is to encourage, support and educate young singers on topics a lot like what you're talking about. I sniffed out these kitchen singers much like you did and I am sitting here nodding like "this woman frigging knows what's up." You are SO RIGHT. Don't pretend this is off the cuff. They need to report to everyone that it's heavily edited. Listeners are getting too used to "perfect" vocals and it really messes with people learning to sing because they feel like they can't meet the standard that a computer is trying to create. On many social media platforms you have to disclose that you are using AI for an image or video...time to start calling out singers too. You should have to disclose if vocals are edited or actually raw. Like you said, no shame in using auto-tune but don't tell us it's live when it's not.
I'm also a singing teacher, and I agree with everything you said. I'm all about building singers up, and fixed vocals like these are part of the problem. The constant bombardment of robotically perfect vocals is making singers expect to produce a non-producible sounds. It makes me sad that people can't hear the *robot* in stuff like this, because to me it is so clear, and it sucks the soul out of everything. And I'm all about using subtle correction, or using autotune to achieve a certain sound, but lets put the soul back in singing. Singing is supposed to be emotional. It's okay when voices crack, or go a little off pitch, or any other "imperfect" thing.
@@jamie_lou teacher here. "It's okay when voices crack, or go a little off pitch, or any other "imperfect" thing." AMEN!!!!!!! That's it. Keep it real people.
Thank you.
As a guy who loves singing i often come across natural talents who can sing way better then alot of Singing Teacher. But i´m assuming a singing teacher is nothing you need certification for and is probably a step under vocal coach?!
@@bamfyfe singing teachers and vocal coaches are the same thing. When I tell non-singers I'm a vocal coach, sometimes they think I am a speech therapist or something, so "Singing teacher" is what I say sometimes to keep it less confusing. And I suppose it's true that you don't need certification to teach voice, or to be any other type of music teacher. However, if you didn't know what you were talking about and didn't help people become better singers (or guitarists, or pianists, or violinists or whatever you teach), I doubt you would have any students. All singing teachers/vocal coaches I know have extensive vocal training.
The fun thing is, the human ear prefers imperfections in music. I don't mean music that sounds terrible, but little imperfections that you almost can't hear. If it sounds too perfect, it will start to feel uncanny. Same reason most people prefer the sound of LP records, instead of digital.
Exactly, and it’s the reason why live music sounds so much better than an album track. I think this is also true for other things, most people would prefer homemade food that’s imperfect and different with each bite as opposed to a consistent mass manufactured food product. Variation and expression is a wonderful thing.
@@CosmicBrain21 I completely agree with you! It's the thing that makes us human ^^
Yes, because otherwise it lacks soul…
I feel like everyone grows into it. As a kid it didn’t bother me but one day I woke up and things sounded more nuanced.
Not to name drop but this is the reason I can’t stand listening to artists like jacob collier where everything sounds so perfect and refined. Like I recognize the talent but it sounds like music made for a music class instead of something made with emotion.
In general, let things be imperfect!
not the vibrato looking like a perfect sine wave
he said y=sinx
y=mx+c
Sin
@@oneproplanet Yes, you're correct in that the function is appreciated "sin", similar to how cosine is abbreviated "cos". However, the full name of the sinusoidal wave is sine! Hope this helps :)
abbreviated* not appreciated haha
Thank you for clarifying that Auto-Tune is just one of many Pitch Correction tools.
The Band-Aid effect really stuck on that one.
I’ve been looking for somebody to talk about this crap. The fake-casual “oh I’m just so passionate about singing , definitely not staging something to stroke my ego” has been PISSING ME OFF and I needed to see somebody call it out
Even with no pitch correction involved, I kinda hate when people keep randomly singing in situations that don't call for it. Somehow it ALWAYS feels like they are just trying to show off, and it comes off as obnoxious to me
Bruh i thought they genuinely have a good singing voice, never thought it could be autotune😢
No fr they way they move their hands and bodies is so overdramatic like even singers don't do that shit as much. And the crawling on the counter like seriously what the fuck is this middle school theater class bs
@@whydoimevenhereThey are all great singers. Everyone uses a degree of pitch correction these days, they just use it poorly, and try to pass it off as natural... That's the issue.
@@Mejoree113 Agreed, it’s not that they can’t sing, it’s that the reason why they’re singing with the covert pitch correction in casual looking settings is to show off as an ego stroke and get amazed reactions, but still pretend that it’s just off the cuff heartfelt passion so they don’t look desperate. They’re seeking attention and praise but they don’t want to LOOK like they’re seeking attention and praise
I’m an audio engineer and producer who works with these tools every day. This is the best video on this topic I’ve seen outside of audio nerd channels. I was waiting the entire video for something to disagree with (which would have been ok), and I found nothing. Thanks for making a great video I can send to the non audio nerds in my life lol.
EXACTLY. Well said; it’s accessible info for most people and she does a great job talking about why it’s so freaking annoying and not helpful
If you're an audio engineer and producer, wouldn't you realize that most of the folks she has a problem with in this video undeniably have good voices even BEFORE the pitch correcting? You can only make a terrible singer sound in tune with these tools; you can't necessarily make them sound pleasant. Even in her example where she sung terribly and "fixed" it, even after it was fixed it didn't sound good. The HUGE missing piece in this video is that most of these people actually are great singers who use pitch correcting for complete perfection. Even if that's "a lie," they are still great singers. I think a lot of humans just love to tear down the folks around them who have more talent.
@@amavasya5884 yea I never said they weren’t good singers and she made very clear in her video that these people are good singers too.
@@amavasya5884well said!!
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Right after she does the bad singing and corrects it (at 14:25) she literally says you need to have singing ability to make pitch correction work, and then goes on to do another example where she sings well and finishes it off with Melodyne to demonstrate what the people she uses as examples are doing, and at 16:20 she points out that they're probably talented but that the fake spontaneity is disingenuous at best.
I get that all our attention spans are fried by short form content but did you not finish the video before rushing to the comments?
This actually blew my mind. I really didn't know this was a thing. Thank you. This is so important for young people with social media to know. Being fake on the internet doesn't just extend to appearances. And I agree, the issue isn't auto tune. It's the staging and just deceptiveness behind it all.
On point!
You assumed Tik Tok was real life?
This comment reminded me of the weird dichotomy between the generations in that the older generations don't understand the applications, though they understand the technology, while the younger generations understand the applications, though they don't understand the technology. My generation is somewhere in the middle of the two, and it's wild, I can tell you that.
Pitch correction is pretty crazy now a days. It can be setup live too, so you can pitch correct on the fly.
This is exactly why I’m concerned for this generation. 90% OF WHAT YOU SEE IS FAKE.
Their vibrato sounds like a MuseScore trill
I was gonna comment about the Gunnar guys vibrato
it feels super forced, to clarify i mean they probably did sing it irl but not correctly, but i wouldn't put it past anyone to just edit it in
LMFAOOOOOO
DAMN
5:39 took me a second to realize the visual gag was that you were the piano player shunned to a separate room, and that edit wasn't just some random easter egg.
I love this😭😭 definitely freaked me out for a second at first as well😅😭
Thank you
i didnt realised
scared the shit outta me omg 😭😭😭😭😭😭
wait THAT was the gag??? i just thought it was gabi messing around with visual tricks and wanting to show it to uss!! thats so funny!
yeah I was really confused until I read this. Thank you
1:09 "She's really good" like Demi Lovato in Camp Rock LMAAAAAAOOOOO 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Rewatched this exact spot 3 times cuz omg comedy
It definitely made me cackle out loud in my car 😅
Made me both gasp and cackle 🤭😂
yeah well done…
5:57 that _raw_ gave me goosebumps
100% agree, much like Photoshop: great tool, but presenting doctored images as "realistic" normalizes _flawless_ faces & bodies; in reality even models/actors get blemishes or a bit of cellulite. I wish I'd known that as a teen. See also: "totally natural" athletes who are clearly juicing. Great video!
This is a really great comparison
This. I was thinking about this during the whole video. There's no shame in people getting cosmetic surgery or just using digital tools or makeup to achieve a look, but pretending you didn't do it is the problem, and it's especially obvious when not done well.
Always ask yourself “what is being sold to me as I watch this & why?”
A friend of mine who has done a lot of social media marketing work said to me once: people don’t hate being sold to, people hate being lied to.
100%.
It's the lying that irritates me.
Be it a "fitness influencer who pretends he's all natural, or a vocal or guitar performance presented as 'live" when it's a heavily edited and processed recording.
I don't care that either of those two things exist.
But don't lie to me and present them as real.
Ooo I love this quote. I used to be anti-salesy anything until I WAS a phone salesman and was trained to actually reveal and talk about real value as honestly as possible. I had dishonest colleagues who ended up getting fired and had bad performance.
Don’t tell the single guy moving into his first apartment that he *needs* a landline phone with his Internet for $30 more or implying that 3000kilobit wifi is FAST when it’s really the same thing as 3megs and is slower than any data plan.
People love hearing good truths. “Yeah for 4k streaming, you need at the very least 25-50mbps, but really you should get a 500mbps plan because you have 3 people in the home, multiple devices will lower it overall, and preventing that headache only costs $10 more.”
Good sales / marketing is so nice when it actually provides you with something you want that costs less than you’re willing to pay. Oh yeah baby. (Do I want to get back into sales now? Lmao)
I asked my mother in law about why her students in middle school choir sound so nasally and annoying. She attributed it to the over-use of autotune on the Internet, and told me she actively has to try and call them on it, but they all still try to sound like it.
That's pretty dumb. Why would autotune make them sound nasaly? Nasal singing occurs when the soft palate, or vellum, is lowered, allowing air to escape through the nasal cavity. Nothing to do with autotune
@@RonnyDoployeah but they’re trying to learn off of autotune, and not a real singer. That can become a genuine issue
@@That1Guy112 I don't see how though. The way autotune is used subtly in most music, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
@@RonnyDoploThese autotuned people are incredibly straight-toned (and also singing and belting incredibly high) for the most part because of the autotune. As an undeveloped teenage voice, I would theorize that the easiest way to imitate that tone and style is unhealthily using a lot of nasal tonality.
i won't lie, it is really really fun to mimic the sound of auto tune lol i sing along with "the 90's" by finneas eilish to just do that
1:34 I'm in a college choir and this word has plagued me. My director is always saying things like, "You're ten cents flat" or "You're so under pitch that this flat piano sounds in tune." or "I need a C natural by 10 cents sharp." Also I literally can't stand auto tune. It's so boring to me. Yay we can sing notes and create simple harmonies!!! So Fun!!!!! Girl I want raw voices please. That's what makes music interesting. It's the raw human voice and all it's different variants. Yes I may be training to be a professional in classical singing, but singing isn't just about auto tune or operatic voices. Theres so much more. It pains me to see people doing things like this because it's so base line and bland. There is so much more that gets over looked :/
a good example of live autotune and vocal effects is 100 gecs. at their live shows laura and dylan are constantly switching bewteen different microphones, sometimes holding two at once, that are connected to the mixing console (i forget the actual term) running different effects chains on each. the way they use the effects is part of their appeal, so nobody has a problem with it (plus both are genuinely good musicians)
They’re called CDJs! And hell yeah!
The Gecs are GOATed
Yesss love them sm
dude i fucking love dylan brady
they’re so fun live
I think I literally gaslighted myself into believing these videos are real. When I first saw this guy, I was like "Yeah nah, that's heavily autotuned."
But as I saw more and more of his videos I started thinking "No way he edits his vocals that heavily in every single video, right? I'm probably just jealous, because I can't hit those notes this perfectly."
People tend to think other people think the way they do. So it makes sense, because to you, and every other naive believer, that level of dedication to a bold face lie is ridiculous and unnecessary.
Same here. 🤦🏼♀️ I’m often frustrated feeling like my control and technique etc must just be so lacking and that’s why I can’t execute “perfect” notes, and they’re just that good.
Just remember that some people will do anything when they are desperate for views.They’ll abandon morals and ethics for that influencer money.Its not surprising that they spend a few hours editing a 15 second clip.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
@@FaithinChrist3xTrue, I once tried to photoshop my face, one picture takes three hours, and I wonder if I do that to every picture how much time will left for eat, sh’t and sleep, then I gave up selfies as a whole.
autotune vocals sound so emotionless because the slight variation in vibrations of the voice adds so much emotion to it
the breathiness when it gets emotional, the stringiness and cracking when hitting high notes for too long
exactly. it gives character to the sound and makes it much more exiting. the slight imperfections are the thing that makes a voice touching and emotional to me.
Vocaloids have more emotion than autotune vocals
For real. I love growling angry or devastating locals, or getting really soft and whispering. I'm nowhere near even a good singer, but at least I can let my emotions play
@@pacoliebling vibin with the 🤘s and the🤙s
I love your energy and personality. The realness of you and your surroundings is so refreshing and encouraging
those melodyne files literally look like barely tuned vocaloid files 😭😭😭 i’ve tuned vocaloids less robotic than that and they’re trying to pull a fast one 💀💀💀
THATS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING 😭😭
Thank you. It’s like body modifications- there’s nothing wrong with doing whatever you want to your body. But pretending it’s natural is damaging in that it sets unrealistic beauty standards.
I forgot body mod includes lip fillers and such and genuinely had a second of "people are pretending piercings are natural?"
I forgot body mod includes lip fillers and such and genuinely had a second of "people are pretending piercings are natural?"
@@aud7593yeah me too. Fillers fall into "plastic surgery" or whatever for me. mods is tattos and piercings
So you want people to tell you what surgeries they had every time they talk to you or want them to write it on the caption for every picture they take? This comparison is terrible
@@PalitoSelvaticothey're talking about people who are being dishonest, when I post a picture of myself and I've used a filter to emphasize the shadows around my cheeks, that isn't setting and unrealistic standard. If I were an influencer who made a living off of my appearance and routinely sold a reality that wasn't true, it would be a wildly different situation.
I think knowing all of this shows just how talented Broadway singers are and how they are just in another league when it comes to their singing prowess. They just sound amazing naturally even when performing entire dance routines. I feel like the rise of hiding the use of autotune diminishes just how hard they work to sound that amazing because people are just so used to seeing "candid" performances which are actually just autotuned.
Ngl they also use auto tune during many live performances I’m not gonna say they do on broadway because I don’t know for sure but auto tune for live shows does exist
@@alyssamarescalco1431 another common live tactic (again, not sure if Broadway uses it but I know for example BTS does) is sidechain compressing the live mic to a prerecorded vocal track so the singer can decide what lines they want to sing and which ones they want to lipsync to.
I read an interview with Idina Menzel (Rent, Wicked, early 2000s Broadway musical icon) from many years ago and she claimed that on a really good day, she’d hit something like 60% of her notes correctly.
I think between the energy of a live theater performance and the backing music, and considering you can’t rewind and go “wait, what was that” you’re just not as likely to notice something wrong as long as most of it is right
@@thehousecat93 My sister has been doing theater, sometimes musicals, for several years at this point and I'll oftentimes see more than one performance per show with different groups (family on one night, friends on another, just the immediate family on opening night) and there have been so many times when I'll only catch mistakes because it's my third time seeing it, but otherwise I wouldn't have noticed. And sometimes an actor will just never get it right and I only know that because my sister told me afterwards, but they either recovered or just ran with it so well that it felt like it was supposed to happen. So, yeah, that's just part of live performances.
You can autotune a live signal. Lots of churches do it.
I have to thank you for this video. Sincerely. I’ve been a singer professionally for 11 years. I’m not really a technology geek though, and I’ve been asking myself how they do this. I tried and tried to record myself with my phone and never ever hearing myself like that, I’ve always asked “How, and why did I not sound like that.”
This video is so healing. 🙏🏻
the variations in people’s voices while they’re harmonizing is part of what makes harmonies so rich and satisfying, idk why they would want to get rid of all of those deviations. it’s why choirs are so satisfying to listen to. whenever i’m doing layered harmonies in a song, i don’t do any editing so i can keep that same feeling of a full
choir
One problem I have with pitch correction ESPECIALLY in a choir setting is that it's often...less perfect. It's one thing to tweak notes that were sung slightly off pitch, but not all chords should be locked into equal temperament by software.
Really good choral groups will intentionally sing some chords with intervals that line up with the overtone series (equal temperament approximates the overtone series, but some intervals like the major third deviate quite a bit). This tuning is also one of the things that gives barbershop singing its characteristic ring.
I wonder if this is the thing you're noticing that's missing in autotuned harmony.
I guess I should also add that I really don't mind a lot of the uses for pitch correction - it's just one of the many tools in modern music production. But it can really take the life out of certain types of music.
I've worked for a sound design company that auto-tuned songs for a major production company (rhymes with pissney), and we were specifically instructed not to auto-tune the choir parts too heavily because it can easily sound off, unnatural and phase-y since you don't get the *chorus* effect from a choir when everything is pitch perfect. It's interesting that a similar video hasn't been made about the culture of pitch-correction in children's cartoons and the like since auto-tune is also heavily used here... but I guess that's the difference between amateurs and pros. Pros know when to dial it back so that it's juuust unnoticeable enough for a general audience.
Yes. The people in these videos sound horrible. Thinking this sounds good is insane to me.
@@Ojja78Agreed. They sound "clearly talented", in a way that kind of makes you hear what "should have been", instead of "what was"; but, it's just too annoying, knowing what "should have been" got replaced by unnecessary editing.
18:50
Theres even evidence to suggest for Beauty and the Beast that they were splicing together both the on-set recordings and studio recordings depending on the situation. That movie is a mass of digital audio spaghetti.
Legit sounds like she's singing out of a tin can in theaters
What’s so sad is that she could actually sing but they didn’t feel like going through the effort to properly record her singing live without background noise. She’d been taking voice lessons and everything and was pretty upset when she saw the finished project. Now everyone thinks she can’t sing
Not to mention the fact that the whole film production and editing was a total nightmare. Oh and the glitched dress……
These TikTok videos are like reality tv… presented as unabridged and candid when even a brief analysis will reveal that it is carefully constructed to only appear that way.
Hey, what are you doing here?! See you on the other side.
They're VERY often making a coffee or holding some sort of drink to make it seem sooooo caaaaasual
Poetry 😂
Great description. I know that I will need to heavily counsel my daughters (when they're old enough) about Photoshop and auto tune and impress upon them that a lot of what they see online/TV is at least a half truth if not an outright lie. I may even go so far as actually restricting their access to image heavy social media (like Instagram) and platforms that are strictly short video format to an extent because I think they're incredibly bad for anyone's mental health.
I personally do not have an instagram and I do not have TikTok. Yes, it means I miss out on certain things, but I think doomscrolling and looking at people who are- or who do a convincing job of pretending they are- the most effortlessly beautiful, talented, sexy, fittest, etc that the world has to offer is just flat out bad for anyone's mental health. I don't only think it, it's a subjective truth. Studies have shown again and again that even moderate repeated exposure to image heavy social media negatively impacts one's self esteem and impacts one's perception of self.
@@loveoverfearalwaysLMAO, yes, so relaxed and effortlessly talented they just filmed it on the fly. They were so in the moment they didn't even set anything down or put a shirt on over their bra
1:34 Super Mario 64 Coin sound fx
It’s the Glee effect.
“What’s the Glee effect?”
I’m so glad you asked:
The creative team behind Glee took the time out of their lives cast singers who could perform at an extremely high level on the material they were given. And then they still put all of their voices through a computer, isolated the pitches so that there are no harmonics in the sound, and applied pitch correction. The result was an uncanny valley-esque approximation of singing. I understand if you need to do it for someone cast in a movie musical who isn’t a strong singer, but to do it to a cast full of very capable people is wild.
I love glee. I didn't know they did this. Oh wow :0. Thanks for educating me
@@FanGurl4TY you can assume everyone who sings on television has been heavily edited. Even "reality" singing shows. So much is fake nowadays.
The uncanny valley effect is because they used studio recordings when singing and didn't record the performances live on set.
Bad, or even mediocre, singers would not reach the level of the Glee singers even with heavy edits.
Can you link the video?
What an accurate apreciation. I love Glee and the songs, but I can't tolerate the way they edited voices, I mean, the cast was formed up of really good singers, was the edition necessary? Amber Riley has an amazing voice, but in the show she sounded too "perfect" that it's annoying.
It’s not just vocalists, but drummers, bass players, guitarists etc. Sooo many social media musicians are just miming and no one talks about it. For me, it’s the same as claiming to speed run a game but actually splicing multiple videos together.
Even when splicing you still have to do the segments as fast as possible
Here it is not even that minimal effort
@@andresmartinezramos7513 it actually is, you have to be somewhat on the actual note. so obviously their singing isnt that perfect but they still have to try.
@@andresmartinezramos7513 eh, in speed running there is a much bigger competition aspect than in music. It's more ok to use pitch correction than splicing because splicing is used to actually get to the top of leaderboards and win competitions. Also pitch correction is commonplace and widely accepted
Most people don't have a setup capable of recording good video and audio at the same time
You gives hobbies too much moral compass. Go find something real worth being passionate about.
It's like saying "I am a natural beauty and NEVER put on makeup", while getting aesthetic procedures every other week
many such cases
Some of those makeup tutorials are downright frightening too. It's like "watch as we transform grendel the witch that eats children's souls, into gal gadot, using only the power of 500 dollars worth of makeup."
Or those perfect bodies achieved with plastic surgery?
I'm a natural beauty who never wears makeup... I look like Chewbacca's cute sister, but I am real.
Or the software available to make a girl look really pretty on phone chat. It's fake and dishonest.
I’ve studied music my entire life and I get so mad about all the autotune used in videos and movies. Like the live action beauty and the beast, I got so much shit from my family for saying it was auto tuned until I showed them proof.
I am so glad you brought up Emma Watson's autotune in Beauty in the Beast. Yes, I'm a musician and mix engineer, but the fact that all my non-musician friends call me nuts or a hater for hearing "autotune that isn't there!" was still frustrating for years.
I can imagine the frustration brother, but you are the one with experience and the ear so their clearly uninformed opinions shouldn't really matter tbh.
I know that what shouldnt bother you often does and im very familiar with that believe me lol
It annoys me that talented and hard working people are told they suck by people who have zero clue about what the fuck they are talking about.
Probably they didnt hear the autotune because its absolutely everywhere, its so common that I instantly notice a song without pitch correction, it helps that im a musician and a professional neighbour annoyer ie wannabe singer. I have a pretty sensitive ear for pitch so pitch correction stands out like a sore thumb to me.
Sayin this I dont mean I have perfect pitch and I dont pretend that im a great musician just for this reason, im pretty damn mid in all aspects of music but I know that thats one of my strong points so I use it to my advantage.
Most people have unfortunately become consumers, they exist only to buy and produce so the human aspect that makes music music is slowly being lost in a sea of mediocre, soft and corporate drivel.
Sorry if I sound like a dick but I cant be bothered to fake being okay with this bullshit
I love emma didnt expect her to be the best singer but the autotune was so damn obvious it felt like they did her voice a disservice and its not like Emma had a unpleasant voice
Reminds me of how much they hyped up Les Miserables with all the singing "live" while they recorded it, then all the clips they showed were auto-tuned like crazy. That's why I refused to see the movie, I'd rather watch someone do it actually live.
@@theoutsiderjess1869 i have no idea why disney of all companies weren't prepared to just fork out for some singing lessons for her?? she has a pretty voice from what i can tell & it seems like they just let her walk into the studio with no experience, perform inadequately & then autotune her to death.
@@dracobengali disagree, a LOT of the performances in les mis were very bad *because* of the stupid recording live thing (v bad idea in a film studio) combined with dehydration, not preparing anyone, making them sing for hours at a time etc. there is a great sideways video on it
BRO. As a professional vocalist this type of content has been the BANE of my existence for YEARS. I remember feeling horrible about my personal progress when I heard these tiktok kids for The first time, (even though I was still really good in person) and only realized it was HEAVILY edited once I started learning more about mixing and stuff. I’ve been pointing this shit out to friends for YEARS.
As someone who recently got back into singing after taking 7 years off, it is BRUTAL to compare yourself. This video randomly popped up for me and all of the sudden I was like, I fully just didn’t think about TikTokers using autotune. It makes so much sense now that I am actively listening to the recordings 😂
Most aren't lol❤
I AM SO GLAD you covered exactly these videos. The way they act so extra and "passionate" and "shocked" at their own skill? Triggered my every organ so badly. I hate it so much.
Seeing how they are actually just making a fool out of themselves... makes my day
Imagine having such strong emotions about a random person on the internet. What a waste of energy.
@@Jebble347 to be fair, they appear on my feed, I look at is for maybe 5 sec, get annoyed and move on. Thing is, no matter how often I would press the "not interested" option or the dislike button or whatever else there is. They keeeeeep showing up.
Besides, everyone has this thing that triggers them to their core. For everyone it is something different. For me it's fake behavior. So I guess that would explain it! :)
* also I am dealing with depression and thus am at home all day. At the moment I got nothing better to do than get irritated by things that annoy me lol. It triggers much quicker now too
@@CrackerDipStill a lot of energy to waste on something you dislike. If a video like that triggers you this much, seek professional help :).
@@Jebble347 bruh.
@@CrackerDipJebble must use autotune.
2:11 “I hope you remembered to take notes, because there 👹WILL👹 be a quiz on Friday”
I really appreciate the explanation; like i can hear something artificial, "metalic" but its super useful to know what it is that im hearing
Metallic is perfect!
"Metallic" is exactly the descriptor I'd use, too.
Autotune is absolute cancer. I never thought it sounded good just robotic. The point of making mistakes is to get better not to fix it artificially with a program.
I remember YEARS ago I had an argument with my friends about having Emma Watson in the live version of Beauty and the Beast. I told them how she’s an actor, not a singer and sounds robotic with a lot of auto tune. They argued back that I was wrong. Well, you just made me feel seen :’)
That entire movie was an atrocity aside from LeFou
It was bad…
@@courtneyr6645 and Audra McDonald,my fa! She sang the aria for the Prince's party. Cant believe they had THE Audra and she only sang 1 short song 😂 Yeah they saved the soundtrack
I love that movie so much but the awful autotune really pulls me out of it 💀
I thought it sounded pretty BUT I knew it wasn't real 😅
This is annoying in the same way influencers have plastic surgery and don’t admit it, or nepo babies having opportunities others don’t have but also don’t admit it. Personally, I think it’s the lack of recognizing “Yeah I use it so what” and honestly that’s better than someone acting like it’s natural.
I think people as a whole are obsessed with obtaining something or having something naturally. For example; having a pretty face, body, voice, literally almost everything. If it's not naturally obtained then it's not good, or something frowned upon.
@@musto8071Part of the issue is the lying. It creates very unrealistic and downright unattainable standards. Kids are seeing this stuff and feeling like crap because they don't have the body or the voice or the life of strangers, but even those strangers don't have those things!! We're bringing up generations of people who are being duped and now have a distorted reality. It should be clear to see why that's not good.
Kids are going to grow up with AI- nothing will be obviously fake anymore
Remember when we found out T-Pain could sing without auto tune and he made amazing jokes about it 😂 it was sort of his thing at the time and people didn’t mind because he didn’t run from it and pretend he didn’t use auto tune
This was really educational for someone who knows nothing about music, thank you!
I also learned that I do not have an ear for music AT ALL since none of the examples sounded bad/edited to me 😬
for me as a vocalist, when I see these videos -regardless of knowing its been edited- it affects my self esteem about my talent/craft in the same way that magazine covers affects body image
Me too, I have wasted a lot of time being dispirited by comparing my voice to others not realising they used pitch correction software. So much wasted time!!
SAME 😭😭😭
Sssaaaame. I'm like well damn I suck. I'll just give up
Try being mentally stronger.
Same. And so I keep recording and recording myself until I sound good enough, and it's never perfect. So frustrating.
To be fair with the guitar thing, hitting a crazy move on an instrument that you’ve been trying to hit for like 2 hours does shock you right when you think you should give up and it’s impossible
Yeah, as a singer myself, sometimes I decide to go for a note without knowing what's gonna happen, and when it happens, it's like *oh shit I just did that*
Same with runs sometimes
But ofc, those moments usually aren't caught on a clearly pre-set-up camera in a random parking garage
And I know you know that, I'm not disagreeing, for sure, but still
@juliasings6131 couldn't you just basically always practice in front of a camera and catch some organic moments that way?
Edit: typo
@@msjkramey theoretically, yeah, you could
Although I don't see why you'd regularly be going out to a random parking garage to get your daily practice in
@@juliasings6131 the runs usually takes me by surprise too.
@@juliasings6131the acoustics are probably really nice there tbf
this is like facetune for voices. i feel like once these people start, they probably wont be able to stop because all they hear is the imperfections in their voices to the point that they wont feel comfortable posting their real voices
Vocal dysmorphia
@@HolyCodztaI identify as one of the Righteous bros.
Respect my falsetto, you cis white soprano.
@@twosharksinatrenchcoat lol
Autotune was made ages before facetune, so it’s backwards. Facetune is the autotune for faces
I can’t help but think of the talent show where the contestant called out a pop singer for using autotune and she had nothing to say and Simon Cowell just laughed.
Honestly, I'm SO glad you recorded this rant. It has boosted my confidence SO much, bc I'm usually very hesitant to post raw covers on my SPAM ACCOUNT.
I appreciate anyone that posts raw singing. It's so much more sincere and authentic. It's what real people sound like.
A lot of the tiktok singers definitely affected my confidence in my voice, so I appreciate you calling this out
Low-key same. But I just figured I'm not good😂 I'm the problem it's me 🎶
Stuff like this sucks because it’s slowly raising the vocal performance standards in the music industry.
I’ve had people tell me the music I like is bad because the singers can’t sing. When in reality it’s just a raw vocal recordings with no pitch editing.
Use auto tune as a tool to innovate, not a crutch to mask the most minimal mistakes.
Yeah ive noticed people are used to everything being polished to perfection. I wonder if many great musicians from the past couldve made it in this era especially those with "non pretty" voices. People seem to prefer crap in a gold package than actual gold that might have a little dirt on it.
“crap in a gold package than actual gold that might have a little dirt on it” this is phrase is gold and I’m gonna use it now
I would argue that pitch correction is *lowering* standards in the music industry. Back in the day, you had to be really good to succeed. Now, not so much. I would be in favor of requiring a label on any music that uses any pitch correction. There are still a few holdouts who don't. Side note: Charlie Puth routinely uses (and admits using) autotune.
@@kevinsmith9899 Also a valid point. Auto tune is a lovely little hack to people who can’t actually sing, and don’t wanna practice to get better…
I wish the vocal standards in the industry would be raised. None of them can sing. Taylor swift’s popularity makes me crazy because she’s literally a singer. That’s literally her job. And she can’t. At all. It’s so embarrassing. She isn’t the only one, but she’s emblematic of a wider issue. Ariana just carrying all the pop girls on her back smh
Autotune aside, that harmony in the first video is NUTS, props to whoever wrote that